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Meet the DeSci Builders
Recorded: June 9, 2025 Duration: 1:10:10Space Recording
Short Summary
In a recent discussion, Lunko and HyperDisi unveiled their innovative projects aimed at revolutionizing space exploration and decentralized science funding. With Lunko's focus on creating an open-source platform for lunar missions and HyperDisi's Continuous Convertible Grant Framework, both initiatives highlight the growing intersection of blockchain technology and scientific research, paving the way for new funding models and collaborative efforts in the industry.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Hello, everyone. Yeah. We can hear you clearly. What about me?
Loud and clear.
Nice. Okay. I'm happy about that because last time we had the space
with two other projects and my mic wasn't working at all.
This was horrible.
I was trying and nothing, even with my own account,
nothing was working like, and yeah,
we had to reschedule this so I hope
today everything will go
well but
let's let's wait
one two minutes again
yeah perfect we can hear you
well awesome as well perfect
so yeah let's just wait one, two minutes and I will start with the quick introduction, as you know, the story that I share about this.
And then after I will introduce our two beautiful guests today. Thank you. Okay.
I will start this little episode focusing only on Desai with, as you know, a quick introduction
about Desai, a little story that I love to share this kind of story at the beginning
and it lets everyone understand about what is Desai
and why the real world needs science to come in blockchain.
It will let listeners come.
The story will be about three, four, five minutes approximately.
So yeah, people will start to join around in three minutes.
Yeah, sorry.
So yeah.
So today's story, it's about Dr. Denis Law.
Let's get back in the late 1990s.
A scientist, so Dr. Dennis Law, based in Hong Kong, had a bold idea.
He believed it was possible to detect fetal DNA in a pregnant woman's bloodstream,
which could lead to a safe, non-invasive penental test.
At the time, this idea was seen as radical, even unrealistic. Most funding agencies and
institutions didn't believe in the concept or simply thought it was too early. As a result, Dr. Law struggled for years to secure research funding.
His lab worked with very limited resources,
and the scientific establishment largely ignored his efforts.
But he persisted.
Years later, Dr. Law successfully proved the history.
His discovery led to the development of non-invasive penitent tests, known as NEPT,
which are now used around the world to safely detect conditions like Down syndrome without risking the health of the mother or baby.
Today, his work has helped create a multi-billion dollar industry.
But the thing is, it nearly never happened, simply because the traditional research funding system
was too slow and too conservative to support early stage innovation.
Now, here is my link with Desai. With blockchain, you all know there is no bureaucracy.
Everyone can come to blockchain and create whatever he wants.
Nowadays, we start to see the emergence of DSI.
And today we will explain about what is DSI,
why science needs blockchain technologies to go further.
And I have two guests to speak about DSAI and obviously about their project.
So today we have Lunko who will introduce himself about this project,
how long they have been working on it,
and what plan they have on the future,
and what they think about Desai as well.
And the second guest is Hyper Desai as well.
So it will be wonderful, guys. You will see there will be a lot of alpha,
and you will discover two beautiful projects
so yeah let's let's just start with uh with you lunko uh can you give us a quick uh review and
quick introduction about uh what is lunko uh how long are you alive yet or are you still in testnet
i don't know uh what are are you focusing on right now and how
long have you been building this uh etc etc uh hey thanks for the opportunity my name is rod
mamin i'm basically behind the local pfp i'm the founder of lunko I'm space systems engineer. So in a sense I'm a scientific nerd and like
12 years ago I decided to dedicate my life to space exploration. By trade I'm
math and computer scientists. I have a degree from the University of
Rosalind State University in Russia specializing in genetic algorithms or
neural networks and as I mentioned 12 years ago I decided to focus on the
lunar exploration. It was a pretty tough journey, mainly because for most people in the world it sounds crazy.
Like, oh, why the Moon? It will never happen at all.
But I keep pursuing and seven years ago I became a professional space systems engineer.
