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Matt Walsh EXPOSES LGBTQ+ Charities & FOX?
Recorded: June 15, 2023 Duration: 1:59:01Space Recording
Short Summary
The discussion highlights new initiatives in the crypto media space with the launch of daily and niche-specific shows, recruitment efforts to expand content, and shifts in media focus influenced by public interest and major political figures.
Full Transcription
Yo, can you hear me guys?
We got you Mario.
We can.
How are you guys?
Kaivan, it's your first time on stage, isn't it?
It is, thanks for having me.
Pleasure to have you man, how are you?
Listen, there's a co-host, his name is Suleiman, Sheikh Suleiman.
Anything stupid he says, make sure you correct him.
Even if he's a boss, he'll never mute you, he's got thick skin, but someone needs to put him in his place.
Don't hesitate.
Deal, alright.
God to have you, man. Maybe a quick intro, man. It's your first time on stage, so tell us more about you, while we're waiting for other speakers to join.
Sure, happy to jump in. So, I am a democratic strategist and pro bono attorney based in New York.
Recently completed a joint program at Harvard Law School and the Kennedy School of Government.
Before that, was helping run a DC non-profit and did my MBA, and then was at Brown for political science.
So, excited to...
Calvin, did humans land on the moon?
I do, yes, I'm one of the people that believe that humans did land on the moon.
Alright, well, Suleiman doesn't. He thinks we did not.
He thinks it was all CGI, so it just gives you an idea.
That's okay, you know what, just this weekend I met somebody that shares that opinion, so...
Do you think the Earth is flat?
I do not.
That's Suleiman as well, he thinks the Earth is flat.
This is fake news!
Do not listen to this guy!
But...
Maybe we can reinvent all of history for you.
Do you believe that the photographs from the moon landing are legitimate?
I do, I do.
Aw, that's so cute.
I wish he was here in earlier spaces, I could have used the backup.
All right, let me get the speakers up.
Let's get Danish up for a second.
I haven't chatted to Danish in a while.
Let him give us a quick update on the finance spaces,
the current financial situation,
what's going on there,
but he's probably going to reject it and not come up,
because he's always sitting in the audience at night.
He's too busy.
Lazy.
Danish, you hear me?
You're lazy, man.
You don't have the guts to come up when Suleiman is here,
because he'll crush you.
Bro, Danish makes sense, bro. He will crush you, bro.
He will crush you, bro.
You're a chicken, Danish. I'm sure you can hear me.
He's not a chicken. He will destroy you.
He doesn't want to destroy you in front of your friend Kevin. That's what it is.
Alright guys, so before Sunni introduces today's space, gives you all an update.
We do have a massive guest, we're not going to disclose who it is, coming on Sunday.
We have two big guests coming this week.
When is the first one coming before disclosing who that is?
Friday.
Friday? We've got a big guest coming on Friday.
Are we not disclosing that one yet?
Tell the people, bro. The people want to know.
I am the man of the people. We should let them know.
It's getting annoying, man. Same shit, different day.
So we've got a big guest coming tomorrow, which is Friday.
And that's presidential candidate...
Also, we are telling the people.
Marianne Williamson.
Friday is tomorrow, I forgot.
Marianne Williamson, she's coming on tomorrow.
She is third in the race for the Democratic nomination.
So yeah, it'll be good to have her on.
She's got some really good ideas.
Really good policy ideas.
Some we may not agree with.
And so therefore, we will be asking her questions.
It will be a town hall style,
which maybe hasn't happened for previous years.
presidential announcements or town hall meetings.
We will have people from the public asking questions,
and it will not be scripted.
Alright, so that's tomorrow.
That's the big guest, but then we've got a massive guest,
probably one of our biggest in a long time,
and I'll put in the top five biggest guests we've ever had,
coming on Sunday.
The biggest.
And the top five biggest guests.
The biggest guests.
Okay.
Maybe second.
From his reaction, I can tell who it is already.
Yeah, no you can't.
Alright, so we got one of the biggest guests coming on Sunday.
Maybe second biggest.
Okay.
Yeah, so that's number one.
Number two...
Vi har vΓ¦rt bevΓ₯lte som f***, vi mΓ₯ stΓ₯ pΓ₯ kurs, jeg har bestΓ₯tt Γ₯ stΓ₯ pΓ₯ kurs, er det en god idΓ©?
Bro, om pΓ₯ fredag og sΓΈndag, du ikke kan, sΓ¦rlig sΓΈndag, du ikke kan pΓ₯ kurs.
Jeg vil ikke kurs pΓ₯ sΓΈndag, men i generell, bΓΈr jeg stΓ₯ pΓ₯ kurs?
Ja, det er veldig vildt, bro. Det er veldig vildt, du mΓ₯ ikke kurs, du kan bare bruke normalt.
Joa, bΓΈr jeg stΓ₯ pΓ₯ kurs? Du tror jeg bΓΈr stΓ₯ pΓ₯ kurs, Joa? Eller det betyr ingenting?
Nei, jeg tror ikke det betyr.
Det betyr ingenting.
No, no, no.
Vi har vΓ¦rt sΓ₯ busk i de siste dΓΈgnene.
Vi har hatt en morgendshow som Danish rΓ₯der.
Hvorfor skulle du svara pΓ₯ det?
Fordi jeg valgte Γ₯ vΓ¦re meg.
SΓ₯ Danish rΓ₯der en finansshow hver morgend.
SΓ₯ etter det har vi en kryptoshow, men det er ikke som DJN.
Vi har en hΓΈg-level kryptoshow, en veldig veldig vettet panel.
The biggest crypto show there is.
So we do that every day now, five days a week,
it's called the Crypto Town Hall,
with two of the biggest names in the space.
And then we do, after that we do the nightly show.
But on top of it, which is what we're doing now,
on top of it, we have two other shows that are weekly now.
We've got the D-Gen show, which is like NFTs,
and again, more crypto, that's twice a week.
And we've got the AI show twice a week as well.
And we're expanding into other niches
that we'll be launching over the next two to three months.
Niche, it's not niche, it's niche.
So essentially, we can officially say, actually I won't say it, I don't want to brag, but we're working our ass off.
We're also doing a lot of content on Rumble now, we've got new team members joining.
To expand our content there.
But yeah, that's just a bit of an update on what we've been doing in the background.
And as much as I hate Slaymans beliefs and I think he's not that intelligent,
I respect his hustle.
He works his ass off.
He hasn't skipped one day of doing shows except yesterday.
Did you do any shows yesterday or nothing at all?
We did zero shows yesterday, we just did the Rumble.
I did a six hour show bro, what do you mean zero?
I did a six hour show.
I did a video for Rumble.
Yeah, exactly, you did nothing.
Oh, is that the news one?
I did a video for Rumble.
It popped up on my feed, is that the news one?
Man, is that the news one? Is that the short that you did? The news short, yeah?
Yeah, you're laughing.
I did four shorts, bro.
I saw one of them popped up in my feed with like zero likes.
It was rubbish.
I know it was, it was.
It was so bad.
It was horrible.
It was rubbish, it was so bad.
Yeah, censor, tell him, I don't know if he's in the audience listening, but just DM him, tell your boy to delete it.
But anyway, let's kick off today's show guys.
Don't delete it, censored.
Just before we do, Alsos, can you give us a quick overview, keep it short please, a 30, and then maybe a 1 minute overview on the Ukraine war.
What's been going on there, because it's like, no one cares about it anymore, yet it's still as important as ever.
So just a 30 to 60 second update on the Ukraine war, and then I want to...
Ja, jeg tror at folk bør bære med det.
Det som er det stΓΈrste tema nΓ₯ er kvartalene fra siden.
Det er det stΓΈrste omrΓ₯det, og nΓ₯, i forhold til russene,
russene er pΓ₯ de defensivne posisjonene, Ukraina er pΓ₯ de offensivne posisjonene,
men det har ikke forandrat mye om territoriet, det største forsøket har ikke vært initieret.
Det er en mΓ₯te av tid, og vi mΓ₯ vente pΓ₯ Γ₯ se hvor mye informasjon kommer til Γ₯ stΓ₯ pΓ₯.
Har vi sett, sΓ₯ har kvartalene fra Ukraina startet, har vi sett mye progres der?
Is it more...
Fairness is pretty small.
We haven't seen a massive commitment of forces.
We're in the initial stages.
This is going to take a long time.
We're talking weeks to maybe even months.
These types of operations.
So we just got to wait for more
and see when we do another Russia-Ukraine.
And last update.
There was also content on...
Not content.
There was a Wagner's boss
who's always just talking shit.
Reminds you of anyone.
He did put a video that they could stop
Dejt at de kvara ut av Ukraina snart. Er det han som snakker skitt igjen?
Pergozhin, Wagner-team, de kvara ut av Bakhmut.
Ja, han talar alltid skitt.
Det er Flumann, vi alle kvara vet hva han refererer.
Og han smasker, han tar ikke bakhmut.
Han smasker dine barn.
Vær forsiktig med Bakhmut, mann.
Den russiske situasjonen...
Du kan ikke si smasker dine barn nΓ₯r det kommer til folk som dΓΈr i en kvarter, men fortsett.
Jeg skulle vΓ¦re veldig forsiktig med Γ₯ ta utsatning om Bakhmut, fordi russene ikke har vunnet territoriet i utsatning.
Men utsatning eller vinnning, det er ingen smasjning av barn.
Det er en bia-sauce.
Ok, fortsett.
Russland har tatt bakhmut, la oss være klare.
Ok, fortsett.
Ok, sΓ₯ jeg tror at denne retorikken, han kan prΓΈve Γ₯ gΓ₯ utsatt for Γ₯ forvandle bordene av Belograd,
fordi det er ukrainske forstΓ₯elser, men igjen, dette er Progozhen Γ₯ vΓ¦re Progozhen,
Γ₯ ta ut allting han sier med en skatt avslapp.
And people do care about it, Mario?
No, people care about it, but not as much as they did before.
And it's very easy to measure.
Just check Google Trends and put Ukraine war,
or just check the narrative, different metrics on social media platforms.
People are talking about it less and less.
Despite major developments, people are,
there's a lot of war fatigue.
And that happens. People move on, and that's just,
Det er en avgjΓΈrelse av Trump, det har skadat mediet.
Det er helt sikkert en avgjΓΈrelse av Trump.
Det er en avgjΓΈrelse.
David, David, David Colum, jeg ser deg i publikum.
Vi har sendt deg en inviter via DM.
GjΓΈr gjerne din telefon, sΓ₯ kan du sammenstΓ₯.
Vi vil gjerne ha deg pΓ₯ stedet.
Men du mΓ₯ bare, jeg vet at du er bekymret til Γ₯ komme opp.
SΓ₯ gjerne gjerne inviter.
Men la oss starte i dagens diskussion.
Daniel Penny, som har blitt avgjΓΈrelse.
Sully, gi oss en overvei.
Hvem er Daniel Penny?
Og hvordan har denne historien blitt sΓ₯ stor?
Ja, sΓ₯ Daniel Penny er en USA-marin, og det som skapte var at han var i New York Subway, hvor en annen individu, pΓ₯ navnet Jordan Neely, var allegerlig kreving og harrassere andre passanger, og
We don't know exactly what happened, and I guess we're waiting for more information on that from Penny's side.
There were some calls made to the police, and eventually, based on the yelling or alleged harassment, he then put him in a chokehold.
He put him in a chokehold for too long, and he died.
At the time there was a significant uproar because some people thought that this was possibly race related.
And so you had some protests, small amount of riots in New York.
And then just now he got indicted for manslaughter charges.
We don't know what the specifics are of the charges because we're going to find that out on June the 28th.
It's second degree manslaughter
and the reason we'll find out on June the 28th
is because that's when he will be
charged and then his
indictment will be unsealed
Ok, and how did this become such a major story? How did it become about race or racism?
Yeah, yeah, because the reason it became about race for some people is because essentially it was a Caucasian man who put a chokehold on a black man.
And then it was perpetuated in the media by people like...
none other than AOC on others who described it, some of whom described it as a lynching and so on and so forth.
So because of that reason, it did cause protests. Some of the protests went a bit out of line as well.
We had people live on the show last time when it was happening, and they were concerned that the protests may end up becoming almost a sequel to BLM, but fortunately it didn't.
Ers, er det noe annet som Suleiman har mist i historien, eller har han beskrivet det bra?
Jeg tror at det er en generik overgΓ₯ende.
Det meste informasjon vi fΓ₯r av utgivningen er pΓ₯ 28 juni.
Det er fra en stor jury som har just utgivet ham.
Mange informasjoner er unΓΈdvendige.
Det jeg vil svarbe er at det er videoer av...
You know, Danny Penny, you're doing a chokehold on Jordan Neely,
and so it looked like in the initial reporting was that he died that way.
Subsequent videos that came out showed that there was a moment that Danny Penny did let him go,
but it clearly shows that it was too late, that he had him hold too long,
and that even though he let go, that, you know, Jordan Neely did die because of that action.
So I think that's just one important aspect to add here.
Ja, og Joe, jeg vil fΓ₯ mer kontekst pΓ₯ hvordan dette ble om ras, og hvor polariseringen kommer inn.
Det er Γ₯ Γ₯pne mediet, alle snakker om det.
Det var ingen av de menneskene som var involvert i Γ₯ holde pΓ₯, ikke i Γ₯ strengle, men i Γ₯ prΓΈve Γ₯ stoppe Jordan Neely av Γ₯ gjΓΈre alt han gjorde.
