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Moments of the Unknown - 348
Recorded: March 21, 2026 Duration: 1:03:49Space Recording
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Thank you. what's up hizzy
nice to finally uh have a conversation with you other than DMs and comments.
Man, it's such a pleasure to have you here.
And I'm sorry about last time.
I'm grateful that we were able to make it work before we close out the show.
Man, I'm just honored to be a part of it.
Last time was special.
Today is even more nerve-wracking
following some of the three biggest
probably heavy hitters you can add on.
I think it's
proper i think it's a proper way to close the loop here with the bangers and now we got we got you
coming on no i appreciate that a lot thank you sir i think you know it's all a bit of balance and
you know i really admire the fact that you showed up so many days for the
show and you know that's kind of what I look out for and you know that's all
that you have to do really and then that's how you are noticed and seen and
I and I acknowledge it and I respect it and I appreciate it it makes me want to
reach out and bring you on I appreciate all that and I kind of know the way your
show works so when you're ready to dive
in we're ready to go let's go tell us about yourself uh yeah so my name is steven house
uh dizzy comes from a kind of derivative of house where in college my stepbrother and his friends
kind of made fun of me for being a little more hip-hop, a little more ghetto, and Snoop Dogg days, and so for Shizzle, for Hizzle, so House became Hizzy, and so yeah, I grew up in a creative
household. My mom's parents built furniture, and her sister act and painted, and so I always
enjoyed arts, and you know, took art classes in high school and took a couple
years off after high school and then went to college. I got a marketing degree and realized
that's not really the creative side that I wanted and went back to school fall of 2001 so right
around September 11th and took some more photography classes and was pursuing an advertising degree.
That didn't work out, but still continued to shoot, and my journey took me into the Navy for a few years
and shot a little bit while I was there.
Tried to be a photographer in the military.
That is an actual job in the military, but there's not a lot of those.
And to be transparent, I did not complete my enlistment.
I was injured, and then I was stationed in Washington State.
And I enjoy extracurricular activities such as green herbal substances, and the military doesn't like that.
So they and I decided to part ways.
And so that's kind of a long transition to get you into roughly 2007.
Any questions around that?
Yeah. Were you in New York around that yeah were you in new york around that time you were doing the
marketing thing and do does the military allow people to do psychedelics or do they test for
all this stuff or and then like if people could drink and smoke cigarettes like when do you think
that would change you know altered states of mind and like regulation in that regard uh great
question so never been to new york i'm based out of houston uh would love to visit uh furthest i've
gone is a bwi dc and stuff like that so uh no to answer your question uh the military is publicly very against obviously any drug usage um you can get a
uh a good discharge by being a piece of shit alcoholic for saying you know lack of better
terms you're right they almost not necessarily embrace alcohol and tobacco and things, but it's embraced.
And it's, you know, it's, yeah, I felt like I was in college when I was in the military, the drinking and partying and things like that.
But in all reality, the recovery phase, the veterans, a lot of them are finding recovery and psychedelics and you know obviously herbal
substances trying to stay away from medications but again not a lot of the the va rules allow
that and it's not necessarily things that are prescribed so uh yeah even after the fact
uh after the fact you can possibly lose benefits depending on what goes on yes
possibly lose benefits depending on what goes on.
Yeah.
They still test after, after out of the system.
Oh, not necessarily anyone in a normal situation,
but if you're going to a VA for treatment of any sorts,
then that could become an issue if you're requesting, you know,
non-traditional treatments to my knowledge. And again, this is,
I'm not in the veteran system
because failing one urinalysis for marijuana gives you an other than honorable discharge.
Whereas you can have three, four or five DUIs or abuse or other cases and you still get what's
called a general discharge where you get all your benefits and stuff like that.
Have you been to California?
Correct, I have been to Cali.
Not spend any time there, but just travel.
When I left Washington State with my egg donor
when she had my son inside of of her we drove from Washington to Texas
I've also been to California when I visited Vegas and took a road trip to Tijuana with a
co-worker at the time and so never any length of time to say that I've been other than a tourist.
Can I share a little story about something I noticed in Los Angeles with the VA, like that massive spot?
Can I share a little story?
Is that correct?
please go ahead so when i was living on san vicente boulevard back when i was living in
Please, go ahead.
la in santa monica and every day on my way to my studio in echo lake echo park silver lake
uh hollywood trifecta area is where the gallery was where we were silk screens i would take san
vicente up you know a lot of times when i'm driving
in the city i never really like taking the freeway and i would love to just drive through the city and
just you know like a neural map in my brain understand how the layout works so i feel like
any city you travel through and and at the same time if you go that route it's kind of the same
time as being in traffic on the highway.
So it's like you just get to see more shit.
So every day I would see like a mass amount of homeless vets creating their own little village right outside the gates, right outside of like the VA.
And they all have American flags posted.
They all have like their little houses made of tents and wood boards.
And it was like a little village right outside of it.
And I was, and every time I walked, drove by, I'm like,
I got to do an art project about this. It's like, this is in my community.
This is in my neighborhood. It's like,
how do I like create with these people and help, you know,
why are these people sitting on the sidewalks you know who's let's say
serve this country and
you know risk their lives and
you know all that whether it's Vietnam whether it's
Iraq whether it's whatever
it's like how are we letting this happen
and maybe they have
PTSD and substance abuse issues
from that war but still
it's like why are they like left on the curb
when they did
when they were doing that work?
How does the military upkeep people from being houseless?
