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Memes & Dreams 134 🌤- BTC ATH, wen DOGE?
Recorded: July 11, 2025 Duration: 0:58:39Space Recording
Short Summary
In a lively discussion, crypto enthusiasts explored the recent bullish trends in the market, highlighted the upcoming launch of the DC64 platform for token creation, and emphasized the exciting convergence of AI and crypto, paving the way for innovative projects and increased accessibility.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Hey, everyone.
Hey, everyone.
Hey, everyone.
So, I know Ivan can't be here today.
I am hoping that James and Richard will show up.
But yeah, if you're here and in the audience and you want to talk, please request.
I definitely can't talk for a full hour by myself.
What's up, happy Friday?
That was my dog.
I don't know if you could hear him.
I guess I will try to play the Doge Chain Anthem.
Hope for a few more people to join us.
And, you know, yeah, we'll see if anybody joins.
And if not, we'll just end the space early.
But I'm going to play the DC anthem.
Thank you. Yo, Doge fam gather round the space, Meas and dreams were setting the pace,
No change to bind, just hearts that roam.
Don't change families, this is how
The mic is on the mic or isn't Richard's cool.
Nicole's got the handle, she's happy for us all.
Her fans in the Mipsy slip in every pick.
James dropped the macro truth, makes the market shake.
He dropped to the stars where it's wicked.
For only good every day, that's the code we hold. true
It's the
Dojo Dojo! Oh
Jane every dream we're all there Thank you. all right all right that was it so uh thanks for. I know that was a little bit strange listen because I was playing it on the computer where I'm hosting the space from.
And so there was a bit of an echo.
So thanks for tolerating it.
Yeah.
So anyway, how's everyone doing? Does anybody want to talk? It's just going to be me. I don't think I can carry it. I sent a message to Ryder, Richard, and
James asking if they were going to come. Doesn't look like they've seen it yet. Listen, if you want to come, just, if you want to talk, just request.
Pennybags?
I'm going to invite you.
You're invited, Pennybags.
Canuck?
You want to come i'm gonna invite you
hey penny bags
hey how's it going happy friday yeah happy friday no one was around uh last week
yeah july 4th right right yeah we didn't do this we didn't do this space
because we figured you guys were all off for canada day
and all the americans were off doing drunk american stuff
yeah plus the the markets don't tend to do well on uh july uh 4th for some odd reason over the last couple years but uh then they they tend
to get like a market tends to like either pick up on the day of or or like right at the last minute
i've noticed yeah so i was in july 4th is my birthday so i was definitely doing drunk American shit.
Nice.
That's awesome.
So you killed two birds with one stone.
I love it.
Yep.
Yep.
So yeah.
What, yeah.
What did you, so what did you do?
You were still celebrating Canada Day, right?
Yeah. Yeah.
Still celebrating Canada Day, but we Yeah, still celebrating Canada Day,
but we had a kind of like a extra long weekend. I guess if people were fortunate enough to take
off the Monday, because the Canada Day fell on a Tuesday. And since that's a federal holiday,
some employers would give employees the Monday off.
Um, so yeah, people would be off like, uh, Saturday, Sunday, Monday and the Tuesday.
So it was pretty good week.
I saw a lot of people out and about, um, Canada day seemed, uh, very like, I just went to like
a local fireworks at a city hall and, um were, like, really, really short, but huge turnout, but just seemed, like, a lot shorter compared to previous years, probably because they didn't want to spend as much money on fireworks or something.
Hey, tell me the origins of Canada Day.
That, I should know.
But yeah, I wasn't really a history buff.
I didn't pay much attention in civics class in grade 9.
So, but yeah.
Canuck, do you know?
You're laughing at me?
You're Canadian.
Your name is Canuck.
Pathetic. Pathetic.
Pathetic, really.
All right.
How's everyone doing this morning?
Hey, King Dang Tush.
How's it going?
I'm good.
How are you, Nicole?
I'm good.
I'm good.
Do you want to talk about the markets?
Everything seems to be going up.
That's good.
Yeah, yeah.
I've still down like 70% on most of my stuff, so it's got a ways to go.
Well, that recovery is going to take a while.
But, yeah, no, it's exciting.
I mean, I'm you know just start seeing the
enthusiasm come back and things start rippering going into the fall and end of the year
yeah that would be awesome well okay so i was looking at the charts today
and i was like oh doge doge chains or Dogecoin is doing really well.
Yeah, it's hit 20 cents.
Yeah.
It's really, I think that's when people start to get bullish is anything over 20 cents.