En av dem var ogsΓ₯ en morsk mann, er det korrekt?
Joe?
You're asking me? Yeah, there was. Plus, it came right after something happened in another state. It was like a week after, so there was already kind of tension which made things worse.
men om jeg kan gΓ₯ inn her tror jeg en stor del av racialiseringen av denne avsnittet og
Γ₯ sammenfΓΈre det med Black Lives Matter og alt det fΓΈrst av alt han var en former mariner
og sΓ₯ var det ingen ansvar til dager og dager og dager uten at han ble identifisert
og slik at dette ble regnet en homoseksualitet sΓ₯ folk hΓ₯pet at
den ansvarsforskningen som alle mΓ₯ fΓΈre, som er du vet ja, kanskje bli ansvarig
and then indicted as we just saw happen, and then of course there'll be all these other steps,
and he'll have his day in court, but it was sort of this assumption that there shouldn't be any response
in this case because the guy was erratic, or sort of acting in a threatening way,
and I think that's what got people really upset about it.
Kevin, can I ask you a question, because from my understanding you are a lawyer.
Can you explain to the audience, because the devil's in the details,
Kan du forklare de forskjellige typera av mannstΓ₯nd,
og hva mannstΓ₯nd i det siste gradet betyr,
om du vet i New York?
Jeg vet ikke om du kan forklare det til oss.
Sure. I cannot provide it off the top of my head, but manslaughter, basically, each of the different levels of homicide are on a varied level of intent and pre-planning.
And so it escalates as each of those factors increase.
And that's why there's so much unknown here.
Because, for example, there's a witness that says they overheard somebody saying, you know, you're going to kill him, right?
So that's going to be something that's an example of when they evaluate sort of the charges brought, specifically as we mentioned,
as we'll learn,
you know, how much information did he have?
He was a Marine, right?
So that's also going to color the reasonable standard
that is applied to him, right?
Because he's going to be judged by people just like him.
What would they have done in this situation?
Would they stop and let go
when they hear somebody yelling, you know,
stop, you're going to kill him, would they know
better, because they are a trained Marine,
and they did have to, you know, go through
this chokehold technique in their training,
so all of those factors are going to come
into play, and I think what was so unhelpful
in this situation is you had people on both
sides, you mentioned AOC, but of course there was
Vivek Ramaswamy, right, jumping in
and giving $10,000 to the
defense fund of this, and this quickly became
a sort of Trump-
grupp versus, right, like the super
liberal group, and everybody's fitting the
narrative into all these other topics
that they want to talk about.
And just one following question,
because I think you mentioned a good point that
there was, because when you first came
up, like, why he wasn't indicted in the
beginning, that kind of led to the tensions.
Do you believe, though, that based on,
just as you mentioned, that there was
Not much is known, maybe not enough fact, that it may be instead of this, the investigators before charging him, maybe they just didn't have all the information easily accessible, or do you believe that there was a hesitancy within the New York kind of like attorneys, the prosecutor's office, to put charges because he was a former Marine, or is it more just maybe they just didn't have the exact information? What is your impression?
I think my impression is less that the people specifically responding to this change their process in any way,
either because this was a sort of person that was a conflict person for the police than they were familiar with on the subway system,
or because Penny was a Marine.
I think what added the real fuel to the fire is that, not the timeline, but the timeline plus.
You had Eric Adams making...
veldig unproduktive kommentarer om dette.
Han mΓ₯tte gi'n, du vet,
tre-fΓ₯ forsΓΈk av hans statement
fΓΈr han fanns avgjΓΈrelse at, du vet,
dette var en tragisk situasjon
for, ja, bΓ₯de Daniel Penny,
men ogsΓ₯ for Jordan Neely,
som har forlΓ₯tt sitt liv,
og hans familie og bΓΈrnene.
Og det tar lang tid
for han Γ₯ fΓ₯
leaders in New York to say, including at the governor level.
So that's, I think, what people were mostly upset about as well.
So all these factors came together to make this one of those stories that goes viral,
and that sort of then is a lightning rod for every other issue in society.
Sully, have you seen, before you continue, Sully, did you see what Matt Walsh posted?
Yeah, yeah, about a quick look.
Yeah, I'm gonna, should I read it out?
I know it's unrelated to the topic, but I think it's interesting.
I don't care if it's related or not.
I think it's an interesting story that just came out.
Sure, sure, sounds good.
So everyone, can you pin it above Sully?
I want all the panellists to look at this.
It's one of those, you know, where we pivot a space to something that just happened.
That could be one of them.
I haven't read through the thread, but I've sent it to a couple of people.
It seems to me it's already got 1.1 million views.
Hold on, is that in the past hour?
Holy shit.
That's in the past hour and a half, it's got 1.1 million views, and it was posted by Matt Walsh.
I might read it out, I've read the first three tweets, it's a 14, 15, wow, okay, 16 tweet thread, 18 tweet thread.
Everyone, check out what we've pinned, check out what we've pinned above.
Suli, are you gonna pin it?
Yeah, I've done it, I've done it.
Remove your post, chilling your own post about Jordan Ely.
And let me read it out, I can't see it pinned, might take a while.
Um...
All source, can you pin it? You've got it as well, I've set it in our group.
Sully doesn't know how to pin. If you can pin it above, that would be great, all source.
Let me read it out, and everyone check it out, check out the thread, or just go to Matt Walsh's page.
One, breaking. We've obtained internal documents from Fox News employees.
Fox is celebrating pride by encouraging employees to read about, quote, glory holes.
Sully, do you want to tell us what glory holes are?
Exactly.
Jawa, it's too silly, it's too shy as always.
To talk about these things.
Jawa, what are glory holes?
Anyway, anyone that doesn't know what glory holes are,
Google it, enjoy.
Supporting a group that gives sterilizing...
Don't Google it, guys.
Supporting a group that gives sterilizing hormones
to homeless youth,
and deployed woke AI to monitor everyone.
Explicit content.
And we're talking about Fox News here,
so that's really surprising.
I'm interested to see what evidence he has there.
2. The documents we are about to show you were produced by Fox Corp, which is the parent company of Fox News.
These materials are presented to Fox News employees when they log into their employment portal.
Let's start at the top.
3. Under the heading Support One Another, Fox encourages employees to donate to Trevor Project,
Ali Forney Center, and LA LGBT Center.
So they are encouraging employees to donate to these three charities, non-for-profits.
En av dem heter Stories of Pride, The Power to Us,
den ledige organisasjon for Γ₯ndsforskning av LGBTQ-familier.
Jeg ser ikke det som en problem. Hva tror du, Sully?
Om du anvender jobbere til Γ₯ donere til en organisasjon for Γ₯ndsforskning av LGBTQ-familier,
sΓ₯ betyr det egentlig ingenting.
Jeg har en anledning til deg, men kanskje en annen kan ikke.
Jack, hva er dine tanker?
Hvorfor gΓ₯r du til panelet? Hvorfor avvider du historien sΓ₯ mye?
no, I'll answer it, I just agree with you
and I thought I would get some more disagree
oh you agree with me, ok that's fine
let us read more before we disagree
because the other organisations
basically just to add to what you're saying
so it's not
like what it is
is every company has the chance
or the opportunity, it's their choice
who they want to promote, what charities they want to promote
we disagree with the charities, I disagree
with a lot of things that maybe for example
Musk promotes, but it's his platform
and he does what he wants
and I even, and I'd say this is much worse
when Musk promotes it, it becomes ideology.
But this is a company,
it is Fox, so them encouraging their
employees for specific charities that they
basically support, that's their
choice. I mean, I always said this, that the left
and the right, really, when you look at it,
a lot of their values are very similar, and this like
beef between them isn't as real as people make out.
But anyway, continue, Matt. Yeah, I'm just changing the title.
Uh, LGBTQ...
Can I just correct you
on that, Solomon? Go ahead, man. Because...
I wouldn't say the left and right are mirror images of each other, but I don't think that Republicans really represent anyone who's on the right.
Yeah, I think that's a fair question, that.
Yeah.
All right, so let me continue reading it.
So I'm just changing the title.
Do you think I put a lazy title?
If someone could fix it, that would be perfect.
Let me, if anyone on the panel wants to fix it,
just send us a title, send it to Suli and he'll put it.
All right, so they've donated to the third one,
is Los Angeles LGBT Center.
Los Angeles is building a world where LGBT people thrive
as healthy, equal and complete members of society.
So I see that to be an issue.
And the Ali Forni Center, the nation's largest non-profit, providing shelter and comprehensive support services to homeless LGBTQ young people.
Again, I don't see that to be an issue, but let's see what else there is.
And it includes two screenshots there,
in which they're encouraging employees to donate to these charities.
And you can have a look at them.
That's tweet number three.
Again, it's pinned above for anyone that wants to check it.
Tweet number four.
The Trevor Project, which Fox says is devoted to helping LGBTQ young people,
hosts a sexually explicit chatroom
that connects children as young as 13 years old
With LGBT adults.
Okay.
So that's an article by New York Post.
If you want to open it up, check it out.
Undercover.
Or is it Undercover Mom Discovered.
Ja, sΓ₯ nΓ₯ er charitΓ©et
i naming en problem, Γ¦skelig.
Hvis disse fyrer, essensiellt,
Trevor Project, som du sa,
hjelper
LGBT unge mennesker
av Γ₯ hoste dem i en sexuelt
eksplisitiv chatroom, og det er for barn,
og 13 Γ₯r er barn.
Det er
Ja, ja, sΓ₯ der er det. Det sier at for eksempel, jeg har vΓ¦rt kjΓΈrende for en bindare, jeg vet ikke hva en bindare er, men jeg har ingen aning om hvor Γ₯ fΓ₯ en.
Jeg tror det er noe seksuelt. Joar, hva er en bindare? Har noen kjΓΈrende kjΓΈrende hvor jeg kan fΓ₯ en relabel bindare?
Jeg har ingen aning.
Det er for Γ₯ binde brev av en unge kvinne, sΓ₯ de ser flat ut eller ikke.
Γ
, virkelig?
Ok, so it's not a sex toy?
It's not a sex toy, it's something that flattens the chest of a biological female.
Ok, sΓ₯ det koncilerar de kvinnlige hΓΈyhΓ₯ndene.
By the way, George, vil du ta ut mikrofonen nΓ₯r du smaker vapen?
Jeg tror det er en god idΓ©.
Ja, sΓ₯ det er Γ₯ koncilere hΓΈyhΓ₯ndene.
Vi kondonerar ingen slags vapen.
Kan du stoppe det?
Jeg rekommender trans-tape.
SΓ₯ det er en respons til noen som har spurt en spΓΈrsmΓ₯l.
Er det din fΓΈrste gang jeg begynte med tomboy-x-kompression-topps?
Faktisk, tror du det er krossing den linjen?
SΓ₯ om noen...
Yeah, because we're talking about children,
encouraging children to alter their gender
is something that's very heated,
it's a very heated debate,
and it's what many consider,
and rightly so in my opinion,
but many consider to be a red line
that shouldn't be crossed.
Sarah, what do you think?
Is that crossing the line
when you're helping kids
acquire things like a binder?
I would have to see more of the context.
I do have a problem with adults
instructing children
barn, særlig om de er unge, om noe sexuell eller sex- eller genderellat.
Som barn, det tar en stor smak i min hΓΈyre.
Trevor Project er viktig Γ₯ understΓ₯.
Dette er en specifik grupp som er dedikert til den LGBTQ-familien,
specifikt for barn og unge som har
i mange falle, suicidale ideasjoner,
pga miljΓΈet de vokste i.
De er i en hushold som ikke aksepterar dem for hvem de er,
som ikke giver dem noen utslipp til Γ₯ utskriva hvem de er,
som gΓ₯r inn i disse problemene.
SΓ₯ Tjernoparken gjΓΈr veldig viktig jobb
til Γ₯ forberede disse barn,
i de minste, i de minste,
Γ₯ snakke med noen,
en kounsel eller noen,
som kan fΓ₯ dem ut av Γ₯ gjΓΈre suicid.
Og igjen,
sΓ₯ er det her jeg har en problem med,
som Matt Walsh fΓΈrst sa i sin tweet,
Did he get a comment from the Trevor Project?
No, he did not.
Okay, well then I think that's number one issue.
If you're a journalist, at least try to reach out to this organization to get contacts.
And then two, provide important information about also what this organization does,
which protects children and teens, LGBTQ, who might not have an avenue, who might have suicidal ideations.
And I think if we're trying to say protect the children, I look at it,
well, I'd rather have a children that doesn't commit suicide for whatever reason
and have an organization that protects them, because you can frame it as sexual in any way, shape, or form.
And I just think Matt and I should try to do clickbait. I'm sorry, I think this is clear as day. It's clickbait.
Let's continue going through it.
Det er unge barn som ikke vet om de er gay,
og de fΓΈler seg ikke god i Γ₯ komme ut i sin familie,
men det har skett siden begynnelsen.
Men jeg har empati mot dem,
men den mΓ₯ten de er tilfΓΈyet Γ₯ komme ut
er det som er alarmant med denne organisasjonen,
hvordan du presenterer det i dag,
om jeg har kontekst rett.
Ja, sΓ₯ jeg kommer Γ₯ fortsette Γ₯ lege gjennom det.
Jeg har bare en spΓΈrsmΓ₯l.
