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Moments of the Unknown - 149
Recorded: Sept. 3, 2025 Duration: 0:58:19Space Recording
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Going live!
Episode 149.
Holy fuck.
We made it this far.
Thank you, God.
Let's get our special guest up on there.
Les Cogumelos? Cogumelos?
Kogumelos?
Les Kogumelos?
Mellow?
Hello, friends.
Good morning.
Hello.
Les Kogumelos? Is that correct? Hello. Let's call you Melos.
Is that correct?
You're muted.
Just so you know.
Can you hear me?
Yes.
Oh, cool.
Nice.
Hello.
How are you?
I'm doing good. And you? Very well. Thanks for being our special guest today.
Yeah, my pleasure. Thanks so much for the invitation. How do I pronounce your profile count?
Les Cogumelos. Les Cogumelos. Yeah. Yeah. It's a mix of French and Portuguese.
Oh, that's cool.
The mushrooms.
Oh, it means the mushrooms?
Yeah.
Cogumelos means mushrooms in Portuguese.
Like fungi or magic mushrooms or just mushrooms in general?
In general, yeah.
Awesome.
Cool.
I like that you combine French and Portugueseuguese is that kind of where you're
from or um so when i came up with this name uh i was learning french at the time in 2020 so yeah
i was totally obsessed with the language and i don't know i just thought it was fun to mix both of them. It is fun. It's a cool name. Well, I'm so excited to
have you here and learn more about your art and you. We've only met once, so I'm really excited
to just learn about what you're doing. So if you don't mind, I'd love to hear about, like, your introduction and your background.
Okay, let's do it.
So I came up with this name, Les Cogumelos, five years ago. It's going to be five years that I'm constantly living and creating this artistic career.
But since I'm a kid, I have been doing lots of things like I started with design
and then like I was a teenager like 10 years old and then I was doing design I was like oh I think
I'm going to do this for a living and then I did some works for my mom and my uncle and then I was
like no I'm not going to do this because they, yeah, it's really hard. Like there's no much of creative freedom.
They like, you have to respect what the clients want.
And sometimes they don't want the most aesthetic choice.
So, but then I fell in love with photography when I was 15 and I got a camera and it was
so fun to, to play around.
And then I decided to do film school.
And yeah, it really was a big step for me.
And I'm very grateful that here in Brazil,
we have public school for college.
So it was totally like free learning.
And then I had like ads from the government.
So it was really nice to be able to study for four years,
which is a very elitist choice.
Usually people that go to do film school come come from like a privileged background.
So yeah, I was very lucky.
Films cost a lot of money.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Where did, where in, uh, well you said this was in Brazil.
Yeah, exactly.
In Brazil.
Yeah.
Which part of Brazil is, uh, is the film school?
So I'm from the South and I did in the South,
but I guess I think there's like five different public school for film school
here in Brazil in different parts, but I did in the South.
Yeah.
If you're ever in Rio,
if you're ever in Rio, I'd love to introduce you to my friend,
Cesar Oleoteco.
I don't know if you know the artist Oleoteco.
I'm not sure if I do.
Yeah, I lived for a
beating movie. I love the city.
It's really amazing.
Yeah, he's like a big
film. Like his father
was Oscar
Oleoteco or something like that.
Big artist
there. I'll send you some information about it.
Yeah, yeah, thanks, of course.
But what were the types of films you were making?
Yeah, so I was in our school.
We did like every semester we had to do a movie.
So it was very diverse.
We were always practicing. So that was a nice part of this method.
But yeah, I was mostly doing like the photography or the editing part. So yeah, the subject was always a bit of different. But by the end of the graduation,
I was very interested in documentaries,
mostly about ecological environment stuff.
So like in 2020, when the pandemic hit,
I was about to graduate,
but I couldn't because we had to stop the classes.
But my idea was to try to fit in those documentary sets
to learn about and to be able to work with it.
But then I discovered crypto art and everything changed.
But yeah, I still love it and i hope to
to work with it one day you know because i think it's very important to i don't know to share
about you know what's happening in the world in terms of the ecological crisis that we lived and
can you tell us more about that like if you were let's say had a mission and were funded and
you had a team what would be like the first documentary you would work on ecological systems
damn i've never thought about this but um yeah i'm interesting about the social part and how it's the impact of big companies coming to, especially like the South
Globe, coming to the South Globe to get their resources, you know, like the mineration and
then they just leave the people with all the garbage and the consequences of all the process that go into it.