Just like Ethereum, you know, once it starts hitting around 2,800, people start getting interesting.
If it cracks 3,200, I think people are really going to feel like they're missing out or missing the move.
And we'll see some FOMO coming in and people looking for the next potential dip or leg down to get their entries.
But everything's looking like it's going up and continues to go up with good strength and not a lot of manipulation um not a lot of fake outs or uh stuff that nature or whipsaws but it's like um i'm i don't know i'll
be honest with you i'm opening up shorts uh and i'm close and i'm trailing my lungs and stopping
some of them out um but yeah i just i want exposure on the downside if we do get some.
Because I want to make money in both directions.
So I have my longs on already.
Baking in the oven from like a week ago when we hit RSI dips of 30 on the one hour and four hour time frames.
And those are just starting to play out now.
So I figured now is probably a good idea to start DCing some shorts if you're into that.
But yeah, it's probably risky as hell.
Because I think we're like, I don't know, I think this is like a good signal
that maybe we're finally getting an altcoin run or gearing up for one.
A real bull run.
Yeah.
Yeah, no, I mean, that would be great.
I'm like completely invested in altcoins.
So it'd be a real bummer if that never happens.
And I know some people are saying, saying you know there will be no alt season
that's that's impossible right yeah to have one just due to the simple fact of like m2 money
supply and liquidity yeah right right uh seven trillion dollars just sitting in money market funds. And as soon as the interest rates get lowered,
all that cash that's stockpiled in bonds
collecting a good yield right now,
once that becomes unattractive to these money market funds
because interest rates will come down,
then they'll put their money into literally anything
that will get them higher returns so
money i just see is like liquidity and money is just like uh electricity it's gonna flow to
the path of least resistance uh so yeah and and whatever is gonna provide the biggest bang or
most returns
plus they're going to be printing a shitload more i think some estimates are are they
printing more money than what was in covid well yeah so that's the big that's the big question
right so i know that markets started pumping as soon as the rumor that jerome powell had resigned as the sec chair started circulating
but you know it turns out that was just a rumor right well there was other stuff that hi hi everyone
sorry i only have a minute nicole i actually sent you a message nicole in your dm so if you want to
check it later oh yeah hi everybody i only have a few minutes so i don't have a lot of time but
yeah also there was also some other uh fed chair was saying that they're gonna i forget for which
which state or whatever they were saying another thing i saw was that they're gonna probably lower
the interest rate so that did a big catalyst as well i saw so it wasn't just a foul uh sorry foul
yeah he is foul anyway a foul it's it wasn't just a powell rumor that he was gonna
that he was uh leaving but uh anyhow i just wanted to add my two cents there but yeah some
memes yesterday man uh they did some nice climb uh some moves um it was really good even a couple
dose chain uh tokens did okay omnom did a little bit of a nice uh i think it was omnan did a nice little move
um you know some ethereum token meme coins like pepe did a nice uh move about 14 up i think or
something like that um i was good last night around six i think i've seen it was like a little
bit overbought i was looking at trading view and i never short i was going to a penny but then i chickened out and i didn't
i can't ever short man i just don't have i can't do that i just can't do i feel bad
i'm pro crypto i can't go against it i don't give a i couldn't do it so
yeah do you okay so i know you only have a minute but do you know the history of canada day
uh well i know john uh john mcdonald was our one of our forefathers the original uh pm and i know
we have fireworks every year in certain towns that's that's as far as i know for my history
there about canada day um that's about it but i know there was a civil war okay i'm gonna have to look into
this then thank you yeah you know you got me curious because since you mentioned it i might
too just uh just to to re uh uh you know re uh what's the word here re-up and see my country i
am for i am canadian i was born in rain tears so this is shit i should know and it's all good
it's good to
have a refresher on it it just you know lately i haven't been super patriotic because i'll be
honest just uh the last 10 years of uh the the libtards in uh in power just making really morale
bad over here so it's uh yeah but this is why this is why crypto too it's just the the central bank's a joke our government's
a joke so all in crypto baby let's go yeah anyway love y'all i'm gonna go as a listener
just keep me on speaker just in case i can come back okay i'll be listening okay sounds good
so here's the deal with canada day right like back I don't know, like the 1860s or something, Canada was formed by actually like some British colonies.
And I think it was in like the 1980s or something that Canada was finally like, yo, like let's get our own constitution.
You know, let's ditch like the British colonial vibe.
And hence Canada Day was
born. So, you know, it's only like 40 years old, but they do do beer and barbecues and, you know,
maple, everything, of course, and, and fireworks. So that's, that's a brief history of Canada Day.
