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Mastering the Growth Stack: Spaces, SMM & More for AI Projects
Recorded: June 24, 2025 Duration: 1:00:03Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic discussion among crypto enthusiasts, key topics included the upcoming launch of Fall Finance, innovative growth strategies for 2025, and the integration of AI tools in marketing efforts. Participants emphasized the importance of adapting to trends and leveraging technology to enhance user engagement and project visibility.
Full Transcription
Thank you. The GM GM or good afternoon depending on where you are in the world.
I'm Alex behind the Gen Z account.
We're kind of hoping to get everybody up and to make sure that everything is set up.
It took a bit longer than expected, so sorry for that.
But so happy to have Ellie here with me today.
How are you, Ellie?
I'm doing good.
I'm doing good.
How are you doing, Alex?
Great.
It's very hot in here, actually.
So I've been melting for the last couple of days.
I've been waiting for the summer for so long.
And I was like, now I'm like, oh.
But hopefully we're not going to melt next week in ECC in Cannes.
So hopefully the weather is going to be friendly with us.
I don't know how things are on your side.
They're going pretty good over here.
It's, like, quite the opposite for me because I'm down in Argentina right now.
So, like, they're just beginning winter.
Like, we just had a – it was snowing here yesterday for the first time in, like, 17 years, which is kind of interesting.
But, yeah, so I'm kind of getting used to the cold weather. I just came from the summer.
Oh, okay.
Okay, well, that's interesting.
Hopefully, I'm going to be heading to Argentina for DevConnect in the autumn.
So, can't wait to do that.
It'll be my first time in LATAM, so it would definitely be an experience.
But I wanted to talk about growth stacks. And it's actually a very interesting
topic because as I'm heading to Eat Cluj na Poca next, I was going to say next week,
but it's actually this Thursday. And I'm going to be talking about some marketing stuff. So
maybe I can listen to a word of two from you. But before that i wanted to like welcome toki and is that daniel
behind the deep three uh account it is alex good to talk to you again hi welcome to welcome today
as well oh my god guys i need to like turn on this ac i'm dying here
uh how you're not the only one alex it is so unbelievably hot right now it's it's sitting
at 95 degrees fahrenheit uh which is for me just awful what is that the celsius
i don't even remember what 95 is it's just really, really hot. 35.
Oh, wow, yeah.
Then it's the same here.
Oh, ugh.
Screw that.
Better than Dubai. Better than Dubai.
We do have two more guests down below as well.
We have Magad and then
DeFiTed.
I can't read
or pronounce things right now, so don't hold it against me
that's fine i wasn't sure but like thank you for giving me the green light to approve these two
uh gentlemen because i'm guessing they're both gentlemen right if maggot i already know him
hi well welcome um can you tell me like who behind this account? Because I don't think we've ever
been on a space yet. Yeah. My name is Ted and Toki and I know each other for some time.
I basically spent the last several years working in DeFi, but currently i am head of growth in super trade which is a pro-trading firm uh
not a web project but i still try to be you know in this space and also talking invited me uh for
this uh particular event today because i have a few insights to share i think they will be pretty
relevant and also they are really fresh ones so maybe some of people in the audience
would like to apply these hacks right after i you know all right all right well i'll make sure that
i'll ask you the right questions then and if not please interrupt me and tell me everything you
want to share with the audience today uh because i think that'll be really good. I won't mind, I promise.
And I also wanted to say hi to Maget.
How are you doing?
Hi, hi, guys.
Hi, Alex.
Hi, Token.
How are you?
All good, all good.
Hot, same thing.
It's very hot.
I'm in the AC now, but it's very hot.
Well, I guess it's getting pretty hot in here and pretty heated because we're talking growth marketing.
And I think that's a very important question right now in the space.
Something we talked about last week as we host the marketing space every single week is that a lot of companies were talking about token launches in February for June, July. And right now we don't
see much noise out there. But at the same time, everybody's still like, you know, in a building
mode. I'm not exactly sure what is that or how is that actually, because I think it really depends
from company to company. But I wanted to ask you guys like a very blunt question from the beginning.
What is still working for us growth tactics right now in June 2025?
Sure, I'll chime into that. I can say definitely for sure, like, the reply guy and connecting with
people in like the comment section. I mean, that's something that's tried and true.
I feel like that's always going to be working.
I like to think of that as a way to go to people's houses instead of having them come to you.
That's kind of you posting as your own storefront,
but the whole reply-guying technique
is where you actually visit people's spaces themselves,
and I think that is definitely still a great way to grow.
Yeah, I totally agree with that.
I think that's just always a super evergreen approach.
Doesn't really matter what the market's doing.
Doesn't really matter what your competitors are doing.
You know, if you can connect people one-on-one,
that's always the best way to build a brand.
The other thing I threw out there that also kind of falls in the category of evergreen is just storytelling.
Anytime you can go, you can kind of frame your product, frame your mission as a story.
It just helps you connect with people.
Good storytelling, in my mind, is at the heart of all effective marketing.
at the heart of all effective marketing.
It doesn't really matter what the format is.
It doesn't really matter what the format is.
And don't tell ChatGPT everything about your marketing
or someone else will ask ChatGPT about it
and get the answer.
Wait, is that for real?
Oh, that's totally true.
I mean, I've seen ChatGPT, like, learning across my own accounts, and it's kind of creeped me out.
