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Market Talk: BTC hits 88k! Stocks pump!Alts bounce!? Santa rally!?
Recorded: Dec. 19, 2025 Duration: 1:35:01Space Recording
Short Summary
In a recent Market Talk session, crypto enthusiasts discussed the current trends and growth indicators in the market, highlighting the S&P 500 nearing all-time highs and the stablecoin sector's robust performance. However, concerns about low volatility and potential market declines were also raised, emphasizing the need for strategic positioning as 2026 approaches.
Full Transcription
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This terrible silence stops me
Now that the war is through with me
I'm waking up again
Now I see that this night was little to me.
Nothing is still okay.
Now, for my breath is silent.
For dear, oh, please, God, wake me.
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It's not that I'm always real.
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I'm taking my sight, taking my speech, taking my hearing, taking my arms, taking my legs,
taking my soul, making my life in hell. Thank you. music Thank you. so Music yo what's going on brother brother josh brother prometheus people in the audience what is going on welcome back to
market talk brought to you by bb my name is wabi man i'm glad there's at least uh some price action
to the upside to end off the week below 90 points from its 6,900.
I think it hit like 6,920.
I think that's the current all-time high for the S&P.
We also have the Qs closing in on the week at 6,17, close to 6,17.
So they're basically a couple of points away on the queues
from hitting new all-time highs.
So equities are doing okay to end off the week.
We're also seeing a tiny, tiny, tiny bounce.
I'm not sure if this is actually like a bounce
that you can compare to the equity markets.
I mean mean you still
have solana um just looking abysmal despite the pump um i mean maybe this is like a short coverage
honestly um for for for the crypto asset class uh you do have some action going on on chain so
small wave of breadth in crypto and i know breadth is something that i use a lot
here on the show but i mean damn man at least we're getting some volatility that's uh that
that's something that i like to see whether to the upside or the downside just just volume in
this space get people excited whether they're bullish or bearish um just a bunch of just a bunch of uh
trash went on yesterday there was really nothing much going on in market this entire week was
basically just like a bunch of zigzaggy wonky price action but i mean to be told uh for the
bulls at least you do want to see some follow-through above $90k.
I think that would honestly ignite a spark of even more breadth in the crypto market.
We do have that 6.7 coin.
It actually broke through $30 mil today.
So as far as on-chain, we'll see if that ends up being, I guess, some light of hope.
But you actually want to see nine-figure runners, not these like coins with such low ceilings.
But guys, just welcome back to Market Talk, as I said.
Hope you're all doing okay.
We have Christmas coming up in a couple of days.
And I think now is the time to kind of just relax for a bit
and honestly just wait for the new year.
I'm sure a lot of you guys aren't really going to be trading
during that time period.
And I'm sure 2026 is going to be quite the interesting year,
whether you're bullish, whether you're bearish.
I think there's going to be a lot of volatility.
We do have a lot of stuff happening within the next six months we have a new fed chair coming in
probably more interest rate cuts to be honest especially with unemployment creeping up the way
that it is i wouldn't doubt that the fed actually cuts more than once um here over the next six
months i know they're only projected to cut one
more time I think it's sometime in April right before Powell leaves but if you
have unemployment that's probably going to hit over five percent then we all
know what happens when that occurs and we went over that at length on
yesterday's space which by the way guys if you did at length on yesterday's space, which, by the way, guys, if you did miss out on yesterday's spaces, if you guys missed out on yesterday's market talk, I would suggest that you guys tune in.
That was a great show. It was actually a mega space. We actually had some of our usual numbers here on market talk that we hit pretty consistently back when we started 4 30 p.m
est 4 45 p.m est we would regularly have like 800 plus people thousand plus people back to back
uh and this new time i mean i'm glad at least there are some people that uh that are tuning
in during this new time but that 4 30 time man will always be goaded to me man
uh those spaces will go on until like 8 p.m 9 p.m est but like with all things guys uh we adjust
adjust and i also see louis here in the audience i'll send him an invite to speak but as usual
guys on fridays uh i do like to bring some of you up here to talk some shop. I know yesterday some of you guys wanted to come on up,
but we just had way too many people up on the panel
and did not have time to extend the space as I typically do most of the time.
But we went on for about three hours.
It was a great discussion.
But if you guys want to come up, talk shop, give your thoughts on the market,
just click that mic button to the bottom left, and I'll bring you right on up.
And we won't even have to wait until the end of the show.
I'll just bring you on up immediately.
But I got Josh up here, got Prometheus up here.
We're also going to have AfroDuck come up later up on the show.
I haven't heard from him here on the show in a minute.
So, guys, before we officially get started and we begin our yap
session, if you guys can go ahead and do me a solid favor by showing some love to the space.
And you might be asking, Wabi, you're always saying this. You're always saying,
show some love to the space, yada, blah, blah, blah. You're getting too far ahead of your skis,
Wabi. You're always saying, show some love to the space. How can I do that?
How exactly can I show my love to the space?
Well, I've got the answer to that.
I've got the answer to questions that some people don't even know how to ask.
So, guys, best way you can show your support is by clicking the Spaces tab.
Once you guys do that, right above our profile pictures, pictures up on the nest up on that little box
you'll see a nice link that says x.com slash i slash spaces so we got btc hitting 88k once again
um stocks within a hair of uh going into price discovery again crypto acting like the ugly stepchild but is this uh
just another small complacency bounce for the crypto market or is this the start of the santa
rally could we actually see eath hit 3600 by the end of the year could we see btc actually end the year off in the green which i do believe
the uh yearly close would have to be i think above i think above 95 uh to actually have um
like a two percent one and a half percent uh end of year gain in the in the green and you compare it to like silver silver's up well over
100 gold is up a ton as well against btc year to date and uh truth be told i i would actually like
to see the year close green even if it's by only one percent i want to see at least one percent for
uh for the yearly close feel free to give some of your
comments guys that you think btc is gonna end off the year in the green by at least one percent dude
right i'm gonna have to cut off at least one of my notes dude yeah man this uh this year has been quite abysmal for crypto, to be honest.
Very abysmal.
I don't even think we had a single billion-dollar runner for altcoins.
I think only Kida reached that valuation, but that was FDV.
We didn't hit a single coin that actually went to billions.
And Pump already launched that billion, so that doesn't count.
Maybe Aster.
Aster is probably one that we can point to.
But that trade, man, was so fast.
Like, Aster did not give anyone a single entry.
