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Moonbird Council chat. Proof Collective. All welcome
Recorded: May 10, 2023 Duration: 0:58:58Space Recording
Full Transcription
All right, I'm just trying to get it going here.
I hope everybody's doing well.
I was taking the first couple minutes and just making sure I'm following all these moonbirds.
Um, Marlo, I sent you a co-host, um, invite because, uh, I hate not to have a co-host, um, because you can get rugged.
If I get rugged, that way it stays alive.
Following LEC 10 here.
I wasn't following them already.
Oh, good.
Marlo is now a speaker.
Co-host.
Great.
That way I get rugged.
Um, the space stays alive.
How are you?
That was a good meeting, wasn't it, Marlo?
Hey, I'm just getting set up with, uh, headphones and stuff.
So I just need a minute, but I'll be there.
Go ahead.
Do that.
Go ahead.
Do that.
We're starting to, starting to get some folks in.
Alex McGregor, I'm giving you a follow back.
Nice.
Um, so just to set the room a little bit, we just had a, um, very productive, uh, meeting with, um, the team.
And, uh, that was, that was great.
There's a lot of suggestions.
We have, you know, um, a lot of stuff to work on.
Um, and the folks that are on the council, uh, have great ideas, uh, as far as ways to engage, ways to, uh, communicate, just a plethora of things.
And one of the things that we want to do, uh, we're going to create a community council Twitter.
So it doesn't have to be from my account.
It can be that way as we retire, it can be passed on.
Um, and, and then that is one of the.
I think flow back communication, uh, tools will be, you know, the DMing of the, um, council, Twitter, the spaces where we, you know, get feedback, build the agenda.
Um, they want, um, they want like 80% of the agenda to come from the council, which means, you know, that everybody feedback is super, super important because that's, um, you know, a large part of how we would build the agenda.
Right.
So fun stuff.
Um, if you're on the council and coming in, raise your hand, uh, cause I want to make sure I get you, uh, as a speaker.
Um, and then before, Oh, so part of this will be, you know, if we get council members in, we'll chat a little bit and then, um, you know, we're going to ask for questions.
Cause that's, that's going to be, you know, the fun of it and it's not like we can go and just say everything that was said in the meeting because that's part of, you know, why, why you do a council.
So you can kind of get honest feedback and all that without having to worry about everything being, um, repeated, you know, in totally open space.
But at the same time, there are things we can talk about.
And at the same time, there are, there's a lot of things we need to hear so that when we go back into that, you know, um, environment where we can actually talk to Kevin, talk to Forrest, talk to Stevie, you know, we have your feedback.
And, um, it needs to, you know, be a community, uh, driven, uh, agendas so we can kind of, you know, build this thing together.
And, and, uh, I think that's, what's getting ready to happen.
I'm coming out of it just so you know, and, and I know, I, I think some people think, well, you're always positive.
I'm not always positive behind closed doors.
I stay positive, um, uh, out in public because I think that's helpful.
Um, but, um, I'm so, so I'm being very honest when I say I'm coming out of that meeting with just really good, positive, um, feeling for the future because there's a lot, uh, that can be done and will be done.
So that's, that's fun.
Marla, are you set up now?
Yeah, I'm all good now.
Okay.
Do you, do you think, how did you come out of the meeting?
Um, I really like how Forrest is handling, dealing with all of us because we can be like, we can be a little like aggressive and salty at times.
Like, I know, like you said in public, we're very supportive, but when we have opinions, we're like pretty intense about them.
So I think they're doing a great job of listening and implementing things so far.
And, um, I'm pretty happy with the direction.
I know, like, we can't say, like, we can't come out and say like, oh, hey, we suggested this and they did this and avoided this.
But, like, we, we are seeing, uh, impact from our feedback so far.
So it's been great, I think.
Oh, I, and I think we can say some stuff like just the fact, like, this isn't getting specific, but the fact that how you, you as an artist are helping guide, um, even like the reshuffle and some things where you were like, look, from an artist's perspective, this is important.
And when you make sure we announce why and this and that, and I thought, I thought that was a matter of fact, I think so strongly about your role in the council that I think when we, in six months, I think one of the roles should be, it has to be an artist.
You know, an active artist from the community still voted on maybe, maybe all that's done, but an active artist in the ecosystem, because I can't imagine not having you specifically on the council representing people that are minting people that are, you know, that are doing things.
I think it's, it's super, super important.
