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Mawari DIO Special AMA
Recorded: July 29, 2025 Duration: 1:07:42Space Recording
Short Summary
Mawari is set to launch its public DIO following a successful private sale, marking a significant milestone in its journey. With strategic partnerships and innovative technology for real-time 3D content streaming, Mawari is poised for substantial growth in the XR space, aiming to revolutionize how immersive experiences are delivered.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. GM, GM, everyone.
Can you hear me that on clear?
Hello.
Yeah, I hear you.
Fantastic.
Okay.
I think we're waiting for a couple more folks joining.
Yeah, just invited his flow Thank you. Hi everyone, thanks for joining in. Just give us a couple more minutes as we wait for our
other speakers to join in and we'll get cracking. Thank you. Okay, I think Aldera is coming a bit later, so maybe we can proceed.
All right, that's fine. Thanks everyone for joining in. This is a very special space,
and this is off the back of an incredible achievement by Mawari recently with a 100% subscribed private DIO sale through Republic,
first of its kind, fully regulated Reg D in the US. And looking forward, there's the Mawari
public DIO tomorrow. So today feels like a great day to be connecting with all our partners that have been supporting
Mowari. So let's kick it off with some introductions. And of course, to the partners
we have on call, thank you Arbitrum Eastflow for joining in. Would love to also know in a quick
sentence about this collaboration with Mowari. So, Luis, do you want to go first?
We can have a quick round of introductions
to know who's behind the profiles,
and we'll get started that way.
Sure. Well, hello, everyone.
I'm Luis, founder and CEO of Mawari.
CEO of Mawari. I'm happy to have everyone, especially the partners that are supporting
I'm happy to have everyone,
Mawari here. So I'll let them introduce themselves. Maybe I can go ahead and explain
about what Mawari is. But first, I guess, let's make justice to our stars, which are the partners.
Let's make justice to our stars, which are the partners.
Absolutely.
Arbitrum, Chunk, you want to go next?
Yeah, sure.
Hey, everyone.
I'm Chase.
I am on the partnerships team at Offchain Labs for the core builders of the Arbitrum tech stack,
helping build out the Arbitrum ecosystem.
And been working closely with Moari for, gosh, almost a year now.
Really excited to be here.
Thanks, Chase.
Who's behind the Eastflow account?
Today, it's me. I'm Ajay. I've been working with the team on building Eastflow for the last two years.
Eastflow is the service. We help projects, deepen projects, build and launch their network from the network orchestration to support on the distribution of the participation rights,
as well as supporting their communities with operating the nodes.
So you can kind of, I think we abstract for both the projects
and the communities.
For the projects, we abstract the launch of the network,
and for the community, we abstract and remove all the hurdles of deploying
the node and participating in the network. Thanks Ajay and thanks Chase. So Luis, over to you. I think
it's been an incredible achievement seeing what we have with the private EIO and soon we have the
public EIO. So firstly, how are you feeling
for this incredible achievement?
And maybe it would be great to introduce Mawari
in a few sentences as well.
Sure.
Well, first of all, very excited.
It's a very pivotal moment for Mawari in general.
And just as Chase said, we've been working almost for over a year.
So actually getting ready for the DIO, it took us a year. Actually, one of the first
partners that we met was also AJ. We're lucky to actually find this guy. Actually,
also can say that because of AJ we're working with arbitram he's
the mastermind telling me why that should be the way so it's a yeah very interesting uh and happy
to have uh both partners here uh and then about mawari um, so what we're building, we built core technology to stream 3D content in real time.
Just as seamless as you stream YouTube or Netflix
and you press click and within less than a second
you have content in any device you want.
We realized that there was not such technology for 3D and specifically for XR.
So back in 2017, my co-founder, Takeo and Alex, we decided,
okay, that's something that is a problem that needs to be solved.
We spent close to five, six years in R&D. We created core technology.
And when it was ready to go to market and scale, it got very interesting because it's like,
okay, we assumed that hyperscalers were going to help us scale, meaning AWS, GCP,
but our use case is very unique.
Since we require low latency and distribute,
compute and rendering in real time to close to the end user,
we actually do need a very distributed network,
and that's something that the architecture
of the high-space scalars is not set for.
So we had to look around, got inspired by Render Network,
by Helium.
And then shortly after we joined Outlier Ventures,
Basecamp Accelerator,
and we solidify our Web3 value propositions so now the the entire point of
the company we call it the immersive compute network which is a network of orchestrated
nodes that can be cpus and gpus that all work to together to provide real-time delivery of 3D content. So we have two sides to the business.
One is the supply side,
which is orchestrating all the infrastructure
and making it readily available for our clients.
And then the other one is actually enabling
this new type of content to be streamed and scale.
So in a nutshell, that's what Mawai does.
And if we simplify it, what are the use cases?