I think within, like, a week or something think within like a week or something just over a week aster went from like
18 cents 17 cents all the way to like almost three dollars uh that was probably like
the biggest crime pump uh in the entire crypto market like ever ever trade rain rain kind of
was more i still think that was insider as hell too, but that was, I think
that reached 2 billion.
That was like early summer, I think.
What was it called?
RAIN.
They're a decentralized prediction platform.
They got like acquired, but the chart is, uh, if I'm not mistaken, it's up like 20x this
year.
I didn't trade it or anything.
I just remember there's like a fat green line from some purchase back in uh november or something it was like last month i think
nah dude i've i never heard of rain i thought you were talking about rain bet
for a split no i mean close might as well be dude everybody's going to the predictions
yeah i think i think prediction markets uh actually stole um a lot of the uh new
liquidity that would have gone into all coins i think polymarket the statistics for polymarket
um they have like five times they have like five times more visitors than like the top gambling websites um they have way more
visitors and users than than hyper liquid and it's so weird because like polymarket is built
on an eth l2 which is so weird man they're built on polygon um i think that shows that you can actually have an app in crypto built on a chain
and the native token doesn't even have to do well at all whatsoever uh hyper liquid was initially
built on arbitrum and uh that doesn't that doesn't mean that the Arbitrum token has to do anything.
Or Robin has won 500 equities on Arbitrum, not even a single percentage move.
Yeah, because Arbitrum is nothing more than a governance token.
And I think people need to know that with a lot of these projects, protocols, whatever you want to call them,
they always have two rounds to raise. They have a token round, and then they have an equity round.
And that is where the money is made, in the equity round. Binance had an equity round, I think, like late 2018, early 2019.
And nobody really cared about BNB at all whatsoever.
It wasn't until like, I think Q2 2019 after that round, Binance shoved like a ton of that money into the BNB token.
But it's two separate businesses.
Same thing with PumpFun.
They have two raises. But it's two separate businesses. Same thing with PumpFun.
They have two raises.
The token raise, which almost everyone was able to get into,
if you were active, you got a DM,
or you could have participated on the public ICO,
which, I mean, the public ICO,
if you scaled in at that price, you're down like 50 plus percent um but the equity that's that's
where the investors make money the equity round of pump fund um they have a lot of money generated
from that all those fees you're basically you're basically harvesting fees and those fees are
generated via volume of course a lot most of it most of it is generated when the market is going to the upside.
And, you know, I've got my theory on PumpFun.
If they actually survive this small period in the market and they end up being fruitful and they're still around as a launch as a launchpad platform.
And they're actually like the token is actually still around.
If Solana goes to the price discovery by a large amount, as well as ETH, as well as Hype and all the others, the pump probably goes to like 10 cents.
It probably goes to like 15, 20 bill FDV where Sui went.
20 bill fdv uh where suey went i think suey actually went to like 30 and i mean we all know
I think Sui actually went to like 30.
man like solana's main product is pump fun it it it just is uh without pump fun i don't i don't even
know what there is to do on soul because you can buy nfts anywhere use defy in any chain like defy is no longer
innovative i think the next step for defy would probably be like an etf of sorts and at some
point before trump leaves office i think that product is probably going to go live and uh
yeah man josh what's going on man if you're free to speak right now, what are your thoughts going into going into December wasn't really looking that great.
And here we are about to make another all time high.
We're basically within a hair of making an all time high.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, my head's kind of everything you just start off with.
The introduction is like, you know, it's been quite surreal to watch just where the transition of these markets have pushed us towards.
You know, you haven't seen those traditional billion dollar runs.
And I would actually, you know, while we haven't seen the billion dollar runners in the crypto market, we've still seen billion dollar runners and like blockchain adjacent runners,
which is like the tokenization plays that companies like JP Morgan are doing on the back end where I think there's a very sad reality that people need to wake up to in 2026. And it's just back to what I've referred to the last few
months here is the one, I would say the traditional way projects have raised money,
specifically in the crypto scene over the course of the last 15 years, since the birth of it,
with 2017's bull run with all the ICO booms, 2021 with all the ICO booms, was based
off companies trying to solve that blockchain trilemma, trying to solve decentralization,
security, and scalability.
And what we kind of developed into is a world that now has multiple solutions and tons and
tons of proof that you can launch a product or an app on one of these networks now that
are very, very important. You know, building Cardano, building Solana, building Ethereum, building all these
layer ones, Polymarket, Polygon, et cetera, were actually a very integral part of advancing
technology and cryptography. What we've just organically seen is what the institutional
wave that's come into this market is, these apps that are being built on these chains, they don't actually have any real effect into the
value of the token, especially if these ecosystems have been built off inflationary mechanisms with
no deflationary mechanics and no revenue buybacks or any revenue generation through fee mechanics.
And what seemed like we were going to see early on where these companies are keeping
low fees on purpose to onboard, obviously, developers and users to use these ecosystems,
it actually shot themselves in the foot.
It painted themselves into a corner.
Because all that happened was J.P. Morgan, all these institutions, and even companies
like Polymarket, Polymarket may come out and just end up launching their own L2.
They may end up selling out for billions of dollars to a large scale competitor.
We have no idea.
But what we've seen is these institutions and these banks, they know that blockchain makes an incredible amount of money.
And specifically, there's two industries that are popping off right now.
And they're very subtle.
Well, one's not as subtle as the other.
But the stablecoin industry, all-time highs, specifically even on Polygon.
And Polygon, while the tokens in the gutter and retail holders are stuck holding the bag,
the treasury is printing just hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars off stablecoin transactions and fees on the annual basis. Same thing with any of these
stablecoin providers. You can look at what the
base ecosystem is doing without even a token. But they're making so much just off their circle
investments, everything they do with Coinbase now adding and integrating their own prediction
markets, which of course is number two, is the prediction markets. And so tokenization ended up
what was once being a kind of super bullish thought from retail on institutions finally entering the market
and ended up being the very opposite. It was institutions coming into the market,
but tokenizing all these new artificial intelligence layers and tools that ended
up just absorbing the retail liquidity to launch their own products. And so now we're at a point
where I think you're going to start seeing
the pinnacle players. Coinbase, you saw Brian Armstrong come out with Anatoly from Solana
here today and just post a picture. I'm like, I like Solana. There's obviously going to be very,
very big winners for this, but I'd be very, very skeptical or cautious on if a lot of these L1s or
L2s can actually even retain an all-time high. And it's not that they're
a bad ecosystem. It's just now I believe you're going to start watching new competition pop up
that understands that decentralization doesn't matter. What matters is attention. Attention is
the entire currency today. And if you can capture that attention through a tokenized product in the
ecosystem, you're eliminating all the traditional payment rails, all the middleman partners,
and you're taking and absorbing all that transactional volume, which
is why, you know, with Polymarket, they're a prime example.