So, um, that would be one of my takeaways as we build the, Hey, this is how it's going to be reformed in six months.
I think it's got to have an artist.
Yeah.
I don't know whether you agree.
I agree for sure.
And I think sometimes people forget that like they call NFTs shit coins with JPEGs, like who's making the JPEGs, like it's artists that are building this whole layer for everyone to play, play with.
And, um, I think there needs to be more focus on the artists and how to make things conducive for them so that we can in turn bring more value to you guys.
That's right.
Well, if it's not good for the artists, the artists will, will naturally go away.
And then if you're going to be, um, Moonbird's, um, art focused community and there's no art, you know, you're, you're, you're not focused on something.
Um, so yeah, I think for the community to succeed, we, we, and this, I'm saying, this is the whole Moonbird community.
You know, we need artists that are excited about what we're doing and they're involved in what we're doing.
And in order to have that, you've got to hear what they've got to say and you've got to answer their needs.
And I, I love, you know, some of your ideas and, and, and then, uh, the communicating those and everything.
So it's super important.
So I'm glad, um, you agree.
We ought to have a artist on there all the time.
Um, am I missing anybody from the council?
Has anybody requested?
Okay.
I think Riggs and some people, they had to keep moving, LeCos, and they had, they had other stuff they had to do, um, which is totally understandable.
So, um, let's see if you're in the audience and you want any clarification or anything, you want to throw up some ideas of stuff you want to make sure we bring up.
I actually literally took my notebook out and have it with my pen so that we can, um, and this is a recorded space.
Uh, but that, that way we can make sure like, Hey, this, this is the things we're hearing from the community.
Of course, for me, you can always hit me with a DM.
You can always get me in discord, uh, different people communicate in different ways, but, um, this is one of the ways.
So if you want to raise your hand, come on up.
Um, and we can bring up, um, Forrest if they, you know, question is for a team member, uh, Stevie we've got.
So do we have a time limit for this just, I'm a, uh, always a hard stop at an hour.
And I, I've, you know, that's, it doesn't matter even like when we did Tim Ferriss, he, we, we let it run over, but that's kind of an exception.
I like to stop at an hour and I'm going to, I told my neighbor at four Oh five, I'll be in the back deck with a cigar and a gin and tonic.
Sounds good to me.
So that's as long as I want to go.
Um, I'm going to, I'm going to invite Forrest up.
Maybe we'll get a little chat going here until we have some questions.
One thing.
Is that Jan out there?
One thing I really want to say is like, um, I think.
It would be great to, if proof was like the project that all artists really wanted to collaborate with.
So that's kind of where my head is at with this council thing is like, uh, not just getting feedback from all the holders, but also trying to work with the artists more.
Um, so I don't know if there's any artists on here or, um, if people have ideas about how to build those relationships with artists in a stronger way and do more bigger win wins for artists and everyone, um, definitely reach out.
Um, I love it.
And can you talk about any of the ideas that you had?
I don't know what you want to talk about or not as far as, but you had a couple of really good ones that you think are good for artists.
Um, I don't remember what, what I had said in the past, but I actually think that proof is doing a pretty great job so far.
Um, and yeah, just, I think there's always room for improvement, but, uh, yeah, it's been really nice to see how, how amazing proof has been for artists.
Like if you think about the, the recent drops, like the diamond exhibition drop, like the amount, um, that proof gave to artists in ETH to like facilitate that drop during a time when it's really hard for artists.
I think that sort of support is huge and, uh, we don't appreciate enough what proof is actually doing for the artist community.
So I think, uh, we should talk about that more in general and not, not focus all the time on like our bags and like floor prices and all that stuff, but like actually the importance of, um, what proof is doing for the arts community.
And yeah, it's pretty great.
Well, that's good to hear.
So I didn't even see, I don't, I'm not in on like the artists got ETH and that kind of thing, but if that's, that's good for artists.
I know it has been cause I, you know, we've watched proof and I'm going back some, but we've watched them actually, you know, launch some artists where we've been at things where, um, you have, you have an artist come up to us and say,
I wouldn't have been able to go full time into my art if it weren't for, um, you know, proof.
And I, I love that.
So that's wonderful to hear.
Tristan, did you have something?
Yeah.
Um, one, one.
Hey, yeah.
Um, hello from Los Angeles.
Can't wait to hang out with the community.
Uh, nice to see every, everyone, all your beautiful smiles, um, from your PFPs.