SΓ₯ om noen under 18 Γ₯r,
sΓ₯ om en barn, la oss si noen under 16 eller 15 Γ₯r,
er spΓΈrsmΓ₯l om deres seksualitet,
hvordan tror du vi bΓΈr forandre det, Sully?
Well, someone...
Someone who is 14 years old is questioning their sexuality.
Because on one side,
there is a good argument to be made
that we shouldn't be encouraging children...
or even facilitating children from being able to change their gender.
They're too young to make such decisions.
The real question actually is, why are they questioning their sexuality?
And we know the reason why.
It is because of the manipulation of the media.
Stop blaming. You blame every fucking... Jack, I know you agree.
But one thing, Jack, you don't know this about Soli.
I know everyone does this. People agree, Mario.
You blame everything on the media. You simplify everything.
I'm not saying the media doesn't play a role, but he's playing with the media.
Mario, you need to wake up.
You need to wake up to the reality of the world.
Alright, there we go. I wish I didn't ask you.
Unfortunately, you don't understand.
Look, following, let me go.
If you don't understand...
Okay, so, teenagers...
Wait, listen, gentlemen.
Teenagers follow trends, don't they?
Exactly.
And then, when I was a young man, I'm 46,
I mean, we had goth kids, and we had...
I mean, you know...
Why is all of a sudden, in recent time, being gay or trans now new?
I mean, this has been around since the beginning of time,
and God bless these people who truly are gay or trans.
I mean, they're Americans.
We have to love and protect them, and they have to feel safe.
They have every right.
But why all of a sudden?
all of a sudden do
is trans the new thing
or being gay and bisexual
I mean, come on
Can I answer that?
You do not understand
I don't understand
So, one, I think anybody's
sexual orientation for whatever they decide is none of our fucking business
number one. If you want to identify whatever
that's fine, you're a human being. But, Jack, to your point
and I think this is something that I actually
learned and I looked it up right now and it's true
and ironically it was a podcast
on TikTok
So, there is this, and I'll share it in the group chat so you guys have it, but the history of left-handedness in America.
Because if people don't remember, over 100 years ago, being considered left-handed in America was the work of the devil, right?
And so there's this great graph that shows...
No, not true.
In 1800, 1900, it was not encouraged to be left-handed.
And you see it, and I'm going to share the image right now, and I'll share the article so that way you guys can, if you want to make a tweet, you can post it.
But if you look at the graph of left-handedness in America, it started out at 6% around the late 1800s, it dipped, and then once society changed and accepted it, it jumped.
In the 1920s and 1940s, we saw an enormous increase until it stabilized at 12% it is now, and it's been like that consistently.
Why do I use that as an example?
Hold on, let me finish.
Why do I use that example?
It's the same nowadays.
The amount of people that you meet nowadays
that have always identified as gay,
who are, let's say, in their 40s, 50s, and 60s,
who's always identified gay,
but lived in a society that back then didn't accept it,
They weren't going to come out gay when they were kids, teenagers or young adults.
They came out now.
The reason why we're seeing it a lot now is specifically in Gen Z and millennials,
is the generation that has finally accepted that being gay is okay.
It's the generation that accepts it.
So then it's a lot easier for them to come out as gay.
Gay marriage wasn't legalized in the United States until 2012.
Let me know when you're done and then I'll...
When was gay marriage legalized in the U.S.? In 2012.
Right? Across all 50 states.
So, of course people are now going to feel comfortable to come out gay.
This isn't a conspiracy. These people always existed.
They just hid it, and that's why the Trevor Project is here,
to help people come out safely.
Ok, sΓ₯...
I still don't agree...
This is a false statement.
Go ahead.
Sorry Jack, let me go on this one, right?
I just, it's not, and I've not even thought about this.
Just on the spot I realize that this is the third or fourth time this argument's been used, so now I know it's a talking point.
This left-handed argument is the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard in my life.
Do you have it on a situation, I know Mario doesn't believe it, but most people do.
Do you have the situation where you've got it, where it's perpetuated in every single TV show?
It's perpetuated in every single movie.
It's become law in schools.
You are basically forced teaching children.
You are basically forced teaching, it's happening in TV shows, media, music.
Let me ask you a question.
If you think that it does not impact children and their minds which have not been developed, you are completely ignorant.
So do not give the left-handed example because ain't nobody showing every other kid being left-handed.
Let me ask you a question.
So the thing is you think the media leads a lot of this change that we're seeing.
I'm not saying we shouldn't blame it, just for the record because I know you try to twist words.
The media could be blamed for a lot of things, okay?
Absolutely.
Men du sier atleast, sΓ₯ hvor reaktivt versus proaktivt er mediet?
Mediet ΓΈnsker klikk, de ΓΈnsker Γ₯ gjΓΈre penger, i de fleste fall.
Vi er i forhold til hvor stor en effekt det har.
De ΓΈnsker Γ₯ gjΓΈre penger mer enn de ΓΈnsker ideologi.
Det betyr at de ikke ΓΈnsker ideologi? Nei.
Falsk.
Nei, du talar om at media er i kontroll av denne narrativet, fordi de vil ha klikk, og det er insenitert av klikk.
What you're missing here is the idea that there is somebody behind the scenes that are pulling the strings,
that are leaning on the editorial department.
Now, when Joe Biden got in office, all of a sudden there was a big turn in what we see.
And now all of a sudden we see all these countries going woke.
We see the media pushing this propaganda.
We see big box stores pushing it.
And it's hitting us from every angle.
And you know what?
To the one gentleman who spoke, to his point, yes, whatever you do in your bedroom is your business, but why does it have to be signified everywhere our children turn around? Let's let the children find their own way. I'm going to have four kids.
As of September, I have three daughters, one on the way, I'm sorry, two daughters, one on the way, and then I have a son that I raised as a single father.
Let me tell you what, let them find their way, and if one of my children wound up gay, I would love them all the same.
It doesn't matter, but let them find the way. Why does society have to open it up in an impressionable stage of their life? That's what I gotta say.
And also, Mario, can I just add to one point? You make this point a number of times.
Right?
And then go to David.
Let's just give one example.
Go ahead.
Yeah, sure, sure.
Then we'll go to David.
Just give an example.
So, Donald Trump.
Do you agree that this guy gives ratings?
I agree.
Yeah.
Og i stedet, uten at det negativt har impakt pΓ₯ deres ratinger,
de gjorde alt i sin kraft til Γ₯ utvide ham fra offis.
De gjorde alt i sin kraft til Γ₯ indite ham.
De gjorde alt i sin kraft til Γ₯ utvide ham.
La oss si at, hypothetisk,
de har utvidede, og de har utvidede,
de har ikke blitt brukt mer.
Jeg vet at du har runnet business i den tid,
eller iallaf, du har sagt det, sΓ₯ jeg vet ikke hvordan.
CNN just got a lot of backlash from the left for hosting the town hall with Trump, correct?
Yeah.
They get ratings when they talk about Trump, correct?
Correct.
They didn't stop talking about Trump the entire time before and now.
Now, does that mean they're not biased? Of course they're biased. I'm not disagreeing there.
But they care about money, man. The more you do business, the more you get involved in that world of business, the more you realize...
Yeah, and it's dropped significantly after...
Everyone dropped, everybody's rating has dropped significantly. Everybody's rating has dropped.
Exactly, thanks for proving my point.
It's not all...
Yeah, okay, wait, so I get your point, right?
But, okay, I'm sorry to interrupt, gentlemen.
I think my discussion with you has more logic than the one with Sully, and we'll go to David after. Go ahead, Jack.
tough crowd tough crowd all right so gentlemen listen you're you're you're trying to make it one
thing and in life things are not just one thing there's always multiple gears turning okay the
incentive is is trump drives clicks he drives ad revenue right but hating on trump also drives
ad revenue too so there's an incentive a financial incentive
But how they have the narrative slanted against him
is also the people behind the scenes
leaning on the editorial department.
That's my point.
We're seeing that on many levels.
And going back to the LGBTQXYZ,
I'm not even trying to be suspicious.
I don't know.
Jack, Mario's argument then would be,
because he's saying it's all about cliques,
So according to his argument, if you actually follow it through,
he's not said these in case he cries and says important words in his mouth,
but if you were to follow through on his argument,
what this means is it would have been in the benefit of, for example,
media organizations to continue attacking Trump because it gets ratings,
but by doing it, by keeping him in office, because if he remains in office,
you have more material and then you're able to attack him more.
So actually, if it was a thing that was based on social,
surely clicked
that's how they would do it
see how you just did it now
before going to David
I made it very clear and I explicitly said it
So you don't twist my words.
It's not only about clicks.
It's not only about money,
but money matters more than ideology.
And then what did you do just now?
You just said solely about clicks,
and you made it seem that I said that point.
You've got to stop doing this
and make your points honorably.
All right, even if you don't use honorably,
if it matters more,
your argument still fails.
More, and your argument.
Okay, David, before I...
I don't want to keep going back and forth with Suli.
David, before we continue going through the thread for the audience,
any specific comments on what's been discussed so far?
Then we'll go to Kelly, and then I'll ignore Khaleesi.
I'm joking, we'll go to Khaleesi, and then we'll continue going through the thread.
Go ahead, David.
Hey, you gotta unmute David.
I muted you because you had background noise.
You had echo.
So, hi.
I just want to sort of like...
I know I kind of came in late in the conversation,
so I'm trying to like exactly learn...
Take your time.
Whenever you want to jump in
as you listen to the conversation,
feel free to jump in.
Good to have you.
Kelly, anything to add?
And Incognito,
I brought you up for the first time
because I saw you giving a lot of thumbs.
Actually,
Before going to Kelly, Incognito, I brought you up, you were requesting, because you gave a lot of thumbs up when AllSource was coming.
We didn't vet you, I know nothing about you, so I took a chance and here you are, you just dropped and you got scared.
Alright, cool. Kelly, anything to add before we...
Don't bring unvetted people up, bro, they could be psychos. I'm not saying he is, but it's a risk.
Kelly.
Yeah, thanks for having me, Mario. I was listening to some of the discussion just a moment ago with regards to the Trevor Project.
Can you guys hear me okay? I just want to make sure.
Perfectly fine, yes.
Yes.
Ok, greit. Med tanke pΓ₯ Trevor-projektet og mange av disse temaene som blir diskutert, en av de tingene vi alle forstΓ₯r er at det er en forskjell mellom barn og unge.
Det andre vi forstΓ₯r, veldig basic, er at barn er impressionabel, og sΓ¦rlig fordi deres hjerte ikke er fullt utviklet.
And many of them, we understand childhood development.
Children do not possess the typical capacity to process certain things.
This is why we have a rating system.
This is why there's a lot of protections in place for children, especially when it comes to the area of decision making.
But we also have to analyze on a wider scale, marketing.
Marketing works well.
incredibly well that's why companies because you've just made all very logical and valid and
basic points you said kids are impressionable marketing works which we all agree with so
what's your conclusion out of all of it and i'm doing this respectfully kelly we're a bit harsh
sometimes but i'm doing with all respect and i appreciate being here but what what would be your
conclusion from the debate you've heard now do you think so the i'll ask you more specific question
when we're talking about kids where do we draw the line between educating kids about
LGBTQ, what it means to be
transgender, what sexuality means,
etc. Educating so they have knowledge, and obviously
what age, etc., is another
debate. And when you cross the line to
what's the other term when you
start impacting
grooming.
Thanks, Doc. And by the way, I brought another
unvetted speaker,
his name is Doc, so we'll test him out today, but
When do you draw the line between grooming and educating?
And then I'll continue through the thread before going to Khaleesi and following.
Go ahead, Kelly.
Well, I think a lot of this can be found in training that happens.
If you're going to be a sports or athletic coach,
it's very clear in the training modules what is crossing a line.
You don't put your hand on a child.
There are certain things you do not discuss with a child, right?
These are things that society knew by and large, but if we go to the root of some of the things that are permeating society, be it queer theory or sexual citizenship theory or a variety of these ideas, the goal is actually to not just remove the boundaries, but stand against those boundaries.
And so I would say that we've had very clear boundaries in this regard, but those boundaries are being...
A lot of people are going against them, and I would say that there's a lot to be spoken of with regards to the content in these chat rooms.
I did put something up on the top of our live there from D-Trans Awareness.
And I would also encourage everybody out there who's heard today in this space about the...
I know a speaker was talking about suicide.
I think it would be good for anybody in this space.
Any claim that you hear, search that claim to see if it's substantiated
and search the counterclaims to that.
Because I will say that right now in the midst of research and science,
there's a lot of, you know, I would say concerns about the validity.
No, no, Kelly makes a salient point, something Mario should do as well.
Like you basically look up on your own.
What's Kelly's point?
Kelly, what she said was,
and I don't mind relaying it to you again,
because I think you'll benefit from it,
that whenever you make an argument,
look at the strengths of that argument
and the counterpart,
points to that argument, and then you know if that argument has any merit.
Thanks for the obvious general point that everyone could agree with,
to make you seem like you're smart.
Mario, can I just say something?
Everyone would agree.
It's like someone saying,
all people should be equal.
Kids should be taken care of and are impressionable.
Marketing influences people.
This is what we have to tell you people.
Wars are bad.
And because I said,
and see Mario,
everyone agrees with me,
so I'm so smart,
and all my points are also going to be as smart.
Let me continue going through it before we go.
Let me continue, please bro.
