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Meet the Artists. 1
Recorded: March 27, 2023 Duration: 1:48:51Space Recording
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I'm inviting all the homies up here.
If you don't, if you can't speak, no worries.
If you can, dude, I'd love to have you.
BlueStacks is exploding, is absolutely exploding as usual.
I think it's because I finally updated my BlueStacks and I'm on the latest version of Android.
And as you know, Android likes to not be friendly for anybody involved, especially when it comes to Twitter.
So it is what it is, I guess.
But thank you guys for being here.
This is episode one of Meet the Artists.
We got some great people up here.
I've had some conversations with before.
Love to see you guys.
Thank you for being here.
And I hope to have an absolutely fantastic conversation.
Sorry, I just popped my hip.
Anyways, this is a Twitter space, guys.
So if we could really quickly drop a quick comment, like, and retweet on the space, that would be absolutely fantastic.
So we can hopefully get some more people in here to chit chat about everything art and what they have going on.
But we did bring my brother up here, Jericho.
Jericho, dude, how has your day been, my man?
Oh, Jericho, are you there, my man?
Give me a second.
I'm driving.
Okay, no worries, brother.
And then no face, the Blue Pikachu, my man.
Dude, how are you doing, brother?
Yo, what up?
How are you?
I'm good.
I'm good here.
How are you doing, Sos?
Dude, I'm making it happen.
Dude, life is good.
I'm feeling invigorated for once.
Typically, at this part of the day, you know, I feel like I'm about to explode.
But it is what it is.
I drink some coffee.
Not coffee.
Drink some water.
I eat some soup.
And I'm just, dude, I'm vibing, making it happen.
And life is good right now.
Glad to have you, no face.
Glad to have you on stage.
And AC, it's been a while.
I'm glad to have you on stage.
How are things going for you?
Yeah, it's been a little bit.
Everything's going good.
Just got off of work about an hour and a half ago.
So I'm setting in for, you know, doing my catching up on my discords.
And I've got some stuff planned that I need to get in place for this week for ICON.
So I'm looking forward to that.
So I'm glad that I had time to join your space.
I was looking forward to it.
I made a mental note.
And I think I wrote it down somewhere, too, to be able to join your space tonight.
Dude, let's go.
Absolutely glad to have you.
I think we're about to cook up on this meet.
Oh, dude, my Twitter's bugging.
But, dude, I think we're about to cook up on this meet.
The artist's going to be an absolute blast.
I got some questions in mind that I want to bounce around for all the homies.
But, guys, if we could, just really quickly, we did just get a few more people in here.
Drop a quick comment, like, and retweet on the space.
That'd be absolutely fantastic.
So we can hopefully get some more people in here to learn more about what's going on in Solana.
And get some more attention on our artist friends.
Sorry, I'm sending out a DM in some of my group chats.
But, guys, thanks for being here.
It's been quite the day.
I flipped through my timeline.
I mean, there's been a lot of news happening when it comes to art.
But I'm not really trying to talk about form function for the 36th, 7th, 8th time.
So let's avoid the form function topic in particular.
But, yeah, guys, dude, I think it's going to be a lot of fun.
Just finished sending everything out.
So now you have my full attention.
And one question I have for you guys in particular.
No face in particular, if you don't mind me picking your brain a little bit.
So I'm kind of looking around at all the artists on my timeline, people I follow, and everything they're talking about.
And I've been seeing a lot more mental health stuff come up recently, which I love to see.
A lot of my homies are posting some stuff about overcoming imposter syndrome, understanding where they stand.
I just lost my internet real quick while I was walking out.
Are you good now, brother?
Yeah, yeah, I can hear you now.
Oh, bad, bad, bad.
So I was just giving context for my question.
But no face, the question I have for you in particular is, you know, what are the small things throughout your day that really make your life better?
Oh, that's a good question.
Um, okay, well, from the, that's a great question.
Actually, from the perspective of an artist, right, like, you know, our days are really fucked, right?
But what makes it better for me is balance, um, creating a habit.
But, um, once I'm out of my routine, that's when all shit breaks loose, all hell breaks loose.
Especially, you know, a lot of artists probably here could relate to that type of, uh, sediment.
Uh, but, uh, yeah, just having that balance and, and, and really trying to better myself every day and internal dialogue, talking to yourself, like, is not creepy, it's not weird.
But, like, really just, like, you know, looking at yourself and being like, oh, what am I, what am I supposed to be doing today?
Like, what are the goals today?
I got to finish this piece.
I got to work on this piece.
I got to save time for family and friends.
So, you know, like, not stressing yourself out over having, you know, all these things to do, but instead tackling, uh, each thing one by one.
And I find doing the things you don't like the most in the morning, like, the first thing you do when you wake up, you do all the things you don't want to do, your day becomes way, way more free, way more chill.
And, you know, the procrastination and anxiety goes away.
Um, so that's, yeah, that's kind of a little bit about my, what I do day to day.
But does that answer your question?
Yeah, dude, absolutely.
And I think it is a little bit about that routine, right?
If you can get that figured out, you can get that nailed down, and you can accommodate for who you are as a person, you know, that's all that matters.
And routine doesn't mean, you know, waking up and making your bed every day and doing your laundry and staying on top of everything.
It's more of just keeping yourself in check, you know?
What makes sense for you, right?
Is waking up, are your mornings at 1 p.m. or are your mornings at 5 a.m., right?
And understanding that and where you are as a person.
But, Jericho, did you have something you wanted to add?
I was going to say, um, how loud is the car?
Is it loud or not loud?
No, you're good.
You're a little bit quiet yourself, but, I mean, you can't control that too much.
Okay.
Yeah, you're good, though.
You're good, bro.
Can I just stay idle?
Because I don't want to, like, unmute and mute, you know what I mean?
Or no.
No, you're not going to be able to do that, my brother, unfortunately.
No, I don't want to chime in, though.
But, yeah, go ahead.
No, you're good, bro.
But, yeah, man, when it comes to that figuring out that routine and those small things, for me, I don't know what it is.
But I got these four water bottles that sit in the corner of my desk.
And if they aren't full of water, I lose my mind.
I don't know what it is.
Maybe it's the inner, you know, person within me trying to keep myself healthy.
If I don't have these water bottles, I lose all sense of self-preservation, all sense of understanding of the real world.
I've got to stay hydrated out here.
But, AC, you know, I'm about to throw this over to you in a second.
But I really do think these small things that we do, right, or maybe the small things on our desks or the apps we have on our phone or things along those lines really can make all the difference.
And, AC, I'll ask you the same question.
You know, what small things make all the difference for you?
That's kind of a really interesting question.
The small things tend to be ones that we overlook, right, the ones that we don't think matter, but they can be a pivot for our day.
And I think, for me, it's making sure that I drink enough water.
I know you were talking about your water bottles, but for me, it's that mental thought to intake that because it's not just about the action itself or, you know, keeping hydrated.
It's that mental awareness of taking care of myself.
So it's kind of that thought process, I believe, that is a pivotal point for me in my day.
Yeah, you know, the self-preservation, homeostasis, as they say, you know, taking a term out of my ninth grade biology class.
But if we're not making it happen, you know, things are going to go south real, real quick.
But, Jericho, did you have something you want to say?
Yeah, I think especially, like, with artists, you know, the saying is, like, 1% every day.
I don't actually know the saying, but 1% is better every day.
It's better than, like, huge leaps and bounds, right?
And we see this with artists across the entire space, especially, you know, our conversation with Denno on making time.
I mean, Denno talked about how he gradually improved his pixel artwork in the course of a year and really honed his craft over that time.
So, you know, I feel like with artists, the artists who make it, they have a really great ability to hone their craft and just, like, seek to improve every single day.
Whether that be, like, you know, 1% or half a percent or simply drinking water, right?
Whatever it may be, yeah, I feel like artists are, like, the kings of just, you know, improvement and then the gradual improvement, right?
Yeah, and that becomes a question of, like, consistency and getting out of your comfort zone and designing systems that allow you to continue performing your craft, right?
For me, it's hosting spaces, right?
And this is why every day I host at least one space with making time and at times multiple, right?
There's some days we host three spaces, some days we host one, and, you know, at least every time I'm doing that, I'm learning and I'm iterating and I'm putting that time in.
So, over time, they'll compound to be that 1% each day, right?
Which I think is, you know, super important for anyone trying to perform any craft, you know, whatever that might be.
But we did just bring up one Cuban, a friend of mine.
Cuban, how has your day been, my man?
Oh, man, my day has been great, honestly.
A lot of good things happening lately, so I'm, you know, just highly motivated lately.
I don't know.
I feel like I used to be in this little hole of, like, not necessarily not believing on myself, but I don't know.
I just, again, I just feel very motivated lately.
Good things happening.
I'm very excited.
I'm happy to be here.
So, hello, everybody.
Yeah, absolutely.
And it's a pleasure to have you.
And you mentioned you're feeling motivated, you're feeling excited.
Is there anything in particular you're excited for that's coming up soon?
Yes, actually.
I'm going to start hosting spaces with two friends of mine, photographers.
It's going to be, hopefully, a weekly thing on Thursdays.
I'm super excited with that.
It's going to be basically with the Alien Friends team, this PFP that I'm using.
That was my first project that I invested on when I joined the space in December of 21.
And, you know, I've just been very consistent with them.
They asked me if I wanted to start hosting spaces.
So, I'm excited, man.
Like I said, you know, just a good thing happening.
Yeah, and it's awesome to see you get out of your comfort zone and start hosting these spaces.
And I think one thing that's awesome about Web3 is how quickly you can make friends.
You kind of have to, you know, get out there a little bit, maybe at the VIP or two or get into a boutique collection or whatever.
But you can find them quite easy.
And whenever you have those, they really push you to, you know, get out of your comfort zone and do things you never thought you might do.
Right?
And you're doing a Twitter space, which is awesome.
My friends have encouraged me to do these and get involved in other ways.
I never really thought possible.
And I'll credit to Jericho and Bonzo for making that happen.
But, you know, that's just what it is sometimes.
And I think it's going to be super awesome to see where you take that.
But Jericho, did you want to add something?
I'm glad that you're understanding, like, my signs of unmuting and muting is my way to want to talk.
But, yeah, so you see this in the art space in particular.
It's basically unrivaled, like, collaboration and networking and communication.
I mean, like, I've been following many, many artists since, you know, I came into this space.
I mean, art is a big thing that I am, you know, that's where my bags are, right?
It's all art, right?
And you see people like DJF Poets collaborating with basically anybody under the sun.
They're doing art pieces together.
Or Snacker or Marcolino, even Seno and all these other people.
And those are the big guys, right?
But, you know, even the smaller guys are able to hit these collabs.
And also being these art group chats where they are immediately connected to the most veteran and most networked artists.
So, like, that is a crazy thing in this space.