So, uh, what's the, what's the overall vision of the, uh, of the council and, um, talk about goals.
Like, where do you see this in five years?
Um, if everyone's, if the success story played out, uh, what, what does the ecosystem look like?
Um, yeah.
So general vision.
I'll, I'll, I'll answer what I think about the council and then we let Marlo, but then, uh, I think, you know, that's a good place for Forrest to jump in.
Cause he's actually organizing and we'll, we'll have the definitive answer.
So for me, I, I have a couple of specific goals, um, that I, I would like to see happen over the next three, four months that I think will, and I'm not somebody who's afraid to talk about the floor price.
I know a lot of people think that's a negative, but to me, it's a matrix that, that talks about not just what you're doing.
Cause as Marlo said, I don't know of another community that we've got $2 million that we're granting out for projects right now.
We're in the middle of that.
And I think that's like, you know, like flip over backwards, crazy cool.
Um, and I'm in some other projects and, you know, I don't know of any that are doing that.
Um, there probably are, but I don't know of them.
Um, and so to me, it's, it's the, it's a metrics of not just what you're doing and the art that we're doing all that.
It's how well you're communicating it.
And I think one of our areas that we can help is with the messaging and the communicating and the timing and the method of communication and all that.
And so that's one of the things I'm kind of zeroing in on and I have some specifics, but I won't go into those.
But, um, so for me, the council is a way for actually the team meaning right to the top to get feedback from the community because they can't, and you've been in them, Tristan, you go in the discord when there's, you know, three, four or 500 people in there in the, in the, like the town halls and stuff.
We can, we can kind of weed through a lot of that and, and then, and then talk about it on our own, which we're doing.
So we're, we're talking with the team, but we're talking on our own and we can kind of weed through that, distill it down.
And part of why you voted for the people you voted for, for the community council is you trust them, um, you know, in different areas, you know, but you trust them to say, Hey, you're going to represent us well.
And so we can distill that stuff down and have a very controlled, good conversation with the team and actually get movement.
Um, which as you know, from being on those, if Kevin couldn't act on a lot of that kind of with, with 400 people and just, I don't know.
So I think that's, to me, that's the goal is to get a kind of a good liaison between the, the, the whole community and the team and then help shape what they're, how they're communicating and what they're doing based on that feedback.
Marla.
Um, yeah, I would second all of that.
Um, we've already, I feel like we've already gone maybe a little too above and beyond, but we've been distilling the feedback from the community.
We've been brainstorming solutions.
We've been presenting the team with ideas and important pain points to address.
Um, and I feel like for me, one of the most important things is to build trust.
So, uh, building trust with the team as well as the community.
So it goes both ways.
Um, and just seeing like where we can strengthen our relationships a bit better.
Um, cause I think that the people, the people and the relationships are just as important or even more important than, uh, deliverables.
Um, so I think that's really important that, um, we can kind of build a bridge, um, of trust and respect between everyone involved here.
Um, so yeah, that's a big aspect of it for me.
Um, so in five years, if y'all are successful, some new Moonbird coming into the community feels a sense of trust and respect, um, much sooner than they do currently.
Yeah.
Is that accurate to say?
Yeah, for sure.
And I think, um, we're only, the council only goes for six months for each set of people.
So it's tough to say like what we do here is going to be like, uh, affecting things in five years.
But, um, that's, that's what I would like to do.
Like as much as I can is build the trust and respect and the, the feeling of the community as much as the deliverables and the innovation.
Totally.
Yeah.
Thank you both for, I think that you, you described that really well.
I think the only thing that I would add is I think for us on the, on the Moonbirds and Proof side, you know, we, we know that there's an opportunity for us to better distill the feedback that we're getting from the broader community through multiple channels, whether it be feedback and discord or Twitter and the like.
And those things are still going to be things that we prioritize and work on in parallel.
But we, we saw this opportunity to have the council and it was certainly something that the community showed interest in.
Um, so we saw this as an opportunity to spin up the council and have it be an additional way in which we would essentially, um, uh, prioritize the feedback that we felt like was going to be most impactful and helpful for the community at that moment.
And what I mean by that is that oftentimes when I scroll the discord, uh, sometimes our feedback will fall into kind of three different buckets.
What I'd say is, uh, too early, just in time or too late.
