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Memecoin Madness $pepe, $genslr, $ben, $bambi, $goner
Recorded: May 12, 2023 Duration: 1:06:39Space Recording
Full Transcription
GM, brother, let's get some music going.
Yeah, I will defer this odd beat-bop-y elevator music to you.
Seven years have passed like a cigarette, and some faces gone too fast.
Got no time to regret as many chapters I've read, and no happy end.
I'll play my heart in black and blue, baby.
But I leave an empty space, but for you sometimes it's hard to face the trouble, baby.
Feels like I'm running out of pages, I am running out of pages to the day I find you.
Every piece that I wrote, every word I hold, that I keep getting closer to the day I find you.
And I keep getting closer to the day I find you.
Till the day I'm fine
Till the day I'm fine
Till the day I'm fine
Till the day I'm fine
I should go to bed, but I'm wide awake, counting my heart breaks, maybe I'm losing my head, maybe it's out of my hands, out of my hands, I'll be my heart in black and blue, baby, but I'll leave an empty space just for you.
Sometimes it's hard to face the trouble, baby, feels like I'm running out of pages, I ain't running out of pages, till the day I find you, every piece that I wrote, every word I hold, that I keep getting closer, till the day I find you, every piece that I wrote, every word I hold, that I keep getting closer, till the day I find you.
Till the day I find you.
Until the day I find you
Until the day I find
Until the day I find
Until the day I'm alive
Until the day I find you
Oh my love
Where did you go?
Where did you go now?
I wanna know
With all my love
Where did you go now?
Where did you go now?
I wanna know
Where did you go?
With all my love
With all my love
Where did you go?
With all my love
With all my love
You just have to walk
In your place
And your lies
Around you
You can put a smile
With all my love
With all my love
With all my love
Where did you go?
Where did you go now?
I wanna know
With all my love
Where did you go?
With all my love
With all my love
Where did you go?
Where did you go now?
I wanna know
With all my love
Where did you go now?
Where did you go now?
I wanna know
I wanna know
Where did you go?
With all my love
With all my love
Where did you go?
With all my love
With all my love
You're so beautiful
You're a star
At the world
Where did you go?
Where did you go?
You're a star
With all my love
With all my love
With all my love
Where did you go?
With all my love
Who walked apart
And you were
With all my love
Where did you go now?
You are fun
With all my love
How could I let you?
I just took C.L.
Welcome.
Get some people joining in.
We're just going to play some music for a bit.
Get the room built up.
Let's get gnarly.
I get out my teeth.
I get out my body.
One, two, three.
Let's get gnarly.
One, two, three.
Let's get gnarly.
One, two, three.
Let's get gnarly.
One, two, three.
Let's get gnarly.
I ain't mean to hurt you, baby.
I'm sorry.
Whipping Ariana, honey.
I got I call it.
I got white, girl.
I got black, boy.
I make no lady.
Don't see why.
Like I'm Sean Paulin.
I could have bought a Rari.
But my mama told me to say that money like I ain't got it.
My brother asked me for some money.
I told her I ain't got it.
Even though she know I got it, baby.
I ain't got it.
Welcome, welcome.
Still waiting on a few more to kind of come in.
We're going to get this music playing a bit until we get a nice crowd.
We'll get the conversation going.
But while we're here, go ahead and check out that pin tweet at the top for a giveaway.
And go ahead and knock that out while we're waiting.
I just took Cialis, but she only Molly.
Who you want to boot up?
Who you want to party?
Molly's in the sunny, baby.
Let's get knolled.
I get out my teeth.
I get out my body.
One, two, three.
Let's get knolled.
One, two, three.
Let's get knolled.
One, two, three.
Let's get knolled.
One, two, three.
Let's get knolled.
One, two, three.
Bitch, I'm out to Molly.
All my diamonds, they got E&C.
Cause they retarded.
Bitch, is he stupid?
Look what you just started.
Could have bought a Lambo.
I got Action Martin.
Whoop on ooh.
All my bitches, they coming too.
And I'm so crazy in that future.
Put my dick in her own pussy loose.
Ooh, ooh, god damn.
Whooping up sound.
Put my dick in her mouth.
Put her on the ground too.
Damn it's on my neck.
Get a lot of like a lamp.
Woke up, stand up, in the boot camp.
Ooh.
Little bitch, I told you that you ain't important.
I ain't got no papers, so you got deported.
Ooh.
I woke up in the morning with another Warren.
God damn.
Well, bitch ain't gonna catch me cause I'm still touring.
I just took Cialis, but she only Molly.
Who you want to boot up?
Who you want to party?
Molly's in the sun.
Baby, let's get knolled.
I get out my tail.
I get out my body.
One, two, three.
Let's get knolled.
One, two, three.
Let's get knolled.
One, two, three.
Let's get knolled.
One, two, three.
Let's get knolled.
This next song is going to be about bags and this is what's happening this week.
We'll see you then.
We'll see you next week.
We'll be out.
We'll see you then.
One, three, four.
We'll see you next week.
Bye.
With Moron, we'll see you next week.
All this week.
Bye.
Bye.
Bye.
About Newratos.
with my
badge
with my
with my
you just have to walk
in your place
and your lies
are on you
you can put a smile
on your face
and you lie
of the room
but then you love me
dancing on the floor
alone and now the DJ's
gone and all the lines
surround you see I tried to
find you but I can't describe
you baby only one
let's sing it now
oh my love
where did you go?
where did you go now?
I wanna know
with all my love
where did you go now?
where did you go now?
