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MAX IMPACT EP. 503 & 504 - Regen Network, ReFi Hub & $TGN
Recorded: July 28, 2025 Duration: 1:41:22Space Recording
Short Summary
The discussion highlights the launch of the Max Impact Show, emphasizing growth in the regenerative finance sector through strategic partnerships, community engagement, and innovative funding opportunities. Key topics include the tokenization of biodiversity credits, yield opportunities, and the importance of collective efforts in driving the movement forward.
Full Transcription
Let's grow!
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Alright, alright, alright right, all right.
Welcome, welcome, welcome.
Okay.
Welcome, Zikon.
Welcome, Kawagoomba.
My brother from another mother.
So, Dave, are we doing just spaces audio or did you want to do video as well?
Totally up to you.
No pressure.
We can do either or.
Video allows to clip up some.
It's just a way to join.
Okay, you're waiting to join.
Oh, amazing.
All right, all right.
Let me jump back in the green room.
I'm not seeing you in the green room yet.
Let me try it again.
Okay, okay. See, we got some Coral Tribe Fam in here. Um, I'm not seeing you in the green room yet. Let me try it again. I'll be fast.
Okay, okay.
See, we got some Coral Tribe fam in here.
We got a back-to-back episode.
First up, we got Regen Network, the one and only Dave, and then we got the ReFi Hub.
Numa's joining us right after as well.
Welcome, Troll King, my britta.
Welcome, Curtis.
Let's grow.
Let's freaking grow. Here we go. Okay. I see Dave.
All right. So we're getting growing. Okay. All right. Let me turn off the promo. Okay.
Amazing. We're going to grow live video and audio. Double whammy. Let's get it.
Okay.
Where should we grow live?
We're going live all across the interwebs.
We got a whole bunch of...
Okay, refi, let's grow.
Jimmy, tree gens, boom.
The multi-stream.
Okay.
Hold up, hold up.
Let's grow Max Impact, episode 503.
Let's grow.
Okay, here we go.
Starting it up.
Welcome Crypto Sailor, welcome Crypto Black Ops. Just shot you both a follow. I was already following Crypto Sailor. Welcome Crypto Black Ops.
Just shot you both a follow.
I was already following Crypto Sailor.
Okay.
Connection.
Oh, okay.
Not connected to that account.
All right.
Whoops.
Gonna try that one more time.
One more time.
Here we go.
Boop-a-da-boop.
Nope.
Okay.
From the top.
Jimmy Tree Gens. Lank From the top. Chimmy, Tregens.
Thank you, Dink.
And here.
Okay.
Whoops.
Okay.
So we're just going to have no audio coming out of the computer.
And away we grow.
Okay.
Max impact.
Okay.
Nice.
LF grow. Okay. Starting her up. Welcome, friends. Make sure you're max engaging in the bottom right. Retweet. Give it some love. Tag a friend.
Let everybody know it's about to grow down. Welcome, B regen. We got all the regens in
the house. Hello and welcome, welcome everybody to the Max Impact Show.
This is the live spaces show that is all about empowering you, the change makers, to maximize
your positive impact in the world by leveraging the latest and greatest technology. We got a
refi legend in this space. We got Dave Fortson of Regen Network coming to you live on both spaces and video right now.
Regen Network, for those of you who may not be super familiar, they are the OGs of regenerative finance.
I mean, they literally coined the term refi and are now leading the way in terms of biodiversity credits. We've done a max impact
before, but we got new people here. And I think this is always something to refocus on and
reiterate and really always hone in on. I think it's a daily practice that we should always be
exercising. And that is, what is your why? Nietzsche said with a strong enough why, you can endure almost anyhow.
So let us know, Dave.
What gets you out of bed in the morning?
What is your why?
Oh, you do have to unmute on the spaces.
I know it's a little bit difficult.
We're doing both video
and audio. How is this? Can you hear me now? We got you. Yep, we got you. Okay, good. I'm
pouring that audio into the video broadcast as well. Yeah. Well, it's too bad the folks
on crypto Twitter can't see me right now because I got my fly new, like, look at this thing.
I mean, do you see this? You can see. Oh, I'm bringing you off and on. Yeah, I don't know.
Is there internet? Maybe it's me. No, I'm talking. I have to be up and on. Yeah, I don't know. Is there internet?
Maybe it's me.
No, it's all good.
I have to be up here right now.
So there is a chance.
Either way, I've got a fly jumpsuit on just for this video.
Oh, you're looking fly.
Wait, let me read.
Yeah, it's not coming up on video, man.
Yeah, I can see it.
Maybe just refresh the page.
Yeah, it's coming up blank here.
I want to see this fly jumpsuit. I did get a little sneak peek at the start, but then it froze up. Maybe just refresh the page. Yeah, it's coming up blank here. Oh, really? I want to see this fly jumpsuit.
I did get a little sneak peek at the start, but then it froze up.
Wait, wait, I'll refresh the video.
Just refresh the page.
That's why we're doing multi-channel.
All right?
We're keeping it going on the spaces, even though the video.
Well, so back to the why.
The why, certainly one of the big whys.
I've got two kids, Jimmy.
And if you need a reason to do anything in life, it's when you've got a couple of kids looking at you and they're wondering what their future, their world's going to look like.
You know, where, you know, I've gotten to I've had the privilege and honor of traveling, you know, most corners of the world and seeing giraffes and elephants and whales and I've seen sunrises and multiple continents and,
you know, and just had the, God, what a, just an engagement with the natural planet
that we are so lucky to live on. And, you know, it's knowing that it's changing so quickly and
before our eyes, being able to, you know, wake up and have something to fight for so my kids to be able to see the world that I saw is a pretty big.
Yeah, that's an important part of why I do what I do.
Beautiful.
Anyhow, that's my why.
Beautiful, beautiful.
I love that why.
Thinking about the next generation is always a really inspiring and motivating thing to leave this planet better than how we found it.
And it's cool that you had those experiences in your life that shaped your outlook. We need more
people like Dave in this world. Matthew, can you confirm, is it coming through the audio a little
bit crackly, a little diddly diddly? Or is that just me? I don't hear it crackling. Okay, that's
probably just me then. My bad. Ethiopian Wi-Fi. I can get on Hotspot. Okay. That's probably just me then. My bad. Okay. And then we've got my Ethiopian Wi-Fi.
I can get on Hotspot.
I think it's probably decent.
But great.
I'm glad everyone else is hearing it very clear.
Okay, great.
So let's talk about – because I know some people here have already got a decent scope of what Regen Network is up to.
I know you guys have made some big moves
in the tokenized carbon space.
What I want to focus a little bit more on
in this space is biodiversity
because this is an up-and-coming,
you know, massive sector.
And some people are arguing
even more important than carbon itself
because this is measuring the holistic system
of how this is affecting all of the living beings and their environments and these ecosystems at the end of the day.
So I would love it, Dave, if you could give us a rundown on what Regen Network is up to in terms of biodiversity credits.
How are these things being measured today?
How do you see the space evolving over time?
Yeah.
Yeah. Thanks for checking in. Yeah. So we, so Regen Network, after jumping in
as one of the first Web3 native groups that tokenized carbon, you know, we frankly felt
had similar dissatisfaction with just carbon markets.
You know, focusing in, frankly, on a single molecule, if you will, is not or a single
element was not exactly what we felt was the most healthy for really bringing true ecological
regeneration options to the world and scaling
those. So we were one of the earliest pioneers, certainly in Web3 and largely in Web2, in bringing
biodiversity credits or biodiversity units, depending on what you want to call them,
to the market, working in one of our probably most, still to this day, one of the most powerful projects
that really exemplifies the possibility of biodiversity
to offer a measurable, comprehensive approach
to ecological regeneration that includes humans
is our work with the Xadamento community in the Amazon,
Amazon with our partners,
the Amazon Sacred Headwaters Alliance and Fundación
Pachamama. This is a group, a Xadamense community, they're part of the Achuar Nation,
and they continue to be pursued by extractive companies looking for their metals and their wood,
and these community members approached us through some emissaries and basically said, we're looking for alternative forms of revenue that allow us to meet our core life needs.
Things like education and maternal health, broad health care requirements.
While they were saying, look, we want to protect our hardwoods, we want to protect the habitat for jaguars and other major species, how can you help us do this? that incorporated their ability to integrate human health and cultural health along with
our desired goal of protecting the planet, of protecting jaguar habitat, of protecting
habitat that serves as the substrate for a whole web of life in the Amazon.
So this was what we call the biocultural jaguar credit.
It does everything from using camera traps, which aren't relatively low cost, high reward
ways of monitoring health of major species and umbrella
species like the jaguar, and helps train the communities to do their own monitoring and have
that in incorporating other technologies to provide a holistic accounting of are the forests
being protected, are the communities being served, and then rolling that
up into a unit that investors and philanthropists and corporations could purchase to support their
livelihoods and support the protection of that land. And so we were able to do that
with this community.
