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Moonbeam in Brazil
Recorded: July 17, 2024 Duration: 0:56:57Space Recording
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I'd like to introduce Tiago. Welcome, Tiago.
Hey, everyone. It's a pleasure to be here. Can you guys hear me loud and clear?
Yeah, this is the first time I'm connecting to spaces through the computer.
Normally, there's a lot of hiccups, but I'm glad that it's working fine.
It's a pleasure to be here and to be with João, William, and Casta.
We're going to be talking about Brazil and Moonbeam in Brazil, right? Our initiative in Brazil. So I'm very excited to talk about it. There's a lot of things going on, a lot of moving pieces and surely very exciting ecosystem.
So first, I'd like to thank João and William and Casta for joining us today. Maybe we can start with a round of introductions. Tell us about yourself, about the background, how you come up into the blockchain world and a quick overview of your project.
Maybe we can start with William.
What Carbify does is we are an RWA. We bring trees on chain. We call them NF trees. We sell them. We plant them in the Amazon. We've planted three and a half million trees last year.
We do that in agroforestry systems to create a social impact. And the CO2 those trees are producing. We are selling to companies all over the world.
And one of them is, of course, we help Moonbeam with becoming carbon neutral. And this is why we are here. That's me.
Very exciting. And we surely going to talk more about, you know, all those initiatives.
João, maybe you can go next and talk about you and Picnic.
Hello, hello. Super happy to be here. My name is João. I'm Brazilian. Happy to be here talking about Brazil as well. A little bit about myself. My background is in data.
I have worked in finance. Then I moved to tech. I helped scale Uber Eats here in Brazil.
At some point, decided to take some time off, took a sabbatical, studied a bunch of things.
And the thing that really caught my eye was DeFi specifically. That was mid-2020.
I fell in love with the idea of creating computer programs that you don't really need to trust them.
They have their own life. They do their thing.
And I thought as that, that's like the future of the financial system.
That's a bit outdated to say now, but I really deeply believe that and trying to build this.
The main issue I found while using those products back then, it was super hard to use.
I saw a lot of promise, but too far away from the mainstream user.
So basically what we have built as tools and a wallet, a smart account wallet called Picnic,
which is a super easy and straightforward way to access DeFi.
So the thing we're really going after is emulating a centralized exchange experience
or making it very familiar for non-web3 native users to interact directly with DeFi.
I think that's what the future should look like.
And we're doing our best to build that.
Thank you so much.
As same as Carbify, Picnic is such an interesting project, you know,
really related to making meaningful and valuable changes, you know, to the world through blockchains.
That's very exciting.
Last but not least, Casta would love to learn, you know, your journey.
I guess, you know, everybody follows Casta at some point in time.
If you're a Brazilian, if you hold the CPF, which is the Brazilian Social Security,
you probably know Casta, right?
So, Casta, welcome and love to hear a little bit more about your time in blockchain.
So, hello.
It's a pleasure to be here, sharing this space with all of you.
As Tiago said, I am called Casta, but my name is Rafael Castaneda.
So, Casta is like a nickname.
Usually, I get this nickname.
I am a master, I have a master's thesis in computational science.
That's my background, an academic background.
So, I was a professor and researcher and also a software consultant for several years
before I dropped everything, all my career and jumped onto the blockchain space.
Nowadays, I act as a content producer here in Brazil.
I do a lot of educational and technical content rather than speculative content.
I'm also a community founder and a builder.
And I'm here today to talk about Moonvilla and Valocracy,
which is an innovation that we have been proposing in sort of an evolution for DAOs
and for a drop and incentive mechanisms.
So, it's also, it's like a kind of a new social economical framework
for on-chain human coordination.
So, I'm very excited to share this with you guys.
Yeah, I'm not sure if my computer has the bandwidth, you know,
to hold the amount of brain power we have in this call today.
For sure.
Maybe we can go, like, in the main, the first question, right, that we have.
The focus of, you know, this panel is to talk about Brazil
and show the larger audience why Brazil is really relevant.