Like, I'll be dealing with it on, like, one problem, and then a few days later, I'll be asking related questions, and all of a sudden, it's, like, pulling knowledge from that other thread, and it does kind of creep me out.
and all of a sudden it's like pulling knowledge from that other thread and it does kind of creep
me out um definitely a lot of uh good plugs for you know privacy ai i think what is it called venice
um another kind of crypto ai startup definitely you know good solution for that problem
awesome and then i saw defy uh you raised up your hand man how what do you got on this one is this
I saw DeFi, you raised up your hand, man. What do you got on this one?
Yeah, I did. So basically, I'm here to drop a few bumps and I definitely don't want to just, you know, tell everything just in the beginning.
So to comment, the other speakers mentioned in the reply.
So basically, there is a tool that really works for us very well.
there is a tool that really works for us very well this is super great many of you are familiar
This is super great.
with type fully but it is often just used you know to schedule you know this and something and
not everyone knows that in fact fully you can also use the auto plug tool and as far as I know it is
available starting with the first like cheapest package and it basically enables you to set uh
the condition either by number of likes or number of three weeks uh after which to that post after
which it uh automatically tries to reply uh it works great because uh it's actually especially
if you have like a small team you don't have a dedicated supply there, right? So there's a lot of time, a lot of effort.
Sometimes maybe there's an old post that at some point that you didn't, you know, trust much, but apparently grew for like 20, 30 likes.
It may be a lot for your profile.
Maybe you gather like all the time, several hundred, then you put like 250.
And then it gives the exact reply that you want.
And it should be well structured as well.
So not just, hello, check the post above, but something like, I don't know, in our case,
we add something like, have you checked this resource of our current source?
We share some extra analytics uh and uh check it out it should be you know uh related to the original
post and uh it actually worked because x algorithms actually favor accounts that uh re-engage with uh
their old posts and especially in replies so and this is very efficient way to make sure that you
don't forget about it and also also to save yourself some time.
Because once again, when you just think about the post, you can structure and plan very good, you know, replies about it.
But when you just stumble upon it, you know, several weeks later or days later, and just out of the blue, you think perhaps I should give a reply to it.
Maybe you'll come up with a great reply.
Most of the time you won't.
So it really, really saves a lot of time
and makes it work better.
That's the first Bob I'm driving today,
but there will be a few more.
There's a thing right now
where a lot of girls are asking ChatGPT
to design the ideal partner for them
based on everything that they know
and i've tried the same thing and actually all they pulls me is everything about my web3 marketing
hackathon i swear to god nothing else maybe because like all i've spoken about um when i
or everything i trained for like recently was about that but to me i found it quite funny. Magda, I see your hand up.
Yeah, well, regarding the building that you mentioned in the beginning,
yeah, I agree.
But, well, thankfully, we are done building in Fall Finance.
We are launching this Friday, actually.
So we are just debugging now and just doing the final test.
But that's it.
We are live on Friday, this Friday.
So that's going to be a really exciting times for us.
And regarding all the comments that has been said regarding, yeah,
the engaging with the people in the comments and the storytelling,
that's part of what I am doing right now and what we're doing in the marketing
team to push the product and try to understand how to communicate
with the people correctly.
I would say also to choose the correct ambassadors and the KOLs that you're looking for.
I understand that KOL marketing is very saturated and it's not really something that I would
like to depend on, to be honest, in this project.
Maybe in other projects before I have done that, but right now I think KOLs are overrating. And I think you need to choose very carefully quality over quantity
and to know very well which one you're going to choose.
Not only KOLs regarding the Web3 and the crypto and the ecosystem itself.
Again, we as a company, we see ourselves as more of a financial provider or a fintech.
So we want to push it beyond the crypto realm.
And we already spoke about that before in other podcasts.
So what we're pushing these days is real ambassadors,
people from real life that can use the product
and try to say their own testimonies and real things
that people can touch and feel every single day.
So that's what we're trying to do.
Regarding the AI and Chagibity, I agree.
To be honest.
ChatGBT is getting scary.
I won't lie.
I use it a lot to do a lot of the donkey work, the work that I want to do, to be honest,
like summarizing a lot of PDFs or stuff like that just super fast.
But, yeah, to be honest.
And I realize this is about to make me lazy.
I don't read that much anymore
just because it can summarize stuff for me, a lot of stuff.
Adding to that, I think the more we give information
and the more we depend on ChatGPT,
really our creativity is going to turn off.
Like, I don't know about the others,
but I started to feel that every time I want to find ideas
or something like that, right away,
the first, second step is usually ChatGPT or AI. And I like, oh, I need to stop that. I really need to think for
myself and stop it. So I don't know about the others, but that's how I feel about it.
I mean, not only are you 100% right, but it's showing up in the research
literature. I think we actually got connected with the folks at GenZio because
I popped into a space and was listening everyone talk about ai and just the night before i'd read a paper that was published uh it's pretty
much like you know confirming that uh when people rely on chat gpt it has physical effects in their
brain like they're actually seeing uh different neural pathways closed down and you know different parts of your brain not lighting
up anymore so I think that's very very real the thing I joke about all the time is spell check
came out we all forgot how to spell you know navigation came out we all figured out forgot
how to get to the grocery store and now chat GPT is just going to make us forget everything
that's scary that's absolutely scary.
I sometimes actually stop myself from using, I use Grok in particular,
but it doesn't matter. I sometimes stop myself from
using specifically to do some things
manually, just to not forget
how things are done.
I mean,
not to go too far down the rabbit hole, but my
ultimate, like, true
favorite, and I still think healthy use of ChatGPT is anytime I'm going to go bug my co-founder to do brainstorming, I start with ChatGPT.
So I'm not harassing him with stuff.