We sold the first $75,000 worth more or less around East Denver over the course of the past year.
And really started to set an example for much of the Amazon basin, we hope, that offers a model that is developed and designed by the communities of stewards that, you know, again, brings their life into focus, the importance of their life practices, as well as the ecological practices
of conservation and restoration and regeneration. So we're super proud of that project.
And it kind of exemplifies, Jimmy, I think what's possible, right? You know, anything we can measure and see, we can use to verify impact.
We just need to communicate clearly and really center the land stewards and their needs, 100%. Matthew, you can still hear Dave on the spaces?
I hear...
No, you can't.
Okay, Dave, I'm going to drop you down, bring you back up.
Fortunately, on the video, I could still hear you.
So basically what he'd said is that if it doesn't work for people on the ground, then it's not...
Oh, let me unmute on the video as well. Then it doesn't work. We need to make it work for everybody.
And now I lost him entirely. Hopefully he can come back. Oh, there we go. Okay, he's back.
Noice. Sending you that grow host invite. invite so yeah it's got to work for everybody i i totally hear you on that and uh
it's great that you're you have these amazing indigenous partnerships formed on the ground to
have these kind of grassroots approaches and i'm glad we got you back on the video now we can see
the awesome jump jump suit there we go hey there we go. Nice. And some leaves in the back as well.
Very regen.
I love it.
So how do those partnerships come to be?
What is the approach with working with indigenous groups and making sure that these are the best solutions for everybody that really is the stewards of the lands, first and foremost?
Well, I mean, it's a good question. And just to
be transparent, I mean, I've not sat in community with these, sat in circle with these communities,
but my colleagues have, Gregory Landaway, Sam Bennett, Giselle Booman, our chief scientist.
I mean, they have met with these leaders on their land, in their circles. And I think one of the things that Gregory coined a bit
ago, which I just love, but it really speaks to the paradox of the world that we're working in,
in a time of speed and quick transactions and, you know, notifications. You can't move faster
than the speed of trust, right? The speed of
trust demands when you work with indigenous communities that we have found is that sitting
in circle, building trust, you know, and, and, and it, you know, sitting and like experiencing
another human being and hearing and observing and paying attention and moving at a speed that allows that the social and
bonds between human beings in order to scaffold anything from software to agreements to change
and to scale systemic impact, it just takes time. And so, you know, to the credit of much of my
Regen team, you know, they have for years now, for the past two, I think most three years,
have been building relationships with these Indigenous communities by being in their community
physically, by being in their forests, by listening closely and helping to design.
And this is the key thing, right? We're all designers here, if you're listening, right?
We're trying to design systems that marry the biosphere with the technosphere, right?
So the biosphere being like the soil and the critters in the soil and the human stewarding
it and marry it to the zeros and ones and the technical infrastructure that allows us to express trust to wide groups of
folks who may never interact with these communities. So that is the challenge I think that all of us
have here as artists, as technology artists, as regeneration maxis, is to make sure that we
don't lose connections and try to move faster than what it requires
a particular relationship to build trust, because that trust will find its way in design
into the zeros and ones and into the financial capital assets that are developed and into
the long term capital flows that will create systemic, durable impact and regeneration.
So, you know, big kudos to the whole Regen team
who's really just done the hard work that nobody sees, frankly.
And it's not as easy as just spinning up a DAO, frankly.
It is like literally just sitting with human beings,
breaking bread, building relationships,
and then scaling that up into a software stack
and a set of products that are trustworthy and desired by the world.
Very key thing. That's a very, very good point.
You can only move as fast as the speed of trust and you've got to build that into the technology,
but starting with those conversations and being with the stewards of the land.
So what does that look like?
I know that there was like a public comment.
It's very kind of in the open as these methodologies are being formed around biodiversity credits and things of that nature.
network maximally ensure trust in the approach of, you know, tokenizing and making sure that
all these ecological assets are available to anyone who wants to support that? What's the
approach and how does that all tie together? Sure. Well, one is radical transparency. And this is where Web3 is beautifully designed for creating trust, right? We're not here to be arbiters of quality. What we're here to do is make sure that everyone can see the methodology that's been chosen.
We are here to show you the peer review of that methodology.
We're here to show you the monitoring, reporting, and verification reports.
We're here to show you how many units were purchased and for how much and how the money was distributed.
All of that occurs on the project page for a particular project.
So you can go to app.regen.network right now.
app.region.network right now. And you can see if you look up the biocultural Jaguar credits,
you can see the data post or data stream that allows the community to continue to post images,
agreements, spreadsheets, tables, everything that basically is the body of work that underlies an
asset. And when we think this is super important, right, because this is starts to remove the black box and the intermediaries that often play gatekeeper.
Right. They rent seek. They play gatekeeper where, you know, again, a lot of us, you know, Jimmy, you included, have gambled that, hey, if we bring more transparency, not to like say that we're going to that, you know, transparency is like the magic per se to everything, because, everything, because you're going to see warts.
But it's important that people see the warts and the problems, as well as how we're iterating and growing and changing and evolving to create really durable trust around a particular asset. So when that asset comes, and it looks like, again, to a chief sustainability officer in a company, they're like, why am I going to choose the biocultural Jaguar
credit that we give them every reason to say yes, because they can see who attested to what,
who verified what impact, who are the scientists, what are the units that were spun up, how did
they come up with that equation, Where was the money distributed and spent?
And that kind of spirit and practice
we do with every one of our projects
and utilizing a mix of like a nice web two interface
so you can see what's happening in like a blog format,
knowing that all of those posts are anchored
in hash on chain, right?
On region ledger.
So that substrate allows other people to also dip in
and be able to bring these Web3 assets to other communities
with the same view of the claims and the data and the methodologies.
So ideally, Regen continues to aim to be the Web3 source for verified ecological impact, the Regen ledger, regardless of who's making it.
And that that trust layer is then translatable into the broader Web3 and Web2 space and really shifting on how we do markets.
Right. Not one of opacity, not one of gatekeeping, but one of radical transparency, one of trust building and one of like, you know, being upfront and, you know, just pulling back the veil around what nature is messy and beautiful.
Right. We're going to show you all of it and we're going to show you how we're those we're working together to build the best set of products possible so that we can invest at scale, move the trillions of dollars off the sidelines and put them into ecological regeneration.
Woo. I know I know Daniel's getting excited here about those trillies getting towards the generation.
By the way, quick shout out to the people of the comment section.
Much love to BeRegen.
I think he's the first person to comment.
Regen Network did the GM in there.
Black Ops is chilling in there.
We love to see it.
Matthew dropping the TGN, TGN animation GIF.
Curtis left multiple comments.
Double shout out to you, Curtis, with the GIF.
And you're tagging four friends in the comments.
Everyone, it's up to all of us to let our friends know and to grow this movement, right?
We need to make regen the meta.
So Max Engage, shout out to Macek and Kawagumba who did Let's Grow in the comments.
Everyone else, bottom right, that little oval, little purple oval over there.
Max Engage, give it a heart, give it a retweet, tag a friend, and let's let everybody know
that regeneration is on chain, it's transparent, it's rewarding, and let's let everybody know that regeneration is on chain it's transparent it's
rewarding and it's incredibly impactful this is stuff that we can feel you know deeply fulfilled
getting involved in and uh and who knows maybe number go up but at the end of the day wag me
we're all gonna make impact right that is guaranteed so let's freaking grow okay we talked about the
biodiversity markets and I know that this is a growing sector right it's a
carbon market is obviously leading the way but biodiversity as you said could
be debatably even more important and so but there's a kind of like a like a
sexy term of like hey we're carbon neutral and then like that's that's like
a really easily measurable thing but like biodiverse neutral is not quite a thing yet, right? Like
nature positive, nature positive. Okay, I like that. I like that. That's one of the terms that's
emerging, you know, biodiversity net gain is another one. Nature positive. I kind of like
nature positive, but I'm also open, you know, Jimmy, this is where your marketing mind could be well applied. I mean, it's, you know, so I'm going to maybe leave you to
help codify the new kind of the term that will help grow this market because it does need growing,
Jimmy. It's like biodiversity. Everyone's talking a good game right now. All the big corporates are
ready to, they got some dry powder that they think they're going to point toward biodiversity credit markets. But it's still
kind of figuring out who it wants to be when it grows up. I think everyone's pretty bullish that
there's going to be many, many billions of dollars oversized market, but it's still young
in its infancy. And folks like you and Regen and other folks are really helping shape this market around, you know, frankly, there with dirty fingernails and in the soil, putting
another stalk of mangrove smack dab into that moist soil.
And, you know, those are the stories that we need that help to build the lore around
the future of these markets that need to grow into the trillions.
100%.
Love that. And Nature into the trillions. 100%. Love that.