When we think about Brazil economy, size-wise, how rich Brazil is
with regards to commodity, with regards like, just like, you know,
natural resources and being able to build.
We have a lot of opportunities in the country, right?
As an underdeveloped country, there's also the opportunity to leverage blockchain,
right, which is something, you know, we have several, let's say,
issues for accessibility and, you know, and I think blockchain is coming
to resolve some of those things.
I think the best way to talk about it would be from, to hear from João, right?
You're building, you know, like, picnic and you're definitely aware
of the relevance and the size of the opportunity that we have in Brazil now.
Could you talk more about your, you know, your perspective over the Brazil
and how, you know, your vision in general?
Yeah, sure.
I think giving, like, high-level stats is a good way to start,
but it's a huge country, took more than 200 million people,
a lot of digital usage.
So if you check how much time people spend on cell phones,
Brazil is always ranking up on the top.
Crypto adoption is pretty high as well.
It's, like, top 10 countries.
And people are generally open to technologies.
And we have a pretty fast-moving central bank.
We have amazing instant payments that everyone in the country can use.
So there's a lot of innovation, especially, I think, in finance
over the last 15 years.
We have the largest fintech, I believe, in the world.
It used to be, which is Nubank.
It was worth, I think, $70 billion, something like that, at its height.
Not sure how much is today, but it's huge.
They have, like, 100 million users in a country of, like, 200 million.
So the guys executed crazy well and built a huge, huge company
that's mostly focused just here.
And one thing I think might help to give a sense on, like,
why building in Brazil and why focusing in Brazil might be a good idea,
so it's a little bit of what we did in Pecnic and our thought process.
But we used to be very, not focused in any particular geography.
It was, like, very focused in DeFi native users.
But at some point in time, we saw the opportunity to go for a less native public,
to go after normies and ordinary, regular people.
So that was basically a conjunction of a few things.
There was a counter-straction getting out there,
and there's, like, more mature piece of infra elsewhere.
And we decided to take a stab, oh, let's build this experience
that is basically a centralized exchange experience,
but running on-chain.
And we decided we wanted to focus in a particular geography
that's usually easier to distribute.
A lot of the content that people consume about blockchain,
especially when you're not talking about Web3 natives,
tends to be localized.
So the majority of my friends that don't work with crypto here in Brazil,
they're not really listening to, like, Bankless
or whatever English-speaking podcast.
They are listening to Casta and other local guys.
So we saw that opportunity in segmenting users
and really focusing in the Brazilian market,
both in terms of, like, distribution, but also in terms of product.
And one key piece of infrastructure we were looking after,
and we did research pretty much looking after every major relevant country
in the world is, like, how do people can go from fiat,
from money in their bank accounts, to crypto?
And here in Brazil, we had an amazing project, which is BRLA.
Mateus, who's the founder, is listening to this spaces right now.
And it's such an amazing on-and-off-ramp experience.
It's literally the best I have ever seen for any kind of on-and-off-ramp.
You go from money in your bank account to stablecoins, on-chain.
You go in, like, one minute or something like that.
Every bank accepts that, and it's free.
So it's a really optimal experience.
I think it's up to, like, at least as good as you get in anywhere else,
in any fintech, in any centralized exchange, and you go directly on-chain.
So that was super helpful to have that kind of infrastructure
to build the kind of product we wanted.
And Brazilian Central Bank super helped on that
because they enabled the banking system to work like this.
But it is a mature financial ecosystem that works super well
with on-chain applications.
So, yeah, I think we're seeing a bit of the future, how it will look like.
And that's very insightful, right?
We think about size-wise, when we think about the opportunity, right?
We think about the size of the opportunity, the accessibility, right?
And Brazilians are very open, you know, to new techs, like you said,
and a good environment, right?
Which is, like, a very efficient way, you know, in this payment season
that we have with, you know, with PICs and other type of payments.
So this is pretty cool.
Kasta, maybe you can give, you know, your vision,
which is a little bit more community-based
or just, like, a little bit of the philosophy side of, like,
how Brazilians think and if you're thinking we're in the right direction here.
Well, sure.