And I feel like, you know, it's a really unique culture of collaboration that furthers the people's drive to be consistent, to always produce, to always improve.
And that's what makes Havana in particular a really powerful scene for artists.
Like, I've never seen anything like it.
So, yeah, it's a crazy experience to even, like, watch, right?
But, yeah, this is exactly why we're hosting this space, you know, to highlight more artists and then share their stories and stuff like that.
Yeah, go ahead, no face.
Oh, thanks, dude.
You're on top of that.
I'm Mike.
I'm you.
No, Jericho, I was going to ask you, man.
Like, do you mind perhaps inviting me to some of those group chats?
Because that's one thing I lack that I'm not in enough art group chats.
Yeah, of course.
Of course, man.
Yeah, right after this.
Cool, cool.
So, I just shot you a follow, Jericho.
Let's connect in the DMs or whatever afterwards.
I'd love to pick your brain.
Seems like you have a...
Yeah, straight up.
Seems like you have a great understanding of the one-on-one scene.
And you're the type of person I like to be around, you know.
Like, I like like-minded people like myself.
And, you know, we have a great community here, too.
So, it's like we've got to hone in, double down, and keep what we've got going here.
Even though that, you know, the ecosystem has been kind of crazy lately.
Like, even with, like, D-Gods and the Utes leaving and stuff like that, I think a lot of artists are kind of like, especially with form function closing, like, what's the next step for artists?
And, you know, I think there's a lot of, sorry to, you know, tangent off, but I think there's still a lot of potential for Solana and the art on Solana.
And I don't think any of those factors, you know, should negatively reflect what we got going here.
Because we've built, we've been building this for a couple of years now, two, two and a half years now.
And we got something truly special, man.
Like, I don't know.
I'm cross-chain.
I'm on every fucking chain you can imagine.
And, you know, like, being on Ethereum, that was the first chain that I was on for art.
I realized, like, you know, they're missing a lot of things.
And Solana actually filled in a lot of those gaps that I was concerned about.
But, and so now, you know, like, to digress, we're becoming a little bit more chain agnostic and cross-chain and all of that.
And that's great.
I really encourage any artists to do that.
But we have formulated such a strong community here.
And it's just not the same as Ethereum.
And it's not the same as Tezos.
Every place has kind of, like, their own feel.
And I think we got something special here.
So, yeah, I digress.
Yeah, absolutely.
And I can't speak too much for the other chains.
I did dabble a little bit.
Oh, we did lose one Cuban.
Let me bring it back up.
But I did dabble a little bit in some of the other chains, namely Tezos.
I think I almost bought.
I was so close to purchasing a Tezos piece.
And I didn't.
I ended up not doing that.
But there's some cool artists from there that I've had since moved to Sol.
Especially a lot of generative stuff.
I think, what's it called?
Man, what's that marketplace called?
Object?
No, it's not Object.
It's, um...
Man.
You're talking about...
Fuck.
They died, right?
It's Object now.
The one for the generative...
Wait, what is it?
The one for the generative.
It's Flash FX, something like that.
Yeah, something like that.
That place was bumping, though, dude.
They got some really cool stuff.
We're starting to see a lot more generative artists, which I think is pretty unique.
Well, not unique, but interesting.
Because I think that's one of the cool things about, you know, doing digital stuff.
But yeah, for sure.
But we did just bring up Plumpa, my brother.
Dude, Plumpa, how has your day been, my man?
Oh, it's glorious.
Working out some wallet adapters for Soul Flare.
Pushed an update.
And I'm excited to be here, Sock.
I'm excited for what's happening.
And also, Tezos has amazing artists.
Yeah, dude.
Yeah, there's some really cool guys.
I don't know if you guys know, Mikasa.
I think it's Mech or Michael Mikasa.
I'm a big Pixlr guy.
If you look through my collection, dude, I got mad Pixlr.
I got like nine Xenoverse's, bro.
I'm stacking that stuff for sure, bro.
So it's super awesome to see that stuff happen and make that happen.
And it's also super cool to see artists, you know, diversify their blockchain, right?
Not just go bet on one person or one community.
They go pretty wide.
And I think it's important to do that as anyone, really.
But even more so as artists, right?
To tap into those other communities and be a little bit more involved in what's going on.
And we did just lose my brother, Legendary.
I didn't bring him up.
But that's, oh, he's bouncing around making it happen.
But it is what it is.
But yeah, you know, NoFace, I do want to bring this back over to you.
You mentioned something that, you know, you're working on, you said you're on every chain
imaginable, right?
But you also mentioned that you'd love to be tapped into more group chats and connect with
more people.
So a question I have for you is, do you think it's to your disadvantage to go so wide across
the blockchains or what are your thoughts there?
Yeah, I do actually think it's disadvantage.
It depends on how you do it, right?
Like I'm on every chain, right?
I have a NoFace account on every chain.
But I don't post my art on every chain because first off, like, you know, Tezos.
Well, I mean, Tezos, the people are there, but like Aptos and Mir and all that stuff.
The people just aren't there yet.
But one thing I do encourage is get your names on every platform because we don't know what
the future holds in store for us, especially with the cross-chain future.
And, you know, we're experiencing that in real time with the Uds and the D-Gods.
So that's a certain possibility.
But when it comes to posting your work on every platform, be very careful how you do it because
more doesn't equally, it doesn't necessarily mean you're going to have more sales.
It might just be you're watering down your product, your art, and you're spreading your
eggs too thin.
And so with that being said, how you do it and your approach is everything.
So for myself, like, early on, I was on Ethereum.
I minted a piece on Foundation, and I kind of just showcased the piece for over a year,
about a year or so.
I didn't sell it.
I wasn't for sale.
I got offers.
I said no.
I just wanted to learn the ecosystem and see where I fit into the ecosystem because it was
so, so confusing at that stage.
It was very early.
This was before Exchange existed.
This was before Solana already existed.
So it was basically me trying to learn the ecosystem.
But with that being said, I ended up finding Solana, and that became my home for a lot of
my work.
And so when I do make that run back to Ethereum, which I will be doing in the future, it's going
to be calculated, and it's going to be one that doesn't, you know, like, feel like I'm
putting all my eggs in different baskets and just hoping for the best.
It's going to be something that, you know, is calculated and brings my holders the utmost
value for their work on Solana.
Because once I start going to Ethereum, it doesn't mean I'm over with Solana, right?
It means, okay, now I've just expanded to a new market because I've, you know, I've spent
enough time building my brand over the last couple of years here so that people on Ethereum
notice me and people on Solana notice me.
And it's the best of both worlds, right?
But if I were to have, like, at that point in time, decided, oh, I'm just going to drop
all of this art on Ethereum and Solana at the same time, I most likely wouldn't have
gotten the collectors that I've gotten just due to supply, right?
Like, collectors do look at supply.
They do kind of, like, put that as one of their precursors, even though, like, you know,
you have people like DJM Poet where, you know, he said, fuck supply and fuck you if you care
about it.
But, you know, each artist is different, and for my model, I was like, okay, supply is
everything, like, rare, not everyone has it, and that will push me further.
But I can't speak on other artists' approach.
But, yeah, to answer the question in short terms, depending on how you do it, I've definitely
seen artists water their work down by going all chains and having, like, all these pieces
and, like, wondering why all of them have been sitting for over a year, and it's just
because you haven't focused on one community.
So, to wrap it up, focus on one community and then go to the next one.
And don't forget where you came from as an artist.
Always go back.
Always respect the people, because at the end of the day, we're doing this for, you know,
ourselves, but also for our collectors, man.
Like, our collectors have the utmost faith in our work, and, you know, they support us
and stuff.
So, we can't forget about them.
I'm not saying change the way you approach art because of what a collector tells you.
Never that.
Do what you want to do.
But from the moralistic standpoint, see it from their perspective.
And it's not bad to do that sometimes.
Yeah, absolutely, and I appreciate that.
And, AC, I will throw this over to you in just a second, but I do want to say that we
do have some more friends in our space.
Guys, if you could, if you enjoyed this discussion and learning more about everything art, I would
appreciate it if you guys could drop a quick comment, like, and retweet on the space.
That would be absolutely fantastic.
You have two options on how to do that.
You can either go to the top on the Jumbotron and click on the tweet and do it that way, or
you can hit the big purple button.
It might be black for you.
I don't know.
On your phone, sometimes it's weird.
Drop a quick comment, like, and retweet there, too.
That would be absolutely fantastic.
So, we can hopefully get some more people in here to learn more about what's going on.
But, AC, did you have something you wanted to add to what NoFace was saying?
Actually, I put my face up and my face up, my hand up, and he was answering what I was
going to ask literally in that moment.
Because I think that reaching your collectors in a continuous basis needs to be part of the
approach and part of the follow-through, part of your fulfillment as an artist, which I
find is completely different than real life art, you know, collecting and everything like
that.
You tend to just never interact with the artist ever again, even if you did at one point.
And I think there's that expectation right now to have more access to the artist, to be
updated, to have this connection.
And I think that a lot of people try too hard.
Artists are really trying, they're trying to push themselves out there, right?
So, they're trying to emulate some of the bigger people.
And that's, of course, goals to shoot for.
But you also need to form your own path.
You also need to take things as they grow organically.
And so, reaching the collectors that you have that step into that journey with you is so
very important.
And learning that balance together, it's, I think, it has such great value to learn from
as an artist.
You get a very, very different perspective on yourself and the direction that you want to
go to when you do connect with your collectors more often.
I guess Socrates is wrong, so I'll take over.
Wait, I'm back.
I'm back.
I'm back.
Socrates, you interrupted me.
Dude, oh, sorry.
Go, Joko.
No, I just want to, you know, add to what AC said.
I think, yes, definitely finding your own path.
But I think it's very difficult to find your own path when you see, you know, you're trying
to do what has historically worked for other people, right?
So, I think, like, what's really big in this space, right, with the value of art, right,
art is totally speculative.
And you're not just betting on the artwork itself.
You're betting on the artist, right?
So, artists really need to find a great, you know, a good way to brand themselves and
market themselves that doesn't look like it's rinse and repeat.
So, and that's being exceedingly more difficult as more and more artists break into the scene.
But this is where, you know, where I touched on last time, which was collaboration and meeting
the right artists and networking.
Like, networking has been such a big part in many artists' careers nowadays.
And, you know, I just want to see, like, where are we going to go, you know, where are we
going to be in a year from now?
Like, how are artists going to brand themselves and market themselves?
And is there going to be any, like, unique or innovative ways that they bring forth in
Solana or ETH or whatever?
What's really interesting to me is that every chain has a really unique, like, buyer base
and subculture and, you know, what type of culture will each chain have in a year from
now?
And, you know, will artists be able to capitalize on that, right?
And, you know, Solana, the chain of DGEN, whatever.
Lots of Twitter engagement.
Lots of Twitter farming.