And I know following and Khaleesi are waiting,
but guys, I want to continue with the thread.
So we're up to tweet 4.
If anyone just joined,
we're going through Matt Walsh's thread
in which he exposes Fox
and someone said, you know,
put in the title,
is Fox going woke?
But let's continue reading it.
Let's see how concerning this is.
But we're up to tweet 4,
talking about the Trevor project,
which Fox says is devoted to helping
Host a sexually explicit chatroom.
And I do want to say one thing here.
I don't know much about the Trevor Project,
but you can find negative things in any company, in any organisation.
So it's important to highlight those negative things,
but at the same time it's important not to paint the entire organisation as bad.
What I mean is,
The travel project could be doing a lot of good things.
Again, I have no clue what they do.
But they could be doing a lot of good things in the world.
But they might have some flaws.
Focus on fixing those flaws,
rather than cancelling the travel project.
Suleiman has a lot of stupid beliefs.
But I don't cancel him because of these beliefs,
because he says a lot of intelligent things.
SΓ₯ jeg fokuserar pΓ₯ korrektering av hans dumme trofder,
medan jeg fortaljer hans stΓ₯ende Γ₯ si de smarte tingene han sier.
Jeg har inga dumme trofder.
La oss gΓ₯ til nummer fem.
The Aliforny Center, som vokser prager for Γ₯ reskyre
homoseksuelle LGBTQ-mennesker,
ser ut til Γ₯ anvende pΓ₯ Twitter og sitt website
at det injekter disse homoseksuelle unge mennesker
med krossekshormoner,
som er kvalificert til sterilisering.
Har noen kvar hva krossekshormoner er?
Kjære.
Well, if it's a boy, the cross-sex hormone is estrogen and progesterone.
If it's a biological boy, the cross-sex hormones are, excuse me, the obverse, are testosterone.
So what this tends to do is stop the puberty process if they're, you know, say 10 years old and younger.
So we're talking about hormone replacement therapy?
Yeah.
Right, you're basically talking about sterilization, because what is certain from the science is that the use of these drugs at that age, and they're talking about trans youth, so you're talking about runaways here.
So you're talking about people who have escaped the bounds of their parental relationships one way or the other.
So, Doc, let me ask you a question. What do you think is the right age for someone? So you believe at a certain age people could choose their gender or not? Just so I know where you stand on this.
18. 18 is the age, and it really shouldn't be 18, but that's the legal age.
It should be 25, because it's proven fact, MRI studies,
that the cognitive center of your brain, your frontal cortex, is not fully mature until 25.
So you're very, very impressionable up to the age of 25, absent any lack of life experience.
Tiffany, do you agree with that?
So it really should be 18.
Do you agree with the age that 18 should be the minimum age?
age that a person should be able to choose or change their gender yes because i don't think
it's fair for a parent to make that choice for a child and because it's permanent i was going to go
you can't let me let me get sorry i want to get tiffany because i saw i put thumbs down i want
to go to tiffany sarah and joe on this and then we'll go to following khalisi tiffany
Ja, du snakker om den ideen av genderidentitet.
En av de problemene, og det var kun i kongressfΓΈringene om helse og menneskeservis,
en av problemene er at de aldri snakker om biologisk sex,
eller at de vil snakke om sex som er bestemt pΓ₯ utfΓΈring.
Den ideen av at barn blir fortalt at de kan ha en genderidentitet som er inkongruent med den biologiske sex som de ble bestemt pΓ₯ utfΓΈring,
Like we're talking about made up things rather than just reality and truth is crazy.
And when it comes to public schools in America, just to say, we need to work in the space of facts and truth.
But Tiffany, what would you say is the age that someone, do you think there should be any age for someone to choose their gender?
You know what? I mean, gender is like personality. Choose whatever gender you want.
I think gender nonconforming kids are great. There's no right way to be a boy or a girl.
Fair, okay. What age do you think you could go through hormone therapy?
I mean, when you're an adult, children can't consent to puberty blockers.
They can't make that kind of decision for themselves.
An adult is age 18?
Sure, 18.
Okay, so Joe, what age do you think is the minimum?
Joe and Sarah, what age do you think you should be the minimum?
I think there's professionals who should be able to decide this.
And if the parents don't agree with the professional,
and a parent who doesn't agree with the professional
can get another opinion from a different professional.
and it should be up to professionals unfortunately we have a consensus amongst a medical community
but that's changing mario the tide is turning on this issue okay and um you know we do have um
a new guest and not a new guest someone's been here once before chelsea how are you
good to see you again chelsea hey uh can you hear me all right we can how are you
I'm grand. So we're talking about gender non-conforming kids.
I'm going to tell every parent in this live stream here,
gender non-conforming kids or non-cisgendered kids know that they're not cisgendered.
I can tell you as a kid growing up, having the feelings of not really adhering to...
I have to explain gender as something more than disposition, okay?
Because you have effeminate feelings.
Gay men who very much identify as men who enjoy being with other men.
Gender and sexuality, or gender and temperament, gender and personality, are two different things.
It's an internal conversation that gender nonconforming or trans people have at a very young age.
As soon as they can identify a sense of self, they know that that self might not be aligned to their outward input, so to speak.
As well as...
Sorry?
So what age do you think, and I know Joe answered in a good way, like professionals should determine this,
but obviously professionals even disagree.
So Chelsea, what age do you think a person should be able to not choose what gender they identify as,
but actually go through some sort of therapy, hormone replacement therapy, to be able to change their gender?
SΓ₯ hormonreplasmentterapi er noe annorlunda
enn Γ₯ vΓ¦re gendernΓ₯nkonforming.
En barn som kan være non-binær
kan ikke ha gendernΓ₯nkormoner eller noe sΓ₯nt.
SΓ₯ de to tingene er separat.
Men igjen, det er pΓ₯ en individuell basis,
som vi har sett, og jeg vil ikke negere
at det er barn som har regrett
Γ₯ vΓ¦re pΓ₯ hormoner.
Men det er barn som har problem
Describe feelings of being transgender
Who have thrived
After their parents affirmed their identity
So I think this is less a question of
Trans kids or gender non-conforming kids
Existing
And more a question of
How are we letting them all down
Collectively
Again, I've said this before
Vi har evidens.
Jeg har en stort spΓΈrsmΓ₯l, om du ikke har en, Chelsea.
Jeg tar deg den.
En stort spΓΈrsmΓ₯l, og vi har andre panelister.
Og jeg fortsetter med Matt Walsh.
Vet du mye om Trevor-projektet,
Alifoni-centret og
LA LGBT-centret?
Nei.
Trevor Project hjelper med mental heilighet av LGBTQ-familien, som jeg syns er viktig.
Som en som har gΓ₯tt gjennom fΓΈlelsen av Γ₯ vΓ¦re non-binΓ¦r som barn,
sΓ₯ jeg kan bruke svarene til spΓΈrsmΓ₯l mer enn alt.
Just why do I feel the way I do?
Why do I identify the way I do?
Why do I feel alone in a group of women?
Why do I still feel alone in a group of men?
Why do I not feel this internal impulse
to adhere to any one gender category?
Because, I mean, I think a lot of gender activists
might say that, oh, there's no such thing as men,
there's no such thing as women,
but we do have ideas of gender that go along pretty well.
staunchly kind of along biological lines,
but then we also have a number of people who don't adhere to those.
So there might be people who are asking other questions internally,
but then there might be kids like me
who are just feeling very adrift,
who just need a friend.
A friend more than anything to say what you're feeling.
So when I looked at what the...
the uh... the the money to the travel project what that is out of the trip
i can make it sounds really great for us as a mid-term page
it says it's a leading source of prevention organization for lgbtq
And I said I'm just going to mute you just because of the background noise
And then unmute whenever you want to speak
So I'm like, that sounds great
Suleiman, others said yeah, this is something that's in need
Anyone that deals with suicide prevention
Any organisation should be praised and supported
But then I read a piece on the New York Post
So it was a bit more critical
And I'm going to read out two sections from it
I haven't read the whole piece yet
Because this story just came out
And I'll read out two examples
And then I'll give you my thoughts on it, Chelsea
And I'll get your thoughts and then we'll go around the panel
So I've been looking, so they quote someone who says the following on a thread.
So they run, so undercover mom discovers depravity in Trevor Projects trans chatroom, supposedly for youth.
And the thread by Matt Walsh is critical of the chatroom.
I've been looking for a binder, but I have no clue where to get one.
Does anyone know where I could get a reliable binder?
That's a gender confused adolescent asked on Trevor Space.
And then someone says, I recommend trans tape.
If it's your first time, I started with tomboy X compression tops.
And then there's another example, and I'll read out the other story, Chelsea.
And again, I know we're reading out a few bad examples,
and I know I paint the entire organization as a bad organization,
but I'm just pointing out some points that I think should be concerning for some,
or at least are concerning for some.
Another example is, Rachel said she looked to the Trevor Project in desperation,
quote, when I thought my child was going to kill herself.
The organisation frequently claims that LGBT youth are more than four times more likely to attempt suicide than their peers.
It calls itself a refuge for these people with its crisis services, including Trevor Lifeline, Trevor Text and Trevor Chat.
Under the advice of a quote highly credentialed medical and mental health team, Rachel and her husband decided to socially transition their child a few years ago.
Efter det var barnet hospitaliserat tre ganger for self-harm og suicidalkom, inkomstig i minst en suicidalkom.
I New York, pga banning av transkvesterning av psykoterapi, var sΓ₯kaldt genderaffirmation det eneste legale valget de kunne persΓΈve.
That's what she said.
They were at their wits end until her spouse sat her down
and presented her with a PowerPoint showing statistics
that people who transition are by a huge factor
and much more likely than the general public to commit suicide.
So just two points here, mainly focusing on the chat room at Trevor,
so it's called Trevor Chat, owned by the Trevor Project.
Have you seen similar stories?
What are your thoughts on these concerns around the Trevor Project?
And then we'll go around the panel before continuing the thread.
Chelsea?
Yes.
Well, I mean, the statistics on suicide after transition is mainly due to social pressure, mainly due to people seeing a person who might be in an obvious state of transitioning in some form or another, and having the mental pressure of not being able to find community, not being able to find a place for themselves after transition.
they've transitioned.
So that's maybe less on the Trevor Project,
more on just how do we support people socially
who are transgender, who are gender nonconforming.
How do we support them?
How do we make them feel emotionally looked after?
Is what I've understood the suicide statistics to be.
Khaleesi, any thoughts on what you mentioned?
Ja, jeg ser pΓ₯ webbseiten av denne organisasjonen,
og jeg er konfliktet om det er en stΓΈtteorganisasjon,
eller en promosjon av LGBTQ-ideologi for unge mennesker,
for Γ₯ vΓ¦re Γ¦rlig.
Og jeg tror det er en stΓΈtteorganisasjon.
Det er ogsΓ₯ noe som offer kurs til mennesker
om hvordan man stΓΈtter LGBTQ-ideologi,
And it starts from the age of 13.
What I can't see on their website at all is parental consent required for 13-year-olds to engage with them.
So I have massive reservations there
And I did have some comments on the thread
I know we've moved on a little bit
But I think it was one of the tweets that you read
And all sources were commenting on it
About, you know, these people need to be looked after
Etc, etc
Now here's the thing
The tweet was about homeless people
NΓ₯, nΓ₯r du har dΓΈde mennesker og dΓΈde ungdomar,
om de er hverandre, brun, kristne, muslim, gay, LGBTQ,
den primære bekymringen der er at de er døde.
So why are we giving preferential treatment to LGBTQ, especially if they're taking hormones, as opposed to treating all homeless people equally?
And that was my comment to all of this.
Can I answer that, Mara? One, because that's an organization dedicated to that.
There's organizations dedicated to specific groups of people.
And this framing of like, let me put it this way.
I think people make a mistake and a misunderstanding.
And this is something that Jack said earlier that I just heavily want to push back.
Den ideen av gay propaganda,
LGBT propaganda,
like the Buzz Lightyear scandal,
when the movie came out,
that there was the first lesbian couple
that came out in a movie.
Okay, that's just there to show people,
because there's a lot of kids growing up
in gay and LGBTQ families, right?
It's just showing that it's normal.
Men hang on, altsΓ₯,
don't make a bold statement like that,
saying there's a lot of kids growing up in LGBTQ families.
I disagree.
There aren't a lot of children growing up.
But where is that in the media?
Where is that?
That's the difference.
You can have,
because if you're a kid from Alabama,
who might be from an extremely conservative family,
who does not expose to this,
if you see in the media,
hey, being gay is okay,
it's normal,
like nobody cares,
it's fine,
then,
Like, that is not propaganda.
Like, this is the same conversation
about will and grace in the early 2000s.
It's also propaganda.
It's both things.
Yeah, you've missed the point that I made, also.
I'm wondering if it's intentional.
That's not the point I made at all.
So, this isn't...
about somebody showing it on a TV show.
I'm talking about
specifically in relation to the
thread that Maria was reading
out. They're supporting a charity
and they're saying it's for homeless
LGBTQ. You talked about
how they needed to be protected, and I'm saying
all youngsters who are homeless
need to be protected. Let's not
single out.
It's an organization
dedicated for a specific
group like a million different other organizations that's
Ok, men kan jeg adda, sΓ₯ kan jeg...
Jeg vil bare gi deg en mik til Γ₯ respondere, men jeg vil bare velkom Scott.
