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Memes & Dreams 131 🌤️ - No Pain, No Gain
Recorded: June 6, 2025 Duration: 1:06:33Space Recording
Short Summary
In a lively discussion, crypto enthusiasts explored the impact of political events on market trends, particularly the Musk-Trump feud's influence on Bitcoin prices. The conversation also touched on the potential for Dogecoin's integration into payment systems and the evolving landscape of crypto adoption as social media platforms seek to merge with financial services.
Full Transcription
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So I turn the other way and I carry on.
That's why I'm telling you I just want to celebrate.
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Yeah, I just want to celebrate.
Another day of life.
Put my hand on a dollar bill, and the dollar bill blew away. I just want to celebrate another day of living.
I just want to celebrate another day of life. I'm doing it all.
I'm doing it all.
I'm going to turn you around.
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I just want to celebrate another day of living.
I just want to celebrate another day of living. Oh Round, round, round, round, round, round,
don't go round.
I just want to celebrate.
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I just want to celebrate, celebrate, I just want to celebrate, celebrate, I just want how is everybody doing today hello hello and happy friday to everybody hey don't change family yo
Hey, don't change family!
Yo, what's up?
How's it going, guys?
I'm good. I'm good.
I think I'm good.
Couldn't be better.
Yep. well welcome to dreams and dreams 131 no pain no gain if you guys want to come on up and be
a part of the panel feel free nobody bites up here not too bad if you guys want to get married we got l
jude arena who is an ordained minister in judaism oh yeah no man speaking of no pain no gain there
was some some pain yesterday well the twitter was uh x was melting down with Elon and Trump you know
you know in the crazy divorce skirmish oh man the market didn't like that I saw
people are like so yeah you wouldn't Trump are not friends anymore but why is that dumping my bitcoin what has my
bitcoin have to do with anything that they are doing which is kind of you know it didn't really
have to but yeah the market didn't like the the the painful divorce that they had so publicly publicly yeah i don't know i saw a whole bunch of crazy things going on even um like somebody posted that
elon had had blocked uh trump or like banned him from x i was like no way uh that was funny
i don't think that happened but no the escalation went like this so elon was uh
like posting stuff that goes against uh that that was criticizing the the big and beautiful bill
you know uh for for i i don't know for a week at least something like that he was he was quite vocal around it and then like trump went for the jugular and uh started like
name calling like he was not uh very nice or uh that he kind of freaked out and then he
he told that he was going to cut uh uh, like SpaceX programs and stuff like that.
Uh, to which you are, didn't, didn't respond very nicely either.
Uh, and it kind of culminated to the point where you on like posted that, um, uh, the,
the, why the Epson files weren't released is because Trump was on them
and that was like the full meltdown.
Yeah, it's just pure craziness.
So, Team Elon or Team Trump?
So hard to decide. I'm'm team nobody by the way i i don't like
billionaires and i don't like politicians some team uh whoever the fuck loses yeah it's really
tough tough uh this i think i think the hard part though it's like see I'm not super big
into politics I'm just not
I like try to
avoid it as much as possible unless
it's like absolutely necessary
yeah I'm not
that might have worked
for like
a few years ago still but politics has entrenched pretty
much everywhere into crypto so it's it's really not an option to ignore it anymore because it
it directly you know uh impacts our market uh firsthand so it's it's not an option anymore to just ignore them i would love to do
it as well because i wasn't very much uh you know we we were seeing like yeah the senator wants to
ban bitcoin or a bunch of other and it had like minor impact but now since uh you know we have that crypto friendly president
everything is uh it's kind of interlinked interlinked you know the movie blade runner yeah
yeah but i mean it doesn't really matter it just kind of
yeah but i mean it doesn't really matter it just kind of
kind of like the knee-jerk reactions are from it but grand scheme of things it's not like
affecting the code or anything like that you know
and it's definitely making more memes for us it was uh it was a day to behold on x yesterday if you were awake to uh
to see what everything was everything that was happening it was pretty pretty crazy man i can
i can compare this to like end of uh 2017 trump uh like thefe stuff and the you know
that type of stuff
but yeah
it was one of the top five days
on Twitter X
or however you want to call it
definitely yesterday
it's so funny
just scrolling down
the feed
Donald Trump's not selling his tesla
like what
man poor tesla by the way yeah it dropped like 15 percent and that's not all like you know like
libs hated on on hated on Elon because he
supported Trump, so they were, like,
vandalizing Teslas,
but now, MAGA hates
Elon, apparently, as well,
so eventually,
they're going to... So if you're a Tesla
owner, it doesn't really work well for you.