They're the leading predictions market.
They're not even the U.S.
It's very interesting how they were pushed out of the U.S. and now CalSheet's coming
DraftKings just launched there as Coinbase is part of CalSheet.
And you have even, I think it was Charles Schwab's CEO talking about how they might open up predictions as well if the market needs it in 2026. And what that simply
means is they're already actively pursuing building their own prediction tools and sets
for their own users because all they give a shit about for the fiduciary shareholders is the
transactional volume that's starting to occur. And so moving into 2026, I think it's not that, you know, crypto is dead.
I think there's this huge, no one's talking about crypto on our For You pages anymore.
It's all predictions.
It's all equities.
It's NASDAQ.
It's tech companies.
It's Elon Musk pushing the trillion dollar sector.
I think it's 100% going to be the Texas Stock Exchange with all your space companies,
all the tokenization, specifically in the energy sector. There's going to be a huge rush to be in the first
exawatt provider company in the world, which arguably is going to be the first $10 trillion
industry to compete with not only China, but take over a lot of your satellite
energy sectors that can allow us to advance all of our AI models and systems.
And at the end of the day, what's really,
really sad about this is while this is amazingly bullish for all the technology, all the tokenization,
all of the cryptography, retail has got to get stuck in this endless cycle of buying more and
more subscriptions. And so it's kind of like big tech came into the industry and definitely made
it better in a lot of ways, but it's absorbing all the retail liquidity because if retail doesn't sign up for these subscriptions and use those products, they're not going
to be competitive in the workforce.
And that is, I think, the structural shift that we're starting to enter into 2026, which
is a very interesting moment in these cycles.
Josh, talking about prediction markets, who do you think is going to win the fight
um Jake Paul or Anthony Joshua I got $37 on Jake Paul uh just to say I won if he uh
if he takes off but dude I I don't know I don't want to be the guy that says if Jake Paul
wins this fight it confirms these fights are rigged because everybody said that about every
single fight but dude when you saw him on stage with, and it's like so crazy that it's Joshua versus Jake.
That's my two Jewish-ass names here.
Dude, he's got like an eight-inch reach on this dude.
It's David versus Goliath.
So I have no idea.
I think it's more of a WWE match than anything tonight.
Yeah, I mean, I think Polymarket has odds that it's actually going to
be a draw that is a big boy like jake paul is not a small man i think he's like six foot five
eleven something like that yeah and i don't want to discredit that dude's a beast man he's been
he's an nba 510
what was that anthony anthony joshua it's a it's's an NBA 510 is that what you know no no no
not not Anthony Joshua Jake Paul is an NBA 510 oh yeah oh my goodness I mean Jake Paul is like 5'5
no I think he's like 6'5 yeah Yeah, yeah. Dude, I actually met him.
He's an average height man.
And the thing is, yeah, Anthony Joshua is a freak of nature.
Jake Paul was literally shitting his pants on stage.
He literally couldn't even look him in the eyes.
Yeah, it's going to be an interesting fight, man.
He's going to make a bag out of it.
I think Jake has only lost one fight
and um i mean odds odds are leaning towards like more of a more of a draw but uh man prometheus
what are your thoughts man like you know we have eth up almost eight percent same thing with solana
um i mean to me this just seems like short covering man and um yeah the thing is as bullish
as i want to be like we actually need to see the indices gap up to the usual like five to eight
percent above their previous high before crypto has like any actual massive expansion yeah i i agree i
think you're seeing today a lot of unwind that we've built up throughout the week and the
interesting thing is we've been stuck between monday highs and monday lows the entire time
like nothing has actually happened so like i hate to be a chud jack, you know, but it's like nothing has happened this week.
Like we've literally been stuck
between Monday highs and Monday lows
and you've just been getting, you know,
shorts and longs just cream pied on New York Open.
It's craziness.
Like it is absolute craziness.
And I think today is more of subsequent fact of
an unwind from shorts we saw yesterday um you know probably shorts taking profits into
the you know boj announcement last night and as well as shorts getting overly excited down at the
lows um you know big oi oi again this morning, or big increase in OI
rather. Not a lot of actual buying going on, more so like what it seems like is borrowed conviction
and just another, you know, just some shenanigans. If I were to look for, you know, what I would like to see as a bull is, you know, accept above 89.1 and then see how we react out of 90.7.
If you can start getting some, you know, lower time frame, you know, bullish acceptance and, you know, trend to lower time frame trending higher above that 90.7 region, you're then going to be going for range highs at 94. You know, it's all kind of contingencies right now. I don't think structurally the high
timeframe low we set in at 80, what 80, literally like 80.5 is significant at all. I don't think the
structural lows we've been putting in over the past month have been are significant at all.
You do have to be pretty careful.
It's the yearly performance from Bitcoin is pretty abysmal.
I look at structures on Solana and XRP on the lower time frame, especially.
And there's still very much in, you know, downtrends ever since they tagged their range highs.
Solana, ever since Solana tagged 145 back in the beginning of this month and ever since XRP tagged 221 back at the beginning of this month as well.
And you just got to see buyers step in here in a meaningful way, I think that what you'd want to see is going into the end of the year continuation.
We are in a low volatility environment,
which is why you can have the heightened volatility that we've seen.
Market makers are obviously taking advantage of the lack of volume within the market
and how thin the order books are.
What I would like to see for on-chain, I think it would be really good to see hype, you know, hyperliquid and, you know, hype do well.
I think that continued outperformance from hyperliquid or appreciation by that ticker in particular brings a lot of wealth
to the space and ultimately speaking what we've seen when that does well is some form of on-chain
outperformance because right now i mean you're getting runners up to like maybe like 10 mil
if you're lucky on chain and there's also six seven coin which is like above yeah there's there's like it's so it's so
sparse though i mean if you looked back to the ai trade last year man it was hold on dude don't
don't don't give oh gosh don't oh gosh don't remind me of the ai trade man i don't know
those are not coming back did that those marketing conditions i don't think they're coming back for a long time it's gonna take a while i don't yeah yeah yeah i mean we have the denver broncos listening
i think i think that's i think that's sully's alt account you think so
yeah we might be getting too far ahead of our skis here, though. Hey, I'm a T's fan.
We need to have a BV meme with that, bro.
Just everyone on the team in a meme just skiing or something like that.
Just breaking bones, taking names and breaking bones.
Something like that, man.
Getting too far ahead of our skis.
We should.
