Damn that was wack as fuck every time I have wifi issues this shit be rugged Man, it's a whole bunch of bullshit. It's a bunch of bullshit. What's up Chris? Yeah, I'll wait a minute if you want to see if you get some more people in here
Yeah, sure. What are you up to? Do you want a co-host a little bit? Are you busy? I'm actually at work. So I'm just making my time to come in and talk to you because of course I got respect for you and then everybody in here. So I'll give you some insight on some things. I'll just wait for some more people to get
get back in. That was a great conversation and I don't know what happened. I connected to the wifi was fine for a minute then it drugged me. It's bullshit. So anyway we're back. It seems like there was a lot of people ready to hear what was going to be said. So where did we end off with that call?
conversation like this was about the talk I heard personally I heard so it looks like Chris has his hand up yeah that's a great mic and then we're gone okay so let's why are we gonna wait for some more people here Dylan I mean let's wait a couple of minutes
We've got like two weeks straight with almost no rugs honestly so pretty good pretty good We've had a few rugs maybe two or three but man 12 hours a day
8 to 12 hours a day. No rug is pretty good. Pretty good potential guys. I'm also like number 18 or 19 Twitter space is host in the world and I'm getting the same unique audience as big people like Thread Guy. It takes away my score because I do longer space
but it's pretty crazy to think that we're getting the audience as someone like Thread Guy. So I think it's just a matter of time before I start to hit 100k and people really start to know what's going on. Thank you everybody that came in. Go to the bottom right and reach with the room. We got rugged out. We got rugged out. So yeah, it's not the
morning anymore. Let's change it to memefire radio. Okay. And it seems like everybody's coming back in. So guys, hit that retweet button. Let's get everyone back on the stage back in the room. And we're going to hear from Chris. Where's JC? So I'm going to go throw this in JC's.
I already threw it in the T.M. But yeah. Yeah, put it in there. Let's get him back in. Let's see if he wants to come back because I know he had thoughts to share. There he is. See? That was pretty quick. We got back like, like,
60% of the people are already in like three minutes. No way. We're all waiting for you to come back. Well, of course, what do you think we're just gonna go? Fucking legends. Fucking legends in the building. All right, all right, all right. I think we got enough people back. Chris.
Chris, my man, we got rugged, right as you were about to just come in with the most important point. He was about to just blow our minds with something so, so wild and innovative. Chris, Chris, what were you about to blow our minds with?
guys go over to eat the room let's get that thing popping again. Shit true go ahead Chris I don't know how I could follow that so I would just save this number one I don't agree with the use of the N word that's not something I say it's not something I use that's not
something I can down so I just want to start that off right now and you know he knows that so that's not like this is in the secret okay what I will say is I think you got to understand everything going on to understand where we're at right now it's got people
around him that want something from him 24 hours a day you know and the insight I've gotten is that everybody wants to get involved with something with him. They want to launch you know off this sirep launch pad they want you know to get to
this end of this end of that. So he's got people constantly hitting him up all day and all night and it's all money and it's all wanting his involvement and so that's what's going on behind the scenes. Okay. When I talk to him, I don't ask him for anything. I just want everybody to understand that this is really important.
important because I think people are missing the point. I see tweets. You're not answering my DMs. I see tweets. Ben, what about this? I see tweets. Ben, you know, like all these things going on, I get it. Like you guys want answers right away, but you got to understand, like
like when he would talk to me, we didn't start talking until probably a little over a week ago. And the way it went was, you know, we were running the show and then he started retweeting the room. Okay. And then he, you know, he was just involved. He was replying some tweets. He was
retweet in the room and then we had a conversation. Then it was a quick conversation. It wasn't like we talked for a long time. And then after that we had more conversations. Not one time was like, "Hey, why don't you come in here right now and speak?"
It just casually come up. It was like, "Hey, I might drop by tonight." It was like, "Cool. If you're able to, cool, if not, I understand." And so, like, that's really the lesson in all of this. People are just coming to him and asking him to do things for them instead of just talking to the guy, right?
He'll talk to you at some point if he wants to talk to you. And my conversations with him aren't about gaining something from him. That's not what it's about, man. I'm not asking him for anything. Now if he says he wants to come in, I'm like, cool, come in.