How does to be sustainable, especially psychological things,
after the fact? And every day, every day, every day
I would see them, I would wonder, I would think, how do you even
approach these people from the street
without knowing them and building that relation?
So over the year, as I was silksweet,
I'm trying to figure out a project to work with these vets
and maybe raise money to build housing.
And then one day, actually close to the time I left LA,
I noticed that they were all gone right i was like
where did they all go they were like like the the sweet the street sweeper had swept up like
wherever they were like they were gone and if you look inside uh and funny enough i always wondered
i'm like wait why are these people sitting outside the va like why don't the va have like
land for them to be housed on especially because this was
like one of the biggest lands that stretch from like wilshire to you know a different part of like
uh la cienega like just a long stretch of land that that place takes up and i was like why don't
they just house them like on the other side of this fence like doesn't this make sense and then one day they were literally they built housing there
and they were there and i and i was like wait is this one of those situations where if you think
something and you don't act upon it someone else acts upon it and does something and then i learned
later that arnold schwarzenegger was the guy who actually fucking did something about it and and
made it happen long after he was governor.
And it was like, you know, it's this funny idea when you think about,
you know, pyramids being built.
And especially for today, we have the fucking pyramids of Giza.
And then you think of the Mesopotamian and the Incan
and all these pyramids around the world happening at the same time.
But they don't talk to each other.
They don't know each other.
But that idea comes from somewhere. somewhere like it's a collective consciousness it's like
and how does that idea manifest itself into the world whether you do something or not right
and i thought and i always imagine i'm like maybe having that thought made the universe also think
this thought and and give way for the people who are connected to it, whether it's the city, whether it's the people to allow, you know, a better way. So long story short, by the time I left LA,
that was actually, they were housed in the VA area. And I just wanted to share that.
No, it's an amazing story. And I think you hit on something and you manifested it in your brain and another individual manifested it with their finances.
And that's what helped it come together where it probably wasn't an oversweeping government idea.
It wasn't we're too quantifiable for them.
quantifiable for them it's uh it you know so there has to be that the the the human involvement
the hearts the the caring individuals that they use the wanted to make an art piece the
the arnold's that made sure something came through with it you know what i mean so yeah that's that's
a wonderful story for sure well he lived in that area so i'm sure he was driving to hollywood on
the same street every day seeing this this, seeing this, and being a politician
and understanding city ordinances
and understanding, you know,
his celebrity network and political network.
He actually had the power to do something.
Whereas if I was the artist,
I would only have the surface level power
of just connecting with people and raising awareness.
I feel like it's so, especially LA is like a very uh houseless city with skid row and
there's so much you know missions there there's just so much work to be done there around this
around like drug abuse and home homelessness that i think that it starts with something you
could affect change in and maybe it starts right outside your front door maybe it's right in your
neighborhood maybe it's not tackling the whole issue at large maybe it's just one one person
one place at a time and i think that area was so concentrated with like this this this like
this you know patriot patriotic uh development i think it couldn't be ignored it was you can't
ignore it it's too evident um so i just think you know there's something very interesting about what inspires people
to do something whether it's an art project or or a community project
absolutely so this is going to be a hard transition i'm assuming a little but i'll
try to do it let's transition tell me where you want to go
so um when i was leaving the military um i i had met a woman and we got pregnant uh
right as i was transitioning out and she came back with me to texas to my hometown
in reference to give you some kind of idea of what I mean by hometown,
when my son was born here in Texas, he became an eighth generation Texan. So that's how many
times we can, you know, count how long people have been here in my family.
So transitioning real quickly, about a week before he was born, I got my first digital camera. I got a Canon 30D, and that was my first experience not shooting film.
And shot probably, you know, a little over 10,000 photos of him the first, you know, four years of his life.
And then his mom and I separated, and I became a full custodial parent of him. And she went back to Washington State.
And creativeness kind of left me a little bit then.
And full-time parenthood kicked in.
And I still had a little bit here and there.
We traveled, you know, like I took a trip to D.C., picked up a little point and shoot for the trip.
And, you know, just was still shooting and then uh it was around summer of 2018
that uh we walked outside the door and we found a puppy and um a little four-month-old three-month-old
little white dog and my 12-year-old son at the time was like, hey daddy, can we keep her? And of course, as a single parent,
that's not really an action I wanted to take on, but we did. And she changed my life. She
introduced me to Instagram, Gary Vee, posting content, posting photos, buying new cameras, my son starting to shoot, starting his own page. And when COVID hit,
my normal full-time job still stayed. I was at work five days a week, 10-hour days. And
my son was down with grandma and I was out shooting and meeting and interacting and growing my Instagram.
And that's kind of bringing you up to around, you know, 2020, 2021 ish. If you want to kind of ask any questions around there.
Sorry, I'm just getting distracted.
There's some action happening right next to me.
So when you have two kids is what I'm hearing, or is this the same child?
One child,
one dog.
And then you said they were 12 years old when the puppy came or just as you
had them,
the puppy came.
Correct.
he was 12 as the puppy came.
And,
so we,
she taught me Instagram.
