Projects
![]()
No projects found
Investors
New
DAO Treasuries
DATs
Lend / Borrow APRs
Chains
Categories
Spaces
MAX IMPACT EP. 308 Web3 Solarpunk Investments w @HeliosReFi
Recorded: June 23, 2023 Duration: 1:11:43Space Recording
Full Transcription
Hello, how are we doing?
We are fantastic, man. How are you?
Okay, right on. Can't complain. Great and grateful. Cannot complain.
Sending you the co-host invites.
Love it.
I'm just going to send the co-host invites to my brother fighters gang.
Everybody, let's retweet the room. Let the good people know that it's about to go down.
Okay, pinning some things up to the Jumbotron here. Happy days. Happy days.
Okay. Here we grow.
Hello and welcome, everybody.
Hello and welcome, everybody, to the Max Impact Show.
This is the live spaces show that's all about empowering you, the change makers, to maximize your positive impact in the world by leveraging the latest and greatest technology.
With me today is none other than William from Helios.
Helios is a DeFi protocol that is powering high-impact solar projects in emerging markets.
Helios, if there is sun, there is profit generating yields.
I'm excited to dig into that. I love that slogan, by the way.
Thank you, thank you.
So, William, you know the tradition that we have on this show, and that's to always, always start with why.
Someone asks you what is your why.
I'm talking about your personal why.
You're in a draft. You're motivated.
What gets you specifically out of bed in the morning and helps you to burn the midnight oil?
How would you describe the why of Helios?
Hmm. That's a great question.
The why of William.
Why for me? Why for me?
I think the biggest why for me is I've been just like a big fan of nature and the environment and being outside in trees all my life.
I grew up in a pretty rural area of Wisconsin, about 30 minutes drive outside of a town of 8,000.
So, really just a house in the middle of woods.
Big fans of camping, outdoor activities, all that sort of stuff.
And then as I got older, pretty much everyone just told me money was what life was all about.
So, I'm like, okay, yeah, it seems reasonable.
Buying stuff is good.
So, I moved to Chicago, studied economics, mathematics, learned a lot about finance and company building,
and decided to become an entrepreneur, found a lot of success in the manufacturing space.
I used to run a car audio component manufacturing company for about three and a half years.
We got acquired in 2019.
And after that, I thought it would be, like, the most epic moment in my life.
I'm like, yeah, like, I, you know, I did it.
I achieved my dream.
And what I learned, I was like, well, pretty much all of what we were doing was just for money.
And that is, like, not really what's all that important to me.
Like, it just felt like this, like, I don't know.
I thought it would be the best moment in my life, and it was just, like, a totally empty experience.
And I'm like, okay, clearly, I've got my priorities all mixed up here, spent some time traveling,
spent some time with my family, and realized that really what I want to do with my life
is contribute to a cause that I find really, really important, really, really meaningful.
And kind of launched me down the journey of discovery.
And I realized that working in climate and, how to put this, working in climate is what I felt I could make the most impact in.
I think there's a lot of work in climate that's very, like, science-focused.
And I think that's super, super important.
But I think one of the big shortfalls of the climate work is, like, there's not enough, like, well-aligned financial incentives to do climate work.
Like, sort of growing up, like, climate always felt, like, a little bit, like, hippie, like, anti-capitalism, pro-climate.
And from my, like, experience as an entrepreneur and working in the finance field, I was like, there's got to be a middle ground here.
Like, what if you could build something that made it profitable to do good?
Like, why is it that doing good and making money is mutually exclusive?
And, yeah, that's pretty much my why, I guess.
It's just, like, proof to the world that you can be a capitalist.
You can want to make money while, like, in the pursuit of doing good for the world.
I think there's a ton of, like, extractive capitalism and tons of, like, really, really bad things that are done to the environment in the name of making money.
What if we did good things for the environment in the name of making money?
I think that's, I don't know, something that's really missing from the narrative and missing from opportunities.
So I think that's the biggest one for me, just, like, proving that you can make money and save the world.
Why not?
Absolutely.
Yeah, I remember a quote from Tony Robbins.
He said that success without fulfillment is the ultimate failure.
Right?
And so, you know, it's not just enough to have that monetary success, but also to have a genuine fulfillment, something that sets your soul on fire and brings out that aliveness inside of you.
So that's cool that you wanted to blend those two worlds together.
How did that first come to be?
How did you piece this together that you could work in solar and work with DeFi and put those two worlds together?
How did you first hear about ReFi or start coming up with these ideas?
Yeah.
So I've been in the crypto space for a long time.
I think I'm coming up on 10 years now.
So I started back in 2014.
So I guess we're halfway through 2023.
So about nine and a half years, I started just kind of trading shit coins way back in the day, did some, like, online gambling.
It's a whole story, but basically there was a gambling site that this is when, you know, crypto is pretty new.
And they're like, if you deposit in crypto, we'll double your money.
I'm like, that's crazy.
So I converted my entire bank account to cryptocurrency and put it all into this gambling site.
And they doubled my bank account in one day.
And that set off this, like, epic adventure of just, like, there's something going on here.
This is crazy.
And then a few years later, I was working at a private equity fund and crypto was really hot.
This was, like, late 2017, early 2018, I think.
Maybe, like, mid-2018.
And they were like, yo, there's all this activity going on in crypto.
Like, who knows about blockchain?
And, you know, there's, like, eight of us looking around.
I'm like, I know a bunch about blockchain.
And they're like, get in here, buddy.
And I, after, like, in six months, I was, like, leading the crypto research and investment division at the fund, which was just ridiculous.
Anyway, the more important side of the story is the climate side of the story.
Yeah, I was, it was kind of in the middle of the pandemic.
I've been working as a product manager at a fintech company and decided I was ready to get back into entrepreneurship.
Corporate work was nice, but I was kind of just chilling.
And so I connected up with some entrepreneur friends.
And I'm like, what's, you know, what should I do?
They're like, there's this really, really awesome organization called South Park Commons.
You should join it.
Here's kind of, like, their manifesto.
And the thing that really, really jumped out to me about this organization was their kind of, like, tenets and values and all that good stuff.
And one of them was you get one or two chances to build your life's work.
And that really struck a chord with me.
And sort of the follow-up when I spoke to them about it, and they're like, yeah, you know, a lot of the literature around entrepreneurship, around building a company, being a founder is, like, move fast, break things, like, go as quickly as you can and just smash everything in your way.
And they're like, we don't really ascribe to that.
Like, we think it's a lot more important to really take your time to figure out what is meaningful to you.
Like, what do you actually care about?
And what would, you know, like, the journey of a founder is seven, ten years at least.
So if you don't care about what you're doing, you're going to burn out, like, really, really hard.
You know, like, instead of doing that, take your time.