You know, you're ready at home, get on the mic, talk, tell the people what you want. I try to direct it as best I can with questions. I try to get as much insight as possible. I know at some point, if he's out and he's drinking, there's just going to come a point where we're not going to really get as much. I mean, just being candid with you, right?
So I try to ask him questions, allowing him to say as much as he can when he's in that clear path. Right? And I think everybody can understand that and appreciate that. But what I see is I see people just asking him for shit constantly. You know, and that's not the way he operates. Just to give you some insight.
into how he operates. He's the type he wants to get to know you a little bit. Then he'll share some things he wants to share and it's between you and him and I keep that private. I mean some insight I'll give on the show you know general stuff but I'm not gonna
go into specifics and stuff and he knows who he can talk to and what he can talk about and how it goes down. And it takes time. There's people, I'm sure, that he'll talk to, that he isn't talk to you yet. It doesn't mean it's not a slight on you. I guess that's my overall message.
not taking a shot at you, he's not slight at you, he just has people constantly asking him for things. Now what I do think will benefit the project in him is when he comes in a room for people to have prepared questions and for people to know what they're talking about, right? And I think that's really
important because, and I get on our audience a little bit, but you know, just being serious. Like, if you, if you're able to ask him a good question, he'll give you a good answer. But if you're going to come up to the mic and talk about how happy you are just to have a conversation with him, you know, and how much he
means to you and then you're gonna, you know, not really give him a question. He's bored with it. He's got people doing that all day, every day. He's used to that. That's 90% of the people that talk to him. If you want to differentiate yourself, come up to the mic, ask him something that we haven't heard.
Get him to talk and give him to give some insight That's what's gonna get him in the right frame of mind and that's what's gonna benefit everybody to this project and I just think that's what we really need to develop as a community and that's on me too There's times, you know, I'll ask him things in a moment and I'm thinking of you know how to direct him
questions, you know, to put the best, the best face forward and all of this, right? Like it's incumbent upon us as a community to be intelligent and to have that intellectual conversation. And that's what's going to raise the standard in the game of everything we're doing. Yeah, man, I agree. I mean, that's that's a good point.
like I think it could have been you know better focused spaces that aren't just kind of random stuff or asking him but actually focus on building right and that's that's what I try to do here with everything we talk about and to be honest with you I got up there last night and I asked what I thought was a pretty good valid question
about the launch pad. And I felt like Ben was kind of, you know, there was there was a lot of people asking him weird stuff. So he was a little bit like kind of combative. And so yeah, I feel like, you know, that space doesn't breed a good place for him to even respond well to legitimate questions when it's mixed in with other people that have
So, but I do feel like the question didn't come across that well because it was just mixed in with a lot of people that were given them a hard time, I guess. And so I would like to see a little bit more of a positive direction so that he can be in just a positive mindset instead of like a defensive mindset. Go ahead, Chris.
And that's not a slate on you. Like you put that perfectly. Like there were a lot of people in that room that didn't know what was going on and what they were talking about. At one point he made when he came in with us was like, he said, you know, you can go back and listen to the recording. This is where I belong. This is where I should have just been coming the whole time. Like he said that.
You know, this is where I feel home, but I'm going on these other spaces so that I can get more of an outreach and have people know about what's going on that aren't, you know, in the community. Let's bring them to us, I say. That's my vote. Well, like,
the point is, and I put out a tweet last night, I said the public is weak behind. The public is weak behind in terms of their knowledge, the public is weak behind in knowing what to discuss. I mean, they're asking him questions. We were asking, you know, two plus weeks ago, you know, whether it's age,
or whether it's Uncle Chad or any of these guys, they're not in the project. They're not in the project. They're like the crypt, though, even two weeks behind. You just said it yourself. They're asking questions now that were asked two weeks ago. And like Adrian, regardless of
who he is. You'd think a guy like him would have already questioned some of this stuff about Ben, but he said it himself last night, like, oh, I'll just assume you were kind of a bad guy or a scammer because of what everyone said. But like, obviously after that conversation, Adrian had changed his mind.