You know, keep
your car in your garage or something.
Jesus.
Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy social media changes
people's perspective
about people right like so quick
this is I feel like something
we haven't seen before until everyone's
been so connected
especially Twitter
interlink
yeah especially Twitter interlink yeah that's interesting
I was wondering what the hell is happening
with the price but I didn't put
two and two together that it was because of that
it's not where my head first
goes but that's interesting
definitely the dump was
was a result of the feud,
but we kind of recovered everything since then.
We're back at the same point that we were before that.
So it's really like, it looks like fake volatility
and fake market manipulation or whatever it is.
There's also speculation that
it's all a play.
But, you know, knowing the egos,
both of them,
I don't think it's
faked or anything like that.
we'll see. Do you guys think
there's a chance
they make up?
Why not? why wouldn't they
i don't know man i don't know hard hard egos big egos i guess the one thing like you have to respect elon musk for you know sticking to his guns for believing what he believes in and
fight standing up like not there's nobody there's not too many people out there
that just they just they'll they'll stand up to these different politicians or people in power and
different politicians
or people in power
for what they believe in at all
costs. I mean, whether or not it's him
and his companies,
he's sticking to it.
He don't give a fuck.
It's called F-Money, man.
Huh?
It's F-U money.
It is.
He just doesn't care.
He doesn't like it.
Yeah, definitely, man.
We have to give him credit for that.
Because there weren't a lot of...
He started to be vocal about it once the bill was made public.
And we didn't see a lot of, uh, of backlash from other, uh, like the tech bros, uh, and the billionaires that supported,
uh, until then.
And he was like the only one, uh, who, who actually stood by his beliefs that, uh, this
is not, not a good thing.
And he didn't care.
He didn't care about the threats.
He didn't care about, uh, people telling him, telling him to, uh, to, to pipe it
down.
He just says what he wants to say because she, she, she believes in that.
Yeah.
So what do you think this does for Doge?
I was thinking the same.
I was thinking about asking the same questions.
Let me think about it.
Yeah.
Yeah. Trump's buying think about it. Yeah. Yeah.
Trump's buying Bitcoin to this strategic reserve.
Is Elon tied to Doge still?
I don't know.
I, you know,
I still wish Doge was still going.
I mean, he's technically still going at it as Doge, right?
Like, even though he's not.
Oh, you're talking about the token.
Well, yeah, because now it's like two things, right?
Now there's a government agency called Doge.
And then, you know, Elon's always flirted with the possibility of Doge being a currency on X.
So where does he stand with it now?
What's going to happen is Doge is going to be one of those things
where we're going to use it to vote, whether or not we like bills.
What about that Doge dividend, remember?
They were talking about giving $5K back from the savings. It would be great if they did in Doge dividend, remember? They were talking about giving like 5k back from the savings.
It would be great if they did in Doge.
But yeah, a lot going on with Doge these days.
That's crazy.
Well, we need to kind of separate the one from the other.
The government agency and the
cryptocurrency are two completely different things. It does give some
exposure to our beloved meme coin, the name itself, but those are, let's
say, two completely different things. What I'm more excited about, about
Doge and what this does for Doge is that, uh, there have been like always
like every two weeks, there's some, some, some rumors, but, uh, more
precisely these, uh, these couple last couple of weeks is, is X payments.
You know, uh, X is, uh, supposed to become the, the one up for everything and, uh,
payments included.
And imagine if doge is, uh, is included in that, uh, I I'd say.
90% chances that no crypto is included at first, but, uh, as,
as things do start to roll out, uh uh we could see bitcoin doge get getting
get integrated within uh x payments and that would be like incredible and and crazy for for
broad adoption of uh of the of the technology and uh and payments with crypto, definitely.
So I don't know, Ivan, if you listen to weekly,
LDA does a segment called the micro minute.
We do the micro minute and the macro minute.
And in the micro minute last week, not yesterday,
but one week before yesterday, we talked about X payments.
And it does not look like they're about ready to roll out the beta for testers.
There was no mention of Doge being included.
So at the very least, we know that it will not be included in the beta.
But that doesn't mean that it won't get added.
I doubt that they will include any type of crypto uh at first yeah to be honest first first of all if they do include any type
of crypto it has to be something that's uh evm and uh something that's easy to, uh, to transact with and doesn't
cost an arm and a leg to, to just send money with, uh, something that needs to
be fast as well, especially for beta testing, you know, it needs to be, uh,
it needs to be super functional.