All right. Thank you, non-Canadian. Yep. I can confirm about the barbecue and beer we're like that's a religious outing for us
like even even in wintertime we crack the beers open and we fire up barbecues even in
when snow is like six feet deep what about the maple everything that too
what about donuts from tim hortons actually i think maple syrup is correct me if
i'm wrong maybe i should ask ai or something but i think maple syrup's actually by weight
worth more than gold it's one of the top five uh by by actual like uh, by liquid.
Yeah.
I believe that.
What about a Tim Horton's donuts?
Yeah.
How do you know Timmy's you've been up here before?
I've been there.
Yeah.
Oh, where are you bent?
Uh, Ontario, Detroit, where, where, which, uh, where'd you go?
Toronto.
Oh, you were in the T.O.
Oh, you know, Tim Horton's, I tell you, uh you uh it's has it it's not if you haven't been here in a long time they've added a lot to the menu unfortunately though it's not really a
canadian company anymore so um yeah no i actually can't eat donuts um but i've like been there and
i know about tim hortons yeah they they, they've added so much to the menu.
They even tried the pizza.
It was disgusting.
I don't know if they still have that.
It was just a try one time.
It was gross.
I'll never fucking eat that again.
That was so disgusting.
Okay.
Yeah, I believe it.
Does anyone know why?
Have you tried Tim Hortons donuts?
Why what? Have you tried Tim Horton donuts? Why what?
Have you tried Tim Horton's donuts?
I can't eat.
I can't eat donuts.
I have food allergies.
Oh, okay.
I'd have to say for sure, like American donuts take the cake.
Really?
For sure. Well, hold on the cake. Really? For sure.
Well, hold on.
Penny, do you remember Country Style?
If they're still around,
those donuts are the best.
They compare it to Dunkin' Donuts, bro.
They compare it to Dunkin' Donuts.
Coffee time, I know there's not many of them,
but they're fucking the tits.
So they compare it to Dunkin' Donuts in the States, man.
You remember that, country styles?
Old-fashioned for the win.
I haven't been there in a while,
but last I remember they tasted like they were good,
but they were like a little on the sweet side.
Well, that's the point.
You want sweetness, right?
And they're freaking massive like Dunkin' Donuts.
I know Dunkin donuts coffee
Oh, the size of them. Holy shit
Last time I was there I was in new york and they I remember I got a cop because I had to drive back to toronto
So I had to drive overnight this thing. I never knew they even made that size
It was perfect got me through but I was so wired
I was supposed to get home because I live a little bit north of tor so wired i was supposed to get home because i live
a little bit north of toronto i was supposed to get home i end up in driving right to lake shore
and even realize i was there and this is when i was with the the horses when i used to work with
horses and i was supposed to be at the racetrack end up in downtown because i was so freaking
wired up i didn't even know where the i was going and i got and i got my trainers calling me
where the are you we're in the third race. You're gonna miss it
I was like, I don't know. I'm fucking wired up. I don't know how I'm in Toronto
I just made it in time though. Yeah, it was good times back then. I miss owning horses
That was the best time back in the day, but what can you do shit happens?
Life changes changes takes you to different places
Yeah, that's one thing for sure Life changes changes takes you to different places
Yeah, that's one thing for sure
It does
So what's going on penny what's some update let's hear some
Crypto updates that you're building right now because before I have to pop off and then any any other alpha from anyone else that has any alpha I i did uh i did i did a before i let i
i go i did do uh another retweet about uh hemorrhoid cream on your under your eyes i just want like a
better response before i do a giveaway i did one giveaway not long ago i did another i'm doing
another one i just if i can get a better response guys let's go Let's see some more means before I just
Alright, so let's just see a couple more and let's go give another few days if not I'm just gonna just random do it anyway. Okay. All right guys
Let's hear some alpha penny. What do you got with your with your Commodore 64 thing that you're doing?
Yeah, guys, you can check it out at
DC 64 dot dog and saying that you're doing yeah guys you can check it out at uh dc64.dog and uh it's not fully launched yet but that's the website and um hoping to get something up this weekend sorry i
keep saying that um but yeah it's fully functional in the sense that the, like the DAO is preliminarily set up, but I want to ensure
that, you know, it's, it's, it's fully audited for different types of attacks or penetration.
And I want to beef up the security. So that stuff will come later, like the actual DAO and the token
that will be released for the, for the platform.O and the token that will be released for the platform.
So looking to release a token for this platform, it'll likely be called DC64.
But yeah, there's no official token out yet.