Think about like Ready Player One,
that you have your own avatar
and you're casting yourself into the reality
of another person, less futuristic today,
you have ChatGPT, you connected to to a 3d avatar and you start talking to them so instead of talking to this avatar in a 2d screen you put
on the glasses and you are actually um interacting with a almost a real person so that's that's what we do at Madwari. Thanks, Luis.
I know personally the future of AI and XR definitely excites me.
And you're right about how important partnerships are in the space we're in.
So if I ask Chase and AJ, what was it about Madawari that specifically drew you to them?
And what are you excited about when it comes to Mawari's context, XR and the future of XR?
Chase, you want to go first?
Yeah.
The first time I met the Mawari team was at a small conference in New York.
And they were actually doing demos of their product.
And I remember putting on the headset and talking to someone in XR.
And we had a full five, 10 minute conversation. And then at the end I go, all right, thank you.
You know, bot or whatever she said her name was, um,
assuming she was, you know,
bully like a character that they had loaded in there. Uh,
turns out she was completely real person on the other end of the
world essentially i forget i forget where she actually was
but we were having a full conversation in real time and oh by the way she was dressed up in like
a really cool and um so when i realized that they were able to do that with this technology
i knew that you know there was much much more they could do because this was still in like
an early early iteration of of the product itself you know, just really excited to see them push forward.
And I think having spent more and more time with the team, you only get push. was there uh was there another question in there or no sorry i think i had some connectivity issues
aj you want to go next?
Yeah, sure. I think the best way, I think what Chase said is very interesting.
I still remember, I think last year, end of last year,
we were invited to Japan, it was my first time,
and I actually get to test the product firsthand.
And obviously, we're in the space, we care a lot about dpen we're a lot in gaming and
we've been supporting a lot of projects as we are expanding our tech stack we always try to find
those projects that that we could consider a flagship product that's using our technology
stack so we we had the privilege one of of testing the product firsthand it works it was fun
I think I even was on a stage wearing it and everyone in the audience and we're having this had the privilege one of testing the product firsthand. It works. It was fun.
I think I even was on a stage wearing it and everyone in the audience
and we're having this interactive entirely difference, right?
Like we all work from home now.
So it kind of opens all those light bulbs in our heads.
So like imagine if this is how we're interacting
with each other in the future.
Then also been, as I mentioned,, any company that builds an infrastructure,
the main thing we're always looking for is this project that we say, those guys are actually using
our technology, right? And it's not really an easy mission in such an early stage environment.
And I think what they managed to achieve, to have this already live and working in such a short time frame is really impressive.
Last, which is, I think everything comes down to the real builders behind it, right? And we've been
working closely for a year. Generally, some of the most committed, hardworking people I've worked with
while they're playing. It doesn't matter, right? we're working all the weekends different time zones so you have the tv scattered across japan canada uh europe and we're working
very very closely um i genuinely believe that that's kind of like the tip of the iceberg
all what's what's going to be released in the next days is very exciting and to have someone
that's actually using the technology right there is a lot of node projects out there,
but if you look at the actual node consumption,
if you look at the actual technology stack behind it
and the actual problem that people are trying to solve,
it's not just about the incentive project,
the incentive behind it, but it's also...
I mean, incentive goes both ways.
How can you decentralize and distribute the network?
How can you reduce latency? How can you decentralize and distribute the network how can you reduce latency
how can you solve this this very ugly problem of of big devices putting it in our heads like
most of my friends would not use a vr like the quest 3 or something because it just it's so
bulky it's so huge and when you find someone that's working at such a solution how can we
abstract that size right how we can make it just a regular glasses and move the compute off device?
I think it's a mission worth pursuing for sure.
Thanks, AJ, and thanks, Chase.
I think you've covered on critical items and the performance of any project, right?
performance of any project, right? The team, the product, the vision, etc. And Louise, going back
The team, the product, the vision, et cetera.
to you, we heard AJ just talk about nodes and how critical they are to any infrastructure. So
firstly, with Mowari, what is it that you're solving that hasn't been solved by existing
Web2 players? There's definitely a huge decentralization component,
and then through that comes the nodes, the DIO that you've done.
So how do you relate that?
What exactly are the Guardian nodes?
How do they support the network?
What is in it for the users?
What is it for the creators?
What is it for the node runners?
So we'd love to hear your perspectives on that. Luis, if you're speaking...
Oh, okay. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Okay.
So, yeah, there were many questions.
So I'll start with the first, like, what's the problem we're solving?
We're probably the bottleneck of there's not enough immersive 3D content in the internet
yet.
And this is because, one, there's no way to distribute it at scale. So we created the technology
that allows to stream it seamlessly.
But also let's call it like the call start problem
in the end that is like, okay,
so without use case, there's no demand.
So we're actually working closely with the demand partners to actually nurture these use cases so that we bring the demand to the nodes.
Because, yes, nodes are in Syshell, but if the nodes don't have any work to do, then what's the point of having nodes, right?
So that's the whole point. Chase and AJ described the use cases that we presented.