So I'm thinking like payment networks, like Polygon, Doge chain, EVM stuff.
networks like polygon doge chain evm stuff that could be cool and even cooler using doge chain
That could be cool.
to integrate doge uh and uh our uh our dogecoin uh like wrap doge provider imagine if uh x uses
don't chain as a as their provider that could be uh well I remember when they were testing out
the PFP
and you could have
an ETH PFP
that was
verified or whatever.
Why did you remove that, by the way?
That was removed.
I don't know.
Facebook also removed it.
So did a lot of companies.
Facebook had it?
Yeah.
I think Facebook or Instagram.
They tried some kind of pilot program with that.
And it was a huge rollout.
And then they stopped it like a month or two after, if I recall.
Like, it didn't make any sense at all, really.
Yeah, who uses Facebook?
Well, people, definitely not people that use NFTs, I guess.
You have to be like over like 60 people to use Facebook.
That's crazy, though.
Because we are the generation that started Facebook.
Like, me, in particular. Our Gen X, you know, that's... though because we are the generation that started Facebook like me in
particular our gen X you know that's we're like the young adults when it came out and
Do you remember MySpace?
I do I do. MySpace came out before. MySpace was before.
Yeah and then before that it was AOL and then people making websites on geo cities and shit like that and host, you know, so yeah.
It's funny, funny how we're just reinventing the wheel with Web3.
It's just it's just another wrapper and reinventing what was already done before, but just in new and different ways that make more sense.
And yeah, or different infrastructure, really.
But the concepts still remain the exact same.
We're just taking old ideas and plugging them into new tech.
I will say one thing that should come back from MySpace is the top 10.
I love the MySpace top 10.
That was hilarious.
You kind of can do that.
Like chirpty.
You know that like the circles thing where it shows you like who you're closest to.
That would be like kind of equivalent to like the MySpace top 8.
You know like it was like top 8. And then you could could change it at one point you could make it like your top
20. yeah it was like hilarious like you weren't like official if you're dating somebody if they
weren't your like top one yeah if you moved it then it was like oh my goodness, what happened? Yeah.
On my face?
Yeah.
I remember sitting hours on my background and stuff.
Oh man, like it'd be all moving and all sorts of things.
HTML code?
Yeah, and then you would have, like, you know,
You're Strong and everything.
Yes.
God, that would take me forever.
Just to get it just right.
Do you guys think these social media platforms are going to stick around for, like, the long term?
Or are there eventually going to be, like, new ones that overtake them?
Some of them have been around a long time, like, what, YouTube since 2005?
I mean, I think there's always going to be a...
I think you just need to look at history because, like because history tends to repeat itself all the time.
So it doesn't matter if there's like, basically what I'm saying is that there's always going to be like a pivot point.
There's always going to be some of these companies, they just get too large and they lose their ability to move swiftly.
And their competitors eventually come out with
better products and better features.
MySpace, that's not what happened to MySpace.
MySpace, the dude just sold it and he just didn't care anymore.
He sold it, made a bunch of money and he just disappeared into the horizon.
You know, like like you know
a cool old western the guy just rode off in the sunset and uh went to have a lifelong vacation
yeah but the people who bought it uh why did they let competitors oh but because because they were
incompetent you know what i mean but that's fine. That's what happens when, you know, like that's when other products and things are going to just,
they're going to look for what you're deficient in and they're going to fill that gap.
And then they'll just do something that you're not doing right.
well well i won't say what happens and then they just add more features and uh yeah that's that
So that's usually what happens.
And then they just add more features.
that's how these these these giants doesn't matter what industry they're in whether they're in tech
or anything else for that matter they just become too large they get too cocky and uh
yeah there's just you know there's there's more eager companies and people out there who
uh move move a lot quicker and faster i think myspace is so early they might not have known
what they had right like it was kind of like first of its kind so maybe they just kind of like
i mean obviously they didn't innovate at all so well i think also you gotta imagine that myspace came out and like yeah they were
great they were big but facebook came in pretty quickly as well so like it did have the timing
of a you know competitive advantage for timing like you know like that's that's kind of the
difference like something like youtube has enough power, has enough strength,
I think is big enough to be able to adapt on its own and continue its dynasty.
Myspace, considering the size of the internet at that time, 2005,
and the price that was paid for it 580 million dollars i think that it was like even
over that was way overpaid for what it was considering that there was a lot of competition
coming up and etc but yeah i guess uh oh man and it wasn't even making was it even making any money Tom Anderson is a fucking hero man
he made something he sold it
super super expensive
and he just rode off into the sunset
like the cowboy hero
he was
just a fucking legend
was it even making any revenue
like or was it just like
hey you're buying a platform with a bunch of users
now monetize them.