The Brazilian community is really engaged.
People not only are here for, like, speculating coins,
but we are also a very social people.
So for the ones who are, like, familiar with the social media phenomenon,
and Brazilians really dominated the previous Orkut social network.
Brazilians are prevalent in Facebook.
And we are also, I think, the third or fourth major user in MetaMask.
But we like to interact.
We like to exchange on community.
So whenever you do something in Brazil,
if you do, like, the correct socioeconomic incentives,
people are really prone to engage and they have a lot of fidelity
for the projects that they like.
So it's a very nice country to build.
We have a lot of not only crypto-friendly users,
but crypto-native users,
people willing to learn about MetaMask,
to learn about on-chain transactions,
people willing to do the crypto-native onboarding.
So for me, it's, like, very good.
I have a fairly large audience here in Brazil,
and I get to talk and chat with a lot of people.
And it's very crazy because I'm also the founder of a community,
and I know the people in our community,
and we have, like, a guy that is a car washer during the day,
and he's talking about some new coin
with a guy that is a multimillionaire,
and they are both, like, talking to each other,
and they have the slightest idea
that they are interacting on the same environment.
So this is something that crypto is bringing together
it's bridging social gaps,
it's bridging economical gaps,
and bringing people together
that are craving for something new.
And for me, it's very exciting,
not only to be in Brazil,
but to be able to build here,
and I'm fairly happy now
that we can exchange some of this experience
with the broader international audience.
It's a different way to unlock opportunities, right?
This is what I take out of it.
It's more about than just capitalism
and just, like, empowering the individual.
It's about making connections
and building communities through a decentralized way.
Really powerful, really powerful message.
I'd love to hear from Will.
You know, it's a European team,
but heavily involved with Brazil in general,
and I'm sure, like, Will is a very good...
I've already tried several Caipurians in his life,
so I'd love to hear your opinion and perspective in Brazil.
Yeah, there's several.
It was only one last year,
but so I need some more,
I guess, next week when I'm in Brazil.
But we choose Brazil for a different aspect.
We wanted to plant our trees
where we could create an impact for local communities.
And what better biome than the Amazon biome,
where we all know it's the lungs of the earth
and it's under heavy threat.
So we said, okay, hey, we want to plant
and make an impact in a country where it's most needed.
And we thought, okay,
or we still think that it's Brazil
where we can make that impact
for reference.
We planted 3.5 million trees last year,
and they are already generating
40 million kilos of food
for local communities in Brazil.
And we don't take a cut of that
because that's for the Brazilians.
It's to give back to the communities
that need it most.
It's not about...
It's about giving everybody access
to what they deserve,
both socially, economical,
but also education.
We plant trees at communities
where they've never seen a phone in their life
and now they need to geotech our trees.
So we are also educating them on that part.
And by coincidence,
I got to Brazil two years ago
at Blockchain Rio.
It was 2022.
And there I got in contact
with some people that told me
about how it's going in Brazil
and what kind of impact we could create.
And it was immediately
a very trustworthy relationship.
I feel that if you meet
with the right people in Brazil,
that you have connections
for the rest of your life.
And I get the same feeling
if I'm talking with the Moonbeam team,
for example,
it just feels all off and all natural.
And that is what triggers us
to keep on doing our impact in Brazil.
So we choose it
from both the ecological side
and social side in Brazil.
And we haven't even really
started promoting our project anywhere
because we are Dutch.
So we are more builders than hypers.
But we are now ready
with the Moonbeam coming up
to let the world know
that we are here
and that we are making an impact
and that we can use
everybody's help with that.
Amazing.
Amazing.
Yeah, such a powerful word as well.
You know, this is one
very curious thing
about Brazilians.
It's funny how friendship occurs
in Brazil
and how you make friends.
It's definitely
this belief of a new beginning
of like a lifetime partnership, right?
Very, very close.
And it's amazing
to see the numbers
that you guys have.
When you think about
blockchain impact
all over the place,
you know,
it seems that people
tend to underestimate
the amount of value
that the industry
are going to deliver.
And I guess,
you know,
those numbers
are really,
really impressive.