But there are these type of use cases, especially in Asia,
where users are already paying top price, top dollars,
for these type of experiences.
It's not just a technological demonstration,
but it's more what I would describe.
It's very rare, but it's more what I would describe like it's very rare,
but in consumer XR, we actually have found product market feed in which the user is willing to pay for the service and they return and there's constant feedback loop on that end. So that's basically the problem that we're solving.
Two, what are exactly the guardian nodes
and how are they
to the, what do they mean to the ecosystem?
Well, the guardian nodes are
the core of the network.
Basically, they are these players The Guardian nodes are the core of the network.
Basically, they are these players that play as a checkers,
or we could call it even validators, but in a very different way to how blockchain validators work
because they verify every stream that we do,
that every second that we do, that every second that we stream,
it has been streamed, rendered correctly,
that the content is correctly,
that the network behave in the right status,
like for example, low latency, high bandwidth,
that actually the GPUs, for example, provide high bandwidth that actually the gpus for example provide the
correct hash power so so let's call them they're like the guardians because they secure the network
and they make sure that all the players are aligned and that nobody is cheating so they
play an important role because just imagine that we start onboarding
commercial partners into a network that has no guardians
and that there's no governance and that it's not organized.
We wouldn't be able to compete against AWS or GCP
because then our SLA would be very low.
So, so, Guardian is also helping that sense to my network
to understand the behavior of the network,
the other nodes and how to optimize that.
We strive for that excellence in service levels
agreement to our clients.
agreement to our clients.
Well, that's an incredible primer on the Guardian nodes.
And clearly, to democratize access to these
and to ensure they're scalable, we
have partners like Eastflow and Arbitrum.
So AJ, if i go to you um
so what role has um eastflow played in ensuring the the io to date has been a success um
i mean um it's probably one of the i would dare to say one of the most projects in the entire community on our side I've been extremely excited about.
Right. And like, probably if you look at it, how can we deliver?
I think the question that the theme I've been always asking when we were looking at this is how can we deliver a value add for the user?
this is how can we deliver a value add for the user how can this be a fair opportunity from a
participation from value adds from inclusion as well to everybody that want to have access there
is not this crazy node sales structure of like i don't know 100 tiers and uh crazy implied ftb
etc etc right so they have been at least from my experience, everything they were designing,
and we were tweaking our infra in order to make sure that it fit that case, is how can this be a
very fair approach? How can it be inclusive? How can we ensure that this is done the right way?
From the e-flow infrastructure side, obviously we've been working together on the
node orchestration framework and how can this be distributed and how can it provide the right KPIs, right?
From measuring geolocation to measuring quality of service, etc., etc.
Again, it's a really strong network team that Luis and Alex have built.
So it's been also very intriguing for us.
How can we, I think, I think we spend a lot of time improving even our tech just because
I think the right design partner kind of helps.
But then obviously on the DIO, which I am not sure if it's already announced or not,
the dates, right?
I think it did.
I think, I think this would be a really good experience for
everyone there is not many sales that i have been privileged to be part of that's facilitate and
allow this kind of easy access uh again i don't want to be the one giving all the the perks that
will be that will be there but uh from accessibility it will be it'll. From way of distribution it will be really great
with the current plan and there is also all the perks that we're even preparing at Eastlow for
the participants on our side from our community. Thank you, AJ.
Well, okay.
I would also say that why did we choose eSlow is because I would say that I would mirror what AJ say in terms of work ethic and working hard. AJ is always
ready even if I call him at 3 a.m. And yeah, we push each other to answer. Yeah, they're
also kind of like the correct design partner for us. I mean, we have a real use case and it's like, okay, yeah, we can actually
make these nodes work and really innovate in the way this Web3 software has been deployed.
So yeah, it became a very good partnership, but I would call it also like a friendship in the end,
because when you have so much aligned mindset in terms of product
innovation things just fly that's also why aj said that we did it fastest is because of that i mean
it is not only on us thanks thanks louise i think that's incredible to see how such close partnerships can really expand. And like you were touching upon earlier on how Eastflow, AJA helped with Arbitrum and, you know, how does it enhance the scalability and performance of Mawari?
As someone who's definitely been a node buyer in the past, there have been multiple nodes I've bought, especially within the Arbitrum ecosystem.
And Arbitrum definitely seems to be the place for it.
So what is it about Arbitrum that drives this?
Yeah, a couple things.
So Moari is actually launching with a very similar model to Robinhood.
Moari will be launching some of their stack, for example,
like their token on the Arbitrum 1 network.
And they'll be launching their own chain to go along with that as well. So what that means is
Mawari gets to have their own custom block space, which they have designed to fit the use cases and needs of a decentralized
XR network or a decentralized compute network for XR to be specific.
One of the things that attracted them to Arvitrum, and I hope that I'm not revealing too much
by saying this, is when we met, they were actually planning on launching on Solana.
And what we told them was you plan to,
your plan is to pay Solana validators fees in perpetuity for the rest of the
existence of your protocol.