So, yeah, I think a bit about that.
And I don't know, I think about a lot of the garbage situation.
I think the way that we deal with it, it's really like weird.
You know, you just throw things away, but there's no way.
It's just like they go to a pizza plant and usually people live by those places.
So they just have to deal with other people's garbage.
So that's so weird. Like that's countries that export their own garbage.
And I feel like there's so many ways
to deal with this Myanmar sustainable way.
For now, I'm living in a very rural area.
So it's a very small village.
And I don't lose the garbage service because I just, the organic stuff I composed, you know, just put make a second living to this garbage.
And like paper, I just burn it.
And I'm also using for a little bit of this for making art, because I have been doing sculptures.
And to make like the armor of the sculpture, I'm using some paper, plastic, because that I
can reduce the use of clay and also make it a more steady piece.
So yeah, I think there's so many ways you can.
It's not even that much of effort.
It's just the basic or separate organic with recyclable is something that already would have a huge impact.
But, you know, most people are not aware of that.
So I think something.
Can I ask you a few questions?
Yeah, of course.
So I'm really also passionate about what you're saying.
And I think it's something that we should be mindful of. And unfortunately, it became just a habit of consumerism where disposability and just not thinking of where these things end up or the half life of all these items, especially plastic.
plastic. And it just, it just makes me think like who really is in control, who really is
accountable. And, you know, these big corporations love to advertise that it's on the, on the
consumer and the person to take care of their trash when, you know, if they paid a little bit
more, they can make all of these environmentally sustainable and biodegradable. And, you know,
in a perfect world, in my, in my opinion, you know, in a perfect world, in my opinion,
you know, these corporations would play ball where everything they make would be combustible
and renewable that grows more seeds. You know, if I were a company, I would love to like have
packaging that just grows more seeds rather than pollutes more water. Um, but, but I don't know,
I don't know, you know, I'm, I'm curious what you think. It's like, why does the most like toxic
profitable companies create the most waste and that makes the most money? Like why, why can't
it be reverse engineered to make the most money by being the most efficiently environmentally sustained.
Like, why is everything so backwards
with how, you know, this all works?
Why does the most cheap thing make the worst impact?
Yeah, I don't know if I have the answer for that,
but yeah, I think people put profit above all and um i don't know it likes
a mind of be mindful about the consequences i think it just it's a lot about like the present
what it's going to give me in the present moment and not think about the broad vision of like um
and not think about the broad vision of like, yeah, the future.
I don't know.
And it's also kind of something that I think about,
like maybe that's part of the problem.
Because like culturally, I think most of people think about the future
as like a doomed, you know, like it's already like, I don't know, especially like in
movies or in things like that, it's always like dystopian future, it's never like an utopian future.
So, I don't know, maybe people feel like, oh, since the future is not in my responsibility,
I'm just going to do the best that i can for the present i don't
know i think it's a very complex subject to think like why those big companies don't have like more
responsibility with what they do but it's so true and if know, if it were more profitable to be more sustainable,
it's like, how do we, how do we find that route? And I, and I'm always thinking about
how to, how to, how can these Exxons and Coca-Colas rebrand to do something positive? And like,
wouldn't us, wouldn't we consume more if they were doing good for the earth? I don't know. It's just,
to me, it's like, it doesn't make any sense, obviously, to all of us. Yeah. Our water is getting poisoned and whatnot. But, you know,
something you said a few minutes ago about how, like, the garbage gets collected by other countries.
Have you been seeing what China's been doing? Or at least what I've been seeing is that they're,
they're, they're, like, you going through all their landfills
and like using that for making new energy.
And they're like,
they don't even have any more garbage because of that.
Yeah, that's cool.
No, I didn't know about that.
I think they're so ahead.
It's like beyond what we think is happening.
I don't know what's going on.
I'm seeing videos.
They might be propaganda.
I have no idea. But it's cool to think about that.