SΓ₯ Scott har jobbet pΓ₯ Matt Walsh's What is a Woman, sΓ₯ han har bare jobbet pΓ₯ oss, sΓ₯ det er perfekt tid.
Jeg er ikke sikker pΓ₯ at du har gΓ₯tt gjennom threaden.
Ja, jeg har det. Kan du hΓΈre meg?
Ja, vi kan, vi kan. Jeg vil gi deg en mik right after Chelsea responds quickly to all sources.
Sure, du bet.
And Khaleesi, I'll give you the mic. I appreciate you being here. Go ahead, Chelsea.
Chelsea, you've got to unmute.
I don't think it's a conspiracy to know that people who have different experiences might need different attention.
So we have organizations that are dedicated to different groups of people who happen to be without a house, which all of that is tragic.
And every group of people who have separate needs, who happen to be homeless, might need separate help.
to overcome some of the obstacles that might be making them homeless,
or the obstacles that they face when they're homeless.
The challenges that they're going to face.
But how are the people at Trevor Project,
how are the people at Trevor Project,
how are the people at Trevor Project getting the parental authority
to treat them with medical care that isn't authorized in the state of California?
To give them medical care like...
They don't have parental rights to give those kids those hormones.
They simply don't.
Har hormoner... Jeg har gΓ₯tt inn ganske tidlig, sΓ₯ har hormoner vΓ¦rt diskutert i denne threaden?
Jeg har gΓ₯tt inn en minutt fΓΈr.
Bra, bra, bra.
Se, fΓΈr vi fortsetter, jeg tror Scott er perfekt for nye kvester som har glemt seg,
og nye audiensmember som har glemt seg.
Kan du fortelle oss mer om threaden? Vi er oppe med tweet nummer...
SΓ₯ den vi er oppe med er tweet nummer 6,
i hvilket han talar om LGBT-centret.
which Fox calls unstoppable,
has posted a video of a mother, quote,
surprising her trans daughter with a child's
first dose of hormones.
YouTube removed the footage for terms of service violations,
but a screenshot still is on Twitter.
That's by the Los Angeles LGBT Center.
But Scott, tell us more about
the thread that Mark Walsh put out.
NΓ₯, klart. Da jeg kom pΓ₯, talte vi om Trevor-projektet, klart?
SΓ₯, vet du hva, la oss stoppe med unikornfarts, og la oss snakke om fakta.
Fakta er at i 2015, Trevor-projektet hadde 477 000 kroner av bidrag.
To Γ₯r senere, de er opp til 12 millioner kroner.
Fakta er at LGBTQ, vi har kvart for rett, samseksrett,
om du har enighet med homoseksualitet eller ikke,
jeg har ingen fara, det er ok ene mΓ₯te eller andre, men vi vann de rettene.
Og det jeg har forstΓ₯tt de siste Γ₯rene er at aktivitet er en business.
Doneringer gikk ned, og de finne ut hvordan de kan ta penger.
Og de tar penger av Γ₯ klippe pΓ₯ hendene av vΓ₯re barn.
Det andre er at jeg klippte inn da noen talte om non-binary.
La meg berita deg trΓΈften om non-binary.
Det er bullshit.
It's gender. Gender is basically a series of things that say that girls are supposed to be this way and boys are supposed to be that way.
It's old-fashioned thinking. All transgenderism is, is old-fashioned thinking.
And that person that was talking about needing support, not fitting in, you're absolutely right.
It's called a comorbidity. It's called same-sex attraction. It's called autism. It's called mentally gifted.
It's called mentally ill. It's called abuse.
Now we need to treat that instead of telling them that a unicorn fart can help them with medical transitioning.
I am always surprised when I get on these threads with how calm you parents are.
We're butchering children. We're allowing people to say things like binary and non-binary, which mean nothing.
And what we're doing is these organizations are making millions and millions and millions of dollars.
Chelsea?
Ok, but what about all the non-binary people that existed before Big Pharma?
Non-binary is bullshit.
Explain it.
It's a unicorn fart foul.
Unicorn fart foul.
Unicorn fart foul.
Unicorn fart foul.
Scott Bell, prove it!
I just muted everyone.
So Scott, we'll just get Chelsea to try to prove it and explain it.
That's like debating with you, Mario.
Okay, bro.
And then we'll get you to respond back.
So again, grateful to have you, Scott.
Grateful to have Chelsea.
But let's go back and forth just for the audience to try to keep up.
Chelsea, I'll let you respond to Scott's points and the question of explaining non-binary.
Go ahead, Chelsea.
Over a hundred years ago, we had clinical studies monitoring non-binary behavior,
the impulses of not being drawn to being particularly man,
not being drawn to being particularly woman.
We had studies of it over a hundred years ago,
but the Nazi regime, the Third Reich,
set the clinic on fire that was studying it,
and burnt it to the ground.
It was one of their largest book burnings,
over 25,000 documents.
Now, Scott, I'm actually not even going to debate with you
that Big Pharma is involved with this,
because I actually agree with you.
I 100% agree that everything that we know in America
or know in the West as medicine is being capitalized on.
But that capitalization does not negate all,
all of the history that we have of gender nonconformity prior to Big Pharma.
What I think has really happened is that we do have a phenomenon of transgender people,
of people who don't fit quite within the gender bounds,
who have existed, who are celebrated in different cultures.
There are cultures that have different perceptions of gender around the world for thousands of years.
We have those documented for many, many millennia.
Yes.
We call those people androgynous, sweetheart.
We call those people androgynous.
You just created a new name for it.
You created a new name for it.
You have created a new name for it.
You have created a new name for androgynous.
That's all you've done.
That's all you've done.
Androgynous and non-binary are not the same thing.
Androgynous is an appearance.
Non-binary is an expression of self.
Androgynous is when you can't be quite told
whether or not you're a man,
whether or not you're a woman.
That's androgynous.
Non-binary is something much,
Ok, sΓ₯ non-binari er ikke tilgΓ₯ende. SΓ₯ vi gΓ₯r tilbake til denne co-morbiditet.
Non-binari er ikke tilgΓ₯ende.
Nei, det er ikke sΓ₯ enkelt som ikke tilgΓ₯ende.
Det er en intern samtale om ikke Γ₯ ha en kompulsjon til Γ₯ adhΓΈre til Γ₯ vΓ¦re en kvinne,
til Γ₯ vΓ¦re en man, ingenting eller.
Det er ikke sΓ₯ mye som ikke tilgΓ₯ende.
SΓ₯ hvilke kategorier er det du sier som er mann eller kvinne?
SΓ₯ hva gjΓΈr deg non-binari?
I don't feel a compulsion to be a woman, I don't feel a compulsion to be a man, I don't hate...
So androgynous.
No, so I think the... so what I'm seeing...
I don't feel like I'm a woman. When I'm in a group of men, I know I'm not a man.
You don't feel like you belong.
I was made to feel in my environment that I was broken.
No, I'm not androgynous.
You're not broken.
You don't fit into a stereotype.
Scott, I was not.
You don't fit into a stereotype, and that's okay.
Scott, I was not an androgynous child.
I had long, flowing, fluffy hair.
My mom put me in pink outfits.
Ok, sΓ₯ prΓΈv det. PrΓΈv at du er non-binary.
Ta en test. La oss ta en test.
Hvilken test mΓ₯ du ta for Γ₯ sikre at vi alle vet,
om du er non-binary?
Hvilken test?
Hvilken test mΓ₯ du ta for Γ₯ si at du er levende?
Hvilken test du er medveten om? PrΓΈv at du existerer.
Really? Please, that's so scientific. You can't say that to me. That's a unicorn fart foul. Prove it.
What makes you non-binary? Tell me what the test is. Tell me the test.
I told you. I don't feel composed to be a woman. I don't feel composed to be a man. I don't feel adhering to either of these things.
So you feel like you don't fit in. You feel androgynous, like you don't fit in.
It's not androgynous.
So how is claiming that you're non-binary help you?
Androgynous isn't it?
How does claiming non-binary help you?
How does that help you?
It set me free from a lot of expectations in my life.
It set me free from having to feel like I needed to measure up
to some sort of expectations here or there.
It set me free.
So you get to do what you want to do,
what feels good for you,
and you get to be who you are,
which is you don't fit into male or female,
which again is androgynous.
I don't understand why affirming these...
That's not androgynous. Androgynous is an appearance. Androgynous is when you can't be a man.
Okay, well then prove to me that you're non-binary. Let's get back, let's get back and prove the unicorn fart foul.
Prove to me that you're non-binary. What does that mean?
I'm non-binary. It means that I don't feel like a compulsion.
Okay, how? How do you know that?
To be a woman, I don't feel, why do I know? How do you know? How do you know your scot?
How do you know that you're Scott? How do you know anything? How do you know anything, Scott?
You're taking it away to things that just make no sense at all.
Non-binary is a feeling that you have.
And you know what? You do that feeling all you want. Go for it.
But the main point of that feeling is that you don't fit like you fill in.
No, I actually, now that I've come out of this...
Gender, which is, gender is...
What is gender? Gender is girls like pink, boys like blue.
That's gender, right?
Well, no, gender actually, across all different spectrums,
all these different societies, there's been different expectations
for men and women across different societies.
Pink is actually a very recent advent of the gender...
Prove gender.
Yeah, no, no.
Prove gender.
We can prove biology, we can't prove gender, because gender basically is just one big unicorn fart valve, whatever you want it to be.
Scott, what do you go with the argument of gender being a social construct? Go ahead, Chelsea.
And a social construct...
Yeah, so it's a social construct.
It's a feeling.
It's an expectation.
It's a social construct
which is actually, I think,
very closely related to
the relative binary that we find sexually,
which is female bodies and male bodies,
generally speaking.
Oh my God, we are just making
so many things so complicated.
Here's the thing.
Is you are...
You are a lot like me. You don't feel like you fit in.
And you know what? That's okay.
But putting some kind of label on it that makes absolutely no sense doesn't make you fit in.
It doesn't. It just confuses you more.
Non-binary is absolute nonsense.
I actually feel very good now that I've come out as non-binary.
Can I just say one thing to Chelsea?
When she spoke about freedom, and you said that when you called yourself non-binary that you found freedom.
And I just want to gently say to you that nobody that actually has freedom
feels compelled to have other people understand them or believe their identity or anything about their stance.
And I'm not saying that you're not a confident person.
That's just my issue with the non-binary pronoun stuff is you may be confident,
but what we're seeing on TikTok is a lot of kids changing their pronouns every other week.
you know, 15 different pronouns,
and to expect strangers that are working at a Starbucks or at a Walmart
to be able to identify those type of pronouns is ridiculous.
And so, you know, there is no freedom in calling yourself non-binary
when we're not at a place yet where,
For people to be able to look at you and say, okay, this person is non-binary.
So Chelsea, let me add a question to Scott, and then I want you to jump in afterwards, Chelsea.
Scott, how would you define gender versus sex? Is there a difference, or should there be a difference?
Well, sure. Sex, it's biological. There's only two sexes. There's male, and then there's female. And then we have this gender construct that is basically, you know, I always say human beings are, we're not made for boxes. You know, we're not. And unfortunately, we want to put women in boxes, and we want to put men in boxes, and then we want to...
Then we want to make sure that circles around sexuality and all that.
And here's the problem, is that girls come all different ways.
Masculine, feminine, all in between.
And so do men.
And men are feminine in all different ways.
And you know what? Doesn't mean that they're gay or not or whatever.
So gender is basically how you react to the world.
Is it a feminine reaction or is it a masculine reaction?
And we've been so strict on human beings for so long that now we have created this idea that non-binary, binary.
And basically the problem is that these people don't feel like they fit in.
And I get it.
You know what? So instead of making them change and cutting their parts and telling them that they need something, that this will save them, why don't we just basically move those boxes out a little bit?
Because just letting people talk about non-binary and binary, it's androgyny, it's BS, it's unicorn farts. We need to start calling it as it is.
Thanks, Scott. Another quick question before we go to you, Chelsea. I think a lot of the things you said is in line with what Chelsea's been saying, I think, where youβ¦
What you really disagree guys, both of you,
what you both disagree is
The solution to that, and when you talk about andrology, andrology, wouldn't you say that's biological, that represents your parts as a person, whereas gender and being non-binary is an emotion, it's a feeling, it's a feeling of belonging.
So there wouldn't be, would you agree that they're not the same thing? Just a solution to one of them is different to the solution that Chelsea's proposing.
Are you talking about androgyny? Is that what you're talking about?
Yes.
Androgyny is basically not being feminine or not being masculine.
I think that we are creating...
That's biological. When it comes to non-binary, that's more gender focused.
So the two are different in that sense.
You know what, I probably would get along with her very, very well. I mean, I don't feel like I fit in. I never have before either. But, you know, we're all sitting back and not challenging people with the idea that, I mean, just take a look at the Trevor Project. Under 500,000 two years later, they have 12 million dollars in donations.
And how are they doing that? They're creating just nonsensical things like non-binary and binary.
I mean, what is that? That's basically a box that says that women are supposed to do this, and men are supposed to do that,
and if you like to do what men are supposed to do, and you're a biological woman, that means you're non-binary,
and, you know, it's a fit-in, you need to celebrate that, you need to do that.