What if you could take those fees and internalize them
and perhaps even turn them into revenue centers for, you know, where the users of your chain are
actually going to pay you revenue every time they decide to use it. Additionally, they had some
contracts that were already written in Rust. Arbitrum is the only EVM chain that allows you to write smart contracts in Rust, C, and C++ with stylus.
So it was a pretty perfect, beautiful fit.
And then why are a lot of these node sales happening on Arbitrum?
these node sales happening on Arbitrum? Yeah, it's essentially because Arbitrum is
incredibly neutral block space and it has tons and tons of ETH. I believe it has more ETH than
any L2 at this point. And because the node sales themselves are usually taking in ETH or stablecoins.
You want to be on a fast, cheap network with the most ETH.
So like, for example, I don't know exactly how many ETH Mawari raised,
but if it were 3,000, 5,000, 10,000 ETH,
that would be like 1% of all the ETH on blast
or something like that,
or 10% of all the ETH on another smaller network.
So yeah, fast, liquid, credibly neutral chain,
I think is why Mawari chose Arbitrum 1 for its node sale
and, you know, fast and customizable
for why they chose Arbitrum Orbit.
Thanks, James.
Luigi, do you want to touch upon that for a brief bit
before I move on to James from Caldera?
Thanks, James, for joining in.
Sure. Thank you, James.
Nice to meet you.
I know you've been working with my team a lot,
but it's the first time that we get to exchange words.
So thanks for joining.
I really appreciate it.
Also very excited about the partnership with Caldera
because that was the other missing piece in this puzzle.
So I will comment first to Chase's. We have a very complicated architecture because effectively
we have four types of nodes, each one with a very specific task. And then our verification process has a very specific data set that no chain actually is not that customizable to actually validate all the points that we need.
So we really needed a custom approach.
and yes, Chase made another valid point.
And yes, Chase made another valid point.
Okay, so as we make a roll up on top of Arbitron 1,
we can actually have a little bit more control
on what's the economy of our own ecosystem
because the way we see it is,
okay, so we have created a content delivery network for XR, right?
And we're spearheading some use cases.
We launched the B2XR platform, but that doesn't mean that other projects wouldn't launch on the stack that we built.
and launch on the stack that we built.
Like, we have had a lot of requests.
Like we have had a lot of requests.
Okay, so you already built a low latency edge network
for distributed compute.
It also works for AI.
It also works for other use cases
that at the infrastructure layer,
but also on the XR layer,
there's a lot to be built on top of us.
So that was one of the drivers
because then part of the
economic design of the DIO is, okay, so it's real world utility and real rewards, right? So
we focus on actually not on the hype, but actually, okay, there's real work to do for our guardian nodes.
And we have a say on how these fees are distributed.
So it's actually nurturing back the ecosystem, which is what is the most important,
a very aligned ecosystem to bootstrap a network
that we imagine will be the size of Akamai or bigger,
it's not an easy feat.
So we really need a very aligned early adopter ecosystem.
And this is why we are doing this in a very different way.
So that's in the end, one of the main decisions
why we chose to partner with Arbitrum.
Also, I mean, the team is top class, of course.
And in terms of a, what do you call it, ease flow?
Well, again, when I was doing my research about,
okay, so what are the actual players in the Node ecosystem?
And I'll say it very loudly,
AJ was the only one that didn't bullshit me.
So that's actually, okay, this is a smart and know his shit it's not he's not talking about
something that uh it's just an imaginary uh napkin plan or or whatever and and yeah and
then after that i saw how he we were at uh in token 2049 in Singapore, and he just kept talking at 3 a.m. about nodes.
Okay, so this guy is a node addict.
It's like, okay, yeah, that's the right way
to actually work with us.
Then he's brave enough to eat puffer fish
without knowing what it is and risking his life for my worry.
So more kudos to AJ.
So that's also another reason why we chose Isla.
Was that the deal breaker, Luis?
Well, I mean, it was funny because I thought everybody watched The Simpsons,
that episode, but I guess I'm too old in which they go to Japan and they
eat puffer fish and
Homer thinks he was going
to die.
I literally thought everybody
knew about it and then AJ and
Sandra were like, what the fuck is this?
And it was actually
quite funny. Maybe funny for me
but not for them, but I'll let
AJ talk to that.
I think that's a good vibe check. It's quite funny. Maybe funny for me, but not for them. But I'll let AJ talk to that.
I think that's a good vibe check the next time.
AJ, you want to just quickly comment on that before I move to Matt and James from Caldera?
Yeah, I mean, it was definitely an experience, especially when you know after, right?
What you just did.
But yeah, let's say my life count to expectancy was going down really fast and uh luckily luckily we're still here uh but the one thing i would double down on is is just the
network itself how it's being orchestrated how it's being broken into different nodes kind of
catering with each other um doing different services um a, big point that when you're always looking at
how to design a node, say, or a node network,
is what is the hardware cost?