Uh, none of those things are meant to be, uh, you know, negative, uh, kind of categorization of the feedback, but having the council members help us kind of like, uh, prioritize that feedback, uh, based on what they think is actual and will really help change the way that the community is feeling, uh, is so helpful because when I'm looking in there, people have great ideas about talents, for example, but it's not quite time for us to start implementing or thinking about those ideas.
Um, and sometimes the community council has a, as a bit more of a, because of the year they have on the ground and the conversations they have outside of our official channels, they sometimes have a better sense of what's really going to make people feel better.
Um, right now for me, it's, it's making sure moonbirds feel heard, uh, and that they do absolutely feel like that the feedback they're giving us isn't going into a black hole.
Uh, and again, the council is another great way to make sure that we were kind of closing the loop.
Um, even if we can't close the loop on every single piece of feedback, this is a great way of making sure that we are at least acknowledging that it's coming in.
We're categorizing it in a way that we can address the big topics and big themes together, uh, and show some progress so that people don't, you know, they continue to share the meaningful feedback.
I think right now we're in a, we're in a risky spot of, if we don't start addressing some of it, folks will, will stop giving us the feedback.
That's actually going to be what we need to grow and get better over time.
Um, so I know that was a lot of words there, but that's, that's kind of how I'm thinking about it.
And Tristan to echo kind of what, what Marlo said, I, I don't know exactly what we'll be doing in five years, but I can say this.
I would hope that in five months, moonbirds see the impact of, of this, if not five weeks from now, um, that the council's already actively, as they've mentioned, kind of influencing some decisions and giving us the feedback to, to make change now.
So my hope is that it doesn't take any major length of time for the community to, to see that impact, uh, in action.
Um, everything from hearing feedback to feeling respected to, to all that.
So hopefully that that's helpful.
Yeah, definitely.
All right.
Thanks for answering my question, y'all.
No, Tristan, that was great.
Um, that's the kind of, that's the kind of thing we need to know.
People want to know, you know, and that's, what's great about, uh, jumping on a little spaces and kind of, you know, giving folks a chance.
Which, by the way, if anybody's down there and wants to, um, has a question, just request to speak, um, that would be wonderful.
Um, there is so much coming, coming up.
Uh, I was going to try and run down the list and I'm like, there's gotta be somebody better to run down the list.
I was going to see if Stevie wanted to run down.
Cause we have the, the, and I don't know all the dates, but the re, the, the re-roll that art is coming due.
We've got, uh, what is it?
We had another grails.
Don't we have a grails coming like in the next couple months?
And it feels like we just wrapped up.
I mean, there's so much stuff coming between now and the end of the year.
I can't even name it all.
And Forrest is talking about talons.
Like it's a long time off, but he's talking months, not years, you know, and I don't know whether that's six months, but I don't, I don't know.
But it's just like all the stuff they're working on and that we already have coming, that's already planned.
Um, it's amazing.
So that's what I'd say about that.
So if we don't have any questions, we're going to, we're going to have to have a couple of questions to, uh, keep rolling.
Amanda, did you want to come up and run over what's coming up?
Cause I can't do it.
I'm not qualified.
No, you're totally right, Drew.
We've got so much stuff coming up.
Um, you know, grails is something we'll be focusing on.
Obviously, you know, mythics work is continuing, um, but you're totally right about some of the things I spoke to of like, they, they are, they're far off in web three terms, uh, but not, not years away for sure.
Um, so those things are coming up, um, as far as, uh, as, as our, our side of things go on the feedback front, I think one thing that we'll be, uh, doing more, uh, as we work with the council and with the broader community on feedback is,
is making sure that we are, um, you know, giving you all an opportunity to provide feedback, uh, in time.
And what I mean by that is that, uh, we are, uh, whether it's in product messaging, the format is kind of up, up to, uh, still figure out in discovery, but we want to be able to actually ask you all pointed questions, uh, for things that we need feedback on.
Uh, because, um, you know, sometimes we're getting free form feedback and it's helpful and we can implement it.
Um, but oftentimes the feedback that really is stuff that we can implement right away is the, hey, here are the three things we're considering.
How do you all feel about these, these options?
So I think you'll see us get better about letting you guys know when that feedback is necessary and when it's, and when ultimately when we've, we've taken the community's feedback into consideration, which is, is more times than you'd believe.
Um, we, we, we, we, we listened pretty heavily, but we need to do a better job of letting you all know when your voice was the thing that, that, uh, that took us down that path.