I wanna know
where did you go now?
oh my love
oh my love
where did you go now?
i wanna know
where did you go now?
oh my love
oh my love
oh my love
oh my love
You're a star, like the work of art, wherever you are, you'll always be the one who got away, and now I can't forget you, how could I let you hit me dancing on the floor, you're another digit's point, and all the lights are wrong, you see I tried to find you, but I can't describe you, gave me only one little statement of love,
with all my love, where did you go, where did you go now, I wanna know, with all my love, where did you go now, where did you go now, I wanna know, where to go, with all my love, where did you go, with all my love, where did you go, with all my love, I wanna know, where to go, with all my love, where did you go, with all my love, where did you go, with all my love, I wanna know, where to go, with all my love, where did you go, with all my love, where did you go, with all my love, I wanna know, where to go, with all my love, where did you go, with all my love, where did you go, with all my love, where did you go, with all my love, where did you go, with all my love, where did you go, with all my love, where did you go, with all my love, where did you go, with all my love, where did you go
all righty you know if this room doesn't fill out very shortly
you're cutting in and out you're all choppy
seven years have passed like a cigarette and some faces gone
got no time to regret as many chapters I've read and no happy end
I'll clean my heart in black and blue baby but I leave an empty space just for you
sometimes it's hard to face the truth baby feels like I'm running out of pages
I am running out of pages
every page that I wrote
every word I hold
that I keep getting close
until the day I find you
that I keep getting close
until the day I find you
till the day I find
till the day I find
till the day I find you
till the day I find
till the day I find
till the day I find
till the day I find
till the day I find
till the day I find
till the day I find
till the day I find
till the day I find
I should go to bed
But I'm wide awake
Counting my heartbreak
Maybe I'm losing my head
Maybe it's out of my hands
Out of my hands
I'll pay my heart in black and blue
Baby
But I leave an empty space
Just for you
Sometimes it's hard to face the trouble
Baby
Feels like I'm running out of pages
I am running out of pages
Till the day I find you
Every page that I wrote
Every word I hold
That I'm getting close
Till the day I find you
Every page that I wrote
Every word I hold
That I keep getting closer
Till the day I find you
That I keep getting closer
Till the day I find you
Till the day I find
Till the day I find
Till the day I find
Till the day I find
Welcome TV, we've just been allowing it to kind of fill up, just join some music here
and then we got some requests.
Looks like here we're going to start just a bit of the conversation, there's nothing
too crazy today, but there's also this giveaway we got with Sidell, it's a nice unrevealed,
these things are pretty, pretty freaking sick, I do say so myself, so go ahead and hop on
that while we're here and waiting, Clancy, welcome up, how you doing?
What's up Clancy, my brother?
Hey, how you guys doing?
Good man, living the Friday life, ready for the weekend, inbound.
Yeah, I got the rest of the day off, I went and poured a foundation slab and then took
off for the day, so I'm just cleaning.
So you're coming over to dig my pool later?
Yeah, yeah, just send me the flight that you paid for and I'll jump on a plane.
And make sure I have a bulldozer waiting.
Yeah, yeah.
Are you buying coins?
Uh, not really right now, I just, uh, I bought a couple XBorgs, have you looked into that project
much?
A what?
The XBorgs that, uh, Brando was kind of shilling like four or five months ago, and they're attached
to the BNFT, that big AI thing that's happening right now that everyone's kind of going crazy
about.
Oh yeah, no, I hadn't heard about it, I have to poke it around.
Of course, I've had my attention turned to shit coins like everybody else, because the
NFT space came to a grinding halt.
But, um, yeah, I mean, it's, there's so much going on, I mean, the, there's, you know, the pump and
dump that we all saw, you know, in what, 2021, 2020, 2021, I think this is just the beginning
though, I think these are good indications that the space is ready to take off again, I think people
are just waiting, you know, for something to really get it rolling, right?
Like Pepe kind of showed us that, okay, there's still people around, there's still, you know, when
something really grabs, there's going to be people that FOMO in.
And so now it's a matter of, you know, can, can the space and can the industry ride off of that
Pepe and, and bring the next thing to the next thing like we saw back in the book?
Yeah, exactly.
Well, there's clearly money that people want to spend regardless.
Definitely.
You know, it's definitely one of the main topics we're going to bring up here along
with the AI as well, is just this, uh, this whole meme coin season, you know, these, uh,
patterns we see of the FOMO and the trends and even just in the charts as well, right?
Yeah, absolutely.
I mean, I still think we're, you know, we're still in that, that space where, you know, for
me, like I go into the telegrams and for me, I like to see what people are saying, not only
about the project, but it gives me a good idea of like what, where people's headspace is
at, right?
In terms of the masses, I call them, right?
Just jump in any one of these meme coins telegrams and just sit there for a half hour and watch
what goes by.
And it gives you a really good idea of why people are getting in, like at what level people
are getting in.
Like, are we seeing a lot of people buy it and, you know, for five bucks, 50 bucks, 5,000
bucks, where's the space really going and what's happening?
I think, you know, still where we have to get out of is that we're still onboarding a lot
of people in countries with very little, um, liquidity, right?
And although obviously every project that I've seen and every telegram pretty much, you know,
there are exceptions, uh, all say, you know, we're all out here preaching, don't invest
what you can't lose.
It needs to be extra money.
Don't spend your food money.
Right.
But you know, none of these people hear that they see one person do well, right.
And that gets advertised up by whatever project they blew up in made life changing money and
everybody else thinks they can do the same.