And it's cool to think the impact Ben has that he's talking to that guy three weeks after breaking Twitter, but you could also see that, you know, Adrian didn't, wasn't very aware. It wasn't like Ben broke Twitter and everyone calls up, you know, the whole Twitter board
team and everyone knows like they're still processing what happened. They're still at the point where probably some product managers like all right how do we get this to you know work for more people. They're not like calling up the whole team and being like guys this thing broke Twitter the matrix is officially broken and now everybody knows like
It takes time for the story to circulate so that's Chris Yeah, I mean we're in our own little vacuum. Okay, and we're in our own little vacuum where we're studying it and we're learning it and mainstream is not Well, why is that emotions are involved? You know work
of mouth on Twitter is involved. They see something negative, right? He's an attention economy, but whether it's negative or it's positive. If they see negative on their timeline, right? Because you're in an echo chamber on Twitter, whether you like it or not, the people that follow you, the people you follow, if
they see something negative, then they're automatically assuming it's negative, right? It is going to be nice to see him acknowledge Dill now though, Aakris, because you know what? He has been promoting him in the right way. And you know, like we've always been behind him from day one in some of these spaces with mass amounts of people that like just scrutinize
him all day like how ignorant and I'm talking about now that I can't hear. Wait, I mean he he his whole point is yeah, he's trying to reach the masses and not just like the people that are in this and understand this he knows they're not going anywhere okay the people
people that aren't in this and they don't understand this, those are the people that are 50, 50 or they haven't made their decision yet. Those are the people that if you get 800, you know, a thousand people in the room, he knows he can sway some of those people. The byproduct of that is that you get people
in there that don't know what they're saying, don't know what they're doing, and they ask them the same questions. And he gets to a point where he's just not in the mood. It's just what happens, man. The guy's human, you know, he gets to a point, he doesn't want to answer their questions. He's tired of it. He deals with it all day.
It's he's sleeping, you know, three, four hours a night some nights, you know, and I've done it man. We're on three, four hours a sleep and you just get irritated after a while. So I understand that, you know, I understand that part of it, but just the bottom line is this, you know, fade the public.
public doesn't know shit goes public is just going based on what they see on the outside they're not inside this they're not understanding this they don't see all the components that are going on they're making a decision with 10% or less the information okay
And so when you have more information and you have more insight, it puts you in a better position. There's going to be people that are going to criticize it. There's going to be people that are going to knock it. There's going to be a lot of negativity around it. But at the end of the day, internally, right, that tells you which direction to go and that's your decision.
And so that's where I'm at on it. I'm just giving you some background behind it, but it does wear on somebody after a while. And I'm just talking project leaders in general, not even specifically, you know, Ben, but project leaders in general, when you have somebody hitting you up constantly for weeks, you know, asking you
for things. I mean, at the end of the day, man, he just wants to have a conversation with somebody that's not trying to gain something from them. I would compare it to, you know, I got a friend of 30 years, right? We grew up together. We played, you know, football in high school together. We both went to college, went our separate directions.
He ends up in the NFL, right? And in the off season, when he'd work out, he'd come back to this area. He'd go work out with me. We'd go to Gold's Gym, he'd kick my ass. I'd kick his ass. He was the same guy I knew when I was 12. I never asked him for anything. Never asked him to do anything.
never asked him for anything because he was the same guy. Well, the guy that's not going to treat Ben like he's something different, right? Where the guy's not going to be asking him for something is the guy that's going to get to know the guy. That's just my perspective. I think that's a good thing. Yeah.
I feel you, man, I feel you on that. You know, I also, I hear what he was saying last night about being decentralized and not wanting to curate and I understand that. So, you know, it's hard to balance with like, all right, he's creating a launch pad. He wants innovative builders to come work on his launch pad, right?
But then also, like you're saying, he's self-aware of people wanting to work with him and people might be wanting to game the system like he said last night. So, it's definitely a tough line to walk. But part of me also thinks like,
You know, like Fiddy coin, for example, like Fiddy is an entrepreneur who's done like 15 million plus in NFT sales here in Web 3. So like, although there are people out there that maybe, you know, disingenuous, I do think that there's a case to be made. Well, like, look, look at some of the people that
are here that have been supporting like Fitties been supportive. And like I said, I'm going to be doing something with the SIAP launch pad either way so that we can prove ourselves within that attention economy. We have all the people that we need here to do a launch percent of the sale on the
Yeah, you're wrong again, dude. Just to give me the head. Something's wrong with my cell phone service.