And we've seen, like, great, you know, we've seen, you know, particularly, I really like
how Zeno marketed himself, you know, being a part of Champions and leaning on, like, the
famous Fox community.
Like, that was a great way to do it.
But, yeah, I want to see, like, other ways as well.
And, yeah, we'll see where that takes it.
I appreciate you, Jericho.
Thank you for saving the day.
My phone exploded, you know, as usual.
If that doesn't happen, you're not a real space host.
So, yeah, guys, I'm back.
We're back at it.
We're live.
I definitely appreciate you guys.
So, one thing I wanted to mention on what NoFace was saying is the thing about, you know,
you have a collectors and if you're going cross-chain, the thing is your community is
not really on-chain, right?
Like, a Twitter group chat is not on-chain or a Discord server is not really on-chain.
I mean, you need to have, like, Collabland and stuff like that to authenticate.
But, like, it's not on-chain, right?
You can still build yourself to be kind of this amalgamation of change and whatever.
And I think it's unique.
And I think what's interesting about the art space in particular is it really banks on one
MF-er, and that's you, right?
You have to play the salesperson.
You have to play the artist.
You have to play the engagement person.
You have to be active everywhere.
You're networking.
And all the burden is on you.
And that's kind of a double-edged sword, right?
While you do have so much control over your destiny and your fate that you otherwise wouldn't
have in maybe Web 2, you know, you do have all that work, right?
It's a lot you have to work on and continue to iterate on.
But we did just bring some new homies on stage.
But I do want to throw this over to Avian.
My brother, it's my first time actually talking to you on stage.
How is everything going for you?
What's up, Socrates?
Thank you for bringing me on, man.
I just returned from my daily hot guy walk.
So I apologize if I'm breathing heavy.
But, yeah, I got home and immediately hopped on these spaces.
So I'm excited to be here.
I'm excited to listen to everybody and just get a good, yeah, just get a good, just get
some good inspiration from everybody else in the space.
Dude, let's fucking go, bro.
You said your hot guy walk.
Dude, I got to take more of those.
I'm a hot guy myself, dude.
Dude, that's what I'm saying, man.
That's how you level up.
Dude, on God, bro.
I'm picking up what you're putting down.
I'm taking notes.
It's in my schedule.
I blocked it out already, dude.
I got a hot guy walk for tomorrow.
It's for tomorrow.
So you'll catch me with some new energy.
Absolutely, brother.
It's fantastic to have you.
Thank you for being on stage.
And we did bring up my brother, Legendary.
He was having some issues a second ago.
But Legendary, dude.
How are you doing today, my man?
I'm doing good.
I also went on a hot guy walk.
And I came home and started listening to you.
And also was staring at my new ute that I was looking at getting for the last few days,
as you know.
So I am enjoying my new ute and loving what I'm hearing here.
You know, no face.
I really appreciate the wisdom you're providing there with, you know, staying loyal to the community
that brought you to where you are and whatnot.
And I think we need a little bit more of that kind of stuff in this space.
So kudos to you, my friend.
Hey, thank you, man.
Yeah, I've been in this space a long time, man.
And you know what, man?
No face, are you rocking?
Is he rocking?
Oh, shit.
Oh, wait.
I'm rocking for toast.
I hear you, no face.
Sock might not hear you, though.
Yeah, you know what?
I'm going to leave and come back real quick so he can.
Sock, you there?
Oh, okay.
Dude, I thought he was talking, bro.
For me, he had his...
Bro, dude, where's me?
This is not doing good today, man.
It isn't.
No, I was rocking there, too.
And, yeah, we're actually sharing the stage with Ben Eath here.
I wasn't...
Yeah, we can't hear.
I got you, bro.
I got you.
Yeah, go ahead.
No face.
Do you have something you want to say?
Oh, yeah.
What was I saying?
Collectors.
Legendary compliment.
Yeah, thank you, man.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I think it's super important to, as an artist, not to forget where you came from,
especially the, you know, collectors, man.
Like, you know, these are the people that lift up artists and vice versa.
Artists lift up collectors.
And, you know, it's a team effort, man.
Like, we have to be there for each other.
And, you know, take some time, artists.
You know, from your day and message your collectors and say what's up and treat them like friends
because they really are our friends and they want us to do the best and, you know, strengthen
those relationships more towards a friendship.
And you'll succeed a lot more because, you know, when people, like, collectors are our biggest, like, they're not only, like, our biggest supporters, they're the biggest people that will market for us.
They, they, they, they, the word of mouth that comes from a collector who really, really likes your work, man.
Like, that, that's, like, more, like, that's almost as important as getting your piece bought, right?
It's, like, one of your collectors being like, oh, yo, this dude's artist.
Is, like, you got to look out for this person, you know what I mean?
And, uh, that goes a long way, so.
Yeah, let's fucking go, dude.
It's a brotherhood out here, dude.
We're in this together.
It's not, I mean, it is PvP in some instances, but, I mean, fuck it, we ball.
We got to have all the homies together.
Make it happen.
And, uh, that's what it's about.
It's about making it happen together.
But, Ben, my brother, dude, it's good to have you on stage.
What is up, man?
Yo, what's good, what's good, fam?
Thanks for having me up here, yo.
And thanks again for hosting one more amazing space.
And, yes, no face.
I resonate a lot with what you were just saying right now.
And I think, like, the community is definitely super important.
And it can be, like, a strong support for the artists in many ways.
And especially in the Web3 space, I think we've seen that a lot of great projects
revolve around community.
So I want you, I wanted to ask you, like, considering where we're at right now
and where you see the space going forward, like, what role do you think, like,
a community-driven curation and governance could play in the future of Web3 art?
And how do you see artists and collectors collaborate to shape that future?
Wow.
That's a good question.
Were you asking me that?
I sort of liked out.
In general, in general, all of you guys that are more involved in the art world.
Jericho has his hand up.
Let's let Jericho answer this.
That's a great question, by the way.
It is a really good question.
And this is pretty, it's a unique question, too.
You know, having a community-curated collection or community-guided governance of where, you know,
an art collection is going.
Me, myself, I am a champion holder and I'm a part of the Chow, which is basically the community-ran down.
Champions is community or completely community-ran.
And, you know, what's really interesting is that every month or so we do a vote on who the champion is going to collaborate with to release a TWS.
And TWS is essentially champion ex-artist, right?
And we've done stuff with Critters Cult, with RGB, with, man, there's actually so many, Tanaka, man, I think Hot Heads.
It's crazy.
And then the community actually votes on who they want.
It's nuts.
And, you know, I've had the pleasure of, you know, being able to bring someone up as an idea or as a vote.
You know, it's really easy and you just, like, bring an idea to leadership and they push it out for you.
So, you know, the experience I've had at Champions, I was like, wow, this is really unique.
You know, Champions themselves don't have a, you know, they don't make one-of-ones or nothing like that.
But I think where you're going with having a community-guided direction, it could be really powerful for some artists.
I'm not sure if there's any one of an artists that do that.
I'm trying to think off the top of my head.
But, you know, another thing, too, is that what Nofe said about having your community involved, right?
That's super powerful.
Your community is your biggest advocates.
And speaking with them, you can actually pass ideas with your community and learn from them and see what is the next best move.
Like myself, I'm really good friends with OutKast.
And we talk often and we talk about, like, strategy and we talk about, you know, how to push his art and stuff.
And that stuff is awesome to me.
Like, as a community member, I am 100% number one OutKast fanboy, being able to do that.
And that experience is so transformative for a collector.
They're going to be your 100%, like, best advocate and they will shield the shit out of you.
And that stuff is so powerful for an artist.
So, yeah, I think we need way more community involvement with artists.
Artists need to, you know, definitely talk to their community all the time, have Twitter group chats, be active in Discord group chats.
And that stuff is going to really push this art space up, you know, forward.
And I'm really excited because that's going to happen.
It's happening already and it's going to keep happening.
So, I'm super excited to see what's in for the future.
Just to piggyback off that Jericho, fucking love OutKast, dude.
That's my boy.
He's my homie.
Not to mention, like, you know, he collects my work.
I collect his work.
But we're also going to be doing a collab sooner than later.
We've been talking about it for the past year here.
So, that's a โ I'm super excited to work with him.
Major fucking alpha, everyone, right there.
OutKast X NoFace.
Oh, my God.
Yeah.
You might see two.
You might see OutKast X NoFace.
You might see NoFace X OutKast.
Yo, let's fucking go.
I love this collaborative spirit that is being bred between artists in the space rather than just having a competitive vision.
Because, like, at the end of the day, there is the potential to develop a symbiotic relationship that all can win.
And, yo, you guys had some interesting takes right now that led me to another question.
Sock, if you allow me to go forward with it.
Yeah.
Well, hold on, Ben.
Let's throw it over to Avian first.
And then you can write that โ hey, before we forget, write down the question, Ben.
And then Avian, my brother, you had your hand up.
Did you want to add something to what we were saying?
Yeah, man, for sure.
Thanks, Ben, for letting me go ahead of you.
I just wanted to dovetail what NoFace and Jericho were saying and how it's amazing to uplift other artists.
And one thing that I've noticed when it comes to these collaborative pieces, it is typically really prominent artists collabing with others.
And I want โ whether you're a small-scale, middle-scale, or large-scale artist, I want you to reach out to your community.
And I want you to really have conversations with the artists with a low-follower accountant, for example.
I want you to have those conversations with your community members who may not be able to afford these, you know, like 300-so-one-of-one pieces, right?
And there's a lot of conversation to be had with those individuals, but unfortunately, they just don't have the voice or the platform because, again, they can't afford these really high pieces.
But they do have important insight and just their own experience to say, and they're good artists overall.
I remember whenever D-Gen Poet, who was hot as hell about five, six months ago, at the same time, I remember I had about five or six sold, and I was debating getting a D-Gen Poet piece or a Tanaka piece.
And I remember looking at Tanaka's exchange art, and I remember his, like, first sketches were going for, like, one or two sold.
And I remember thinking to myself, man, do I want to buy this piece or do I want to go with D-Gen Poet because right now he's the hot piece, you know what I mean?
And I went with D-Gen Poet, and then, you know, of course, I'm very, very happy with that decision.
I got one of his, like, Lickitung one-of-ones, or not one-of-ones, but one of his Lickitung additions.
And then a few months later, Tanaka, because he's such an amazing artist, he eventually rose to fame, and he's such an amazing guy.
He's an even better artist.
And it just showed me, in retrospect, that, again, you don't want to discredit those who might have lower follower accounts.
At the end of the day, they're still great artists.
They still have a lot of insight and a lot of potential within the space.
And it's our job as artists to give them the platform as well, not just the ones who can afford the really expensive pieces.
Yeah, absolutely.
And, Ben, I'll say something real quick, and then we'll throw it over to you for your question.