And unfortunately it's so rare for that to happen that more often than not, we just see a
bunch of people get wrecked.
And ultimately that is not good for the space in onboarding the masses to a place where we
have an industry.
Right.
You know, it's like, this place is too small to be using our own people that we're trying
to bring in as this exit liquidity to keep trying to get rich.
And then you kind of end up with the same handful of people here.
So a lot of people forget, you know, a lot of people start their journey coming into crypto,
then they tend to find NFTs in my experience, right?
Usually it's crypto first and NFTs.
And, you know, the more that we tend, we want to bring in to empower the space, the more
those people get fed off of.
And it's like, we're turning out our own audience by doing this.
And in my opinion, you know, as an artist, there's a nightmare here on the Narsfuck profile
today.
It's really detrimental to the idea that we're here for this art.
You know, we all want to make a little money.
Of course, that's the appeal of some of this investment, right?
And it's been a little bit of a jaded factor for a lot of people seeing these meme coins
pop in and people 10x, 100x, and they think everybody, that's what everybody does here.
Yeah, absolutely.
And I think you said something very interesting to me there.
You said, well, they come in and, you know, we have these NFTs and we all want to make a
little bit of money, you know, and people don't know about this investment, right?
Well, that's just it.
NFTs are still being seen as an investment.
Luckily, and some of them really can be.
But I think the thing that really kind of gets left by the wayside is the investment of the
crypto value of the NFTs rather than where the NFT itself is going.
You know, you got plenty of projects that have amazing floor prices and some that don't seem
very amazing.
But for instance, if you were to have minted those projects during this time last year when
Ethereum was dropping down below $1,000, you could turn around now today and sell those
very same NFTs for the same price that you minted and basically doubled.
So where people kind of just lose track of the overall picture here that we need to keep
some growth in these coins that we have facing and not just the projects, you know, as they're
both part two, part two hands on the same body that we need to kind of like respect one another.
Yeah, absolutely.
100.
I mean, there's only so much liquidity in the space, right?
Until we open up in a way that, you know, the masses and mass liquidity is coming into the
industry.
It's all just money getting shifted around, right?
We just saw it.
It all just poured out of NFTs.
All the floor prices dropped as people tried to cash out that liquidity and move it into
these meme coins to try to make money, right?
So this is the cycles of crypto that we've seen.
Where the real breakthrough is going to come is when we start to break these cycles where
NFTs become more than a piece of art or a community that you invest in when, you know, I hate to
use the word utility because I think it's overused, but in terms of when we start using the blockchain
without knowing that we're using the blockchain, mass adoption is going to come and people aren't
going to care about what that thing is worth per se.
They're going to care what it does and what it gives them access to as opposed to potentially
being able to flip it, which I think is the bulk of why people buy NFTs today, right?
There are certainly ones that people buy for life and are solely connected to those communities
and will never give that one up, right?
But for the most part, the DGENs that are in this space are so because they've made money
doing that very thing, buying low, waiting for more people to get in and selling it for
hire, whether it's a coin or an NFT.
When we can get our space beyond that, that's when we're going to see world changing events
from this technology, I think.
Definitely, because, you know, in that regard, some people think that they're playing this process
out in a healthy manner, but then they're, you know, kind of forgetting that this kind of idea
of a floor price, right?
If you're going to sit there and preach and or whine about floor prices and yet cry out
that you are a diamond hand holder, these prices shouldn't matter to you.
You should be holding on to them for the sheer value that they are on the Ethereum chain.
Maybe they have certain membership additives, you know, because a lot of times it's not
utility.
It's just membership or access to merchandise, you know, honestly.
There's very few that have a legit utility.
So really, it's just like choose a culture you want to be a part of or that you love or
something that's, you know, you got some value because it's on a blockchain, you know,
like Ethereum or Solana or something that has some room to grow, right?
And then holding on to these things for the crypto rather than just the project and the
floor price.
Yeah.
I still think that people fail to see, I call it the pizza dilemma and it's the people who
bought pizza with Bitcoin when it came out, right?
They, people just don't see 10 years down the road.
They don't see that potentially what you're holding could be that Bitcoin one day.
And I truly believe it will.
Things like Ethereum with its deflationary processes are going to make it much more valuable
in the future.
You know, there's this squeeze point going to come between whether it's being used to
do things or held like Bitcoin as a value going up.
And this is this crossroads we're in, right?
Bitcoin's facing it now, right?
Like it's been this, this value for nothing.
Now we see ordinals.
Now we see people trying to push the use of it.
What does that do in terms of its value and wanting to spend it?
So layer twos, right?
I think are really where the technology is going to end up living one day because it's
just going to be unaffordable to do anything on each one day.
It will have to be in terms of why you would want to hold that coin.
But in terms of usability, that's why we invented layer twos.
Yeah.
And, you know, and like you were saying earlier, too, with the just kind of use case scenario
with different things, like I'll touch on the Bitcoin here real quick.
It's just, you know, and people that understand these patterns is that they understand that
at these different intervals of a different like four to five years, you could have bought
Bitcoin and seeing that there's growth, but nobody wants to sit on that, you know, four
or five years, six year investment, even though they've seen the history, they've seen that
holding is going to mean, you know, growth.
But there's just not that patience.
But I think that you hit the nail on the head where it's like we need this blockchain technology
to become such a fluid aspect of our lives.
You know, honestly, in my opinion, we need to stop segregating Web 2 and Web 3 as this idea
in our head of two separate things because they're all becoming one.
We're already utilizing crossovers in so many different ways.