Like I,
I started her an Instagram page and,
uh, realizes I needed to upgrade
my cameras. My phone wasn't working. The content needed to be better. And I got the dopamine likes
and I started realizing if I could do this for my dog, I could do it for myself. And at 12 and a
half, my son started shooting as well. And he's 18 turning 19 and he still shoots so of course
we can get into that conversation if we want as well so yeah i'm love to jump into that direction
of like how are you creating art with your kid or what are you learning from what are you learning
from each other because you're saying you're learning social media but like how does that how does that connection work so yeah um it it honestly as uh
the two men in the household uh yes it's been amazing it's been wonderful but there's been
times that we butt heads of course uh but no and uh he posted very consistently, you know, December 2019 up until 22, I guess maybe, you know, those, you know, that 14, 15 year age, you know, 16, he, you know, he and I, you know, he was going through those teenage years, as much and then uh his junior and senior year he really got
involved got into yearbook and uh the beginning of his senior year he wrote on the chalkboard that
uh he was going to be the number one photographer in his school district well for reference and
tests his school districts that's pretty big his school district is 14 high schools. And by the end of the year, he ended up getting that award and stuff.
So he shoots a lot of athletes.
And so it's, you know, the high school kids and the track and football.
And so they they need content for NIL reasons.
And just last week or about that last week timing and web three you know what
i mean about maybe three weeks ago he uh he coded or he didn't vibe code he you know he used an
existing um photography platform to make a page where you know people can download his images
instead of having to do direct content with all the contact with all the athletes and stuff like that.
So we kind of learn from each other.
But every once in a while, he thinks he knows more than me when it comes to, you know, the younger stuff.
But, you know, a lot of times I got to remind him, you know, I got 11,000 followers on Instagram.
He's got 12.
And I've grown a little bit more than him.
And I've met Gary Vee a few times.
And, you know, so now we have a fun banter and it was nice.
I was able to upgrade and get him a new camera about a month ago as well.
So it feels good to keep supporting my kid and kid and stuff like that well i think it's
extremely special that you get to hang out with your son and get to make art and get to
see him grow see him become the best you know what no what's good what's he gonna write in
the chalkboard this time um right now um it's we're both kind of in a transition period. I got laid off from my wonderful job in December of 23 when I was in Art Basel.
And he graduated in just, what, nine months ago, almost a year ago.
almost a year ago. And so we're both kind of looking to maybe move out of the area,
Houston, that we're in, maybe move back a little closer to family, closer to Galveston Island.
Currently, we're on the northwest side of Houston, which is closer to Austin than it is Galveston. We're both just kind of in a transition of stagnation in the sense of not any huge goals of any specifics, but he's still doing his thing, shooting the track and stuff like that.
And I am working. I've been working for the past year now uh not near as good as i was but it's full
time and it's employment which is amazing these days so nothing to complain about and then did
you guys come into nfts at the same time or did he teach you or did you you teach him this time
so um i guess you can kind of say i miss Clubhouse, even though I had an invitation.
Being that I was working full time and Houston was shut down but wasn't, we didn't really obey the rules here.
We were all running the streets.
So I didn't understand why we would talk about photography on a space way back then.
It made zero sense to me why I wanted to be on clubhouse when I could be
outside.
But I was of the minority of humans that still was going to work,
still was,
you know,
had a normal,
you know,
activities and stuff.
And then,
I paid attention to Gary Vee,
the people thing.
I really wasn't into crypto other than one of the people that I met when I was out taking photos was like a Forex trader. And he kind of put me on and I got a Coinbase account and bought some alts that he was talking about at the time and still paid attention to Gary Vee.
he was talking about at the time and still paid attention to Gary V.
And when,
when V fans dropped,
I remember throwing my phone cause I had cash and I had money,
a Metamask account,
but I couldn't mint and I didn't know I didn't pay attention enough.
And so fast forward to November of 21 and I'm still listening,
still paying attention.
I'm listening to Gary V v's 137 pm spaces all of
his you know people that he had working and uh some guy made a music nft with a long time houston
artist bun b and his name was spotty wi-fi oh yeah so my very first eth nft was november 21 spotty wi-fi in bun b and because of that i uh you shot
that no no no i didn't no no i had no no no that was my first eth purchase my first nf yeah so that
was my first introduction into nfts like you know after missing gary v's v friends and bought it really because
of bun b more than spotty but because of nfts and spotty's involvement got in his discord and uh
ended up you know he was going to south by southwest in a few months and i said hey man i'd
love to take some pictures of you while you're at south by. And, um, he got me a wristband as a bandmate and we spent that whole
week together. Um, so that was exactly what, uh, four years ago when ape coin dropped, I was sitting
next to spotty. I'm sitting next to spotty talking about photography hearing about this man named justin who did some
twin flames and pictures of queens spotty was one of my first twin flame collectors
i mean that's exactly i've i've heard of known of you from the very beginning and uh we talked
about different ways that i could do photography drops uh spotty was big on you know gamifying
things and he said what if you edited them different and i said i don't edit my photos that I could do photography drops. Spotty was big on gamifying things.
And he said, what if you edited them different?
And I said, I don't edit my photos.
You know what I mean?
And it was just, it was fun conversations.
And so yeah, that was kind of my introduction.
And to give you an idea, since my age,
I evolved with Web 1.
I was a little way to web two and i decided very early
that i was going to continue to pay attention and be as much a part of web three as i could
not always as an artist just as someone who learned and paid attention and was involved
i went to vcon one vcon two consensus 24 basil you you know what I mean? So yeah, I've, uh, I've been around, but you know, uh, yeah,
that's where I'm at. Have you been working on anything lately that you want to talk about?
So most recently, um, I've been having some new ideas. I've tried different things from the very beginning. I had a South by Southwest contract drop that the website disappeared about 30 days ago.