Um, so I spent a lot of time just, like, really, I moved to SF, spent a lot of time just really thinking deeply about what mattered to me.
Um, and pretty early on, I identified climate was one of the biggest things for me.
Um, there was some other really cool stuff that I, that I dove into, but I spent about six months just, like, doing really deep research on climate.
Um, and I gotta say, like, I love this space.
There is so much awesome stuff.
I wish I could clone myself and start ten different companies because there's, like, just so much incredible opportunity, so many ways that you can make an impact in the fight against climate change.
Like, I don't even think solar is the best one.
I think solar is the best one for me.
I think with my skill set, my interests, and my background, like, I can make the biggest contribution to funding solar projects.
If I had a science background, I would probably be in either coral restoration or, uh, like, cement deep tech.
If I had a hundred million dollars, I'd be building offshore wind.
Um, if I had gone to Caltech and had some, like, crazy PhD, I'd probably be working on nuclear.
Like, no matter who you are, no matter what your background is, like, there's just awesome ways that you can contribute.
And I think that's, like, I don't know.
When I first approached the space, I'm like, you know, all I really know is, like, finance and company building.
Like, how much can I really contribute to, like, making the world a better place and, like, fighting climate change?
But I realized there's, there's really a ton of, like, fantastic outlets.
So, um, but finding founder market fit, what can, how can I use my skills?
I guess if, and that was in solar, um, something that really excited me was in emerging markets, um, this is being built in the U.S.
Um, but it's really important where you build.
And, um, in thinking about it, I'm like, why build solar?
I'm from Wisconsin, where it's, like, snowy all the time.
It's just, like, winter pretty much.
Um, like, why build solar where it's going to snow on the solar when you could just build solar where it's always sunny?
And I was thinking back to a time when I was in Egypt.
And I was, you know, I'm a very, very pale.
I burn really easily.
I'm just like, man, it's so damn sunny here.
I'm like, what if we just built solar in Egypt?
Like, why isn't Mars solar being built there?
Um, and that sort of kicked off the, like, what about emerging markets?
And, uh, yeah, you know, a year and a half later, like, we are, we are in it.
So I'll stop there.
Respect, man.
That's quite the journey.
Um, and yeah, I, I completely relate to that.
So many different ideas and pathways you can go down as an entrepreneur, but it's good to know where your strengths are
and what you should focus on.
And I'd love to dig in deeper into why you feel solar is, is, uh, your specialty.
But real quick, you said you studied for like six to eight months about climate research.
I'd love for you to share if there are any findings in particular that you think, um, would be, would be good to, to spread in this, in this live stream.
What, what did you find along that, that climate research that you think it'd be particularly valuable or something that you found was quite moving, um, from all that.
That's a great question.
Um, I will say that I looked at a lot of things from a pretty high level and you're going to get a lot more like nuanced opinions and just like a lot more informed, like, I don't know, informed information, um, from like industry experts.
So I don't want to say like, trust me, like concrete's the mood, like I know that the industry is really interesting and I've kind of like looked at it fairly broadly, but someone who has a lot more expertise in that field is going to do a lot better job explaining kind of the, the pitfalls, the benefits and like kind of all of that ecosystem.
Um, so yeah, for me, I think the most exciting things I, I mentioned concrete, there's some really, really cool startups, um, in the concrete space, basically the process of making concrete produces a ton of, uh, CO2.
And if you can change that process with different blends and different techniques, you can really reduce a lot of the emissions because so much of the world is built on concrete.
And especially in developing nations, kind of like laying roads, building buildings, like there's an unimaginable amount of concrete being used in those processes.
So if we can make that greener, that's really big. Um, another one is the methane emission from cows, basically cows, um, for lack of a better term, like burp and fart a lot.
Um, and on the scope of like how many cows there are in the U S and in the world, that's an insane amount of methane emissions, especially because they're emitting methane instead of CO2, which is like, I want to say like two to three times more harmful to the environment.
Um, so a lot of people kind of take the approach of like, Oh, like, well, we all need to adopt a plant-based diet, which there's related to that.
I think there is some counter argument of like, well, plant-based diets, like aren't actually that much better for the environment, but like, I don't want to get into that.
Like that, that's, that's not my fight. Um, but I, one of the really interesting things I saw was if you can shift the diet of these cows from this grain-based corn-based diet to a seaweed-based diet, you can reduce a lot of the methane emissions.
So I looked at, um, actually see, uh, quite a bit into seaweed farming and spoke with some folks that had, I want to say that like moved to, uh, Cambodia or Thailand and had started this like epic seaweed farm business.
And I was like, that's just so cool. Um, but for a lot of reasons, decided not to pursue that.
Oh, there's just so much stuff. Like, I mean, Jimmy's idea is like literally planting trees by the thousands.
Like there's, you know, there's a million ways you can, you can get involved. Um, so yeah, I think just like, it's, it's worth it to just do some Googling around and talk to people.
I've found that people in the climate space are just so awesome. Like they're so mission driven.
They're so like intent on what they're doing and they just like really deeply care about climate change.
Like, you know, I think if you're, you know, if you're starting a software company and you reach out to a bunch of software CEOs, like no one's going to respond to you.
If they are, it's probably cause they're trying to steal your shit. Um, but in the climate space, I remember, um, just cold DMing people on LinkedIn.
I reached out to a guy who'd started a multi-billion dollar solar company. I was just like, Hey man, I'm in solar. You're in solar. Like, I know I'm like a, you know, a tiny minnow and you're like a whale, but like, what's up? Like, can we chat? Um, and he was just like, yeah, man.
Like, just like, uh, we hopped on a bunch of calls. We actually have a monthly advisory call and he just like, we just talk about problems in business building. And I've like, I've repeated that like so many times over just reaching out to people that inspire me in the climate space. Um, because they just want more people to get involved. Like climate, like a lot of business is kind of this zero sum game of like, there's going to be a winner and a loser.
And like Peter Thiel has this whole like monopoly theory, blah, blah, blah. Um, but in the climate space, like it's completely the opposite. Like if we don't all win, we all lose, which is just like such a fantastic business dynamic to be in. You know what I mean? Like people like I'll have investor calls all the time. They're just like, talk to me about the competitive landscape. Like who's worrying you the most? I'm like, the only thing that really concerns me is there aren't enough people doing this.
Like I want 10 more people to clone my company and do exactly what I'm doing because like, we're just not going to be able to do it on our own. Like we need more people to do this. And the goal is like, we're not here to like make a bunch of money. You know, I say this all the time. Like if I wanted money, I would have just done B2B SaaS. Like it's just much easier and much more profitable or like now just like pivot to AI or something. Um, we're here to make an impact. We're here to like really hopefully make a difference.