And then the new buyers basically did nothing.
It was Facebook who bought them.
Okay, so if that's the case, then the intention was clear, is you just buy out your competitor and you let the business go.
It was not Facebook. No, no, it was new score it was it was a
new new score that uh that bought them and then they sold it to uh specific media for like 35
million so they lost like 525 million in the transaction six years later. But Facebook never bought that.
It was Justin Timberlake that bought it
in, like, 2011.
But it was first sold
for $580 million in 2005.
Justin Timberlake had
Napster and was a part of Facebook.
That's because
he was in the movie.
I was waiting for somebody
to catch that.
But it was really
Justin Timberley that bought myspace
yeah i remember he he bought it at some point and he paid even more
like an extravagant amount something ridiculous
so i think the first social media site that really combined like payments, digital payments and social was WeChat, right?
And I think that's what X is trying to ultimately be on the West.
I've never used WeChat, to be honest.
Because you're not a mainland China.
Yeah, you're not a Chinese man.
That's why you don't use WeChat.
Okay, you guys.
I have this friend who is trying to marry a Chinese bride.
And he uses WeChat all the time to meet women.
Lucky guy.
Huh?
Okay.
I'm just telling you.
That's what he uses.
And he always shows it to me.
Nice. Does he have shows it to me. Nice.
Does he have to use, like, a VPN or is it just open app?
I think it's just open.
I don't think he uses a VPN.
I can ask him.
But, yeah, I'm pretty sure it's just available.
Yeah, and a lot of people.
He does have to use a translator.
Like, there is a translator in WeChat, but it's not very good.
And so he'll frequently ask me, like, what do you think she means by this?
And I'm like, you know, you have to tell me the context of the conversation.
And so he'll tell me the context of the conversation,
and then I'll tell Grok,
and then Grok will, like, translate it better than the WeChat translator.
Yeah, I know people pay their rent and stuff through it.
It's like really the everything app.
Actually, it's a real everything app, WeChat.
People pay their rent.
People can contact their bank with it, etc.
And speak, serve the web it's like what x wants to be to be honest but it's already like
they they actually made it like that no there's a lot of been around for a long time like at least
10 years and it's been and everything app for a long time.
And yeah, but there's also you need to consider that there's also a lot of control from the government in WeChat as well.
So it's not like you can do whatever you want.
It's definitely CCP.
Yeah, all the content is for sure being controlled.
But I think the only comparable app we have that's similar to it,
which I think is phenomenal,
and people are just not bullish enough on,
is Telegram because it's got close to, what is it,
900 million users so far.
You can build anything on it including
apps
it really is the everything app
and with Grok now
being integrated into Telegram itself
I think like the best
move for Elon on it obviously
is just to somehow merge
the two man that would be
to me would be the killer
everything app that would put WeChat Telegram plus X that would be that would to me would be the killer everything app that would put we
chat telegram plus x yeah yeah that would be that would be crazy yeah it would be it would be nuts
but the the problem with telegram right now and why it's not really taking off i think is because
of uh the restrictions in the u.s uh especially like with crypto and stuff. They're having some problems with, you know,
getting stables or on-ramps approved or used for U.S.
and that's the largest market, right?
But they have everything else.
Like it's huge in Europe.
It's huge everywhere else in the world.
It's not very big in the U.S.
And so if they clear these issues up,
that's when I think um there's going
to be a shit ton of interest and uh opportunity as well well don't fade um don't fade tiktok right
like they got the shop thing going tiktok shop live shopping i think there's like this really
cool trend towards like social versus e-commerce versus like live stream um it's a lot of cool
things happening in social but obviously the trend is that like money is going to combine
with these things probably in multiple platforms yeah they're already uh they're doing a whole
bunch of that in china now too where um there's like there's a whole economy. You can find videos online where they're basically training people now
to be influencers and product demo specialists for goods and products
where they can demonstrate these things on online channels.
And it's really becoming more of an interactive shopping experience.
It's becoming more of an interactive shopping experience.
I think that if you look across borders and you look at what's happening in other parts of the world,
that's kind of a glimpse of where things are headed.
Because there's always countries that are already doing these things.
You know what I mean?