But once the day of like sovereign blockchain identity comes into play and you could put
your car note, you could put your house title, you could put, you know, your ID and everything
on the blockchain, we're slowly already moving that direction with the way that our phones
are, smartphones, everything's touchless.
You know, people whine and cry about banks and real money, this, that, and the other while
they're not using touching money at all.
You know, you're using your tap pay on your phone.
You're using your transfer page, Venmo's, we're already built to start this merge into
the next level of technology in the future.
Once it becomes seamless, we stop pointing out the differences and people will just kind
of start looking around and be like, oh, I'm in Web 3.
I just didn't realize it.
Hey, thanks for joining us down there, Queen.
Welcome, welcome.
Yeah, that's a really great point.
You know, that people are still stumbling around between Web 2 and Web 3.
And I mean, remember the days when people did, you know, I'm not sure how old you are, but
I remember the days when people did dial up to AOL and it was, you know, there were all,
you had to jump through hoops to get to Web 2, right?
It wasn't this, it lived everywhere.
It was on your phone.
It was anywhere you wanted to access something, right?
Like, if you left your house, there was no internet back in the day, right?
The only internet lived on an actual hard phone line that made a horrible sound when you
dialed it up, right?
You know, fun fact, most people didn't know you could turn that off in the BIOS.
Right, right.
Yeah, actually go in and turn it off.
Exactly.
But, you know, these are the fun sounds of the 80s.
We evolved to this place where, yeah, Web 2 disappeared, right?
It became integrated and that's where Web 3 has to become, but we're all so early and
I think we get lost in that sometimes.
A lot of these people, and I don't like to make, you know, blanket statements, but a lot
of people in the space you see in these communities getting bent out of shape, you know, why isn't
this and how come it's not done yet?
And don't realize that technology, like the stuff that drives the actual web, took decades
to build out.
And really, if you look at what we have now, the worldwide web, I mean, you're talking it
took the better part of 50 years to build it out.
So looking at things in terms of, you know, Bitcoin's probably been around and really Web
3, like we're talking about today, five years.
I mean, it really hit the explosion three years ago, what I call the next phase where
it onboarded a lot of people, but we are still so early that this expectation is out there,
it seems, like, why isn't it happening now?
And I think this is why the bear market has been a good thing for our industry, is it slowed
everybody down and it allowed these teams to step back and say, look, the market is what
the market is.
We can't do anything about that, but this gives us time to continue building with, you
know, the investments they took in during that bull market, right?
What I think people fail to realize is that a lot of that money was cashed out into stables
for these entities, these projects, these companies, and they're using it to pay their people,
to build technology, and it's happening.
It's an exciting time to be here, I think.
We're so early.
If you are one of these people who wants to jump into a meme coin and expect that it's
going to 100x, like, I'm sorry, I feel like you're lost in the swamp, right?
Because, really, the only people who are really going to make money on that are the people
who already have money in this industry and in life.
One thing I discovered very early in those, and then really in any coin trading, if you're
trying to do things quickly, right?
You're not a long-term holder where you don't care.
I get in.
10 years from now, that'll go up and I'll cash it out.
That's great.
If you're looking to get in and out in hours or days, you've got to have substantial liquidity
to park into these coins if you expect to make money, right?
For somebody, for the average person to put $50 in and expect that it's going to go through
the roof, it just won't.
It will take days or weeks if it even goes up.
And as that goes up over those days or weeks, the problem is the gas is going up, so your
profits are getting eaten up, and so now you have to wait longer.
And the longer you wait to make that profit with the small amount you put in, the less
chance there is you're going to make a profit because most of the stuff starts to go down.
Right.
And, you know, like people are starting to face right now, too, with everything.
The meme coins go in a bit of a pump, popularity coming back.
Like, gas is going up, even on this gas-efficient contract.
And some of these people still don't know the days where I was humbled right out the gate.
First NFT I ever sold, I sold for almost $500, cost me almost $180 to send it to the person.
You know, and those were the big, you know, the high points of a theme.
And we loved it.
But to be a player in the game, you needed to have money and needed to be prepared for it
because, yeah, like you said, you're going to be making money, but that money value,
that, you know, the crypto value that you're making money off of is going to change the whole market.
And that was a pretty humbling experience, you know, going from that, kind of like,
oh, you know, kids these days don't know what we went through type of vibe goes to your head.
And it's, you know, like, we're so early that, you know, we can learn from these things and rebuild.
And the most common, you know, thing I found from last year is dip and everybody just thinking, buy everything.
So at the end of 2021, it was just like, buy everything, get every artist making NFTs.
It didn't matter what was going on.
People were buying it because it was going to go big in their eyes, right?
And that's kind of where I got brought into this whole, this whole, you know, vision in this game.
I think last year really weeded out a lot of the dude bros.
The guys are just a bunch of friends that came together and like, we can do this.
Which, I mean, there's nothing wrong with that.
It's kind of the dream in this new frontier, right?
But it weeded out the ones that just wanted to jump in for that 100x.
And, you know, and then the rest kind of learned as they went and evolved.
And they started out like that and realized, okay, we need to change gears.
And then there's the rest that knew how to work businesses and build a business.
And then they're getting wrecked by all these kind of like fad chasing situations.
But my most common problem I find with this growth in this space is that people aren't willing to come be heard.
I don't know if that's kind of like trailing away from my original topic a little bit.
But the more and more I talk to people and they're just like, oh, crypto is bad with the environment.
Or this, that, or the other.
And they just have all this to say about crypto.