I've been designing robots for the moon.
And last year, I've engineered an artwork that was launched to the moon on Peregrine Lander.
I started LUNCO, a lunar company, in 2022 to address a critical issue that I faced with while
being developing the robots for the moon. Space teams, space engineers work works in
isolation, often reinventing the wheel. So Lunco, it's a company and we are building a platform to speed up the
knowledge sharing process to reduce the while ago, and now we have a team of people working on the project.
I believe it's correct to say that we are in a testnet as we have one of the
subsystems of LUNCO is the protocol for on-chain mission design we have made a
couple of test things but there is a long way ahead.
I'm eager to learn more about Origo because we actually have, in a sense, some similarities
because one of the things that we want to achieve is to, ultimately, is to build an
open source lunar base. And building an open source lunar base implies that everything, mostly all subsystems, all
hardware or all the software must be open source.
And at this point in time, I believe everyone knows that it's pretty hard to raise funds for your inventions,
for great things.
And even the story that you've mentioned at the beginning
heavily highlights how hard it is to fund breakthrough ideas
and how impactful they could be.
So one of the goals that we want to achieve is to create a system where engineers, not
just professional high-skilled engineers, but everyone who have decent skills, because
frankly there are tons of great people all over the world who has no degree in aerospace, but who could significantly
contribute to open source hardware to space exploration. So to summarize, LUNCO stands for
Lunar Company. Our goal is to build the open source lunar base. Right now our main product
is an open source
platform for collaborative space missions engineering with that platform
we are aiming to make the engineering process faster by improving the
processes to share knowledge through blockchain and we are working on kind of a marketplace built on top of that
system to allow engineers and everyone to make some money doing open source engineering
i believe that's all for now back to you guys
okay that's great and yeah as you said i'm sure that we have many
opportunities to work together as we are building like uh you know just for people who just joined
and don't know about where we go we are currently building a permissionless platform that allow
anyone to create his own token his own deflationary token on base. And just to give you a quick overview, the majority of the fees will be given back to
the community.
And 90%, to be honest, will be given back to the community and to the creator.
And the rest of the token will go to, or we go to Jowey, where they will remain the same.
We will not touch at all the tokens.
So we are focusing also on Deci, all our communication,
to show that thanks to the blockchain
and thanks to what we are building today with Owego,
they will be able to get some funds to conduct their project.
So definitely, we share exactly the same value
and the same vision about what is this size.
So I'm sure that we will have many opportunities
to work together.
And I have many questions because I read already your white paper.
And I will ask them just after HyperDisi if you can do the same,
like give us a quick introduction about what is HyperDisi
and what are you doing, how long have you created this project,
and what do you plan in the future?
And yeah, go ahead.
Thanks for having me. So my name is Raham. I have a degree in biotechnology. And in 2022, I decided to quit academia to work in this area full-time. I have a project called Overlake.bio, which is pretty much an
umbrella for all my projects. And I try to do science in a centralized fashion, so I know firsthand
what challenges may scientists come across when they decide to look into this site,
so when they do their first steps in this framework.
So, HyperDisi is...
Well, it's like an experimental framework for different funding mechanisms.
So it's been around for a year and a half now. And early last year,
we had our first experiments on the Gitcoin platform, distributing some funds and attracting
sponsorships and having matching pools to support these projects. And early this year, we decided to make a step forward and basically look into
tokenomics, token engineering, and novel governance mechanisms. So that's what we are aiming to DSAI scientist-friendly because it's not immediately evident what needs to be done when one decides
to start working in DSAI.
So I've had my hardships, and Rod had them as well, so we decided to kind of combine our experiences, combine our aspirations and launch HyperDSAI
to basically help everyone and establish DSAI as a viable career path in addition to academia and industry.
And as a PhD working in DSAI, I'm like a living embodiment,
living proof that this is possible.
Thanks.
Okay. That's really great because you have both of you passed into science.