Obviously, back in 22, for a photographer to code any kind of difficult drop, I had to find a developer.
And that developer was never paid.
He was going to be paid in the contract
and so i haven't really dug in deep as to why my website disappeared you know what i mean but uh
so um that was going to be a fun little drop i was doing like random photos from south by it was
going to be some 101 some you know 202, trying something different. I tried the open edition meta that happened, what,
the next summer with manifold and things, you know,
tried a few little things.
It's hard as a photographer to put out something
that you really love and for it not to be consumed
at a quantity or a price that you feel it was worthy of.
And so most recently, I've been kind of thinking of some of my photos is,
you know,
one of the things we all have problems with is how everybody displays them or
how they look at it. And I'm like, well, why don't we do like, you know,
wallpaper designs or screenshot, you know,
something for your phone background,
something that everybody could look at on a daily basis but then again i don't just don't want to drop open editions with no
one's going to pay attention to so um i'm not sure if you've heard of this new platform called
unvault it's with uh aaron habner and i forget the other ape but it's um it's a way to they're enforcing royalties obviously with 721
c's but uh so for someone like you justin you could you could have all the holders of twin flames
participate in what would be like called a divot and that sounds like a word that we all want to use and by anyone who holds twin
flames they can in theory get a percentage of all your royalties from your moments of the unknowns
or you could uh put aside some money from physicals and stuff so i'm interested to see
the new meta coming out i mean it's it's real hard to pick a platform or you know with all the
the super rares or i mean you know with all the things going down so i don't know man i'm
you know so many of me's out here the ones that want to be recognized that want to get you know
seen more and yeah man if if we all had that answer we wouldn't all be asking you i'm sure
and the funny thing is i don't even know because i'm still trying to figure it out myself And yeah, man, if we all had that answer, we wouldn't all be asking you, I'm sure.
And the funny thing is I don't even know because I'm still trying to figure it out myself for my own art.
No, I know. And so one of the famous things I always bring up all the time is I loved my experience of buying gutter mellow shoes on OpenSea.
experience of buying gutter mellow shoes on open sea and what that means so simple is the gutter
cat gang and the lamello ball did a collaboration with puma and i was able to go on open sea and
pick a size and open sea get my address and they shipped me the shoes and in my brain i'm like man
why can't we do this with art why can't i someone who owns
they did that oh that was an that was an amazing setup yeah and so now you kind of see they're
doing physicals technically with wreck drinks hold on a second let me ask you a question open
see you were able to mint and they asked you for their address and then they shipped you something from openc or like that like that directory correct i picked the size shoe and that ended up burning the nft
and this was gutter cat and openc correct i did not know that right and so as a as a you know an
artist as a photographer as someone you know i can imagine a Squiggle or a Fidenza or any kind of art, any kind of photography, even a PFP.
Why isn't there a way to pick a physical size based on the fact that you own it?
Go through an entity like OpenSea so that the artist doesn't have to know where you live and all that.
And we get some physical stuff.
It's a lot of things.
We just need to keep it simple. And I physical stuff it's a lot of things we just need
to keep it simple and i'd love to be a part of it of course and you know but i think everybody would
dude i completely agree i think that there is this physical component printing on demand
or even you know i had you actually brought up two funny things one of them well i told myself
uh back in the back when i started moments of the unknown
that i would have loved to have given every single collector of the clips like their own
infinite objects and you know a physical little mini screen or maybe i even i even saw a modest
just like talked like a week ago about his little citizen display that he built that looks really sick and it's kind
of inspiring to be like you know what how do i build this shit myself how do i make little
screens how do i make that available how do i make the art more physical because i feel like video art
is like really hard to you know place as a as a physical thing it's like a ephemeral thing i think
you know that's maybe the disconnect with some people with moments of the unknown it's like a clip
but when it's physical it's actualized then it makes it the artwork so i'm i'm starting to think
in those terms and and uh the other thing you said about the royalty share uh i was also thinking
like in my head i'm like maybe you know for all the the and i'm and this isn't like any
alpha this isn't anything this is just a thought so don't take my word as bond here i just had this
thought of like what if like people who own my clips uh were like a shareholder and like if i
actually ever sold this movie or for example if this thing sold for a million or
a billion dollars like for whatever reason if possible who knows i'm allowing space for that
to happen that i would share that like 10 or whatever or even drop a token for for the video
holders and just give them a token and then if this thing sold i would fill the liquidity pool the you know i had all
these ideas right like how to be creative with the art but also like the mechanics also what is
hollywood what is the future of filmmaking what is the future of you know you know sharing that
with people and i think a lot of it as we've seen with how many people check in with the oscars it's
like i think more viewers are online than in theaters the oscars it's like i think more viewers
are online than in theaters or anywhere else so it's like how do we think about future technologies
in that sense of of participating audiences with with the royalty versus like paramount investors
and whatnot so i don't know this is just thoughts that i'm thinking about and you brought it up
so yeah just to give you a real quick reference,
man, I'm going to, everybody's going to be mad at me
for not remembering the other man's name
that started it with Aaron.
But Aaron's the comedian in the Bored Apes,
if you know who I'm referring.
And his partner is, I believe, a tax attorney.
And so they're patenting all this information.
And so it doesn't, the money that you give, you got to be careful with verbiage, obviously,
but the money you give back to the holders that you decide, it doesn't have to come from a royalty.