Outstanding. Uh, Sage, if I'm saying that right.
Hey, how's it going? Um, yeah, sorry. I just saw, I just saw the spaces, so I thought, um, I'd pop up. I'm pretty, uh, pretty late to this one, but, um, apologies if you've covered this already, but I just wanted to know, you know, as, um, as the council members, like what,
what were the, I mean, I'm sure it was a long or maybe short list. Um, but I just wanted to know, like, what, what were the key things that you first fed back to the team?
Well, it's funny cause we started right. And Marlo was really, I should let her go first, but I'll go first and let her answer. Cause she was really key in a lot of this artist stuff with the, uh, re-roll and to make sure you don't do X and please make sure you do Y, because this is going to be good for artists.
This is going to be bad for us. Cause we kind of just got started right in the middle of the diamond. Um, um, yeah. And so we, we, we, we, that was when you say the first stuff I had stuff on my mind and none of that, we didn't get to really any of that because we came in in a, in a bit of a storm, um, which turned out to be, I think kind of a fun storm, you know, after, you know,
they figured some things out. And so it was kind of consumed with that. I think literally we're just now, and I hope this kind of more answers your question. We're just now today was our first meeting and it was more of a, Hey, this is all of us. This is what we're thinking, uh, what Forrest just did. This is, you know, how we can, you know, communicate, how we can, um, um, meet and how is it, that kind of thing.
So I think to me, we're just now getting started. So this is our, this, this, this, this is where we're starting. Go ahead, Marlo. I probably didn't do a good job there.
No, it's okay.
I almost don't want to like list things because there, there've been so many things that we've addressed in, in the telegram. So we've got our official meetings, but we also have chats in the telegram daily about, uh, different ideas and concerns.
And it's been, um, I think it's been very productive and very, uh, kind of intense, actually.
So pretty much anything you can think of, pretty much anything you can think of that has been brought up in the discord.
We've brought up in the telegram and then tried to provide some, uh, solutions or ideas around them.
Yeah, cool. Okay. Great. Great. Great to hear it. And, um, yeah, you know, I'm sure you guys will help, help steer the ship in the way it needs to go.
Yeah. If there's anything specific you want to ask about, uh, feel free for you or anyone else. Um, and we can talk about it.
Nothing for me, like right, right now, but, um, I mean, yeah, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll give it some thought and come back.
If you do another, another one of these and, um, yeah, contribute. Thank you.
Our plan is to do one of these after every community council meeting so that, um, one, we can report in a little bit and then to get feedback and we'll do it.
It won't be undermined that we're going to start a, um, community council Twitter so that we have something, you know, in six months, you know, we can move the credentials around.
And Kevin's point on there, which he's right. We've got to be careful how we set it up because he doesn't want another access point.
If somebody were to get hacked and get on there and start putting out links, um, um, for a scam site or something, you know what I mean?
So it's gotta, we gotta be very careful. Um, and, and, and probably that kind of a rule, like there'll never be a link from this account that is somewhere you're supposed to go, you know, like, or whatever.
I'm not the person to do it, but somebody is going to make those rules up and make sure they're very publicized. Cause that's a, that's a concern, but we will get it done.
And then we'll come back on the afternoon after the meetings and kind of do this report in and there'll be things we can really talk about. Hey, we just, you know, all talked about this and we agreed and, and, you know, perhaps we can do some announcements, but it's more a place to hear, hear from you and to, you know, kind of answer questions about what we're doing.
And, and, and the direction we're going.
Hey, Drew, thanks again so much for, uh, for hosting these. Um, I think it's a really, really great idea to report back. I think, you know, one of the things that is, has been really, really awesome is to, especially, yeah, I think it was like your first week.
You guys kind of got hit into the, in the storm of, you know, uh, a lot of madness. And I am so grateful for all of your points of views and, uh, everything that you guys had to say about, you know, how best to address this and how quickly to address this.
Um, and I think, you know, for, from our point of view, I hope that this has been, um, or this will continue to be a really interesting look behind a team and what it takes to, to, uh, be successful.
And, you know, what some of the things that, uh, other holders like may not see. Um, I think that that's super, super helpful, uh, at the very least for you all to be like champions for us to give a little bit more context.
Um, and to be able to sort of like, um, speak on behalf of what you've learned about the team and, and what it is that you are hearing that we're doing.
