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Market Pumping! Are we back?!? TopeTalk Ep 53
Recorded: June 22, 2023 Duration: 1:19:19Space Recording
Full Transcription
Hey gang, how are you?
Yo, yo, what's up, John?
You need me to play music?
No, I got it, buddy.
There's nobody in here, but you and Dirty.
As soon as I see a couple people pop in, I'll launch it up.
Sweet.
And I might, if I have to redact, I'll let you know because Jordan is on right now with some of the devs.
So we're going to, me and him and Angela may still be meeting.
Okay, that's fine.
Enzo, if you retweet the room before me, I'll give you $100.
Oh, too late.
We love you, Captain D.
Falling to pieces
But I need this
Yeah, I need this
You're out for my weakness
When did you turn so cold?
You cut me down to the bone
Now you're dancing
Now you're dancing
All over my soul
I'm falling to pieces
To pieces
To pieces
But I still stay
Cause you're the only thing I know
So won't you take me
Oh, won't you take me home
Take me
Take me home
Take me home
You're my sweet affliction, cause you hurt me right, but you're doing nice, round in circles, here we go, yeah, but I still stay, cause you're the only thing I know.
So won't you take me home, won't you take me home, take me home, take me home.
So won't you take me home, won't you take me home.
Take me
Take me
I still
Take me
Take me
Take me
I wish I was younger, the fat kid with the big blue eyes full of wonder.
No shame, no fame, no worries like Kinga with football, without a care at all.
I wish I was younger, keepin' track of the lightning strikes and the thunder, barely 13, no hairy mouth made over the wall, doesn't matter if I fall, I wish I was younger.
I wish I was younger, Barbies and fashion shows with my brother, so clear, no fear, no bullies, I didn't even know, where did all that magic go?
I remember 3rd grade, new rollerblades, 4 foot 2, feelin' 10 foot 8, classic Mario, I remember charades, on my first date, working at the pool, barely ever getting paid.
I remember those days, I wish I was younger, gettin' high with my friends outside in the summer, never cool, never had a lot of money, but damn we had it all, we had it all, I wish I was younger.
I wish I was younger.
Butterflies in my chest when I asked for your number.
You smiled and said two words and I was gone.
You wrote it on my arm.
I swear he said don't be a lot.
Do you remember making out in a stand?
Showing a plane and getting kicked out of bed?
For Mr. Gap I never could understand.
Just take me back to who I was when I was younger.
Do you remember riding home in the rain?
That Sunday morning playing songs about Jane.
And from that moment I was never the same.
Just take me back to who I was when I was younger.
Just take me back to who I was when I was younger.
Just take me back to who I was when I was younger.
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And now, here's Crypto Chris G with Tope Talk.
What up, what up?
I'm here.
What's up, Sonny?
Thanks for being here, man.
From what I've heard so far, spaces have been a wreck today, so it might be low attendance.
We don't know.
People probably got fed up the last hour of not being able to see anything.
So, if any case, worst case, I mean, if anything, I'd love to, let's definitely dive into some stuff today.
And then next week, if you're available Thursday, man, we'd love to run it back with some more guests and stuff, too.
So, thanks for everyone being here.
And, yeah, thanks for the intro.
We've got Crypto Medic, our operations division behind the Metatope account today.
And we have Walker, executive vice president, and myself, director of partnerships.
So, thanks, everyone, for being here.
Sonny, man, what's going on?
Thanks for stopping by.
How's your legs today, by the way?
Man, a little sore.
A little sore for sure.
But thanks for having me.
I appreciate it.
Always a fun time to connect with other people in the space.
So, yeah, definitely excited to be here and talk and learn a little bit more and connect with all of you.
For sure, man.
For sure.
I saw a couple highlights of the hoops action.
Yeah.
You guys are ballers, and I'm afraid I don't think I want to go try that stuff.
I can barely dribble between my legs.
I mean, honestly, yeah.
I'm better at volleyball.
But, yeah.
So, hey, Walker, what's up, man?
Thanks for stopping in.
I appreciate everyone being here.
I wasn't sure I was going to be able to be honest.
But, Walker, thanks for being here.
I'd love to hear some market analysis and a little bit, too.
Yeah, man.
Of course.
I was actually just getting ready to post a tweet.
I'll put it up in a second.
But, dude, I mean, the technicals look beautiful.
You know, we've had some really, really strong fundamental catalysts over the past week,
regardless of how you view BlackRock, Fidelity, Charles Schwab, any of these big players.
And most of the time, you know, they come in, they manipulate, right?
They're in bed with the regulators.
We all know that.
But, I mean, it's really just a huge validation to the staying power of crypto.
And to really, like, what this asset class is going to mean to TradFi.
And really seeing this step in as a new sector, you know, to the larger economic development that we see in the world.
So, it's a beautiful day, man.
You know, we came down with Ethereum and Bitcoin.
Check out the daily on TradingView.
I highly, highly recommend for anybody that's in this space, you know, to just, like, start to get their toes wet if you haven't with just doing some simple technical analysis.
But, you know, really since, like, November of 22, we started making this, you know, this upper trend line.
And really getting into this strong technical pattern.
We pushed up past 2K with ETH.
We came back down and tested the bottom of that range just perfectly.
And how coincidental was it that the 200-day moving average was sitting right there on the line.
Also wound up almost perfectly on our .5 for the Fibonacci retracement.
So, just a ton of convergence.
Like, right at that $1,640 level for Ethereum.
I took a long there, made a head and shoulders pattern on the four-hour and inverse head and shoulders, excuse me.
We've broken out of that.
And now we have broken out of this upper trend line that we've been fighting really since April.
We've broken out.
We're closing the daily in an hour and 47 minutes.
And if this thing holds, I might just have to double down on my lungs.
So, it's a great day, man.
Everybody stay safe.
Always take your profits.
You can't go broke taking profits.
And get ready.
Because it really looks like we're back in to buy the dip season.
And, you know, but at the same time, right?
I mean, refer back to 2019 or almost any past cycle.
We get these big pumps.
And even in, you know, like a bullish scenario, there are quite frequently, you know, black swan events.
So, just make sure that you're prepared for that.
But I'm full back on, you know, buying the dip mode, which is really exciting.
And, yeah, boys, get ready to send it, ladies, as well.
Speaking of ladies, let's talk to Enzo.
I mean, what up, Enzo?
Hey, how's it going, everyone?
Dude, as most of you know, if you guys have followed along, I've told you guys that I stayed out of the market for the past, like, month and a half almost now.
But Walker's making me want to come back.
I'm not going to lie to you, dude.
You speak so positively of the price action going on right now.
So, I'm, like, tempted to just start at least just buying Ethereum.
I don't know if I'll ever get back into meme coins for this season, maybe next season.
But I'm very tempted to just start getting back into Ethereum at least.
Why would you ever, ever leave meme coins?
You are meme coins.
Meme coins are you, Enzo.
Dude, it was taking a really bad toll on my mental health.
I don't know why every single one I didn't go in went up.
Every single one I went in went down.
I was like, okay, it's just me.
It's a personal thing.
So, I just stepped away.
So, what you got to do is just do the opposite of what you feel.
You know?
Like, when you feel like, hey, that's not the one I want to go in.
That's the one, bro.
It's like Gary Gensler.
That's the one you want to be in.
The Gensler coin.
Enzo, it's not just you, man.
You know, it's an extremely tough market to trade, right?
And so, Enzo, I'll kind of tell you my piece on the meme coins in general.
This was the first cycle ever that I had purchased meme coins.