So anything that you see that's already released is obviously a scam.
already released is obviously a scam and uh this this platform is essentially created um as a
homage to the commuter 64 uh computer uh which was one of the most popular personal computers
um before the internet was around um and uh it's kind of memeable uh so it played really well with
like um because it's it's it's commuter 64 so i just put a d in front of it, because it's Commodore 64.
So I just put a D in front of it.
So now it's DC64.
And the idea is, is that we'll be using the DC token to pretty much power everything up on chain, sorry, on the platform to use DC token to either launch other tokens with it to provide liquidity for those tokens,
to pair it also against the DC64 token.
And then from there, once the DAO is up,
the community who owns the token will be able to vote on features
that you want to see in the platform.
So the whole idea behind it is to make it as lean as possible
and featureless, so to say, in the beginning.
And this is intentionally done on purpose
so that it gives the community the opportunity
to be part of the development process itself
and vote on features that they want to see in it.
So they'll be able to entirely shape the platform
to whatever they want. And we'll be able to entirely shape the platform to whatever they want. And
we'll be using artificial intelligence to build it all out using different APIs, different
inference networks, et cetera. And basically, that's the idea behind it. So if we want to build
something like a pump.fund website, that's entirely possible. We can work towards that if the down community votes on that. Anything's, it's designed to be modular. So it's whatever the community wants to build out
as long as it's determined to be feasible and practical, right?
So we could build in any features.
First, I'm releasing it with just a basic token creation contract.
That's modeled off the OpenZeppelin contracts.
And we'll just offer basic token creation for free at first.
Just pay the gas.
And the community will be able to vote on in the future.
If they wanted to, for instance, do an airdrop of some of our supply to people who have engaged with the platform and created tokens on it already etc and i've already got
like a back-end admins system that's tracking all of that um that we can pull data from later to uh
um to use to marketing to for marketing and other services and and different uh programs but yeah
that's the idea behind it um hopefully i'll have something up, at least something basic up this weekend
where you guys can start creating free meme coins.
Well, next to free, just pay the gas fee.
And yeah, just have fun
and maybe you'll get an airdrop in the future.
And yeah, that's the idea behind it.
It's an experiment
and it's kind of driven's it's an experiment and it's it's kind of you know driven by
community
coolio penny awesome
and I pinned the koo-ye giveaway from the Canuck here in the Jumbotron.
Oh, great. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So everyone, let's do new memes.
Oh, I love this one.
Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
The boobs grow from Hakuye.
Of course they do.
Why wouldn't they?
I like the glasses and the
you know, the other thing
in her mouth.
Yeah.
Oh, King Dink Kush, you came back.
Yeah, I don't know
what's going on in my audio.
I was trying to walk around outside
and it kept cutting in and out.
Oh, you were trying to pull a rock, and it didn't work.
I guess, yeah.
But, yeah, I keep, you know, I've been seeing the little giveaways for the haikuye or whatever.
And I've been meaning to make some new memes.
I just haven't had time.
I've been real busy, but I'll try I just haven't had time. I've been real busy.
But I'll try to...
I have some really funny ideas.
So I'll try to get around to it maybe this weekend.
Cool.
Yeah, yeah.
We should all work on memes for Hakuye. Let's keep it alive.
By the way, I don't know if anyone else was aware of this, but I just found out that unless you're a speaker on a space, there's like a 10 to 15 second delay.
on a space, there's like a 10 to 15 second delay.
So everyone that's just a listener is hearing things 15 seconds later than those of us that
are speakers. I just confirmed this in person. Don't ask me how. That's a huge latency.
It was. Yeah, I was. I was amazed. Right. But they, they have to change that unless, you know, Twitter figured out a way to control space and time, they had to eliminate that latency for people that are speaking with each other.
Yeah, I guess that's where they're allocating the resources to. And they probably have like something working in parallel that controls either stream. Yeah, but is what it is, right? I don't like do you see it impacting content delivery or really the speakers being able to engage with community and stuff?
It seems like the only impact that it could have is if you change from listener to speaker,
you're going to miss 10 to 15 seconds of content and you might not even be aware of it.
Yeah, that's a pretty bad situation.
Yeah, I've noticed that before when I
became a speaker in a space
that it skipped ahead and I was like,
well, I missed something.
Yep.
Yep, that was that.
Yep.