Just to give you a heads up, like, Fiddy has been a good guy and I didn't know Fiddy until a couple of weeks ago. But he's always been solid man. Like I can't say anything bad about him. He's coming our room at, you know, two o'clock in the morning after doing a show, just to talk to people now and giving
been honest in sight. He's not a hater man, he's fair, he's objective, he looks at both sides and things. He's not too much in one direction. So he's not, you know, saying that Ben's the greatest thing of all time, but he's also not hating on Ben either. And so I think throughout the whole thing, he's been really concerned
assistant and you know when you're hosting a room you can bring people up but you can't control what they're going to say or ask you know so just understand that if you get somebody in there it doesn't really know the project they might come up there and ask questions that to us seem elementary but I wouldn't I wouldn't put that on him you know he's he's
running a room and he doesn't want Ben to get down a path where you know things get destructive. He's just not he's not he's not that guy. He's kind of looking out for him at this point and he doesn't want him to get in that position. I used to think so too but this last space I think they
I mean, it was a bit off. Nothing against them though. Do you guys remember that Borovic actually fell asleep? You remember that? He was trying to do it in the middle of things. It was just awkward all around and I felt like
the host weren't really in control of it and you know well this is what I will say when you run something that long and let's say you ran something the night before you do get tired you go five plus hours man I'm telling you that shit is not easy and if you have a lot of
of people in the room, a lot of people, when it's like 7,800 plus and you got 35, 40 requests and you got people DM and you let me up, get this guy up, get that guy up, you know, and you're trying to pay attention to everything, it is mentally exhausting. Yeah and Ben himself was exhausted too I could tell and I think that needs to change
you need to slow down a little bit. Go ahead Chris, sorry. No, that's cool. I mean, like, the whole point is until you actually do it and you're actually in that seat, it's really hard, man. And I'm telling you, like, so I'm not going to knock them for that. Like, if he fell asleep, I'll tell you, they don't happen to me one time.
And I was going like three plus hours and I was hosting a show and I fell asleep. It happened one time and I've probably done over 300 shows. I fell asleep on the mic and I woke up and it was 8 a.m. and I still had like two 300 people in there.
before I brought so I probably was one of them. Yeah, I mean like Patron, there were times Patron would be you know co-hosted and Patron would accidentally hit the mic and I'd hear him snoring. And that's why I'm that's why I'm not so hard on my co-host because like if you expect your co-host
to be there every show worn out the whole completion, you know, four or five hours. Eventually they just wear it down. So I tell the guys, I'm like, look, if you're ready to go, let's go. If you got to check out, check out, I'll get somebody else in here, but you can't hold them to that standard, man, because it's just
Manually exhausting. Yeah, I agree. When when Dill's not rugged now, I say he he's spaces for breakfast lunch and dinner man. I mean, nothing for you. He goes a long time. I mean, I've seen it, but like I can tell you when you go three plus hours, that's why I don't do them every day. I mean, I used to
to do them every day. But I don't, you're going to get maybe two, three times a week out of me, man. And I'm going to try to keep them to three hours or less. But if you get Ben.Eat in the room and he's talking, you can't plan for that, man. Like sometimes these things happen. But it's just so hard to stay
that whole time, Chris, like, you know, it's hours and hours and like you're saying, you're going through chats, you're switching it up with people, you're getting people engaged and, you know, different conversations. I don't know how Dill does it. I don't know. So I kind of want to hear from him and just like when he's not rugged and see how he does it.
When I get to a certain point, what I do is I just keep it going with the recording because I look at it like this. There's going to be something at some point that's going to be something we haven't heard or something that's going to provide you some knowledge and insight at some point, right? There might be points where it's going to be choppy.
there's going to be points where he's not answering things, he's coming in and out, but at some point you're going to hear something you haven't heard. And that's the standard, right? To get new information and to get more information and to know him better. So like that's the whole goal. Like I'm trying to give the audience experience
where they're gonna hear something more than they would hear anywhere else. That's my understanding. I mean I was there when you did the Space with Hermony was drinking and you know I could see what you were doing there and yeah it was just like so many nuggets in there so many things we learned that we didn't know before
and it was like it did go a little bit long but then I could also like understand what you were doing because I did go back and listen to it probably two more times and it was like oh yeah he did say that too and oh my gosh oh he has a tattoo he's you know just all the rams
them little nuggets that were in there. I mean I think you did a really good job in keeping the questions going and your questions were thoughtful and really helping us to get to know who he was. So yeah I really did like that space even regardless I think at the point where
He was going pee and I'm going down the stairs. Oh my gosh, that meme was hilarious whoever made that one and he retweeted it. I think it was so funny. But I mean it was entertaining and it is hard because he is kind of a celebrity here in Twitter spaces. So it's like, oh, we wouldn't know what...