You know, like going into the Bayer, I started to accumulate a little bit of doge.
But outside of that, it was always extremely hard for me to trade meme coins
because what I found with my investments was that if I didn't have like a true conviction,
and for me, that conviction comes from, you know, like the fundamental
and like the long-term outlook of an asset, right?
Like, why is this going to be valuable like to society and to humanity?
And, you know, with meme coins, like that value proposition for me was really, really hard to understand.
And I mean, you know, if you look across the market, right, crypto is volatile enough.
You get into meme coins and, you know, 90, you know, plus out of 100 of these things, you know, just aren't going to make it.
So it's really difficult.
And I think it's a great learning experience.
And you hold a really strong message to help other investors of, you know,
where to put your time and your attention to ensure that that's being done in a sustainable way.
Now, you know, on the flip side of things, right, like why are meme coins so interesting and really like something that I want to continue to learn and trade in the future?
It's because like if you look at a regulated market or you look at a stock or really any type of equity, it's very sensible, right?
In a way that you can quantify the value that that asset is traded at by, you know, like a PE, you know, a ratio of how much revenue that company is generating per year.
You know, you go into Bitcoin, it gets a little more speculative, but there's still like really like strong, fundamental and quantifiable reasoning of why that asset is continuing to trade higher.
You move out on the risk scale right all the way out to meme coins.
And you now have this asset where there's legitimately no logic involved.
Right. Like I think I think that that is the precipice of a meme coin.
And so the opportunity that that offers potentially is just the most unreasonable upside, but also the downside that you can you can possibly imagine.
So, you know, I think that there's a place for them for some traders.
But hey, if it's not for you, let's stack up on the ease, baby, because she's still deflationary.
Yes, sir. It is.
Let's actually run into now that we have talked about some markets, talked about some meme coins.
Let's talk about youth athletics with Sonny, man.
Tell us, bro, how was the party or not? How was the party?
How was the competition between a bunch of MFers and crypto bros on the on the courts, man?
Any fouls take place? Was there any he did exchanges?
Did anybody get, you know, anybody put up like an NFT against each other?
A one on one action? Anything like that?
No, not of this one, no.
It was actually it was actually pretty cool.
I mean, definitely, definitely a good level of competition came out.
Others are like, obviously, all skill level.
I think the powerful part about it is just like being able to get on the court together.
And if even if you don't hoop that much or whatever, it's like a really cool place to just kind of bond as a community.
And there's a lot of conversations happening on the sideline and a lot of connections to be had in a kind of different type of environment.
So, yeah, I think overall is just a lot of fun being able to run with a bunch of people that are, you know, you see on Twitter, you see their PFPs.
And now you get to put a face to the name and just be in a cool environment like that.
It was definitely a lot of fun.
Now, Sonny, would you mind just taking a step back and educating all of us DJs on exactly what youth athletics is, what it stands for and kind of where it's going?
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
So youth athletics is a club that I started under the youth youth NFT brand.
If you guys are familiar with kind of just like how they think about IP, they very much think about it from an individual NFT standpoint,
but also the standpoint of like using the IP of the logos and kind of full D labs assets, if you would.
Obviously, I'm a D God as well.
And so like for me, it's it's kind of about building, building under both.
And you see, I have a jersey on my D God and that's kind of how I got started into things.
I was doing things under D Goat, which was kind of a niche group under D Gods, made some jerseys and shorts and kind of just expanded from there in terms of wanting to do like overall athletic wear.
And so it kind of started as this idea for like building a brand and athletic wear underneath youths to kind of push the brand forward.
And what I found is like through doing an event at NFT LA and then doing one again at NFT NYC that was around basketball is that there really is kind of like this almost like this niche market within Web3 for events like these where, you know,
D 10s and efforts can come together, get on a court and just connect and bond in a different way that's outside of the events like, you know, parties, drinks, etc.
And so now where we stand is very much in this place of just like still doing a bunch of athletic wear and then just hosting a bunch of these kind of sporting type events where we can play sports with one another.
Right now it's basketball. We'll definitely be expanding into probably like pickleball, kind of like, you know, easy games for people to be able to pick up and then potentially doing others down the line at some conferences, etc.
But yeah, that's kind of that's kind of where we stand today. And the vision is really just around this kind of community centric athletic brand that also hosts events in these, you know, various cities around the world.
It's awesome, man. I love it, bro.
Average, anybody who wants to come up, please come up on stage, hang out with us. We're talking to Sonny. He's part of Utah Athletics. They did some amazing events. I knew they had one going on in New York and then
the yeah, it was and then it was cool that I think I think you actually were able to hang out with Jordan, our CEO up on the rooftop during the God's basement party, right?
Yeah, we we ended up going up there, you know, the God's basement party was a little full, went up to the rooftop with with a couple other homies with actually the D Golf, the D Golf homies, who's another great club.
There's a lot of synergy between us. And so yeah, we went up there, then Jordan was in a section, he was like, yeah, join me. Welcome, welcome. And so it's like, it's a cool time where it's just like, you know, especially in that type of environment, like, meeting, talking to people, whatever the case may be, you might meet someone for the first time, but it's like, you already have that commonality of like, if you're a D God, or for like you guys, if you're a board ape, you name, whatever the case is, that kind of common connection factor, just like, it kind of like,
gets you way past any type of like, icebreakers or anything kind of right away. And you can go right into just like, connecting, which is cool.
For sure, man. 100%. Actually, it was crazy. I was with Pinky, Walker and I were at Pinky that night. We were on the roof with Jordan, then we went to the Mirage, we had a reservation there for something. And yeah, we were up there, we had the table set up, we're hanging out, had a great time. But man, trying to get in that one in the basement, it just wasn't even, it just didn't even seem like all the time.
Yeah, that was crazy. I remember that line, bro. Yeah, that line was nuts.
A lot of, yeah, a lot of dudes. A lot of dudes in that line.
The D bros came out of New York.
Yeah, bro. I was like, that's a long line for a lot of dudes, bro. But I mean, was it good? How was the party?
I mean, I actually didn't end up going to the basement party. I went to the rooftop and just kicked it with Jordan up there and just had a good time, honestly.
Yeah, you know what? That rooftop of that place was pretty dope, man. I like the setup they had over there.
Yeah.
The view and shit they have, like wrapping around, bro. That's dope.
That was actually, actually, that was probably my favorite part of that hotel, to be honest.
Facts.
No, that rooftop.
Yeah, Pinky loved the size of the room, so that was his favorite part.
Oh, yeah, bro. That's like, I fit like half of my body on the bed.
Yeah, man. Dude, we're going to be missing you out here, Walker, bro.
So, same, homie. Same. Dude, y'all better tear it up at the Izuki event.
Well, dude, I mean, this is my hometown. This is my stomping grounds, bro. Vegas is my home.
So, like, everyone, it's cool because, like, everybody's, the whole entire community is coming out to my home.
You know what I mean? Like, usually I'm always traveling out.
So, I can actually disappear from you fuckers and just disappear and, like, Irish dance out.
Yeah, man. I mean, I was, my first flight got canceled, and now I have a, I have a spirit flight, middle seat, no recliner chairs, just to get out.
Nice. Oh, yeah, bro.
You know, you know what they say, bro. Like, it's, it's like getting a bird shitting on you, right? It's good luck.
So, when you get that on a spirit flight, bro, I guarantee the week's going to be good.
Yeah, bro. It's going to be a, it's going to be a good time. I'm excited to see the, zit.
When do you get in?