We should come out with some merch
like that we should also come out yeah we got a lot of great insider jokes that we could put
on some merch i think would be be pretty awesome dude i don't even think like we're probably gonna
get akita for a long time man and dude i genuinely think that like the few people trading on chain either are probably like
the top 0.1 percent of trading quants like ever um or insider info like there's no there's no in
between this is not q4 of last year and dude it's really difficult for me to like come up with a situation that would ignite such a rally because the AI trading crypto
Was basically the Trump trade. It was like front-running
potential
I guess potential breadth in crypto when Trump was in office and we haven't had that at all this year
Yeah, I mean you had if you remember coming out of 23, I mean, the Nvidia trade,
and I think a lot of crypto bros saw what was happening with the Nvidia trade.
And because that kind of became like this, you know, oh, well now the, you know, the AI trade
is in crypto. And a lot of people were kind of chasing that whole idea and returns.
And things did really well.
I mean, if you're in the AI trade, I mean, it was like every single day,
if not every other day, there was a runner going, you know, 100 mil plus.
I mean, it was relentless, you know, and you could just really honestly, if you got in early enough, and even if the coin wasn't necessarily amazing, I mean, you still captured, you're still able to get great returns for the most part.
But like you said, I don't think it's, you know, we're going to be seeing conditions like that for quite a while.
I mean, you need a big, big injection of liquidity in a meaningful way.
As of right now, it just seems like everything's kind of drying up.
You know, some of the data center plays and equities got a little bit of a short squeeze today.
I mean, CoreWeave was up like 20% today.
today. Still a horrible company. Nothing changes. So yeah, I think for crypto, you just got to see
Still a horrible company.
Nothing changes.
some really large-scale intervention from the Fed or Trump, and then we can get things going again.
Because as we've seen the cycle, just majors putting in significant new highs is not enough.
Right.
It's just not enough.
I mean, it starts to ignite things, but it diminished pretty heavily.
And maybe that's just because people's recency bias of last cycle trying to front run, you know, the whole altcoin trade.
trying to front run, you know, the whole altcoin trade. Maybe it would be like, I don't know,
like Joshua was saying, it was like, we get the exchange in Texas open. And when that opens,
you know, a bunch of, you know, crypto tickers are like listed on that exchange or something.
I don't know, you know, something that's just beyond
what anybody's thinking right now, because when you get that, when you get an event to occur and
it's just out of left field and nobody, nobody knows what's coming. And my pinned tweet on my
profile talks about it, but it's, that's when you get the like largest moves imaginable. You know, nobody expected the Japan carry trader
last year. Nobody expected like the Trump inauguration to, you know, when or when Trump
got an offer, yeah, when Trump got an or was elected, excuse me, nobody expected the unwind
to the upside that we had. Right. When you had October 10th, right? Nobody expected
massive de-pegging and stable coins on Binance, right? So it's just going to have to be something
that's coming out of left field. I think a lot of people, it's going to be really hard to guess
what that is. I think a lot of people are trying to guess what that is. I do think that the charts
and price will let us know that that's happening. I just see a lot of people that are
still very complacent within this market. And that just tells me more and more that the bottom is not
in, you know, and same with even more so in equities, like people in equities are just
completely delusional, in my opinion, because they've just been like lulled into this trance over the past few years and they've done very well. Um, and I just think now, right now is for
more, you know, um, you gotta be a little bit more active in a way for capital preservation.
Um, you know, just because Japan didn't raise rates higher than what was expected, you know, does not mean that there's still not a liquidity crunch anymore.
You know,
they are still very much so in a rate hiking cycle and they're going to
continue to have that hike.
Like Japan is not done by any means.
You know,
the,
the fed is very much so in a rate cutting cycle,
no matter how much Jerome Powell wants to say we're not, you know, and like try to push the ball down the road.
We're still very much in a rate cutting cycle.
And that trade is still very important for markets.
What else?
What else?
What else?
You know, high time frame trades.
We talked about it in the space, I think, two days ago, maybe three days ago. I still think that energy stocks as a whole, Josh Wood touched on that. Commodities, I wouldn't be buying silver here or gold, but more so like continuing to buy the energy stocks, I still think energy is extremely undervalued.
you could look at companies that focus on infrastructure installation, for instance,
right? That could be, or like how are companies that transport energy, right? Or provide the
infrastructure to transport energy. You know, I talked about nuclear, uranium. Yeah, there's a lot
of sectors, in my opinion, that are still very undervalued. And there's a lot of, there's a lot of sectors in my opinion that are still
very undervalued and there's a lot of sectors that are very overvalued.
It's, you know, it's like we took the barbell strategy and, and, you know, it's, it's just
very polar, uh, polarized, uh, market right now, but going into the weekend, right.
And going into the holidays, like I'm not
expecting, you know, anything spectacular from the markets, right. You know, this week has been,
like I said, a pretty stale week. If you zoom out a little bit and aren't focused on the lower
timeframe price action, and I would probably expect more going into the end of the year,
just some like lower timeframe shenanigans and, you know, overall lack of higher timeframe moves. But yeah, man,
I think that 2026 is going to present fantastic buying opportunities. And I think you just have
to be a little bit patient. And I've seen a lot of people think that the bear market is not going to last as long as it does.
So that leads me to believe one of two things, right? And I kind of do, I like to take what
other people have to say into consideration in regards to, you know, overall directionality.
It leads me to believe one of two things. Either we are very, very, very close to a bottom being put in, and we maybe sweep the low at 80K, and that's it.
Or we are going so much lower than people expect, right?
Ted thinks that we go to like 35K, man.
I think it's possible.
I talked about the boomers round tripping the ETF for, what, like 12 months now?
Yeah, isn't that what the QQQ did?
In like 2003, they get one up like three X from 97 or 98 all the way to early 2000.
Then you had that three year bear market.
And 2000, by the way, like even though markets topped in March of 2000,
in the summer of 2000, we were very close to going into price discovery again.
So the thing with equities is that you can distribute for months and months.
You can distribute for months and months. And I know Max was here yesterday and he was saying how there are times where crypto actually front runs equities.
So you could be in a situation where like, as stocks are distributing the people,
people with certain info in stocks that have crypto positions could unwind right and i think that's
why like a lot of the time you yeah you actually see crypto bottoming out before the equity markets
um i even remember in 2022 for the most part the crypto the crypto market had bottomed out
around thanksgiving weekend in 2022 but you had a massive like tech blowout in late december
with uh with certain names where jim kramer was on tv crying regretting that he ever shilled me
dude i forgot about that i forgot yeah oh my god i think you need i think you need that for crypto
like you need i don't know if Tom Lee is ever going to cry.