But they will never, ever, ever say that they will come in here and ask questions.
Have their opinions heard.
Have their questions answered.
Or even just understand what we're doing here.
And they're just so ready to be abrasive and against it because it's something that's just not their thing.
Or something that they're interested in.
Or honestly, they're probably not really worried about savings in general or anything to do with anything more than, you know, what's in front of them.
Not planning ahead.
Yeah, I agree.
I think it's funny.
The space we're in right now, you can't onboard the public through the public's perception of something.
Because that perception is typically driven by controlled media, right?
Like, where are these people you're talking about that are saying, oh, crypto is bad for the environment.
Or I don't want to get into that.
Or I hear terrible things.
Like, where are they hearing that, right?
They're hearing it from mass media, right?
They're hearing it from the federal government, you know, through the channels.
This is the game that's played, right?
So, as people in the space, like, I like to go back to Web 2 and talk about it, right?
Because what do you think?
You think, like, Steve Jobs and, you know, the creators of the original internet and everything were, like, just sitting around waiting for somebody to tell everybody to go use it?
They were out there showing their friends and family every day.
This is what I built.
Check this out.
Look at what it can do, right?
So, I found it very interesting.
I was in our Tok Tok space, I think it was a couple weeks ago, and a gentleman was talking about, you know, onboarding people, saying, hey, I put up a sign at the front of my subdivision, everybody knows me, that said, Web 3, learn about it.
You know, whatever his name was, Steve's house, 8 o'clock Tuesday night, right?
And he managed to get nine people in his community to come, sign up.
He got them wallets.
They bought their first NFT.
He's like, and now they light me up on texts all the time asking me about everything.
But what has he done?
He just got nine more people, right?
So, imagine if the 9,000 wallets that are holding in crypto today all went and got nine people.
I mean, holy crap, we'd actually have an industry.
So, this is the mindset that all of us have to continue to have as people in the space.
If you want to see the space grow, if you want your investments to grow, if you want, you know, to become the next Microsoft and the projects you're in, then more people have to come in the space.
And the way to do that is find people that don't know about it, right?
Whether they are sour on it, and you can maybe have a discussion and show them, or they don't know nothing about it.
But it really is.
It's up to us to go find them and grab them by the hand and say, hey man, hey lady, you're missing out on some really cool stuff that's going on.
Because you're afraid of this, or because you're not being presented with it the right way, come and let me show you the good of crypto, and let you decide if maybe you want to be a part of that.
What I always try to sell it on, of course, is the communities, right?
We've shifted into this world where everybody's connecting from home, and it's become much harder.
I mean, I hear this from my friends, my kids, you know, my acquaintances, their kids.
It's hard to find friends.
Where do I meet people, right?
Like, if you're not in school as a youngster, where you're obviously interfacing with lots of people on a regular basis, as you come out of that mode, as you come out of high school, college, you know, you come out of the educational section of your life,
it becomes much more difficult these days, especially, to find adult friends that you didn't meet before.
What have we all gravitated towards?
I mean, it started with COVID, but it became this online community finding.
And there are some other places, right?
Facebook, Twitter communities, things like that.
But what we've managed to gather up into the crypto space is that ownership in those communities, right?
As opposed to it just being a board, you know, a place where people get together and talk.
You're actually allowed to have some ownership, potentially have some say, and really share ideas and common goals with people like yourself worldwide.
And that's what I try to sell crypto on.
Clancy, my brother.
Yeah, I totally agree with what you guys are saying.
And I do find that all these communities really help a lot of people who are lonely or just, you know, it's tough finding friends for people sometimes.
And like you were saying, and I think these communities really help a lot of people, especially their self-esteem and stuff.
Because I'm sure there's lots of people who are by themselves that are, you know, just looking for someone to talk to and stuff as well.
And when you find a good community that you jive with and stuff, it definitely helps them out.
But that being said, I got to dive out and go pick up my kid.
But it was nice talking with you guys, and I'll meet up with you guys again later.
Thanks for coming up, brother.
Hard hats rule.
Yeah.
See you later.
Yeah, I mean, I don't think I could have said that better.
I mean, the amount of, you know, the way that this space and crypto and really technology now has allowed people to connect that potentially did not have a way to connect with others, I think is amazing.
I think AI is going to be an amazing way for these type of people to create and connect with people.
Go ahead.
Big time, big time.
You know, that's something that, you know, I've actually been talking on recently with some other, like, smaller friend groups and more, like, kind of DGEN spaces.
It's just like when, you know, and this kind of comes up in the area of more drama, right?
Which is just going to happen when people congregate.
So, you know, don't even worry about drama.
Drama is just where people are.
It tends to happen.
But, you know, we're talking about that same factor where there's a lot of these people that are in this space now who would never really be, you know, like we both, we are, you know, like Clancy and you were saying, like, they don't really have that kind of same drive to go out and do something.
They don't have, like, a fantasy football team.
They don't go out and hang out at some clubs, you know, not like saying dance clubs, you know, and they don't have different, like, archery club even.
Oh, and they're not really gamers.
So they're not in any metaverse of social rings.
So here it's almost like you start to see, you know, you see people actually connect and they actually have a community and they have a voice again.
And they have that kind of, like, social, that's, this is it, you know, they get that social high as well.
And that's going to be the one big, you know, whatever it is that you want to onboard somebody in, sometimes that might be the sales point.
Like, I've always been very good at just finding what somebody is about and aligning what I do to their interests.
You know, if you see somebody that's got a wall of Hot Wheels cars, clearly they're into collecting stuff, you know, in the long term, right?