And nature positive sounds really great.
It sounds really great.
And thank you for the kind word.
Yeah, you know, by the way,
we have Tuesday, Wednesday,
three more days,
three more days until July 31st
where we're attempting to collectively plant
a billion trees around the world,
mostly in Ethiopia.
It's an insane initiative.
We're doing our first ever legit Growlympics.
And when I say Growlympics, I mean competitive tree planting.
We're going to have a thousand people in one area and teams competing against each other.
500 versus 500.
The winner continues.
And then 250 versus 250 continue. Ten rounds of that until we're left with one tree planting champion and they're going to
get some prizes um so anyone that wants to be a part of the grow elition uh to help us make history
by getting more trees planted in a day than any other day before so that we can you know really
grow this movement and regenerate as much as possible shoot shoot us a DM and we can get you growing together.
Because ultimately, this is much bigger than any individual organization. It's about a movement
of what we can all accomplish together so that we can push this regenerative movement forward.
So big ups to Regen Network, Dave. You guys are clearly leading the charge. And yeah,
so your biodiversity registry,
Lasse Check was the biggest in the world.
Is that still the case?
Like, what is the registry look like?
We don't know.
We're not quite sure if it's still the biggest.
We were the biggest.
But, you know, frankly, of course,
it's always nice to be able to shout that you're the biggest.
But it's epic regardless.
Whatever the size is, you guys are making waves.
And so that's really phenomenal.
So for those who might be interested in scooping up some biodiversity credits, where do they go?
Is it Regen Network, the main site?
The easiest place, just the direct URL, just app.region.network.
App.region.network. App.region.network.
Okay.
Yeah, and that will take you to our store, the marketplace.
It's a peer-to-peer marketplace where you can use crypto or credit card, and you can pick yourself up.
developer that is pioneering the habitat bank industry, which has been amazing, which is
really locking land into 30 year contracts of conservation and regeneration, and then
being able to build biodiversity crediting on top of that.
We have the ERA Brazil, E-R-A Brazil, they're based out of Colombia or out of Brazil. And they're using the umbrella
species and similar jaguar type protection methodology. We have the Chata Mensa, a
biocultural jaguar credit. And we have the, which is another one, we have the world's first marine
biodiversity credit with sea trees, which is around restoring coral, seagrasses, and mangroves. So any of those
are all great candidates. Please take a look at them. You know, these are, again, far from just,
you know, appearing on a screen in front of you. They're like with your grow nation. I mean,
it's a whole group of human beings on the ground, you know, who are rolling up their sleeves and doing the hard work of stewardship.
And so every dollar you spend, you know, almost a super majority of that chunk goes directly to those stewards.
So we'd be honored if you picked up a few.
If you have questions, always holler.
We're at office at region.network if you want to find any of us.
But, yeah, we're honored to be here and look forward to coming back on the show.
Right on.
I love it.
Yeah, so we're past the halfway point of this first episode of the back-to-back.
So if anyone listening has questions, please don't hesitate to tap the mic in the bottom left on Spaces.
If you're watching on video, you can come on Spaces.
And bring your question.
If you can't come up and speak, you can drop it in the comments bottom right, and I will try to get to it as well.
So bring your questions, queries, your comments, and let's grow, let's grow, let's grow.
We got Curtis coming up.
I know Curtis is a big fan of Regen Network.
Amazing human being.
Tag four people in the comments. Absolute G. What's growing on, Curtis? You got some questions, some queries? What's happening?
Yo, can y'all hear me?
Hey, Curtis.
Yo, hey. What's up, everybody? I'm glad. I'm at work. It's gonna be a little loud i'll be uh kind of a way
i just gotta direct this guy where he wants to put this pallet of grass i'm doing uh laying i i don't
lay the grass as much i sell the grass and you know they have a sod farms and stuff a lot of uh
stuff you know urban development stuff it gets me thinking about a lot. And here, just one second, one second.
I love it.
Curtis is doing the work and listening to your space as he's doing the work.
That's a G right there.
Yo, I'm back.
I'm back.
What's up, everybody?
So, man, I've been, you know, in Cosmos.
I'm coming from the Cosmos, and I actually had a really cool fact. I met Jake from the Juno community, the guy who built Stargaze.
He told me that the Regen Network made the Cosmos SBK.
Is that true?
Just to clarify, we didn't make it, but we were the lead maintainers of this stack that, you know, is facilitating billions of dollars of transactions a year.
We maintained it for a couple of years.
So we were the engineering team that was dedicated to maintaining the stack for all of Cosmos, which is 60 plus chains, I think now, or even more.
So, yes, so we were honored to be thought of
highly on the engineering side to be able to do that. But now we're just focused purely on
Regen Ledger, just to be clear. Yeah, that's awesome. It was so cool
knowing how involved you are, you know, because y'all are one of the OG chains in Cosmos. And I've just been here for the ride up and down.
You know, I'm not a big investor.
I love investing.
I love the movement here.
But, you know, I have projects going on,
and I'm interested in developing cool businesses
for the original Carbon Grasslands credits here in Texas. That's kind of like one of
my big career goals. I know I've mentioned this to people and I think I've promoted that on Jimmy's
show a long time ago on Max Impact. But it's just been a lot of work. I've been really busy with
work and I think timing is everything. you know i think um i want to move
back to paris texas i think it's going to be really interesting they do have a live auction
you know they have a livestock auction and i think that's going to play a crucial role in um the
future of this kind of industry that we're we're going to be building on the on the front end you
know it's not just you know investors and and capital and people with... It's actually
businesses and cities that need this kind of economic security for the nature stuff.
And everyone's understanding a lot of that now. Texas has some nature credits. I know
that it's not perfect. I know that y'all are familiar with
how much the institutional environment has negatively infected the carbon credit model
and how we're challenged to face against EPA regulations and all that stuff that are not
really doing. They're just giving with the whole emission base you you touched on that um a little bit but uh as far as you know the current state where we're
really early on this and everyone in the audience needs to know that we are super early and it's a
great time to learn a lot about what um how this is going to play out in the next you know 10 years
um for me i'm already contemplating on um youating on all these things that we're going to have
to face with heavy industrialization. We have lots of capitalism with Trump and all that stuff.
And we're going to be trying to push a lot in industry. And so with that, there's still lack
of knowledge of a lot of the nature that is going to be taken away. And I'm like, I was
already like thinking like, man, we're gonna have to tax home building in Texas, or in America,
because there's no regulation on sustainability. I know in Australia, they have a really good model
of, they have a really good policies and really good regulation for energy efficiency. They're putting back to their
circuits, their systems, energy circuit all the time. If you're not putting back in, you're
not really doing anything. And I think that that is a completely different environment
than what we're going to see for United States, we're really just giving away our money to and taking more.
So, yeah, just lots of ranting and stuff.
Can you all hear me good?
I know that.
Yeah, we can hear you great.
Dave had to jump off.
He had another thing.
He already stayed like eight minutes over.
He was a short gasp.
But we're going to have him back and other Regen Network folks.
We have another Max Impact episode happening, I believe,
at the top of the hour. So stay tuned for that. In the meantime, we can keep these discussions
flowing. Also, TreeGens is in the middle of our pre-sale right now. For those of you who aren't
aware, TreeGens is tokenizing tree planting through a proof of free protocol. The foundation
for the Regennaissance and the world that we want to live in, which is a world where
anyone can plant trees and earn a living, is through the TGN token. So TGN is our
governance token. It's used, and when you're staking this token, you're not
just going to earn more of the same token, you're also going to be earning
ecological credits. So 5% of all the ecological credits that we're able to mint,
whether if that's our mangrove tree token or other tokenized trees through NFTs or biodiversity
credits in future, you're going to be earning 5% of all that just by ticking a few boxes.
Super easy to do. And even if you don't have time, you can delegate that to others.
If you're one of the first 500 people to put in $200 value, by the way, you can put pretty much any token that you want.
On Ethereum's birthday, which is in two days, whatever the value of that is, we can bridge it for you to stables.
If it's more than 200, you're going to be getting the most innovative NFT bar none.
We have a $100 bounty for anyone who can find a more
innovative NFT. It's first of all, the most dynamic, it visually levels up in three different
ways. Trees funded, trees planted, and TGN staked all visually level up the NFT. What's really cool
though is every single NFT is going to come alive as an AI agent, be able to post online to grow the DAO. And we're also building a social five platform, which streams
TGN to you every single second, depending on the real engagement that you're getting
as your AI agent is posting and growing the movement. So pretty cool stuff. You know,
we're only making 1000 of them. And the first 500 people to put in at least 200 bucks worth of value,
we'll be getting one of them for free. We think the NF in at least 200 bucks worth of value will be getting one of
them for free we think the nfts alone will be working worth more than this and you're going
to get your tgn tokens plus the nft plus you get a dot tgn wallet address you can have curtis.tgn
and uh it's gonna you're gonna be able to use ai agents your nft to send money around and trade this is
another feature that dot tgn wallet addresses are going to have uh so pretty cool stuff you get
literally getting two free nfts for 200 buckaruchis and you're getting in at the ground
level before we make history get a billion trees planted before we get featured in bbc and all
these other news outlets we actually have already been in in the BBC. A community member shilled us on the BBC like a couple weeks ago.