Or Michael Saylor.
Michael Saylor is too much of a psycho.
Did Michael Saylor
posting that tweet
of him leaving the boat
that was burning on a raft?
Oh, man.
I'm telling you, bro.
They symbolize these things before they happen study aster i'm
i told everybody on this before study cz holding up the number four flashing the number four
i'm telling you it's all symbology they have to let you know
yeah i mean looking back on some tweets same thing with doh kwan calling everyone poor
and then a week later luna just luna just went to like shambles man it seems like any time crypto
has like some sort of uh flywheel vehicle for basically unlimited upside opportunities it always gets messed up man
it always gets messed up right now i i really don't i really don't know micro strategy i i
i mean do you guys ever just think to like you know i think there's also the perspective that
you know people need to stop looking at it as a bear market and more like just the early 2010s,
when you just start dealing with like an intelligent move or a technological move in
the stock market, where it's just this, there's traditional businesses like Sears and Toys R Us,
et cetera, Blockbuster that start going under because just markets advance. And because like
something I like, I think is really, it's not concerning. It just, for example, Coinbase now offering tokenized equities.
It's like that's going to absorb a lot of the retail reach to like Robinhood and these now what were once traditional stock markets that you can only get through products like Robinhood, which I'm sure Robinhood's not too far behind with the, and maybe they already launched that, didn't launch their full launch party two nights ago. But there's also the possibility that we're just moving to a moment where the industry has
matured and you have now what were once traditional stocks tokenizing their equities. And that is as
tradable as a regular crypto, which will pull value from that. So when you look at like,
I'm interested in like, I haven't actually studied that. Maybe Prometheus or someone up here knows that with total three.
Like we know total three is the entire cryptocurrency market cap adjusted against, you know, without Bitcoin and Ethereum.
But it's like, at what point do like total threes and these dominance that exist start to shift as equity start to tokenize if they are are by definition, utilizing different blockchains
and systems and pulling the same liquidity. And that's also something that's very interesting to
pay attention to moving into the Q1. Because it's just like, I think there's so many hidden
pockets that are going to blow up. And I agree with like, there's a lot of industries that
feel topish, or there's like equity partners that are crushing it. I just think we're at a moment
though, where there's like,
you know, everybody's calling AI top now. Everybody's saying Bitcoin, maybe you guys have different circles, but my circles roll. You know, we're expecting lower lows on Bitcoin.
AI is getting close to a top. Elon Musk isn't going to become the first trillionaire. I had
a huge argument with somebody the other day on that. I was like, dude, you're ridiculous. Like
they're literally raising at a $1.5 trillion valuation and he owns 42% of that company, which that might be an injection. So what
I was actually cross-referencing to that was 2019 and Uber or 2020 with the IPO phase and rallies
that had liquidity flow over from traditional markets and it had about a 5% to 6% impact on
high-risk assets. And this was at a time where the Fed just started cutting QT.
There's a lot of similarities between the 2019 bear market and just Bitcoin's bear market
currently that are similar but different in the sense that liquidity isn't necessarily...
It's definitely limited in crypto, but there's still huge cash injections going into very
specific infrastructure plays
in parts in our tokenized markets.
And so I think that just, I guess that's just a question I have for you guys up here is
just like, do you guys also just see this completely shifting?
And this is something I don't think anybody's really talking about where the regular indicators
that we used all the way leading up to today and especially q2 when the nasdaq switches
from a 20 you know a five to five day a week nine nine to five market to 20 or 23 7 every single
indicator we use and look at has to be mathematically changed and altered to catch up with the current day models and systems. Is it 23.7 or 24.5?
You might be correct.
I think I keep getting it mixed up because they chose some stupid ass.
They didn't just make it 24.7.
Let me see.
NASDAQ.
It might be 23.5.
I think it's closed one hour, if I'm not mistaken. Of course.
They have to have after hours so that they can exchange.
Oh, you're right.
It's 23-5.
Oh, okay, great.
Yeah, they have to keep that after hour section.
That is ridiculous.
Yeah, what's happening in that one hour that we can't have access to?
I want to know.
Yeah, that's where all the big boys are exchanging numbers and everything else. I mean, that's anyways.
Yeah, I mean, to your point with a really fascinating chart that everybody should look up is let me find it here real quick.
It is do do do do.
It's personal savings rate.
So ticker PSA VERT.
And if you look at that ticker in particular,
it shows essentially disposable income for households. Like that's essentially what it
is. And disposable income or the personal savings rate right now is lower right now than it was in
2017. Um, which is pretty significant. Right. And I I've talked about this in a few other spaces where we are starting to see a slow adoption from institutions into blockchain, into crypto, into some of the projects that are currently here.
But that doesn't necessarily directly reflect valuation, right?
There's a dislocation between adoption and valuation.
And one of the projects that's done the best that everybody knows the cycle is Hyperliquid. a tremendous, tremendous job at being able to monetize and to bring that monetization
to the actual value accrual of the token itself. And so if you can see if projects are able to do
that, right? And I mean, a big question right now is ETH. Like ETH has done a horrible job at it right one of the worst
one of the worst in in crypto right actually monetizing um and so yes as we move forward and if you look in like 2000 with the ai with the dot-com boom the big question was monetization because very, very few companies were actually monetizing, being able to monetize themselves within the industry.
And right now we're in a very similar spot where you have huge valuations, but very, very little cash flow, right?
And a very, very poor ability to monetize.
But as we exited 2000 and you saw, you know, the air let out of the balloon and values deflate.
Then the quality came to the forefront and they figured out how to do it, how to turn into a cash generating monster.
And then you obviously got, you know, the Googles and then, you know, the Metas and, you know, the Amazons and yada, yada, yada. And the same thing will happen with crypto,
in my opinion. I mean, we might not go exactly through the 2000 to 2008 to 10 period where it
takes as long. But in my opinion, you probably let at some point, we need to let out a lot of air
out of the balloon, um, because it's just like toxic waste.
Right.
And we need to like recenter the industry around quality because we've largely got away
from that this cycle and it will bring tremendous, tremendous opportunity to a lot of people if you're able to still remain optimistic within that time period.