And, uh, the problem is spooky and we really, really need to do something about it. So, um, I will say that to, to kind of close, like if you're interested in getting into climate, reach out to people who are in climate, they're so incredibly helpful. Spend some time to think about like kind of how your skillset matches to what it is that they're building. Um, you know, some things really require a lot of science understanding, some things, a lot of marketing savvy, some things, a lot of like financial understanding, um, and
everything in between. So do some thinking on what makes the most sense for you and then just start emailing people. Like as long as you indicate that you've clearly like done some research on what it is that they do and you care about what they're doing, they'll respond. Um, like I respond to people all the time. Um, and yeah, I'd say that's how I'd do it. Like, yeah, that's pretty much how I did it. So it worked out well enough for me. So give it a shot.
Yeah. Great, great advice there. Uh, reach out to people. It all goes down in the DMs. You'd be very surprised who will get hit you back, you know, if their, if their DMs are open. Um, so I challenge everyone to, to reach out to people like one new person you admire per day. That's a pretty attainable thing that everyone can do. And over a year, like that'll really love it. A pretty solid network. And, and also people come into these spaces, right? If you're in max impact, Pico bear market, like connect with the people in the spaces.
Cause these are genuine people who are showing up and, uh, and I can vouch for a lot of people in the space right now. So make sure you do not just follow, but DM a lot of the people in this max impact space right now. And, uh, you may, yeah, you mentioned methane versus carbon. I just Googled it 25 times more potent, which is crazy to think about. Um, and, uh, yeah, what a great double whammy, right? Yeah. If you can, if you can not only sequester carbon through seaweed, but also reduce methane emissions.
And because of that seaweed. Amazing. That's a, that's a pretty cool thing to think about there. But, um, but you, you say that you're best equipped to make an impact in the arena of solar and not domain.
Why do you say that you're best equipped to do solar over these other pods that you've identified?
Yeah. Um, let me see. For me, there's a lot of benefits of solar. Um, and I like wrote a paper on this. Let me just pull it up really quick so I can like hit all the key points. Cause there's some really good stuff.
Yeah. Do it up.
All right. Let's just take a sec.
I'm going to be spitting facts right now for you guys. By the way, while he pulls that up, I want to give some love to the retweeters of the room. Everybody retweet the space bottom right in the chat.
Okay. By the way, if you quote tweet, I'll always retweet your quote tweets. So Sani, who's a tree gen and has that in his name, has quote tweeted. So it's fighters gang in the retweets. So far we got a more, we got Juba NFTs. We got Sani again.
We got eco synergist. Much love eco synergist. And, uh, and of course myself as well. I feel like there are others that are not displaying here for some reason, but yeah, everybody head down to the chat bottom, right? And retweet the room. Let good people know about these amazing things. Such a solar. All right. Hit him with those, uh, hit us with those white paper facts, my man.
We'll do. We'll do. I'm going to, I got to retweet this real quick. I I'm logging into my other account to, to hit it with the retweet.
Hit it with the retweet.
I got to get the word out.
Those are some wonderful things up there on the Jumbotron. All good things to retweet fam. All good things to retweet. Do it up, do it up. And then yeah.
Nice.
With that solar alpha.
All right. Yeah, let's do it. Um, so first of all, um, wait, actually where do I, um,
sort of my expertise is generally around, um, finance, international investment, um, kind
of ran the international manufacturing company. So I've got a good understanding of like how
to operate in other markets. That was a lot of India and China. Um, my previous financial
expertise, and then my previous, uh, blockchain experience, like all of it kind of fit together
in my head and it just sort of, you know, spent a lot of time researching, researching and
just kind of letting the, letting the thoughts do cook. Um, but eventually it kind of all
came together to like, I can use my understanding of emerging markets and finance to build a
solar investment product. I can use my understanding of, uh, the crypto space as like very much a
crypto native to connect these natively into a product in which web three users can fund
solar. Um, the big why solar question. I think there's five main points that I'll jump
through really quick. Um, super, super high impact. Um, the IPCC rated solar energy as
the highest in a landslide in its ability to reduce net emissions by 2030. So in the short
to midterm, solar is just something you can really start building. Um, building on that
it's very actionable. You can build a solar installation in, you know, weeks, months, and
just immediately be making an impact, be, um, generating clean energy, be averting carbon,
um, versus something like nuclear where it has, you know, a pretty massive potential for impact,
but we still like literally don't know how to do it pretty much. Like it's, it's going to cost
hundreds of millions of dollars and years and years and years to build this. Whereas solar is
something we can do today. Um, it's also incredibly scalable. You can build a really small solar
installation. You can build a really, really big solar installation. Either way, you're going to
have a fantastic, um, ability to create impact. And, um, yeah, basically you can scale solar into
like the billions and billions of dollars investment. Um, it's also really profitable.
Solar is one of the cheapest sources of energy in the world at the moment. The cost of building
solar has fallen 89% in the last 10 years, which I personally think is like the single most shocking
statistic is just like, it costs one 10th what it used to cost. Like, whereas coal has remained
relatively flat, natural gas has remained relatively flat. Like solar has just gotten so cheap that
there's so many opportunities to build it like pretty much anywhere you cut. Well, not quite anywhere,
but in, uh, you know, a lot of key geographies because it's just so much cheaper. Um, and you make a
lot of money selling energy because energy prices are going up. Solar prices are going down. It's like
perfect storm. Um, and then finally investable, this is sort of getting a bit deeper into the
financial side of it. Um, but it's a very invest investing in solar is investing in physical
infrastructure, specifically in the energy space. And people are always going to need energy and
owning infrastructure. It's kind of an asset backed token. We like to call it. Um, so even in the event
of a default and like an absolute worst case scenario, like you still actually own physical
solar panels and those are very valuable. You can just take those and move them somewhere else
and start generating power somewhere else. Um, and the payment schedule is really flexible. You're
getting the same monthly payment every single month for 20 years. It's like a perfect, it's like,
it's literally a bond, like by definition, it's like a perfect investable asset. Um, so those are the
that it's really impactful. You can do it today. You can do as much or as little of it as you want
when you do it, you're making money and the money kind of flows in, in a fixed steady rate that you
can use to, um, kind of like plan for your financial future, essentially.
Love it. Yeah. It's predictable. And we'll get into what some of those revenue streams are,
but that's around like just straight to the grid selling energy or renewable energy credits and some of the
opportunities in that. Um, but Brent, I know we got a really international space. Like I'm in Kenya
right now. We got America in the house. We've got South America. We've got parts of Europe, like
Germany. We got Turkey. Let me know in the chat, bottom right, whereabouts you're tuning in from.