You can place that money in there however you choose, whether it's from a physical sale,
whether it's from other digital sales and stuff and the other thing they're doing different is
whether it's from other digital sales and stuff.
in reference to like a any kind of new project or pfp project if you're minting your contract may
exist on ETH but anyone can mint from any chain so like you can mint from soul or whatever and
the the numbers will you know if there's only going to be one, number four, number five, number six, and it doesn't matter if you mint it on Sol, the ETH number will go and the ETH will go somewhere else.
Basically, you control the ETH, the original, but you get your NFT on the chain that you want.
It's basically to tap into the liquidity from other pools and stuff like that.
But again, we're not talking about involved forever but so i have a question and i know it's not always about
me here i wanted to ask you a question have you considered or what are you doing with your
physical negatives are you cataloging them have you considered making any art with them have you
ever shot in positive and considered making any physical art with it
you know i use my negatives just as archive and they sit in a box i feel like the thing i do with
them is scan the pictures because all everything they shoot is film including super eight so that
just like is part of the process of of getting the final product of what you're seeing like minted
so i wouldn't i don't think
i'm ever going to do anything with them other than like have them as archived in a box as like
when i shot the thing and when i scan the thing or or even when i go to the dark room like
i've i've printed the physical twin flame set um in the color dark room so like i i do
print stuff in the dark room so i would use it for that
more so yeah i guess like uh i can imagine a collector knowing that you know if they own the
negative the the provenance behind that type thing and i guess as an artist that's one of the last
things we would ever want to give up obviously this is more for me it's more archival i don't
consider it something to give i consider it something to like okay this is more for me. It's more archival. I don't consider it something to give I
Consider it something to like, okay, this is just
You know the thing I had to shoot and then I can't I can't go all good I don't ever look at it again after I pretty much
Scanning
Yeah, I obviously still have my negatives from the you know late 90s early 2000s or whatever
So, you know, it's like, again,
what do we do with them there after you've done something with them?
They're just kind of sitting there type thing. So, um,
I think you could print with them. You know,
you can always go back and print with them. Like, let's say, for example,
in 20 years,
I want to look back at all of them and choose pictures and print with them.
Like maybe that's, you know, they're not going anywhere.
Yeah, absolutely. Uh, pictures and print with them like that maybe that's you know they're not going anywhere yeah absolutely uh so um any other questions that you're kind of thinking of right now just chill it in the park dude i'm like what what is what is is your son minting anything
is he on here are you are you coming up with anything new other than what this business you're
working on?
And again, I'm not, I'm not working on that with them.
It was just something new that caught my attention just with other things,
sunsetting and, you know, just, uh,
Did you see, did you see Rarible even just got acquired today?
No, I did not see that.
Do we know who acquired them?
It says impossible.
Impossible.
No, I have to put that in my little
group chat or whatever and see what
everybody says.
I actually wanted to ask you something.
Go ahead.
What are your thoughts
about all these things closing?
Nifty Gateway and everything sunsetting.
What does that mean for the industry?
Or what is that opening space for?
If you think about it, this whole space is about decentralization.
This whole thing is about independence and sovereignty.
What does it mean?
Does it just go back in the hands of the creators at the end of the day,
like independent artists minting their shit?
so from the very beginning,
obviously sitting down with spotty for a week,
being attached to his hip and you know,
that time in 22
he definitely embedded in my brain own your contract you know what i mean uh
don't be relying on some other platform or something but as a artist who hasn't sold much
gosh i would have loved to have been on some platforms that was selling some things, you know. So I think it's a catch-22.
We need both.
We need the ability to own our own stuff, to not be controlled by any kind of, you know, platforms, you know, fees,
or, you know, gatekeeping necessarily.
But on the flip side, you need exposure and some some way to work
together and if if it's just a free-for-all then there's there's never going to be anyone who
stands out you know what i mean it's just going to be every two seconds somebody new is shown
you know so no i don't it's a there's a there's a huge opening right now and that's kind of where
you know i was kind of mentioning with the physicals through open sea and you know there's a huge opening right now, and that's kind of where, you know, I was kind of mentioning with the physicals through OpenSea.
And, you know, a lot of people are pivoting more towards, you know, perpetuals and trading and not a lot of platforms or, you know, the mint side. They've solved the contract side. But that doesn't mean that, you know, the aesthetics of how mint pages look or how we could set up a gallery different, you know, maybe even, you know, OpenSea is doing a mobile app.
Imagine being with our friends at a Web3 event, taking a selfie and minting that.
at a web three event taking a selfie and minting that i mean why aren't we doing you know why is
none of our experiences on these web three events on chain why isn't there a stupid you know
standalone camera thing with a ring light that's minting photos of everybody walking into the
events there's just so much simple stuff that we aren't doing
so no uh it's so hard right now because there there isn't a an easy way for all of us to be seen for sure yeah i mean it just leaves me so many question marks of where this is a heading
but also again it's it's on the chain it's crypto and at the end of the day
we are we have the power right i mean the platforms are kind of like the the the marketplace
for us to show and sell but where does what what happens to that part when when they all disappear
like how do we continue to discover
artists or sell art if everyone's
in their own worlds?
Then you've got to dive deeper
into the artists themselves.
Right, yeah. Why isn't there
more
on our
drop pages or when we're
minting something from an open seat, why isn't there our drop pages or when we're you know when we're meeting something from an open
sea why isn't there more bio stuff or i don't know like more artist interviews and you know
they do great they they are doing amazing open sea has improved so much over the year uh matt over
it you know now media or whatever they everyone does great with the people that they do interact with, but how do we get the me's or the news or everyone else that's amazing that needs to be seen?