I'll be in tonight around, like, 1130. Every time I get, like, a text from spirit, I freak out.
But, guys, I got a babysitter Friday, Saturday, so don't, don't let Coco fucking take you guys out.
No, no, no, no, no, no.
And take you guys out all night, because you guys, he will ruin you guys for, like, three days.
No, no, no, no, no, no. Not this trip. We're, no, tonight, tonight we're chilling.
You got to pace yourselves. Yeah. It's real easy to get caught up in the first night, bro.
You land at 12 o'clock, bro. I guarantee you, I'm going to roll up to the hotel at, like, 10 o'clock tomorrow.
You guys haven't slept. Guaranteed.
No shot. No shot. I've got to, I've got to call my therapist at 9 o'clock.
In the morning, there's no shot. He would kill me.
Oh, your therapist is going to have a lot to hear, bro. You're going to have a lot to hear.
Nope. We've already made it. We've already made the decision. There's nothing.
Tonight is chill. Just get to the hotel, chill out.
Yeah.
And then we have, tomorrow starts the bing bong. We're going to bing bong tomorrow.
Bing bong.
Is that a, is that a pool? Is that like a pool too?
Yeah, it's like a private mansion pool party. Cantor's DJ in the headliner there.
Yeah, yeah. I was talking to him. He's cool.
Yeah, so that should be a good one tomorrow.
And then we got the Zuki Cascade during a day.
And then the Zuki.
Is this Cascade? Is that the, is that the dude that's playing?
Is Cascade playing at the Zuki thing?
He's not playing at Hakkasan, but he's playing during a day at a pool party.
If we don't go to that, I know Steve Aoki has a thing there too.
But really, I mean, I think really.
Cascade's dope.
To try to find the Zuki people is probably going to be like the best bet.
But I mean, dude, I'm down for whatever you guys want to do.
Guys, guys, this is my hometown, bro. There's literally so, like, we, it doesn't matter where we go, bro.
Like, the Zuki things will be cool. We're going, obviously we're going to go to the main event.
But, bro, there's a lot of shit you can get into that has nothing to do with NFTs here.
We'll have a good time.
All right, guys. So, y'all are just making, like, my eyes water.
Oh, don't cry.
I'm in the floor in the corner.
No, no, Sonny, I really, I want to hear more, though, man.
Like, so, with the Utah Athletics, Graham, so, like, what are kind of your plans on, like, scaling that to be able to reach, you know, all of these different communities within youths, right?
Like, if I want to participate in your events, like, where are you centrally located, and are you trying to build out that brand with, like, partners in the community?
Yeah, so, I mean, definitely people that want to help.
I mean, I'm always up for collaborating with people in the community.
Like, my homie Logan is in here.
He's a dope content creator.
We've definitely been talking about things.
He was there at the first event, NFPLA, too.
And so, there's definitely different opportunities there.
And then, as far as, like, as far as, like, really scaling it, it's really, one, it's, like, continuing to do, like, the merch part of it and continuing to come out with, like, fresh designs and designs that also kind of go past the, just, like, it being NFT merch, if you would.
And so, we've had a little success with that in terms of just, like, being an all-inclusive brand, if you would.
Like, people that have come to our events, not all of them are youth holders or D-Gods holders or anything like that.
And that's definitely something that we encourage.
But then, like, for, like, for the Big 3 season, for example, that's coming up, we're going to be doing a bunch of events in those cities where the Big 3 games are being played.
And so, we're going to host pickup games there.
And so, centrally located in L.A., but throughout the summer, we'll be in different cities, like New York, Miami, Chicago this weekend.
And actually, like, you guys talk about Vegas, one of the homies' men from Mizuki was trying to get me out to the Vegas party.
And I was, like, bummed I had to miss it because I got an, like, early morning flight out on Saturday to Chicago.
But it's, like, doing things like that.
And so, the D-Gods team itself are very much empowering me to do that and kind of supporting in that way.
And so, I think it's really about, like, seeing how we can scale out these events and if they become a lot more sustainable where we have people that are showing up on a monthly basis, then I think we can start thinking about potentially, like, sponsorships even and just different ways that we can potentially, you know, have brand exposure for other brands that want to get involved through content or their communities or whatever the case may be.
But that's kind of where we're at right now.
I love that, bro.
And so, kind of two questions.
So, number one, have you even thought about, are you interested at all in, like, branching the athletic side out into esports?
And then number two, what do you think about the D-Gods new season coming out?
So, definitely for esports, I've been, I've talked to a few people about it and I would love to, like, get in that realm.
So, I'm not too, too familiar with the, like, esports environment, if you would.
But I know that, obviously, there's different teams and you can do sponsorships and do different things there.
And so, I would love to get, like, more involved.
I think it's really just about, like, you know, obviously taking the steps of, like, it starts with, like, I'm personally just, like, huge passion with basketball.
And so, it's kind of, like, started with that and just continuing to expand into other sports.
And then, you know, hopefully esports as well.
And then, yeah, I mean, with D-Gods season three, like, I just, I think overall, I just like the way that they think about it in terms of, like, keeping things fresh and, like, doing new art.
And, obviously, like, going from the D-Gods art to the Dead Gods art was a huge catalyst in, like, their success.
And then being able to kind of continue to essentially just want to be at the forefront of, like, doing new things within this NFT space and pushing what the limits of an NFT project could be.
I think that's the most exciting part when it comes to, like, them announcing these new seasons and these new waves.
It's very similar to, like, obviously, like, you know, like a game system announcing, like, from PS2 to PS3 or for, like, a new fall fashion line or whatever the case is.
It kind of just keeps you ahead and fresh in the, you know, in the industry that you're in.
Sick, man.
No, I, you know, it's, I was curious, obviously, there's a lot of unknowns when it comes to these different seasons, especially for Utes as well.
But at least they're building, at least they got their heads down and they're doing stuff.
I mean, I feel like lately in the timeline, I haven't seen anything from Frank.
Maybe my algorithm's moving around.
But, I mean, it's been in, like, meme coin mania, right?
And a lot of, like, a lot of the timeline has really shifted.
And it's obviously from NFTs in general.
But do you think that Season 3 has the viralness component that could potentially bring liquidity back into NFTs maybe pre-cycle?
Like, pre-when they, you know, we're expecting to see liquidity or thinking that liquidity will come after the altcoin run?
Yeah, I mean, I think a lot of it has to do with, like, even, even with some of the, like, the quiet times.
It's crazy some of the things that, like, go viral for D-Guides.
I think even a couple, a couple weeks ago, it was, like, this whole, like, fiasco with, like, a hoodie.
A couple people were upset with it.
But it was, like, a whole topic on the timeline for a little bit.
And I think I, like, even zoom out more than that and realize, obviously, like, between your timeline, my timeline, and other people's timeline, it's probably all different in terms of, like, what people are seeing, even, like, in just this niche space that we're in.
But as far as, like, NFTs go, I think what they do really well is, obviously, that aspect of, like, virality and, like, doing a good rollout and able to, like, grab the attention.
And so I think with that, you will see, obviously, like, liquidity enter the space or some people that may be on the sidelines.
And I think we've seen that with a couple different projects, just even between, like, ETH and even some on Seoul.
Like, as far as some projects that are coming out, I just don't think it's been as, like, crazy as, obviously, like, during the bull run, right?
Like, right now, it's very much just, like, the most quality projects are going to, like, still be successful right now.
If you think of, like, a project like a Klanosaurus or even a project like Mad Labs or something like that on Seoul, where they've been able to be kind of, like, successful through this time and have their own milestones.