And it is very, very good at that kind of thing.
Just kind of going back and forth, you know, trying to be as creative as possible.
forth, you know, trying to be as creative as possible. It's an excellent stand in, at least
for like very low level thinking about problems, trying to expand the solution space. I think
that's a fantastic and still like at least moderately healthy way to use something like
ChatGPT. I have to agree with you. And I would love to tell you that please make sure you're making new projects.
If you want to keep it concentrated so it doesn't go outside of that one singular conversation
or that one thread, if you make it its own project and then dial in the tools as far
as what you want it to do, that one's going to be way more receptive for you.
And you can actually sculpt it to get the responses that you're looking for as far as like that brain meld brainstorming situation that you want instead of
like i know it can be interesting because you don't want it to be exactly like you
because you want to still be able to build on those ideas so you can have it be a portion of
you and a portion of your partner in regards to its responses. That way, whenever you're talking to it, it actually gives you that incorporated mindset of both of you, instead
of you being reliant on yourself for an idea. I know that sounds kind of weird, but it really
does help whenever you're expanding it out. And welcome Kawhi Boss to the stage, man.
Love to see you. Glad you could make it.
What up? Yeah, no, I was going to add to that. It's good to have, man love to see you glad you can make it yeah no I was gonna add to that
it's good to have you know if you chat GPT to be objective to your responses but I don't want yes
man's you know it's you know telling me that I'm correct every two seconds I mean I have a girl
that tells me I'm subjected to my ideas so like I don't want Chad GPT to say yes that's correct
that's great these are great ideas I want to be like hey you know this could be better this could be you
know I want to hammer down my decisions but I don't want to be like we're
thinking the same exactly you know so I do resonate with that and utilizing in
the way that we're not expecting it to give me the right decision and right
answers every time like I want to be able to not necessarily brainstorm but
like throw ideas at it and then it gives me some suggestions like i don't want to be like my whole
life dependent on chat gpt and and yeah exactly it's like compiling information if anything if
not necessarily like for it to you know have all the grammar checks yes i do have grammar fix and
i used to just say rewrite everything but then it
ruins the the voice I have and then it creates this kind of narrative you know so I'd rather
rather Chad GPT have a specific voice for myself rather than you know go hey this is what it sounds
like and I have to just run with it so yeah a lot of decision making yeah it gives off the heavy
load so it'd be able to kind of pick up that heavy load but um, you know, it gives me that room and space to be able to grow
so like I have more open ideas and more
Decisions, you know, so Chad GPT me to me helps
And then I introduced Chad GPT for my girl last night and not say like just a regular Chad GPT
but to making images and she didn't go to sleep until like four o'clock in the morning so
but the making images and she didn't go to sleep until like four o'clock in the morning. So
and i used to also mention uh agenzie of the host uh about like uh you know put you know having my
partner move in with me kind of the pros and cons like what do we need to work on kind of thing so
it was funny that you mentioned that when i got on here
i think that's a really really good part yeah regarding the um the training of the of the
chadjubit itself uh to start criticizing the ideas i i took me long to do that because i
didn't like the idea that they agrees with everything oh yeah that's an amazing idea well
i know it's not amazing idea that's why i'm here like that's why i'm here checking with you to
double check things because i'm double checking myself. So I want you to doubt me, criticize me, give me criticizing of the idea until we refine it.
And it's already the best idea.
So, yeah, it took a while.
To be honest, I think OpenAI should work on that part or this feature, that idea of training a little bit.
But it took me a while to train it.
And now I would say it's like 80% work and sometimes still doing this dumb thing of like telling me oh that's a great idea i'm super proud of you i'm uh shut up
i'm not like don't do that just just move on but yeah yeah dude something like that like i put
that in the custom instructions for like the entire like account for mine because i was just
so sick of it just like telling me how awesome everything was. And I'm like, this is not what I'm here for.
You know what I mean?
Exactly.
Me too.
I did exactly the same.
Exactly the same.
And I have this thread that I have like rules in it.
Like I read it for him.
Don't do that.
Just do tell me the real thing.
Do the real research and tell me that things wrong.
If you're going to curse back, curse back.
I don't care.
Just say something correct.
Say something real. Don't tell me this back, curse back. I don't care. Just say something correct. Say something real.
Don't tell me this affirmation that I don't need.
But I do have a question for you guys,
just to kind of move on from the AI discussion.
I don't know, and especially for you, Magid,
I don't know if you've seen some of the campaigns
that Kraken has done recently
with a bunch of Web2-style ads,
but with a Web3 vibe.
And also I've seen like there's the posters from Uniswap.
They're like everywhere.
And I absolutely love them.
I don't know if they were like just in the US or like some of them were in Berlin as
well, but I thought they were such a great marketing tactic.
And I wanted to see like, what do you think about it?
Especially because you're kind of trying to get out of this uh like use as brand ambassadors like normal people yeah i saw them and we work actually with
you and that's an amazing idea i like them a lot and we're actually applying or implementing almost
the same tactics of being or making sure that we look like Web2 to make sure that the Web2 people also gets the
like the same appeal you know we need to speak the language so they understand it so I really
agree on this idea I think they really did a great job I know some of the people over there
and I really think they did a really great job I give them some personal comments and stuff and
that was amazing and we're doing exactly the same and i think as i said
before if people does not do that um i think we're going to get stuck so i think everybody should
actually see that and start pushing it and the more we push it the more we get creative and give
ideas i think everybody's going to start to compete with the ideas so we're going to keep
refining so my idea is going to get better tomorrow you're going to do something that's
going to be better so i'm going to learn from you. So my idea is going to get better. Tomorrow you're going to do something that's going to be better. So I'm going to learn from you.