We could, you know, it's never too late. I think
maybe that's the optimist approach is we shouldn't look at the future
as doomed. I think we can change our future in this moment.
Yeah. Yeah.
I'm totally for that and also like um that kind of connects a little bit with
the art that i make because uh when i was starting i was like okay what i want to make and then i
try a few things and one of them was like i made a series that was very dystopian and then I made it and then I spent some time with it and then after I did
I felt like so weird like I didn't felt good because I was kind of projecting a future that
I didn't want and of course I think this is a strategy that works for some you know like
you show a future that is not good so people can in the present like okay I'm I don't want to
follow this path that I'm seeing there but for me I personally prefer like to to to go for the most
most most positive way of looking to things um what piece is that okay so so I did like it was in the old Hicke Nunk, but you can find an object.
Let me see here to share the...
It was the first time that I played with 3D like years ago.
It was really fun to make, but then, yeah, it didn't feel right.
Did you get your start in NFTss on hick and tunk no no i i start on ethereum like um yeah that was not a thing yet
well while you're finding that i'm going to ask you a couple more questions because we kind of got sidetracked by all the ecological shit we like to talk about.
So how did that lead you, you know, after film school?
Let's get back on track here.
And I want to connect that to your NFT journey.
Can you fill in the blank of that time?
I'm sorry, I got lost in the question. Can you repeat?
After film
school, what led you up to
making NFTs? Like, what was that whole
period like?
So, yeah, I was like, okay,
I'm going to go to...
My plan after graduation was
to pursue
the documentary sector
and also, also like to travel
doing my like tattoos
and watercolors
that I was doing at the time.
But still I also had
like a bit of
a weird feeling
that
anything
that I would pursue
would not fulfill me in a sense that I wouldn't be doing.
I don't know.
I would not be expressing something that is entirely mine.
You know, like that's something that I saw in the film industry.
Like you always kind of working for someone
and for their vision.
And then, yeah, I started doing like my own thing
and I felt like so,
I felt like I found myself doing that,
especially because growing up,
I was not, I was a very expressive person.
Like, I didn't talk much.
I was still, like, very quiet person.
And then I started making art, and I was like, okay, I think this is my expression.
You know, I don't need to be talking all the time.
I can just make art, and that's going to be what's going to
to express who i am and yeah i since then i couldn't look back it was just so uh
so nailed like okay this is it you know and yeah i don't know, it's just, it was, I always actually blessed also to founding.
So, so when did the, so you, from the documentary of, when did you start making your animations
and your collages and all this stuff? How did you utilize, you know, the, the film talent into
this new painterly style? So in 2020, I started like doing digital art with the tablet.
So I was like doing drawings and start with the animation.
But I started including videos in my art, like as a collage that we see now in 2022.
But it kind of was a progress you know i started doing
drawings in the in the tablet and then animation and then i was like okay how can i include
all the videos that i have in my hard drive you know and yeah it was kind of so
Yeah, it was kind of so easy to do this combination.
And now it's the style that I found.
And yeah, kind of a mixing of all the creative things that I like to do.
Because I'm also like, okay, I like to do film.
But I also like animation.
I also like drawing.
I also like drawing.
So it's like, you know, how can I make one thing that makes everything?
So that's what I end up finding.
So for you, the video outlet is animation and incorporates all your painting and collage
and all the stories you're telling.
And most of it looks like to me
the connection with human and nature can you tell us a little bit more about the symbolism of
you know the work with the like for example everywhere i grow up top this this looks like
a figure walking yeah uh so this is a project that combines two of my biggest passions, so with traveling and making art.
And yeah, the concept came in 2021.
And yeah, the idea is this woman walking and why there's like mushrooms and flowers and plants growing on her body.
flowers and plants growing on her body, a symbol of growing as a person, as an individual,
and also represents the idea of the places that I go, I can learn from it and also transform
that to grow into something new, you know, like I have lived in different cities and every time that I move, I know that like it's a chance that I can to be a more close version of myself, of my idealized version of myself.
So yeah, it's a process that never stops.
So she is always walking.
And then in 2023 that I decided to make this ongoing project
because I made the first version.
I was like, I love this, But I feel this can be anything.
This can be a totally different collage.
So I had this idea of making dynamics.