So I think it's one of those things where it's, like, for D-Gods in general, I think for them, like, they will be able to attract that market and attract whatever liquidity might be on the sideline.
But if it, as far as, like, it trickling down to other communities, I don't know if we're going to really see that until more so when we do, hopefully, get to that, like, next bull run.
But I don't think, like, NFTs are going anywhere for sure.
Oh, they're here to stay just in what capacity.
I mean, Pinky, Pinky, I mean, you've been collecting for a long β you've been collecting for a while.
Obviously, you've been OG on a set of coins.
But, you know, like, when it comes to, like, next level of, like, NFTs, what do you think, man?
Do you think, like β do you think it's always going to just be more of a digital receipt with maybe potentially pictures attached to it?
Or do you think, like, there's a next level of NFT, like, that we haven't even, like, uncovered yet?
I think, of course, there's that.
You know what I mean?
I honestly β there's, like β it feels like the very beginning of something massive because, like, being in the industry for a long time and β what NFTs did this last bull run, bro?
Like, I don't think people really fully understand, like, the magnitude of how powerful they are as far as, like β hold on, buddy.
I'm sorry.
I'm at, like, a jumpy place with my kids right now.
But, like, the magnitude of, like, onboarding that NFT did to just, like, general public.
And there's a lot of people that got into NFTs that don't know shit about crypto.
Like, they don't β they don't understand the first thing about crypto when they got into the NFT space.
And there's a lot of people like that.
So, like, obviously, it's going to evolve, right?
But I kind of β like, I kind of think that, like, where it's at is fucking cool.
Like, I kind of like where it's sitting.
Obviously, the price sucks right now and every β you know, liquidity is not there.
But, like, the way that NFTs kind of came about and, like, what they stand for and, like, the tribalism of them, like, there's β I don't think it needs to really change much, man.
I think it works, right?
I think it's just a matter of just, like, onboarding and people understanding the technology.
And then β I mean, think about it, right?
Like, the funnest shit in the world is going to be in-real-life events, right?
Like, I've been in crypto for fucking seven, eight years, and I would much rather go to an NFT conference any day of the week than any regular crypto conference.
I don't even care about those anymore.
The only shit I go to is, like, NFT conference because it's fun, bro.
You meet people.
You have younger people.
You have enthusiastic people, artists.
It's like β I think it's β I think NFTs are going to be a massive part of the next bull run.
I think a lot of people are kind of, like, down on them right now just because of the liquidity and everyone saying they're dying.
But I think they're going to come back, like, roaring back, but obviously I think they're going to, you know, evolve into something we can't even think of.
Yeah, Mark.
Dude, I love that.
I love that, Ty.
And so, you know, when I look at it right now, man, it's like β you know, and we were speaking with Unity, you know, quite some time back.
And, you know, some people there are like, hey, you know, we don't really see, you know, the evolution of, like, NFTs into gaming, right?
Because, like, it creates, like, such this, like, cumbersome process for the game developers themselves, for, like, them to make these assets, you know, interchangeable between the games.
It actually makes it harder for them to monetize those individual assets.
And, I mean, dude, over the last couple of weeks, we have seen Nike, Nike Swoosh.
So, I think it's like Nike.Swoosh.
Yes, it's one of the Nike brands that have a blockchain and NFT element.
They did a collaboration with Fortnite, like, two days ago.
I mean, that's incredible, right?
We've seen Grand Theft Auto come out and say that the money in-game will have real-world value, right?
And so, I think it's one of those cases where it's really slow, and then it's all at once.
And when one of these game developers adopt NFTs and allow for these gamers, I mean, Fortnite, over the past six months, I think they've done over $3 billion worth in-game sales.
Yeah, so here's β I actually had a long conversation about this with him because you know I'm developing a game that involves NFTs and all that.
Badass.
Yeah, I had a talk with a guy that was, like, way more into gaming than me.
Like, you know, I'm developing a game with a company, but I'm by no means, like, a big gamer, right?
Like, I have to ask other people because that's not my expertise.
But he was telling me, he said, you know, the problem with crypto and gaming, like, for instance, like, the Grand Theft Auto thing, right?
He said the problem with it is gaming is so large right now.
When you start incorporating things like NFTs and tokens, that doesn't do anything but give value to the consumer, right?
But when you have, like, a V-Bucks or something like that in, like, a Fortnite, why would you move away from that, right?
Because that's all money in-house.
That money doesn't leave, right?
When you start having tokens, that money can be pulled out.
So the user is actually rewarded, right?
What they're doing right now, they don't need to do that, right?
Like, they're massive.
They don't need to go and have this other economy where people can trade and their coin can be worth money and they can pull it and suck it out of the entire market that they've created.
So what I think it's going to be is, it's going to have to be the other way around, right?
I think people, I think crypto is going to have to kind of barge its way into the gaming sector and then make it needed, right?
Because I don't think the gaming sector is going to, they don't want that, right?
They already have their economies.
So, like, and the problem is, it's like, when you look at it from, like, an outside view, you think that people in crypto are gamers just by, just because, you know, it's similar.
You're on computers all day.
You're doing this, that.
But the funny thing is, no, did y'all, did y'all, can y'all hear, you know?
A lot of places, they're, yeah, sorry, can you hear me now?
You're back, you're back now.
It's not like you got a phone call coming.
Yeah, yeah, no, no, like, I've been going to gaming conventions and stuff and I'm starting to realize that they're very separated, the gaming industry and crypto, right?
So there's, like, a big bridge there that needs to be gapped and someone just has to do it right.
But I don't think it's going to be from the gaming side moving over.
I think someone from crypto is going to have to make it work and make the world see, and then it'll kind of bleed over into that.
No one's really done it correctly yet.
So I think, yeah, man, I'm, like, very optimistic about it, but I'd like to kind of see, because, like, the Grand Theft Auto thing, when I heard that, too, I was, like, pretty stoked.
I was like, this is awesome, right?
Like, if a massive game like that actually incorporates some form of token that where you can earn, but then I dug in a little deeper, and that's not what they're doing.
They're basically saying that in the game, they're going to have a token that's like a cryptocurrency, but it's not going to be an actual cryptocurrency that you can, like, go and trade on an exchange or something.
It'll just be an in-game token that's basically the same thing as, like, a V-Bucks.
Well, if they build it right, though, Pinky, it could be an easy, like, transition into crypto, but it sounds like it's going in the right direction.
Yeah, no, no, 100%.
I think that's what I'm saying, right?
Like, I think the door just has to be burst down from the opposite direction than what people think.
I don't think it's going to be the gaming industry, because, like I said, they don't need to, right?
Like, if you incorporate a token into a massive game like a whatever, like a Grand Theft Auto, that money can be taken out, right?
Like, that money can be taken out of the economy.
When you're dealing with an in-game currency, people just buy V-Bucks and the money goes straight to them.
There's no reason to have anything else.
And that's a huge catalyst.
Another one is the regulatory issues.
Yeah.
So, like, right now, with an in-game, you know, with an in-game, like, V-Bucks exchange, like a virtual currency exchange, whatever you want to call it, the regulatory environment is much, much more clear.
And it's actually very net positive for those issuers, where if you move into NFTs or crypto at the moment, it's extremely unclear and potentially devastating to the economy that you build around it.
But it's like, man, when we look, right, like, let's take CSGO, for example.
I think it was a few months ago, there was a skin for a gun that sold for a few hundred thousand dollars.
And this wasn't like a one-off skin.