But I got four points of contact there.
I'm heavily interested in covering this Growlympics that we have going as we set out to try to
get a billion trees planted in a day.
So if you want to join our DAO, if you want to join the Tree Gens movement, we are making
it super easy for you while we're still in phase two.
Literally all you got to do is head to
your MetaMask or whatever wallet and send whatever token is on an EVM chain. I'm talking Ethereum,
Base, Cello, Matic, Arbitrum, any of those chains. You can just send pretty much whatever tokens you
got on there to TGN.ETH. That's TGN.ETH. It should work. You just send 200 bucks there. We'll bridge it for you.
And once we do our TreeGE, which is coming up real soon, you're going to get your TGN and you're
probably going to get your NFTs even before that. So really cool stuff. We're in our pre-sale. We've
been building this for more than two years. We were in the first place three times in the
Gitcoin grant platform.
You know, we partnered with a bunch of governments to make history, to continuously regenerate the world.
We're doing decentralized planting rewards.
This is RWA, Real World Assets.
So if you watch it on video, it's right there at the tippy top.
Send thy crypto and then we will airdrop you at TreeGE.
And if you refer a friend, you can also get rewarded for that it's kind of manual
right now in phase two because it's just the edns address but start a group chat say hey i
unverted this homie and uh and we can reward you through that as well so there we grow it's all
about uh growing from the community up you know we would not be here if it weren't for um if it
weren't for the community right we wouldn't have been able to build all this technology.
We wouldn't have been able to break Guinness World Records.
We've already got one Guinness World Record in the bank,
and we're on track to break another world record collectively as a movement
with governments and various organizations around the world
if it weren't for the supporters during Bitcoin.
So much love to everyone who has supported us over the years.
I really love and appreciate you.
And let's freaking grow.
So Noom is going to be joining us in 17 minutes, 17 mins,
and then we're going to get into that.
But in the meantime, if anyone has any questions about TreeGens, TGN,
TGN, anything that we got cooking, we're an open book. All of our detailed tokenomics are in the
anything that we got cooking, we're an open book.
updates channel of our Telegram. Guys, we have some pretty insane competitions going on in the
Telegram, which I'm going to put up at the top, TGN fam. So in our Telegram, we are giving away
$1,050 just for inviting people to the Telegram.
This is supercharged.
We're getting pretty close to 5,000 people in there in a very short period of time.
And so all you got to do is ask Dada Poet for your own invite link.
Just tag him, Dada Poet.
You'll see him pretty active in there, community manager.
He'll get to the invite link.
It's very easy to get on the leaderboard.
In the top 20, everyone gets something something but the top three get even more so invite like crazy and that's how you can get
your piece of that we also have a zealy competition that's another 1050 in rewards from zealy
competitions bunch of things you can do to get rewarded on zealy you can just check the pinned
in the telegram so i just put it up there at the top. Check pinned, do the zealine, make an impact, and get paid while you grow the movement.
That is what's up.
That's how we're growing.
Let's freaking grow.
So, yeah, that's a bit of an overview.
If anyone has any questions, feel free to chime in.
A big, big change that's happened in the carbon markets,
by the way. I see we got change code in the house. We were talking about this when we did like a
eight, nine hour, nine plus, I think it was more than nine hours in our last spaces.
But now the voluntary carbon market can sell to the compliance market, which is
a lot more typically is how much is paid for those compliant
carbon credits. I typically haven't been the biggest fan of the compliant market because
you're basically giving organizations or countries permissions to pollute by buying those credits.
However, since it is more funds, and if the intention is to take those funds and put it back
into the good thing, the regenerative
activities, that means you can multiply your projects even more, right? So by multiplying,
typically, this takes a long time, okay? So carbon is sequestered according to a bell curve.
So the first five years, there's not a lot of sequestration. So there's not a lot of funds
that you can leverage to do more of the good thing. Typically, the approach of tree gens, the way that we're going to back this with RWAs,
is through something called carbon forwards. And the way that a carbon forward works is you can
sell the future value of carbon credits, whether if this be to impact investors, to other carbon
developers, or even countries that know they need the credits in the future, they can buy in the short term.
Even though it's at a discount,
it's a big multiple of what it costs to plant the trees in the first place,
which means you can multiply the trees,
sell it forward on that,
multiply again,
sell it forward on that,
multiply again,
sell it forward on that.
By repeating this process,
we can exponentially scale regeneration.
And then as a DAO member,
by getting TGN, you can then vote on how you want to use funds, whether if it's by multiplying a specific carbon project or a biodiversity credit project or taking a portion of those funds and backing the liquidity of our token.
This is how we're going to be leveraging this as RWAs to have long-term value.
This is not a quick initiative where we get excited about it
and the hype train goes away.
This is something that I'm going to be building
for the long-term
and taking those funds subject to a DAO vote
to back our tokens with those RWAs
so that it can have long-term value.
So that's a bit of a rundown
of what we got cooking.
And by the way,
one of the biggest carbon credit deals in history has already been signed, due diligence done.
They're now going through the process in the London exchange.
They have expressed that they're going to be investing in our first carbon project in Thailand.
That's where we're going to be doing our first carbon credit project.
And it's mangrove trees, which of course lead, by the way, the reason why blue carbon is more valuable in the
carbon market is because it also has these other benefits, right? Like biodiversity.
Mangrove trees are one of the biggest hotbeds for biodiversity. So many animals thrive around them.
When you go into the mangrove forest, you see all the crabs and the fish and in some places monkeys and the birds. It's just like
animals everywhere just having the best time. And this is why I do it, guys. This is why I'm so
passionate about this. Of course, the climate crisis affects humans, but it also really affects
all of these sentient beings. Everyone here has got a pet or you know someone who's got a pet. And we love these animals, right? But like, you know, all these other animals you see in nature are just as sentient, just able to experience the same amount of pain and pleasure or suffering or whatever kind of emotion that you and I experience or your pet dog or pet cat can experience, right?
And so when these forests are on fire, like in 2019, the forests in Australia were literally
just engulfed, one of the biggest fires in history.
I forced myself to watch those videos.
When people see messed up things, usually they look away.
Not me.
I forced myself to watch video after video after video, and it brought me
to tears. I felt horrible. The world was a messed up place. I broke down. But then, instead of
shying away, like typically I would do when I am sad, I wanted to do something about it. So I
actually just turned on the live stream on Facebook. I did a little Facebook fundraiser
back when I was using meta platforms, and we raised thousands of dollars. Of course, it didn't solve the whole thing, but it actually did
make a tangible difference on the ground. And by focusing on that tangible difference, that impact,
I felt this rush of energy, right? Like this, this passion that fuels me to do crazy things
like, you know, plant trees for 24 hours on three different
occasions until it became an official Guinness ball record. Like do a live stream for 60 hours
straight interviewing a new person almost every single hour. So we get the attention of Mr. Beast.
Now I got the ear of Beast philanthropy. And we're going to be when we do our Growlympics,
we're going to be showing that to his team so we can do something massive next year. Alpha on alpha. Not confirmed, but we're in talks. I think there's a pretty good chance that
we make it happen because of what Matthew and all these other people helped us do when we did those
60 hour plus live streams. Or when we do 24-7 live streams, right? We're live for two weeks straight,
nonstop, just as a community. Of course, that takes a team.
That takes a community, right?
And the Let's Grow Dow community does this every single quarter pretty much, right?
Like we've done seven of these, 24-7, and I'm there pretty much every waking hour, right?
How am I able to do this?
Most people would burn out after a week or after, you know, one day of 24 hours.
I did 60 hours. Guys, I was like hallucinating
by the end of it. You know, Harry Potter where the photos are moving and stuff. That was your
PFPs on my phone after going live for 60 hours straight. But I'm happy to do it. I would have
attempted the Guinness World Record 10 times if I had to. Whatever it takes, I will do it.
And with this Billiontree goal, it is within grasp. It is very possible for us to make it happen
this Thursday. But if it doesn't happen, for whatever reason, if we get 999 million,
If we get $999 million, you think I'm throwing in the towel?
Pack it up.
Maybe I'll start working at a bank or oil field.
Hell no, dude.
So long as I breathe, I will be doing this.
Okay, this is my life's work.
This is what I am set out to do.
The mission is
immovable. The path
may change
for us to get there. I have an open mind
of what it takes to make this happen, but we are
making it happen.
No matter what.
Let's freaking grow. Mr. Tree
Lover.