Thanks to what you study.
And I have just a question.
Can you give us both of you, you can start hyper-design, like just in three, four sentences, or you can take your time, but like a quick summary of what is design for you? What is it here?
what what what is it here
uh okay uh uh for me this i uh succinctly is a way of doing science leveraging blockchain
and uh this can entail many things and uh like a few months into uh me working in this
i full time i wrote an article on medium called what is my biggest hope for this site and uh for this side to pretty much um satisfy all my scientific
requirements it has to have three components it's funding it has to accommodate access to
web space and provide access to services so when those three things are in place,
so I can do science as I normally would working in an academic institution. So that's what
is right for me. Okay, great, great, great definition that I'm using, scientists in Web3.
Decide about scientists in Web3.
Really clear. really clear it took me a while it took me a while to crystallize it but it's all about community
and i've been in this high community since 2022 and i've met a lot of cool people all over the
world i've attended a bunch of web conferences and at each and every conference I feel that
mostly I'm vibing with people somehow related to design, related to science. So
that definition, while could sound a bit strange and maybe missing a lot of points like you know it's about Sunday funding it's about
decentralized publications all sorts of things but ultimately I have a feeling that
the main point of web3 is all about community and from that perspective decides about a community of scientists or like sometimes
nerds who are in in web3 doing different web3 stuff like participating in governance using
things like uh defy who knows what uh liquidity pools, who knows how to bridge, that there are different
chains, maybe even know the difference between chains. So
that's why, but you know again, ultimately and to simplify everything, DeFi is about scientists who are in web 3.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that's completely true.
OK, so thanks for these two definitions.
We will now dig into your project.
So I will start with you, Linco, and then I
will switch with you, Hyperdesign.
And after this, you will have the time to answer every question for all the listeners who are here.
So you can just request the mic after I ask my question.
And don't worry, you will have the time.
Yeah, so I had a first question. Why integrate Web3 into space mission planning?
Like, what real world problem does it solve,
especially when it comes to data sharing, IP,
or team collaboration?
That's a great question and there are several important points and perspectives so maybe the higher level perspective is that it's an amazing way to basically monetize open source.
Our one of our main ideas is to get to the point when we will be issuing so-called
NFT blueprints. NFT blueprint is like IP NFT but specifically designed for mission-related data.
And with the composability it creates a chain of value allowing design in complex systems,
complex hardware systems that are open source. That's our main goal.
But on top of that, there are all sorts of nice things that you get automatically,
like so-called traceability. Because if you do things on the blockchain, you have like all the state modifications happen automatically
and you always contract who and how and what changed and that's super important when you design space mission,
especially if they failed. When something fails, you want to have as much data
including about the design as possible to be able to figure out what failed to learn the lesson and
make the next time better. And the last thing is that when you do things on-chain, you are forced at some point in time to design protocols.
And you are forced to think of things like interoperability, composability and all sorts of things. That's super important because from a higher level, the way how engineering works right now,
it's kind of a mess of tons of different standardized data going back and forth.
And while there are some standards widely adapted. But designing the protocols, that makes much more sense.
Yeah, so that's basically to summarize three things. Open source for monetizing missions uh nft with the with the nft blueprints traceability
and uh the overall approach of of uh designing different subsists that work through designing on-chain protocols.
Back to you guys.
OK, OK, OK, really interesting.
And I was wondering as well, because I
saw in your white paper that you're using AI.
I have another question about this.
How does your AI-powered space system engineer assist in mission design?
And my second question about this is, can it really replace or enhance the work of human space engineers?
So, several things. Our platform, our simulator, could be used to generate lots of synthetic
So, several things.
data to train AI on, but in principle we are following the approach of humans in the loop. So personally I have doubts that AI would
be capable to fully substitute humans where following the approach of humans humans in the loop. A while ago I've been trained to be a lunar rover operator and
that's changed a lot. Before that I was, I'm from IT, like my background in software engineering. Right now I'm space engineer but like IT one lab.