I would be very shocked if we do a transition into what I just talked about without actually cutting off some of the fat.
fat you know generally speaking deflated valuations allow for you know newer participants
or younger generations to create some form of wealth due to cyclical natures which is a good
thing um though the government has largely tried to stem the tide of you know uh cycles
but uh crypto yes i mean it has a place in future. And there's a lot of talks right now
about quantum. I mean, we could go down that rabbit hole. But truthfully speaking, you're
just going to create more ingenuity. If there's ever an issue or there's ever a potential issue,
and I'm sure people are working on it right
now where the ingenuity and the genius will come to the forefront and it'll solve the issue,
right? Because that's what it's about. It's about ever evolving, you know, ingenuity and innovation.
And that's the beauty about crypto. And it's trying to find its, you know, itself. It's trying to find itself and fit itself into the box or the mold.
It's just we're molding it right now, and it's taking time.
And a lot of people don't have the patience to really be able to see that or the foresight to see that.
Afro, what's up, bro?
Feel free to chime in, man, for the conversation.
Welcome, brother Afro.
How are you, man?
It's been a minute.
Afro Duck, are you there?
Sorry about that.
You kept rugging me for a second.
My bad.
How are you, sir?
How are you, man? Let's for a second my bad. How are you sir? How are you man?
Let's get on that call tonight. They promise it'll happen. It'll happen. It'll happen. Yeah
No, let me yesterday. No, you're good. Let me turn off this alarm real quick
Did I actually met aster hall
Yesterday Actually, dude, I actually met Aston Hall yesterday at the gym.
Aston Hall, bro.
Wait.
The dude, the fitness guy, bro.
The 4 a.m. routine guy, bro.
Oh, for real?
Yeah. Like the Saratoga water guy, that guy?
Yeah, bro.
So basically what happened is I saw him doing uh some chest flies and uh
dude so you only you won't even you won't even believe it dude man i can't stand dogs sometimes
man small dogs are always like the loudest um yeah gosh dude i hear that don't worry yeah yeah it's it's it's it's unreal um some people
should actually not own dogs to be honest like they just should not i i i actually think like
before you adopt uh or you purchase from like you know one of those breeder shops i think you
actually need to be checked for competency.
Cause that's a life that you're looking after.
And some of these people are just unhinged, but anyways, man.
So what happened was I was in the middle of my squat session and I had to use
the bathroom and I'm like, ah, great. What do you know?
I actually have to, I have to set like 10
minutes aside and whatever. So I'm walking back to the squat rack, dehydrated. And then I see,
uh, I see him doing chest flies and I, and you know, I stick out my hand and I'm like, yo,
uh, we got to make another 10,000. Right. Cause you know, that's like his, his, uh,
make another 10 000 right because you know that's like his his uh his term right oh you just made
a congratulations on uh on on making 10 000 on your first 10 000 day we got to make another 10
000 so i told him that right and uh by then his eyes lit up and i'm like aston hall and um yeah
and then we started uh talking about the word and we spent like half an hour
talking about the word and um some other things yeah some other things happened too which i have
to i have to keep it to myself but um yeah yeah last night was actually quite quite eventful man but um dude how's uh how's it looking like in your
eyes man going into uh the end of the year i mean not not much is going on in crypto it's just kind
of like these small trades that happen here and there like people are actually scalping on chain
and that has gotten dude there's nothing there's nothing to write on it's it's only
it's only like a select few names but their ceilings are so low that like you really don't
know if it's just gonna go up by like 80 30 and it's like damn dude like we're scalping on chain
this never happens usually with on chain it's just like a steady grind up followed by a steady grind down
and that's it there's never like much distribution at all um especially when majors are the way they
are right now yeah i mean look i'm i've i've been cashed out basically since, for sure, since mid-November, 100%, definitely before Thanksgiving.
And there is absolutely, I'm not even paying attention to anything on chain.
IRL business is booming.
I'm three for four on a lot of projects that i'm doing and i'm getting
literally wrapping up some stuff right now to get a contract for power generation for a data center
in texas so um you know and this is a two-year two-year project so it's pretty good um yeah
and um there's some other stuff happening as well that i'm waiting on so i mean in traditional
irl stuff you know things are great um or they're looking up at least to where you know it's gonna
be a very good year and um when it comes to crypto i mean it's just there's the the the soul has been sucked out of crypto. And and in terms of like, there's no.
No one's out there, you know what I mean?
No one making a move, no one's making plays.
And really, it's like it kind of feels like every man for himself.
You know what I mean?
Feels like most crypto people are just on an island somewhere.
And, you know, there's, you know know we're we reached out to trad fi and
trad fi came in to pump us up all last year and now we're feeling uh we're feeling the dumpiness
of of you know everybody in trad fi not really um liking uh crypto for what it is um which is you
know both good and bad i i am i'm really just waiting for two things when you guys were talking
about you know potential catalysts the only thing that I could think of maybe is if the Supreme Court rejects Trump's authority to do tariffs.
That could be a catalyst.
I hope that happens, man.
Yeah, we would full send. We would full send because everyone would just say, okay, well, you know, global trade is now free to roam around the cabin without the fear of Trump saying tariffs, 10%, 20%, 30% arguing with everybody about all this stuff. So I don't know how it goes.
um the other point that being said is like we're i think i was looking at debt spending and i think
we're doing like a like a trillion every couple of months at this point now so it's kind of
like we're going to be printing so you know if we're going to be printing a whole bunch of money
and you know they're going to be dialing up the the money printer you know assets are going to go
up in in in terms of usd value So, will, you know,
the metals will obviously catch that
and I think Bitcoin
and the key majors will as well.
But the other point
that I was trying to say was
I'm hoping that all of this
leads to a massive deleveraging event
and a massive,
I'm just going to call it
the dumpage to end all dumpage but
on all these shit coins and stupid l2s that nobody uses um all these things need to like die and
consolidate into uh like tokens that actually do something right so i think that the time of you
know uh launch this l1 and you have a chain it's going to do an airdrop or launch this L2.
That's an L2 of an L3.
And it's an L7 squared or whatever the heck they're trying to pedal nowadays.
And they're getting all this money from these VCs who, you know, raise because it's going to be the next Hot Tamale.
And then it's going to be a unicorn or whatever.
All this stuff is, I think it's going to be a thing of it's still going to
happen obviously but it's really largely a thing of the past i think and i hope because i hate the
amount of dilution that has you know happened really in in the crypto space uh especially
over the last four years um it's been pretty bad so you know if we have i think you have like tezos right if you
remember xtz um i think they have i think like i forgot how much bitcoin and they're uh that's
basically like why they're valued so high because the people who own that blockchain have bitcoin
as like you know a store value or that's like list, you know, that's what they own. So there's a couple of other like key protocols that just own Bitcoin and they
use that to prop up their valuation of their own chains.
I'm like, it doesn't even like, it doesn't work that way.