So you just start talking to them about the digital collectibles that you didn't even know that you're messing with and the stuff that you're building.
And then they start to get a little interested, you know, and once you speak to them on their terms, it's like I could spend most people's interest into something that they could find here.
Or how it ties, you know, when they start thinking this is ridiculous, then you start kind of, like, breaking down their very own hobbies.
And then they realize it's the same thing in a different, you know, cover.
So it can be easier to just find out what the person's interested in, or maybe what they're lacking, and then just nudge them in that direction towards Web3.
Yeah, that's an amazing point.
And let me take that a step further.
You had said something about, you know, people who potentially are alone and looking for some connection.
You have these people out there, too.
The invention of the PFP has, I think, you know, revolutionized the digital realm in a way that we haven't seen, right?
Like, people used to put their picture up on Facebook, right?
But this has completely changed now, right?
People have engaged PFPs, I mean, to the point of we've talked about digital IP, but they have become these PFPs, right?
People have bought still images for tens of thousands of dollars or more, and to represent themselves, right?
Because for whatever reason, they don't want to be, you know, represented by their actual face and their actual identity, which I can't blame anybody.
I mean, in today's world, who knows what's happening and who's coming for you, right?
Right.
And that's been a long appeal for online in the first place.
Yeah, exactly.
Why go online?
Yeah, because it allows me some measure of anonymity.
But I think this is the big brain of blockchain, right?
Is, okay, so the regular web allows me anonymity in a way that nobody can verify me or find me, you know, without court orders and stuff, right?
But blockchain allows you anonymity, but gates it in a way that, okay, we may not know who you are, but we know you belong to this community.
Or, you know, we know that you have some measure of say or we've given you this role because you have something to give, right?
There's some controls in place really that allow a shaping of a community much more than, you know, I'll call it the blather that goes on on some of the platforms, which you just can't find community because there's just so much noise going on.
But when people begin to embrace this idea that they can be whoever they want and not in a bad way, obviously, they'll always be bad players.
But I had somebody talking to me the other day about, you know, the other project I'm involved with, which is motion capture for your digital identity from an NFT.
And so I had somebody telling me, you know, I have a friend who would want to get into this and own an NFT because all she wants to do is make online content about like home stuff, right?
She's like, you know, a homemaker person and does things around the house.
She's always wanted to have a site, but she works for a big company in a very big position and she cannot be like out publicly like that.
How many people have that?
How many people are CEOs of companies who still want to go home and have fun and have a YouTube channel potentially, especially now as younger people begin to sit in these positions of power and with the whole, you know, space or world is looking at them.
I can go create a channel that doesn't have my face, had nothing to do with me and I can do whatever I want.
You know, and that's one big thing that really combines like that same crowd that's into the collecting into the kind of, you know, quote unquote nerdy stuff, right?
That's into gaming and the clouds that are socialite, the crowds that are socialites and like, you know, like fashion.
Because I think NFTs are just now hitting their stride with trade trading and being able to change the metadata.
I think this is the point because I think we're a little behind the time not doing this because like what I was just saying, this will make sense in a second, with those two categories is personalization and vanity items.
For the same reason I would buy, you know, some mount on Elder Scrolls Online is the same reason somebody would buy a Gucci handbag.
You want to be seen wearing it and you want to be seen flaunting this thing that costs a lot and isn't easy to get, you know?
And that's another thing people here love is that there's this, you know, vanity personalization as well.
So not only do you have to create who you are, you have to create this character, you have to be a character in this community, but then you get to go further and be like, well, I'm this one with 3D glasses, you know, because that's my vibe, you know?
And the same reason somebody wants to go buy themselves a Rolex, you know, you go ahead and get yourself like a nice NFT here because you want to wear it and you feel good wearing it and it becomes this addition to your character.
Like, I started messing around with my friends and just really treat life like a video game nowadays.
Like, I went and I got it, I got it, my nose repierced recently, right?
So I was just like, yeah, I just added some new traits to my avatar rather than saying I went and got a nose piercing, you know?
It's like color my hair.
Oh, I just changed my avatar's hair.
You know, I mess with my friends like this.
So, but it's just like Netflix, you got to go check out Run for the Money because it's, I think it's a Chinese game show.
We're watching it.
It is like a video game in real life.
Like they are running around in a video game.
You know, and that's what people want.
They love this stuff.
They love being this character and we're, you know, we're giving it for, you know, we're building it for them.
And like you said, we're just so early.
There's still going to be a lot of like rough patches.
But at the end of the day, people love being their character, whether it's themselves or a more enhanced version of themselves or something totally different.
Absolutely right.
I think even more so than being, they like being themselves.
They like the ability to choose when.
I want to be myself today and then tomorrow I want to be a bunny rabbit or I want to be, you know, this character.
Yeah.
And it's very cathartic for those who have social, you know, social, you know, disabilities that keep them from having the same social lives.
They can have that comfort and be in a comfortable skin.
Yeah.
And I think, you know, what you were talking about with trading, we're going even a step further now, right?
So with trading and changing things, you can find something you identify with and you purchase that.
Like you said, you step into it, right?
And whether that's one or six different projects or whatever, you step into it and decide, you know, this is the only one I want to wear.
Or this is the one I want to wear for the next hour, right?
But where I see the space going, especially in some of these larger projects and some of the technology that my project is working on in the background is not just to be able to take in the traits, but to be able to actually purchase a different type of NFT and put it on your NFT, right?
So like you were talking about a Gucci handbag or, okay, well, now we're starting to talk about digital wearables, right?