And I had the bias that everything could be automated but during the training to become
a lunar rover operator most of the time I actually it's not like driving the car it's mostly
it's not like driving the car it's mostly figuring out what are the processes and frankly it's mostly
about communicating to other people every robot every remote system could be controlled through
commands and if you are in IT or like in most cases, we think of sending comments,
like when you press a button, you send a comment.
But in reality, there are also,
tons, there are tons of ways how you can deliver the comment.
And with the space missions,
with the space infrastructure, you actually to train to work
with the other people in case anything fails and in worst case you actually can even just call them
and say hey guys requesting concurrency to proceed to operation alpha bravo 25 and every operation
alpha Bravo 25 and every operation every comment has its own code and you can ask
humans to send that code directly so the whole point is that when you launch
something to space while it's heavily technological in reality it's all about
human coordination and it that experience significantly changed my perception
of doing space stuff and after that I realized that while a lot of things are automated nowadays,
after all there would be a human that observes and looks after things, humans that are trained, not just to control the
system that they are responsible of, but also to interact with other people.
And actually it's mostly all about humans and all the automation just helps humans so same will happen with
everything and that's my personal perception of how AI should be embedded
it should not be substituted should help humans so our system in terms of how it works with AI. It can generate synthetic data to train AI.
And it's just integrated with the AI tools through MCP. So AI Engineer, it's a combination of existing AI tools that can automate lots of things, including finding flows in design.
That's really interesting and I'm really surprised about your answer because obviously I was thinking that you will say, yeah, it will enhance the work of humans,
but replace it at 100%, wow, it's kind of insane.
It's really interesting.
I have just one question, and then I will switch with hyper-design.
One question and then I will switch with the iPad to the side.
Like, okay, what types of scientific research or experiments
are already being played?
Because you told us that you've been in testnet right now.
So being played or simulated,
who will go simulated through Lunco in the future?
who will go simulated through LUNCO in the future?
I'm so happy of your optimism, but we are at early stage. So as of now, we have conducted a couple of
collaborative training when just a bunch of people can control a rover together.
But that's pretty all.
So now we have simulated a Langranus crater on the moon.
So you can find it in our system.
And you can try to land the Starship there,
try to control a bunch of rovers and explore it together with
with your friends and the results could be also we have a really rough simulations of supply chain
i call it supply chain when when it's it's actually a bit more complicated, it's a process of extracting resources.
So we have a built-in system that using a so-called modelical language that allows you to
plan things like, for example, if you want to extract oxygen from the moon,
if you want to extract oxygen from the moon
it's a multi-stage process and like the first stage would be to get
regolith the second stage would be to heat it in
hydrogen environment up to 90c so hydrogen would steal oxygen from oxides then cool it
down so cool H2O down then using hydrodesis to extract oxygen and then
send hydrogen back then condensate oxygen and all sorts of things. So it's also possible to design such chains inside the
simulator and in an interactive way check the output with your friends. So we
have some early alphas and yeah those designs could be published on chain. We are at a pretty early alpha stage.
You can check our GitHub,
and you can build your, like the system by your own.
We have alpha.lumco.space, but right now it's down.
We should relaunch it in around two weeks.
So everything that I have explained right now
would be possible to experience in the browser.
But if you're in a rush, you can just download
the code from our repo and run it locally
on your computer using Godot language.
Sorry, Godot game engine.
And publish some of the designs on chain
in form of NFT blueprints.
OK, OK, OK, really, really interesting.
I have other question, but I will just switch with Hyperdesign
now, and I will come back to you after.
So when I read your white paper, Hyperdesign,
I saw something that is called CCGF, the Continuous Convertible Grant Framework.
So if you can introduce to us what is it?
And I have one question about this also.
What inspired the creation of the continuous Convertible Grants Framework
and how does it address the core funding challenge in science and public goods today?