You know,
and Moonbeam really shares
the same sentiment
about Brazil,
about this excitement,
about,
you know,
this opportunity
that we have
for all sides,
from the community sides,
from the economical side,
you know,
to reduce the asymmetries
that we have,
the inequalities
that we have
through you guys,
of course,
through the project
that we have.
And we're definitely
here to support you.
But I would love to,
you know,
to understand
from your perspective,
like,
how do you see
Moonbeam
is actually helping
your project?
Like,
what is the main advantage,
right,
of being added to Moonbeam?
Maybe we can start
with Kasta.
Well, sure.
Right now,
Moonbeam is one
of the main supporters
of our approach
to the evolution
of DAOs
and social incentives.
we have,
like,
a grant from Moonbeam
that is enabling us
to build
and to leverage
a community in Moonbeam
to foster engagement
in the blockchain.
It's called Moonvilla.
It will start in Brazil,
but it's, like,
just a first step.
We are going to experiment
with new ways
of engaging people
on the blockchain.
And we are also
very fond of Moonbeam
and all of their initiatives.
Moonbeam seems to be,
right now,
one of the blockchains
that are really focused
on engaging community.
And right now,
we are living
on the fever
of, like,
money printing airdrops.
And it seems to me
that in this cycle,
we have really not learned
some important lessons
from the last cycle.
And we are just reiterating
on magic tokens
that are printed
in order to speculate on.
And I'm really glad
to be joining Moonbeam
on this effort
and to be a board
on something
that is not, like,
doing the worst kind
of incentives
that we see right now
in crypto.
It's just engage people,
promise nothing,
deliver sort of
far less for someone,
privilege whales,
and in the end,
dump a lot of tokens.
So, for me,
it's really gratified
and really thankful
for being able
to be part of that.
And also,
I'm really enjoying
the rebranding of Moonbeam
and this new approach
that Moonbeam is doing
to leverage communities
and to pay attention
to some things
that are new
instead of just repeating
the mistakes of yesterday.
That's a great word,
Karsta.
Will,
your thoughts?
Yeah,
so we choose Moonbeam
for a few reasons.
Let's start
with the best one
and that is,
I think,
a year and a half ago
we started looking
at grants.
We were deploying
Carbify on Polygon
and we applied
for, I think,
I don't know,
50, 100 grants
and we were in talks
with Moonbeam Foundation
and the grant committee
and I don't know what,
I don't know,
I can't remember
what the reason was
but we decided
to not continue
but since a year
and a half ago
we kept on contact
with, well,
with you, Tiago,
so you get the credits
for this
and it was just,
it was never pushy,
it was always
how are you guys doing
and what's going on,
what have you been doing,
what are you up to
and never pushing us
to go to Moonbeam.
that was one
of the main reasons
that when we
a few months ago
again started looking
at these kinds
of partnerships
that we reached out
to you and said,
okay, now we are ready
and we want to talk
with you
and we got,
and I don't want
to exaggerate,
but I think we got
like 20 offers
from other blockchains
to go there
and we chose Moonbeam
because, well,
this was the main reason.
Second reason is,
of course,
technical implementation
that you guys offer
with us able
to use Moonbeam
as a tree hub
for all the trees
that we have
and they can talk
with each other
and we only need
to update it once.
But I think
that is why
those two reasons
were the main drivers
about us working
with Moonbeam
and that we want
to continue
with you guys.
I can't have more,
you know,
I don't have enough words
to talk about
how excited I am
with seeing Carbify
on Moonbeam
and seeing all the things
we can build together.
It's really aligned
with our Brazilian focus,
with our vision.
We share the same sentiment
and this is very,
very fortunate
to have you guys
here as well.
And João,
I'd love to hear
your thoughts too.
Amazing.
Just to give
some context,
like the way
we're thinking
about Technic
is really about
being an alternative
to a centralized exchange.
So the amazing value
I see in Moonbeam
is to be able
to offer assets
that people
won't be able
to access
via centralized exchange.