Can any of you guys watch the
Grok 4 presentation
on like all the new features and stuff
that's being rolled out
I didn't watch it what I did
notice about what I did notice
was that like Grok went temporarily
insane and I
was like cool
yeah
how many
Mecha Hitler meme coins are there already
man i missed it i didn't watch it yet usually i'm on top of these things and i spend like a
couple hours every day just trying to keep up with all the different ai models coming out
but i miss i haven't watched this one yet because i'm working on some other things and just i plan to um but yeah it sounds exciting um but yeah i didn't know that uh there
was this huge uh thing that happened and now it spawned a whole bunch of meme coins and stuff but
well i don't know if it spawned me I was just guessing but
yeah the whole Grok 4
going rogue or whatever and them
having to shut down but I guess it's out now isn't it
you can use it now
yeah you can use it now
and I heard some I don't know if it was a
rumor or something but like the
like the head exec that just
like left
X apparently had something to do
with Grok
and what Grok did or said
or something like that. I don't know.
Yeah, Linda Iaccarino.
She was the CEO that was installed
by Musk to replace
him. She's also Jewish,
so I don't know if it was just a
coincidence that she resigned
the day after Grok went all Mecca Hitler.
Ah, okay. Now I understand. Yeah.
Well, I know that they said that they're already using it to train their image model, which will be ready in a month or something.
And then they have a video model. They'll do video rendering by the fall or September or something and then they have a video model they'll do like video rendering by like the fall
or like september or something uh what they were saying in the video and they were talking about
some other crazy stuff that he thinks that will be happening by the end of this year like next year
like for um like video game developers um it'll like source and library like textures and stuff automatically for them.
Like, so he said like the first fully AI,
like commercially available,
like fully AI created game will probably come out next year.
That's how fast he sees it going.
So I just went to X to Grok to try to use Grok for,
it does not come with a Twitter subscription,
right? We can all use, I presume most of us pay for Twitter. I see a lot of blue checks, so we can use the better version of Grok that comes along with that, but apparently you have
to pay 300 bucks a year to get Super Grok, which includes Grok 4, which is supposed to be the much better one because I've
been looking into this because just today I bought chat GPT plus the paid
$20 a month version because I'm trying to compare the two I'm trying to compare
grok and chat GPT to see which one is better I still haven't decided I think
they can do different things better than they're good i use them both all the time i'll like
kind of work back and forth between them yeah because like one like chat gpd is good for some
things and then like grok's good for others kind of i would say it's good to use both
yeah yeah i agree if you had to choose one that just overall is better and i totally agree that
they're better at different things.
It's not like one of them is better in everything than the other one.
But if you had to say which one is overall better,
I'm curious what anyone would say.
Chat GPT.
I agree, actually.
At least right now.
I don't know what Grok for it would be like.
But I use Chat GPT for image generation, for copywriting, for a lot of stuff.
Yep.
Yeah, I prefer chat GBT for copy and anything kind of like academic related.
But I like Grok for deep research.
I think it just kills, it blows every fucking model out of the water in that
regard like any model i've tested it against all of them even even google's gemini it's even better
than google google's gemini it seems to be able to source everything on x too you know yeah that's
so that's like which is a huge advantage for like breaking news or new yeah that's its advantage and that's why elon bought x right it's it's
having access to all of this like data right like data is the new digital gold basically so um he
now he can tap into all this and uh yeah build out ai systems based off of the input we're giving
and and publishing on the platform itself but yeah so i use it for
that as well like if you want to do sentiment analysis or ask about a token or like any world
events and stuff like that no better place than to use uh grok um for real-time events happening
on the platform itself but uh yeah chat gpt is great great for copywriting and stuff of that nature.
It's reasoning models like O3 can be good at coding and stuff. But for UI and UX development and front-end work, nothing beats Claude Sonnet, I don't think.
Gemini Pro is getting up there, but not quite there.
but not quite there.
And yeah, this Grok 4 being 300 USD per month is kind of,
I don't know.
A correction.
I see some people are criticizing it
because it does so many different buckets of reasoning.
There are those with and those without.
Yeah.
That's what's happening with AI.
It needs to be significantly better than clod code because uh clod codes 200
dollars a month and uh so grok 3 it needs to be significantly better for me to to want to
be enticed to to want it over uh clod code or something like that. And with cloud code,
I know I can get like 4,500 or more prompts in an entire month.
So I'd have to be working like full fucking time,
24 seven building out shit.
And,
and,
and it has access to the Opus model as well,
which apparently that's the cat's ass as well,
but I haven't tried that.
So it's,
it has even better reasoning than like Oh three, et what are you using clods on it for the car you i ux like the front okay ux like
anything design related yeah yeah design related it excels at and then uh yeah i use
anthrop what's for like the back backend coding like what are you using for that
so grok's good at uh giving direction on like specific code and stuff okay um but not so good
with like uh conceptual planning it seems to be a little too like very like terse and and it doesn't
expand enough but yeah anyway these are just like kind of my,
my opinions on it.