Okay, thanks for the question um so uh as i mentioned hyper
the sci is um an experimental framework and so we've had this one kind of big issue on our minds
kind of big issue on our minds,
how to make scientific funding in DeSci sustainable.
And having spent a great amount of time in DeSci,
so one thing that we have encountered is that
there are like certain periods of abundance and there are periods
like protracted very long periods of scarcity and so basically uh this side project
uh is always raising like always in the fundraise mode and uh that entails a ton of ops you know and uh operations they are pretty much
incompatible with science and i can attest to that so uh one way of uh kind of mitigating uh
kind of this problem would be to uh provide continuous support to projects until they reach maturity, until they reach financial
stability with the hopes that when the projects do so, they will somehow contribute back to
the ecosystem.
And that's the idea behind the continuous convertible grants framework.
So continuous support projects in a continuous fashion.
Convertible is that we expect the projects after they have reached maturity contribute
back to the ecosystem.
And so the inspirations for this framework come from two different domains. So one would be the SAFE agreement,
which had been introduced by Y Combinator.
So this stands for Simple Agreement for Future Equity.
So basically projects, when they get funding from Y Combinator,
they sign this agreement.
So when they have a running company, like some of the equity had already been allocated to Y Combinator.
And secondly, so hyper in this side, it actually stands for hyperstructure.
Hyperstructure is a mathematical concept.
And it's like a complex structure that captures context-dependent multi-level non-binary interactions.
So basically, we envision a durable system where projects do not exist in isolation but are reliant on each other.
on each other. And this collective effort makes this structure not only durable, but also perpetual.
And continuous convertible ground framework is one of the mechanisms that we want to try
and see whether this would be a solution to our problems.
Well, that's really clear and that's wonderful because you already
answered my second question it was about hyper uh structure so wow good job and um
i had another question on the the ccgf um so one of the key innovations of it is like the real time funding instead of fixed
grand rounds, if I understood well. How does this change the behavior and mindset of researcher
and builder? Oh, so it changes the mindset drastically because we all have a limited bandwidth.
And operations, they take up a lot of my time.
And I sometimes wish that I have some source of income, which I can always rely on.
And this actually frees up a lot of space for actual work.
So I'm trained as a scientist, and my work
is to do research, not fundraise.
So with this framework, we believe that it will nudge more productive work within the ecosystem,
actually allowing scientists to do what they are trained to do, namely research. So, and as an indirect consequence of this, we expect some impact on the rate of innovation.
Well, yeah, we share exactly the same vision on it. Like, for us, scientists, our researchers have to focus only on his work and not taking
his time to find some fundraiser and money.
But yeah, I completely joined you on this.
And well, I was wondering like, how do you see CCGF contributing to broader
public goods behind, sorry, DSI, for example, in open source development,
climate science or health equity?
Oh, this is an excellent question.
Actually, we haven't looked into things beyond this side.
Actually, we haven't looked into things beyond DSI.
So we want to limit our first experiments to the things that we know and things that are outside this side that are related to climate science and like broader activities.
They are kind of outside of our domain of expertise. Yeah, however, if we find a scalable solution.
So we don't expect it to kind of replace
traditional funding mechanisms,
but be something running in parallel to it.
And diversity in that sense is a good thing
because it kind of forms this environment where natural selection can take place.
So as a biologist, I'm accustomed to thinking in biological terms.
Yeah, so we test if we are right and this can be scalable.
I think that would make a world a little bit more sustainable. If we're wrong, okay, so we get the data,
we adjust and we just move on.
Okay, okay, okay, okay.
And kind of the same question,
but just a little bit different.
Like if CCGF, which is mass adoption,
like how could it reshape the entire funding landscape,
not just in crypto, but for like science
and like I would say public goods more broadly?
Oh, it's hard to predict the defects of what we are about to test.
Okay, so we haven't even done our dry runs.