We're in the world is Ben. Eve like where's Waldo? I mean, there's the entertaining side of it, but at the same time, yeah, this is a business. So many people have put every last dollar into him. So yeah, I mean, I understand what everyone's saying and I'm glad that we can
can just talk about all our thoughts and, you know, respectful way and a positive way. So thank you so much Chris for coming into the space and, you know, just giving your thoughts about that. Yeah, I go back and listen, I go back and listen to it too.
I'm not listening to the parts of me because I'm not here to listen to my voice, but I'll go back in just to hear some things and to pick up on some things to develop future questions for him when he comes in again. I think one of the biggest things that nobody's really talking about is that for weeks I've been telling people
The ENS he set up at Ben.E. was registered in the company or entity. It was not registered under his name. And when I asked him that question, you know, point blank, he confirmed that. And I think a lot of people missed that because it was five hours, right? But the reality is I said, look, this ENS you registered three
years ago, it's not even in your name, it's an entity or company. He says it is. And most people don't even realize that. So everybody was saying he's going to jail, you know, he put this in his name, funds are being sent to his personal wallet. That was never the case. People were operating under an assumption that was never true. Right.
And so I think that's really important too because if you go back to the beginning that was like one of the biggest arguments that what he was doing was illegal I know I know I can attest to that because I saw a massive company in Mount Sweet and I'm always good to have you man and yeah your show shares some value
people in sight and you know I'm a D-gen on the spaces I've been doing it professionally for a while but I feel it's like it gets tiring after many hours and can't blame people for letting the room get a little wild at times that definitely happens in here so
You know, it is what it is, but I think we need to focus on those positive discussions, positive spaces. And at the end of the day, people are going to talk. They're going to say what they want, right? So, you know, all we can do is try to make a positive space and let what happens happen, right?
I'm not there to be the ultimate judge of what people say or do. We're here to just cover what's going on and provide an open space to talk about it. That's what's super important. That's beyond just the scope of Ben or even the scope of crypto and NFTs.
That's just about having a freedom of speech and open on his conversation. So that's what we do here on meme 5 morning, meme 5 radio, whatever we're calling it. But every single morning we're on meme 5 morning. And you know, the whole vibe is just building something positive here around
the meme fire space and it's very obvious now that's going to include more than just meme coins and D5 and FT's are coming into the mix and a lot of innovative stuff is going to happen so I really do think it's the beginning for all this go ahead JC
I see what you're saying. Deathmore is tiring being on these spaces. I mean, I used to have spaces like a year ago as well for like multiple hours. I was doing it with like the alien friends team and like John Chihidi and all those guys and bro. Yeah, it definitely gets super tiring. Like, I'm not saying that it's a, it's a
easy at all. But at the same time, there's questions that people have. People have lots of questions. And when he's not answering these questions, we're just saying that everything is a siop or just not giving straight answers on some certain things. It raises a lot of
different questions because at the end of the day we're all here to make money. We're all a community but we're all here to make money. He needs to answer some questions regarding people's money. Like Ali said, a lot of people do have their last dollars locked up in him and invested in him. He needs to kind of
give some straight answers on those things and his tweets are all cryptic, pretty much cryptic texts. I have to decipher what he's trying to say through his tweets. As a founder in any web type of space, web 2, web 3, you
But at least in Web 2, you can't give like not straight answers. People won't really view behind you. It's only really in the Web 3 space you can pretty much try to sigh off and do if anybody that you want and people will still be supporting you. Because I know if I launched an app on the App Store and nobody knew who I was or anything, I just tried writing like cryptic text on my Twitter.
I went to investors and told them like just trust me, just trust me, I'd be loyal, be loyal. Not a lot of people will buy that. And you definitely brought up some great valid points. I mean, there's a lot of questions I need to be answered. And he does come up and answer these questions. Jay, see, let me ask
you something quickly I just kind of want to challenge you on that do you think it would have been fair if he came out to everybody and said hey I'm releasing the psi op NFT collection it's going to be this date do you think that kind of would have been detrimental to the entire public and both kind of unfair to the larger wallets