I think that, you know, having this like group of 10 folks that everyone trusts, um, to be able to be like, Hey, listen, um, they're working on it, or I know that they're working on it or this is something that they actually really do care about, um, is, is really important.
I have to hop off though. I have a, a quick, uh, lunch to go to, and then I have to get back to my, the rest of my crazy day today, but I just wanted to come up and say that like, it's super, super helpful to have you all here, um, as another voice, another, uh, another sounding board, um, you know, another group of folks that people in our community can always, uh, reach out to and share their thoughts and, and have all of those come back to us.
I think it's, it's, it's going to be a really awesome way to, uh, to hear even more about what the community is thinking, especially if they may not want to say that to the team directly.
Well, thank you. And, and that, the, having these, the, the council meeting today and being, you know, able to see each other and talk to each other, it's, you know, it's great to work with you.
It's great to, you know, see Justin jump in and it was just, yeah, it, I think it's a big positive thing. And I think if we can, no, not if we can, as we, you know, relay all this to the community as a whole, and we start seeing some of the, the, the, the fruits of these labors, um, I think it's just going to be very, very, uh, good for, you know, the whole ecosystem.
So that's why I say how I'm excited. When a couple people come up, do we have any questions there?
Uh, um, go ahead.
Oh, Hey guys. Uh, just wanted to jump up. Um, after listening to Marlo's answer where, um, you know, it was like, Oh, we brought up so many things that it's like hard to let you guys know. Um, unless you dial in like one at a time, that makes sense. Is there a way to, um, get some transparency though on, I don't expect like access to the telegram. Um, but just maybe like a report, like, Oh, this is what we brought up for you guys.
The team told us no on this, or they said yes on this. You know what I mean?
I think when we have an agenda, so, so as what Amanda had just said, what I said before, as far as we came in the middle of a shit storm, I think we're all just kind of shying away from all the different things that were, you know, boom, boom, boom.
Um, but I would say this, and, and, and, and actually I'd like Forrest to come back on this. Um, I would say when we have an agenda, I think we could even share that agenda.
And then we could report in specifically on the team said, you know, like, like on talents, we had some, and I can say this cause I heard Forrest say it. Um, we had suggestions on talents and, um, he was basically like, got it.
There's some things we would like to implement quicker than that. And talents aren't going to be ready. You know, they're not ready in two weeks. So, um, I think when we have an agenda, it'll be easier to say, this was the agenda.
Uh, here's what we can report in it rate right now. It was kind of jump in the middle of a firestorm, get ourselves together and then have the first meeting where we kind of lay the groundwork of how we can work together. Does that make sense? Vitamin?
Yeah, it totally makes sense. Totally makes sense. I, uh, I'm just kind of anxious to see that what you guys are raising up, you know, behind the scenes. So I guess we'll have to be patient, but appreciate what you guys are doing.
Yeah. Forrest, if you could speak to that, the agenda and what you think we'll be able to, let's answer the transparency question. Cause I don't actually know the answer to that.
Yeah, that's a great question. And honestly, um, for transparency sake, I'll say it's something we'll need to figure out actually along the way, because, um, you know, something we've talked to the council members about that's, you know, important to me is that we could easily come up with an agenda for these meetings of things that we want to talk to the council about or get their input on. And we, we certainly will include some of those items, but the way I described it to all
the members was that the goal of these meetings is that they're 80, 20, that 80% of the things we talk about are the hot topics, the things that they're hearing on the ground from the community. Um, the things that the community, uh, you know, is really feeling passionate about us fixing or solving. Um, so those are the things that will form the majority of the meeting. So those things, I do think that we could probably, um, do a bit more of closing the loop of like, Hey, these are the things that were brought up from community feedback. And these, this is the status of that thing. Either it's being considered or, um, it's not planned or the like, um, there's probably an opportunity to do that, but there will be some
things we'll occasionally bring to the council to get quick input on that, that if we were to be transparent, transparent about it, even in any form, it would almost defeat the purpose of, of using them as a sounding board. So we'll have to balance it a little bit, but, but I definitely do want some aspect of it to have, uh, you know, the ability for you all to know the decisions that are being made. And more importantly, the outcomes that are coming from those decisions and whether you all feel things are improving or, or, or not. Um, does that help vitamin?
Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, totally helps. I know you guys are still developing this. So as long as you consider the transparency, um, so we can look in without, you know, being involved, obviously don't want to have too many, uh, cooks in the kitchen.