So the long tail
of assets,
being able
to offer things
that you need
to be in DeFi
and that usually
takes quite a bit
of education
and hardship
to get there.
we make that thing
easy
and we take
those assets
to a much
broader
spectrum of users.
So I'm quite excited
about seeing content
being made
about Moonbeam
and Picnic.
Specifically for Brazil,
I think it will be,
I'm pretty sure,
the easiest way
to get money
into Moonbeam,
get money
into a few
of the assets
in the ecosystem
as well.
So I'm super excited
to beat that bridge
between Brazil
and Moonbeam
and hopefully
two more countries
in the future
as well.
That's so cool.
Thank you so much,
guys.
Thank you so much
for this answer.
I would love
to talk more
about,
maybe we can talk
about the concept
of this
real-world assets,
you know,
TradeFi,
DeFi.
There's a lot of,
you know,
tokenized assets
on the blockchain
that can be used
for several
different reasons.
One thing that I
would love to hear
from you,
and maybe we can start,
I don't know,
maybe we can start
with Joao.
When we talk
about this trend,
which is not a trend
anymore,
it's something
that happens,
right?
And I think
each one of you
can bring
different perspectives.
Maybe from
Joao's perspective,
could you enlighten us
how do you see
the mindset
of those
new investors,
start,
you're onboarding
a lot of
Web2 users
to Web3,
and we are
talking about
unlocking and
unleashing new
assets,
you know,
for them to
participate.
How do you see
this behavior?
Like,
do you see
the acceptance?
What are your
feelings about it?
Cool.
Yeah.
I'll try to share
like a general
experience and
feel free to
follow up with
any specific
questions,
but it has
to some extent
been a surprise
on like
how big
the education
gap,
like you get
into crypto
for a while
and you get
used to
all those
concepts,
what's a wallet,
what's a Cphrase,
and etc.
And a lot
of people
have a hard
time grasping
the difference
between like
Binance and
the wallet,
for example.
So it's like
a lot of
small things
that you
usually need
to teach
users about
for them to
interact with
DeFi.
And even
though like
we are
working super
hard to make
those things
easier,
so for example
gas,
you pay
gas in
any token,
we abstract
that away,
but there's
still that
message like
oh you have
blockchain costs.
So those
small frictions
they kind
of add up
and it is
an ever
continuing
effort to
make everything
as easy
as possible.
So for
example now
we're having
a few
discussions
in like
we call
stablecoins
by their
symbol.
So like
the Brazilian
real stablecoins
BRLA like
dollars we
have USDC,
USDT.
But just
saying that
you don't
have Brazilian
reais,
that you
have BRLA,
it is too
much of a
friction for
quite a few
people.
Like if you
get the
really
not crypto
familiar
person like
we have
been
onboarding
a few
of our
family
members,
sometimes
older
family
members
into
picnic
sometimes
they
don't
even
want
crypto.
They
just
want
like
USDC
have
that
USDC
yielding
like
a year
compound
something
like
that.
actually
tried
quite a
that
case
yield
stable
coins
hard
people
comfortable
with
products
right?
There's
a smart
contract
risk
like
what
that?
How do
people
relate
to that?
that
risk
high
low?
Like
if you
don't
want
assume
responsibility
investment
just
want
intermediate
very
challenging
explain
some
concepts
that
quite
familiar
with
crypto
users
it's
just
unpack
every
small
detail
tend
make
difference
friction
adds
right?
it's
ever
going
process
make
simple
confident
we'll
there
excited
build
this
thing.