But I do want to say that sense of, you know, camaraderie that we have is incredibly important.
And that exists not only โ oh, we got our brother Noface coming back up here.
But that exists not only in, you know, art scene, but also in generative, right?
Jericho and I were very blessed early on to our career, have a pretty influential guy give us a lot of pointers and advice about how to, you know, go through the space.
And, you know, to get that kind of advice, we would have needed thousands of dollars at the time because this was back in the โ this was back in the bowl when, like, Boryoku was at the top and, you know, all these OG guys were printing.
And, like, dude, that's what we need more of in this space because I say this all the time, but one hour of your time can mean a lifetime to someone else, right?
And that's so, so important.
But, Ben, my brother, go ahead.
Oh, my bad.
Can you hear me now?
My phone was running for a moment.
Yeah, no, we got you, brother.
Go ahead.
Oh, let's go.
Let's go.
Yeah, I think this was an important take on what you guys just spoke of right now because, yeah, at the end of today, it's important.
To understand how to collaborate with other artists and creators in the space and see more benefits in working together because I believe that will definitely help you build larger communities around shared themes or interests in your art-making journey.
But, yeah, my question was more because, like, as you guys were speaking about the community and the driving the direction of who you are working with and I believe other pointers could be given by the community, I think there is also another challenge because I've done music in the past.
And I remember when people used to ask me, yo, do a bit this way, do a bit that way, I think there was a challenge in between balancing stuff.
So, my question for you would be, like, how do you balance, like, the needs and expectations of your audience with your own vision and goals?
Because at the end of the day, like, I believe that there would be a need to develop, like, strategies to maintain creative control while still fostering a sense of community ownership and participation by them.
And I don't think that's an easy task, but it can be a driver for you.
It can fuel you to do more.
But at the same time, you need to balance because it would come at a cost of you not feeling as fulfilled if you were just doing what the other people felt like it was beautiful and worth doing.
Like, I would love to hear your takes on these.
Yeah, fantastic question.
We'll go to AC because we haven't heard from AC in a while, then we'll wrap it back around to no face.
But AC, go ahead.
Actually, I did just a comment.
It might not completely answer what you just were talking about then, but what motivates you?
That really, really needs to come into play when you are answering anyone's expectation of you.
If your goals are important to you, they're, you know, solid, it's a place that you want to get to, it's something that you don't want to compromise with.
But yet your community or, you know, someone that is influencing you is asking something of you or bringing something to your attention that feels like it's taking away from your goal.
And you feel like you should or you're considering following through with this, you need to really evaluate your motivations.
What is motivating you to go this direction, to answer that request, to do the collab, to do this art piece, whatever it is that you feel slightly even, maybe it's not even pressured, but whatever is being brought up, consideration for it must be through the lens of what motivates you to answer this.
If it is, if it is, if it is, if it is, if it is in any way not feeling like a natural thing, if it's not a positive response, like it's not a positive reinforcing emotion that is filling your motivation, it's, it's, it's probably going to take away from, from your journey, if not distract you from your goal.
That's just a small take that I have.
Guys, I'm going to keep it at $1.50.
I couldn't hear anything AC said, but I was away from my phone halfway through her take, so I wasn't able to say anything.
No, yo, I can give you a little sum up, and I love her take.
Like, she was basically explaining that we gotta have, like, our, our motivations kind of figured out, and know why we are going for things, because at the end of the day, like, from what I understood, like, we, it's, we shouldn't be feeling like it's taking us away from our goals if we are working onto something that the community is requesting and proposing.
So, I, I see where she's going with it, and I believe that this is very much true, especially in a Web 3 project, whatever it may be.
Even if it's not an artistic project, we shouldn't feel like what the community is proposing is taking away from us, because otherwise it's more of a Web 2 model, let's say, like, and I, I agree with that.
So, I, I, I can see where that could lead. I think it's beautiful.
Dude, let's fucking go.
Oh, hold on, real quick before you go, no face.
AC, I'm gonna move you down.
Um, if you could request to speak, that would be absolutely fantastic, so I can start hearing you again.
Um, yeah.
Okay, sounds good.
All right, go ahead.
Actually, actually, sorry, sorry to interrupt.
Um, chickens stay up.
I'm gonna jump down.
Um, some, I'm about to start eating.
Um, that way, if you need to bring somebody up, um, some.
Oh, no, it's something about, oh, that's Cuban.
No, Cuban, it's something about speakers.
It's, I couldn't hear her.
Uh, yeah, so.
Dude, you're good to stay.
Bro, engagement farm, bro.
Stay up here all you want, bro.
Yeah, no, I'm not, I'm not coming, bro.
Um, if, you know, if I can contribute to the conversation, I will, but, um, if, if you need, um, speaker space, you know, throw me down.
Bro, you're too kind, but we got space, dude.
No, dude, just stay up here.
Just farm, bro.
Bro, this is my service to you.
Dude, you're good, bro.
We got space.
We can have another three speakers up here, and plus I can make co-hosts, so, dude, we're, we're totally chilling, but no face.
I knew you had your hand up.
Go ahead, man.
Yeah, I think I was just gonna touch upon what AC was saying, and, uh, the question that was asked.
From my understanding, it was kind of like a question asking, like, do you, would you change up for your collectors if given the rhetoric, um, to summarize it, and if I'm off, let me know.
Is that the question?
Uh, kinda, like, it's more like, how do you balance that, that creative process?
Because at the end of the day, I do believe that artists do have, and are entitled to have their own visions about what they want to build, work on, create.
But at the same time, with the community, it's, it, I believe it could become a challenge to balance both.
Yeah, so for me, like, um, I probably have 300 collectors now, not to sound braggadocious or whatever, but with that, each one of them has purchased my art knowing the type of person I am, you know what I mean?
So, for me, I will never allow an art or a collector to jeopardize the idea of, that I'm trying to present, you know what I'm saying?
Like, I think that, like, when I'm buying an artist's work, I'm buying it because that's them.
They're putting that on the paper, that's why I like them, you know what I mean?
So, the second, like, especially a non-artistic person comes through and they say, you should do it this way, you should do it that way.
I'm all for, um, constructive criticism, but I rarely listen to it unless it, you know, it, it, uh, resonates with me, right?
And most times, like, you know, it's hard, it's hard to tell an artist what to do, uh, or how to do it because then, then it's just like, why don't you pick up the paintbrush?
Why don't you start doing this stuff, you know?
And I also think a lot of people like to, um, give their, give their idea of what something should be like without even understanding the time or effort it took to get to that level, you know?
Everyone's a critic until they figure out how to do it themselves and then, then they're like, oh, oh shit, this, this is a lot harder than I expected and I shouldn't be critiquing someone that I don't know, you know?
So that's just what I think, you know what I mean?
Like, I'm never going to like allow the collectors to, uh, take away from my vision because that's the first, that's the reason why they, they invested me to begin with was my vision, right?
So like, um, it's very, it's dangerous territories for collectors to do that because you might be, you might be destroying something so beautiful that you have no idea is going to seed and flourish into that because you saw it from like the seed level.
You saw it from the little seedling and you didn't realize that that was a fucking oak tree and it was going to grow huge and strong.
You just thought it was a fucking, a little house plant, you know what I mean?
So just be careful how you say things to artists because a lot of times artists are like very self-conscious and very like in their emotions.
So like that could ruin my day.
If someone was like, I'm going to give you constructive criticism and shit, or it make me angry or some shit.
Yeah.
I do want to throw this over to Jericho and then I really badly want to hear Frosty's perspective here.
Cause this is something he was actually, he didn't work for a generative collection.
So definitely go ahead, Jericho.
Okay.
You just turned into like fucking Tron for a second for me.
I don't know if anyone else heard that, but you're like, you're, there's like two voices.
It was crazy, but I want to, um, sorry to put you on the spot, but I want to give my flowers to an artist near a dear friend of mine, AJ.
AJ, he's an artist and he owns a collection called ASSC, ASSC goons.
And he has actually been heavily influenced by the community.
And it's, it's really unique to see like how he's journeyed throughout all the web three.
And, you know, AJ started to put you on the spot, but I really want to know your perspective on all this because like your collection, I have never seen a community always in BC, always giving you so much feedback and always, you know, speaking to you and looking to you for advice.
So AJ, can you impart some wisdom on like how, how you run your collection and, and how you, you know, do things?
Yeah.
Yeah.
A lot of it, I think ties back to what, uh, AC three said just a second ago about your own motivations in this space and why you're really here in the first place.
Um, I'm sorry if I sound kind of weird right now.
I just had a crown put in.
So like half my face, it's like, it's still kind of numb.
So they just like, they just installed a crown on one of my teeth, but I'm going to try and talk without slurring too much guys.
But it does, it does come back to, uh, for me, it comes back to a lot of like, what is your real motivation for being here?
Why, why are you trying to build this community?
What, you know, what are you trying to put together here?
And for me, you know, I was lucky that, uh, I was part of a strong community before I made my project or anything.
Um, as you know, like we were all in blue chippers together and that was, you know, that was our thing.
And that was kind of like our alpha group and family.
And so when, uh, you know, when we all left that, we were looking for a new home and, uh, you know, I decided like, this is, you know, this is the time for me to, you know, create the facility for us to all just,
kind of have a home.
So that's how it started was, was basically just, uh, this is a place for us to share our insights and, you know, we'll go from there.
And little by little, like, you know, people just became, uh, they, they became in love with the community.
And I felt bad not having something to represent us, you know, like, cause we, you know, we're all like rocking all these random PFPs.
Everybody's got, like, and, you know, stuff from all these different collections, but we didn't have anything that was really like ours.
Right.
So I always wanted to put something out there that was just for us.
So that was like my way of being able to just be like, Hey guys, here's something that we can hold on to, like, kind of like a token that we've all been together.
You know, we can all share this, you know, together between us.
And that's kind of how it started.
And that's really, you know, that's at the end of it, that's really what we are.
You know, we're, we're kind of more of like a family than anything else.
And these are just kind of like our, our tokens that bond us all together.
Dude, let's fucking go, dude.
I love that.
That brings a damn tear to my face.
I, I, I know the story.
I was a part of the story, but just hearing it from AJ again, I'm fucking crying right now.
You can't hear it, but I am crying.
Dude, let's fucking go, dude.
I love the community, dude.
I love the story.
I think it gives a lot of, you know, not culture, but I guess it brings a lot more significance to what you're doing with your project, dude.
I fucking love it, man.
I love what you got going on.
But Frosty, I do, I am interested in hearing your perspective, man.
First of all, how are you doing?
And then let us know what you're thinking, man.
Hey, what's up, dog?
I'm doing great.
I'm actually a little bit ramped up because I was trying to get a lot of work done.
And I popped an Adderall.
It's a little bit strong.
So if I seem a little bit tweaked also, don't worry.
I do kind of feel like Bradley Cooper from the movie Limitless.