I think there was like 3,000 of them, right?
I mean, that's the size of, you know, a relatively large crypto project.
And for that to sell for that kind of money and the licensing agreement that these individuals are getting, right, it's a very limited license that can be pulled at any time they have no ability to use or to monetize that asset out of game.
And, again, I think it's very slow and all at one point.
Because as soon as these gamers see the power and the ability for them to own and monetize these assets and use them and to brand across their digital persona, they're going to say, if you're not going to give us that ability, we're not going to spend our time in your ecosystem.
And that's what it is, right?
It's about getting the user to understand that that's where the value comes, right?
And then you have to change, right?
Like, those games have to change once the user wants it.
So it's all about getting the user on board.
And, you know, obviously, I was speaking more about token economies, but, like, NFTs, I think, are a whole different ballgame, right?
Like, there are so many use cases in-game that make sense for a big company to come and start using NFTs aside from, like, a token, right?
Because there's just so many more use cases that it actually makes sense.
And I think it's a way easier to sell and people will understand it more.
And that's what I was saying with NFTs overall.
Like, the onboarding that they've done in the past fucking two to three years is amazing.
And I think it's just going to keep growing, man.
Like, NFTs, I think, are going to β it's always that thing that you don't think of, right?
It's always, like, I don't see NFTs coming the way they did.
Like, I'd heard about them the last bull cycle, but nobody saw them taking, like, sucking that much liquidity out of the market, dude.
I truly believe that Bitcoin would have hit 100K if it wasn't for NFTs coming into β you know what I mean?
All that retail money went into NFTs and into, like, all kinds of stuff.
So I think it's going to be 10x to that, man.
I wouldn't be surprised this next speak.
That is true.
Look what I'm in the house here, Miss Jess Haley.
You know, this girl is absolutely crushing it.
Moved to Tampa, down β across the bridge from me.
Never get to see her unless she just shows up at the Tampa events.
But, you know, I got on one of her spaces that had way too many smarter people than me.
And here she is just over here peeping in the space.
Why don't you go say what's up, Jess?
Are you β I saw you're a family, I think, on Insta.
So are you back in β are you back in Tampa?
What's your deal?
Come say hi.
I'm actually leaving today here in a couple hours to go meet Pinky in Vegas.
So really excited to get out there and see this Izuki fam.
But, yeah, it's going to be β it's going to be cool.
What's going on, Jess?
How are you?
Dude, I'm stuck at the airport.
I've had, like β my flight's been delayed, like, 18 times.
So I'm chilling.
Mine got canceled this morning when I β it canceled three hours.
I actually should be in the air right now going to Vegas.
But, no, there must be something going on.
And last time when I was there going to L.A. and back, the Delta, out of all people,
had the worst baggage situation.
Like, they are, like β they can't hire enough baggage, like, people to throw your,
like, big luggage around on conveyor belts or something.
It was, like, a line out the door.
You guys both had your flights started late.
Yeah.
Mine's delayed right now, too.
I just flew into my family, like, four days ago, and I had 12 hours worth of delays.
I canceled it and went on a different airline and still got delayed.
So I don't know what's going on.
But these guys are not β they're messing with my emotions today.
Yeah.
It's definitely not the weather here, man.
The weather's beautiful out here.
And I think it's, like, tomorrow's, like, 87 degrees.
It's, like, the nicest day of the summer tomorrow.
I don't think it's coming from Vegas, Pinky.
I think it has to do with Florida.
Yeah, definitely not.
There's something to do with Florida.
Yeah, it's Florida.
It's definitely Florida.
Yeah, and it's crazy.
I was on United.
I had a nice aisle on both flights, nice exit row.
Now I'm sitting in Spirit Airlines, middle seat, all the way in the back of the bus.
I'm in the back.
Let's go.
Let's go.
It's good for you.
It's good for you sometimes, bro.
By the rattly bathrooms, by the screaming children.
Oh, Spirit Airlines, man.
They're the best.
You ask for water, and they look at you like you're stupid.
They're like, that would be $45, man.
You know what the move is?
You just pay, because I'm just, like, 6'5", so I got to get, like, a bigger seat.
So what you do is you just pay for the exit row and Spirit, and then it's not that bad.
Like, it's, because I was on United, like, recently, and it was the worst flight ever.
I missed my flight.
They wouldn't let me on, and so I had to run over to Spirit and, like, just hop on a flight,
and then I just paid the extra $20 for the extra leg room, and it's actually not a bad
flight.
That's actually smart.
That's really smart.
I feel like Spirit is taking over all the non-stops out of Tampa, too, and I don't know
what it is, but they have, when I was looking at flights to Miami, I was looking at flights
to Vegas, looking at flights to LA, every single one of them was Spirit Airlines if you
wanted to fly non-stop.
I was like, what is going on?
Spirit is taking over all of the Tampa non-stops.
You're not lying.
I thought that I moved to this airport, because, I mean, like, I'm 15 minutes away, and, like,
that was the whole reason I moved here in the first place, but I'm thinking MCO, a.k.a.
Orlando.
I'm afraid to look at the prices, because I know I'm going to be so jealous of what MCO is
doing, and I'm going to make a move to Orlando.
That would be weird.
That's farther away from the beach.
True.
Well, what up?
So, how was your space this last Tuesday?
I saw you had, I didn't see guests, but I knew that, like, the previous week, you had
some freaking ballers on here.
You had Grant Cardone and his brother, right?
Yeah.
This past week, it was crypto-related, and I had so many guests that I couldn't fit it
on a wire.
Where the poop was my text?
What?
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
No, seriously, no, I wish I could have, like, a bigger panel, because I had so many people
say yes to me last minute, and then also say, like, hey, I'm going to be on for, like, 20
minutes, I'm going to come in late, and I'm going to drop off, and I'm going to, I was
like, forget it, I'm putting myself on a flyer, that's it.
I know I'm trying to figure out who's going to be on this or not, but it was a good, it
was a good last minute space.
It was, I kind of had to throw it together, I was traveling, and so I kind of didn't prepare
carefully, but the week before, it was really awesome, it was, yeah, Grant Cardone, and
a bunch of, like, macro analysts, and it was, it was a really good space.
All right.
Next week should be really cool, too.
I'll remember that, Jess, I'll remember that.
I saw you literally that weekend at the Tampa Entrepreneurs down the street at American
Social, and I don't get an invite to speak on the space, I'm going to go, I'm going to
go speak in Vegas, I'm just going to go to Vegas and jump on the stage.
I really thought you were traveling now, because I thought you, I saw you saying you were
going somewhere, Vegas or somewhere.
The last one was LA, I went to Tech Week.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, it was LA, that's what it was, that's what it was.
You're always on a plane.
Every time I see your story on Instagram, I'm like, this dude does not say put, I love
I mean, it's, it's, we're, we're an up and coming tech company in Web3, so it's like,
if we don't have constant, like, the more touches right now, I mean, it used to be seven
touches would equal, like, a deal, or at least get, like, that person in the door, but now
it's like 12 touches, because there's so much shit, and I think that the one thing
you cannot replace is human, like, face-to-face interaction, versus, like, seeing all the
bullshit on the internet, so I, I'm a firm believer that the more that people see that
we're the real deal, and the tech that we're building this year to, to really be a utility
for the space, they're gonna, we'll convert more, convert more, you know, we'll be able
to sell out, which no one is able to do, and that's the goal.