it's
great
have
here
know
when
talk
about
these
spaces
talk
about
those
futures
things
like
this
it's
always
about
like
yeah
it's
such a
positive
without
highlighting
difficulties
to make
that
happen
think
beauty
successful
teams
understand
that
have
those
difficulties
making
sure
walking
towards
that
make
word
about
picnic
surely
like
a lot
friends
know
when
they
about
know
bitcoin
this
stuff
they
want
know
they
some
exposure
know
read it
send
them
picnic
think
this
best
start
learning
about
surely
want
to hear
Kasta's
thoughts
before
know
that
when
talk
about
real
world
assets
right
think
this
where
guys
really
shine
because
were
talking
about
this
some
hours
having
cases
like
yours
live
long
it's
hard
such
underappreciated
I wouldn't say
underappreciated
I say
like people
doesn't
recognize
the real
value
real world
assets
and I
think
Carbify
is one
of the
easiest
explain
share
your
vision
about
know
this
tokenization
space
like
you've
been
here
long
know
explain
a little
know
like
helping
build
future
let's
start
with
that
agree
it's
difficult
to get
recognition
as an
project
I mean
it's
not sexy
it's
not hyped
it's
go-to
market
right
everybody's
those
let's
keep
nice
those
nonsense
meme
coins
that
adding
value
think
that
hoping
that
with
this
current
cycle
that we
are in
that we
would
go back
to the
projects
that
really
matter
okay
what
does
blockchain
mean
why was
invented
what
can we
with
let's
utilize
capacity
blockchain
technology
I mean
blockchain
also has
limitations
because
when we
started
minted
trees
and those
trees
NFTs
and they
have
geolocation
in it
but after
that we
wanted to
create
the CO2
and we
wanted to
link it
back to
original
source
so back
to the
and it
has never
been done
before
in the
world
not in
traditional
world
not in
crypto
world
so we
needed
to invent
new ways
on doing
that
which
gave us
limitations
because
like I
said
started
Polygon
and even
though
Polygon
is super
cheap
if you
need to
a million
transactions
times
one cent
it's still
a lot
RWA's
there was
time
that
everybody
said
RWA's
are the
real
deal
let's
focus
on that
but then
you also
in RWA
you saw
everybody
was talking
about
real estate
yeah
I don't
want to
bash
other
projects
but real
estate
I don't
think
that
real
utility
RWA's
you can
still
I mean
you can
get part
of the
revenue
for example
it's still
not the
solution
and we
struggle
a lot
talk
need
explain
what
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crypto
name
crypto
blockchain
projects
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utility
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compare
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coins
hope
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your
question
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know
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opportunities
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about
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general
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potential
where
goal
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difficulties
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facing
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working
towards
that
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projects
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deliver
over
speak
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stuff
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meaningful
value
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prove
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have
deliver
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towards
mitigating
those
barriers
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very
successful
very
optimistic
about
this
Casta
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Joel and
William
talk about
convincing
people
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about
talking to
people
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them
educating
people
to see
the real
value
blockchain
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feeling
that
this
user
journey
bring
people
over
about
first
awareness
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consideration
decision
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like
this
three
step
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have
actually
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user
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talk
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potentially
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coins
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step
consideration
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building
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decision
and buy
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very
conscious
decision
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making
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community
crypto
philosophy
could you
give your
two cents
in this
user
journey
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you believe
is the
best
path
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awareness
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them
consider
make
them
decide
understand
real
value
that
have
those
projects
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thanks
for the
question
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good
question
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people
something
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goes
alongside
what
just
said
question
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when
will
mainstream
crypto
adoption
right
what
lack
order
really
onboard
millions
people
into
blockchain
space
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people
will
well
lack