I'd love to learn a bit more about where people, we've got some Japan in the house. I can actually
read Katakana. EG. Okay. I'm not good at kanji, but, uh, I can read some of the Japanese in your,
in your title, EG. Uh, but, um, okay. So you said that you got experience and you know how to kind
of operate in some of these emerging markets like India and China. Um, how, how, what kind of
recommendations can you give for people who are looking to operate in emerging markets or developing
countries? Like, are you navigating, like working with governments and things like that? Um, I know
with like, with carbon credits, if it's on government land, like a lot of mangroves are, you do have to kind
of work with government bodies. I don't know if you're able to advise on that, but renewable energy
credits, I assume you're using also renewable energy credits, right? Rex, as well as, um, as,
as solar, are you having to navigate that within these different markets or what are you doing with Rex?
Yes. Big, big question. Um, I'll start with the kind of government question. Um, first off,
operating in emerging markets is difficult, especially if you are not native to those
emerging markets, it becomes increasingly difficult. If you do not speak that native language,
even more difficult. Um, the strength of your relationships is going to be everything. Like
you, you really live or die by the strength of your connections in those countries to enhance
your ability to operate in those countries. And those can be difficult to build. We've spent the
last two years plus building them. Um, and we're still, you know, fairly young. We still are kind
of looking forward to more and more time. Um, in terms of working with the government, um, we
try to avoid it as much as we can. Um, governments and emerging markets are more volatile than
somewhere like, I don't know, the U S or France or Germany or whatever. Um, so we try to work
directly with private, uh, citizens, private, uh, private institutions, businesses, basically. Um,
the government has a lot of incentives that are kind of all over the place. And if there is a regime
change, if there's a change of government, like those, that business can dry up really quickly.
And in building what we've built with Helios and building a solar company, uh, these contracts
are very long-term. So 10, 15, 20 years, um, looking at the government of an emerging market,
like it's really difficult to under, like to really make, it's too volatile. Um, but there
will always be private business fulfilling like really core needs. Like there will
always be companies generate like using and generating energy. So we'd rather work directly
with those companies than with a government that might kind of change its mind if the government
shifts or if, you know, someone like blah, blah, blah. Um, if things get too spicy, we much
prefer private. Um, so that is one thing we've really spent a lot of time thinking about and
have committed to, um, on the Rex, we do generate Rex, but Rex are not our core business. Um, we
actually don't talk very much about Rex because I think that in the web three climate space,
especially there's so much emphasis on carbon credits, um, really, really important space.
Um, there is a lot of impact to be made there, but it is a very crowded space. Um, we essentially
avoid that entirely and we do so mostly because we don't want people to like mix us up with
them and think of us as like, Oh, like you're like the energy carbon credit people. Like
no solar, our business model is completely different. That's kind of why, um, to help
people understand a business model. Like we don't mention the Rex because we're like, we
sell energy. Like we're essentially a decentralized energy company. So we sell energy, um, according
to 10, 15, 20 year contracts and all of the yield of the Helios protocol is formed directly
from the sale of clean energy. Like none of that yield comes from Rex. We do generate Rex.
And as we scale, we'll begin to generate really a lot of Rex and those are valuable. Um, but
for the moment we are, um, sort of like not highlighting that that said, um, there's a lot of really cool
stuff we can do with Rex. And we are really actively exploring that. Um, and actually building
some, some really key partnerships right now. I don't think we're quite ready to like start
naming names and releasing too much information. Um, but essentially in my mind, the rec is sort
of a superior carbon credit, especially if you are specifically looking to offset, um, your impact
as a web three protocol or web three institution, because, um, you're going directly from like
energy to energy, like say the polygon protocol utilizes like, you know, 10 X, uh, 10 petawatts
of energy. They can purchase directly 10 petawatts of, uh, renewable energy credits, as opposed to
purchasing carbon credits. Like the conversion isn't one-to-one and you're not able to get that level of
precision, that level of, um, kind of like certainty among some of the other issues in the carbon credit
space that I won't get into. Um, but we are really, really excited about renewable energy credits.
It's not our core business. There are a few other protocols, um, that are really focused
on renewable energy, uh, credits. The first one that jumps to mind is Jasmine. Um, this folks at
Spark Eco are also doing some really cool stuff. Renium Energy is doing some really cool stuff.
I've had a chance to speak with and work with all these different individuals, and I'm really,
really excited about what they're building. Um, but we're sort of a bit different. We're closer to
a decentralized energy company offering a solar bond than the tokenization of renewable energy credits or
carbon credits. Got you. Yeah. That's great that you have this, like, you know, that demand for energy
is not going anywhere. Right. It's very stable and reliable. And so when you talk about having
yields, like it's, it's super reliable to come in and that, and that kind of makes sense. But
yeah, when I spoke with Jasmine, we've had them on the, on the show and I think we're going to have
them back as well. Um, cause they're launching some new things. They were actually saying that the
Rex in, in more often than not is actually more valuable than the energy itself. These renewable energy
credits are more valuable. Um, do you not see that as the case or is that something that just comes
down the line or it's just like less reliable or you think it's not the most part that you emphasize?
They said that the renewable energy credits are worth more than the energy that they're selling.
Yeah. Or yeah. Oh wait, was it a demo? Actually, hold on. I know they've actually been them. There was
another person who came on the show. And by the way, this is when I was doing a 60 hour live stream
for like 40 minutes the entire weekend. So details might be a little bit fuzzy on this, but I think
it was home, home down, you know, home down. Yes. They were getting into energy. Oh yeah.
Yeah. I think it might've been them who said like, yeah, they're trying to make, um, they're trying to
switch people over. So it's actually more economical to use solar compared with, um, you know, fossil fuel,
great energy. And they were saying that, yeah, the, the contribution from RECs in, in some cases
was, you know, I think they even said more often than not was actually even more valuable than,
than the energy. But you think that's, that's not the case. Like what fraction would you say
are the RECs? Sorry to interrupt. Go ahead.
No, that was, I'm just curious to know, like what kind of fraction, if you were to say of the overall
value you can generate from solar, what, what fraction do you think comes from renewable energy credits
compared to the actual energy itself? Yeah. That I'll say that, that makes a lot more sense from
home down home down does focus on, um, if I'm not mistaken, focuses on energy in the United States
and kind of energy in the U S versus energy in the, the emerging markets are a very different game,
especially because in the U S you have a lot of other factors at play that kind of actually do,
I would probably agree with, I don't, I'm not as much of an expert as they are on U S markets. Um,
but there's a lot of other pretty major factors. The IRA bill is providing massive governance
subsidies to energy. Um, the ability to do tax equity, which is essentially offsetting your tax
bill with, um, by funding renewable energy. Um, and then the RECs. So, and yeah, finally the RECs
and the RECs in the U S are worth more than the international RECs. Um, which I think is a little
bit stupid, like energy is energy, but like it's the world we live in. Um, so I think that does make
sense. Um, for us, the RECs in emerging markets are a smaller piece because there's not that IRA or
that tax equity component to what we're doing. Um, so if our yield is say on average, it's about eight
to 9% fixed. Um, the renewable energy credits would be about 1%. Um, so I'd say about 10 to 15%
at most, um, of the, um, of what we get from selling energy is, uh, you know, is the renewable
energy, uh, the renewable energy credit portion of that. Um, that said for now, we are not selling
our renewable energy credits. We're working with, uh, some of those folks that I mentioned
earlier to, um, hopefully tokenize them and kind of push forward that blockchain narrative.