But,
and then I use Google Gemini's fucking great.
Like it's competitive advantage over all the others is it's context windows
over a million tokens.
So I forget that's like 10,
tens of thousands of lines of potential code or copy,
or hundreds of pages or thousands of PDFs.
So context is really the biggest kind of handicap or limiting factor right now
for AI and, and Gemini, Gemini's got all the models beat on that.
But there's workarounds you can do.
Well, their video model, VO3 is really impressive.
Yeah, that, that too.
And their, and their pro subscriptions only like $30 a month or less.
So, like, I mean, people slide it again.
It's not too high on tokens either for the quality that it's generating.
Again, it's like different tools do different things differently.
Yeah, and it all has to do with, like, it all has to do with, in particular, like, Claude Sonnet and Gemini are kind of on the same part because they're trained with the latest Next.js and frameworks.
So their training is more up to date.
And that's why they produce better UI and UX.
But yeah, that's usually the problem.
Why most people's apps and stuff look like shit,
but because they're trained on, on, on, you know, stuff that's eight months old or, or longer. And
you can solve a lot of those problems by just downloading really good boilerplates and starting off with things like
ShadCN and Tailwind
and specifying that as like your, you know,
your rails or what to build on.
And then it gives you like a solid framework
that keeps shit consistent
and you don't have to fuck around with building things from the ground up.
Right.
Which this is what's giving me the DC 64 platform.
It's taking longer than usual because the,
the design is so custom,
right?
So I'm having to like tweak like little this corner,
that line,
this,
that,
and then test it across multiple viewpoints and devices as well
and screen sizes.
So that's why it's taking me longer.
But hopefully it pays off in the end
and it's something truly unique, right?
that's awesome that's awesome
That's awesome. That's awesome.
yeah i gotta check out claude um it's on my it's on my list
yeah man you gotta check check it out try all them um it's just so hard to keep up there's uh
there's so many and then also there's always coming out with updates like every week it's just so hard to keep up. There's, uh, there's so many. And then also there's
always coming out with updates like every week it's like, Oh, this week it's, you know,
cling. And then next week it's, you know, mid journey. And now it's, you know, it's like with
all the tools, you know, it's like chat GPT, then it's grok, then it's deep seek, then it's,
you know, whatever. Yeah. It actually, it's becoming a problem it's deep seek then it's you know whatever yeah it actually is becoming a
problem it's starting to prevent me from doing actual work trying to yeah it's fucking it's a
job they cause this update you gotta watch like how many hours of tutorials to figure out whatever
to use new features and stuff like yeah but i mean it might be it might be up worth it in the end right because
like oh no so many jobs are being replaced by ai and if you know how to use the ai tools
properly you you might be saved 100 yeah no for sure yeah i think well I think that's what it's going to come down to in the
future with this AI stuff my opinion is going to be that like we're all going to be operators in
the end right so it's just going to be you need to learn how to use all these tools and be able
to navigate them string them together and be incredibly resourceful. And that's what employers are going to be hiring you for is
your ability to kind of map these things all together in unique strings and ways and forms,
because there's going to be so many different approaches to doing things that they're going
to be hiring. Like it's going to come down to like you never know like
this could become a talent in and of itself and then that's why I started like adopting getting
involved in this AI shit like as soon as possible because my first impressions of it was like okay
this is like a language you need to start and how do you learn the language right you have to start
using it every fucking day because everything comes down to communication and prompt engineering.
One little keyword, the way you frame either a question or a direction to these AI determines has so much impact on the output that it really comes down to the input so in the end like if people are really worried
about uh ai taking over don't be because it it's still going to require a human at the end of the
day to make the decisions to pull the trigger to come up with creativity initial seed yeah
the initial seed of where to start like that initial spark of creativity or whatever fucking idea that you have, that's your power as a human.
And your only job really at this point is to be able to fully articulate that idea, express it and communicate it properly in the best way possible with the most amount of context possible to the ai so that it really
understands what the fuck you're talking about and what you want and it can build it out so that's
going to be like the talent that people have to start working towards i think and uh it's like
other arguments people saying what's the point of school and this and that or whatever well it's like
yeah like maybe for certain fields and this and that, but like in retrospect, come to think about it now is if we're all going to be operators at the end of the day, then I want the smartest people with the most amount of, you know, training and soft skills and foundational kind of education
and knowledge behind the wheel, not some fucking idiot, right?