What is the state?
What's the node doing, right?
What's the actual function?
Is it the status node or does it require to have storage?
There is, within the network, there is GPU nodes.
There is CPU nodes in this case.
So like the whole architecture of how the services are catering to each other how you can actually decrease that
latency how can you how can the tech actually be live and ready and usable today I think that will
take that will impress a lot of people because it's just live right it's being usable it's not
that we're doing a node sale and then on the road map
in the next six months we're going to release verifying blocks and then in another six months
maybe this will work it's it's the economics of the network is live and working right that's the
yeah thanks aj and just touching upon another absolutely critical partner, and as Louise was hinting on how complicated the infrastructure is, a lot of it wouldn't have been possible, of course, without Caldera.
And Caldera is clearly so excited about this partnership. We have two team members from Caldera, Matt and James here.
two team members from caldera matt and james here so matt uh we we had a brief round uh previously
explaining um with each of the partners talking about what mawari means and uh and how it fits
into um their ecosystems so what's excited you most about mawari and how is caldera helping mawari
And how is Caldera helping Mawari?
Totally.
And thanks for having me on.
I'm Matt.
I'm one of the co-founders of Caldera.
It sounds like you guys already gave a brief description of what we do,
but for maybe any folks in the audience who just joined,
we are like a blockchain scaling platform.
So we're most known for helping people launch their own customizable blockchains
on top of Ethereum using the top stacks, like,
for example, Arbitrum. I think we've been excited about Mawari for a long time. We're really,
really excited to work with you guys. I think basically the reason why we founded this company
now over three years ago was we just wanted to enable blockchain to power like real and,
you know, large and especially like kind of like real time experiences.
And so anything that like is pushing the frontiers of blockchain is very, very exciting to us.
And of course, like Mawari, I think is definitely one of those projects.
You know, I was looking at your website as well, you know, the other day just to prepare
for it.
It's a beautiful website, by the way.
But, you know, just the idea of using blockchain for like CDN and for like delivery of like
AI applications, that sort of thing, it's really something that is like a net new
contribution in this space, I would say, right?
It feels very different from anything else
that anyone else has built.
And so it's really, really exciting for us
to be a part of that.
So yeah, thanks for having us along on this journey
and we're very excited to work together.
Thanks, Matt.
Luis, you wanted to go?
Sure, yeah, likewise. Really, Matt. Luis, you wanted to go? Sure. Yeah, likewise. Really, thanks. Nice to meet you. Happy that you joined as well, and really excited also for this partnership.
your tech stack is so robust and it's just ready to go
that it actually allows not to focus on reinventing the wheel
but actually focusing on exactly what you mentioned
in the CDN and actually streaming,
scaling this streaming and pushing the boundaries
of blockchain rather than actually focusing
on building yet another chain, right?
So this is why we are so excited
because without Caldera,
probably we will still be building
and we are very, very, very close to Destin.
So this is very exciting.
Thanks, Luis.
James, you want to add your perspective as well
before we move on to what the future of Mawari looks like?
Yeah, yeah, sure. And yeah, also excited to be here. AJ from Eastflow, like definitely, I think, was one of the folks that connected us.
Been working with AJ for a long time, so it's glad to see him up here and obviously Arbitrum and Chase.
And I see Miro down there as well. But yeah, I think like for me something that like always always really stands
out uh especially about mawari and like you know their use of blockchain right is is the fact that
it's like purely an upgrade of like the current rails and it wouldn't be possible without blockchain
and i think that's like one of the really big unlocks um that not only like caldera and
arbitrum help power um but something that's like really unique about like what mawari is building
but something that's like really unique about like what Mawari is building, right? Like,
you know, these, these, you know, immersive streaming experiences are obviously powered,
powered with a lot of different AI experiences. If you're trying to do these things on like
current existing like Web2 Rails, right? Like you won't have the same experience
and you're not able to power the same sort of like use cases that make it really fun and exciting without crypto.
And I think like an example I always use, right, is like, you know, something you need with blockchain with these like real-time experiences, right, are just like a lot of uptime, right, low latency.
And even if you think like to current streaming services or even like, you know, playing games, right, like there's so many times when, you know, things get overloaded.
There's a lot of latency, you know, things don't stay up.
And that's something that, you know, with crypto and with blockchain specifically, right?
And with the infrastructure that, you know, Arbitrum and Caldera Power really unlocks,
right, like this full experience that allows you to, you know, come into something that's
really new, like Mawari, and like have
those unlocks that you wouldn't have had otherwise.
So I think like that's really what excites me about this in particularly is, you know,
it's an upgrade of the current Rails that wouldn't be possible without blockchain and
without all the software that, you know, Eastflow, Arbitrum, Caldera is all running to kind of
power Mawari.
So yeah, super excited about this
partnership and about what you guys are building. Thanks, James. Luis, over to you. We've heard
incredible things from the partners. Clearly, everybody's excited. And I mean, this is an
absolutely stacked partnership, not to mention all the other countless partners Mawari undoubtedly has.