Habariako bravi.
Ah, Safi kaka habariyako.
Mzuri, mzuri.
So Mr. Tree Lover here, he set up his own,
is it a, you're doing a nonprofit organization,
a community-based organization?
I know you're in the process of registering something right now.
I'm in the process, but now I'm giving my support from Tfwc.
Tfwc are supporting me now.
So that I'm going to continue.
I would like to know this project on how we are going to do it.
Maybe an application can be used.
Oh, we are doing as a normal, normal as past.
Great question.
Great question.
So Mr.
Tree Lover is one of the incredible tree gens that has been following up with me consistently.
When proof of tree, when proof of tree, when can we do this app where you can wake up,
plant trees, earn tokens, get paid whenever you want.
So this is the week that we're aiming to get everything live
with the proof of tree protocol.
This is the week where hopefully our MGRO token will go live.
We've got a soft commit from Cello to bootstrap some liquidity for that.
And so thank you for your patience, brother.
I know it's, you know, but, but, you know,
the fact that you've been so consistently following up with us,
as well as a lot of other people,
everyone that I've told about this app that you can wake up,
plant trees, get paid.
It's a, it's an amazing validity to what we've been building. Honestly, it's people
like you, Mr. Tree Lover, who have been fueling me to make sure that we get this over the line,
no matter what. It's not been easy to do this without a big investment, to have the AI,
to set up the infrastructure, to handle so many videos and set that up to be a nice
interface so that people can buy.
By the way, this is a bullish thing that we've done for anyone who wants to plant any tree.
So a lot of you guys know we're tokenizing mangrove trees.
You're like, yeah, well, that's all well and good, but I'm in North Carolina or wherever
you are, right?
Mangrove trees are by the coast and by the equator, for those of you who don't know.
So if you're not by the coast,
if you're not by the equator,
and you still want to plant trees,
you will be able to do that in the proof-of-tree protocol.
That's right.
So wherever, but the caveat to that
is it's going to be retroactive rewards, okay?
So we're building a liquidity pool
with our mangrove tree token.
I'm a very big bullish mangrove maxi. However, and our AI is trained for mangroves, not for
every single tree. We have a great methodology for mangroves. That's why we're doing mangroves,
right? But for any tree, what you can do in the proof of tree protocol, you can film before and NFT, and then that NFT can be purchased with the TGN token. 95% of that purchase will go to the
planter, and 5% of that TGN reward will go to the verifier. So MGRO is just for mangroves.
When you verify that, 95% goes to the planter, 5% of the verifier for the MGROW token. But TGN is our governance.
It's our utility.
It's our social fight.
It's our growth token of how we're going to grow this movement.
It's the foundation.
And it's also the reward mechanism for whatever tree people want to plant.
So I'm in touch with the ecosystem people at base.
They can actually feature, though they can't like actively promote tokens
for securities reasons and regulation,
they can promote affordable NFTs,
like homepage on their NFT marketplace.
And so what we can do is feature those.
People can buy them.
I can also, you know,
we can reach out to all kinds of corporates
and we have a bunch of, you know,
companies we've been working with who want to support this stuff.
So that can be fixed price, right?
Fixed price, but then the amount of TGN is variable, right?
So that's fixed price and anyone can buy in with TGN.
And then what's going to happen?
95% goes to the planters, 5% to the verifiers.
I expect most of that to get sold. But it won't all get sold.
Because people have to figure out how to get it sold.
Some people might want to hold it.
They might want to use it for various things.
They might want to become verifiers and prove a tree.
They might want to get the staking rewards and ecological assets
and be an active member in the DAO and vote how we're going to spend our treasury
with impact investments, et cetera.
And so a good portion of that will be held.
And that's going to be.
Okay.
Okay.
Something.
Go ahead,
brother.
Brother,
something I want to gratify there.
I want to know if there could be a limit on the planting or given orders per day,
something like that. i want to know
limitless limitless and that's part of the reason why we're not tokenizing every single tree with
one liquidity pool because that would open up massive cell pressure on that and what i have
to do my responsibility as the founder of treeens is to balance your sell pressure with the buy pressure of the tree token of MGRO for the trees, for the mangrove trees.
enterprise such that for every app download, for every item sold, for every mile traveled on an
airplane, we're going to be able to buy and retire the MGRO tokens, for example. So that's plan A.
B2B business. And by the way, we have one of the most badass B2B lead generation sales companies
partnered with TreeGen. It's gens called many mangos my brother started
it he's he's done lead gen for sap oracle like fortune 50 companies to get them these kind of
big deals and that's what i'm going to be hustling to do this that's b2b another one is b2c right
so remember our nft visually levels up the light on the mind gets brighter as you fund trees.
How do we know you funded trees?
Well, when you buy and burn the tree token, the EmGro tree token, you send it to a burn wallet address.
You retire that.
You get the video NFT that is represented by that.
And then the NFT levels up.
So it's a bit of a flex.
It's a flex to the world.
Hey, I funded a lot of trees.
That's B2C on the blockchain.
All right?
The third line of attack, the third way that we will grow and support the value of these tree tokens,
so you can plant as many as you possibly can, my brother, is B2C to the normies.
And this we have to have further discussions with normie tech on,
but normie tech allows people to pay with credit card or even PayPal and then get easily onboarded,
right, to buy the stuff. Now, before I was running tree gens, before I had a clean water
nonprofit, I was throwing charity parties to raise funds for a variety of good things.
I was organizing festivals and I was spending two hours per day knocking on
doors, convincing people to donate every single month.
And I was one of the, not to my own home,
but I was one of the best at it.
Like I literally spent two hours per day and I did what took most people
an entire day to accomplish. And I was able to pay all my bills with that and raise a boatload
of money. I'm sure a lot of people are still donating to these causes because they're monthly
and some of them get from many, many years, right? So we're going to be building a door-to-door team
that is going to go out there and onboard people at scale to buy and retire these tree tokens.
So long-winded answer your question.
Plant as many as you possibly can.
Okay.
And we will try to expand it.
I want to ask you another question.
Go ahead.
I want to know also the duration of this project,
on how many days or months it will take for the project.
It's not a project.
I don't like this term project.
Project sounds like a short-term thing.
It's a little time.
Bro, it's till I die, right?
While I breathe, this is happening.
Yes.
Okay, and we will evolve.
We might pivot.
We might adjust.
We might grow with the flow.
But the mission remains.
We're not giving up.
This is not a little one month, two months diddly diddly project.
We keep growing, baby.
We're growing.
All right.
We got another.
It is permanent. what's up it was permanent
you have understood now this is a starting point of treatment for those of you don't
know to go up a moja to clear up aja. That means we plant together. We are together. All right, let's grow.
All right, so let's grow. Okay, I'm going to mute you, Mr. Tree Lover, because we've got another guest.
Unless, Curtis, you wanted to chime in quickly before we get to the next interview?
Yeah, yeah, I was just saying, this is what you're building. You can hear me? Good?
Yes, sir.
Okay, you're building this model for us like for i'm i'm
thinking like you know this is refi is going to be developing and stuff and i'm i'm going to be
doing my thing as well and and i live in dallas uh like the dfw mextroplex that's where i'm from
um and uh it's gonna be crazy to see what you know to, to implement the, the, you know, similar tech stack that you're using to like onboard. And,
and I'm really excited to do partnerships with tree gens later and,
and just get this going. I mean, I'm getting, you're, you're Jimmy,
you're building this for us. You've been here. We've been here. You're,
you're in, you're just,
God has put you in the right places at the
right times and and we're all gonna be integrated in one community i mean this is gonna be like
we're gonna be promoting tree gens it's gonna be like a regular thing seeing tree gens uh in and
and what i'm trying to build with this texas regions idea the project idea it's not really
there anymore because uh my facebook got banned and my Instagram got banned.
I don't know how.
I just, I don't know what was going on with that.
We'll figure it out.
Yeah, we'll figure it out.
You know, it's happening.
And so that's what I'm just excited, you know, and the alpha you just shared with us early.
Oh, you're cutting out for me.
I don't know if other people are cutting out, but I love the excitement. I love the passion. I love how you're thinking about the partnerships.
You know, this is exactly what we need, right? This is a movement. We need everyone doing what
they can so that we can make this happen. It's not a tree Jen's thing. It's not a Jimmy thing.
It's a movement thing. We need all the organizations making maximum impact
and all the individuals doing everything we possibly can
if we want to stand a chance of shifting the course of humanity
in the positive direction that we need it to grow.
All right?
And with that said, I got a legend up here on stage.
NUMA has one of the coolest NF NFT projects, the Coral Tribe, all right, which has epic designs.