I think it's great. I think it's for us. I think that is something we actually need to create kind of a document on, you know, is the agenda shared or shared afterwards with some things, you know, what, what, what are we sharing and aren't we sharing and how do we, uh,
um, uh, communicate that in a real, uh, positive way that, uh, everybody, and I say positive way, some of it's going to be negative, you know, let's, let's, let's, let's let everybody, you know, see a little bit of the, um, what is it? Sausage being made without, you know, obviously if you opened, you know, the telegram up to, you know, 6,000 people, then it's not, it's no longer effective. So I don't, I don't know what the answer to that is, but I think vitamin brings up a great point is we need a document on that to say, this is what we're going to do.
Cause that would be the first thing to communicate to the community is, Hey, this is what we're doing. And to let them know we're meeting every two weeks. I don't even know if they know that, that we're going to have an agenda, um, that you want 80% of it to come from, uh, the council. So that, that is the reason for us to get feedback from the community. Um, and I think some of these ideas, you know, that we have around talents, wouldn't that be neat to throw that in discord
thread of community input, but we would need to know what the guidelines are on that kind of thing. So I, I like that. Thank you vitamin for raising that.
Yeah, that was a great question and great feedback all around noted for sure.
Yeah, no problem. I, and what you just said, um, jumping on what drew said there, um, the negative, it would be nice to see, like, if Marlo was like, you know, I brought this, this, this up for, um, because I saw it in discord, but the team said, no, no, no.
So like, that would be good to see like, Oh, we have someone fighting for us. It's not their fault that it's not like being implemented, you know?
So I feel like it's definitely pretty tricky because some stuff we said, Oh, Hey, don't announce this or don't do this. And they didn't do it and listened. But if we said what that thing was, then it defeats the purpose. So yeah, this is a tricky one.
Um, can y'all hear me?
Yes. Yeah. Wing Jung.
What's popping. So I thought it was an intriguing approach to it. Um, not to like negate the telegram, but, um, to think about like, uh, the body, not body, uh, punk, like when you didn't have to see like the whale chat and see them communicating.
I think that would be like a nice form of transparency. Cause then say, for example, y'all bring up stuff in the community, people can read into it and kind of get hype about it.
Like even like Kevin Rose kind of spitballing, you know, it's kind of like a see-through page in a way. Um, and say, for example, we're watching what's going on and someone's like, Oh, I like that point that you made. I want to build upon it.
Say we make like a category, right. Um, inside discord and then a channel for just the community and the people that's, um, not the community, the community council to be in to speak with, you know, the founders and stuff.
And another channel, that's where we can literally just put in suggestions. So we have them close to each other. People can go through and visit and react with it. I think that would be intriguing. And it's a way for like, like, for example, like just because y'all say y'all meet every Tuesday, not saying that y'all don't, but like, we don't know. It's kind of like out of sight, out of mind to what we maybe have this, uh, the spaces or, you know, people bring it up or whatever.
But I think with that, it's actively there. We see it growing. We see people, you know, responding to it and things like that. And I think it'd be a way to like, you know, just in incur incitement with inside the community for, uh,
That's great.
Sorry.
I actually, well, all I want to say, and I want to hear what you have to say for it, because that's what matters, but I love the idea of, um, you know, the council can type and the team can type, but everybody can see.
And then we, and we wouldn't talk about everything, you know, we wouldn't, you know, there would, there would be things that they don't like Marlo said, it would defeat the purpose to decide not to announce something, but announce that you're not announcing it.
That's kind of, that's yeah. So, but, but, but if we put a topic in there, like, let's throw out some ideas around talons and how it may help with the Dow or some things like this, you know, that would be, you, you would have enjoyed.
I think you would have enjoyed that string of conversation. And then people could put input in the discord. And I think it would activate a lot. I think it's a great idea that personally, and I may be missing something. So, but I think it's a great idea. And you're saying the apes do it. So that, yeah, that sounds cool.
Yeah. And by the way, Drew, this is totally your space. So what you're saying is way more important than what I'm saying. I'm so honored to be here on your space and to talk to you, all the council members and all the community members that are interested in hearing more.
So thank you for having me up. But no, I agree with you, Wing John. There's definitely an opportunity. I don't know if it'll take the form of us having like maybe more transparent conversations with the council in that format, but I think kind of what you're hitting at is something that I've, I've wanted to solve for a few months and just simply haven't been able to do it in the way that I feel like, or to give it the attention it deserves.