And that's part of the reason I've always hoped to succeed in Web3 so that I can put some of the people that I know here in houston on i mean for years i've said stuff to graffiti artists or you know people in
houston about oh this can change your life this can change your life and they're looking at me and
it didn't change my life you know so but that doesn't mean it didn't change my life because
it has it just didn't change my life uh super financially yet obviously takes time
it's already changed your life because you're here
and you're showing and you're sharing
and you're connecting with new people.
And I think that's like the first step
is breaking out of like your comfort zone
of who's around you, who's seeing yourself,
who you know, and then getting in the eyes
of people all around the world.
And I think that's like, whether you're making money or not,
I think that's the first step to being able to
sustain yourself when you when you build those relationships and people want to start to get to
know you and collect your stuff and that's that's what i've learned i mean i started in this space
with zero and always fighting for my light in in new york and no one giving a fuck and having shows
going into debt and then breaking out of that audience,
which already had their people that they want to support
or aren't looking in my direction,
found this place where everyone's very supportive
and collecting my art, and it kind of gave me that freedom,
and then now I can take that forward.
But then again, it's like, as time goes on,
you know, these things change and like
i'm still trying to find my footing and i'm questioning like do i like how do is that is
that still here or is there is there some another room i need to be in that will take me to the next
level so it's such a big question and i just would say if you're getting your support, just like that's like the best opportunity in that time period.
But it doesn't last.
And that's the scariest part.
It's like we think it lasts.
And we just got to keep getting better and better
and keep creating new stuff
and keep finding new people to connect with
because it's just about finding your audience.
And it's a very hard thing to do because it changes every day
so uh i'd like to point out one little quick story that i always think
kind of is the epitome of web 3 so i kind of mentioned i got laid off uh in december of 23
um i had an amazing union job in houston where i worked with what they call linemen, the men that climb the poles
and deal with electricity. Great union job, but the day you get laid off, there's no severance.
Unions in Texas don't really pay you for the time you don't work. So two months later or whatever
was Consensus 24. And I hit up a friend. His name is Six. I'm not sure if a lot of y'all know him
in the Web3. And I said, Hey, Six, are you going to Consensus? And he's like, Yeah. I said, Hey,
man, can I ride with you? And then I hit up my friend, Cap down at the bottom. I'm not sure if
he's still here, Captain Zwingli, who I'm a part of the, you know, the community that listens to
their show every morning. And I was like, Hey, Kat, can I crash on your couch at ConsenSys?
And he's like, yeah.
And I had my camera and I just pointed my camera at the people who had a badge
and walked right in ConsenSys without a badge and had such an amazing time
with all of the WED3 community and got a ride home from Austin to Houston with a third person involved.
And so, yeah, I love this space.
I love all the people that I've met in it.
I'm excited to have more of a connection with you.
And I did want to invite, even though I'm not necessarily a part of anything,
but I want more people to hear your story of what you're doing with this
project.
Cause I know you've been busy every single day for what is this 348 days in
a row now.
And it seems like not everybody,
you know,
kind of even has a true understanding of what your long-term goal is,
what you're going to do with these recordings and stuff
and so for anybody new listening will you kind of give us the heads up maybe and kind of tell
everybody let me ask you what your perspective is of maybe as like the general public's perspective
because i'm in my own head i i can only understand it from the way i try to share but like i love for
you to kind of iterate what you think
it is and then I'll take a few
minutes to go deeper into
just to see how it lands
like I never even asked anyone
I just kind of put it out and
if people connect with it they do
but I have a mass like dude
if anyone goes to my pin post
here I have a manifesto
I've written about this that's very fucking long.
No one's read it.
But it has every little thing from the concept in three phases, which phase one was the shooting.
Phase two is the podcasting and the sharing each day on the same day.
And then the phase three is also the silkscreen paintings that I'm making.
And then thus after that is like getting it into outer space,
but I want to get your understanding and then I'll go deeper.
So, um, I came in a little bit late to the, uh,
everyday, um, podcast, obviously. So,
but I do kind of see you on Instagram as well. And I follow your, uh, your silkscreen stories and stuff like that. So, but I do kind of see you on Instagram as well. And I follow your, your silk train stories and stuff like that.
So it's, it's very impressive to me, just the, the overall knowledge for you to think
of this, this had to have been three to five years in the making almost.
And for you to continue and just build on this is amazing
so to my knowledge you've you traveled around the world all seven continents photographing
uh not just but i'm sorry videoing moments with interactions with amazing humans. And now you're getting an opportunity to interview different humans,
including myself and all the wonderful people that have come before me.
And you're going to take this said interaction and somehow transform it into part of the art project.
who part of the art project and the silk screens are interactive silk screen images of your
photographs from the an image of the moments of the unknown and i butchered everything and killed
it so tell me where i'm right okay so from the basic foundation of this and i'm actually trying
to simplify even how i'm going to share this
I've decided I'm going to share the film
on April 8th
like the full one hour and just post it
let it be free, let it be for everyone to see
and just fucking give it
to the world because it's of the world
and the project is about
humanity, it's about
every culture, every continent, every day
you know, my perspective but
also like a shared perspective of of this equality this unity this diversity and celebrating that
and it a heavily a heavy piece in this series is actually it's based on this idea of two you know
artists and philosophers that came before me edward steichen uh he did this
massive photo exhibition in 1955 at the moma he was a curator for photography and he did this
show called family a man and it was an exhibition of like photographers from all over the world
mostly magnum photographers shooting cultures shooting, made up of, I think, 70 photographers from 150 countries, if I remember.