Um, but yeah, it's, it's a flexible situation. I think as we scale, things will change quite a bit.
Um, but for now we don't generate quite enough renewable energy credits for it to be a major source
of revenue. Got you. Okay. Thank you for shining light. Yeah, it is kind of silly. Like basically
the RECs are allowing companies to say, we're using a hundred percent renewable energy, for example.
Um, why would it be different in a developing country than if those RECs come from America?
Exactly. But I guess, I guess people want to buy things from their country. Like that's kind of a
trend. They want to buy local or whatever. And then so the demand is there. And so they just want to buy
there. You think that's why that is? Um, I think in some sense that in some sense, like they just feel
safer with a, like American certified credit than they do like a Brazilian certified credit. Um,
but yeah, yeah, I don't know. Like, I think they should be the same. I think energy is energy, but
yeah, investors kind of have these ideas of risk and sometimes they are, um, not as based in facts
as I would like them to be. I'll say that. Do you think people kind of game the system? Like,
but what even is the MRV for RECs? Like, is it not just like the, the grid or the meters
that are measuring the energy that you're supplying? Essentially that. Yeah. You're just, um,
I think it's a bit more specific than meter reading directly. I think it's, I want to say it's
energy. Um, how many, um, geez, um, the energy received by the final consumer so that it's not
so much like the power company saying we did this. It's more like who they're selling to confirms that
this much energy was sent to them to kind of avoid some conflicts of interest. Um, that said,
yeah. Also, I guess you lose quite a bit of energy as you transport it too. I believe so. Yes. Um,
we are looking at some cool IOT solutions to begin measuring the, um, energy generated at the panel
levels. So that's something that we're pretty excited about. Basically, um, a carbon credit or
even a renewable energy credit at this point, um, have to go through this like certifying body and this
whole process. And, um, from what I understand in the carbon credit space, like that can
be as expensive to like get it certified as it is to like make the credit in the first place,
which I think is a little bit silly, like who nominated these certifiers and to be perfectly honest,
like why do we even trust them? Um, so one of the things that we are really excited about is we can
attach IOT sensors to our solar panels and stream that solar generation data directly from the panel,
from the source of generation onto a blockchain, which as you know, is an immutable ledger.
No one can touch it. No one can mess with it. So the, we believe that through that process,
rather than going through a formal certification of like, here's how much energy we generated some,
some guy somewhere checking a bunch of boxes and writing on paper, we don't know who that is or where
that is. Um, we would rather do a fully technical solution and say, here's how much energy was
generated by this panel that's stored on an immutable ledger. Anyone can see this. Anyone
can verify this. Like this is effectively a digital carbon credit. Um, again, it's not our core business,
but I think just in terms of like cool solar X blockchain collaboration technology, I think that's
a really, really promising thing that a few folks are exploring and I'm really excited about because
there's so much, so much greenwashing in the space, so many kind of problems that arise with different
ways of counting impact. Um, as I'm sure you understand, don't want to get too deep into any of
that. Um, but I think the blockchain provides a really awesome opportunity to prevent people from
being able to lie. Um, and if we can kind of spread that technology, um, to more and more people,
um, you know, we can do a lot of good with the tech we have.
Definitely. Yeah. Putting that data directly on chain from the get go, really more transparency.
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, a lot of blockchains have gone proof of stake, which is like 99.99
2% or something crazy, less, uh, emissions, but there's still obviously like, you know,
some proof of work out there. Like ordinals is, is a big thing in NFTs right now. And, um,
I think it'd be interesting for a lot of these ordinals to consider including tokenized renewable
energy credits in the sale of those NFTs, such that they could say like, this is a
100% renewable energy powered original proof of work thing. Like I'd love to see more of that.
Um, by the way, friends, we're past the halfway mark here, which means it's your turn to shim
on up here to the stage, bring your questions, turn into a round table discussions. Don't be shy.
I know we're speaking some jargon. Sometimes if you have any questions, no such thing as a silly
question, tap the mic, come up and, uh, join in the discussion. So are you security? Have you,
have you gone through as to become a security? Cause you, you know, you've got these returns,
or have you managed to navigate that with the SEC? What are your thoughts on the whole
SEC thing? Yes. Um, Helios is a security. We, um, I think one of the things that really sets
us apart from some of the other, like solar X crypto projects that have, have come and gone
over the past, like five years, you know, we're not the first people to do this. Like I'll say
that straight away. Um, it's not a new idea. It's just like, man, someone really needs to do this.
Um, we started with a regulatory first approach. We wanted to ensure that everything we were doing
was regulatory compliant and we were building in a way that would scale with that. Um,
so whereas a lot of projects just sort of like, oh, we'll ignore regulation. And then like,
we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. Like you can't really do that when you're offering a
security, especially to like us and international individuals, especially if that security that you're
offering is like a long-term product. Like if you're, you know, if you're an NFT, that's like
going up and down and up and down, like it's a bit safer. Cause like, who knows if you're going
to exist in three years, but the core value, not to throw shade at NFTs. Um, but the core value
prop of Helios, like it is a seven to 20 year contract. Like if you're not confident that Helios
will exist in five years, then like, it's kind of crazy to put money into Helios. Um, so we really,
really, really, really have at every step of the way have built for the longterm to make sure that
we will exist. Um, and that we will make it on all of these contracts. And you know, even if we
explode, like there's still all sorts of redemption mechanisms and all of that, um, you know, knock on
wood, fingers crossed. Um, but yeah, we started the regulatory first approach. Um, Helio, the Helios LP
token is a security. We've are in the process of going through kind of all of the relevant filings.
Um, it does feel like they are endless and the process totally sucks. Um, but it is what it is.
Um, and we kind of in the ethos of building for long-term have prepared for that. So yes, it is a
security. Um, we're still working through how we can offer it to us individuals. Um, fingers crossed,
I believe we have actually a fairly strong solution. Um, so you'll be hearing about that. I hope quite soon.