scalability
lack
user
friendly
experience
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more
integration
lack
education
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that
some
degree
still
lack
this
stuff
right
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developing
much
blockchain
technology
technology
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often
counter
argue
that
going
solve
those
issues
it's
just
matter
time
going
improve
scalability
going
improve
user
experience
going
improve
educational
content
there
like
trigger
that
missing
order
board
like
millions
millions
people
that
trigger
that
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suffering
enough
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have
enough
pain
from
traditional
system
order
people
really
want
migrate
something
else
recall
instance
journey
internet
like
internet
conceived
year
1969
think
really
verge
internet
conceived
inside
North
American
ARPA
defense
military
took
like
almost
years
that
really
pick
like
conceived
internet
beginning
internet
overtake
world
from
2000
2010
then
from
that
point
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same
again
order
people
really
board
what
call
crypto
blockchain
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must
understand
they
must
come
point
where
join
will
less
food
next
week
next
month
because
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solving
systemic
pain
from
world
then
shall
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approach
systemic
onboarding
systemic
adoption
from
world
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that
this
game
inevitable
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technology
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education
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infrastructure
world
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itself
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economic
crisis
geopolitical
crises
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come
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answer
answer
that
must
come
with
answer
paradigms
human
coordination
social
economical
paradigms
that
alternative
people
live
better
lives
better
only
financially
also
socially
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coordination
better
human
coordination
that
main
point
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like
when
talk
about
Valocracy
that
project
proposal
social
economical
framework
kind
digital
society
lines
Balaji
setup
network
state
instance
that
this
space
when
talk
about
like
finish
your
wrapping
your
question
when
talk
about
mini
coins
people
usually
well
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coins
onboarding
people
sure
mini
coins
onboarding
people
because
really
sure
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coins
buyers
really
getting
into
crypto
they
just
like
playing
casino
onboard
people
just
make
people
meta
mask
onboard
people
blockchain
revolution
also
onboard
their
mentality
give
them
awareness
as you
just
said
that
need
things
different
bring
people
crypto
only
print
infinite
amounts
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coins
then
able
criticize
fiduciary
system
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copying
pasting
infinite
amounts
NFTs
tokens
that
serve
real
purpose
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that
fostering
speculation
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healthy
path
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more
people
meta
mask
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really
bringing
people
what
understand
blockchain
tree
such
powerful
message
such
powerful
message
it's
again
such
insightful
discussion
from
very
different
perspectives
from
which
think
when
picture
where
going
optimists
not only
about
Brazil
about
this
mainstream
adoption
because
there's
a lot
good
people
good
projects
building
useful
products
that
will
make
changes
world
talked
about
community
right
Kasta
maybe
I'll
real
first
know
when
talk
about
know
each
project
thinking
a little
more
within
scope
of your
project
having
your
community
know
like
most
important
thing
that
have
like
this
community
management
community
growth
think
part
this
discussion
so far
about
onboarding
those
users
right
once
they
there
know
have
this
community
management
community
growth
would
love
hear
from
your
side
things
because
every
project
don't
think
came
agreement
what
best
let's
layout
there's
like
some
standards
like
SOPs
that you
community
management
would
love
hear
have
been
this
last
years
believe
with
Carbify
building
this
strong
community
this
very
healthy
strong
community
very
excited
passionate
about
Carbify
well
think
lots
community
building
coming
from
mouth
mouth
from
people
started
project
with
community
members
that
knew
from
other
projects
they
trust
think
trust
issue
community
growth
came
from
different
backgrounds
community
coming
from
different
backgrounds
have
ranges
community
they
talk
other
people
about
Carbify
them
join
have
sons
mothers
community
have
grandparents
their
grandchildren
community
have
everything
we have
brothers and
sisters
we have
husbands and
wives
it's all
related
explaining
what
the project
and what
we do
sometimes
wonder
do we
need
traditional
crypto
marketing
agents
community
fake
community
growth
because
that is
also
what's
wrong
with
crypto
sometimes
just
ignored
because
they
look at
telegram
they said
you guys
only have
a thousand
members
in your
telegram
go buy
some
more
followers
to get
to three
or four
or five
thousand
and then
we'll
talk
again
it's
that's
community
building
for us
for us
community
building
having
a few
hundred
messages
a day
in your
discord
in your
telegram
replying
to them
interacting
with
those
people
I think
that is
the most
important
thing
just
stick
yourself
then
value
of your
project
will be