So what's next? We've had an incredible private sale of the DIO. We have the public sale coming up.
So what can the community, the users look forward to in the upcoming months? What's on the horizon for Movari? Well, what's next?
I mean, tomorrow, as you saw on Rx, we're opening the public DIO.
So we are full on, making sure everything works.
We have other partners also involved uh to to make that happen uh i can say that in august and
september there will be a lot of exciting news on the demand side because just uh launching the dio
and going into testnet is just the beginning again as i said if if there's no demand for these nodes, what's the point of the nodes to exist, right?
So we're also working very, very, very hard on that end.
So tomorrow we will have a big party.
So I hope everybody can join.
We'll have a couple surprises.
Also invited Miro here, which is a man himself the head of my wearing network
and just so i would just like to first of all say thank you for also your hard work uh he's also
exactly how aj describes the team uh incredible work ethic for silence and really always ready
to push the boundaries of technology he's the one
working day to day with the caldera team so that's why i invited him so yeah if you can introduce
yourself and just say why you joined mawari and then yeah just talk a little bit of what's uh
what has been your role on working with caldera arbitram and isla
role on working with caldera arbitram and isla
sure hello everyone great to be part of this party this morning this evening wherever you are
thank you so much everyone for being here um well i'm miro head of moral network um well
i joined maori because when i first met alex Luis and the rest of the team, I was impressed by the vision the team had and the pieces that were required to bring, let's say, a better sense of presence and really push the boundaries of how we use internet and content.
So there was always a purpose for that.
And at the time, Louise and I were talking would talk about like okay what would be the platform for
that how we would unlock uh a new a new a new frontier of these so i was coming from meta um
building uh glasses and xr on on for facebook and instagram at the time. And then switching to my wife was like, okay,
I believe that the big techs,
they have other problems to figure out
and they will take some time
to really build all this ecosystem.
So I think there was always this idea
that startups, they have the best opportunity
to really thrive in a new industry, right?
They can really focus on that
so fast forward to today we've been building uh for over two years the more network we tested
and we are ready with the testnet and and the the whole technology of maori is part of that right
now we can stream content real time, orchestrating nodes globally,
and now we are close to these node
sale that we can really open up to
the participation of, of, of, of,
let's say global players, right?
Global participants. So,
and we are coming from this world
in which we want to build XR for everyone.
Right.
But that's all about infrastructure.
So you don't do that alone.
And you need the right partners.
Right.
So Arbitrum, EasyFlow, Caldera, Halborn.
Like we need to get the best guys in the space to really help us to push the boundaries of that.
And in in a more we have a very clear vision about product like we want to deliver something that's super simple for people.
Right. So it's not about using blockchain because it's cool or using XR because it's probably the next thing or AI or wherever is really creating what makes sense.
probably the next thing or AI or wherever
is really creating what makes sense, right?
So yeah, that's a little bit about the context
of where we are, why we're choosing these partners,
why we are building this,
and we're very excited about the next steps now.
Thank you, Mira.
Thanks, Mira.
Thanks, Mira.
I mean, this is incredible hearing your background and your pieces on Mawari and why you joined.
Shows that, you know, there are stack partners, stack team, and clearly some very impressive achievements in the recent past.
And tomorrow is going to be another incredible day.
So, Louise, how can the community get involved?
How can the community engage with the Guardian nodes,
with the Mawari infrastructure?
What's the easiest way for them to do so?
Well, I mean, the answer is obvious.
What I'm allowed to say basically is visit our website,
go to X, go to our Discord, go to Telegram.
There will be a lot of information there.
I mean, if you feel that you have the technical passion to run a Guardian Node and collaborate
in building the next generation of the internet, feel
free to join the DIO and run a guardian node.
We have also other roles in the network that will be announced as we go on to the test
net.
So that's also another way to participate.
And more importantly, even if you just like XR and the future of XR and AI,
and you believe in our vision,
just by spreading the word, that's enough for us.
I mean, we're here for the long run
and we're really just trying to build that infrastructure
that will allow to bring that internet to everyone
and make it more fair in that sense,
more democratized than the current internet.
Thanks, Luis. That's extremely bullish.
As someone that has been very keen on seeing the developments AI can make,
very keen on seeing the developments AI can make.
Having XR is definitely the next frontier,
and Mawari is clearly leading the way.
So just as a final question,
to all the partners here, to all the speakers here,
and Luis, we'll leave you for the final sign-off.
But we've seen a lot of developments
in the so-called metaverse in the past.
They've tried, they've failed. We've now seen the emergence of AI, and through that, we've seen
a lot more developments now on VR and XR. So what are we looking at in terms of XR in the next five
years, and what role does Mowari play in that future vision? Miro, you want to go first? I
wanted to switch up the speakers a bit. So Miro, you want to go first and then we go to our partners next.