You know what we need to do as human beings, as a society? We need to celebrate the fact that human beings come all different ways.
and nobody needs to cut anything off
or take any hormones or do anything
I'm sorry that ruins a whole billion dollar yearly industry
but that's the truth
Chelsea, there's two points that Scott made
and one of them is that non-binary is not a thing
which you're profusely disagreeing with
Or not a thing, but it's more of a social construct that should be resolved in other ways
than changing your sexual orientation, your gender itself.
Og en annen mΓ₯te er at inisentivene er sΓ₯ misalignade med dene kvarterene, og jeg tror vi alle er i samme tilfelle at kvarterene, de er ikke dΓ₯rlige, men de er struktureret pΓ₯ en mΓ₯te som kan lede til mye korruption, og igjen, misalignade inisentivene.
I stedet for Γ₯ hjelpe, de fokuserar pΓ₯ det penger de har tilgjort.
SΓ₯ da gΓ₯r det til poenget, tror du at kvarterene er Γ₯ forbedra noen ting som kan ikke vΓ¦re sΓ₯ hjelpsome, men kan fΓ₯ donasjoner i stedet? SΓ₯ det er to poenget der, Chelsea.
You're muted Chelsea, but I'm not going to. I'm muted just because you got a bit of background noise, that's all.
So while waiting for Chelsea, Bella, are you there?
Bella?
Oh, Chelsea's there.
Sorry, Mario, my wifi is cut out a couple times while Scott was talking, unfortunately.
So the first point is
Should I get a synopsis?
My wifi is really bad right now
I really wish I could have heard what you said
All good, can you hear me now?
I got a smidgen of it, nobody needs to cut anything off
Nobody needs to do any surgeries
That's even what I'm personally advocating for
You know, people say, oh, confident people don't need to tell people what they are. I'm confident enough to be in a room of people who disagree with what I have ascertained as an adult that I am. I'm confident enough to be here in my own truth to stand in front of you and say, hey, I'm non-binary.
I don't really adhere to either being a man or being a woman.
I'm confident enough to sit here and say,
I have this experience.
The whole non-binary thing,
it's not about like, oh, this third person,
special extra thing. It's just people who are outside the bounds.
And that can manifest in any manner that they see fit.
It's not about androgyny. Androgyny is an appearance.
You have cisgendered people who are very comfortable being born male
and identifying as male who might look a little societally effeminate.
And those people are androgynous and those people are beautiful.
Non-binary is something a little different.
Deeper. Gender is something deeper than disposition. It's deeper than temperament. It's deeper than your personality traits.
Because you have cisgendered women who like to cut their hair short, who might act a little what we perceive as masculine.
Those women are still very comfortable in their feminine bodies, being women, identifying as women. Non-binary is something different.
different than that,
if that makes sense, Scott.
I'm sorry, Scott,
my wifi cut out during part of your talk,
and I actually really wish I could have listened to you,
because I actually,
I'm not even going to sit here and say that Big Pharma
has not tapped into this,
because Big Pharma,
har tappt i fukking alt.
Chelsea, fΓΈr vi gΓ₯r inn i grunden...
SΓ₯ i det omrΓ₯det, er jeg faktisk pΓ₯ en del med deg,
at jeg tror virkelig at Big Pharma har
funnet en kjΓΈpare i dette fenomenet,
som existerer, som har
eksistert, som vi finner evidens for
i historien, at det er folk,
de fleste folk,
de fleste folk er veldig komfortabele i deres
kropp, Γ₯ vΓ¦re bestemt over hva de identifiserer seg med
pΓ₯ dΓΈdsdag, de fleste folk er komfortabele i det.
Men det er noen av oss,
who outside the bounds of that have a different experience.
And I think Big Pharma, as you said, Scott,
not even going to argue with you there,
I think Big Pharma has come alongside
and is a part of the experience.
and tapped into this to make money.
I think so.
I'm not even going to debate you there.
I really, really agree with that.
Chelsea, before you continue on, I think...
I just don't think it negates the truth of the fact
that people who don't really fit into the...
Chelsea, can you hear the host?
I've just removed her.
I wanted to go to Grant.
I see you're clapping for Grant.
My question to you is,
do you see where...
Scott and Chelsea agree
and the way they disagree.
Because I've seen them agree on more than
what
they agree on more than what
they disagree on.
Fucking hell, I can't speak anymore. Go ahead, Graham.
Yeah, I mean, I can see where they both have
some points of agreement, and I can see
where they have some points of disagreement.
But I just want to point out that
people who are cisgendered
take hormones.
They get surgeries to alter their bodies.
And nobody is debating that.
I haven't seen a single public debate.
Yeah, but it's not for mutilation.
Excuse me, excuse me.
Okay, that's your opinion, but I live in Miami.
No, but if you cut off opinions, there's no more function.
Hey, hey, hey, please.
Doc, I'll give you the mic again.
I'll give you the mic right after Grant.
Go ahead, Grant.
Cool.
Go ahead, Grant.
Thank you.
SΓ₯, jeg mener, se du tror at det ikke er mutilasjon for en som har en dΓ₯rlig butt-implant,
kom ned til Miami, og jeg vil vise deg hva det er.
Det er egentlig at alle som er 18 Γ₯r eller eldre,
bΓΈr ha absolutt rett til Γ₯ kontrollere deres kropp.
Det er det.
Jeg mener, om du vil gjΓΈre noe dΓ₯rligt,
du kommer til Γ₯ mΓ₯ leve med det.
And then there's one point that I just wanted to make, that I haven't really heard anybody talking about,
because there's two things going on, but with, you know, children that are minors,
you know, there's hormone therapies, yes, but there's also just puberty blockers.
And it's my understanding that the primary treatment is puberty blocking
for minor children that have gender issues, because that's,
Not just reversible, but it's like, it's just delaying things until they become an 18 year old and, you know, can make the decision for themselves.
And so, I mean, there's a lot of debate about everybody saying, what should we tell our neighbors to do?
What should we tell somebody else to do with their life?
But I don't hear anybody saying how much should we respect other people's situations and respect that everybody is different and respect that everybody has their own biology.
And that's it.
You don't pick it.
You grow up with it.
You grow into it.
And that's life for each and every one of us.
It's just that, you know, the majority of people grow into more of a binary gender.
Binary, would you say binary sex?
Ah, ok, ok. Binary gender and some people don't.
Gender, gender.
Some people grow into a binary gender and others don't.
And then we just gotta respect that not everyone grows in a binary gender.
It's just more complex for some.
And then where Chris and, I think it was Chris, Scott and Chelsea disagreed is that
Jeg tror at de bΓ₯re har sammenfattet at sex og gender er annerledes, og dette er allerede et polariseringspunkt som de bΓ₯re har sammenfattet.
Jeg tror at Scott har sammenfattet med Chelsea at det er en spektrum av gender, og det er en sosial konstrukt, og jeg tror at vi alle sammenfattet pΓ₯ denne punkten.
Og jeg tror at der de virkelig har splitt opp er definisjonen av non-binariar.
Og jeg tror at Scott sa at det er ingenting, eller noe som han kallte det,
han har bare definert det annorlunda, han har definert det som ikke-belonging,
og sΓ₯ er hans lΓΈsning til en non-binari person annorlunda enn Chelsea.
Doc, jeg vil bare fΓ₯ din tank om det Grant bare har sagt,
jeg vet at han har prΓΈvd Γ₯ komme inn tidligere.
Ja, jeg er sorg for det, jeg har ingen mening om Γ₯ vΓ¦re rΓ₯d.
Dette er, jeg har barn, jeg har grannbarn,
There are changes going on here in California.
My real objection to this is to focus on the kids.
And that's why I put up a string of boycott Fox News over all of this.
Because what they really are is focusing on the kids.
And they're using the compulsion of their employment with the parents
to adopt and embrace and promote this ideology that really is affecting kids.
What adults...
choose to do with their bodies,
whether you call it mutilation, or I call it mutilation,
and you call it enhancement,
I mean, function, I think, is where the difference is there.
You have loss of function
with these mutilating surgeries,
but that you don't have with
You know, a butt implant, right?
You can still sit down, you can still go to the bathroom.
You know, you actually enhance your social standing because there are some guys that like that.
But my problem is with the kids.
And no, you cannot pause puberty and avoid permanent damage.
You cannot do that.
This stuff is raised out of the swamp over the last five years.
There are no long-term studies about this.
This stuff has not been...
been taught for any period of time in medical schools there's no standard procedures for
creating a penis for creating a vagina out of a penis and vice versa i've been shadow banned
because i've been posting post-surgical photos right non-gory but post-surgical photos of what
this stuff looks like after it's healed up it's an abomination and the suicide rates go up
I need numbers, so I thought these numbers wouldn't be hard to get.
So Chelsea, you did say that the numbers don't show suicide rates going up after surgery,
people going through surgery to change their gender.
Yet Dawkins and another speaker earlier said that it does increase suicide rate.
I think Matt Walsh's thread did say that it increases suicide rate.
Chelsea, kan du gΓ₯ igjen?
Og andre har gjort denne argumenten.
Kan cirkulering for Γ₯ forandre ennes gender
ΓΈke eller redusere sannheten av morsomhet?
Det er definitivt en forbedring pΓ₯ mange menneskes kvalitet.
Det er ogsΓ₯, dette er det som du fortsetter Γ₯ snakke om om suicidale som det eneste utgΓ₯ngspunktet.
Det er andre studier som har vært gjort som viser at for mange mennesker,
kvalitetsaffirmasjon er lΓΈsningen til deres suicidale.
SΓ₯ sΓ₯ lenge vi ser ...
Hva er dataet? Hva er studiet?
Sorry man, it has to do with why.
Suleiman, why don't you jump in, ask Doc or the other speaker before that, where is the study to show that suicide rate increases?
No, no, because I know that I've already seen it.
I'm looking at it, I'm looking at statistics now.
No, no, no, I'm not statistics.
What's the study, Suleiman?
What's the study?
Yeah, yeah.
Ja, jeg vil forklare det.
Nei, jeg vil ikke forklare det.
Jeg vil kjenne ditt studie.
Nei, nei, nei, jeg er det.
Fordi du prΓΈver Γ₯ gjΓΈre det som om jeg er biasert,
men jeg er ikke.
Jeg vil forklare det med grunnen.
SΓ₯ grunnen jeg er forklaringen er,
fordi nΓ₯r det kommer til suicider,
jeg tror Chelsea vet det,
derfor hun sa,
kjenn pΓ₯ alle meisjerne.
And so the suicide rate does go up, and that's a tangible measure.
Someone dies. It's not about emotions, it's not about feelings, it's not about what's black, it's not about...
What's the studies to my man that show suicide rate goes up?
Let me explain, bro, you always...
Alright, go ahead.
You didn't even answer the question, you were avoiding it, but go ahead.
No, I'm not. I'm going to get to it.
So, when it comes to suicide, it's tangible.
Other things you can black, because it's about who does the study.
You can put certain parameters in to make sure that you're demonstrating certain things.
Hence why I asked Chelsea, I didn't ask about the data.
I'm not asking for that.
I'm asking what is the tangible thing that she's referring to.
Because she's saying that there's a positive result.
So I'm asking for what that tangible thing is.
Unless you understood it, please explain what it is.
Okay, so hold on. Before you answer it, no, no.
Chelsea.
The reason for the suicide
I'm not gonna let him do this
Suleiman, you said you know
And there are studies that show that suicide rates
Go up when someone goes through surgery
To change their gender
Correct?
And you said, Suleiman, you're there, you gotta unmute
What is the study? You said you're gonna answer it
You didn't tell me the study, so you didn't answer it
You avoided the question
Ja, ja, eller om du vil gi meg et exempel pΓ₯ ett studie.
Du er pΓ₯ en viss mΓ₯te.
SΓ₯ det er et paper som er skrevet av
Nationalt Arbeid for Medisinsk Fag,
Suisid og Suisidig Behevering
mot transgendre mennesker,
og det viser at det
ΓΈkner signifikt.
Hold on, finn,
hva ΓΈkner signifikt?
Kan du lege ut hvornΓ₯r det ΓΈkner signifikt?
No, I'm not gonna read it.
I haven't got the study in front of me.
No, don't read the study.
Is there a study that increases significantly?
What?
Are you saying this study says
that suicide rate increases significantly
when someone who's transgender goes through...
Bro, you're being pedantic about the words.
So yeah, the suicide rate increases.
I need to look at the percentages and get back to you,
but what I'm saying is,
what you're missing the point is...
I don't want the point.
So just two seconds.
You're saying this study says that
suicide rates increase after you go through surgery
to change your gender, correct?
Yeah, that's right.
Okay, so...
Now you've mentioned
Do you disagree with that?
I don't disagree
I don't know
I don't pretend to know like you
Suicide, so I've just checked it briefly.
A 2019 study published in JAMA, in JAMA surgery, found that transgender people who had received gender affirming surgery had a 42% reduction in the odds of experiencing Parsi suicidal ideation.
The study also found that a 35% reduction in the odds of Parsi tobacco smoking and a 44% reduction in the odds of Parsi suicide.
Okay, let's go with that.
Another study, let me read out both of them and you can go through one.
Let me read out both of them.
I want to counter that one.
Remind me.
Let me read the second one.
There's only two anyway.
Another study published in the journal Podiatrics
in 2020 found that transgender youth
who had been able to socially transition,
i.e. live as a gender they identify with,
is different to surgery.
So that's why it doesn't stick to surgery.
had a lower risk of suicide than those who had not been able to socially transition.
These studies suggest that gender affirming surgery and social transition
can be effective in reducing suicide risk among transgender people.