And they were all black and white.
So it's like this idea of, okay, let's photograph the world.
Let's see the perspectives of these cultures.
Let's bring everyone together.
And in his essay, it's all about that oneness.
It's all about that we're all one as humans.
So that's the the first pillar the second
pillar is this idea by carl sagan who is the scientist who worked on the voyager one and two
in 1977 or was it 1973s anyway he put this he commissioned the nasa gold album which to me is
like another important aspect of this project. That is the sounds of earth.
That is our location in,
in the universe and the,
in the Milky way galaxy.
It's all on this golden disc.
It's on a golden rest record.
That's literally welded to the spacecraft.
And I'm very up to date into the news of the Voyager spacecraft.
And they just literally,
as of like a week ago,
there are a one full light day away from Earth,
which is billions of miles.
That took 40 years to get our spacecraft to literally one light day.
And the universe is light years apart.
So just think about that, okay?
Takes a very long time for things to travel that aren't light, right?
So it's like, okay, that was in the 70s uh my concept is
connected to those two things about humanity and outer space and creating this film using blockchain
using radio frequencies using light as a means of sending information into the universe whereas we
sent this metal spacecraft traveling at a
limited speed, okay, I think light travels way faster than those things. So how do we channel
radio waves? Because if you look at satellites, they emit and receive radio signals from the
whole universe. And that's how we see literally the universe so it's like
how do we transmit this data into the universe in all directions not just one singular direction
in an infinite abyss so like this idea is kind of like the 2.0 version of the nasa gold album and
it's it's audio visual so i've used the original sound score and I'm remixing it into my one hour film.
And a lot of this project is about time and people.
So the subject of time, what is time?
It is the subject of this movie.
It's one hour.
And it took us one year to create the film, right?
It takes 10 seconds to make a portrait.
So it's also redefining this idea of what is a photo?
What is a video? how do those things,
they're made up of the same chemistry.
So where does the threshold of stillness and motion come together as a photographic portrait?
That's like an idea that I'm posing within this whole other complex project that this is.
So it's really just like an updated 2.0 version of the NASA Gold Album with an audiovisual element of the world, of people, of culture, of each continent, of every day, of a personal journey.
And it's just like sent into the universe as like my biggest goal.
Right. And I think sharing it on the Internet is the first step to do that.
And then the second step would be sending that information into outer space.
So that's just like the one hour movie, right?
Then we have the 10 second clips.
The 10 second clips is that journey that you said we're doing this podcast every day, right?
And it's literally a year apart, two years apart on the same exact day.
So on March 21st, 2024, I was in Egypt at the Pyramid shooting this video.
And now two years later to the day, I'm doing a podcast.
So it's all about the external world and the internal world.
And the internal world in this case is the digital world.
All right.
So let me take a step back.
So I traveled the world every day for the year, made each video without missing a day,
completed the one hour movie, which by by the way 366 days equals one hour
if you shoot 10 seconds so it's all about this time mechanic um that was me traveling the world
right and now i'm literally traveling the inner world of the digital art space by interviewing
the voices of this specific community okay so each day i'm kind of traveling the world again
as we post these videos and i journal a
story every single day new right before i mint it i make a journal so i'm writing a book as i'm as
i'm posting this work and i'm recalling these memories and these ideas that i had on that trip
so i'm like on a non-linear timeline i'm still there and i'm recalling this information so it's
like what is time in a way
like if if all of the past present and future has happened in a quantum field you know we're still
there in a funny in a funny way so i don't want to get too scientific but now we're traveling the
digital world so each person is a different day and we're getting the voices the consciousness
of this nft space the record
the archive of the people who are here the artists the curators the writers the thinkers
like building a universe of the online identities that are around the world and each day so it's
like i'm traveling the world again in a way not just through the videos, but through this digital community we're in and
getting the historical voices and the people who make up the space in 2025, 2026. So that's
like what we're doing now. And then going a little bit further, you know, this whole
project has challenged me to learn editing, learn shooting, learn new skills. And I think part of that is learning how
to turn data into artwork, right? Learning how to use AI to turn data into artwork. So
and halfway through this podcast, I'm like, you know what, how do I turn sound voice recordings,
what we're doing right now into a visual artwork immersive experience a constellation of of
these stars of these people right 366 people how do i turn that into like how do i turn this voice
frequencies into colors and lights and how do i so that's something i'm going to be doing this
summer is like understanding how to learn how to use ai to train this voice data into into visuals right so like that's a
that's like learning new skills um and then other another part of this is like
these paintings so the paintings are you know the physicality element like using my background in
silkscreen and painting and photography and integrating it in a new narrative form where this was all video. Now I'm going back into painting, making hand paintings,
using AI to enhance these images, these stills from the movie, doing silkscreen and then using
augmented reality. So here I'm learning augmented reality and integrating technology to be able to
bring you back to the source, which is the video, right? So the paintings to be able to bring you back to the source which is the video
right so the paintings will allow you to bring your bring yourself back to the video which is
the source which is what all of its original created which is already created from so that's
kind of like the vision of the art no i everything you you use so many big words and everything you said was amazing and um i'm so
honored to be a part of it and i i can't imagine when do you anticipate you having technically any time for you because you're going on
two years straight of every single day being so focused on this project that you can't technically I'm happy.