And the learning curve is going to be better.
I don't know about everybody else, but yeah, that's basically what I see.
Really good of you that you noticed.
That's really nice.
I loved it, actually.
Like I thought it was such a great idea.
And like it was one of the very few innovative things I've seen in a very, very long time.
So, yeah.
Been saying it for a while, but people didn't listen.
But yeah, I'm glad that they start doing it right now.
I think there's another part of, you know, Web 2 advertising that I think Web 3 can really do a lot more to learn from.
You know, obviously creating a copy, creating the story is important.
You know, obviously creating a copy, creating the story is important.
But what we've seen across the sort of advertising landscape in Web3 is really a lack of intelligent targeting.
Like if you've done any Web2 advertising, you know that underlying all of the advertising suites, you know, Google, Facebook, all of them, what they're doing behind the scenes
is they're running this incredibly complex suite of machine learning models to actually predict
who are your best prospects, who should this ad get served to. And the blockchain is a perfect
substrate to do that kind of analysis and make sure that when you're serving an ad to somebody,
it's to the person that's most likely to convert. It's kind of one of the areas that Deep3 got its start in.
We saw an opportunity in liquid staking, given the size of its business, to try to build some of these models.
And so we built prediction models that can predict which addresses that have never tried liquid staking before are likely to convert in the next couple of months.
before are likely to convert in the next couple of months.
So when somebody is running an ad level targeting campaign,
address level targeting campaign,
they can make sure that they're actually serving ads
to the people that are going to convert.
And the models, even like prototype V1, incredibly,
you know, quick and dirty construction were really, really powerful.
Like over a 60 day period, our models found about 70 percent of all
of the new liquid staking customers on the ethereum blockchain so you know there's a lot to do on the
sort of ad creative side for sure but i think there's just as much untapped potential in the
delivery itself and how targeting works and all of those really sophisticated you know
things that took a decade or more to develop on web 2. you know we have the ability to just learn
from all of that and i don't think we see it enough happening in web 3 yet i couldn't i couldn't agree
more i agree with literally everything to the letter i agree 100 i think that's exactly what
it is and i don't know why
it's been like this, but since day one, I was like, okay, guys, we need to learn from those
people. It took years to develop that. And for some reason, there is some, I won't say resistance,
but some fix it ideas and they just want to keep doing the same thing. And no, I said, no, I'm not
going to do that. And in all the projects and all the exchanges that i've worked in uh and the marketing journey i usually was trying to do
outside of the of the pack but i agree with everything you said
ted i can see your hand up uh yeah i wanted to say like about another you know approach that we also used to you know try to solve our growth
goals uh but i'll uh start in the beginning so basically many of you know that there are other
tools or services that help to either do some kind of direct message campaigns or email campaigns uh they can uh for instance well
i i won't go into much detail you know then there are also tools like drippy can you still hear me
by the way can anyone hear me yeah we can still hear yeah yeah uh yeah sorry i think i i just like
so um yes so uh that is a tool Drippy.
By the way, on X, it's quite cost efficient.
Basically, it allows you to filter out from accounts,
or for instance, your competitors or other, you know,
accounts, like what's your target audience
and drop them slightly altered direct messages
so that for instance, it would mention their name
and then give that message.
It's basically like cold emailing,
but on text, via messages, and so on and so forth.
But I think that's all outdated.
So, and I got inspired by one event
that happened to me several weeks ago.
Then I've been approached on X by supposedly a girl
which tried to strike a conversation with me.
And as the conversation went, I figured out that it's a bot.
Eventually I figured out that it's a bot that tried to lure me into someone's only fun.
But the thing is that I tried really, really hard to make the bot review.
It sounded it is a bot.
And yeah, of course, when you try really, really hard, you understand that it is a bad, but
there was not a single point, a select string of text where the revelation was direct.
I mean, if you look into the whole conversation, then of course it becomes clear that there
are loops of strings of four messages, then a photo, then strings of four months.
But if you take any short piece of conversation, there was no single point of revelation.
And then I figured then actually it right now we're working on such solutions.
Actually, instead of just trying to create AI agents that go to various accounts and strike a conversation
and immediately try to upsell your product or service, they can actually pretend of being,
I don't know, people who are interested in the same thing and maybe asking for advice
from that person and so on, so forth.
And then as the conversation goes, they can try to fully upsell that product or service, just
like that bot tried to upsell someone's only funds to me.
So basically, and in many cases, it should work even better because most conversations
are not as long as the one with that bot.
So there would be even less points of, you know, potential revelation.
And even if there is, I mean, so what?
It's a legitimate way of, you know, push your product or service.
And it's not even too much intrusive, if you ask me.
So that's the second, you know, insight I'm giving you today.
And so let's continue.
That's one of the reasons why a lot of people in Web3 think that, like,
girl, there are no girl
there are no women in web3 and all of them are bots so it's a discovery oh wait alex yeah
yeah we spoke about it all through scraps um i actually wanted to ask a question to to a um from all like you've you ran the social media
for a lot of like very big projects in the space what are some growth tactics that you still work
in 2025 well i love i love posting spicy memes keeping up with the trends like that i i think
that is like the most important so there's like like it actually there's a website that I use called meme lord dot tech.
They don't pay me or anything.
OK, like I'm not this isn't a shill.
But what it does is it it keeps track of the most recent trending means.
And so essentially what I like do is just try to like follow those.