A lot of what you're
going to start seeing roll out in the u.s and stuff's already been done before elsewhere and
so you can use that as kind of like a little fortune teller uh machine right if you keep on
top of these things yeah the next step would be obviously crypto right because like our banking
systems don't work together like china versus united states but once crypto is implemented in these platforms it's like a global a truly global like thing happening just on your phone it's pretty
crazy yeah and the next step it's gonna be like built into our glasses right and then the next
step after that it will be built into our heads with neural. But those are the next natural progressions, right? First, we have,
we have a pocket device that we carry around with, with us that can do anything and everything
almost. Pretty soon, it's gonna, you know, it's gonna be just a different interface device.
We're probably going to get it visually. And then, you know, we don't really need a device at all eventually.
I think there's just going to be a link, right?
And everything's going to be run through, like, the cloud.
That's what I personally think is, like,
some of the computation that we need to run some of these things now
is just impractical for the average user.
And these instances can be like spun up so quickly online now in the cloud
that we'll just be paying for what we need when we need it.
And it'll have better efficiency of all the resources, right?
So you won't need to manufacture as many things etc
um but yeah that's the way i see had like the future kind of headed
it's no different like the way i see it is like it's no different than how about i'd say
No different than how about, I'd say, five to ten years ago, we switched from, you know, a model, a software model of, like, people being used to buying a product or a piece of software paying a flat rate.
And now everything's transitioning into software as a service model, and people are paying monthly.
And now things are even switching
to like instances so you pay per use and we're starting to see that you know with tokens and
stuff like that and ai and image generation etc right yeah well i do hate that
i love the one-time payment but that's a thing of the past i know yeah yeah the things as a service i fucking hate things as a software as a
service game as a service streaming as a service everything fucking sucks man whatever happens
we end up paying fucking adam we end up paying way fuck adam man i don't know you you used to
be able to buy photoshop or illustrator and you know use them, you used to be able to buy Photoshop or illustrator and,
you know, use them. Now you have to,
they're like continuously increasing monthly payments to
like incredible prices. I mean,
it's fucking insane what they're asking for so that you can use their
services. Fucking pirate them second thing netflix
and youtube premium for example they just announced that they were going to add more ads into their
premium service so not only you're paying for not having ads but you're going to have more ads
unless you pay the higher tier it's like like the fucking Black Mirror episode, man. There was a fucking Black Mirror episode with the girl that needed to, uh, uh, needed a chip in her head to stay alive.
And they started like sending ads through her.
Uh, so, and they started increasing her, uh, uh, her payments and stuff.
I don't know if you saw that. It's from the last season.
Games as a service,
that's the most egregious fucking thing.
But at least the last...
Games as a service are dying.
Slowly but surely,
they are actually not
rentable anymore.
A lot of them
launch and then they get get uh like extinguished
a month in uh and i'm happy that is happening so that we can actually have games that you can pay
for play and finish and not like have to pay 10 15 a month just to continue playing a game
or for some content or whatever the fuck well Well, you know, like... Go ahead.
All of this, as a service,
is completely egregious
and dystopian as fuck.
I fucking hate it.
It needs to die.
It is kind of bullshit.
Because, like, you know,
the pendulum swings to, like,
too strict to not strict enough,
and I think we're getting to the too strict area,
and the good thing is with this, like ai stuff vibe coding's happening and eventually like software you can't like really do this as software because anyone can make it
but i we're not there yet right so no we're we're there man i'm already starting to do it myself
literally you can take a screenshot of like apps that cost hundreds of millions of dollars
and you can use ai to basically reverse engineer it and reconstruct it into a working fucking
product with databases and everything like the whole bit from end to end now well okay so like
it's fucking nuts like you can put a 200 million dollar product or company out of business tomorrow by just vibe
coding that's what it's coming down to now i've been vibe coding too and like some more complex
things it's not there yet i mean you have to have a background in coding like it helps but it's
there man you just gotta look deep i'm i'm there's there's there's very like uh niche tools that you need to install and use that get around some of the current limitations of context and stuff.
And if you can override some of the rules and like there's things that you can do that give you an edge above like pretty much everyone else.
I'm starting to use them now. And yeah, I have different things where like I even have AI agents
I'm starting to use them now.
that are part of like Google gems now and they can self mutate into other agents for me. So if I want
like a copywriting or a marketing agent or this or that, they'll do that. And I have an entire
software engineering team behind me now to where they can mutate and they can build like extensive prd documentation not
just the prd but like the whole tech stack documents everything that you need and then
you just import those all as md files and instructions in your ide you refer to those
and then you guys hear me on autopilot it just basically all gets built out right and uh it just all comes to down to like rules and process
and um there's tons of tips and tricks you can do to like to get to that point like people are
doing it now they're not very well known yet but uh like every day i spend a couple hours a day
trying to catch up with what's happening in the AI space. And there's just like, can barely keep up with it. And most of it is all open source, man.