Um, it's actually a lot of the work that I've been doing race recently is kind of designing
that new user flow. Um, but sorry, the short answer. Yes. Yes. Helios, uh, what we're offering
is a security in every sense of the word. Um, and we are going through the necessary processes to
ensure that it can be legally offered to as many people as possible. We believe everyone should be
able to participate. Everyone should be able to do something in the fight against climate change.
And, and, you know, that's kind of the core of what we're here for. So yeah. Yes.
Hey, good for you, man. I feel like the vast majority of people in web three are like,
how do we not be labeled as security? How do we like sidestep that whole thing? But you just took
it head on and you're like, let's just become the security. And it seems like it's really bureaucratic
and take a long time, but you're, you're putting in the work to make it happen. So could you paint
a little bit of picture of like, what is actually required to become a security in the States?
Like it's pretty significant amount of money, I'm guessing, and time and effort and all this
different stuff. Like what actually is required if people are thinking like, okay, I need to make
this security. You're in the, in the weeds, making it happen. Like generally speaking, what's required?
I think the most costly thing is going to be legal fees. Like it's not actually the filing of the
security. It's like working with a lawyer to ensure that like, you're doing all of the filing
correctly. And like, you're deeply understanding everything that's happening. Cause like the last
thing you want to do is just like blindly be like, oh yeah, this is, and this isn't,
and this will work. And this was like, you don't know, like, even I don't know, like,
that's why we have lawyers, like specific, like, uh, you know, investment oriented lawyers,
financial lawyers. Um, so I will say like, our lawyer knows infinitely more about this than I do.
I just kind of like fill out the stuff that he sends me. Um, but at the basis level, it's,
it's essentially a reg D offering. Um, so if you go to sec.glove.gov, I think it's just
slash reg D or maybe it's slash regulation D sec.gov reg D. Um,
if you just Google sec reg D, um, that'll get you
most of the information that you need to be totally honest, like
consult with a lawyer that this isn't simple stuff and the consequences of doing it wrong
can be pretty grave. Um, I will say anecdotally, anecdotally that messing with the IRS is
not nearly as big of a deal as messing with the sec. Like the sec is not messing around.
I think you do not want to do this incorrectly. Um,
Are we talking like six figure legal fees?
Um, no, no, I think you can, I think you can get it done for less. Um, sort of our, I got pretty
lucky. Our, uh, legal situation is such that I actually consult with, uh, the legal folks on some
of their, like some of the cool blockchain stuff that they're working on. Um, and exchange,
they helped me out with the legal side of Helios. Um, so we've been able to keep our fees pretty low.
Um, but again, like super depends on the law firm that you work with. Um, and
Oh man, I don't even want to get into like how to choose a law firm. Like
best of luck. I pray for you. Um, but it can be quite expensive, but like not
impossibly. I think you could keep it under 25 K.
Oh, sorry. I was muted there. Okay. That's not outlandish. That is, that's kind of doable.
Like you could put a, uh, you know, coin grant into that and actually become a,
you know, SEC compliant security. We got some speakers up here. Welcome. Welcome. We got
a more, we got maybe human tuning in from Germany, Deutschland. We got eco synergist,
the, uh, the Kyoto protocol supporter. Welcome. Welcome. All right. We're gonna get to the hands
first and I want to hear from the other folks as well. Okay. Amor's got her hand up. Welcome.
It's been a while since we heard from Amor, but maybe human did have the hand up first.
Um, so we're gonna go to go according to the order of hands being raised and then we get
swiftly over to you Amor. Okay, go ahead. Maybe human. Hi. Hi. So, um, yeah, thank you so much.
And thank you for your, for you being so straightforward. Um, I really appreciate that.
Um, and yeah, on the whole topic on, um, renewable energy credits, I was, uh, I was listening to
Jasmine energy actually a while ago and kind of talk to them a little bit. I'm still not
sure I fully understand the process. So it sounds like you went through the process of like getting
them approved. And I mean, to me, the concept sounds sometimes a little bit too good to be
true to just have a revenue stream without actually doing something different for the, um,
companies or people or whoever's operating, um, solar panels. Um, and I mean, I know a few kind of
smaller solar farms on like, um, what's the English word, like on a, it's not, it's not a,
on a barn. Right. I think that's the word. Um, and like, yeah, I was just, or like, yeah,
I was wondering what the process was like with what you went through. I mean, you mentioned that
for carbon credits can be quite a huge process to, to get to a point where the credits can be issued.
Um, yeah. Yeah. Um, uh, I will say again, like the, it's not our main focus. So like,
there are more informed people to, uh, kind of like speak with more authority on this, but I will,
I'll do my best. Um, Helios does own and operate these solar installations. So it's not like we're
like getting credits from someone else. Like we physically, like very legally, very web to real
world. We have, uh, special purpose vehicles, SPVs in each of the companies that we operate in.
And we directly own the solar installations that we operate. Um, so that is the key thing.
That's how we're able to sell the energy. Um, that's also how we're able to, um, get the, uh,
renewable energy certificates, RECs. Um, and we do so through our solar developers actually.
So we don't engage in that process directly. Um, our soul. So the way Helios works, it's
it's closer to a marketplace between investors and solar developers. So solar developers bring
us projects. We don't develop them ourselves. Um, they bring us projects. We perform necessary
due diligence on solar developers, on the projects, on the off takers counterparties. Like we, you know,
do some pretty exhaustive due diligence to make sure that these are super high quality projects.
We also invest in those projects ourselves. So like, we're very much like fun, like incentive
aligned. We're on the same page as you, if the projects are bad, we're also screwed. Um,
so we have all the right incentives to be picking the right projects. Um, but we work with our solar
developers who have the relationships and kind of manage pretty expensive solar operations around
the countries that they operate in. Um, India, for example, or Chile and Mexico, it's like
large multinational solar development organizations. Um, and they have those relationships with the
government and the authority, uh, the regulatory entities that kind of govern the renewable energy
certificate trade. Um, so that is kind of on the web two side of renewable energy certificates
on the web three side is sort of that idea that what if you just stream this solar data directly
to the blockchain and bypass that entirely. And right now that process is still like,
there's sort of a, a few different organizations that are all kind of working on it sort of together
is sort of, I hope not against each other, but, uh, kind of all at the same time on to determine
like what the best data standard is and like how to best go about marketing those credits.
So that is actually an entirely new market. Um, so there's still a lot of gray area to be figured
out there. Um, but yeah, that's most of what I know about the process. Yeah.
Right on, right on. Yeah. Okay. So I'm more to me. Oh, welcome. I'm more. How we doing? How we doing?
How's everybody doing? We're doing well. B Jen. Thank you so much for all that you, all of you do.
And, uh, what I wanted to come up to say, you know, I don't speak a lot. I listen a lot. I learn a lot.