But then also to, I've noticed that
tagging other projects
specifically, it's almost kind of like
the reply guy thing, you know?
Just kind of trying to get attention from
other projects by tagging them. Or if you can
follow whatever is trending
in Web3, post about it,
tag that, tie it back to your
brand a little bit, you can get some traction
that way as as well so
i mean i think that's an area where uh ai is super helpful you like instead of having to
just like constantly harass your designers to hop on the latest you know mean trend you just pop it
right in ai and like five minutes later you've've got usable content. Obviously, there's, you know, huge downside.
The amount of AI slop on the internet is just like mind boggling.
But, you know, AI can be such a powerful force multiplier for even like a small team. When you've got tools like meanlord.tech, which definitely appreciate the plug.
I'm going to be using the hell out of that, I think, going forward.
And then combining it with really powerful image generators.
Yeah, man, the quality, like the quality of ChatGPT image generation has gone up significantly in the past, like, month or two, I'd say.
I mean, I've even, I've actually done, I've made a couple graphics for my own personal account using ChatGPT, where, you know, it adds text into it and it like creates it's really thorough now.
So I think like if you know, if you're if you're kind of the one man team, small man team, like there's a lot of potential there.
So I mean, that's just across the board.
It's its abilities have risen like in such a short period of time,
but sorry,
Toki,
go ahead.
as far as chat to BT goes,
I actually use chat to BT to create all of my mid journey prompts because
there's so much information as far as how you can go about making mid journey
prompts.
So I ended up creating one master prompt,
and then I just update it based on, quite frankly,
just how things are progressing
as far as different versions that come out.
We're now on version 7,
so I created a new master prompt just for version 7,
and I have basically any of the new stuff
that I'm working on.
It's all coming out of that generator.
I mean, it's so easy to take that kind of stuff and needing,
instead of having to write out these long, thoughtful prompts to get exactly what I want,
I'm able to have this generator that produces my prompts en masse,
gives me four different examples as far as what I want to do.
And then I'm able to take those examples and see what small changes I want to make,
whether it's the aspect ratio, whether it's the styling,
because there's still like the Niji if you want to go more on the anime.
And then just framing it out from there, it's so much easier to do it this way now.
So much easier.
And I can do it consistently as well,
which now has actually helped because mid journey now does video too.
So anytime that I'm even looking at trying to create something,
I'm,
I can do almost anything from creating music videos to creating gifts to
creating shorts.
And that's all done between Suno,
which is my music app,
my AI music app chat GPGPT for either the
initial image generation or for getting the prompt that I want from Midjourney. And then
Midjourney is doing either the image generation itself, or it's also doing the video generation
from there. I'm essentially set. And it's crazy, crazy how cheap that is as well. And that's all mine. All of it's my own commercial use.
I mean, it makes sense, right? Like AIs understand what other AIs, you know, want to hear, want to see. We, we use it in, in, in our like main deployment app.
is it in our main deployment app?
There's a feature where you can actually search
the blockchain in plain English to find alpha, right?
So you can go into our tool and you can say,
find me addresses that made 10X buying meme coins early.
And all it's doing in the background
is it's building a bunch of SQL queries
that hit our research database.
And we have it set up so that the first prompt
is actually being sent to another AI
and that AI is refining it.
And then another one is checking to make sure
that the results are accurate.
And another is checking to make sure
the SQL query and syntax is accurate.
So like having AIs work with each other
is absolutely the future of this stuff.
And it's super, it makes everything way more powerful.
Dude, I know, like, I, okay, so I think that I completely agree with what everyone's saying.
And I also want to add that, like, the video capabilities, like, are going to the next level, too, man.
Like, I think we're going to be, we're going to have, like, commercials are going to be completely done in AI in the future.
Like, we're going to...
They already are this past weekend
yeah this past weekend it was insane there's so many commercials that came out there's a small
movie yeah there's an almost 15 minute movie that got completed yes it is crazy what's happening so
I think like I think as far as like you know if the turnaround time between like when things happen
and when we can like put things out as a result or it's going to be like instantaneous basically um and another thing i wanted to add too i actually
saw this uh it's also in the timeline i forget who posted a while ago but for like one another
good way to kind of like like ensure growth is like you need to do things that necessarily might
not scale and what i mean by that is like talking to people within your community,
like finding your users, interviewing them, making them feel special.
Like you need to do those kind of things,
like sliding into people's DMs with like personalized messages and things like that.
Like I still think there's also a lot of value behind that
because if you're starting a project, you know, from a very small community,
like even
just talking to those five ten people at a time like that is how you build that kind of foundational
community so i'm sorry kind of i kind of like took it as a different turn there from ai but like
i just wanted to add that too like i feel like there's still a lot of value
in doing these kind of unconventional things with marketing no I do agree yeah I mean
there's still a human touch to everything and at the end of the day
like we're still feeding that information for these AI prompts you
know so for me it's like like you mentioned Toki about like setting up
these prompts I have a like operator I'm creating right now for vappy so i'm creating like these prompts for you
know for a gold and silver business but like from there like i can use that to expand and beyond you
know so i really like using uh chat gpt in that sense uh to create those prompts i haven't really
used i mean i used mid journey before but i haven't used it in a while so it'd be interesting
to see that um i use sora a little bit, but Sora doesn't really hit the,
you know, kind of nail in the coffin kind of thing.
But like to echo, yeah,
pretty much ran this whole project on ChatGPT.
So, you know, shout out to ChatGPT for KawhiBoss.
All our artwork is from ChatGPT.
So, and I've made two projects,
FlappyBoss down there too.