I completely agree with that, and I completely understand it, up until two months ago, I
was on a plane every other week, so I can't really say anything to you, and, like, when
it comes to being in person at these Web3 events, there's nothing that, you can't replace
IRL, you just can't, like, you can't build a community unless you actually experience people's
energy, and, and are surrounded by that, so I completely agree, and I've, I'm cheering you
around from afar, I promise.
I appreciate it, and I would love to, would love to definitely have, you know, even if
it's not me, I'll tell you what, if you're looking for, like, you know, a go-getter,
like, smart, smart, technical TA guy, Walker here, part of our AVP on our team, he's, he
knows, like, he's, he's had his own firm before, and, yeah, I think, like, he would be in one
of those, like, one of those more financial, like, more traditional side of things, he could
definitely give some great insight, especially if it's more of, like, a technical analysis
for even, like, when it comes to, like, the S&P, the SPY, or even when it comes to crypto.
Would love that, would absolutely love that.
I'm always, I mean, they're, they're, they ask me to switch it up every week, so that
I don't have, like, the same people on, which makes my job a little bit harder, but also
it constantly switches up the space and kind of cross-pollinates everybody's audiences,
so what, I'm always looking for technical guys and people that can see more of the
macro stuff as well, just in all, across all markets, so love, love, love that intro.
Yeah, because what do you, you guys were averaging, like, a couple, what is it, like, anywhere from,
like, 500 to, like, 1,500 people in space now?
Yeah, I think our biggest one was up to, like, 2,200 at one time, and about 10,000 that watch
it, like, through the week, but I would say, on average, it's anywhere from, yeah, 5,600,
the low, low amount to a little bit over 1,100.
That's great.
No, it's great to meet you, Jessica.
Thank you, thank you for stopping in.
I appreciate that, Chris, and, you know, as Chris was saying, you know, my background's,
like, in traditional finance.
I opened up a firm, and then I got into private equity, and then rotated into the, to the tech
startups, but, you know, like, the fundamental basis, like, of, like, my knowledge and my
beliefs, like, rely, you know, around, like, a true understanding of, like, what money is
and how it works.
You know, I think there's such a fundamental flaw in our society, where people go to school
for, you know, 20 to 25 years of their life, many people get hundreds of thousands of dollars
in debt, all the big job ought to make money, but they don't understand how it works.
They don't spend money against liability, against depreciating assets, and they get
into this hole that they can't dig out of, and, you know, when you look at the money
supply, right, we've quadrupled the M1 money supply in the last four years, right?
Since COVID, there's four times the amount of dollars in circulation as previous.
I mean, you know, also, the purchasing power of the dollar has depreciated by over 90% in
the last 100 years.
In $1,700, the value that you can get for $1, you would need $63 today to purchase that
same asset.
So, I think it's so critical for individuals to really, like, take a step back and realize,
like, how to utilize and how to deploy the capital that they're working so hard to get
towards.
And, I mean, I think that's why Bitcoin is such an incredible technology.
You know, arguably, and in my opinion, Bitcoin is the first technology in human history that
facilitates global bilateral trade in a trustless manner.
And that, to me, is, like, the first promise that we've ever had of a true opportunity for
economic freedom.
So, yeah, Jess, any time, hit me up, I followed you.
I would love to participate.
In other words, Walker's smart as hell.
Yeah, I see that.
And where are you from, Walker?
I can hear the, I just love Virginia, so I'm, I have the little southern coin that comes
out.
You gotta get a glass of wine.
But where are you from?
So, and actually, my grandparents, they lived in Virginia for, like, the past 20 years.
My grandfather built a cabin up there with his hands in Laurel Fort, Virginia.
I don't know if you know that.
But I'm from Alabama.
That's awesome.
Yeah, I hear your southern coin.
I love it.
No, I, I've been talking to a couple of the guys, you know, this isn't necessarily
going to get as big a numbers.
When I first started this, like, six weeks ago, it was more so just to honestly be immersed
in the space of finance in general.
And I figured what's the best way to learn as fast as humanly possible, because I got
recruited into this job, was to, you know, host panels with some of the best experts across
all, you know, financial sectors and ask them really dope questions and just kind of
immerse myself in this, in this world.
But what I've started to realize is that there's so many people that don't understand this
ecosystem, this whole financial ecosystem.
I know I don't.
Like, the way that you just described what you just described, there's so many people
that also don't understand that, and they don't know how to deploy their little soldiers
out there that they're working so hard for, and they don't know how to leverage.
And, I mean, I'm over here learning, too.
So, I really would love to host some type of educational space that really teaches and
helps people understand the financial ecosystem.
And there's rules to the game, right?
And they don't teach you that shit in school.
And I wish that they did, but they don't.
So, I would love to host something.
Maybe, like, we could just do something, like, on an off day where it's, like, understanding
the ecosystem of money and understanding the shit they don't teach you in school, essentially,
and how to deploy these hard-earned dollars that we're all, you know, especially in this
time.
Like, there's so many different things going on in this time that is obviously different
than any landscape that we've ever been in because of the Fed printing money and because
of the market and all these different directions.
So, yeah, we should put something together.
I would love, love, love to recruit into that to help people really understand that and
understand more myself.
Yeah, and you know what's crazy, Walker?
A lot of, like, there's a mixture.
Like, I would say, in Jess's spaces, she has, like, legit, like, traditional finance or,
like, interested people on Twitter.
It's almost like a bleed into non-crypto Twitter.
It's kind of, it's really unique.
It's one of the few spaces I've actually seen that mixture versus when it comes to, like,
anything that even sometimes even drips in the crypto or even the space that I spoke on
with her was more of, like, gosh, I was back with, like, we had Tom Crown.
There's a bunch of Bitcoin Maxis in there and stuff.
And it was, you know, bearish or bullish.
And, yeah, you know, it's funny to listen to that recording.
The ones that were bearish are probably are kind of rethinking their strategy because I'm
pretty sure a lot of them, like, were expecting this not to happen and that it would have to
follow exactly the TA and there wouldn't have been any breakouts.
So that was also interesting to hear, too, was the bearish bullish.
I thought that, and that space lasted for an hour.
And by the time I even got to speak, I had, it was, like, it was, like, 655.
I couldn't even get, like, two words in.
But, no, I did get some words in.
It was a good time.
And what I love about that space, too, that they run is it creates that, you know,
when you run a space for a certain amount of time and you bring a lot of talent in the
same room and everybody wants to say stuff, it creates that necessity or that want.
And I bet Jess can say it better than me because she told me that, and it really opened up my
eyes to it, is, like, there's that interest that people want to come back that next week
because, you know, because they didn't get everything that previous week.
So I thought that was a great strategy that you've implemented as well.
Yeah, no, for sure.
People are showing up every week now.
It's been really fun to kind of see what, I didn't know what was going to happen, to
be honest with you.
I just knew that when I got recruited into this company, Verified Investing, and Gareth
has a big following, and he said, Jess, I want you to start actually, like, he was, like,
you need, one, you need to get a Twitter, two, you need to start using it, three, you need
to, like, actually start doing some stuff on it to build some influence for yourself because
you're a part of this, you know, brand and we all have influence on Twitter.
And you don't, and I was like, okay, so let me host some panels.
And I started leveraging his name, and he's got, you know, more of a TA background, so,
and he does a lot of stuff in, you know, stocks and real estate and just all commodities, all
that stuff.
So it's definitely more traditional, but he also does a lot of crypto stuff.
So I was able to kind of leverage his name.
I hop into a lot of these bigger spaces that I see running, and I message the people that
I hear speaking, and I just say, hey, guys, love your perspective on the space right now.