How do I transfer all the information, Jimmy, that, you know, all your guests provide? How do I transfer
that to people who are not even on Twitter? I need you to guide me, to teach me, to help me
educate what you and all of your team members are doing to help our planet, um, and to spread love
in your education and your knowledge and your life experiences. I just don't know how to transfer all
and everything that I've learned from you and your spaces to others. So please help me there.
Wow. Brilliant question. I love it. Thank you for sharing that, Amor. And it seems like the hands are
raised and maybe other people want to chime in on this too, but I think there's a few ways. So, I mean,
method number one, we can try to onboard them into Twitter or have them participate. But another way is,
like, depending on, I think everyone learns in different ways, right? So some people are more
visual. I think maybe we can create things like infographics. Other people might just prefer to
read a book or something like that, PDFs and stuff and such. So I think what'd be a great thing to do
is also get people to come in and, um, well, there are actually different tools to do this. There's,
uh, Descript, which can take audio and then, um, turn it into like, you know, into text or even
summarize it in some cases. So, oh, Firefly's audio, we can upload Firefly's audio as like an AI
that'll take all the key points and summarize that. So maybe that could become, you know, um,
little, we could make little books around this. I know Kevin Owaki from, uh, from Gitcoin made a,
a pretty great PDF as well. If you just Google, um, yeah, if you Google, um, green pill, you'll see
different things like that. We are in the process right now of turning Max Impact into a podcast as well.
So it'll be available everywhere from, uh, you know, Spotify to, uh, Apple podcasts and all the
rest of it. So, um, it will be, it will be played there too. So stay tuned for that. Uh, I think next
up with the hands and, and thank you for sharing that. And it's always great to see you buzzing
around here as well. And if anyone has ideas as well, I'd love to hear about how we can disseminate
this information in different mediums. And I think those mediums are going to continuously evolve over
time. We can have more low tech and more high tech versions. I mean, next quarter or start of 2024,
we're going to see vision OS come out and there've been studies that have kind of shown that virtual
reality does allow people to learn, uh, significant or, you know, retain information significantly
better. Um, when you're in VR, I'd be curious to know what AR would be like and how, you know,
some people, I think everyone learns differently. Like you said, there's more visual learners. So
maybe we can explore these different mediums, but definitely be written and then audio on all
the different platforms coming to you soon. Ecosynerus, you had your hand up next and we
get to my trusty cohost fighters gang. Go ahead, buddy. Hey, yeah. So I have a question for,
for William. Um, by any chance, do you know if you guys plan to go multi chain?
Um, hmm. How much can we talk about? Give us the alpha. I'll say that I, I'm a,
I'm a very strong believer that the future is multi chain. Um, I think of web three technology
as sort of an underlying like infrastructure on which to build. I think the concept of like,
there's this chain, there's this chain and there's this chain, like in five years, I think that will
be effectively completely irrelevant. Like we're, they're kind of all have been all converging toward,
you know, proof of stake. And now the big thing is ZK. Um, so I believe that in five years,
like you won't know, and it won't matter what chain you're on, uh, the fees and the security
to swap between them will hopefully be robust enough. I know that right now it's a pain in the
ass. Um, I've been trying to move assets from a few different chains. I'm like, I've been in this
space for forever and I'm like, man, I'm lost. Like, I just don't get it. The user interface is so
confusing. I don't know who to trust. Like I'm just, I'm at least as frustrated as you guys are.
Um, but yeah, we have been working with, um, it's a few protocols, um, you know, layer zero,
life eyes, good router, folks like that, um, that are kind of building like hopefully one click
bridging infrastructure. Um, so we hope that in a future state, everyone will be able to access
it from anywhere. And in fact, at Helios, we're kind of jumping the gun and, uh, looking to create
solutions for both web three and web two users. So I think that within the next six, I'm hoping
that by the end of the year, um, when you sign on to Helios, like, unless you care that it's crypto,
you might not even know that it's crypto. It will just work. Like things will just connect. You can
connect your bank account. You can connect your wallet. You can connect from various different chains
and the infrastructure that they've built, like all of that will sort of natively sync.
Um, so the, the short answer is yes, we, you know, the goal of Helios, the core of it is really like
enabling anyone anywhere to directly fight climate change. We believe that includes every user of
every chain, non web three users, uh, you know, even web one users should be able to use Helios.
So everyone is welcome. Um, everyone, all of the world, no matter what country jurisdiction,
et cetera, et cetera. So that is the goal. Right on. Yeah. Going multi-chain bridging
definitely seems like it's being more of a trend. And by the way, uh, a little bit of impact alpha
for y'all who are listening. Um, Kyoto protocol. I know you could suggest is, is a big fan of Kyoto
and they haven't, haven't launched yet. They're launching soon. Um, they're actually have a million
dollar grant that they're launching soon. So hit up Kyoto protocol. Um, their handle is literally
Kyoto refi. So super into refi. Um, I'm actually, uh, with some of the Kyoto folks
right now in Kenya, we've got some big things coming in soon. So, uh, stay tuned for that. Some big
things. Um, and, uh, yeah, so fighters gang, I saw your hand was up earlier. Go ahead, buddy.
Fighters gang. Yeah. No, how's that buddy?
Okay. And actually we could, uh, we can actually share, uh, the, uh, the, the audio
phone, uh, with the Spotify and other, other web to, uh, uh, to make the possible to everyone
to hear this and actually, um, help them to come to a web three, uh, community. This is a good way,
I think a hundred percent, man. Yeah, definitely. Um, just being able to download. So even when
you're offline, you just have the downloaded audio there, so you could just tune in. It's
coming soon. Max impact to the podcast platform near you. Helios, go ahead, buddy.
Uh, yeah, I don't actually a quick question. Um, super huge fan of Kyoto. I was just there last
year. Um, in, you know, two minutes, what is, what is Kyoto Protocol?
Eco Sinners, do you want to take this, buddy?
To answer that in two minutes? I don't, I don't think I could, I don't think I could do that. Uh,
God. It's a tough one. That's a difficult one. I mean, it's a, you know, first carbon negative by
design blockchain. Um, you know, trying to scout a voluntary carbon marketplace. Uh, there's a lot
coming and I don't want to say too much, honestly. Um, you know, I believe that there is a marketing
runway coming up and, um, I, what I would say is to stay tuned and, uh, keep your eyes open on the
community as well as the Twitter. I'll keep it at that. Awesome. Awesome. Yeah. I'll be, I'll be
following closely. Very cool. Yeah. So it's a, it's a layer one blockchain very much about supporting
refi. Um, they're not only launching a token, but also an NFT marketplace and they have a,
they have a desk here to swap. They've already planted thousands of trees and we're going to be
doing some big things together with the mangroves. So yeah, stay tuned for that. And, um, and yeah,
bring in that grant money, right. Can make it, make a big impact. And, uh, friends, it is time for our
final segments and that is words of wisdom. This is where we're going to do a quick once around and
everyone will get a chance to share some words and wisdom, some nuggets of knowledge,
if you will. All right. So this is where, you know, something that you might want to share
with your children or your children's children, just some information you find particularly
valuable. Maybe you want to put this up on a billboard somewhere because you think people
need to know this. Oh, you see, we got, we got earth from solo punk doubt in the audience.