And I jumped into a space that is talking about a topic that's like so awesome.
And by the way, I hope all you guys are doing well, too.
Thanks for having me up here.
You know, I love you guys.
I know a lot of you behind the scenes.
So it's great to see you.
But like I'm my 40s, man, and I've been doing artwork since I was a little kid.
So this runs deep, man.
I mean, you got to figure with an artist like, and if you don't, I'm going to wrap on this a little bit.
But I'll try to take too much time.
But basically, like when I draw, it's not this persona that I am right now, Frosty Ghost or Vince in my real life, whatever the case may be.
That's just some ego.
That's just some guy.
When I'm drawing, there's something else at work, right?
And the conscious part of me is just moving the pencil and just kind of going through the technical things.
And people don't realize that when you even do a drawing, when you try to draw something and it looks like shit,
it's because it's like the movie, The Matrix, where Neo is told you never used your eyes before.
Like you literally got to take a three-dimensional object and make it look like that on a 2D space.
Good luck.
What happens is a lot of people in the commercial world, they see a lot of artwork go across their desk.
They hear a lot of music.
They read a lot of books.
And they think that they're experts in that tactile way or that personal way that like the artist is.
And they're not.
That's diet.
That's like, you know, the no frills version of it, right?
It's not even remotely a window into it.
But here's the precarious part of it.
And I saw this when like, you know, you're in like high school and you're like the best artist in your class and everyone's sucking your D.
And then I went to like art school and I could afford it for a little while.
And then there's a hundred of you.
You're in top gun class and then you're not so special anymore.
But every one of these people thought they were special.
They were going to be the next Andy Warhol, the next this.
And it's like, I don't know where that comes from.
You know, I know a lot of it comes from trauma.
A lot of it comes from going through some shit.
I know for me, artwork saved my life.
I didn't know I could turn it into a career.
But I did learn this, that I had to stow my ego if I wanted to make a career out of it.
Because long before anybody wanted to care about bringing me on an NFT project, because they heard about me and I had this reputation for being a killer like comic book artist and illustrator.
That can do all this work in a short amount of time.
I had to do a lot of work for other people that I didn't want to do.
Right.
Like even Michelangelo, like 1500 years ago or whatever, he was making burial stones for the Medici family.
Right.
And busts for politicians and all this crap.
And arguably, maybe he didn't want to do all this.
But all of that led to the Sistine Chapel, where finally people wanted to see Michelangelo for his genius because he gave a crap about what people wanted.
And if I got to make money, I also had to take my personal feelings out of it because I got to say, this is going to take me how long to get this done for this person.
They're going to only pay me this much.
Just needs to be commercially acceptable.
I put my opinion in when it's going to look bad or if it's really going to be against something that would be, I'm just not drawing this because it's just trash.
Right.
Like you have to take a stand and have boundaries.
But outside of that, when it comes to a business end, just give the people what they want, their money, their money, cashes and spends like everybody else's and still your ego aside.
And if you do that long enough and you can build a rep long enough, you can be up here talking about it.
And I always tell people I'm a 23 year overnight success.
You know, you got to chop wood and carry water.
And artists, you know, it's it's it's tough because we can't quantify our value.
One of the hardest things for me in the commercial world is when somebody goes, hey, Frost, I want you to draw this picture of, you know, Darth Vader fighting a unicorn for my daughter's party on a canvas.
How much you want for that?
I don't know.
Ten thousand dollars.
I mean, how much did it cost me to go to art school and learn all this?
It's fucking priceless.
So I'll say five hundred dollars and think that's a good cost.
And they're like, dude, how can you charge me that much?
I don't know, man.
I'm not a mechanic.
I can't quantify a catalytic converter and a distributor cap.
OK, I can tell you how much my paints cost.
Not too much.
They last a while, but I'm going to inflate the cost because, you know, I don't know.
How do I how do I tell you what it costs that I value my talent, that a sunset should cost 10 million?
But you only want to pay 75 bucks.
But it took me all day to draw it.
But it's gone, right?
Did I rug or what's going on?
No, I can't hear you.
I hope, God, you didn't miss what Frosty said.
He is he's growing inspiration right now.
Yeah.
Frosty, Frosty, Frosty, keep going.
Keep going, Frosty.
Keep going, bro.
All right.
All right.
All right.
You know, because like, dude, it takes a lot, man.
I mean, I was standing on the shoulders of giants.
I thought I wanted to be this comic book artist.
You know, Jim Lee, Mark Sylvester, all those cats are still drawn until this day.
As long as my eyesight works and I don't get arthritis, I could be going for a long time.
And then they're just getting better and better.
And then AI comes out, something to disrupt the system.
Nah, man.
If you're an artist, man, you want to hide in commercial art.
You want to stow the ego?
Just, just, just, just, just find a niche.
Like I found airbrush.
I found what I'm doing.
Specialize.
Get the jobs.
It might not even be the sexiest jobs, but work towards that end.
And then just keep learning abilities.
So like I put all my eggs into one basket and learned airbrush.
I just got good at that.
And then people will realize that the way you do one thing tends to be the way you do everything else.
So stay with the times.
I branched off into digital.
Now I'm going to check out this AI technology.
Like I'm not going to age out and people make connections.
So even though tech changes and you're like, shit, what will be my next job?
Your relationship with a person didn't change because you knew them for 10 years.
They're still going to call you.
They just want to know, Hey man, can you do this AI system thing?
Dude, can you do that?
I'll still pay you.
Yeah, bro.
I could do it.
Cause I'm still me.
I'm the man.
And they're going to believe that I'm going to be good at it because the way you do one
thing is the way you do everything.
So you can ladder your skills.
So artists got to kind of hide in the matrix.
And here's one way I'm going to say to test your abilities.
Cause a lot of artists could be egotistical about how good they are and the deserving
of work.
You hear this, I should be working already.
Google the artists in your field concept artists.
Look it up.
Look at like the worst guy that works at blizzard.
Look at the worst guy that works at an independent company, but still gets paid.
You got to be better than the lowest guy to start getting paid.
If your artwork isn't at least there, you can't even enter the arena.
Some people just need more practice.
It takes a long time to learn how to get good at this stuff and to learn how to,
how to not be personal about it and to talk to people because you're selling
yourself, right?
A lot of people get airbrush, but how come I keep getting hired?
Cause I show up on time.
Cause my airbrushes work when I get there.
Cause I'm good at customer service and people come back and they say that was the
best airbrush artist I ever had at this party.
And I don't, and I don't feel bad cause it was a bar mitzvah.
Like I should be somewhere.
Right?
Sometimes my artwork hangs in a building in New York city.
Sometimes I'm painting sneakers for a kid's birthday party.
What's the difference?
You're, you're bringing beauty into the world.
Don't lose the plot.
All right.
But it takes a while to earn that value.
Not because people want to hate us, but they don't know how to quantify it.
And, and, and you have to learn that skill of being able to communicate that.
And it just takes a long time, but you have to actually earn the reputation.
And the quickest way you earn it is by using your beauty to bring joy to other
people first.
You won't make the sexy money right away.
You're not going to get the rep you want, but people are going to remember you.
They're going to call you up and they're going to start paying you more.
And then once that happens, then you're set.
Now, now I can sometimes ask for like numbers, sometimes on things.
And I'm like, I cannot believe I got paid that because it opens up bigger doors.
Like seeds you're planting now.
And when people start making tons of money, like some of these families I work for, like
they got millions and millions saved up for this bar mitzvah or this event.
They don't care about giving me a couple thousand to show up.
And I'm like, who gives a shit?
Like, you know what I'm saying?
Like, like at that level, like it, it, it, it won't matter.
Right.
These like companies that sometimes will be like, Hey, we need you to do these drawings
once a month.
I'm like, sure.
I need like four or $500 for something that takes you like an hour and a half to do.
And it's like, it's Google.
They don't care.
They got some petty cash and they just throw it at you.
So those doors will open, but they all open with people and connections and just like
being cool.
Like if you're going to be the artist personified, like I'm quirky, I get to use a lot, but use
it to your advantage.
Sometimes people are like, Oh, he's all over the road.
He's crazy.
Right.
But I wouldn't be me.
So you want me to still be the guy that can create this shit?
Then I got to be me.
Anyway, I'm going to chill there.
Cause I said I was tweaked and I feel like I've been talking for a while.
It's just that's a super passionate thing, but there's a ton of hands up and I won't
be a dick.
I mean, they're up cause of you.
Probably.
I got to say that shit is going to be clips.
That's a clip frosty.
That is an inspiration for all the fucking upcoming artists.
So I just got to say that is clipped.
So congratulations.
No, that was awesome, man.
And dog, I'll tell you guys something fucking really funny, man.
Like this is how bad it can be.
Like I came up right.
And it was just me.
I was on my own by the time I was 17, 18.
And when I work jobs, I always tell people work jobs to just make money and learn a skill.
You want to get good with people?
Be a waiter.
God was a bellman.
Got you real, real good skills.
Want to learn money?
I did the, uh, you know, like I was a payment processor at a bank.
So I learned about principle and interest, like work to learn.
I did some carpentry.
So I learned how to build some shit.
Don't worry about any of those jobs that you're just putting money in the bank to save for
what your career is going to be.
That's just some shit you're doing to get to better places.
It's a stepping stone.
Always have the eye on the prize.
At the end of the day, your artwork, and it's a war of fucking attrition.
You're going to do anything.
You're going to gut it out.
I quit working for an event company with some bullshit lie.
God served up my car getting totaled the next day.
And I had to beg this guy and be like, dude, I'll show up.
He picked me up at my front door and said, just be ready every day at 10.
I would drive to his house, brew a pot of coffee, and pull down some paper towels and
just start doing one dot with the airbrush.
Did that for about a year and a half just doing these drills until one day I picked up
that machine and I could just play it.
And you've got to be willing to gut it out and do that.
I'll just hold it there, though.
No, yo, that was a great take.
I'm not going to lie.
Are we good?
Dude, I didn't hear anything.
Yo, yo, yo, Socrates.
Socrates, what are you doing?
Yo, I don't want a crazy drug, guys.
I'm sorry.
Socrates, what kind of phone are you on, bro?
Dude, I'm on a 10S.
Dude, this thing isn't too angry.
Wait, wait, wait.
Hold up.
Hold up.
You're on an Android?
You can leave?
Oh, you're on a fucking iPhone.
I don't know if you can leave.
Does iPhone have that thing where you can leave the space?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, so exit Twitter and come back right away, and then that should fix the problem.
Dude, I don't know, bro.
I don't know about that one.
Wait, it doesn't do that, though, on iPhone?
Like, you don't have two minutes to get back to the reconnecting space?
I did it.
I did it today a few times.
Dude, I've literally had that shit for me before.
I'm not about to do that.
It's so much easier to just move across it down.