I work with Jara Soloway.
We host the space every Tuesday night.
Would love to have you on the panel.
And I get answers back from some of the people that have, like, I don't know, hundreds of
thousands of people that follow them, and they'll just respond, and they'll say, heck,
yeah, like, send me an invite.
And it's kind of crazy.
I had no idea that some of these people were going to actually say yes, but we've definitely
had some cool, like, perspectives.
Like, just like you said, like, we have a lot of, you know, cool debates with Bears versus
Bulls and a lot of TAs and a lot of β it's been really cool to see kind of what's shown
I had no idea what to expect six weeks ago when I started these, and then I've actually
got Robert Kiyosaki coming on one coming up soon.
So that'll be really cool.
But, yeah, it's been an adventure.
That's for sure.
Awesome.
Well, thanks for coming by and chilling with us.
It sounds like you're in the airport, and I can understand it's, like, it's good to
get out of that airport mindset as much as you can and just talk to other people.
It's like β
It's so funny.
As soon as I got on Twitter Spaces and I saw you were on a space, I was like, I was
like, let me go say hi to friends.
I appreciate that.
Yeah.
Thanks for having me up.
But, yeah, please come play on Tuesday, and Walker, I'll definitely reach out and let
you know.
I'm going to have a crypto space probably in two weeks, so let's definitely set up for
you guys to come up on the speaker panel for sure.
Yeah.
I mean, it'll be cool, like, especially if you want to get more of, like, business, like
people that are using crypto or NFTs.
Like, our buddy Sonny here, who's one of our guests today, he's building Youth Athletics,
which is part of an NFT company.
It's kind of like a β like an athlete, you know, he can probably explain more of
everything, but, like, basically creating β just getting people outside, getting basketball
games, and really build on the big three that they're a part of.
And that's β I think that's an aspect that especially traditional people that would
not even, like β that's the next level for them probably when it even comes to this
whole thing.
So, if it ever β you know, that's a great person here to Sonny to connect with when
it comes to taking, like, an existing community and building on top of it.
And that's what most people β or most NFT collections don't have outside of a select
few.
I would say Bored Apes, D-Gods, Utes, and, you know, a handful of the other blue chips.
And I think that's only going to grow as the NFT β the next NFT cycle hits.
Like Pinky said, this next one should be huge, and I agree with him.
And I think you're going to see these people that are communities β different types of
community people.
I mean, there's so many biker communities out there.
You know, like, all these people are going to transition to a digital world, and we're
basically right now, Sonny and other people are building out the landscape and kind of
like that handbook for how to do it.
So, once that's done, it should be a very seamless experience for these traditional
clubs.
I mean, let's say even the bingo club should have β you know, like, there should be an
NFT bingo club for different stuff, man.
So, I'm excited to see the traditional people start to β start to have a little bit more
trust.
And that comes through β that early adopter comes through, I think, Twitter spaces like
the verified investing ones.
So, anyway.
All right, guys.
I've got to β
That's so dope.
I love it.
Go ahead, Jess.
I said that's so dope.
I love it.
I love it.
I really β I want to hear more about what you guys are up to in all of your different
projects.
For sure.
So, I mean, just to give a quick rundown, you know, one of the core focuses of our
company β I mean, overall, we're a technology company, right?
So, we're really trying to build solutions to allow this space to evolve into what we deem
as the metaverse, which is, you know, gaming, social media, right?
All these digital interactions that we have.
But I think the concept of the metaverse and the way that it was portrayed β I hate
to use the word scam, but, you know, I think that's really where it was last cycle.
It's this big overarching idea that the individuals could see the world moving towards.
But I think it was portrayed in a way that was just really not feasible and probably, you
know, won't be for some time.
But with Metatope, we saw this opportunity, right?
Like, you look at individuals.
I mean, even take us, for example, right?
I mean, I'm 26 years old.
You know, I grew up with dial-up internet.
I remember moving into, like, Hotmail and different URL handles and MySpace and Facebook.
And really, like, what that is is, like, the evolution of our digital identity and our persona online.
And you look at a kid today, they take their allowance.
You know, they take the available dollars that they have and they put it into a Fortnite skin.
Why?
Well, it's because they have the most valuable interactions with the people that they love online.
All right, and so what we have done is we've created an infrastructure and a technology stack to allow for these digital identities,
whether it be an in-game identity or a NFT, you know, a PFP, whatever it is,
to allow for the individuals to fully embody that asset across all of their digital experiences.
So, you know, for the example of, like, the NFT space with the Metatope technology stack,
you're going to be able to take that board ape, you're going to be able to embody it fully,
head to toe with the front-facing camera on your phone.
You're going to be able to use that across your social media, your streaming, your gaming,
and your metaverse interactions.
And what we believe is this is an incredible opportunity for the consumer, right,
to take this thing and this idea that they've loved, right,
and a board ape, as it stands, is really just like a static image.
And for the community to be able to become the voice of the brand in real time,
to take that board ape and to be able to brand it in real time with legacy brands, right,
Nate, look at your favorite clothing brand in the store,
be able to take those assets, put it on to yours in real time,
and to go across these digital interactions and to kind of, you know, have a digital flex
in a really, like, fun and sustainable way.
So it creates an amazing opportunity for the community themselves,
for the holders, and for the brands that want to integrate with Web3.
So that is our core focus, and we're going to continue to build out.
We've got a lot of other things cooking, but that's where we are for now.
I love that.
I love, love, love that.
Thank you so much for sharing.
Uh-oh.
Everybody got muted, Jessica.
You're so welcome.
I really appreciate you coming by and spending time with us.
We do Tope Talk every single Thursday, same time, same place.
We would love to have you guys.
We got Pinky back on the panel.
That means he's got some alpha for us.
Nah, bro, I was just listening, you know, to what you were talking about in the minutes.
I can't wait for you guys to, like, show the world that,
because I've seen some little glimpses of what you guys are doing with that,
and that's some, like, next-level shit, bro.
Like, when it comes β and what you were talking about is, like, the next generation.
I'm a lot older than you, Walker.
You're saying you're 26, bro.
You're a fucking baby.
What are you talking about?
Dude, dial up, bro.
I remember β dude, I remember going on LimeWire and downloading a song for, like,
three, three and a half days, and then when you play it,
it's just, like, some dude moaning or something.
I remember those days.
You don't know nothing about that.
But anyway, like, my kid β I have a 10-year-old son, right?
And he is, like, so in-tuned with what is happening with technology
to a point where, like, I literally ask him shit.
Like, when I'm β anything I do, I go straight to my 10-year-old,
and I'm like, what do you think of this?
Can you understand this?
Is this easy?
And it's crazy that, like, that's the generation, right, that's coming up,
that's going to get all of this stuff.
Like, the 10-year-olds now, they're going to be 15, 16 in a few years,
in the next few bull cycles,
and they're going to be the guys running shit, right?
And it's, like, the transition is β it's here, right?
It's just the kids β it's so easy for them in that age range.
And I think, like, the next step is what you guys are doing as far as,
like you said, like, branding, right?
And I just can't wait for you guys to show that shit to the world.
It's getting there, bro.
It's really β
Oh, yeah.
Can't wait.
Yeah, I've got the β
I just got the β
Like, we have a bunch of versions regarding, like, desktop or mobile,
but I do have the newest version of the app.
I'll show it to you in Vegas.
Yeah, it's, like, from what you saw last time,
it's a night and day difference on track.
Yeah, I was just wondering.