They're helping coral reefs. And I'm really excited to also get into the ReFi Hub, impact investments on chain, steady yields, insurance for your funds, keeping it safe and making a massive impact while doing good i mean
this is uh while making money for yourself i mean it's good i love that these two things don't have
to be separate anymore you know it used to be one or the other do you want the yield or do you want
to do good but refi hub is making both those things happen in a beautiful way and uh i'm really
excited for what coral tribe is is growing into so So welcome, Numa. How you doing, broski? That's bro, I'm me, gross.
My heart is racing and your energy just gets me going, brother.
So good to hear you.
Thank you for inviting me today.
I've been really keen to vibe and learn more about what you've been cooking.
And yeah, sharing what I've been cooking as well.
So thank you so much.
Oh, it's a kitchen. We're cooking so much. And yeah, really excited I've been cooking as well. So thank you so much. Oh, it's a kitchen.
We're cooking so much.
And yeah, really excited to get into it.
So we have a tradition, as you know,
and that is to always, always start with why.
So how would you describe your why, good sir?
Why do you do all the amazing things that you do?
What gets you out of bed in the morning?
I love that.
What feels good at all?
I read the book, Start With Why by Simon Sinek.
I appreciate how you start all the spaces like that.
It's a good way to start.
It's a great one, man.
I think the why is something that doesn't change.
I mean, it can evolve, but there's always that motivating factor
that always stays the same.
And I think since starting Call Tribe,
my wife has always been my community, man.
Always kind of getting up every day, getting the bread for me,
but also for my community and working my ass off to make them proud.
And that's a very big motivating factor and as well for my
my co-founders man i think i've been working with my best friends for nearly four or five years and
and i work and i perform to to make them proud as well you know to keep to keep working with them
for as much as i can so that's a big why and i guess i share the why that you share as well, you know, to keep working with them for as much as I can. So that's a big why.
And I guess I share the why that you share as well,
which is to make a difference, to make something unique,
something good for the world.
So, yeah, that's why we're all here.
That's why we're all tuning in to this beautiful space, brothers.
Gosh, your wife, Jimmy.
Tell me.
Light me up.
Let's grow.
The communitry, the growmunitry.
I love to hear it, man.
And yeah, you are a living embodiment of those words,
you know, always making a difference in a really big way.
But a lot of people say this kind of cliche,
but for a good reason.
And that is, you know, an organization, a community is only as effective and capable as
the community that's behind it, right? It is the foundation. So on that note, you know, I know you've, you've built a really, a really passionate
community around Coral Tribe and Refi Hub, but what are some tips for people who are looking to
grow their communities, to nurture the communities that they already have,
and to ultimately achieve more in the, in the wonderful world of Web3?
in the wonderful world of Web3.
So the question was like just tips on growing your community
or maintaining engagement.
What's the inside of China?
Yeah, all the above.
Whatever you think would add the most value to grow, nurture,
maintain, make communities the best they possibly can be
to achieve what the org set out to do
together as a collective yeah i think you know just how you started this space asking the why
i think it's a good way to start as well when it comes to community management and community growth
it's like understanding the why people would would join your community um and you can you know you
can list all the reasons and there's around i don't know like eight to. And you can list all the reasons, and there's around eight to 10 reasons
you can probably think of as to why someone
joins the community.
And just to list a few, the key one is information.
A community member joins your Discord,
joins your Telegram to receive useful information.
That could be education about something,
but it could be project updates right
another reason could be to make friends to make connections to validate their own ideas to help
others you know so you can really start to think about why someone would join your community and
you need to build stuff that meet those reasons,
those requirements that people have.
Something I figured a lot is that when you do have a big community,
like you can't expect everyone to be engaging all the time.
You know, people come and go, people are online.
You know, it's quite dynamic when someone is online sometimes
there might be a month where they're super online the next month they're not online because of
they're traveling or because they've got work to do or etc so it's understanding that not everyone's
going to be online all the time so you just have to keep on you you have to remain online you know you have to lead that way and not
get down if you know sometimes the community isn't as active as you'd like it to be um with regards
to sort of activities and things to do with your community so me it's kind of like experimenting
all the time um something that's been working a lot lately in my community is that
I sort of create like prompts and activities for my community members to share.
So, for instance, the other day I kind of tagged everyone and said,
what skill would you like to learn in five years time?
And so you have all the community members jumping in and saying,
well, you know, I'd like to become a coder in five years,
or actually in five years time, I want to have the skill to become a better parent.
I want to have more patience with my kids, et cetera.
So you have all these people contributing what skills they want to learn.
And that, in a way, adds value to them because it adds value as a personal reflection. But it
also adds value to the people reading their comments, because
they understand, oh, everyone's talking about wanting to learn
how to code or everyone wants to learn how to, I don't know,
trade better. So maybe I should learn that. Maybe I should ask
someone, you know, it kind of encourages conversation.
I don't know, I'm getting a bit sidetracked,
but yeah, I think the key point,
what I was saying is when it comes to activities,
it's all about throwing all ideas at the wall
and seeing what sticks.
I don't know if you have any insight there as well, Jimmy,
on building community or managing community.
Yeah, no, that makes sense to constantly be experimenting and seeing how people can support one another.
I think that's a really cool core value in a world about giving without expectation and people supporting one another.
We're all about giving without expectation and people supporting one another.
Because, yeah, there are various ways that an organization can help their community to thrive.
But ultimately, it's the individual supporting one another that can even add the most value.
And so how do you create that culture and how do you support that or recognize that, encourage that to happen in a bigger way?
encourage that to happen in a bigger way.
You know, it's great that we can all convene on things like X spaces and different containers
you can set up on Telegram or Discord.
But, you know, nothing quite beats IRL, you know.
So by coming to like satellite of, you know, doing a satellite event near other events
or having like a meetup where people can actually meet IRL, like spaces are a great way for
us to all connect initially,
like open the door and get to know one another.
But then like,
once you then meet IRL,
it's like a family reunion,
you know,
hug it out and just like take that connection to a whole new level.
And so trying to do stuff IRL is,
is really key.
And so,
you know,
once tree gens is fully operational up and running,
everything working super well and we're crushing it.
Another thing that we have in our roadmap is the Regenissance Festival.
This is something that we want to collaborate with a lot of different groups.
There's been a Let's Grow DAO initiative that TreeGens wants to support, and I hope many other organizations come together.
Because, you know, as I was kind of alluding to before, that, you know, one
organization is not going to solve a climate crisis, right?
Ain't going to happen.
And for us to live in a regenerative future, right, we need social enterprise to become
the thing.
Like, pretty much everything around us has a negative impact, whether if it's the metal
that got to be mined out, you know, from your computer or the plastic that had to be drilled with the oil and everything around you.
It has a negative impact.
But there's a new breed of businesses like the Coral Tribe out there, which are social enterprise.
They are net good for the world.
the world. And this has to become a thing, right? Just like how Shark Tank and Dragon's Den inspired
And this has to become a thing, right?
all these entrepreneurs to come out and be entrepreneurs, we need a similar type of thing
to inspire the social entrepreneurs to go out and build in a positively impactful yet profitable way
because that is really scalable and sustainable and can really grow. And unfortunately,
seeing a lot more of it, it's great to see, but that needs to be accelerated. And so at COP30,
this is something we can announce. We partnered up with the Impact Launchpad. Anyone who can make
it to COP30, IRL, we're going to have a really professional film crew. We're going to have a setup. We're going to have a lineup of impact
investors. And if you have a social enterprise, you can pitch the impact investors live. And we're
going to pitch this to massive networks like Netflix or Amazon to really put a spotlight
on the social entrepreneurs. And then that's called, initially it was called Funding the Regennaissance.
We did a pilot of this at ETC
a year before this one.
But we're going to do it
in a much bigger way,
in a very professional way,
just like Shark Tank,
except for social enterprise.
But then the Regennaissance Festival
is going to be like
a transformative experience,
you know, because to a huge extent,
all we are as humans
is an accumulation of experiences. So by providing a transformative experience for people where they
can come out of it, you know, with a new state of mind or mindset or outlook on what is actually
possible for themselves, or maybe they're more in tune with their inner purpose and meaning and
calling in this world, then we can also catalyze that, you know, because we're going to reach a
point, man, and I think this is definitely in our lifetimes, maybe in the next few years,
where we can just speak technology into existence, speak innovations into existence with ASI,
artificial super intelligence. And so when that day comes, it's very important when we become
creative machines that social enterprise is the meta.
So it's a big tangent to your question, but IRL is the key.
Regenestance, let's grow.
I agree, man.
I think like the IRL aspect of an event, you know, just by being with someone 20 minutes, 30 minutes, you know, chatting, the instant sort of friendship that you can that you can
create in that moment that in such a short space of time you know whereas online it kind of takes
it takes weeks it takes months you know to sort of build that trust to be able to you know have
someone in your network but irl instant instant trust? So, yeah, let's do more of that, man.
Big ups to you with the, what do you call it, the regenissance.
Regenissance.
I love that.
Yeah, man.