So yeah, ChatGPT for the W for sure. When it comes to, to the graphics and everything,
you know, imaging and yeah, exactly. Like in the last,
like two or three months, it's significantly,
significantly increase the quality where you don't have to like argue with
Chad GPT so much, you know, it's just like, you know,
back in the day with like, uh, what was it?
Will Smith trying to eat spaghetti
kind of thing.
Don't call Davatolo that because he's had
full-out arguments with ChatGPT.
We were in Dubai and he was
screaming at his phone,
literally calling it a dumbass,
telling it how horrible it was.
It was
so funny
and none of us recorded it except for chat gpt uh so you know
we'll see what happens to him in the future with robots but uh good luck i go back and forth with
chat gpt too but like i was telling my girls like oh you gotta be nice to him i'm like
there's no specific gender and then also on top of that like you can say hey you know this didn't work out you know
like stop no you know like you can you know yell at it like you mentioned debatola yeah yeah exactly
like you gotta tell her what to do well apparently it costs you costs more to to keep up with this
like please and thank you stuff so you don't have to be nice to you so i i like to think of it as in you never know when they're
gonna turn so you want to make sure that like that you're on the nice side you know so you
should please and thank you just in case yeah that's just in case it's just you know one of
those when the singularity comes i'm gonna be on the right side. I don't know if I'm going to be on the right side or the left side, but I'm hoping that
the robot doesn't look at me and go target.
Instead, they'll say you're welcome. because you said thank you yes yes thank you
to kind of connect you with like the the topic of today because i'm trying to get you guys back
on track um i recently uh got into riverside because i haven't recorded a podcast episode
in a while and i got in today and I saw there's so many updates,
like especially regarding like AI,
like your new transcripts and like clips
and stuff you can use and B-rolls you can do.
And I was pretty impressed.
I haven't used it yet,
but I would love to see like how much time
and how much, like if it's a lot easier to do it
like the day before
and if it's a lot better than doing that before,
because like if that would happen, like a year ago is really, really bad.
And I was hoping that AI is going to get to a point
where it's actually going to be useful,
and you won't have to fight with it like back and forth
regarding something that you said or you didn't say.
But yeah, that was pretty interesting and a nice surprise. And I see Kwai and I
did see Ted. Would you hands up?
All right.
I was going to do a little piece about River.
Both of you at the same time, please.
I was going to say a little bit about the River FM. I use it for transcription. So yeah,
it works really well. The one thing I would suggest is if the file is over one hour,
you might want to chop it up in pieces
because sometimes it doesn't fully transcribe it.
Well, what do you do with this transcription, though?
Because I thought of it.
I'm like, what do I do with it?
Oh, I put it in posts.
Oh, but it already gives you a Oh But it already gives you
It already gives you a summary
It already gives you possibilities of posts
It already gives you highlights
What did it transfer for?
Unless you want to go through it though
It's like a high level
It just kind of goes really basic
And then I use ChatGPT to summarize it
And then I add who was in the space
So they can you know attach the
voices attached to those accounts so
yeah there's a little bit of work maybe there's an easier
way but use it for time stamping
too yeah exactly the time stamps
are good if you put them back into
uh Grok
and the time stamps are like this is what happened at this
time so yeah there's ways to go
around it wait what do you mean you put
the entire text into the entire transcript of the episode or of the space in Grok? No, I use River,
River FM, and then I put it into Grok for timestamps. And then I put it in for summary,
I put in Chajibiti. Maybe it's too much work, but you know, it refines it. I was hoping the
product would actually give you everything because it already has timestamps.
They were not, at least the last time I used it, it wasn't great.
And I have to manually change stuff, but it's much better than doing it by myself.
And I've also tried, it was a year ago, maybe when I put some, I think I put the transcripts
and stuff into TGPT and I was kind of hoping it was going to give me, like, some insights
or, like, cool stuff I can take out.
And it was absolutely trash.
I was so pissed.
But I'm pretty sure it's a lot better now.
It's been a year, though.
A lot better, yeah.
Sorry?
I was saying it was a lot better now.
Like, I use it to refine, like, posts.
Like, I'll be, like, you know, 10 posts about whatever, you know.
Well, look, I'll see you around.
I'll definitely keep it posted.
Yeah, for sure.
And we were also talking, at least like we were supposed to touch on anything AI projects.
projects we only spoke to talk about AI tools do you think anything crypto or
We only spoke about AI tools.
rep web 3 related is different in terms of growth strategies that anything AI
related I mean I think one of the key things is AI projects can go from idea
it's a functional beta so much faster than like traditional businesses can. I mean, I think just
last week that company base 44 just got acquired by Wix for like 80 million bucks and it's six
people and never took any outside money. So like, in my opinion, when it comes to building anything
in the AI space, web three or not, like if you're building an AI-based project,
just go straight to the beta, like build the idea,
get it out there, get it in people's hands, start using it.
Oh, I love that take so much.
Just going even beyond that, as far as I heard you say that where you've only been talking
about AI tools, yet almost all of these tools just started as AI projects, trying to figure out what
was going to happen next. So they've all used their own versions and their own variations of AI to increase their marketing to increase
their growth. And it's, you have to admire those methodologies that they used along the way.
Because not everyone loves AI. And so you have to overcome a lot of disparities, falsities,
but also you have to come to look at some like the harder truths about it as well and it's there's a
but also you have to come to look at some like the harder truths about it as well.
lot that comes with there's so many different ai projects that are out there you have to look at
some of the ai tools that have succeeded and realize that they were just projects too and we
should really be looking at you know every single piece of the puzzle i mean it's going to take us
down a rabbit hole so i apologize in advance but I just like this drives me nuts.