I do have time to go to the gym and cook food and shop at the farmer's market and paint two paintings a day and go to museums and play chess and do that.
But, you know, as for like traveling, as for taking a day off,
as for taking psychedelics
and not worrying about who's my guest tomorrow
and fucking that up.
Yeah, there's a little sacrifice to be made
but we're only like two weeks away from finishing
and I think the only deadline I'll have at this point
is making sure I finish these paintings by October
so I'll have more freedom
because I'll be honest, like doing this every day
from noon to one, uh, is more than just one hour because it takes a lot of time to coordinate
where I'm going to be, you know, make sure I have internet, make sure I have the guests,
you know, and then at night I have to take a two hours to, you know, write what I have to write
and post at midnight. exactly. So this project
literally takes up a lot of time
but this part's almost over
for the endurance part
of being within that
12 hour timeline of doing something
each 12 hours.
So I will be fucking taking a mass amount of shrooms
on the day this ends, I'll be honest with you
process everything probably take and um and process everything
probably take another year to process everything i've done this year um yeah i don't know i don't
as for time for myself great question i'll try to make time for you i think making the art is
making time for myself no absolutely i i and and it i'm i don't want to use the word i'm proud of you in the sense but
no this is it's it's amazing what you're doing and accomplishing and it's it's one thing to
to do it it's another thing to do it at the scale and the quality that you're doing it at
and to have the vision of such long-term goals and things like that. So, no. Can I tell you something?
Well, absolutely.
But I would say real quick,
I hope my first visit to New York
involves some tea at the print shop.
Bring your son.
Absolutely.
Is he allowed to have this tea?
Yeah, it's just fucking green tea.
Absolutely, man. I smoke weed even wear it take edibles uh now because i have a lung problem but i mainly just drink tea and like huerh oolong it's
just like very fine tea and i want to open people's minds to tea and not just a tea bag going in your
drink which gives you microplastic in your balls, but more so like
the ritual of slowing down, being present. And I think that's what the tea really does. It makes us
like sink in, connect and be present. And I think that's the most important part about tea.
And I will say this for anyone who's in New York City, I went to the Guggenheim yesterday and saw
this beautiful sculpture show and I'm a big chess fan
so when you go into the lobby there's a chess set the artist made and I was as I was playing
chess with my girlfriend one of part of the art exhibit was that they bring out tea and I didn't
even realize it until we were sitting there and I was like wow this museum is like so dope right
now that we could play chess and then they
fucking give us tea.
It's like two of my favorite things.
So anyone who's in New York,
go see that show and play.
And I'll,
and maybe I'll meet you there playing some chess.
Sounds like a plan.
But I do want to say one thing before we sign out,
you know,
this craziness that I've taken up the sacrifice,
this,
this one thing is just rings through my head,
right?
Whether it's like a self-worth issue, whether it's insecurity, whether it's wanting to be
the best, like your son writing chalk on the wall, manifesting to be the best.
You know, I just want to be the best version of myself.
And I know that this daily discipline does that for me.
And maybe it's not for everyone, but it works for me and it's not maybe it's not for everyone but it works for me um this is like my
fourth time doing a daily series in over a year but i think this one thing rings true for me it's
like i just want to always do my best and be so fucking good that you literally if you don't like
me you or you don't think i'm i'm worth it or you don't think I'm a good artist,
I want to prove that wrong by just working so damn hard
that you literally can't ignore it.
And I think that's, for me, what I do.
And maybe it's not the healthiest way to think about it,
but it's just what I do and changing minds,
changing perspectives, seeing the fucking hard work,
seeing the time, I think is worthy. So that's kind of like where this craziness comes from.
Maybe I'm just proving it to myself. I don't fucking know.
No, I would like to say thank you because the preparation that I know that you're going through, the stress that I
know you're going through, I felt the stress. I felt nervous. I don't talk about myself much,
but I feel better doing your podcast. And I can honestly say, I think it's because of you.
I think you just have an energy about you that
made me feel comfortable and I really enjoyed being a part of this I'm grateful that you are
part of it and you reached out and I think part of it is twofold threefold it's showing up
showing up to the point where I can't ignore you, right? That's like the thing.
That's like, okay, I see you.
I see everyone who's listening.
I see who shows up every day.
And there's a few of you.
And most of you have been on here that do show up, right?
So first step is showing up to be scenes.
And you are scenes.
And then reaching out.
And then, you know, I think those are the two most.
And also just having
something to share having something that you want to say being an artist you know being a part of
the space it's just like there's a reason we're all here and i'm just trying to understand what
that is right i think going back to what we said earlier of the collective consciousness
of the va and everything it's like we all have
something to contribute and i'm trying to and i'm trying to pull that out of everybody who comes on
here and and ask questions and you know just get and just be able to talk to anybody in a way i'm
working on myself being able to listen and being able to be able to talk to anybody, everybody in the world.
No, I appreciate everything you've done here.
And I know we're on our hour.
So you ready to wrap it up?
No, let's do one more hour, dude.
I'm just kidding.
I got to call my mom and cancel lunch plans if we're going to do that.
No, dude, go, go, go pick up mom tell her i said hi
hizzy tell a little hizzy i said what's up and i just want to say thank you no thank you and
thank everybody for listening and uh enjoy y'all's day enjoy your day brother thank you
thank you everybody who's listening have a great day