You guys already started one, like, I think a few years back in Thailand.
Was that you guys kind of already piloted it?
Yeah, we got the wheels moving in Thailand.
Yeah, it was very ambitious.
You know, me, I'm not the least ambitious guy in the room, right?
I went on day one.
I'm like, let's do a multi-day camping festival.
But like, yo, I need to get tree gens up.
Like, this is more than a full-time job to make that happen.
So we did a pilot.
We ended up doing a pilot at ECC.
We did a Regennaissance party, which is a satellite event.
And then we did funding the Regennaissance around the impact investment thing.
But like I said, this is on the roadmap for us, right?
I got to get Tregen fully up and running, crushing it.
And then in our roadmap is the Regennaissance festival.
It will be a multi-day camping festival, very likely in Thailand.
We have the great
relationships with people there to make it happen but um but we need uh we need everything kind of
like foundations laid before just like how you build coral tribes first then you move to refi
hub you know i gotta be i gotta focus first and then we're gonna go to regenaissance
a number one thing in a business and startup is focus you can't you can't do everything at once so
yeah step by step and uh and it will all unfold for you you know if you build the foundations right
the roadmap will come but yeah bro congrats i'm here i'm here to support the coral tribe
the refile community it's a lot of refi we're here to support bro um so do do keep us in there
how that unfolds the next um cop 30 where is that it's in colombia cop 30 is in brazil yeah
right by the amazon rainforest it's going to be incredible beautiful location um cop 29 was
nothing short of life-changing i will try to make it to every single cop from here
on out because uh yeah you can just talk to environment ministers and you know like i knocked
on everyone's door and i'm just like let's grow let's do a billion trees and we got like eight
countries and then like the date changed multiple times ethiopia's you know adjusted it but um but
we got we had all these people together man like you want to grow a movement go to cop because you can you can start you know at the government level that can reach
tens of millions of people and bring people together and uh and all the right people are
there impact investors are there you know all the different uh groups that are buying credits and
making impact investments they're there like in terms of refi hub okay let's let's break down
refi hub for those who aren't super familiar
um what is refi hub and then we can get into the the nitty-gritty of uh of what's what's cooking
over there so so how does it work if people want to you know do an impact investment with refi hub
sure bro um so yeah the way i define a refi hub is simply we allow everyday people to own infrastructure that generates some monthly profit.
That's an ideal scenario.
We've had three projects that are currently live.
One of them is paying monthly profit to the investors.
Yeah, man, we love to finance infrastructure that can consistently generate yield.
You can think about it as financing these
machines that print your money. But the size of printing money, they're also good to the world.
They also remove pollution. They empower businesses. They empower families. So that's
kind of the mission behind RefaHub is to make climate action profitable. And we sort of, yeah,
RefaHub is to make climate action profitable. And we sort of, yeah, we try to embrace clean energy
right now since it's very easy to understand. You know, it's not complicated. You finance the
infrastructure, that infrastructure generates power through the sunlight, and that makes you
money, you know. So it's very simple, very easy. And we're just kind of doubling down on that.
But we don't want to be doing only clean energy infrastructure.
I think it's quite exciting right now.
But, you know, we're always looking to expand.
We're trying to focus first in one specific area.
We've been focusing specifically in Brazil within clean energy.
But eventually, man, I aspire to become sort of a kind of app, you know, where you can invest in all sorts of businesses,
whether it's you're investing in equity of a small project that you're passionate about,
of a small project that you're passionate about
or you're investing in sustainable Bitcoin mining project
or a fashion brand that uses plastic to make sunglasses.
I don't know.
Eventually it could be everything.
But like we were speaking about,
first you gotta focus.
And that's kind of the plan right now.
But yeah, so we've been financing solar panels in brazil
we've been financing uh ev charging infrastructure networks that was also in brazil we've got another
very exciting ev project coming very soon it's been a bit of a bit of back and forth with the
project um which has been going on for like six weeks.
I say this back and forth, which is a bit annoying.
But yeah, man, that's kind of the summary of what we do.
We finance infrastructure that make people money and that is good for the world.
I freaking love that, man.
And you guys have kind of de-risked this for folks, right?
There's not like guaranteeing the yield necessarily i think there's a
great chance it sounds like the yield is working out which is fantastic but in terms of the
principle the amounts that people invest with this that's insured how does the insurance work on that
yeah yeah it's insured and actually there is some in some cases it's a project by project basis um yield is is guaranteed um so that's for instance
the last ev infrastructure project that was like expected 40 yield in the first year once it's
constructed um and it is guaranteed it's financed by the company if they if they can't if that
infrastructure can't meet that that yield that year that they they cover it
so you know sometimes it is guaranteed um but yeah i mean one of one of the biggest issues
that we have as a platform is the fact that when when you purchase let's say you invest in an
infrastructure project on refi hub that unfortunately that money is locked into that asset. So for instance,
in a solar panel, a solar panel has a lifetime of like 15 to 25 years. And right now, if
you're in Reefahub, that $1,000 into this infrastructure project that generates on average 13% yield
yearly, that unfortunately that money, that $1,000 is locked in for the next
25 years but that means you're going to get 13% yield every year so 25 years so if you do the
math it is quite quite impressive um what you end up getting one thing we're doing to fix this sort
of pain point that our users have which is that the money
gets locked in for such a long time we're building investment pools so the idea is that instead of
you investing in one particular infrastructure project you're investing in a basket of 50
right um and those infrastructure projects are diversified in
in different regions so you could have some in brazil you could have some in colombia you could
have some in india you know so you're you're getting sunlight from all angles of the earth you
know um and in that way with investment pools with the power of defy you're going to be users going
to be able to withdraw the funds whenever similar to any sort of DeFi lending pool investment so that's uh that's
next on the roadmap that's the biggest thing we're working on now to make our user experience next
level um and a little dream that I have a big dream is to make these investment pools available to Web2 users.
So I imagine my mum and my grandma investing in this investment pool simply through Apple Pay. my absolute dream to completely abstract the blockchain aspect and make it make the mission
the mission real like climate action accessible to all i mean because right now it's only accessible
to to work for use um but it is what it is you got to start somewhere right
you got to start somewhere and there's some cool people making waves in this there's normie.tech
they're they're helping folks with this um you know i don't know if it's apple pay i think it's
like credit card and paypal i think apple pay is like a bit more like regulated in terms of how
they i don't know but that's amazing man if you crack the code with apple pay let a brother know
pardon me uh let a brother know how that grows down because, yeah, that's the dream, right?
Just tap, tap on your phone and you can make an impact investments on chain, man.
That's next level.
Yeah, and you can use it as a savings.
Instead of putting your money in the bank, you're putting it into this investment pool that is generating yield from the sunlight.
from uh from the sunlight you know i mean you're not uh generating yield from the banks lending
You know what I mean?
your money to other banks and other people and all this opaque shit that the banks do man you
know when you put money in a bank you don't even know whether that money is financing could be
financing coca-cola and all the pollution that they do you know what i mean so yeah it's about saving wisely getting an even better deal on your savings and actually
you know getting transparent yields that come from the real world
love it uh by the way um on my side the audio is cutting a little bit uh curtis extraordinary
matthew are you guys hearing
cold tribe very clearly it's probably just me it was happening with a previous speaker as well but
matthew said it was fine yeah i can hear i can hear him fine you can hear him fine all right it's
just me no worries i get the gist i got it so so for the next uh the next you said you got an
upcoming opportunity happening another new project is that one gonna have any guarantees in place
what's that gonna look like i can't share
any details on that one because i i last time i showed uh shared details i got told off by all
my teammates so um now it's it's it is it's gonna be an interesting one i don't want to confirm i
don't want to say anything basically because it's just kind of keeping expect managing expectations
you know i don't want to get people too excited for something that might just fall through.
But it is an infrastructure project.
When users invest in it, they're basically investing in the revenue that infrastructure makes.
And it is an EV infrastructure network, which is quite hot right now.
People tend to love it.
Our last one, our last EV infrastructure network
sold out in two hours.
You can believe it.
But yeah, it should be out next week.
Hopefully, man.
Hopefully.
I've got all the campaigns coming up.
Everything is prepped,
but it's just waiting to pull the trigger.
All right.
Exciting stuff.
Let the community know the alpha.
I'll,
I'll let some peeps know as well.
Yeah.
I want to know some,
some alpha from you brother.
Cause I invited my community today to come,
to also come tune in to you.
So first day is a big day.
Oh, amazing.
I had, I had, uh, thank you, brother.
Yes.
Uh, yeah.
I mean, we've, uh, we've got a lot of things going on.
I mean, this, uh, this massive tree planting day is happening Thursday.
There's going to be at least 700 million.