And so maybe in a few weeks, a month, maybe we will start getting our first data in.
And, well, yeah, and then we will kind of proceed accordingly.
So for now, I cannot make kind of generalizable forecasts.
I don't have the data for it.
Yeah, I see.
Okay, really interesting.
I really head back to Lunco. I have two other questions for you. I can't decide, but I will ask them at the end.
engage yet, but if you have already,
how are you engaging with academic institutions
or government space agencies?
I don't know.
And are they open to this kind of decentralized
open source collaboration?
I don't know if you already tried to reach them
or a kind of institution like that, but
if you have the willing to do it in the future, can you share your vision on it?
Yep.
So as of now, mostly we are following a bottom-up approach, focusing on engineers and on in general individuals who work in space so we are
approaching small startups discussing collaboration regarding institutions Definitely, it will be interesting to get engaged and we are working on that, but it
takes some time.
So for example, we are participating in all sorts of space related activities like we are presenting LUNCO at huge space focused global events.
We have applied this year to the biggest and the most important conference called IEC,
International Astronomical Congress, where we hope to get huge attention. But also, as I mentioned,
we are following bottom-up approach and we are
participating in a bunch of activities like for example on a monthly basis there
is a meeting roughly on the monthly basis it's a bit more complicated there is an
activity so called LSEC Lunar Surface Innovation Consortium They hold it's a community led activity, but in terms of community mostly it consists of like
professors of
Carnegie Mellon Mellon University and similar of
Those who participate in the lunar exploration like private companies in
institution those who participate in lunar exploration like private companies in institution just regular
people and that activity is supported by nasa and pretty everyone can jump on their call and even
attend their events in the us in real life and often on those events at some point in time
like one of the main topics regarding lunar exploration is about standardization of interfaces.
All sorts of interfaces at all levels, like how we distribute power on the Moon.
But it starts with simple things like how we standardize bolts and screws that are used and from that to to higher and higher and
higher level like what gps like system and how it should operate on the moon so it's all about a
lot of us about interoperability uh about all sorts of things so from that perspective on those events we are still in this site i hope
when someone mentioned like guys we need the interoperability i often drop a message to to
the chat saying guys but it's already been solved in this side and that message often everyone
sees that message so to summarize um mostly as of now, mostly we've been
collaborating with the individuals and small startups and we are following
conventional approach to promote LUNCO attending the conferences, regular
conferences and having discussions there. But also we are doing all sorts,
let's say, Web3 native shilling when it's applicable, like promoting GSI at some
actually huge events like people who are responsible for Artemis program. And Artemis program is the US program to return humans to the Moon.
At those events, we are doing basic shilling inspired by Web3.
So definitely we'd like to, at some point in time, to everyone to use our system, but
it's a long way.
And we'll get there at some point in time.
We'll have enough resources to make
us use our tech for all sorts of operations, no doubts.
Well, honestly, I hope that for the event, the big event
you highlighted, you will make some contact.
And obviously, your project, they have a lot of good opportunity
for the real world.
And I'm sure that they will enjoy to listen to what you have to say
and to participate and to make some collaboration with you
because you have a great project.
And now, I just want to get your vision on the future
of what is LUNCO.
If LUNCO succeeds at scale, how will it, in your vision,
I mean, how will it reshape the future of space exploration
and mission design?
Well, first of all, we have no doubts or no if.
The only question is when LUNCO succeed,
not if LUNCO succeed in scale.
Our main goal is to build an open source lunar base.
And once we succeed every mission and
every space engineer, every space individual, including lawyers, they will start designing
the mission, even thinking of designing the mission, first opening their computer and and opening our simulator as the first tool.
So we want to be everywhere and to become the fact the industry standard for space mission planning.
And that ambiguity, it's not ambiguity, that presence would open the path to open source lunar base.
So by providing all the necessary tools at a decent open source, a decent level,
we'll make everyone to use our platform to design missions and share mission design.