Are you guys, like β
Do you guys have, like, a kind of a timeframe that you guys are looking at
as far as, like, you know, putting out the beta or whatever?
Do you guys β have you guys β
Are you guys just kind of β
I'll let Walker kind of jump on that one.
Yeah, no, man.
It's a great question.
And, you know, honestly, we're very fortunate.
You know, our parent company is the largest direct response media agency in the country.
So, they focus, you know, on linear and OTT, like, television, Hulu, specialize in celebrity endorsements.
And so, there's a very, like, out β a long-term outlook on the branding and marketing opportunity within this space
and, like, the digitization of media slots.
It's β I won't get too far in it, but we see a huge play there.
But still, like, you know, with what we're doing, we've quantified the metrics in which we feel like we can go to the market with a sustainable launch.
And we have a very long-term outlook and a very bullish outlook on this space.
But the reality is today, if we came out and introduced, you know, a bunch of NFTs, you know, it's probably β it's not the time.
We're going to devalue the technology.
A hundred percent agree.
And the innovation that we've built.
So, currently, we're really, like, strategizing on how we can introduce this technology in a way where the consumer can have, you know, a really good experience.
And we can create, you know, a very understandable, like, timeline and roadmap and evolution of our company.
So, I'm very confident in the next couple of months we're going to be ready to introduce that to the space and to really define exactly what a launch looks like for us.
Because, dude, we've been building this thing for two years.
You know, and we knew it going in.
Like, we weren't naive in the fact that, hey, this is probably the top.
We believe in this.
We're willing and we're ready to build through the bear.
And that's exactly what we're doing.
And we're going to do β we're going to introduce this technology when the time's right in a great way.
From what I β you know, the advice I have, obviously, is because I've been in the game for a long time.
And when you have a product that's, like, what you guys have and what you've been building that's, you know, innovative and a massive project, right?
Let's not beat around the bush.
This is, like, a big, big project, you know.
So, like, timing in the market is literally 95% of everything, right?
If you time things correctly and you have a really good product, that shit can fly.
You can have a piece of shit product with good timing and it can fly.
But you could have a great product and you mistime it and it will tank.
So, like, timing, I think, is more important than anything in this crypto market.
And especially when you have a monster like you guys have, like β and trust me, because I've been building all through the bear market, too, right?
And I'm finished with the game I've done.
I'm waiting right now.
Like, my entire team is waiting.
We're like, okay, it's done now.
It took us about 18 months to build.
And now it's a waiting game.
And we're not going to rush anything.
We're going to wait for the right time and we're going to launch and we're going to do it right.
And that's just kind of from experience, right?
Because I've been a part of projects that have done the opposite.
They've launched at the wrong time with a great product.
And it's very depressing what can happen in a bear market if you don't launch correctly.
So, I think you guys are doing it right, man.
And you know what I mean?
Just keep it up, bro.
It's awesome.
That's why, like Jess said, it's like the in-person stuff, just getting in front of as many of these community people,
people that already understand Web3 in general, is extremely important right now.
Because as we build, the more touches, it'll make a smoother transition of somebody who might be like,
oh, I remember that app.
Oh, I remember seeing somebody.
Even if they don't remember me, hopefully the impression that I leave with them,
showing them technology they've never seen before,
will be enough that when they see other people talking about it,
or they see us when we're in our sprint towards launch,
and they get a bunch of content thrown in front of them,
that it'll be that extra push for them to go and mint that of tea or become part of our community.
And that's really what I believe my job is.
So, guys, I've got to walk my dog real quick.
I'm going to leave my phone here.
Just give a heads up.
I'll be away.
Yeah, man.
And, dude, Walker, you're like a beast with the TAs, man.
So, I know you're pretty good with, like, understanding the timing of the market.
So, yeah, man.
Hey, guys.
I'm hopping on my flight, but I just want to thank all of you guys.
And thank you for explaining all of that.
And I'm just so grateful to have met you guys.
So, I'll talk to you guys soon.
See you, Jess.
Safe travels.
Bye, guys.
Thanks, Jessica.
I'll see you in Florida.
Hey.
Hey.
All right.
It is, like, you know, TA is, like, such a powerful tool.
And, you know, one of, like, our biggest, like, liability as an individual, as a human,
that's, like, trying to trade the market, is our emotions.
All right.
And it's so funny because that's exactly how the market moves is with human sentiment.
You know, and as bullish as I want to be right now, there's also, you know, for anybody
that hasn't ever looked at it, like, the fear and greed index is an incredible tool, you
know, to understand the psychology of, like, where people are in the market right now.
And, like, you know, you can, you look at the past because the past is really all that
we have to use for the information that we speculate and that we build models around.
But at the same time, the past is no true indication of the future.
Right.
And I'm, like, I'm, you know, again, like, I talked about all this inflation.
Right.
I mean, the past three years, we've seen over 15% inflation here in the U.S.
Right.
And in many places globally, it's much more astronomical than that.
And it's like, well, you know, with this type of inflation, how do we honestly even see
a future of economic prosperity, you know, for anyone really in the current standing?
Because every country in the world except six hold the U.S. dollar in their global reserves
to back up the value of their local currency.
And what I believe is going to happen is I think that artificial intelligence, robotics,
and machine learning are going to put us into the most deflationary time in human history.
I can see the price of goods and services over the next 20 years decreasing by 90 plus percent.
And, you know, there's all these catalysts, though, right, that are so, so hard to comprehend.
And honestly, anybody that says that they have it 100% figured out, they're just a liar.
All right.
So, like, as we move into this, like, more, like, digital age and this more, you know, robust
economic system, you know, because 50 years ago, it was much easier to understand, you
know, like, how the flow of capital would look.
And, you know, you fast forward to today and the government's paying one point something
billion dollars a day in the interest alone on their debt, right?
Like, how could we even get into an economic cycle where we're not printing essentially
infinite money?
And really, the only answer is deflation.
So, with all that being said, it's like, be careful, you know, and really question yourself,
right, you can think something and you can have conviction, but a lot of times I see, like,
the intelligence of an individual is, like, somebody who's able to see and argue both sides
of the conversation at the same time.
And although, like, things are looking good right now in ways, right, in, like, the growth
that we've seen in equities and crypto and, like, we're starting to feel that bullish, but
the reality of the situation is, interest rates are going up, government spending's going
down, right, on the books, like, and they've been funding, right, they were talking about
quantitative tightening and they've still been printing money through all this shit.
And it's probably, in my opinion, likely to continue, but just be careful because the fear
and greed index, we're at extreme greed right now, right?
We were just talking about how we're in a bear market and we're already back at extreme
greed with interest rates, you know, relatively high, inflation through the fucking roof.
So, yeah, you know, just be careful and realize, you know, black swan events can happen.
They've happened numerous times without crypto and be prepared for those days because if you
put yourself in a situation to truly be greedy when other people are fearful, you are going
to make the gains that 99% of individuals will never make.
This has been a great space, sunny, pinky, derby, average, all of the homies, thank y'all
so much for being here.
If anybody has any final thoughts or anything they would like to bring up, please feel free.
And if not, I think it's time to shut it down.
We'll see you here next week.
We love you from the Metatope.
We love you from the Metatope.
We love you from the Metatope.
On the weekends, she said you don't want me anymore.
But you don't feel the way you're looking for.
Got me coming down in the deep, and you know that I'll
miss you the most one that we've gained.
That's life in love, resting right through my blood.
I can't sober up.
Don't mind my feelings, you stupid up.
But we don't talk anymore, wish that you'd come.