Socrates, let me do it.
I'm on my account.
What do you mean, let you do it?
No, no, no.
I'll test it as a speaker, and then if it works for me, I'll come back and tell you to do it.
No, I'll just say, guys, I don't know why this is a debate.
I'm just going to move Frosty down and then move him back up.
That's all it is.
No, dude, I don't think Frosty's a problem.
You sound like fucking Tron Legacy right now.
Oh, do I for real?
Okay.
Oh, you're back.
What is going on?
I don't know what's going on.
Oh, I'm back?
I'm back?
Yeah, yeah.
He didn't do advantage of the Shadow Realm.
He does sound like Tron, man.
And like Tron Legacy, yeah, that was a good call.
That was a good movie, I thought.
Okay, Jericho, take over for the time.
Shit, guys, I guess I'm taking over.
It's my show now.
Well, I saw some hands up, but they all went down.
So, AC, I think you had your hand up first.
I'm going to pass it to you.
Come on, help me out.
Actually, I completely forgot what I was going to say, because Frosty kind of did a whole show right now just by himself.
We'll be a couple.
I love you.
Yeah.
No, we need to get into a phone call because we still have to get that direction going soon.
I keep thinking of it when I go into my folder and I see those pieces that we made for inspiration.
So, we need to get that going.
I know that the concept of mentorship has often been brought up, and I really appreciate, not even just from an artist, you know, to artist perspective,
but an artist that wants to bring collectors in and just open their minds, being able to show them art and open their minds to how we can look at art in this space.
And I have to admit, I was not a big fan of, like, pixel art.
I mean, not like I had a thing against it, but I didn't really get with it.
It wasn't my thing.
But I have recently, in the past few weeks, been able to just interact with a lot more pixel artists,
and I have grown my appreciation for that particular art style, and I believe that there's a lot of room for openness and expression to be shared,
not just artist to artist, but the ability to, yeah, to put yourself out there and to express what the direction is with your art
and how the process goes is so very good to attract collectors, because there's people that want to get involved.
I've had people tell me personally, I just don't know what to look for.
I don't know what to get into.
I don't even know what to look at when I'm looking at how to be a good collector.
So, there's a lot of different facets to this whole exchange that needs to be looked at and grown.
Because it's a different marketplace than real life art collection and development and creation.
Guys, am I still a robot, or are we chilling?
You sound normal.
I'm good, dog.
Let's fucking go, dude.
Let's go.
We fixed it.
But, dude, AC, I appreciate everything you're saying for sure, man.
And I think that's what it's about, absolutely.
But, Cuban, I know you've had your hand up for a while, dude.
Go ahead and run it, my man.
Oh, Cuban, are we there?
Dude, we're losing everybody.
This face is fucking cursed.
It's obvious.
Dude, this shit.
It's a cursed face.
We're haunted, dude.
I don't know what happened.
Maybe, like, no faces alter ego is, like, haunting us or something, bro.
And, you know, here we are.
Here we are.
Oh, he's coming back.
Hold on.
He's coming back up.
We might get him here.
Dude, but it's been a wild ride, bro.
For sure.
Cuban.
Cuban, my brother.
Dude, Cuban, are you good, bro?
What's good?
Now I can hear you.
But I couldn't hear you when you came back.
No, I'm rugged.
Is it me rugged now?
No, bro.
Shady's back.
Shady's back.
We're here to save the space.
Wait.
My thing is...
Let's go.
Cuban, run it.
Can y'all hear me?
Yeah.
Okay, so I just wanted to touch on something that Nofay said earlier on critiquing people's work.
You should not be critiquing people's work at all, especially if you're not being asked to.
Because that, like he said, you don't know what it takes to actually get to, you know, what was produced.
You don't know what was the intentions behind it.
So if you're not being asked, that's just a big no-zone to be touching on because, you know, it's a very easy way to, like he said, burn somebody.
And that actually happened to me a few, actually a week ago.
That this person actually helped him a lot throughout a whole year of, you know, helping him grow his photography.
And one morning he thought it would be funny to, like, message me and say that the photos that I posted sucked.
I'm like, bro, what?
No, bro.
Like, that's not funny.
And even if that is, I didn't ask you if they sucked or not.
Like, that's...
You should not be saying that to anybody.
But if you are asking for critique, you know, you need to be a...
You need to have a hard skin for it and you need to know what to take in and what to not.
You know, you can...
If you believe that what you're being told is actually constructive criticism, you know, take it on and maybe actually, you know, fix it for the next piece that you're doing.
But if, you know, you are completely, you know, behind what you created and what somebody is telling you, it's not valid.
You know, you don't have to.
Like, that's it, bro.
Like, you know, let that come and go.
But, yeah, if you're not being asked, do not go out there asking, like, telling people about the art.
Like, just referring to that.
I also think everyone wants to be a critic nowadays.
Like, whether it be, like, listening to the new fucking album or whatever, whatever.
Everybody has a critique, right?
Like, they think their opinion matters.
And a lot of times your opinion doesn't mean shit.
Don't matter.
It's like an asshole.
Everybody has one.
You know what I mean?
So artists are going to get that regardless, like, whether we ask for it or not.
But, you know, there's a type of way you could feel about it or there's a type of way you could flip it and make that collector your collector.
You know what I mean?
Without all the weird critique shit.
Dude.
oh my fucking god i posted a tweet on this okay i'm more generative i admittedly but bro so many
people are armchair advisors it's like bro you have no idea what you're talking about guys like
holy shit put the put the phone down get off twitter for a day take a break dude like oh my
god a lot of people are lost in the sauce and when it comes to art too i'll save this and i'll throw
it over to frosty but especially when it comes to art right like actually it's like hella qualitative
right it's like largely opinion it's your style it's your art right like at the end of the day
these guys are probably just being bozos and no idea what the fuck they're talking about but
frosty go ahead here man yeah yeah and you know it's like i got two minds of it right but a hundred
percent like you can't just roll up on an artist and critique him the only time it's acceptable for
for me for that to happen is when i'm working at events and i'm doing it commercially where someone
is paying me a lot of money to make their kid look like the hulk and i gotta do like his portrait but
turn his body into the hulk and they have the right to be like ah it looks corny and that's not
that cool or whatever it is or they might say it's really great just add some more purple or something
right that's cool i'm gonna take that all day because i want them to be happy because that's
how i keep my electric bill on but like when someone has now stood on the shoulders of giants
and let's be clear about something we don't want art literature music and creative stuff in society
we need it okay because like when people come out and write books and do visual arts and create songs
they're basically singing the songs of all of us they're they're singing the emotional journey they're
putting together the history of of what it is that to be uh the spirit of human right the abstractness
that we we don't know what to call inside of us that's running the ship because it ain't this persona
on the speaker right it's not even the technical ability it's the stuff behind that you know we have
the technical ability when we study history and writing and learn the laws of the land but all
the creative stuff all that is the is the isness of who people are so someone to just roll up who
hasn't even tried it just be like oh this needs more of this it falls into that category what i was
saying before where it's like i i get that in my industry where a lot of artwork has gone across
these uh these uh executive at these event companies desks or they've worked other people and they think
that gives them a window now to be like well this is how you got to operate because it's how my
relationship was before and it's like well dog i'm this artist and this is my thing and these are
all the years i put in this is my resume and maybe we're just not a good fit now it's commercially i
don't do that unless it's just really not a good fit but i'm saying if it was just like somebody off
the street just critiquing my art because they think they had a right i mean generally i'll just
take the compliment be like cool and i won't even say anything about it or feel some type of way
because i know that people don't necessarily mean it in a bad way they just get too comfortable
but where i will take the critique seriously is when it comes from a peer of mine that i selected
if it's another artist someone that i know went through the same battle as me just like martial
arts like i'm not going to learn from some guy on the street that's only been a couple of fist
fights in high school i'm going to i'm going to go to ufc gym and learn from the from the from the
trainer right that's the guy i'm going to respect it's like the biggest guys in the gym aren't
telling the little guys like hey good good job on those bicep curls today no it's the other
bodybuilders are are talking to the other bodybuilders so i gotta i gotta get my critiques from other
artists because they because they know they they know how difficult it is to try to sum up an emotion
a fleeting emotional thing like like ac and i talk about lightning in a bottle and and put that into
into a tune right like think about that guitar solo at the end of free bird what i'm talking about
playing guitar who's the best guitarist who gives a shit dick measuring for no reason that guy just
goes off the rails for like two and a half minutes killing it i don't know where that came from maybe
that guy could be a dick in his real life but that shit right there is the magic of being a human
and we need that society and nobody can come up all comfortable and be like i think it needs more
cowbell hmm okay i think i'll see you at three o'clock on the playground you know yeah we can
take it real personal and it's and it's hard when you when you got to do it in a business setting
because dude i've had party planners blow up on me because the shade of brown was off and you just
got to take that to the chin even though i think it looks fucking fantastic you can't let that come up
because offense ruins commerce but i'm gonna pause right there though dude and dude oh my god you're
speaking some on god facts dude no face go ahead man oh i was just trying to say damn bro
frosty man easy follow dude easy fucking follow where you been bro like i've never talked to you
before damn that was easy follow thanks daughter yeah yeah uh hopefully hopefully we can uh connect
man like you got a good fucking head on your shoulder what agency do you work for right now
i mean i'm self-employed but i work with a lot of event companies over here on the east coast
um one that calls me a lot is uh total entertainment and they do like uh they're like bi-coastal and they
they're they're like the production companies that'll be behind any any number of things i never know
what the phone call is going to be it could be a kid's party in the backyard it could be a body
painting at some place in new york it's crazy it's an oddest small like i don't think i've traveled
the globe that much but you want to talk about traveling to the matrix and seeing behind some
closed doors and some weird shit that celebrities and people do whoa man it's crazy yeah so but it's
all predicated on hard work i always say that you know like you you could you could build a good
like any any all right i can't say anyone could be an artist but like i think i could teach most
people the technical ability to draw right on paper where the rest of it comes from that makes
you stand out well shit even people that call themselves artists are trying to figure that out
i'm still trying to figure that out because i've been at it for 44 years and i still think i suck
yeah dude and definitely connect bro this is okay so i'm actually so fucking glad no face said that
because that's kind of the whole point of this space is to kind of bridge the gap between the more
generative end and the more you know boutique you know one-on-one guys and you know frosty is
is an artist for moonshine canines if you aren't familiar and that's how i met him i did work through
them and then the no face i'm probably in a group chat with you or something i'm not i'm not too sure
how exactly we're connected but you know that's what i want to do with meet the artist is bridge the
gap damn that's corny as fuck but you know more or less just allow room for conversation because i feel
like not too many spaces do this but i am interested in hearing the perspective of the
project founders so snooze or leon i'm really interested in hearing your perspective on you
know taking criticism and how do you apply that so leon dude i saw you throw up a reaction so i'm
going to pick on you here but when it comes to getting that feedback and that criticism you know
how do you tell the difference between what's real and what's bullshit oh yeah that's a great
question um so i mean i can i can talk about that with in regards to our project so you know
like right after we we launched or we minted right uh there was an inflow like influx of like you know
hey we should do this we should pivot out roadmaps so you know you kind of have to take a lot of
that with a grain of salt like it's what's what's their motive you know it's like you know so it's it's
i don't have to just pick through like okay who who has the better like um you know long-term like
uh goals with with your project right but that's the ones i would pay more attention