So every time I travel for more than 12 days to a place or region,
I make a new collage based on the place that I went.
But keeping the same woman walking so this way I can always like kind of recycle the piece every time you
know and finding new different things different ways of of making it work like the the last one it was really interesting for me because um again i could
um put inside the videos that i made while traveling so the last piece that i did
the interactive interactive so like there's like squares the piece where if you click it
the piece where if you click it,
it's going to lead to a video that I added.
And yeah, it's like an expanded version.
You can expand the piece by going
further on what that trip was.
You know, the visuals from Portugal,
very beautiful place that I was very surprised actually,
because I never imagined that I wouldn't find such a beautiful landscape there.
Can you tell us some of the places you visited or when you started traveling
and, you know, what kept you walking?
Yeah, actually, it's very, like, back then, like like I was 14 when I left my family's house.
Like when I was 12, I was already dreaming about traveling the world.
And then I found this opportunity of doing high school in the city close to mine.
But for that, I had to leave my home finally.
So it was the first adventure that I did, you know,
three years in another city, and then, yeah,
I just kept going, you know, traveling,
doing the school breaks, and always, like,
with a very tight budget, you know,
trying to stay in a friend's house or a stranger's house.
There's like this app called Couchsurfing where we can connect with people that host people for free.
So basically the only exchange that we have is like our company, you know, so we make company to those people.
And also they give like the knowledge about the place that they live, usually like locals.
So it's like a very nice way to travel without expanding much money.
And same time, we kind of learn the cultural aspect of the place by staying with someone
that is from that, from the place.
So, yeah.
And then when I was in college,
I did a pause in the college.
I don't know how that goes, but I did a pause. And then I did seven months backpacking in Brazil
from the south of Brazil into the middle of Brazil.
Brazil is huge, so like seven months for 17 cities.
It was really nice.
I did it with a friend, and it was the first time that I spent a whole...
It was like a real adventure.
It's not just like, oh, I went there and then come back.
This time, it was like, okay, we really experienced deeply our country, which was really nice.
And then, yeah, I feel more moving out and traveling.
And the first time that I was able to go abroad really was two years ago.
Then I went to live in France for a year. And again, it was like
a child dream fulfilling because, yeah, I always dream about living abroad. And it was like the
language that made me go because, yeah, like I said, I started studying French in 2020 and I had no like oh I want to go
to France I never thought about like I never had any connection with France or you know I know
people like dream about Paris and things like that but it was always like no I want more unusual
place like Russia, China, India I was usually more interested about those places,
but then I fell in love with the language
and I found a visa opportunity, which is really nice,
like for young people.
You can stay for one year in another country
with the possibility to find work.
Usually, that's the hard part because you can go but most of times you
cannot work in the place in the country but with this visa I could. But yeah I was like making art
and paying the bills with art so I didn't find didn't look for a job there. But I was also able to travel a little bit for other countries the eastern side of europe
also saw the snow for the first time yeah and went to so many nft events it was really nice experience
so i want to ask you a question and this just relates to traveling within your home country and traveling outside of your country
and you know from from personal experience when i was traveling for this project
you know went all over the continent and countries and so many different cultures and so many people
you can learn from and from the cuisines to the textures to the landscapes. But there is something very special about coming home,
traveling, traversing through your home country,
whether it's Brazil or America,
and seeing, like, different regions
are kind of also like different countries.
And I don't know, I just want to get your thoughts
on what it's like to travel home or abroad
or what kind of energies are fulfilling each place.
Does that make any sense?
Yeah, I guess so.
The difference between traveling in my home country and abroad, I mean.
Traveling in my home country and in abroad, I mean
Well just like what is the magic of you know
Staying in your country and like going to different regions you've never been because quite often
It's a choice, right? We could go to
Asia we can go to Africa we go anywhere we want but to stay
Let's say in South America or in Brazil because Brazil is massive or let's say America and
America is also massive and there's so many different parts to it 50 states I'm just trying
to understand like do you learn more when you about yourself when you're traveling your home
country or when you're traveling abroad learning new things? Yeah, in my home country it's really interesting because Brazil is very big so
I came from the south and now I'm living in the kind of north part and it's very different the way
things usually happen. So it's like, it's a bit of a cultural shock that I have, which is really nice because I think most of us do not expect that we would face so many difference being in the same country, but that's not true we did do and of course not as much as going abroad but still like
uh it's interesting because even though i'm brazilian we can see the difference from
different places you know like from the south usually people are more closed you know, my reserves and I don't know, people would say more cold than people from the
north. They are like, are more climate, so people are more like open to connect with people. So when
people, you are Brazilian because since you are Brazilian, you are more this and that, I'm like, yeah, kind of.