And that basically would make LUNCO de facto the standard for space operations.
That's our goal, mission and vision.
Wow, OK.
I love your willingness to succeed.
That's wonderful.
I'm sure that you will.
And one last question for you, and then I
will switch back with Hyperdesign.
OK, can you give us the next big milestone for LUNCO in the coming months?
And yeah, how can the Web3 and DECide community support that journey?
And if you want to add anything, feel free to share.
Yeah.
Those are good questions. As Rahan from Hyperdesign mentioned,
we're always looking for funding,
and everyone can support us with the donation on Juicebox.
The next big milestone would be to finalize Alpha version, like technical milestone,
would be to finalize Alpha version and make it decent to design on-surface lunar missions.
It would take a while, maybe a couple of months,
from a couple of months to half a year,
depending on the support that we will get from Web3 community.
At the same time, we are working on partnership with more traditional institutions, so that would be another milestone,
huge milestone.
Feels like at some point in time from Web3 native we would have to become more of a regular company because unfortunately space is heavily regulated and the serious companies they want to to to
communicate with the web two entities so it feels like pretty soon we will open
a blockchain actually based company in Dubai that would be another milestone
and all sorts of things.
It's like playing chess, you know, in a sense.
We are slowly putting all the features in their positions
to achieve our vision.
So from technical perspective, finalization of alpha version.
From legal, finally opening that entity.
From marketing and business perspective,
partnering with the huge brands.
But that's all on the way in plans,
and we are working heavily on it.
OK, great.
Insane.
Thanks for sharing all of this about your project.
It's wonderful.
Well, let's get back to you, HyperDisi.
I have kind of the same question.
So how can someone new to Disi or Web3 get involved with HyperDysi?
And if you want to contribute, how can you contribute to this movement?
Oh, okay.
So basically, the easiest way to reach out to us is look at our profile.
And there we have all the links, especially the link leading to our website.
Like on the website, you will be able to familiarize yourself with all the necessary information. So there are links to our white paper, there are links to all the forms,
depending whether you're applying as a project
or as an individual.
Yeah, there's also a link to our Telegram chat.
So yeah, so we're pretty much available
for like any sort of onboarding. And if people want to contribute somehow and get
involved, we are very keen to accommodate those people and provide all the necessary support.
So yeah, I mean, it's either through our socials
or through our personal accounts.
So we are always ready to answer all your requests.
OK, nice.
And I have one last question.
Same question as Lunco.
Can you share your roadmap and some maybe alpha
on what will come in the future for HyperDecide?
And exactly the same, if you want to share whatever you want
about HyperDecide that you didn't talk about,
yeah, it's the time to take your time, you can switch.
Yeah. uh yeah it's the time to take your time you you can switch uh yeah
okay as uh um as the milestone is concerned so we actually um want to
uh to launch our experiments that have been envisioned in our white paper and actually have this real world hands-on data being generated for our vision. And for this, well, it's a matter of near future, maybe like a few weeks or months into the future but at some point uh yeah we do want to start our
experiments we want to have uh a few projects at first which we will uh support in test mode
just to see how how it goes um um yeah and uh uh later this um uh this week uh we will be having um
later this um uh this week uh we will be having um like a demo day uh for this uh
our side signstone uh where we uh where we are participating in this scientific dawa
governance check um uh well yeah and uh uh eventually we need to iron out our processes,
finalize our tokenomics, finalize our governance.
Yeah, and be actually ready
to start supporting projects big time.
And in the background, it's always fundraising.
So we are kind of on the lookout for the funds
that we can distribute to the project.
HyperDisi operates as this public goods vehicle.
So we want to see Disi thrive.
And my personal mission is to make Disi a place where a scientist like myself can work, earn, aspire, and achieve.
So basically making it as simple as working in any other sort of endeavor.
So simplifying DSAI as much as possible and making it accessible for scientists.