Just before you respond, I just want to make the point,
I don't think they'll reduce suicide rates.
They might increase it, you mentioned a study on the other side, but I've just said you should have asked both sides of the argument for a study to give an answer.
Can I ask you a question?
I've just shown you studies.
No, no, you're missing the point.
I'll let you finish, I'll let you make the point, and then all sorts, and then we'll continue to the panel.
Let me ask a question.
We've seen studies that make both points, but go ahead, Sulean, and then go all sorts.
know that you haven't seen studies about make-up points, and I'll explain why.
So, before I do, actually, I'm going to ask you, because you like asking questions as well.
So, how did they determine that somebody was going to commit suicide,
and then that suicide rate decreased,
because they didn't, because they transitioned.
I, obviously I don't know, because I've just read the numbers,
but just before you answer back,
I'll give it to you, but just before,
you couldn't even give me numbers, Solisa,
I've already given you more information than given me from your study.
Bro, you literally charged GPT.
I've given you a study, and I've given you a study,
you said it on top of your head, even worse.
Bro, you're being pedantic, like, this is ridiculous,
I'm not going to argue about why I don't know it,
Nei, du er bare pΓ₯ meg for Γ₯ vite exakt hvordan de har bestemt Γ₯ forstΓ₯ dΓΈdsforskning. Hvordan i helvete kan jeg vise det uten Γ₯ lese hele studiet?
Nei, nei, sΓ₯ jeg har forstΓ₯tt det. Ja, ja, for det er en bra spΓΈrsmΓ₯l.
Du har ikke forstΓ₯tt hvordan data fungerer, har du?
En sekund, en sekund, en sekund, for jeg har en spΓΈrsmΓ₯l for Chelsea, for vi gΓ₯r til dette punktet.
SΓ₯ spΓΈrsmΓ₯let jeg har for Chelsea fΓΈr hun fortsΓ€tter, fordi av denne konversasjon om dΓΈdsforskning,
post-transition eller reaffirmation surgery.
SpΓΈrsmΓ₯let jeg ogsΓ₯ har er om vi kan gΓ₯ tilbake til det originale.
og noe vi snakket om tidig, var at Travers Project, tror jeg, identifiserte at LGBTQ-familier er fire ganger merkelig Γ₯ gjΓΈre kvitt.
SΓ₯ kan du, nΓ₯r du svarer til Suleman, kan du ogsΓ₯, er det en tru, fra din erfaring, har du sett at LGBTQ-familier har en hΓΈyere propensitet til Γ₯ gjΓΈre kvitt pga situasjonen de er i?
Chelsea, denne spΓΈrsmΓ₯let tror jeg er for deg.
And then we'll go to Danish.
The question for me about the suicidal propensity in LGBTQ youth.
Correct.
Prior to affirmation or after affirmation, is he asking me?
For there's like a lot of points, because I think the points are important, like after affirmation or before affirmation.
Because I've just looked for a...
Both. If you could do both, that would be great. I want both.
I've just looked for a Stanford study. This is literally just from Stanford right now. I've just looked this up.
Transgender adults, the study found transgender adults who started gender affirming hormone therapy as teens had better mental health than those who waited until adulthood or wanted the treatment but never received it.
So there are studies that say that this is
affirming trans people improves their mental health.
Now, as Scott mentioned earlier,
big pharma has to...
tappt into this trend of affirming people
who otherwise might have been outside the bounds,
might have been outside of the norms of society.
I think big pharma has really tapped into that.
So maybe have they scooped in people
who are asking other questions
who are asking other questions about their life,
maybe those people in those statistics,
maybe they weren't LGBTQ,
maybe they needed other affirmation,
maybe those statistics had to do with people
who are maybe swept up wrongly in this.
But there are some people who say that
Hey Chelsea, does that study say how long they track the post-surgical emotional states of post-surgical trans?
Because it can't be very long, it can't be decades.
We don't know what it's going to be like 10, 20 years from now.
So Danish, you've seen us disagree a lot on studies, and me and Sully get a bit heated, and that's when you jumped up.
What do you want to add to the discussion?
SΓ₯, det jeg ville dele var noen kvicka punkter.
Er dette studiet fra Jack Durbin?
Jeg vil bare sikre Chelsea at du snakker om...
Det er ikke om genderreaffirmeringssukkeret, korrekt?
Jeg vil bare sikre at dette er om affirmationssukkeret.
SΓ₯, jeg vil bare sikre at vi talar om det samme studiet,
fordi dette er et studie som jeg er familiar med.
It's in plus one, January 12th.
Just want to make sure we're talking about the study.
Yes, that's the one, yes.
All right, cool.
So this study is a study that was in plus one, PLOS, O-N-E, for people that want to search.
They looked at 27,000 people.
This is a study from 2015, pre-pandemic, which is important in some ways.
But more importantly, this is a survey study.
For anybody that knows anything about medicine, I have to say that that is one of the lowest levels of evidence that you can possibly have.
Again, people that know me know I try to be in the middle.
So I am, and in general, I think, first of all, I think people should have a right to do whatever they want.
but i do want to also caution that using a survey study as evidence that's that's something that
could also have some other detrimental effects that we have to have the question around risk
versus benefits that's i just wanted to bring that up so number one it's a service study
Number two, what they looked at was hormone treatment in adolescents, not surgery.
So we were talking about surgery.
This is specifically about hormone treatment in adolescents.
And they said, in a survey study, they asked, did they have less...
thoughts of suicide.
So, suicide ideation
is on many different levels.
One is, did you have a plan?
And I don't want to talk about it too much
because it can trigger some people,
so I want to be careful.
But, you know, it's about intentionality.
Thoughts of...
dying, or wanting to die.
And by the way, this study has been criticized quite a lot
by multiple people, not just people on one side or the other.
While it is a survey of 27,000 people,
which means that it's a large-scale study,
it actually was not a very well-run study
because a lot of the questions were leading.
Not just that, Danish.
Danish, the way this survey is structured...
The way the survey is structured, I've done 20 years worth of surveys, the way the survey is structured focuses on how they feel about their sexuality and questioning things like that.
There is a lot of suicide post-conversion that comes from abuse from other people, because now it's evident that they've transitioned.
And that's why you get numbers all over the place.
Because certain surveys will measure one thing, while other surveys measure another.
So we don't really have conclusive numbers, because no one's ever done the survey, constructed the survey,
where it's any cause of suicide, or any reason for suicide, or any suicidal thoughts,
For any reason at all, that's never been done.
And that's why we have numbers all over the place,
because people are trying to construct their own narrative.
So I wanted to make sure that I also addressed another thing.
There's a really well-known study that people talk quite a lot about,
which is the Mills study.
Mills and colleagues, what they looked at was that GNRH analogs, or puberty blockers, were shown in their study to reduce lifetime suicidal ideation.
So this is to answer Doc's initial question.
Again, I will tell you the good and the bad, both ways.
And that's why people often hate me.
But, you know, there is a study from Mills that showed...
that when they used
puberty blockers, they did
show some, they did show
that there was a decrease in lifetime suicidal ideation,
But that study recently in the Journal of Clinical Pharmacology has been completely torn apart because it was undersized.
The beta that they used for sizing the power of the study was inadequate.
So what it tells me is that we don't have data yet.
That's what it's telling us, is that treatment of this...
I'll agree with that. I will agree with that.
I also do think anybody would say that, oh, everyone's going to commit suicide.
That's just a bold-faced lie.
Like, not everyone who undergoes affirmation for a differential gender identity or someone outside, not everyone has a terrible experience.
But there are plenty of people that do.
Scott is an innocent person that was hurt by this, I guess this wave, we'll call it.
Scott is an innocent person that was hurt by that.
So we have evidence to say that some people are harmed by it.
Then there are people, there are kids that underwent these things as children who then had a better life expectancy, who had better mental health, who had a better quality of life.
But then Chelsea, why are we acting like the science is settled?
This is what's been bothering me.
We're acting like the science is settled.
We don't know, by the way...
I mean, I personally haven't, but...
Just to confirm, just to confirm what you're saying.
What you're saying is that there are studies,
and correct me if I'm wrong,
but in terms of just going back to the point of surgery,
reducing the likelihood of a transgender person
of committing suicide.
By the way, this is a very serious matter.
If anyone wants any hotlines for suicide prevention,
DM me and the team will send them to you.
I should probably always say that.
But the question I have for you, Danish, is
what you're saying is that there's studies that make
there's incomplete or imperfect studies
that make both arguments when it comes to this point.
Is that what you're saying, or am I misunderstood?
So what I'm saying is that on both sides, whether this is working or not working,
both sides, the studies are not good.
They're not high quality studies.
We don't have enough evidence, and what we do know,
and this is what's really confusing as well,
we do know that there are long-term risks.
So what I'm saying is...
Vi vet ikke om effektiviteten er stΓΈrre enn Γ₯ gjΓΈre ingenting.
Vi vet ikke om det, i barn og i ungdom.
Og vi vet at de langsiktige effektene av disse
har signifike risikoer, spesifikt nΓ₯r det gjelder
skade av bΓΈnner, osteoporosis og alle disse andre ting
som alle som har gΓ₯tt til sjΓΈforskning er veldig nΓΈdvendig med.
SΓ₯ nΓ₯r du snakker om risikoer versus benyte,
The benefits are uncertain.
I cannot say one way or the other.
The studies are not powered well.
They've not been conducted well.
But what I'm saying is that the risks are clear.
So shouldn't we study this more and understand it better before we start making it standard of care?
So let me go.
Do no harm, right?
Do no harm.
Sully, do you agree with that conclusion that there are studies on both sides of the argument and they're inconclusive?
And that's why I was pushing to ask both sides for studies.
For the conclusion is there isn't any solid studies either way.
Because you've made it sound...
Could I say something?
Go ahead, I want to hear the response.
That is Danish's conclusion,
and this is why I was trying to make the distinction,
but I was intrepid like a hundred times.
The issue is this.
Look...
Where the studies, what Dan is talking about, he's right to an extent, but I don't agree with it completely.
So as an example, there is a study that shows that people who do transgender are 3.6 times more likely to think about suicide.
So now you're talking about thinking. That I agree with.
So if someone's going to give that data point, that's about thinking, that's about emotion.
You can manipulate a study in a certain way to get certain results, biases and so on and so forth.
and that's why i was saying earlier that the difference is what is tangible
is people are killing themselves and what's happening is those people who
are killing them it's not about feelings they've actually went through they've
killed themselves that has happened to transgender people
more and so that's what i'm saying that is what makes it distinct compared to
these other studies which are is your feelings better are you feeling
depressed are you or this one on the other side 3.6 times more likely
about thinking about suicide.
So again, those are the ones that are the same,
but the distinction is the tangible one.
So the question, I'm sorry,
I want to push back a little bit on that,
because there's a big difference.
Hold on, but I don't know,
before you ask Ben,
the study I mentioned, the JAMA one,
also talks about a 44% reduction in the odds
of past year suicide attempts.
Attempts is no longer thoughts.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
Solomon, that's the exact study.
That's the why I want to ask.
Yeah, the why.
Because I think it's important to know
any person who's LGBTQ,
whether they be gay,
whether they be a lesbian,
whether they be trans,
is always at some point going to experience
adversarial sort of attacks in their life.
Yeah.
after they come out or before they come out, regardless.
So I think that also has to be an important factor
in when we're debating why is the suicidality going up?
Well, is this person in a safe environment?
Is this person with a community?
Because that's another very isolating thing I know as a queer person.
It's very isolating to have these questions,
to go through these motions as a person,
to ask all these questions of yourself,
and have no one.
no one to hold your hand who cares about you as a person.
And that's really, I think, some of the things that are being...
That's a chicken and egg thing.
Can I say something?
I haven't said anything this entire time.
So if I could just have a minute here.
That's a chicken and egg thing.
We all know that all of a sudden,
whoever it is that is dealing with social problems,
they're alone, they're not popular,
They try to find themselves.
These are always the ones who end up
questioning whether they're binary,
whether they're trans,
whether they're some sort of alternative.
They are the perfect prey
to be...
I'm sorry, do you have any evidence to speak out of
what you're talking about?
Social isolation is the highest
factor of psychosis
or suicide.
I do, I do.
The feeling of loneliness leads to this.
I feel like that's a pretty significant statement.
Do you have any evidence behind this,
that they have pre-existing issues that lead to this?
I didn't say they have pre-existing suicide.
No, I didn't say that.
As someone who has medically transitioned, can I maybe talk you through that whole suicide thing? Would you guys mind?
And by the way, Chelsea, I'm sorry, I got too heated with you. We don't agree, and I can tell that you felt that you don't belong in life, and I have my whole life too.
So it's okay that we don't agree. I do think non-binary is BS, but that's okay that you do. We can disagree on that, so I apologize for talking over.
Scott, you dropped out. I think someone cold called you. Hold on, let's give it a few seconds.
Can anyone see Scott?
No, she dropped. She probably got a call.
She or he, sorry.
I think it identifies as a lesbian mother.
No, she, she. Lesbian mother speaking out for kids.
Trans man, sorry. Trans man, he, he, sorry.
Scott, are you there?
Yeah.
Alright, so I think he did drop out.
Just going...
So Mario...
No, no, no, no, no, no.
Yeah, please.
Okay, Suleiman, can Grant have two seconds?
Suleiman, up to you.
Okay.
Because I know what Suleiman's going to do.