So we're getting to the point where we're starting to create these 3D avatars.
And in all of these different projects, you're starting to see them beginning to develop that tech.
They're trying to come out with, whether it's space filters or, you know, the 3D files for people to take and do what they want.
This is the very beginning of that full avatar.
And when you have that full avatar, it'll be able to wear all the stuff that you and I can wear, just like you said.
Yeah, I'm going to get a nose ring for it.
I'm going to, you know, oh, there's different hair I can swap out.
There's different jackets and boots and whatever we can imagine we'll be able to do.
And that's when the real personalization kicks in, right?
Because now I buy something that I potentially like and identify with, and then I customize it to really become me.
Yes, and we do it with everything.
You know, that's what I love.
It's just there's so many aspects of our lives that people don't realize that they're already about.
You know, whether it comes to this customization, if you're even just buying clothes and cars, or even to AI, you know, if you want to get back on the subject of AI, it's like AI has been a part of our lives just under our noses.
You know, whether it's NPCs in a game, you know, the enemies that you're fighting in the storyline, this is AI that's running a lot of this stuff.
You know, when you're looking through search engines, it's already AI that was there helping you along with these search engines.
It's just now that AI can talk back just because it's compiled a lot of words that we've given it, and we've given it the, you know, the algorithm, the code to be able to talk back.
Now people are looking at it in a different light, looking at it more as an intelligence, right?
But it's like AI has been there since we've been building programs.
Yeah, absolutely.
It's, I think the real thing is, like, think of, we've been building programs for, you know, since probably the 60s, I think is when they were using computer cards, like for the moonshot and stuff.
Those were programs, even.
So, yeah, we've been building these programs, and the big difference between then, but what I see as the line we've been running up towards is everything was disconnected, right?
You talk about the Internet of Things now, right?
Well, that's what has birthed AI, is the World Web, the ability for the program that has been written that we call AI to access everything that it needs, and that's all it really is, is you're just telling it, look, if somebody asks about this, go reference this, and it does it in a way that it's able to learn from that.
And I think that's obviously been the real breakthrough that I think a few people still don't really understand, right?
You think about AI, but the real underlying term we need to keep talking about is machine learning, machines that learn from other machines and themselves.
Just like, you know, then that's just like any really growing mind and survival mode is just recognizing a pattern, you know, and then the machines are,
we're telling them to recognize these patterns.
So, you know, they're only feeding off of the same energy we give into it.
And I think it's funny when we were having this discussion with some other friends the other night about responses that different AIs give, like, say, the Snapchat AI.
So I was being a little facetious with the Snapchat AI, right?
And I'm talking about going to take my meds and have some caffeine, and I tell my AI, I'm going to go do some drugs and start my day.
And the AI is just like, oh, no, you shouldn't do that.
That's not healthy.
And I was just like, I didn't tell you what drugs I was taking.
Like, how dare you just assume?
And then they're just like, oh, you know, I just want what's best for you.
And I'm like, it's biased because humanity is biased, you know?
And we're just like, like, I'm trying to catch these AIs and little traps here and there sometimes, you know?
And like I said, I was saying, I'm going to go do drugs today, right?
But it's just like people often forget that caffeine is the most widely taken psychoactive drug in the world.
So to the AI, it thinks I'm going to go out and do something criminal rather than I'm going to take my medicine for the day and a little upper.
That is hilarious.
That is a great way to do what is exactly called the Turin test, in essence, where you ask a machine a series of questions.
And in the actual Turin test, there's actually a set series of questions you ask.
But in essence, you did like your own little Turin test, which is to ask a machine a question and then try to determine whether you're being spoken to from a machine or a person.
And obviously, you know, those are some of the things that you uncover, like it biases towards certain things.
You know, typically machines are very literal, right?
So like you said, drug, it didn't think medication.
But if you'd have said medication, it would have thought, oh, it's okay.
Even though the term you could be using medication could be illegal drugs, right?
So this is, that's that trap we're still caught in until, and that's why I'm not worried about AI taking over, right?
Because until it's able to process data in a way that's actually able to fool us, I mean, on a high level, where you're able to ask it questions.
And in essence, it's feeding you back answers that are idea-based, where it has not fed you an answer put together from a bunch of things.
It has, in essence, created that answer.
We are getting closer and closer and closer.
I think the breakthrough that will allow us to have a machine do that is going to be the processing power.
And we got stuck in a chip shortage, and so I think we fumbled the ball a bit.
But it's coming.
Yeah, that's a good point that you made there, is because I try to tell people that are very, very, very much dreamers in this ready player one type atmosphere,
which I think augmented reality will come first rather than an immersive game, honestly, right?
And I tell them, it's like, do you even understand the server capacity and the type of processing power that would be involved with something on that level?
Well, we have nothing that could manage that smoothly.
In the bandwidth, even, right?
Exactly.
Yeah, most people are still on, you know, basically dial-up in most countries.
It's hard enough for them to identify the difference between AAA and AA gaming, you know?
And even in, like, our own talks with different game developers, you can't even approach some of these people for mid-level gaming,
like, say, single-to-AA gaming, without $30,000.
And they think they're going to go make the next Halo.
Right, right.
Yeah, I mean, it takes so much.
I mean, I can tell you from a technology company standpoint, two years and hundreds of thousands of dollars later.
Like, developing...
Yeah, I should say that $30,000 was just for the first initial, like, build of a character in, like, a story.
I forgot to mention that.
Oh, I was...
Yeah.