to than like like a quick kind of like you know put my bag kind of thing um but but yeah mostly
it's been going good you know like i guess i can speak to like what's going on with monkey now too it's
like there's there's uh uh oh anyways maybe i've been right shit a lot of drama there
i'm sorry like is this specifically about art or just anything yeah so i'm interested in hearing
your perspective because i think this is an issue that not just artists but really a lot of people
face right because it's a it's a matter of people kind of being that arm sorry i was letting my cat
out my house um but it's it's a matter of people just you know being armchair advisors not really
knowing what they're talking about and dealing with that pressure right because a lot of people
cave to that you know people will be like hey dude change your xyz you know i need the floor price to
grow up yada yada yada and it doesn't matter who you are in the space if you're a creator that's some
bullshit you got to deal with but yeah leon that's that's oh yeah no 100 when you start a project it's
like you have this vision you have this vision of where it's gonna go what are you gonna do to get
it there now obviously there's some questions and things that you'll discover along the way
but you know like like i saw quickly quick feedback from somebody who like you know or
maybe a couple people who bought like one at a tee and they're like okay you know we need to
completely change the road map to the just talk about hype about the project and you know obviously
no it's not for us because we're not that kind of a project we're definitely definitely a utility thing
and you know maybe that's not as sexy as some other things so you know you just kind of ignore that
kind of stuff but you you pay attention to people who you know they own a little bit more
maybe they take a little bit longer stance than what you're trying to do and you just communicate
your your vision you stick to your vision unless you know you run into something that that requires a
pivot you just keep steering that ship you know yeah and it brings it back to vision and jerek i'll
let you go in just a second but i just want to say i think the common thing between artists
and entrepreneurs i mean you guys are in a sense entrepreneurs and things like that but
it's all vision and what you want to achieve and bringing people along for the ride right and i think
sometimes whenever we have those pressures and people giving us feedback and shit like that
we lose sight of that but jericho go ahead brother yeah i guess i have a pretty
contrarian take here i mean sorry you know this of me you know this um i mean i'm a two-time
project founder currently working on syndicate which you know the host of this space but um
i think all all feedback no matter how you know terrible it is or whatever any opinion
is good like you should you should think about it not necessarily like change the whole branding of
your of your art or like how you do art or how you do your project whatever but i always have the
belief that if one person was brave enough to say that to you there are hundreds of people that are
silent in the back thinking what they're thinking that's what i think so if a single person comes
up to you and say you know your art needs to change or your nft project is is not good or something
don't like take it too seriously but think about it like okay why did they say that you know why did
they say that and how can i improve on on on that right um or not even not improve maybe there is wrong
or why are they wrong you know so that's why i like to think i think all feedback is super super
important i mean i live my whole life based on the feedback of others um that's how i improve as a
person other people will see the faults of you and sometimes you will not see the faults of yourself
like you have like some sort of like internal god complex or you don't want to like bring about
change or you can't see change you know you don't think you're you're wrong so yeah i think other
people are are very good critics for you and then i i try to model my life um around you know
learning from others and getting feedback from others yeah i would love to see you know like
snooze like you know you have a you run a very successful collection so i would like to hear
from from your perspective of of how how you deal with feedback and stuff before we throw it over
to snooze um this news is my brother uh i do want to throw it over to to my brother uh mulligan
and patrick mulligan or it's crypto mulliman dude your your your handle is confusing me bro but
dude you've had your hand up for a while let's hear from you bro what is good my man
what uh boys first off i just wanted to say uh congratulations to socrates and jericho for uh
starting up the space and uh you know working with us at soul city radio uh to get this shit
popping off so thank you guys uh we're super excited to have you under the umbrella and
yeah just wanted to make sure i came in and support for your guys's first show
uh i'm actually out here uh in arizona and uh i just got done coaching a baseball game and i'm
watching the varsity team play right now uh listening to you guys so i just wanted to first
off say that and then uh second off great great show so far uh i love the feedback um topic here
uh i recently you know i've been in the space for over a year now and took me a long long time to
kind of find my place um you know i uh i am a younger artist only been shooting for five years
um and really didn't know what my artistic voice was but this space has really helped me uh gain that
and the reason for that is all the feedback people have given me right like if you listen and you learn
and sometimes feedback doesn't even have to be like verbal feedback you can um you know watch and
and get non-verbal cues or the way people are responding to your stuff you know watch that
watch what they like watch what they don't like uh it'll really help you as an artist so uh but
anyways the the the varsity team just got walked off on unfortunately so it's gonna make the bus ride
home a little uh salty and so i gotta run uh but yeah i just wanted to make sure i got up here and
supported y'all dude thank you and let's fucking go dude definitely appreciate you and appreciate the love
from soul city radio guys like it was super easy and super awesome to collaborate with you guys so
definitely huge shout out to y'all making this happen dude for real appreciate you awesome and
thanks for coming on man but snooze my brother dude go ahead
yo i was just about to say like a lot of it is really when it comes to feedback for me um
you get confused as a founder when you take so much feedback where the feedback is mass enough
for you to redo and rethink your vision like unspokenly even when i advise other founders or
when i when i work with artists that come up with with art for collections oftentimes there's too much
noise and the noise starts to bend the vision and then that's where there's an issue i think um feedback
feedback is important and feedback will always be fulcrum to any change but the way we look at
feedback needs to be understood properly like there will be feedback that um we're getting like four
or five things so it could actually be that the feedback is more a reaction to like an announcement
those things i think better better assessed better assessed instead of like using it to bend the
vision altogether so it just it it's more understanding the feedback first digesting analyzing
and then only then reintroducing it into will it really need to become a roadmap item will it really
need to to turn the art into like a more grungy look i think analysis of feedback is more important
than just receiving and reacting
yeah geez yeah and it's all about putting it in context right so you know why are they saying this
why you know when are they saying it why are they saying it and what does this actually mean right
boiling it down because also one thing i'll add and i'll throw this over to frosty then they see
is people you know aren't good at communicating i mean we we all struggle with this whether that be
our relationships the people we know whatever we're posting on the timeline dude we fuck shit up
bad bro we fuck shit up bad so you definitely got to take everything with a grain of salt for sure
but frosty my brother go ahead yeah i wanted to uh piggyback and also and also uh speak to something
that was that was said before and and and and you know expand on this too because like i i deal with
it all the time and i dealt with it in my project but like yeah the thing about like feedback right
like there there is a delineating line like like i agree with like sometimes like you really do got to
take the feedback like let's just say you have like this uh this dream to be like this great singer
and you start singing and like you you suck and it's not really going anywhere and you're not
getting big jobs and then finally your uncle tony pulls you to the side on thanksgiving and says look
dog i think you got to go into law because uh you're you're not freddie mercury like yeah take that
feedback like if enough people because sometimes your friends like they're not going to tell you
right and we romanticize it in ourselves um when you get higher up the ladder than the other side to
that would be um watch that you're just like not too big for your britches and this where i can
i can tie it into my journey into nfts and i because i'm a founder on moonshine canines
my project's in a little bit of its own limbo so we don't have to get into any kind of a chill or
anything but as far as the artwork went thankfully that wasn't one of the issues and that was in large
parts of the criticism that i took from trust labs who was who was our advisory team and you know just
because i have this experience of decades of being an artist from being a little kid and doing comics
and this that and the third and airbrushing it doesn't mean that i'm going to come in and do nft style
and just be like an expert right out the gate so so that would have been ludicrous for me to like
take that in any kind of personal way when they first saw my original concepts of this dog and
said ah not so great man now here's where criticism or feedback can be lame if i just hear like it's
not cool or like if you go to the movies with somebody they're like ah just sucked and they can't
put something behavioral to it like like something really constructive like one thing that like trust
labs told me they said you're a comic book artist so like you're over rendering it like it doesn't need
like cross hatching and all this detail like the detail in an nft comes from the other traits
and then the detail is the sum of its whole parts i was like oh so less is more on the individual
pieces because when those pieces come together like a sandwich that's going to create the textures in
the detail now look not knowing nfts i have to be told that that's awesome feedback and i would have
been a dick if i would have turned around and been like you can't tell me nothing i know how to draw
i've been a comic book artist like you're kidding me they would have been like this guy's a fucking joke
you know that's that's that's where it's negative so you got to be willing but yeah like if i was
trying to draw since i was like 10 and it wasn't cutting it by the time in my 20s and my uncle jerry
was like dude you got to do something else because you're terrible at this dog you got to listen to
that too um 100 um and as a founder i was given i was given latitude you know because artwork's got
to tell a story right uh so it's like like we're dogs so we're like a pack right because it's got to speak
and i always feel that like artists and people like that the reason they can do it in entrepreneurs
is because we're problem solvers i don't think you can write to the end of a song and figure out a
riff and and string notes together and words together for your characters to go on this journey
of of of this hero's trial and come out the other end where someone reads that and it moved them to
tears or to want to make a movie or something where other creatives want to now do it uh if you can't
solve problems and have a mindset that works like that and i think that's where we can get upset
where other people on the outside can come in like a boss or just say something flip
and we take it a certain way because i don't know how it is in nfts because i'm relatively new
but maybe people hear like it should look like this project over here dog because that's what sells you
know i don't know if there's some superficial blanket thing that goes around but yeah that can be a
little bit off-putting to artists but what was said about feedback and taking at the right time
100 because you never know where the where a genius idea is going to come from next
also just to like add on to what you're saying like critiques are good when they're needed like
whether you'd be like working on a project or something like this but you know just like i don't
know there's i feel like there's certain times where a critique could go the opposite direction and
really just like i was saying before kind of like uh what's it called like kind of like take that
artist from the path that they were supposed to be on because they listened to someone that they
shouldn't have listened to that shouldn't have that type like shouldn't have the the the ability
to dictate uh someone's style or whatever whatever you know what i mean and i think i got a metaphor
for you anybody see the movie ray about ray charles when they were saying like don't be nat king
cole be ray and then like he had to go into the recording studio and find his voice to do his
first like original sounding song like maybe that's part of it like you want to help the artist find
their voice like like help them refine their vision so they can get it to more people not change it to
make a buck maybe i don't know maybe that's it right like you see that a lot of times in music
no face did you have something you wanted to close off there with
no are we rocking can we hear can you guys hear me throw up some emojis bro
i can hear you yeah i thought i was talking let's fucking go dude we're chilling but dude ac i knew you
had your hand up for quite a second did you have something you wanted to throw into the conversation