We're pushing for a billion trees to be planted here in ethiopia with the growlympics
um our pre-sale is currently live Thank you. Thanks. Yo, yo. yo yo
can't hear you bro
oh I'm muted my bad
you guys can hear me now right
I can hear you now
plus you get two NFTs
one is the dynamic NFT
the base character
and everything that levels up
plus there's a .tgn wallet address you're going to get for free, which AI agents can
send funds around and to.
And so that's two free NFTs if you put in 200 buckaruchis.
Super easy to do.
You just open up your wallet, type in TGN.eth, send whatever you got if it's on an EVM chain,
and then we'll bridge it for you and get you those digital assets.
You're getting into the ground level. TGN is in a pre-sale right now. It's a fixed price
and that's before we make history by getting a billion trees planted. It's before we have
these real world assets backing the liquidity of these tokens, before all these things go live.
So you're really getting in at the ground level. And yeah, if you are a member of the Coal Tribe, just like do a group chat. We
have like a referral thing that's built into our launchpad. But currently, it's just kind of manual
to say you're with Coal Tribe or someone refers you, but we can try to incentivize that as well.
As a community, we are growing and we're rewarding everyone for growing the movement.
So if you're putting in the work, if you're posting about TGN or TreeGens, we're going
to be launching a social five platform soon that streams every single second to people.
That is in the works.
It's not easy to build.
It's going to take a little bit of time.
It's not an instant thing overnight, but we have a really cool team that is working
on that as well to help grow the movement. And then, yeah, like I said, we've got all
these different ways that we're supporting people. We're going to be running our own
QF rounds, quadratic funding rounds, using the TGN token. So if you're helping in whatever
way, you can just write your own grant page there and get supported in a big way.
So go ahead.
You're composing the token into other DeFi sort of mechanisms.
Is that the plan?
For me, sorry, say that one more time. I'm going to hear from the other device so it's clearer. Go ahead.
You're going to use the token to kind of get it composed in other platforms, other quadratic
funding platforms. Can you hear me? My bad. Sorry, i didn't realize i was unmuted here
yep um other platforms if i got the just the kind of thing i'm sorry i didn't
fully get it i didn't want to get it um but let me
take a stab at it let me know if i'm taking going the complete wrong
direction um so yeah so we
so I'm going the complete wrong direction. So, yeah. So, we...
Sorry, I muted again.
Our plan as a DAO is to be one of the biggest players in the carbon credit space. So, we're going to be planting mangrove trees, selling the future value of those carbon credits or biodiversity credits, ecological assets, as forwards, right?
Before they actually become credits.
You can sell them as forwards at a discount.
But even at a discount,
it's still a multiple of what it costs
to plant the trees in the first place,
which means we can multiply the trees,
sell it forward again, multiply again,
sell it forward again,
repeating this process to scale exponentially.
And then we will take a portion of those RWAs
to back the tree tokens, to back TGN.
And this is how we're injecting RWA's to support
these tokens directly. And as a member of TGN is also a governance token, so you'll be able to vote
in the DAO. And you know what, I'm going to start talking from tree tokens. Hold on one sec.
You're speaking, Akon.
Okay, I'm back here.
Maybe I was bugging on the other one as well.
Okay.
Sorry, guys.
I think this is my Ethiopian Wi-Fi cutting a little bit.
But that's kind of the refi RWA mechanism.
In terms of DeFi, so like if you're staking TGN,
you're not just going to earn more TGN as you typically would when you stake a token.
You will also be earning ecological credits by becoming a verifier in the proof of tree protocol.
So the way that this works, super easy in the proof of tree DAP, all you got to do is take four boxes, make sure the planters follow the right methodology, right? Then 95% of the ecological
credits that get minted on chain as a result of the verification, go to the planters, and then 5% go to the verifiers,
right? So you're earning multiple tokens just by staking TGN and taking a few boxes. If you don't
have time, take a few boxes. It literally takes a few minutes, but you can also delegate that to
others so that they're putting in the work and you're sharing the rewards. All this functionality
is built into the proof of tree protocol. So that's, I guess, the DeFi part is the staking, the rewards, but it's built into proof of tree. Did that's I guess the defy part is a
staking the rewards but it's built into proof of tree did I answer your question
would I go totally into it no perfect exciting time man it's a big thing I
call the trap at all can you hear me now but I think we got it based on the
hearts so I think we get I think we got it more or less okay
garoclet has been very patient with your hand. Go ahead, Grocklet.
Hey, hey. What's up?
How you doing?
Grocklet, you're still muted. Am I bugging?
I think you're bugging, bro.
I should be there.
I should be there.
Can you hear me, Grocklet?
Yeah, I hear Coral.
You had any questions?
Can Jimmy hear me now?
Doesn't seem like it.
Can you hear him, Jimmy?
Can you hear Grocklet?
Yeah.
On Tree Gen, maybe, yeah.
Cool.
So, yeah, I was just going to...
I have to hop off in a sec we have a
i can't step outside
okay on wi-fi
okay should be good now
check check okay sorry about that um but yeah i was just i wanted to mention
about the festival thing i mean we had talked about working together in general but there's
just more and more parallels um because i do farming i could hear you on the other device but
now we lost that too okay guys thumbs up if you hear groklet thumbs down
if no check check good to go all right it's thumbs up oh sweet okay i think we're good now
okay go ahead sorry i went off and on wi-fi too um i was just saying i've uh hosted a like a
camping uh music festival before so if you want help with that part,
and it was at my farm.
It was at my farm.
So very nature-focused and whatnot.
Can definitely help with that or collab with you guys.
Awesome, bro. Appreciate
the suggestion.
And yes, we love
a nice party and a fun.
Yep. Coral, everything you said, too,
sounds really interesting.
Just in general,
and Grock was trying to do some
tree planting and
environmental action stuff.
But it's also something that I'm interested in personally.
So keep following you guys.
Awesome, man.
Appreciate the positivity.
Yeah, it's a pleasure to meet you.
Come join us.
Sure thing.
Will do.
Yeah, I'll talk to you guys soon.
Jimmy, you good?
How's your speaker?
Let's grow!
Let's grow.
I'll just let him know I'm done.
He might think I'm still speaking.
Sorry, I've got a huge delay because I can only listen on Tree Gens,
which is now a listener.
So big delay.
Apologies if I'm speaking over anybody.
I'm going to try to quit.
A little bit buggy with the questionable Wi-Fi,
but we will sort this out, okay?
So give us one second.
Be back groementarily.
And here we go.
We're coming back from the tree gens.
Yep.
Is the tree gens still up here?
You guys seeing this?
Hmm, very strange.
Very buggy today.
We have a whole new breed of bugs infiltrating our spaces.
Hmm.
Okay.
So TreeGen's now a listener, though it says speaker over here.
Thank you for bearing with us.
Appreciate your patience.
Currently, I'm only getting one directional audio.
I don't speak, directional audio. I cannot
hear. Okay, until we come back with the three gents. Here we grow. One more time. No, it's
bugging again where it says I'm speaker. Oof. Well, okay, one last time let's try here we grow
tree gents from the speaker okay coming back
but i being okay i see tree gents has returned
let's see speaker request failed sending invites
and nothing failed.
Yikes.
Okay, just give me one sec while I pull this up.
I'm going to share some alfalfa for you.
So if you missed it before,
anyone, no matter which tree you want to plant,
you will be able to participate in our Billion Tree Initiative,
our grow-alition, our attempt to try to participate in our billion tree initiative, our grow elition,
our attempt to try to get a billion trees planted in a day.
And no matter what day it is, you will be able to plant trees and verify them in our proof of tree DAP, even if it's not a mangrove tree.
So we are tokenizing mangrove trees, but all other trees can still become NFTs, which you
can then be retroactively rewarded for as it then gets to be sold within our nice UI UX.
So this will be creating a nice buy pressure on the TGN token.
Sorry, as people buy those NFTs using the TGN token,
it is effectively creating a buy pressure on it.
Happy days.
You know what?
I've got Blue Sphere on this account.
Let me see if I can. No. Okay. Yep. Happy days. You know what? I'm only got Bluesphere on this account. Let me see if I can.
Okay.
Yep.
All right.
We're going to come up from another profile on another browser and see if that fixes it.
Okay.
But, Numa, I'm super grateful for your support with the Coral Tribe and everything you're doing.
I'm super bullish on everything that you've got cooking as well. And yeah, do let us know about future refi hub opportunities and let's grow.
This is such a cool platform to be able to do both of those things.
Okay, I'm going to try to come up from another profile.
Still bugging.
Okay.
Sorry, we may have to rain check
this Numa I would love to do another thing with you if you're comfortable
coming on video we can do that as well space is a little bit buggy with all of
the you know connections I probably should have been on my like just regular
signal but I'm on the Wi-Fi which I think is cut out creating a bug we've
tried pretty much all the fixes oh wait oh we're in a different account whoops there we grow so yeah we might have to rug this basis
I'm sorry I love you all I don't know how to make this face I'll see you next
time