Come up here. If you got some words of wisdom to share, brother, I had a great solo punk
leading the solo punk down. Um, but, uh, yeah, so what are you going to do once around? We're
going to end with you, William, uh, unless you got a hard stop at the top of the hour,
you got a little bit, a few more minutes. Absolutely. For Jimmy, I got all the time in
the world, brother. My man. All right, great. So we'll end with you. Um, let's start with the
more ladies first, go ahead and more. If you have some words, if you want to skip, we can come back to
you, but my words, my words is love is love and love is something that can change
can move mountains and can unite our human, our humanity, our nature, our species. Love is love.
Bottom line. I love it. I love it. I love it. Um, just to add to that, uh, as a Beatles quote in the
end, the love you take is equal to the love you make. I'm constantly spreading this and yeah,
spread as much love as humanly possible. All love is equal. I love it. Thank you coming up,
Amor. Great to hear your voice up here and max impact. I always see you buzzing around the
listeners. Great to see you as a speaker as well. All right. So eco synergist, your next buddy,
hit us with the words of wisdom. Uh, keeping it simple guys, you know, uh, keep getting connected in
the, in the, uh, the refi space, reach out to people, uh, hit that follow button. Um, it's important
for us to stay connected and, uh, know who is out there and doing what. Absolutely. Abso-freaking-lully.
I follow everyone who comes in here because if you clicked on a max impact peak at a bear market,
you are my people. You are my people who want to do positive impact in this space. And I love each
and every one of you. I can vouch for so many people, pretty much everyone in here. Um, I can
vouch for so do the thing, right? Follow everyone in the space, read their bio, take a second to DM them
and see how you can be of service, how you can add value to them, because that is what
web three is all about. We're all going to make impact. That is the new wag me, ladies and gentlemen.
All right. Next up is fight is gang. Sonny hit us with your words of wisdom, buddy.
Yeah. You know, I believe that small acts when multiplied by a million of people
can transport the work. Okay. We can do it every day with a small thing, touching a tree,
you know, going out in the nature, planting a tree, you know, in these small things,
multiplied by the people and makes a big change. I think, uh, that's it.
Oh, oh, sorry. I was muted there. Yes, absolutely. Tubbs tree, ladies and gentlemen,
touch that tree. Not only does connecting with nature, you know, reduce stress and make us more
happy people. But if you post a photo with your hand on the tree and you use the hashtag touch tree,
you will get that. That is one of the prerequisites to become a tree gen and get green listed.
Uh, and we're, we're gonna, we're gonna be doing some giveaways as well through there. So,
um, I'm actually with right now, Frank of Kyoto, uh, one of the co-founder of the COO.
So, uh, Frank, what are your words of wisdom, brother?
Consolidate, collaborate, change. What do I mean? Refine must consolidate. We need to come together,
collaborate. We must help this movement as pioneers go forward. And together, collectively,
we will see change. Let's fucking grow. I love it. Yes. Triple C. Amazing. Okay.
Last but certainly not least, Helios, hit us with your words of wisdom, brother.
Work-life balance. Uh, don't spend all of your time staring at your computer screen. It will drive
you nuts. Um, all of life is the long game. Make sure you spend lots of time with your friends,
spend time out in nature, understand that, uh, working less can actually be a lot more productive.
Um, and, uh, yeah, mental health is super important. Yeah. I'll keep it to that.
Yeah. Respect, man. Hey, there's a book called the happiness advantage. And a lot of people think
that, uh, you know, when we're successful, then we'll be happy. It's, it's actually the other way
around. You can find ways to inject joy and fulfillment and passion and just to be a happier
human by enjoying the little things. And by the way, human connection, as you said, is one of the
greatest, it's actually in this book, they did many studies is actually the number one contributor to
human happiness is human connection. The people are going to, you know, cheer for you and celebrate
the highs and catch you in the lows. Like it is those human connections that is the number one
contributor. Um, but also I think that fulfillment tapping into something that sets your soul on fire,
that can, you know, help you, um, you know, tap into this incredible energy and passion. I think
that's also another great contributor to human happiness, but yes, find time for those things
because it will actually make you more productive and thereby more successful.
Thank you for tuning in ladies and gentlemen. Uh, we have, I was going to do a back-to-back
episode yesterday, but then impact zone was right after it. So I was like, all right,
I don't want to overlap with impact zone. So we're having another guest tomorrow, same time. So we're
actually, we do it six days a week today. Uh, make sure this week, I mean, make sure you ring it in the
bell on my profile so you don't miss out on some of these spaces. Times may vary. We might move it a
little bit earlier sometimes. So ring the bell and, uh, and I'll see you next time. Ladies and
gentlemen, thank you for coming through. I'm going to, I'm going to play you out on a happy song.
Speaking of happiness and mental health and doing the fun little things. All right. This is by the
OJs. It's called a sing a happy song. It's very hard to hear this song and not smile. Uh, so I'm
going to play you out on a happy song. While you do make sure you do the thing, follow every single
person in this space. They're all incredible humans do the thing, follow everyone and DM them
and connect and network. Your network is your net worth. And that is what is going to give you the
fuel to the fire to maximize your impact. So, uh, yeah, happy days. Much love. Thanks for coming
through. William. Thank you for co-hosting with me fighters gang and everyone up and more. Thank you
for coming up as a speaker. Um, everybody much love, much love. All right, here we go. Here we grow.
We do some emoji dances. That's how we dance in the Twitter spaces.
Tap an emoji to the beat. All right. All right.
we're going to come to the next song.
We're going to come up as a group of people.
We're going to come to the next song.
Riding up the darkest day, oh, it can beat your knees, it can surround you with peace, it's a piece of man.
Hey.
Move your body from side to side
Oh, yes, you won't feel it now
I'm running through the sound
The sound of music
Why don't you sing the happy song
Sing the happy song
Take my way, go through the waves
Sing the happy song
Come on, let's sing the happy song
Come on, let's sing the happy song
You know you can do it
Easy, easy to do
Sing the happy song
Come on, everybody
Let's get to the happy song
Sing the happy song
When you're in the ball
Sing the happy song
All right, much love, ladies and gentlemen
Until next time
Keep doing what you love
Keep spreading love
And making impact
Peace