Because it's no different than a car, right?
Like you could be driving a weapon here basically
with the say-hi stuff.
You know, you can build powerful things for good or for bad.
And you can completely, you can make a shit ton of money
or you can end up losing a shit ton of money or you can end up
losing a shit ton of money for people too.
So you don't want someone
wielding that who
doesn't know what the fuck they're doing or is
an idiot, right? Sorry for my
language.
What's cool is like,
you know, you can use all these tools
to build something on like DogeTrain
and launch.
That's kind of like what you're working on, but a little more sophisticated.
But I mean, people could come up with some fun little dap idea or whatever and use these tools without really having much coding knowledge or whatever.
That's what I'm finding.
AI just opens up so many possibilities as long
as you have like a creative mind for it and the will and drive to learn you know it's yeah you
can make anything possible yeah man i think we're gonna hit like a goal you know like it would be
awesome if we hit like this golden period of crypto converging with AI.
People become producers of all shapes, sizes, and kinds.
People are able to produce and create things for themselves and create new businesses and things and launch tokens.
That's an entire paradigm shift in industry in and of itself.
I think the vibe coding scene is going to get fucking huge real soon.
It already is.
And I think it's mixing it with memes, too.
Oh, man, it's going to be fun.
Yeah.
The other one part of AI I was just trying to look at into is,
there's a
gum loop and, um, it's like N eight or something like workflows where you basically set these
AI workflows where it'll like do a whole entire process.
So like you were just saying, like using AI to like run a meme coin, you'd have AI be
generating these images for this meme and doing the scheduling, posting them to social,
like doing the auto like reply guy, like all that stuff can be set up through AI
and all be automated, you know, and like with AI agents and everything.
Just finding the time to sit down and actually build it all, you know.
That's where the real roadblock comes in, I guess.
Yeah, it's all the time.
Like the most, the thing that takes the most amount of time is the planning.
That's where I would spend the most amount of time up front.
That's what people don't spend the most time on.
And I think it just, you end up doing more work than necessary later down the path. But yeah, the biggest time killer is the testing, the QA and the QC and refining and testing and everything.
Oh yeah, totally.
On the topic of AI and crypto, let's say you're not an expert coder but want to get
more into crypto, potentially make money in crypto, how would you go about it?
Is there something you could put on your resume, for example, or a certain path or certain
skill that you would learn in furtherance of that goal.
For crypto specifically or for AI or.
Well, OK, let's start with crypto. Sorry. No, let's start with AI.
right with AI what should you put on your resume like uh expert GPT prompter or experience GPT
chat GPT prompter or something like that prompt engineer is like prompting nice I think that's
like a really cool title to give it thank you um it really depends I mean yeah i mean you can use a lot of different ai tools for
different things crypt that are crypto oriented i mean people doing like those ai agents and like
the swarms like you know building them on was ai 16z using the eliza os or whatever um but there's
other ones too i know virtuals is pretty big you know so if you can learn how to prompt or i mean not
prompt if you know how to if you can learn how to code and deploy your own ai agents for doing like
perp trading and and defy and everything like that i mean i don't think you need a job resume
at that point right exactly so yeah that was that was my second question
so yeah that was that was my second question um is there a a course or i know tutorial
i don't know a youtube series that's a good way to learn that um i don't really know how it
pronounces you it's like my calcium but they're called the dabble club if you like look them up
on x or on youtube they um they put out on youtube especially like a whole crash course
series on how to like deploy your own ai agent using eliza os which i think it's one of the more
common ones i don't virtuals might be another but there's just plenty of youtube videos but that was
one i know of and like i think the uh broadcasts are like an hour long each for hour and a half so if you watch like the first four or
five it'll you'll have enough knowledge and be ready to deploy your own ai agent they use like
claw and like riplet and you know github so you have to have some like familiar some be somewhat
familiar with these tools but they make it pretty easy i made it through the first three episodes
and i got kind of too busy but that's one place I would suggest, but there's, I mean,
there's tons of resources out there. Um, or you can just ask rock.
You called them dabble club.
Yeah. Dabble club is actually one of our partners.
Oh, sweet. All right. Heck yeah. Thank you. Hello. Hello.
I can hear you. Hey, Mimi. We're actually about to wrap up this space because we're at the end
of the hour. So as much as I enjoy your nonsense i've removed you as a speaker
sorry about that lady next time
okay she left so mimi is uh good time sometimes she likes to just like make she's like i don't
know drunk or she's just a massive troll.
But I do have to call Rock in six minutes. So I have to end the space in six minutes.