No one's going to use your stuff.
You know, you have people on SWE, you know, getting 38% APR, APR,
I forgot what it was.
They're farming on it, but it's just massive dilution at the end
of the day. So I don't know, man. I'm glad I'm checked out. Honestly, it has been a blessing
not to, on top of all the other things that I already have to worry about, you know, and everyone
else does, like, I'm blessed to know that I achieved one of my long-term goals, you know, to be debt-free.
And like, I'm just gearing up and going on to the next one, right?
So we're going to see what happens.
Hopefully these, I think that's the only catalyst personally, is this Trump tariff thing happening or not happening.
If they reject the tariffs and we full send,
that could happen sometime in April, May.
So, yeah.
You don't think new stock exchange liquidity or tax returns?
I mean, it's cool.
I think it's great and i honestly do think
it's a good thing that they've launched that exchange in dallas i mean um what it does i mean
you're a smarter man than me to be honest but to know what that does on a macro level because i'm
just honestly man i'm just looking at at crypto uh with ethereum and and bitcoin and and i'm not
smart enough to look around everywhere everywhere to see what
affects what as far outside like these big macro things where are you launching your data center
if you don't mind me asking it's not my data center dude if i if it was my data center like
i'd be flying to wabi like every weekend going to miami and we rent a yacht and so um or buy one but no this uh this data center it's being built in the
middle of texas um it's in a town called garwood yeah no it makes it makes complete sense it's uh
yeah it's interesting out there i mean they're getting huge deregulation so it's gonna be really
cool to see i mean we won't really know what happened still probably about q2 but uh with paul atkins coming out and being like yo we're not going to give a shit if you launch a token
and then all these ai and tech companies like coinbase even just relocated their headquarters
in texas and then every data center that i've uh like i've been associated to like it everything's
in texas that's where all the oil all the energy all the development is so it's gonna Texas. That's where all the oil, all the energy, all the development is. So it's going to be a, it could be an interesting year, but I would agree.
It's a big move. I mean, I completely agree with you. I mean, it's going to be a big move.
And I think, but I also think that, well, like people like Coinbase or they're just playing it smart.
They're like, I can't stay in California. You know what I mean?
I'm surprised Kraken hasn't moved there, hasn't moved their, you know, headquarters from San Francisco over to here as well.
You know, I'm a pretty huge proponent of Kraken just because they're the least gay out of all the exchanges.
But, I mean, I think, I mean, you'd be, they'd be a fool, you know, business-wise not to do that, right?
So, if I was them, I would definitely just move over to where the taxes are lower.
So, you know, your bottom line gets lower as well.
And, you know, you get to keep more of that money either for the, your shareholders,
shareholders, or you just, you know, put that back into investing and making your product better,
which I'm not sure Coinbase is doing because they need a lot of help.
We still haven't seen any up only. And their stock or what are you looking for?
No, no. Up only TV with Kobe. I forgot about that. Oh my God.
Yeah. He just, he casually got like, you know, 400 million and kind of just
started being a glorified, uh being glorified customer service representative.
Yeah, man, I don't think there's ever going to be a Kobe again, dude.
And you look at like this cycle compared to the last cycle.
I think like, I mean, just take a look at some of the growth numbers, man.
I mean, people that would post
here in 21 2020 would skyrocket and now it's like you barely see any like newer profiles that have
like over 200k followers and all that stuff like chader xl dude xl made his following during that
bull market with things like kusama polka dot last cycle was something
else bro you had so many like flourishing ecosystems and like this cycle was just pump
and space man hyper liquid had had so many opportunities to become something great as far as on-chain tickers.
I think the only ones that actually did well was Pip.
HFun was another one.
I think they also had a Launchpad.
I forgot what it was.
It was the one that Ansem showed.
That one went to like almost 100 mil so i think hyper liquid at some point will have a billion dollar runner on chain
and when that happens we're talking about memes i'm talking about like real stuff i'm talking
about like actual you know defi if hyper liquid doesn't man then you know it did but you're
absolutely right still i mean i mean
solana solana had orca and if you look at the orca chart i think orca literally went up like 200 300
from the bottom orca was like probably one of uh the cycle's top gainers um well we we saw what
happened in 2024 and we were all so busy making money that we forgot to
sell it all right so uh it happens man it happens and you know it happened to me i'd be a in a much
different position if i would have sold all my ai 16z at the at you know at 2 billion but it is
what it is we learned from it and there's going to be another one. The greatest thing about, you know, markets in general, not just crypto.
And you've said it yourself plenty of times.
There's always a bull market somewhere.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Orca went from 30 cents to nine bucks, man.
It didn't go into price discovery, but it went from 30 cents to nine bucks.
That's a massive move, man.
Pretty huge. from 30 cents to nine bucks that's a massive move man um pretty huge but if you look at solana dude
solana went from eight bucks to three hundred dollars in two years in 24 months that's a massive
gain dude um gosh dude my goodness as far as ai16z maybe in27, I think there's going to be an opportunity like that.
In 2027, either 27 or like, I think the earliest man Q4 of next year, like the next time we'll see something like an AI 16 Z.
And people think that that trade was like so, so clear when it really wasn't because i remember when goat came out dude
i coped about goat until it went to like 300 million dude i thought it was like a flat-out
scam and that crypto ai on soul wasn't going to be a thing it wasn't until that pullback that goat had
um from like 600 mil down to 300 mil if you remember
that's when i was like all right this thing didn't go to zero there might be some opportunity here
um and then i saw zerebro i saw zerebro at like i think i saw it at like 10 mil 11 mil
yeah i mean that's how I got into Zerebro.
And then Zerebro had a huge mega pump.
It went to like 60, 70 mil.
And I'm like, damn, dude.
Like, this thing might actually be something.
And, dude, people like to clown on it.
But, like, dude, look at how Popcat looks right now.
Look at With, look at Bonk, look at Pepe.
Like, it's all the same thing, dude.
And I think people forget that, like, dude, when Zerebro launched that rap album, dude, like, it was lit, man.
Everyone was having fun.
It was probably, like, one of the most fun times I've ever had in crypto, man.
It was fun.
I mean, honestly, I'll be the most fun I had with this was NFT summer.
2021 and 2022 when I was helping out at the Saudis NFT.
That was honestly.
That's when we met, bro.
That's when i gave you
the meme coin thesis like right before ftx blew up i'm like bro i was gonna go the vibes were
immaculate man the vibes were immaculate they were just good but you know we can't be these
these crypto unks thinking about the past days and how we have to go back to that
that's the same thing that everybody,
everybody does.