shown
to the
world
in the
need
overcome
those
current
issues
first
if you
keep
true
yourself
then
will
grow
will
succeed
this
project
your
community
is a
strong
part
that
want
this
opportunity
at least
thank
community
I see
some
listeners
in here
thanks
for being
a part
Carbify
since the
beginning
without
community
never
possible
amazing
amazing
it's
it's
really
this is
really
powerful
this is
really
powerful
look
know
most
easy
quick
analysis
over
projects
some
rough
KPIs
you know
might be
around
you know
like
yeah
get the
losers
et cetera
but at the end
of the day
look at
Carbify
as an
amazing
example
of how
much
value
added
you know
from the
crypto space
with the
community
which is
very
powerful
as well
you know
doesn't
pop the
numbers
let's
to make
it real
successful
thank you
so much
for that
Kasta
you know
if we
talk about
community
surely
we're
talking
about
one of
experts
that
you know
go to
sleep
dreams
about
you know
community
general
you know
like
strategy
future
this
philosophy
side
things
can you
explain
a little
more
you know
maybe
Velocracy
or your
understanding
you know
like
again
I don't
think
we have
like
a magic
formula
that solves
all the
problems
I think
we'll
touch base
in this
you know
in this
strategy
right
which is
like
you know
keep it
passionate
keep it
real
keep it
too real
make sure
you're
you're
doing
meaningful
connections
right
but can
you put
you know
some
your two
cents
you know
over
community
management
in general
yeah
well
sure
one of
the main
things
that got
really
hooked
into
crypto
when
bought
first
bitcoin
of course
like
many
others
bought
first
bitcoin
in order
to make
money
as I
am a
that
like
study
stuff
soon
bought
first
satoshis
like
well
let's
study
bitcoin
then
started
into
decentralization
like
what
money
usually
like
bitcoin
real
money
then
argued
well
what
money
started
study
economics
history
money
that
gave
a lot
insights
into
what
really
wanted
crypto
power
crypto
when
started
build
communities
take
look
what
going
current
scenario
DAOs
drops
engagement
liquidity
mining
which
mechanisms
coordinate
people
blockchain
people
stuff
together
stuff
some
common
really
disappointed
because
really
something
different
from
what
already
have
world
like
instance
when
take
well
here
then
have
fungible
token
more
units
this
token
then
have
greater
governance
power
then
call
decentralized
governance
this
system
where
have
more
money
have
more
economic
power
then
also
have
more
votes
have
more
political
power
system
where
economic
power
translates
into
political
power
it's
system
that
already
have
traditional
fiat
world
have
more
money
have
more
political
representation
ballot
lobby
system
like
more
shady
system
what
doing
here
just
tokenizing
what
already
have
really
innovating
call
this
effect
tokenization
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tokenize
garbage
then
still
have
garbage
it's
just
more
liquid
have
like
garbage
violence
pair
USDT
trade
garbage
terms
system
actually
innovating
still
have
systems
that
foster
same
social
economic
incentives
that
traditional
world
only
tokenized
fashion
when
designed
valocracy
wrote
valocracy
manifesto
moonvilla
one of
first
instances
valocracy
came
conclusion
that
need
system
only
need
technology
technology
must
enable
systems
built
valocracy
around
principles
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will
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share
those
with
invite
everyone
check
valocracy
check
manifesto
first
principle
most
important
first
principle
that
digital
societies
really
solve
some
problems
facing
must
split
economic
power
from
governance
power
cannot
rule
organize
community
economical
incentive
token
that
gives
political
power
have
dual
token
system
where
split
those
assets
like
governance
power
bound
cannot
sell
smart
contracts
that
regulate
economics
separated
from
smart
contracts
that
regulate
economic
fares
society
have
been
experimenting
with
that
like
just
starting
right
something
that
mature
that
version
alpha
experiment
really
build
upon
feedback
that
people
gives
from
kinds
network
states
like
let's
borrow
the term
from
Balaji
that
blockchains
are not
only
token
blockchains
instance
smart
platforms
emerging
nations
must
find
ways
coordinate
people
those
nations
with
something
better
than
what
already
have
traditional
world
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cents
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much
think
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cents
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worth
a few
thousand
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ourselves
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think
about
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allowing
ourselves
discuss
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open
this
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very
powerful
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reminder
everyone
we're
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and so
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it's
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like-minded
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I appreciate
the words
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we're very
very excited
to the next
steps
I guess
forward
it's also
a call
to action
to Blockchain
everybody
that is
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make sure
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in our
booth
we're gonna
have
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conversations
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do have
a few
surprises
in Blockchain
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much
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we should
definitely
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from you
guys
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