I'm not exactly like this stereotype.
I think it helps.
The more we learn about different cultures inside my country, the more I see these stereotypes
are usually fixed in one of two cultures.
It doesn't represent the totality in the diversity.
And that's what's more special, like the diversity.
It's really something that it's what I'm looking for when I'm traveling.
And we can have diversity in so many different places. And also the nature.
I mean, the nature in Brazil is really something else.
And I think that's my favorite part also.
Usually when I travel, it's for ecotourism.
So I'm looking to connect with nature.
And yeah, it's so many diversity of plants, animals, climates.
I think, yeah, that's, I can see like travel, I travel a lot about with bus.
So I can see by the window, like so, so different, like the environment, you know, like you can
see like here in the north it's more
dry so the trees are more sharp they are not so large in like there's a lot less
very vegetation in the the floor you know those kind of things it's really
nice to see have you been to the Amazon Oh no yes no I'm really looking forward to. No you haven't been
to the Amazon yet? No no so this is where I'm I'm in right now is the the farthest I went to Brazil
which is already far from home but I still have like so many other places to explore.
But now that I'm living here in this part,
it's easier to go to Amazon and other parts
because I was really in the very southern Brazil.
So it was really far from Amazon.
But now I'm more close and easier to get there, I hope.
So now we'll go.
How close are you to the state of Paraíba?
Paraíba?
Paraíba?
Paraíba, yeah.
I don't know, but I think it's one day in bus, two days in bus.
There's something there that I'm like called to just like you were saying you know you're called
to like ecological tourism ecological sites i'm like drawn to the archaeological ecological sites
and there's there's this thing called the inga stone okay have you heard of this
have you heard of the inga stone no no i don't think so so this inga stone has like fossils
and petroglyphs and like it's shaped as a massive serpent and it's in um paiba para para para para
para um we have like a very known but i know i don't know if it's in that state a very known um reserve of
ancient stuff i don't know i forgot the name how you say that
archaeological you know archaeological yeah but i'm not sure if this is in the in that state
Archaeological?
Yeah, but I'm not sure if this is in that state.
In the Paraíba?
Yeah.
Oh, it is there.
It's an archaeological site.
A lot of drawings, right?
In the stone?
Yes.
Yes.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah.
Are you near anything like that?
Or is that like a common thing across Brazil or in certain specific areas?
Specific areas, yeah.
But I'm not that close, you know.
Everything in Brazil is so far.
It's crazy because like I travel in Europe and not just the distance, but also how much we pay for traveling.
for traveling, it's so much easier in Europe than doing here in Brazil.
It's so much easier in Europe than doing here in Brazil, right?
Even if you convert the currency, it's still cheaper to travel there than here.
So yeah, it's hard for me to move around too much.
But I hope now that I'm a bit more close to those more extreme parts of Brazil,
those more extreme parts of Brazil I can go and come back which is also something new for me to
have a base which helps. That's awesome because you've been traveling so so long? Yeah usually
when I travel like even when I move I'm like okay I'm going to stay I know five months in this place
three months or maybe one year like in case of friends i was like
okay i'm going to stay one year i don't know what's going to happen next but i always have like a
deadline um and now i don't have a deadline i'm just like i found a nice place and i'm just here
you know living without having deadline to leave which is really interesting how does that feel because like when you're traveling
for many years and then you're suddenly still for one to two or more years or even the foreseeable
future how does that shift you know the way you see or the way you're experiencing things oh i
feel like that's less rush you know to to know know things, to get to, you know, since I'm here and I don't have like a time to live, I can just take the quiet life better, you know, I's interesting. It's like, we do need time to process all these movements.
Like, if we're constantly on the go, and it's in a way not rushing through life, but like,
flowing through life, we do need that stillness to process everything, all these movements,
years after they even happen.