It's all cats out of the bag, right?
That's how software is all developed these days anyways,
is just developers building on top of other things.
And they have to release it open source because what they just sourced,
whatever they produced and made was based on open source.
So by law, they have to also release even their paid products by open source.
So now I'm using those open source products that they're charging for.
And I'm running locally on my machine because I just pulled the repo from the GitHub.
Because by law, they have to release it because they built their product entirely off of something that was open source as well.
So they have to recontribute back into the ecosystem.
And that's why everything's more or less is going open source now, too.
So if you know how to tap into all these things, literally everything is for free, more or less.
Yeah, but I think you underestimate the fact that you're pretty much technical, right?
Like technical people figure it out right now.
What I'm talking about is, like, say, like, you know, your favorite game or Adobe Premiere Pro and you edit, right?
It's per month, like, subscription.
I'm talking about someone saying, screw this, I'm going to spin it up myself.
And, like, it's going to get to that point, you know, where you have to be less and less technical to where...
Eventually, eventually, yeah, yeah, I agree, agree i agree we're not there yet but eventually yeah
yeah i i hate the adobe stuff the most to be honest with you and they were the ones to first
pull the trigger really um to kind of uh make the whole industry go that way of software as a service and whatever.
But they're like, you know, yeah, I don't like it either.
That's why I don't use it anymore, because it became completely unaffordable,
impractical to use for the average person,
unless you're like a full-time graphics designer and you're using it every single day, right?
and you're using it every single day, right?
Then it may make sense.
Then it may make sense, but...
Well, the thing is that they, you know,
they incorporated all of their AI stuff
is in the paid version.
So if you want to follow what others are doing,
you're kind of, if you're, yeah,
if you're a professional,
you're kind of shoehorned into buying it're a professional you're kind of shoehorn into
buying it and paying monthly and it sucks because it's super expensive and uh it used to be expensive
you know licenses but you could get around it if you were going to buy one version and skip
the next one you know it was still good for what it was.
And, uh, you could, you know, get your money's worth and make the money with the, with your work through it.
But now it's, uh, the, the business model is, is just crazy, man.
It, you need to start making a lot of money.
You need to charge clients a lot more just to be able to pay for your
software, which is insane. making a lot of money you need to charge clients a lot more just to be able to pay for your software
which is insane
yeah man only way to do it is to uh be creative i guess and try and find like some kind of
online course that may qualify you for the student discount and get it try and find like some kind of online course that may qualify you for
the student discount and get it for free or do some kind of, you know what I mean? But there are,
I'm not sure if they're still available, but there are ways of getting the software and not
paying the monthly service fee. I had to delete the ones that I was using and that I had set up for many years just
to save space. Because ever since I started like programming and coding, my hard drive is getting
like torn up. I can barely even like just my space is getting consumed like crazy.
but yeah, I don't know if that's still available to get it that way or not.
But yeah, I don't know if that's still available to get it that way or not.
And the crazy part is all these services were downloadable like 10, 15 years ago.
Like we all remember not having to do this as crazy, you know, hate it.
They're, they're onto us.
It's one way to fight piracy.
That's for sure.
That doesn't mean that people don't pirate anymore.
With all the new streaming services, actually,
when you had a couple, it was fine.
But now you have to have like 10 different subscriptions to cover, uh, all the shows that you want
to see, all the movies that you want to see, because some movies are not on this
service, they're on the other service, et cetera.
So people are just going back to piracy again, you know, pirate hat is off.
Yeah.
Napster's coming back.
Pirate hat is off. Napster's coming back. Pirate Bay.
Pirate Bay.
By the way, did you guys notice that
Polymarket and X are
joining forces?
I saw something like
that they should.
I didn't know it was that it was happening.
Oh, no.
Like, X.
Like, literally.
We're joining forces.
We're joining forces with Polymark.
Yeah.
They did it.
Yeah, they made an official post about it.
They're going to have babies.
They're going to do it.
Well, wow.
They really should adopt Doge
Chain as the payment layer
for things, right?
Super cheap Gatsby, EVM.
I mean, they're...
Yeah.
It is the next step for Doge holders to be able to pay with doge
for everything on x and the easiest way to do it is through doge
it's logical it's the cheapest too i haven't seen any other side chain L2 or otherwise even comparable to our gas fees.