And the people who do it,
the people who do that,
yeah,
they,
they never make it.
Exactly.
They lose their edge,
bro.
And that's like probably the worst thing that you can do,
man,
lose your edge,
man.
The moment you lose your edge on chain,
it's over for you like it's actually over
for you yeah and and part of that edge man like as much as people don't want to agree with it
there's there comes a day where you have to let go of your favorite ticker like if you have a
favorite ticker right now chances are in a month or two you you're going to have to take it off of your watch list, dude.
You're going to.
Like, dude, Zarebro was like my top.
You know what, Ticker, is that for me now, dude?
Dolomite.
Yep.
Dolomite.
I love it.
I know the founders, they are extremely smart people.
And I think in the long term, if they play their cards right, they'll be okay.
But, you know, the Trump thesis Is dead
No one likes Trump right now
No one's gonna like Trump
For a good reason
He's screwed over
All the crypto people who
Put him in office
With his stupid tariff stuff
And, you know
All this other stuff is happening not to get super
you know political and whatnot but uh he just he kind of just screwed his base over in that area
so now like if you know that dolomite is associated with world liberty phi in any way you know you
can't expect that this guy's gonna do you know he's gonna pump something if he pumped something
it would have been in 2024 right before the elections right so or right after but so you know i have to say goodbye to
that bag and it sucks because you know i was riding on it for some other stuff but you know
at the end of the day it was a great play for me because i bought no token and i got you know
a nice you know five-figure airdrop from that so real yeah i'm fine
with it it's still a good trade you know but it is what it is yeah my big my biggest thing is like
dude what if trump ends up being like king soul that's my thing bro like what king soul you know
that's like probably...
I thought you were talking about Sol as SOL.
I was like, what are you talking about Solana for?
No, no, no, no, King Sol.
Yeah.
King Sol, bro.
King Sol, you know, he had so much anointing during his beginning, and then he got prideful, and then David was chosen,
and then King Sol went mad.
And, you know, I hope I'm wrong on that.
I really am.
But I'm starting to see some signs, bro.
I just hope, like, for the betterment of, like, him and the administration
that that doesn't end up being the case because pride um affects more than like
you right affects it affects other people um indirectly you might not know it but uh
gosh dude um 2025 i would honestly rate it like as far as market conditions in crypto, probably like a four out of ten. I was going to say four.
Yeah, definitely.
You know, it started off so hot, right?
It started off so hot and then we just plummeted.
Plummeted.
And it didn't really get any better.
The final nail in the coffin was 10-10.
But the writing was like, I don't know if Prometheus was saying it, but I bet he was.
He's a smarter guy than I am.
The writing was on the wall well before October.
So it is what it is, man.
We have to move on.
We can't be looking to the past to go to our future.
into the past to go to our future we have to um make the future and find the edge and and i think
We have to make the future and find the edge.
one of the best ways of doing that is having a good community of like-minded individuals who may
be checked out now but when it starts getting frothy you got to check out these um new narratives
that pop up with check out you know do our research and you know hopefully go big and and exit the right way this time so you guys uh if
you guys haven't joined the the bb uh discord um they're a bunch of smart guys too so it's not a
nice to be um i mean if you remember in 2022 in the summer like like i think the sentiment when
i if i recall was that alts would never come back.
And I remember we played that Floki pump.
And I'm like, bro, I think memes are going to be something that people are going to bid whenever the next cycle starts.
And then later that year, you had Bonk going from zero to 200 mil.
And Sol went from $8 to $24 in a week and a half um and that was a real
rally bro if you look at january of 23 um solana basically 3x'd in like a week and a half when
bonk went from basically zero to escape velocity at the time and let's not forget that massive Pepe pump you know like 10 months after 3ac goes to zero
you have an on-chain ticker that goes from zero to like almost two bill um in less than a month
in less than a month I think Pepe TGE was like April 14 or something like that
and then it topped out initially on Cinco de mayo when i got all those exchange listings which was quite funny bro um but uh now i wouldn't doubt that like maybe like at the latest q2 of 27
you start seeing that that uh that kind of stuff happen again like any time from here
that kind of stuff happen again like anytime from here to um the summer of 27 i think like
i think crypto is going to be back in a big way um but in the meantime like i think you just have
to let people zero themselves out on chain like bro people are scalping on chain they're they
think this is like some perps game when in reality, this is when you probably have like your 2%, 3% holders of some of these tokens exiting, right?
Like Pippin, for example, like people might think that that token might be back, right?
Like if you left the market beginning of the year and you're like damn
is AI back and then you look at like the team hasn't really tweeted out in months um and
it's in price discovery and this kind of crazy happens but at some point all these rallies just
even themselves out remember Lunk dude Lunk did a 40x in the summer of 2022 but um as you said
right the best thing to do is like look at what's in front of you and you know if you want to make
money to the long side you have to pay attention to on chain right now because perps suck right now
to be honest unless you like trading in a tight ass death range um and i think like the six seven coin is being treated like remember
floyd ai george droid in q1 you remember that afro we're like almost that was one of my favorite
yeah like every everyone everyone that was still active on chain decided to go to Floyd AI and they pumped it to like 60 mil.
And then after that, the market just died out in like two, three weeks.
That's how I'm viewing this thing, dude.
I still watch the YouTube videos every now and again when I really need to chuckle about something.
That's a good one.
I like fat, bro.
Oh, yeah.
That was good one too. Yeah, they still make I like fat, bro. Oh, yeah. That was a good one, too.
Yeah, they still make some great content, bro.
But now they have, like, I can't get with Agartha, bro.
Like, that.
Yeah.
Dude, it's so.
That's, like, Unk, dude.
Agartha is, like, an Unk meme.
And Yacoub, like, those are Unk.
That's, like, mid-2000s, late-2000s, like prime Alex Jones memes.
I don't know, man.
But I'm going to wrap up the show, man.
And just want to thank all the speakers.
Afro, thanks for coming up here, man.
Thanks for coming up here, Prometheus.
Same thing with Josh.
Thanks for coming on the show, Josh.
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It's no problem in mind, but it's a problem in mind.
Living a life that I can't leave behind.
But there's no second thing to tell me.
With some pop-up, who will set you free?
But that's the way that your time is working over.
No, it's my everything my tradition.
Oh, yeah. I feel like I can't sing I feel like I can do
I feel like I never should.
Whenever I get away, I just don't know what to say.
I can't be ourselves like I was yesterday.
I'm not sure what this could mean.
I don't think so what you see.
If you admit to myself that if I had someone else
Then I'd never see just what I meant to be
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