It's my like number one just irk pet peeve in the crypto space.
There are so many crypto startups that are using blockchain to help AI.
There are so few that are using AI to help blockchain.
There are so few that are using AI to help blockchain.
And it just feels like this massive opportunity to help bring the next billion users online because there's one truism to the Web2 growth that we saw late 90s, early aughts.
Machine learning created the user experiences that brought your grandma online.
We can do the exact same thing in web3 but again
everybody's trying to use ai to help or blockchain to help ai but there's very few startups that are
using ai to help blockchain and it just it drives me nuts it feels like such a massive opportunity
all right now we're skipping over that rabbit hole. Ted, go for it.
Yeah, I basically want to tell one more story, although it's taking us a little bit back
because it's also about a tool, but it's about a tool that many of you don't know and maybe
none of you know because it's not a skill that much.
And I like to think of it, you know know an ai project with the human face it let me
start what i'm talking about so uh i'll give you the name of uh that too but only then so how started
uh how we use it uh basically there is an ai project that helps you to determine uh like um
you to determine what conversations matter, what posts matter, and with which ones you
should engage, to which ones you should reply.
You help to build the model, you help to build the agent once you subscribe to their service,
then they have a really, really small team of founders who help you to
and concept model. And it takes time. It takes at least several weeks of daily
routine. And then you actually have to post these replies that are generated for
you in several styles, according to your additional visuals. For instance, maybe
you want more and more just maybe you want it to be sarcastic or maybe you want to debate with those posts.
So you have to choose.
And actually, it helped our account to grow in organic impressions of things like views,
things like likes, things like with vids, roughly roughly 300%, three months in a row.
So we grew month on month, roughly 300% with it.
And just like I said, they have really small and friendly team.
Not many people know them.
The first time I learned about them, I started doing, you know, research on
who uses them and I'm sure I can, you know, start with the private correspondence, but I found like one really huge L1 that
used them because they feature it on their website as one of their early adopters.
And those guys told me that they didn't actually use all aspects because they
didn't figure out how to, yet I decided to try.
And it really worked for us, but it really requires daily usage and it really requires
extra commitment.
Because I think if you just hope that it does everything for you, it won't work and you'll
be frustrated.
The name of the project is Grow3.
I actually informed them that I'm at this space and they just dropped in and they probably
they are busy so they dropped out their um founder's name is greg and i think it was him
who joined this space but i wrote several minutes ago i really uh i told you at this point you may
think that i'm like their ambassador on their commission or payroll i'm not i really like this
tool it's not easy to start using it requires
some time and but if you really uh you know nail it for a few weeks then it saves you like a lot of
money and a lot of you know i don't know effort basically it is i find it very cost efficient it feels like you have a dedicated person who monitors uh 24 7 acts with
regards to all relevant tags relevant topics and support uh specifically uh for uh you know your
needs and it constantly evolves uh uh partially according to your comments partially according
to what data you feed to it.
And, you know, the team helps you really, really much.
So we bought like maximum package from them.
There are several options.
We're very happy so far.
And by the growth we see and the engagement levels and how it goes on for the fourth month in a row we are very very happy if you really want some suggestions on how to start with them I'd be also just maybe I don't follow and DM me uh and I'll be happy to I'll be happy to do the intro to the team I just love this product and I want it to you know keep
growing and uh yeah so uh really really you know a game changer for us it was the name of it again grow grow three g or all three and its account is uh at gro3 underscore and uh yeah it is amazing
i'm not on the kind of payroll or commission from maybe maybe should i don't know but uh i
actually just found them they were in the space
yeah they were i'll get to see more yeah they were so just just wonderful thing uh and uh yeah
they have several other modules like social craft which uh creates several posts that uh
should based on your profile history that should should also, and you know, the models configurations,
generate posts for this particular day based on some news or some other event that should, you know,
make your audience engage more with it. And their posts really, really new. Like for instance, right now, our average posts
generate 15 likes,
posts generated by Socialcraft, the ones we select and also I slightly alter them, I slightly add
some extra flavor to them and then they generate like three times more like 45 likes, 50 likes
easily and then you know type fully you know reply kicks in, so it all works together. But, yeah, I'd be really, really happy to see them, you know, adopt new happy customers.
And it also requires, you know, some work from you to make it work because it's not like automating the post for your account.
It actually gives you suggestions, but the suggestions that work is for us.
actually give you suggestions, but there's just that work for us.
It's very interesting how there are so many tools popping up,
but nobody has ever heard of them.
So I think they should definitely thank you or Tick as a brand ambassador
for showing them in this space and probably in other conversations as well.
I'll definitely take a look, especially because'm planning like um i'm i'm talking at it clues this this week and uh and there are a couple of like new tools i want to
i want to share with the audience and i think this one might be interesting to to speak about
as well so i would love to if you if you can make an intro at least like get them to send
maybe some case studies i would love to love to share them as well.
Any last thoughts from anybody in the space?
Because we don't have like much time left.
We have like four minutes left.
And I was kind of hoping to close like on a positive note,
especially because ETC is very close.
And I think a lot of people are going to be going there, especially after like two or three very intense weeks in Berlin
and now permissionless and so on.
So I wanted to ask you, like, what are you hoping?
Like, what do you think is missing in Web3 right now?