Yeah.
Like, for this whole trip I did for two years ago, I'm still, like whole trip i'm i did for two years ago i'm
still like having dreams of things that happened two years ago maybe that it's getting brought up
through these daily posts two years later but the process it takes is like on a longer timeline than
you experiencing it in the first place you know how like i'm curious to what you think about especially as
an artist especially where you get your inspiration from when you live life experiences how long does
it truly sit with you how long does it exist within your mind or or to be fully you know
um synthesized through whatever our brain, our body
or does it never go away?
Or is it always part of us?
Or do we grow with these experiences?
I think it's always part of it
because every time we
revisit what happened
what we lived
we have a different look to it
but it's interesting because I make art and a lot of what happened, what we lived, we have a different look to it.
But it's interesting because I make art,
and a lot of the fragments that I do,
it contains parts of the trips that I did.
So I'm always revisiting those images.
And I don't know.
I don't have a nostalgic feeling,
but I definitely look with different eyes,
like what I lived.
And I don't know.
I don't know.
It's something that never goes away, I think,
like the processing of the experience.
It's never ending, like...
Or is the artwork
the final resting place
for that
feeling or that idea or that expression
that you could put to rest
and let it go?
Is art the letting go of an experience?
Yeah, maybe. At least for a while you know you're like okay
i process this like with this last one that i did from portugal um the trip happened like
two years ago and i'm just now like i was looking into the images and I was feeling like this, like, okay, I'm doing this and I'm taking my time with those
images and what represents to make this piece after two years.
And I was feeling like a closure, like happening.
But, yeah, it's still like there's a lot of, I don't know, I think it was a good closure,
I could say.
But also for me, it goes with a way to eternalize a moment, you know, like I did this and now
like this is, this is like fixed it, you know, it's not just in the memory it's like physical
of the experience like a physical consequence of the experience i don't know
it exists outside of ourselves to be shared with others yeah yeah exactly so what do you i only
have a few more questions um What are you working on now?
Where are your future travels, if at all?
What are you excited about in the NFT space?
I don't know.
Right now I'm kind of want to end,
finish some projects that I started a few years ago,
like in this case, everywhere I go, I needed to make a new edition.
So now that I did, I feel more like relief.
But also I have another work that I started two years ago and I really want to finish.
And it's like, it's called Solar System.
And it's a work that combines eight pagaments.
And yeah, I think I need to do three more to finish.
But still in the process, I'm also
working with these sculptures and scanning it and making a collage with it.
Like I did a few months ago, I released one piece that is Amour Psycdelique,
which is the first prototype of this new adventure because I did sculpture and then I 3D scan it.
And then I made a collage with each animation and all.
But I had I made a larger piece before that.
But since I haven't finished the digital pair yet, I didn't release it.
But it's I don't know know I'm very excited with it and my idea
is basically to use the blockchain to to um combine all the all the digital files from this
all the digital files from this sculpture.
So basically the idea is like the digital memory
of a physical experience.
So the art is the sculpture and the talking
is the remix of the sculpture,
but also includes like the process, the exhibitions, and things that
I do in the physical world with the sculpture.
What is the sculpture made, Adam?
I'm doing air dry clay, but also it's a mix of other materials like recyclable ones. And the idea of the concept of the sculptures.
I'm doing a collection, it's re-bird.
So it's like birds with mushrooms.
Two of my obsessions, birds and mushrooms.
And yeah, the idea is to reimagine new possibilities.
It's also a bit of what we're talking about,
to reimagine better futures.
But this is going to take a while to finish this collection,
but I like where it's going right now and yeah i don't know i like the
idea of um uh mixing um physical with digital and i think the blockchain also helps with that like
you know to make a archive of something physical you know
are you gonna make the sculptures 3d in 3d digital space too yeah yeah that's the plan
i want to ask you about mushrooms and bring it back full circle because i think you know what
i love about mushrooms is they they heal the environment they heal people they
take radiation out they take pollutants out is that is that something that fascinates you about
mushrooms and how they heal the environments i'm curious what what your obsession is or what your
fascination is and why you love them yeah this is also a reason, like, yeah, the idea that they are these recycles of nature.