Yeah, I share the same feeling and the same thoughts on this.
This is the goal that we want as well.
So yeah, if anyone wants to ask any question for those two
projects, oh, OK, let's go.
Yeah, you can.
RINCO PEREZ- I have a comment from Ibrahim Aliya S.
Kamina.
I'm sorry if I mispronounced.
It's in comments.
He asks, how do you see the intersection of IDSI
with other Web3 verticals like refi, regenerative finance or a
decentralized identity. So decentralized identity, well it's like the questions
are from my perspective slightly about different things in a sense that we have an engineer profile and that's its decentralized identity. So
one of the features of the platform that we are building on is that engineers could create their portfolio of of their results and uh that's portfolio in the sense their digital
identity sorry decentralized identity and they could refer to it uh but that's about funko that's
not about uh this i however i believe same is applicable to all the
DSI in general like it makes total sense you know one of the main narratives or
important narratives in this side the centralized publication systems and
obviously those decentralized publication systems are heavily relies on decentralized identity.
So from my perspective, trust decentralized identities, everyone, like a lot of projects would and should have to use it.
Regarding ReFi, there are tons of similarities and maybe the main and even like similarities
in projects and maybe the main difference is the focus of the project. So for example,
a lot of ReFi projects, they generating data, and from that perspective you could call them DSI projects.
But that's just a different perspective and maybe the focus of the results while refi projects mostly focused on real-world results and
yeah they have it inside and both projects both types of projects often
could could use their results for everything. Like for example, Research Hub, they
opened, they introduced a new feature to crowdfund for something and you could run a crowdfunding
campaign for coral reef restoration and your coral reef
restoration project would be would be a reply project and if you and then you
can make a publication and then it will become a design project so and like in
reality it'll be the same project but depending on how you frame it it could
be more of a desire more, more of a refi.
I think that in most cases, in a lot of cases, refi projects, they would must to heavily utilize DSI projects, actually.
So all of those things are heavily related.
And while decentralized identity would be used in all the projects, maybe in most cases, ReFi projects would be used in DSI infrastructure
to generate data, and they will continue to DSI by providing information that they have gathered
during their regenerative activities. So that's my perception of the connection between projects to Ibrahim.
No, no.
Where are you going?
Back to you guys.
JOHN MUELLER
Sorry, can you repeat?
Back to you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Thanks for this comment and really interesting opinion on all of this.
Yeah, like as I said, if someone wants to react about what Linco just said
and about both of those two projects, You can ask any question, feel free to request the mic.
And just by waiting during this little time,
just to let you know, guys, that we will, for How We Go,
be live at the end of June.
So once again, Howwego permits to everyone
to launch his own token on our permissionless platform.
And if you have a scientific project,
you will be able to launch your token on Herwego,
and we will support you because we have a connection
with many institutions and some sex as well,
some child exchange.
So feel free to...
I know that I've already been in touch with you on Telegram
and you wanted to launch your token,
so we will definitely continue to talk about this.
And yeah, we're launching also a pre-launch campaign on X
where you can earn some rewards, USDT, just by joining.
So if you want, you can directly look in our Twitter account.
And just, yeah, big, big, big, huge thanks to both of you,
Lunco and Hyperdesai.
It was an honor to have you in this space.
A real pleasure.
We discussed about a lot of things.
And yeah, it was really interesting to dig your project
during this space.
And it was a wonderful episode.
Thanks again for joining this series.
And you can follow them on Twitter, on Telegram, as I said.
Go directly check on their account.
And yeah, thanks everyone for listening.
We will be here next Monday, same hour,
with two other projects, Bullion Base. So I hope you will be there. Have, same hour, with two other projects, built on base.
So I hope you will be there.
Have a good week, everyone.
And yeah, thanks for all.
Thanks for everything.
Thank you so much for the opportunity.
Thanks.
Bye, all.
Bye-bye. Bye bye.