And you hope that it's going to happen really soon, especially because, especially when it comes to toolings or things that can help us like marketers grow or like grow the project we work with or for.
marketers grow or like grow the project we work with or for especially because
as some say we don't have much time left until the next bear market comes so we're still in the
in the building mode for next couple of months what is your for the market. Unfortunately, I see a very big division, though,
between marketers and companies that are trying to help you grow.
To survive, yeah.
I don't see...
My biggest issue right now in this space is that a lot of people that I speak to, a lot of founders and a lot of founders that I meet, a lot of recruiters, they all want the same thing.
And it's not because it's not necessarily a good thing in the sense that they all want Web3 experience or a very specific type of Web3 experience.
The problem is that nobody wants to go beyond that and try to actually do something.
Nobody wants to go beyond that and try to actually do something.
Everybody just wants KOL management.
Everybody wants questing.
Everybody wants token launches and so on with the same tactics.
And that's what really bothers me.
And that's what I would like to see changed moving forward.
Koi?
I can leave the space with a wrap if you guys want.
Yeah, give these guys a minute okay but i would love to have your wrap i don't well one thing i'd love to i'd love to see
more like i i know like the info fi kind of thing is is still like i feel like you know we have
kaito now and we have this new thing called cookie.fun and there's some other ones, but I feel like if we can, like, that's a
really good use case to integrate AI into, I'm sure they're probably already doing it some,
like getting more like analytics. And I wish, like one thing I wish is that those kinds of
tools were like more readily available. Like I know they're kind of behind like big paywalls.
were like more readily available like i know they're kind of behind like big paywalls um
and so like i kind of wish that like we could actually get access to this more of this
information within the timeline itself maybe or just like like ways that we could actually
kind of measure these things more um so that's kind of what i'm looking to see
so basically you have money you go you don't have money you wait
yeah exactly it's kind of like you guys it's like it's like you either got it or you don't have money you wait yeah exactly it's kind of like you guys it's like it's
like you either got it or you don't um yeah i didn't i wish it like i kind of i kind of wish
it was just like more like accessible for everybody like but i mean you know that's that's how things
are always so i mean what are you gonna do i it's expensive. That's the biggest problem. Like all of these tools, it's mind-numbing in terms of what data center costs
and how expensive hosting this stuff can be.
Obviously, I have a bit of a bias because this is the stuff that we're building.
But at the end of the day, it's just very difficult to offer the stuff real cheap.
Every token costs money.
Oh, yeah.
I mean, and that's kind of where, like, I wonder, like, if there's, you know,
I'm not too familiar with, like, ZKTLS and that kind of tech.
Like, I'm just kind of wondering, like, if there are ways for us to kind of pull data from these.
Like, I'm sure that's kind of, like, the next step, right?
Like, how can we pull data from these platforms and do it in a way that is cheaper
and more efficient? And I think that's
kind of like a thing that, you know, we've been, like,
that's kind of the overarching...
You need to start looking at InfoFi so much
deeper. It's already kind
of happening, and it's branching off into
its own sector, and I think you're going to be seeing
projects kind of, like,
deviating what they thought they were working
on into what it's
now going to be called under InfoFi. It's going to be a weird transition over the next probably
like two quarters probably the next half of the year is where we're going to see a lot of this
come to fruition. It's it's going to be gnarly because it's going to be AIs talking to AIs
paying other AIs and it's super intelligence it's borderline for a lot of this stuff
and probably technically is for more of it.
Yeah, it's all possible
because ZK is happy.
I'm going to win this war.
Seems like the controversy came out right at the end.
Way to go, Alex.
I kind of want to thank you guys for being with me today.
It's been a pleasure.
I think it was a very good space and a very good talk.
I want to apologize to Koi.
I hope you didn't take it the mean way.
I didn't want to be mean to you or anything,
so I wanted to apologize if I was.
And I would like to invite you to entertain us a bit right now at the end.
Lay down the rap, Koi.
Oh, let's go.
Yeah.
Mastering the growth in the sax and spaces and all these spaces.
We see back with Gen Zio and Alex and Kwok.
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Coming back with Magma and Toki.
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Feeling me?
We out here doing our thing in AI chat GPTs.
All we filling our cup in all this PFPs and images that we create in videos that we need to make on mid journey like
yo talk about my translation that i need to get it with transcription and i make it to a summary
then i put it on these spaces and i say i make posters every day like we back with gen z yo and
talk about ai projects and hopefully we put it back in blockchain use cases. If I'm here with QuadBots, we can't stop you on the blockchain.
And you hopefully don't know.
To use a thing called ChatGPT, don't break your brain.
Because I need to make the ways on the things that I make all the time on this post that I have to make.
Then we'll have to say that ChatGPT doesn't break my brain.
Oh, wait.
Hold up.
No need to say that.
Put me on this wrapping Mac on this map like GenZio and Alex and Lock and D5 with Magnum
Toki with Deep3.
We coming back, you see me.
Be sure to follow everyone's PFP.
Hit the bottom corner of the space and we give you a warm embrace.
And remember, our network is our net worth and we back.
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ChatGPT
That's what I meant to say
We are here today
And throw the pieces to my homies
And we out today
Awesome
Oh my god
Let's go
That was spitting fire
I should invite you to my program I should invite you to close all my spaces from now on.
But thank you guys again.
Thank you, Kawhi, for entertaining us.
It's been a pleasure.
Thanks, everybody, for being in the space with us today
and listening for the entire hour.
And I will be transmitting live next week from ECC.
And if you are coming to ECC, please hit me up.
I would love to meet you um irl and
yeah i'll see you next time see you guys thank you cheers bye everyone Thank you.