I think that's a very beautiful idea.
You know, they decompose and they live through this, you know, to transforming something that is already gone.
transforming something that is already gone. And also the mycelium, which is this network
that lives beneath the soil. So basically they are connecting so many different life
forms, you know, they are helping this communication. And I know know in general I just think that since they are so
I don't know mysterious and misunderstood and some people find like I don't know
the kind of repulsive you know with mold and things like that and how bizarre they can be
and things like that and how bizarre they can be and and for me that fascinated me you know
because they are a essential part of uh of life and i know there's a lot of um phobia against it and
but yeah they are very mysterious and precious can i say a few things about mushrooms
yeah um mushrooms are also my favorite food there's so many varieties especially at especially
at farmers markets you get all sorts of crazy shit um if i'm guessing you've seen paul stamets six ways mushrooms can heal the world
ted talk yeah actually when i came up with this artistic name it was after seeing the movie um
fantastic fungi yeah i was so obsessed it was like yeah i'm going to
i mean i i would recommend everyone in here if you haven't or don't even know who Paul
Stamets is, just watch Six Ways Mushrooms Could Save the World, TED Talks on YouTube. It's so
mind-blowing. I constantly come back to it every so often. He's like the world's leading
mycologist mushroom guy. Yeah. Yeah, it's great. and how about psychedelic mushrooms yeah
that's also this part I had my first experience like when I was 19 in again
it was very a moment that changed my life you know the first time that i took i was like in the forest
and for the first time i felt like a sense of connection with something bigger than myself
like i could understand how everything is connected and yeah i think they are very powerful um
Yeah, I think they are very powerful substance.
Not just, I was seeing the other day a movie, a documentary about it.
It was, they was doing like experiments with mushrooms in a meditation setting.
So instead of, usually when people do that, like those experiments with psychedelics, it's like in a hospital.
So it's a very, I don't know, different environment than when you are in nature.
It was like a Buddhist retreat.
They did the experiment.
And something that they talked about, it was like,
mushrooms are great to heal those people that are like with psychological problems, but also
they are very valuable to help people also, you know. It's just not a medicine.
That's what they say.
It's not just a medicine for the sick, but also for the health people.
Because, yeah, when you took it, when you take it,
you can have different perspective of things so
yeah you can like grow from it from the experience
even if you like you're like healthy and things like that
it does bubble up a lot from the subconscious that if it needs facing it will it will come up
early on in the trip yeah but by the end but by the end of it it's always like you're a philosopher
i don't know at the end of it it always feels like there's this wave of
this oceanic sensation across your your consciousness and your your forehead where
it just feels relaxed and stoic.
I don't know, that's at least how I always feel at the end of it,
like, after getting through all that shit.
But to your point, you know, it's not for the sick,
it's also for the healthy.
Why couldn't it be considered a nutrient, you know,
at a small dosage for, you know, sold at a,
at a, what are they called, vitamin shop for you know sold at a at a what are they called vitamin shop you know as a as
something that is a neuro generative sports athletic pill yeah totally it could unfortunately
we are kind of far from this but i hope in the future we're going to treat
those things that
comes from nature without
such a demonization
you know because it's really like
it doesn't make any sense like to ban
like a plant or
a fungi you know like
it's been said
that these are the things that gave us consciousness in the
first place.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I like this theory,
the communication.
So what?
The stone ape theory.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It makes sense.
It totally makes sense.
So why are we going to like demonize where we got our thought process from?
It's like backwards.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We can have some conspiracy theory about it.
You know, like people don't want the knowledge to be available to everyone.
I don't know.
I don't know, but we can all access it.
Yeah.
I'm more, you know, I like to think about this too.
Sometimes when I hold the mushroom, I don't even need to take it.
I think it's once you've taken it, how do you tap back into that mental state without needing to take more?
Because I feel like it's easy to fall into that trap to needing to take more to reach
back to that feeling but if we have that feeling if that door was already open in our mind yeah
how do you access it or open the window let some fresh air in there to to that experience without
needing to ingest it or do we need to ingest it at a chemical level in our brain?
I think art is a good way to reach those states
without having to take anything.
You know, like when you hear music,
you can put you in a state of psychedelia in some ways.