Yes, I can do it. Can you repeat your question? It broke for a few seconds for me.
Yeah, absolutely. I was just saying in the next five years, what do we see
as a future of XR and what role does Mawari play in that future vision? Of course. Yes. Well,
five years for now, or within five years, let's say we crossed as industry, I mean, this new form factor of devices use glasses in many different forms.
I'm not just speaking about VR and AR.
We are talking about now smart glasses as well, as we see Meta, Ray-Ban, and Oakleyley and some other brands coming up,
we crossed like 100 million devices already.
Okay.
If we spend all the categories of devices.
So in everything, I'm speaking about devices,
it's part of this umbrella called XR.
Okay.
Of course, active devices and content is still ramping up.
But I remember like four or five years ago, most of the studios, game studios and content
studios, they were not ready for XR.
They were not even considering VR, not even if like big companies were paying them to
do so.
And today is a completely different story, right? You have big studios already bringing their content.
We have new movies being produced exclusively for that.
Like James Cameron is working on one of that with Meta, for example.
So, um, we, we are at a very important moment right now, which is 4XR is not too soon anymore.
So we are going to see more and more devices.
We're going to see more and more content
and more reasons for people to jump into this.
I think the play of Apple and a few other companies
to show that these new glasses are extension
of what we have right now.
So we spend most of our days in screens right tablets and phones and computers but then these devices these new devices will
extend that experience for us but needs to extend experience in a way that makes sense so in five
years from now with ai powering all of that it's going to be easier for us to interact with these glasses by voice, by looking at the components and really interacting this in a more, let's say, natural way, right?
We don't need to type in a lot process for, let's say, content production and consumption through these new devices that will dramatically change the way we interact with the Internet overall.
So that's how I feel we are in this process, in this transformation.
And Moraira is infrastructure for
that, is the backbone for that. It's our vision. It's what we are seeing happening right now,
and we are building for that. We are building for that. We already have the tech and we need to scale
up. Thanks, Mira. That's an incredible vision. And if I go over to Matt from Caldera,
how would you think about the five-year vision?
TANJAY DELAYANI- Totally.
So I was actually a fairly early adopter
as a consumer of VR and XR.
I owned a first-gen Oculus Quest way back in the day.
So this is a topic I'm really excited about.
I think Miro kind of hit the nail on the head.
Like it feels like the tech is getting way better more quickly.
And you know, at least from an infrastructure perspective, we actually kind of saw a similar
thing in blockchain infrastructure.
And I think we're going to see it in XR infrastructure as well.
That like once the kind of flywheel gets going, like, um,
you know, progress will just increase at like a rapid pace, right?
Like there'll be more studios producing more XR content that will push hardware forward,
which will then, you know, require better infra.
Obviously, Mawari is like a huge part of that.
Um, and the improvements in technology again, lead to like more content, more experiences, and of course,
more consumer demand. And then that flywheel is just going to keep going. So I'm very, very bullish
on the space. I wish I'd built more in the space. I haven't. I'm entirely a consumer,
so I wish I had better insights. But overall, as a consumer, just very, very excited.
But overall, as a consumer, just very, very excited.
I wouldn't say that you're not contributing.
Clearly with Mawari, you're definitely a critical underpinning of the infrastructure that's going to lead the way.
So I think directly and directly, you're definitely involved.
So thanks for sharing that.
Chase, over to you.
Chase, over to you.
Yeah, I think, you know, as someone who's not huge in the world of gaming or in the world of XR, but has done the Apple Vision Pro demo once and was absolutely blown away.
I don't see us going backwards from here.
I'll say that much.
You put one of those things on, especially the newer model, the newer headsets,
and you know for a fact that the world is going to be more and more through some sort of lens.
You know, Meta just did a major acquisition or investment into Ray-Ban, which is owned by Luxottica, which is like one of the last standing monopolies in the world.
So they're diving extremely deep into that, I think people think that Meta and some other brands have forgotten about the metaverse or forgotten about VR.
Just like the same way they thought that fintechs forgot about crypto a few years ago.
They're still focused on it.
They're still very much focused on these things.
The more attention that these
corporations can capture, the more value that they can potentially capture. And, you know,
putting glasses or goggles on your face is probably one of the best ways to make sure
that you're always looking through their lenses, pun intended. But not to be too dystopic about it. I think that, you know, it will improve our
ways of communicating with each other and we'll be able to be better connected and feel closer
to people all around the world as well. Yeah, absolutely. As someone whose parents
live in another country, it would be incredible to live stream them instead of Zooms and Google Meets,
to feel like they're in person.
I mean, that's just how I see it.
So thanks for that, Chase.
AJ, over to you.
James, we come to you,
and then Luis, we can get your final sign-off.
So I'm a product guy, right?