My friend Suleiman gets really irritated when he doesn't finish a point where everyone thinks he's right.
He's gone for hours.
We're going to continue the discussion tomorrow night for sure.
Grant, go ahead.
Don't worry, this will be really short.
So I'm just reading from a study.
It's a peer-reviewed study that was published in Curious.
I found it in the National Library of Medicine.
And it's called Suicide-Related Outcomes Following Gender-Affirming Treatment, A Review.
So it's a review study. It's a study of studies.
A narrative review was undertaken evaluating suicide-related outcomes following gender-affirming surgery, hormones, and or puberty blockers of the 23 studies that met the inclusion criteria.
The majority indicated a reduction in suicidality following gender-affirming treatment.
However, the literature to date suffers from a lack of methodological rigor that increases the risk of type 1 error.
There is a need for continued research in suicidality outcomes following gender-affirming treatment
that adequately controls for the presence of psychiatric comorbidity in treatment, substance use,
and other suicide risk enhancing and reducing factors."
So this is a review study of 23 other studies that found that the majority of them find that gender...
Grant, I feel like you just completely glossed over the second part.
I mean, that second part is probably, we're talking about something where we know there are significant risks.
They literally said that these studies were not high quality enough and there needs to be further research.
That is literally, that came out of your mouth.
That's right.
And we're now talking about this.
I just barely finished saying it before you jumped in and said, you said something, which I did.
Well, Grant, the study doesn't support your point. It actually proves the other point.
No, the study proves the point.
They can't prove the benefits of it.
The study proves the point that...
I have to go in just a second, but I think really what we're finding here is that there's evidence to suggest that there are people who struggle after their transition for whatever reasons, and there's people that don't, who have an improvement in life. I think it's pretty safe to say that studies have found both outcomes, but we don't have enough evidence to suggest that.
why someone might still have struggles after their transition,
I'm telling you as a queer person,
any queer person, whether they be gay, whether they be lesbian,
whether they be trans, is going to face problems,
is going to face problems,
You know, discrimination in their lives, period.
So that could also be a factor.
And that's what many queer people seem to believe.
That's what I personally believe might be a factor.
There might be other people.
Again, as we said, Scott in the live stream was an innocent person
who got swept up in something that did not align to who he is as a person.
Did not align, but got swept up in it anyway.
And then there are people on the absolute...
polar opposite side who had their lives drastically improved, who have amazing lives.
You know, I think it has to, we can't just say, oh, this is definitively one way or the other.
I think Dinesh said that earlier, we don't have enough data to say, you know, definitively this is the answer.
But we do have several answers.
Vi har flere ansvarende Γ₯ kjΓΈpe fra, som er at vi har dΓΈde mennesker som Scott som var skadet,
objektivt, en dΓΈd person, og sΓ₯ har vi andre mennesker som har utgjort seg, som har en fantastisk kvalitet i livet.
SΓ₯, hva som helst vi snakker om, begge utgjortes.
Men jeg har Γ₯ si, takk sΓ₯ mye.
Chelsea, kan jeg fΓ₯ en par spΓΈrsmΓ₯l fΓΈr du gΓ₯r?
Vi har en guide fΓΈlgende.
Chelsea, fΓΈr du gΓ₯r, kan jeg fΓ₯ en par spΓΈrsmΓ₯l?
Jeg er bekymret, for jeg vil være helt respektfull.
Om jeg spΓΈr deg en spΓΈrsmΓ₯l som ikke er nΓΈdvendig,
det er ikke utvalgt Γ₯ prΓΈve Γ₯ antagonisere.
Jeg vet egentlig ikke.
SΓ₯ jeg vil spΓΈrre deg noen spΓΈrsmΓ₯l.
FΓΈrst og fremst,
You were born, you were assigned a particular gender.
Was that male or female?
I don't care, it doesn't matter.
Female.
Okay.
So, at a certain stage in your life, you came to question your gender,
and whether or not you really were female.
Is that correct?
Yeah.
Okay.
And when you started questioning it,
I assume at some point you probably dealt with various mental health professionals
to help you sort through this?
Nei, det var ingen forskning.
Forskningen om genderforskning var ingen da jeg var barn.
Jeg er 30 Γ₯r, sΓ₯ vi snakker om 25 Γ₯r tid.
Vi snakker om at det var pΓ₯ fjellet av pediatrisk mentalt.
Jeg er av den fΓΈrste ADHD-generationen.
Det var min generasjon.
De var pΓ₯ vei til MacGyver-style.
SΓ₯ nei, forskningen var ingen.
Jeg er av den generationen.
Did you get any gender affirming treatment at all?
No, the science wasn't there.
And also, I grew up in Alaska.
I grew up in Alaska in a very conservative Judeo-Christian environment.
So gender nonconformity was not even a thing that came up in my peripheral vision
until I was 18, easily.
Would you agree that it's more of a struggle to be someone who has a conflict between their gender and their body,
than someone who is assigned male or female, and never questions their gender at any stage of their life?
Would you agree that it's a much more challenging life to live? Does that make sense?
Yeah, just challenging in different ways. I don't want to say that anybody doesn't have...
struggles, because there are cisgendered women in this
livestream who have their experiences,
there are cisgendered men in this livestream
who have their experiences. Yeah, if you're
conflicted between who you feel
you are internally, and what's going on in your
own body, yeah, that's a difficult
struggle. It's just, it's a different struggle than what
And I know you have to jump off, Chelsea, so I appreciate you being here.
We'll give the mic. I do want to get final thoughts from Nicholas, Joa and Khaleesi.
But Scott, Chelsea, the discussion you both had was the highlight of the show.
Really appreciate you both being here.
Thank you, Scott. Thank you so much.
Thank you, Mario.
I just have one last question, Mario.
Last one, last one.
Yeah, the last question I have is, given everything that we discussed, Chelsea,
Would it not be logical for people to think that if someone is struggling with their own gender,
rather than giving them cross-gender hormones,
but to rather give them a boost of their own natural hormones,
so that if it's a girl that she should be given estrogen,
or a boy he should be given testosterone,
before we start trying to help them cross over the Rubicon into becoming a different kind of gender?
Is that not logical to try that first?
Getting a male with more testosterone could cause them to grow female traits.
That's what happens to guys that take too many steroids.
eventually the body turns the excess
Grant, Grant, Grant, she's gotta go
Grant, Grant, Grant
There's actually
been studies
on the brains of transgender
people
that have found the shape of
transgender women, despite being
in a biological male body
the shape of their brain more aligns to a
female brain, and vice versa for trans men
their brain more aligning with that
of the, oh shit, there's a motorcycle
one second
Oh good, the background noise is not bad
ok, ok, ok
no, so there have been studies to suggest
that transgender women obviously having a
biological male body, their brain
shape more aligns to
that of what would be perceived as a female brain
and vice versa for trans men
so transgender isn't just
like, oh just give them hormones
to fix it, no, no because they already
have the hormones, they already have the
hormones, they have a biological body
producing the hormones
Chelsea, where's that study at?
I have to find it again.
That study is actually pseudoscience, though, because it doesn't account for gay men and women, lesbians either.
So it studied that, but it didn't actually show, the accuracy is not very well known.
Okay, okay. Then maybe it's bullshit.
By the way, Chelsea, sorry for the following, it's just a...
Han er en fin man. Har det bΓΈler deg nΓ₯r noen sier at han har gjort det inintentionelt?
Har det bΓΈler deg Scott Chelsea om han har gjort det inintentionelt?
Har det bΓΈler deg om han har gjort det inintentionelt?
Unintentionally, if you're coming at me with love and acceptance,
and we're just having a talk, I'm not going to scream at you.
The other day, that one guy who was coming and screaming,
fuck that guy.
But respectful people, I'm just like,
oh, well, let's just give him a second if he wants to adjust to it.
But I'm not going to freak out at anybody about that.
People are being polite.
Chelsea, thank you so much for being here.
Scott, same question to you.
Yeah, thanks, Chelsea.
Thanks, Chelsea.
Yeah, so...
So pronouns are actually chosen for us with our subconscious.
I mean, the work's already done.
There's no need for us to kind of work around it.
We instantly hear or see male or female.
And we do that from an instinctual point of view.
If we were in a corner and all of a sudden we heard all these men come in that were aggressive,
we would react different than women.
So all that stuff is already done.
Anybody that looks at me and has a conversation with me and uses female pronouns...
doing it to prove a point, and I have no problem
with that at all. So, for
me, I chose to medically transition.
I, you know, you call me whatever you
feel comfortable with. What
I chose should be something that I should
impose on you. Final thoughts, Nicholas,
you've been quiet the whole time. Appreciate you being here, man.
We did pivot the discussion from
The train in Sydney, to the Matt Walsh thread on LGBTQ,
and Fox News apparently going woke, according to some.
But we'd love your thoughts on the discussion before we go to Joanne Khaleesi.
Well, I just think that, you know, for the most people, if you're over the age of 18, you live your life, you do you, and nobody really cares.
I think the main issue comes with children. I think Doc is right. It's about the children, and what are we pumping into their bodies, and at what cost?
And I think, you know, it's something that, long term, we may see some really big problems going forward in the next 10 years, because we know...
Joa.
Yeah, for every action there's an equal opposite reaction, and I firmly believe that. I was saying yesterday, it's not even about Trump anymore, he's just a symbol of what they believe, so you have very conservative nationalists.
trump listen it's how is this about trump it no no trump was a she i don't know
and now you have the opposite has nothing to do with trump i'm saying you have the opposite now
right where trump is a symbol of nationalist concert national conservatives now you have
the ultra accepting freedom uh and this is why these charities raise money the charity didn't
do anything different it's still it's the the left trying to use the symbol of being free
which is now apparently trans people,
and they've used this symbol to show
we're accepting, we're free,
which is the opposite of what
Maybe they should be lumped in together.
Khaleesi?
They shouldn't.
Doc, you sound nothing like me.
I'm sure Mario said Khaleesi, not Doc, right?
No, I said Doc.
I don't know if you can hear me, Khaleesi.
I just love trolling.
Did you say Doc?
I said Doc.
I don't know.
You can hear me, obviously.
You can't hear me, Khaleesi.
Go ahead, Doc.
No, I'm joking.
Go ahead, Khaleesi.
Nei, nei, jeg er bare en teising doktor, en venn.
SΓ₯, hΓΈyrre, det er en god diskussjon, men jeg er med Joa.
Jeg var nΓΈdvendig til Γ₯ snakke om
den LGBTQ-issue og Trevor-projektet,
og litt mer om threadet du var pΓ₯,
for jeg tror det er ganske viktig om
hvordan dette er, og jeg tror personlig
at det er blitt styrt, men om eller ikke dette er en narrativ
som er blitt styrt.
SΓ₯, jeg tror at en poeng jeg vil ta er at
When Chelsea was talking, and a few other people, I believe all sorts made this point as well, in some sort of a vague way that he did,
but that, you know, 13-year-olds are confused and they need assistance and help, and this is what the Trevor Project actually, you know, promotes, that we reach out.
And I've just read an article from a mom whose 13-year-old was actually, you know, really coerced into, you know,
questioning her sexuality, she went through
and became
transgender, and then she had suicidal
thoughts, and then they had problems once
she'd actually, you know,
kind of
for a change to sexuality and accepted that she wasn't a woman.
But my point is, any 13-year-old in the UK,
if you went and said to them between the ages of maybe 12 and 14,
if they felt like they belonged, if they were confused,
there'll be a percentage of them that won't feel like they belong
due to either broken home or drugs or just not fitting in
or natural hormones or whatever.
They'll feel it's a confusion age for teenagers, right?
At that age, if a charity like this takes them to a posh,
and I'm just looking at what they spend their money on,
which is why I'm saying this,
to posh events, wines them, dines them,
and literally this is what they're doing,
and I can send the article,
and there's three events on,
and it's a countryside hotel.
If you do all of that,
and then you're also promoting the fact that,
look, it's okay if you question yourself,
maybe you don't feel like a female,
maybe you need to look at alternatives,
it's...
Impressionable Minds at 13, I just don't think it's a good thing.
Sarah, I'll let you respond, and maybe Doc and Sarah, how about we do this, if you don't mind.
We're going to do a subscriber-only space after this, it's been a while,
we're a bit more free-flowing.
If you want to join there, give you the mic if that's okay.
Sarah, Doc, I'll bring you both up, perfect.
Sarah agrees, and Doc agrees.
So for anyone who doesn't know, we do subscriber spaces here and there,
where...
It's a smaller group, it's unrecorded
We kind of get a bit heated
And we're more chill in the things we say
And that's why we cancel each other
We cancel one another
So Sully, I know you
I want to apologize also to Sully, I did interrupt you a bit too much earlier
What was the point you were making earlier
And then we'll end the space and we'll go to the subscriber only space
Sully, go ahead man
Sully, anything? Or we'll jump off
He's not gonna talk.
We have PTSD, man. You're gonna cut us off.
What do you mean cut him off?
Oh, and his face.
No, I was gonna actually genuinely give him the mic.
What an idiot.
I was genuinely gonna give him the mic
because he was complaining to me in the DMs.
You want me to go first so you believe him?
Say that again. Sorry, Alsos.
Oh, you're gonna cut me.
No, bro, I was gonna go to Sully,
because you wanted to talk about the,
you wanted to complain about the fucking,
Before you go to Sully, let me just say this,
let me just say this, I think...