And there's just no time for Mimi today.
Can I ask another question before the end of the space?
Yeah.
It's about education, right?
Because I'm a statistics professor. usually I teach engineering students, but in the fall I'm teaching, I would say, non-engineering students.
There possibly might even be non-STEM students in the class. So these students are probably not going to end up being coders or developers.
How do I teach stats in the new AI world that is emerging? How do I motivate them to learn it?
Should I change how I teach it? I used to teach some coding uh like using r the statistical programming language
should i even still bother to use that or and if not how should i change um the curriculum and the
motivation if you want to teach like the understanding the concepts and how to apply them
probably more so than like actually using the formulas. It's like, that'd be my suggestion.
Yeah, that's what I think people have the most difficulty with is trying to like think abstractively how systems and design works that way.
how systems and design works that way.
And I wouldn't discourage anybody who,
even if people don't want to get into coding
or they don't think that they'd be well-suited,
literally anybody can get into it at this stage using AI.
You just genuinely, I think, need to be a good problem solver.
You need to be able to think outside the box and it's all about just piecing
these tools together, thinking outside the box,
asking the right questions even to the AI.
And then it's all about just logic, reasoning,
questioning things and problem solving.
That's all it is at the end of the day.
Right.
So like,
and then that's what people generally hire others for, um, fundamentally when you break it down anyway, it's people's
abilities to solve a problem, uh, in the marketplace, right. Um, that's what it comes
down to. So you just need people, people who can think things through and think really well.
And the students and cohort that you're obviously teaching have all those interests and fundamentals down pat.
So like they're, you know, I'd encourage them to use it or explore it.
it if I was you I don't know okay yeah no that's what I would do you get any data on your students
If I was you, I don't know.
Okay.
Yeah.
No, that's what I would say.
before your class starts like you know do you get information about what you know their overall what
their majors are or anything like that because I mean I had to take statistics because I was doing sociology, right? So like religious studies with like a
heavy sociology background in my master's program. So I did have to take statistics.
The question is like, do you have any data on them? So you could look like,
oh, three quarters of them are in engineering programs or, you know?
Yes. Yeah, yeah. I can look up the class roster
and see who's on it, what their major is. I believe I can look up their GPA, what classes
they've taken and what grades they've gotten in those classes. I think that actually looking at
that before you develop the curriculum might help too, knowing what information, like just knowing that,
then you could develop the curriculum better to suit the students. Okay. So I agree with what was
said about teaching concepts over say formulas or coding in the situation that I'm in. Is it possible to understand the concept without having to do it yourself?
For example, is it possible to truly understand what, say, a confidence interval
or a standard deviation means without ever having to actually calculate or compute one yourself?
Do you know what a TV is without knowing how it works? So you can understand
the effect or outcome, right? That's what is most relatable to people. So if they understand
the effect or outcome, they have some level of understanding of how how it's arrived
at that or how it's built um and then curiosity should should you know if they want to look
further into it lead them to the intricacies of how exactly it's done right but like top level
view they like that's the way people normally see things from my understanding.
All right.
Yeah, I think the students would appreciate that answer, the answer I've received.
And I think I would tend to agree.
but yeah they like um best programs to get started probably if students wanted to get
involved is like uh the two best kind of go-to programs right now is probably windsurf
and uh cursor um that's what a lot of people are using for like IDEs to code in.
But you can also use those to like chat with agents,
to develop marketing plans, copy, like anything you want, really.
Some people are even using like IDEs as a tool for that,
to even run their entire business.
Like they're setting up different connection points
with data for accounting and stuff like that,
hooking up even MCP servers,
and they're able to query exactly how much they're making on the books,
what the taxes are that are owed, everything.
And you can just generate landing pages for quarterly reports and everything.
Like there's people are stringing tons of crazy shit together
and using the IDs almost like a mission control center.
So you can do everything from there once you start.
You know what I mean?
Like it's not just for coding.
It can enable a lot of other things too.
That's what I'm starting to see people like use them for now too.
Yeah, yeah. I think I'm going to make AI not just allowed but required for my classes now.
That'd be awesome, man.
That'd be awesome, man.
All right, guys, we're there.
We're at the top of the hour.
I'm sorry to do this to you,
but I do have to end the space
so that I can make this other call.
Thank you, Nicole.
Yeah, thank you guys all for being here.
It was an awesome space.
And hopefully next week we can get
James, Ryderder and Ivan back.
Okay. See you all then.
Heck yeah. Thanks Nicole. See y'all.
Bye guys.
Bye everyone. Have a good weekend. Thank you.