Meditating also, like i i was yeah in this documentary um they separate people in two groups like the ones that took the the substance
but there was half of it that was placebo so they didn't but they also had some experiences
but they also had some experiences that was like,
let's say strange from the normal,
even though they didn't take it.
I think there's some learning from that,
especially if you are in a group setting where people are
vibrating in some way,
you can access it also.
But yeah, I definitely think you can
I don't take much actually
because of that also I think
it's a very strong
thing to have believing constantly
I better like
find my own ways to
find inspiration in life
see things with a more
open and lovely way which is usually what i feel when
i take the mushrooms but yeah i i'm trying to to have this naturally yeah i feel i feel that so
much i want to tell you a little story and then we can wrap up the show in a few minutes. You know, I have like a bag of mushrooms, a little, little under, you know, legal limits,
um, mushrooms.
And I keep looking at them and I'm like, Oh, what am I going to take these?
Do I even need these?
Do I want these things?
Um, and just the other day, I kind of ground them up to make these pills.
Like we were talking about like microdose pills.
And I'm like, I hold this jar and I feel like I'm already tripping.
And it's like, you know, I think just having them in my hand or having them near me is enough.
And like something just makes me so scared of like taking them.
I don't know.
I hate to be so vulnerable right now, but I just want to be,
I just feel like I need to share this. Yeah, yeah, I know. I relate to that.
I feel like because of my artistic name, people assume that I'm always taking or something,
but I think I have a very respect with it in terms of like I need a special occasion to take it or like I'm really needing to see things with a different perspective.
And there's the moment that I'm like, OK, I'm going to.
But also like, yeah, usually it was not that easy to have access.
And now that I'm living in a place that is so easy
like everyone sells it it's a kind of hip village i might say uh so it's very easy everyone's like
you know obsessed also with mushrooms but even that i'm not like i'm very cautious
I think it's about the time and place
i think it's about the time and place and when you're ready and
And when you're ready
And quite frankly
I think I'm afraid to take it
Because I have to
I'm doing this every day
I'm communicating with people all day
I'm having these podcasts
And I have to make sure my shit is straight
I gotta make sure I don't
Fuck around and lose sight
Of the work I'm doing And i don't want to trip balls while
i'm doing heavy lifting right yeah it's better to take like the day just for that usually like
the best because you don't have like any stress and anything like that which make you anxious
about it yeah especially if someone cancels for the next day while i'm like halfway through the night and
i just don't want to i'm just i guess i'm just trying to protect myself from
from from anything that can go wrong yeah yeah you can have like a bad trip so it's better to be safe
because it's not better to be responsible than than have fun i guess guess. Yeah. Might not even be fun. That's the irony.
It might not even be fun
and it's not supposed to be fun.
It's supposed to be healing.
Yeah, of course.
But also we can learn from the experiences
that are uncomfortable also.
There is something in that.
This conversation made me feel
so much better about this
I am
I'm glad
thank you so much
is there anything else you wanted to talk about
or can we close out the show
yeah I think we cover a lot of
the practice and the view
that I have about things
I'm very grateful for this space to be able to talk about those things that
usually I don't have the opportunity also.
So it was really nice to talk to you for the first time when you would like
spending this time.
Appreciate it.
You know,
I really just want to uplift other artists,
especially those who might have reach and who are making good work. And, you know, I really just want to uplift other artists, especially those who might have, have reach and who are making good work. And, you know, I think there's a lot of people in
this room who might connect with your stuff. So, you know, I'm just, just want to get the
good art out there. And I guess what the last question might be, where can we find some of
your work or what work are you looking to, you know, have people collect right now?
to have people collect right now?
So I just released this edition of Everywhere I Grow.
At first I did like a open edition,
but I felt like it didn't work that well.
So right now there's like 25 remaining
and if you collected two of this second version you can redeem bunch redeem
the third one which is the entire interactive that i told about you know the protocol where
you can see all the different uh places that i went and yeah you can find in my, in my, my bio, there's a link that if when, when connected with it and yeah.
Awesome. And thank you again for joining us so much.
Thank you everyone for listening.
Thank you everyone for listening. I hope you all have a beautiful day.
We'll see you guys tomorrow.
Bye.
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