um actually well most of everything that i was going to say uh no face and frosty commented on
um it's it's truly about knowing yourself and knowing where your goals are and being able to gauge
how you're doing in the present moment so it's it's a lot of self-evaluation and a lot of of self-restraint
a lot of self-control and that's and that's categorically difficult for artists i feel to
accomplish because they tend to be a lot more emotionally uh connected expressive reactive
responsive and so you really have to be a strong person in yourself mentally and have some clear
guidelines for yourself to follow before you start receiving feedback before you start integrating
other people into your life and into your journey that are going to affect you because they do you
have friends they're going to affect you you have close family they're going to affect you so you
really have to understand yourself further in order to grow i feel in order to seriously have a future
absolutely and thank you for the wisdom and i think all of this is really about growth and
understanding where you fit in and how other people tie into your story right and that doesn't matter if
you're an artist that doesn't matter if you're a creator it doesn't matter who you are that's just
something we need to know in life right how do these other people fit in and where can i you know
utilize them or basically have them impact me as a person but guys i think we're at a pretty good
point to you know start wrapping things up here uh frosty i know you did just shoot your hand up but
uh let's keep a little bit short so then we can we can wrap some stuff up but go ahead brother
no i see you just said something i just wanted to piggyback on because it actually happened to me like
like my father would be the first person to be like oh maybe you should think about doing like
something else for a career and like you gotta be strong and know that you got the talent and you've
been putting the time in because like that's your parent low-key saying they think you might fail and
they don't mean to say that to you they think they're trying to give you some guidance but yeah
you gotta be able to push through that and persevere you know and uh and continue and continue on the
course so it's a lot it's a lot so ac made a super point that's pretty much all i was gonna say
yeah ac go ahead and follow up and then we'll throw it over to birds
oh maybe we're okay uh birds go ahead brother hey it was good guys thanks for letting me share
um i'm usually in the spaces just listening i'm usually like very over expressive so i'm trying to
learn the listening part but today's subject really touched and i just wanted to add something and just
share a little bit as far as feedback i believe that when you're giving feedback people tend to
underestimate the tone you have to be mindful about the tone the vocabulary that you're using
and just be kind with your feedback you know just basically give feedback the way that you would like
to receive it that's as far as you know giving it when it comes to taking feedback i feel i believe it's
very important to uh like ac was saying really know yourself and not take things so personal
if this feedback is coming up like at you very aggressively just realize and understand early on that
it has more to do with that person that than your your work and you know the feedback that they're
trying to give out so don't take that too personal and don't take it like you know in a in a
careful way or or whatnot and lastly i just want to say that yeah feedback no matter what
it's really important because without feedback whether it's good or bad you don't know what to
work on you don't know what to get to get better at so it's really good to have somebody else's
perspective perspective is key when you're trying to grow so um i feel like no matter what there's
always root for improvement and we cannot improve without any feedback so so thanks for letting me
share man appreciate it dude absolutely thanks for coming up here man i appreciate you and i hope
to see you around more man birds i've only talked to you today so let's chat more brother it's
absolutely awesome to hear your perspective and guys uh let's look to wrap it up here um jericho
will give you some brief updates on some stuff going on at syndicate and then i want to pass it
over to two people get some closing thoughts then we'll go ahead and wrap it up so jericho go ahead
yeah i just want to say guys uh this was a fantastic first space i mean i am blown away
by this conversation and the amount of knowledge info entertainment like this was awesome this was a
great space and this is co-hosted by our friends at soul city radio so this could not have happened
without them big shout out to them they're an awesome art collective they're empowering artists
they host many many spaces like this so you know give them a follow they're huge um but also our
project me and socrates we have a project called syndicates uh which is basically a discord news
network we reach over 200 servers and we reach 500 000 half a million discord members and a big
reason for syndicate we want to empower artists as well so artists currently they are mostly getting
their exposure through twitter you know growing their twitter audience and shilling on twitter and
engagement farming on twitter but there's no great way to you know market themselves on discord
syndicate is a powerful tool for artists and we want it to be a powerful tool for
artists right we want to give artists the exposure they need to push them on 200 different servers
reaching a sorry sorry a half a million people so yeah so that's that's the whole point of syndicate
i pinned our uh discord link at the very top you can check it out uh we post all of our shows there
too we met we host many shows throughout the week i believe 12 different shows throughout the week and
you guys can take a look at our news network and uh take a look at you know who's uh power network and all
that but again thank you so much for this space this was awesome all you guys are amazing i love you
guys peace out go ahead take it away absolutely and jericho thank you for that guys and once again
soul city radio thank you for helping making this happen and guys if you haven't checked out syndicate
um i mean i'm showing a little bit it's my project it's my project so if you're interested in learning
more about us you'd go ahead and hop in my bio and check it out but guys i do want to throw this
over to two people in particular to get some closing thoughts i actually want to throw this
over to my brother legendary legendary i know most of this conversation you have just been tuning in
you've been listening oh are you rocked you're not in a good position are you are you in a good
position no you're not are you okay dude i'm gonna throw it over to you then okay we're gotten we're
getting thumbs up we're making it happen but legendary dude you've been tuning in you've been listening i'm
interested interested in knowing from your perspective you know what were your thoughts on today's show
yeah sorry for those uh mixed emojis there i got a little excited there um you know jericho really
kind of stole it out of my mouth there um this is a really really cool space um you know i was kind
of sitting here as you said just listening and um i was kind of sitting back thinking about you know
when i first got into nfts i really thought i was just going to buy one nft and then sell it for a
lambo um and unfortunately that obviously hasn't happened and and um i never thought that on a monday
night you know i'd be sitting in spaces with um a lot of a lot of like-minded people and a lot of
artists and um you know the journey to the lambo is going to be a lot different more than i thought
um in an amazing way and um i'm really looking forward to more of these spaces with everyone
here i'm i mean i'm sharing the stage with a lot of legends and um a lot of people i uh i really
follow deeply like snooze um you know i'm an alfa fires holder so um not fangirling but it's really
cool to be up here with you and um yeah i hope you guys see you guys more in the future
dude let's fucking go dude legendary always appreciate you man this dude's on the team
helping us make it work over at syndicate create so dude huge shout out to you thank you for being
here man and i do want to hear from two other people in particular to close out this space i'll
throw it over to no face no face my brother you were here since literally the the the space started
it was an absolutely awesome discussion with you man dude what were your thoughts on today's space
oh dude no face are you rugged my brother dude he might be rugged man this is the thing that kind
of sucks about this part of the show is i throw it to people but i do know my brother frosty is
throwing up some emojis dude frosty you had some bomb ass shit you said i did miss a little bit but i
am interested in knowing dude what were your thoughts on today's space my man i thought today's space was
great i i mean i think every everyone threw something into the pot that that that is 100
necessary uh to be successful is not not just in art but i i think in the world because uh you know um
it's it's it's a it's a place you got to make for yourself and unfortunately um uh the world can be
harsh uh you know some people don't understand art uh some artists you know uh you hear the trauma they
went through um to to get there right and and and turn turn the losses in their life or hurt in their
life into into adding beauty to the world right or the or they're trying and so when that can be
misunderstood or not be turned into a passion going into a living um it can be it can be a lot so you
know there was great where like what was just said not just just a minute ago about like i i started my
project to make these dogs and sell some whiskey we're not there i don't have the lambo either
but i'm here i'm up here with you guys sharing sharing these these thoughts and these and these
beliefs and maybe that's the point right to to to bring everything back to that balance again where
it's like this is how we move through the world and if you're adding something of value to it then
just keep trying to show that value and you're going to find the tribe that you're going to fit in
with maybe it's here on web three and trust me the reason why the rest of us want to help you and
someone like me will help you guys too if you need anything come to me i can critique art give some some
advice or whatever um is because we've been there and if i didn't have people helping me
and telling me what i needed to do to improve then i then i wouldn't be where i am so artists got to
support one another and not be competitors and and and and someone was saying about telling truths
yeah you can do it compassionately and not brutally there there is there is a difference and that can be
done and i think artists have a unique perspective on that so we are kind of the gatekeepers of expressing
that whether we do it through our art or we do with our words and i think this space was impeccable
with that today where we debated each other's arguments but not each other as people and we
were super respectful and we got a lot of fucking alpha out there so let's go let's fucking go dude
absolutely dude and i appreciate the energy you brought to today's space man always awesome hearing
from you frosty we haven't talked in a while so it's good touching base with you man glad to hear
you're making it happen but legendary let's get some take from you real quick and then i'll just
wrap it all up yeah sock i just want to give you flowers you and jericho flowers you know you guys
are um you know this is uh meet the artist one and i can only imagine what meet the artist 100 will be
like i think uh you know the space uh doesn't give any or doesn't give enough credit to the artists
um the space does not exist without the artists you know i'm looking at the crowd right now there are a
few artists on there that i've never seen before um but i will be giving you guys a follow and i hope
to see you guys here again um but uh yeah really excited for what you're doing here sock um and uh
really looking forward to the future man congrats dude absolutely bro and thanks for being on for
the ride and frosty i look this will be the last hand and i gotta wrap some stuff up for today but
frosty dude go ahead man oh no i was trying to hit the 100 and i hit the hand so we're good
wrap it up dog dude twitter is fucking it all up bro dude i totally fucking get it but guys
thanks for bearing with me i know i lagged out 100 million times but we made it happen i turned
into a robot but you know it is what it is it's another day here in web three guys if you enjoyed
this show we will be hosting meet the artist every single monday at 8 p.m est and you know i would love
to have you guys i don't have the space link now but definitely follow me and you'll be seeing it
sometime soon i'll be promoting it all next week and i hope to see everyone there for the same kind
discussion and as legendary mentioned this is episode one and we fully intend to hit episode
100 so i absolutely hope to see you guys next week and if you enjoy conversations like this we host them
pretty regularly jericho has pinned our discord link on the top in the jumbotron so if you guys could go
over there join our discord and be a part of our creator community that'd be absolutely fantastic so
we can bring this all up together but guys if you enjoyed this show i will be hosting another show
later today at actually in 15 minutes where i'll be interviewing um i'll be interviewing a solana
founder of cyber frog's name is andy on my show making time which is a one-on-one interview style
show where we learn more about the creators of web three and why they're still here so that is pinned
up there guys all in all it was an absolutely fantastic space i actually just turned out way better
than i thought it would admittedly uh i thought we were kind of gonna shit the bed here but dude we'll
actually fucking pop the fuck off and if it weren't for you guys if it weren't for all the homies you
know we wouldn't have had such an absolutely fantastic discussion but guys you know thanks
again for coming and i hope you all have a fantastic rest of your day bye-bye