And the other thing is, is I don't think that they ever will be, especially with tech that has already been sunset and deprecated like polygon edge so that actually can be a good thing in certain circumstances or
like for instance in this one i'm gonna be very hard for someone else to replicate that same kind
of tech when it's already being deprecated and it's basically a custom build now
yeah that's pretty much it it's pretty much much a custom build that mixes edge with dot chain bespoke tech.
So it's nothing, there's nothing, yeah, there's a dog bug.
You can hear. yeah
Did it just go quiet all of a sudden?
Yeah, I went quiet because
there was a dog barking just next to me
and I was trying to
put some distance between me and him.
Oh, I heard the dog saying
yes, doge chain.
Put it on doge chain.
That's what it said.
I heard that too. That's what it said. I heard that too.
That's what he said, exactly.
We've been trying to get
Cesar Milan on here.
I've had to learn how to speak
Doge myself.
I'm not quite at that level yet, though.
When Doge Moon?
Doge Mars.
When Doge Mars.
What do you guys think?
I don't know. Well i hope i hope you want to start to focus on his uh
his space fearing stuff now that he he kind of rears off of politics but i i love the space stuff, man. I want to see people
while I'm still alive.
At least, you know, go on Mars.
Something like that.
I'm sorry.
I'm watching this video
and somebody's like,
look at this Cybertruck.
Okay, this is a very terrible video,
so don't judge me.
And then all of a sudden sudden this buick hits this guy
sorry oh yeah i just saw that earlier yeah oh my god
the blue cybertruck hey they come in blue as well and then this this guy just gets run over a car
Gets run over a car.
That's terrible.
it's terrible
Oh, man.
Oh, I just want to lose.
Hey, did you get sick after the conference, Richard?
No, not really.
Okay, good.
I've been putting up on tons of vitamins, minerals.
So, it's all good.
Good, good.
Yeah, you were pounding those vitamin c drinks when i was there i was drinking vitamin c and p the entire time
you can know d on vitamin c by the way
well you know what i know that well i guess i'll have to take my chances
and people yeah but your kidneys are not going to
like it man if you are so what's next guys doge to one dollar when when are we going to see Doge at $1? With everything that happened in the markets
and everything that's been shitty lately,
since January, we haven't really seen
anything remotely positive, to be honest.
We saw some some ethereum price uh action
that was quite positive but we're kind of stalling here and when when when doge to one dollar
i think by august things start still in 2025? Is it still possible, do you guys think?
Yeah.
Halloween, man.
Halloween, there's going to probably be a huge pump like there always is every year.
That's what I'm thinking.
Well, I'm hoping it's bigger than last year and the year before.
I'm ready for big numbers.
The numbers we're supposed to get for the
last two years pretty much everything like i don't know if you guys saw the chart i posted in the main
chat or whatever but uh yeah like altcoins versus btc are like like we haven't seen shit for three years. They're basically down only.
Well, we haven't really seen it for longer than that, man,
because a lot of altcoins are preformed.
Like, we haven't seen a proper altcoin season since 2017.
A lot of accumulation going on.
But it'll be interesting to see what happens with meme coins that came out last cycle, like SHIB and stuff like that.
It'll be interesting to see how they respond.
But we saw a lot of what people call dino coins now like litecoin stuff like that pump earlier on
in 2020 uh actually earlier this year so hopefully there's a broader rally
do we really need to see ethereum starts that starts actually rallying before we actually see other altcoins make a comeback?
What do you guys think?
If they're paired to Ethereum and a large portion of their supply is, then yeah, for sure.
Just mathematically, there's no other way.
Well, I think any coin, yeah because like how it usually goes is
ethereum goes up it gets too expensive people leave and then they go into every other ecosystem
so yeah i think ethereum's a key you
Chirping birds nice. That's why I like doge. It's morning some though. Oh, sorry. So I forgot you off.
Anyway.
Yeah, you were saying, Benny?
I was just going to say that's why I like Doge. Because it's kind of weird.
Sometimes it runs with Bitcoin.
And then sometimes it deviates and front runs it.
And then it also takes momentum from Ethereum as well.
So like under all those scenarios, it's very reactive to all three of them.
Whereas Ethereum is kind of siloed in a sense
that like Bitcoin could be going up or down
and it may not have an effect on what Ethereum does.
But yeah, Ethereum is still subject to, I guess, the risk appetite of the market in
general as well.
People still see Ethereum more as a tech play as opposed to Bitcoin, even though people are still saying that people treat Bitcoin as or the market does as kind of still same benefit of when there's high inflation
or markets need a flight to safety in order to...
They may run to Bitcoin as well.
So it's just...
Like, it's interesting, the different dynamics of these.