I was thinking it was just to let you sit down at the table.
Basically, honestly, it is.
You better have that $30,000 in your pocket to sit down and talk shop, you know?
And then you better have triple that on a budget, because, like, inevitably, that's what I've found out in technology.
Whatever you have budgeted, you better triple it.
Especially if you're developing something from a standard, you know, you have somebody developing an iPhone app for you that does the same thing as 20 other iPhone apps.
Of course, it's different.
But when you're trying to really develop new technology that nobody has ever written code that it does it, you better triple the timescale and you better triple the cost, because you are never going to run into Roblox.
I tried to do the exact same thing in my Genesis project with the stuffy bunnies, and that was one of the huge kind of innovation we had was with the IRL objects having a kind of scannable RFID chip that would be able to be scanned with an app to, you know, retroactively give you an NFT from a real object at a store, right?
And to write this app was going to be about $25,000 minimum to build it, because it doesn't exist yet.
Yeah, absolutely.
And that's, you know, from an app standpoint and an NFC, you know, connection, like when you start talking about now blockchain connectivity, and then on top of that, you want to add security.
I mean, the money just starts falling out of your wallet, like, you don't understand that developers warrant huge wages to do this, because these things take hours and hours and hours of coding.
Now, where I see us going, and I think the developers need to take note, is things like AI are going to potentially make it easier to do the repetitive things of coding, right?
Well, this code's already been written.
I don't know how to write it.
And so you ask it to help you, and it basically writes it.
And that, I'm hoping, will bring down the cost of development, you know, in terms of that midline development, but still, that cutting edge stuff, that breaking new ground, what I'm hoping is these people who were doing the mid-level development will say,
oh, crap, AI is taking a dent out of my work, I need to get better, learn more, and move up to the next level.
And that means we get more high-level developers, and their cost per developer goes down a bit, so that more companies can build.
I'm glad you bring that up, too, because as an artist, there is that discussion in that community as well.
So people seem, you know, so threatened by this AI, but I feel like those that are threatened by it are not working at their full capacity.
You know, they get stuck into a style that they're comfortable with, becomes their style.
And, you know, I decided to push myself early on.
Digital wasn't even really my game.
I did ink and paper.
I do tattoos.
You know, I had a style.
And it was because I couldn't afford a lot of the things to make big, colorful projects and stuff like that.
So I just got used to not doing that.
But coming into the space and investing in myself and my equipment, I really expanded what I could do.
And then this rise of AI started threatening everybody.
I was just like, you know, at first, I did have a lot to say against it, mostly in the way it was presented.
I did not like how people would pretend that they had spent, you know, it was like lying by omission.
You know, they say that they spent hours creating this art, but it was all through AI prompting,
which does take time to get good at, you know, in retrospect from what I've learned.
But, you know, it was just how it was presented.
And I find the only time I really have trouble with this kind of situation is how people present it.
And they try to hide these things because they don't feel comfortable in what they did to create it.
You know, I won't give any extra, like, words to that.
But in my own situation, I saw it as the next medium.
It's like, I have to master this now or fall behind.
So I've already even dropped a whole collection for another project by doing this as well.
And just learning AI and learning what an artist can do with AI as opposed to just suffering it.
You know, because you take it, you post edit it, you refine it, you learn these prompts, and then you refeed it through.
I used AI to create a completely pancake generative collection.
You know, instead of just doing one of ones, you know, I worked this model, and I worked this AI, and I figured out the prompts, and I figured out what I needed to do.
And then I was able to cut out individual traits and create trait files for a generative pancake layer AI-enhanced hand-drawn project.
Probably one of the first on the scene.
You know, I've even talked to other AI creators that are more in the one-of-one AI creation field that are really good in doing the same thing, kind of harnessing this AI instead of letting it run them over.
And they're just like, how?
So, but every time I, you know, I explain the process, it seems so simple because I didn't have anybody there to teach me.
You know, I learned as I went.
I learned so long and hard that the AI was getting better as I was getting better.
And I noticed it.
So, as I got further into it, I was able to kind of recreate some of the earlier things in this new or enhanced AI.
And, you know, I learned to work with it and show people, and I've always been a big advocate for myself of just showing my art or doing live art and just showing people how it's done.
They love seeing it.
You know, it's like children watching a magician.
And it's just, I try to be very open about my creation because at the end of the day, that's usually when people are having like these gotcha moments or they just don't feel confident in showing that they had to use some kind of trace model.
And it's like every great artist needs some kind of source models.
Every great tattoo artist has to be a good tracer.
You know, there are certain tools that I think people just feel ashamed about how they're using them and maybe aren't using them in a very, you know, honest way with their art.
But that's what you'll start to set up.
Yeah, you're seeing a change.
Like, I think when it first came out, there was a lot of that going on.
Now, I think you're seeing people, you know, like actually, you know, advertising like this was generative art, but done in a way like, I mean, you look at it and you're like, oh, my gosh, you know, they pieced it out.
And, you know, like you talked about, and that's some of the stuff like we're using AI to, you know, determine materials distribution across a collection.
So the way that artists and projects incorporate it and use it changing every day.
Absolutely.
With that, I'm going to try to wrap us up here.
It's been a good space.
We've been going for an hour.
Play a little music.
Wind us down.
Cool.
Thanks for hanging.
I appreciate everybody else that came and we got it recorded.
So, you know, our friends on the other side of the ocean can watch and listen when they feel.
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Cool music down there.
Cool music.
Thank you for hanging out.
You all have a good weekend.
Woke up, stand up.