So that's the only thing that can get me exciting about
an opportunity is like how good is the product is what kind of a problem it solves
um is it something that can change people's lives right or the way we interact with something and
i still recall the first time i met miro actually in person and we spent like maybe a couple of
hours just talking about all those different devices and the
compatibility issue. Right now, if you're building, like if you remember, I think there's a big
problem like maybe 10 years ago or so, or like maybe eight. If you're building, if you want to
have an app cross-platform, right, or cross-devices, I think that is like a very big problem when you're
building a mobile application, for example. I think from all the conversation and all what I saw the guys building and working on,
I think there's a way to streamline that, to abstract that kind of cross-device compatibility,
running a substantially distributed node network that can be enhanced and improved
based on geolocation, based on SLA's that can cater and deliver
to an institutional or let's say more corporate clients, but also the retail clients.
I think being part of that opportunity and who knows, maybe next day we're having, we're
all just using the Mari stack and kind of like having all those avatars and almost sitting in the same place,
I think it would be a very interesting experience.
Thanks, AJ.
James, over to you.
Yeah, I think everyone kind of was right on
to what I was thinking and kind of said it all.
I think like similarly to Chase, most new technologies as they're coming up move cyclically. I think we've seen that with VR and now XR.
And I think once the underlying infrastructure continues to get better and the application layer of it, if you will, also improves.
These things tend to hit an adoption scale that wasn't previously possible.
That's how I see it moving and what I think I'm excited about for it as well.
And I think we'll see that and excited for Mawari to lead that way, of course.
But yeah, that's kind of my view on it.
Louise, thanks.
Thanks, James.
Louise, we've heard incredible nominations from all the partners here, all the speakers here.
So thank you, everyone.
Now, over to you.
Clearly, you've been building mawari
for a very long time you've stacked up an incredible team incredible partnerships uh
figured out regulatory frameworks what are you looking at in five years okay uh well yeah first
of all thanks for uh everyone to to be here and support Mawari.
Yeah, effectively, I mean, the vision of Mawari started maybe 13 years ago.
And I started the company eight years ago.
So, yeah, it's been quite a while.
And, okay, so five years from now.
But before I go into that, I just want to pick up on
some of the comments from the rest of the group.
It is indeed about cycles.
And I've seen actually, interestingly enough, parallel cycles of XR and crypto.
Like it all started in 2017 with the ICO boom.
I could have chosen going into the ic boom but actually i chose to keep
focusing on xr and here we are uh and now come converging but what something i can say is that
yeah it is like it is cyclical technology gets better better. The devices got better. There have been effectively three cycles already or three generations of devices, three generations of content, use cases.
And as Mawari, what I can say is that we've seen it all and we've seen what actually works and what actually doesn't.
Other thing that I can say is that just like AI is now, at least for techie people,
it's part of our daily lives.
And we didn't see it coming like two years ago,
three years ago.
I mean, yeah, we knew about AI and all that,
but it was not something that we would use day to day.
It's the same with XR.
AI and XR have something very similar in common.
That these are technologies that have existed in our minds
since many years back in science fiction, and not only on movies,
but even in books and how our predecessors
imagined the world in the future, right?
So in pop culture, in our day to day,
we inherently accept that that future is sometime there.
Just like with AI, like I remember everybody was scared about AI because of Terminator
or because of the matrix, right?
So same with XR.
I can tell you that the people will be very surprised that there will be a chat GPT moment.
And I think actually it's not in five years, it's in two to three years.
By the pace that I'm seeing the technology advance and second, how this, as Mira mentioned,
this combination of XR plus AI is actually accelerating everything.
So the convergence is very important.
And this is now talking a little bit
about why I'm proud of Maguire.
It's something that we saw very early.
We saw it since 2017 and we are building for that.
So what's coming?
Okay, so in two, three years,
the use cases will be mature.
It's something that it will start becoming
part of our lives.
It will be, you know, when the iPhone was released
and then there was the first successful application,
then everybody
started jumping on developing for mobiles, right?
And being a mobile application developer became a thing.
That's going to happen within two, three years.
But if there's no infrastructure to power all that, then it will take a lot more time
to really get there to that inflection point.
And this is the whole point of the DIO, actually, is that it's a three to five year program
that is tailored to the growth of that industry.
So that, OK, so we first build the network at scale, we stress test it, we optimize it
so that when there's this moment, it's like
we are ready. It's not like we just run like crazy
trying to build infrastructure and try to win a race.
It's not like we are already ahead of the race and we're just
there and we become that
infrastructure for the internet. That's our mission and we're just there and we become that infrastructure
for the internet.
That's our mission.
And I think we're on a very good track
to actually make it happen.
Thanks, Luis.
Thanks everyone.
I think this was an incredible space.
Thank you to all the partners.
I don't know about all of you, everyone listening in,
but I'm definitely pumped about tomorrow and the future of Mawari,
seeing all these XR advancements and how emerging tech converges together.
Thanks again for everyone sharing their insights.
Please do follow Miris page. Please follow our partners and stay tuned for what's next.
Thank you everyone. Have a great day. Thank you very much folks. Thank you all.
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