That's why I see Dogecoin kind of in its own.
So there's like Bitcoin, Ethereum, and Dogecoin.
I kind of see them as like the distinct independent kind of market signals almost.
But sometimes they rhyme too, right?
Yeah, I mean, I still have, to be honest, a lot of hope for Doge rallying and decoupling
from the rest of the market like it usually does when the time comes.
There were some periods where I was hoping to see it do it when it reached like 40 cents
at one time.
Uh, when was it like in, in, in December?
Like, uh, that, that was like the, the, the next leg up was expected.
Uh, but problematically with everything that happened in the market and Trump coin and a bunch of our bullshit and the extraction from, uh, from pump fun
that it just didn't happen.
Retail just moved, moved away.
But I think there's still, still a lot of, uh, potential there to, uh, to see
like a 100 X, uh, within, uh, see like five 100x within,
see like five, $10 Dogecoin by the end of the year.
That's crazy, $5, $10 is crazy.
Yeah, that's what people were saying about 70 cents.
what people were saying about uh seven 70 cents uh it was it was something that was pretty much
unimaginable uh last cycle and yet we saw what what that what they did at that time so you know
dogecoin can can be a an outlier, very often and has done it
so many times in the past
that it's
kind of maybe
conservative to expect it to do it again.
Anyway, guys,
an hour in.
Crazy stuff happening.
You on and Trump war, uh, hopefully they, they, they can, uh, go, uh, over their differences.
And, uh, we would like to see some, uh, some positive price action and stop squabbling
on, uh, on... It was important.
It's important stuff.
It's the budget.
But yeah, you know,
Elon is Elon, Trump is Trump.
We'll see how that works.
It works out for them.
And yeah, next week,
maybe some more positive
news in the markets
on these spaces what do you guys think
I didn't realize
I didn't mute the whole time but yes hopefully
I can't hear you Penny
I'm just like
you can't hear you, Penny.
Oh, you can't hear me?
No, it's like, I feel like you're in a tunnel.
Someone's got a pillow over your head or something.
I got my earpods on.
It sounds like you're underwater.
Yeah, we barely heard you. It sounds like you're like Kennyny from south park can you hear me better now
yes it's my my uh it's my headphones um but yeah i uh shit what was i saying now
um yeah i just like it trump is such a freaking mixed bag, totally unpredictable.
I'm sorry, but I've given up when it comes to the market.
I'm not trading it.
I'm trading it, but I'm looking for capitulation.
And I'm just looking for buy order blocks if I'm kind of bullish.
I'm looking for buy order blocks if I'm kind of bullish and I'm just letting magnets do their work and letting all this news and letting all the markets just shake themselves out.
And I'm just letting magnets do their work.
Because I think, you know, like you can't predict what's going to happen with this guy in power.
He's a loose cannon and a mixed bag.
Nobody's got a clear handle or hang on what he's going loose cannon and a mixed bag nobody's got a a clear handle or or hang on like what he's
gonna do next so like why why why even try and front run it you can't you're gonna get
fucking wrecked just like uh james winn or whatever thinking that the whole world's against
them when the reality is is just like macro is just uh super screwed right now because of what's going on right there's
definite uncertainty so that's why i just take like a a step back kind of approach now and um
but i'm still i'm still you know optimistic and bullish um i also think that a lot of what's going on is probably
done to pump and dump
the market for these guys' own
fucking bags and they're going to be running
their own banks and shit and
ETFs and they're just loading
and they're doing it in a legal manner
and until
somebody stops them, it ain't really going to
stop
Yeah man, I really going to stop.
Yeah, man, I'm going to open my own bank as well.
As well.
Let's everybody open their own banks and just take money from people or whatever the fuck.
They're all just going to...
Eventually close, we'll get bailed out.
You know, if you can't beat them, join them or something like that.
No, I'm kidding, of course.
Banks are the devil, man.
That's why we're here.
That's why we're in crypto is to fucking kill the banks.
If we can.
Yeah.
And then you've got banks that are creating all these CBDCs now.
And people are all for it.
It's crazy.
Yeah, people don't want freedom, they want convenience.
Yeah, people don't want freedom.
They want convenience.
Until their freedom is taken away.
Yeah, but you're right. uh willing to sacrifice privacy and freedom and a lot of uh
all the things that we we you know take for granted just for for a little bit of uh
of convenience which is uh is sad and on that sad uh thought uh, I bid you goodbye until next week.
Bye.
Adios.
Sayonara.
See you guys.
Au revoir, Yvain.
See you guys next week.
Same time.
Adios. Thank you.