And it's that we have this existing feedback channel and discord, and it may or may not be the best channel for, for capturing feedback, but it is where a good majority of it comes today.
And I think that if we were to start making that more of a conversation rather than just an in like a way of capturing the feedback, and it was more, we, we came there to talk about it, that we would maybe have a bit more of those meaningful, like idea riffing type conversations that you're describing.
I think one of the challenges that I've been trying to balance, which is similar to what we, we talked about earlier is that, and I think you know, this is that sometimes Kevin will get in the discord and spitball a little bit, but we all know in this world, sometimes that spitballing, you know, inadvertently becomes folks maybe speculating on something that's coming, which is also not necessarily healthy.
So we're going to try to find a, find a balance where we can idea, share and riff together without, without the speculation becoming something that, that hinders it.
Um, hopefully that helps.
Yeah, I was thinking, uh, maybe you can coordinate it where it's like, say you have something that can't be revealed or it's super private that can be a telegram.
But like you were saying, in terms of topics and certain things that you don't mind to have the community have eyes on, it could be like a marketing technique where you're like, okay, I know that you're going to really like this one.
So like, let's talk about this one inside the kind of transparent chat that we have.
Oh, absolutely.
Yeah, so we've kind of been thinking about how to deal with some of the feedback on discord too.
Like, what if we had like a hoot system, but, um, just feedback.
So like in the feedback channel, anything that gets 10 hoots goes into this transparency, uh, channel where, um, then the council and the team can talk about it.
And everyone can watch, but it comes from like hooted feedback.
I, I have an idea.
Uh, what about, well, of course, you're going to answer her idea.
Do that first.
And then I have an idea.
Oh, I was just going to acknowledge that was a, an idea worth exploring.
Um, yeah, yeah.
And here's another one and that's not contrary to any of the other ones, but, you know, as using talons as an example, because it's kind of a, uh, uh, uh, you know, we have time, you're developing certain things, blah, blah, blah.
Right.
That may be one.
What if you did, you start a thread where we bring up talons and then, you know, the council can, you know, we can spit ball ideas and they could, we could like, literally like, this is an idea.
We want to discuss in public, uh, with everybody and, you know, you know, they, they could, everybody can put their comments maybe in the discord, whatever, but this would be a place we could, you know, spit ball and roll and do things.
I don't know if you, if you had a certain subject, you're like, let's talk about this.
Boom.
I don't know.
Just an idea.
That's a great idea.
And, and very similar to what I, what I hope to get us to, which is that, you know, ultimately, um, we're able to, uh, to prompt you guys to give us feedback when it's the right time for it.
Cause I think that is sometimes a challenge now is when you have, and it's not just a challenge for us or just for web three, it's just a challenge for gathering feedback in general from a community of our size is that, you know, when you give, uh,
a free, free form forum for feedback, um, you know, it takes so many forms, sometimes it's long form.
Sometimes it's a quick bit of feedback and, uh, you know, helping to point that all back to like a theme, uh, is, is sometimes challenging.
And I think like an example I'll give is that, you know, we might have some people talking about talons and how they might see talons used for art drops, for example, in the future, like Kevin's maybe, uh, insinuated.
We have other people talking about how talons might be used to reward, uh, loyal members or newcomers.
Uh, there's a lot of opinions about how talons could be used.
And I think if we were to try to get that feedback free form, you know, we would get a lot of great ideas and we certainly, we certainly do.
But I think we have an opportunity to say, Hey, this is where we're at on talons.
And this is, this is a piece of it, not to, not to mention turbo.
I know that's been a hot topic lately, but there's probably some points where in that story, if you all are familiar with it, where, where he went back to chat GPT or his community to get for feedback, we should probably be doing the same thing and say, Hey guys, we're at this fork in the road.
Do we go down road a or road B and what does each person think about it?
Cause I think if we start putting a little bit more framing around the kind of feedback we're hoping to get and what the decision is that we're making, uh, that feedback will then become more actionable.
Um, so that's, that's the hope.
Yeah.
I like that a lot.
I think I like the idea cause the, the, the suggestion channel for me, and I, I peruse through it, but it's, it's all over the place and, and you can't, you know, you read the comments and it refers to a different one above that.
That's 10 above that.
And if you guys were specific, if you said, this is what we're thinking, we'd like your feedback.
And here's the four ways we're thinking about it.
You'll get comments on those four ways.
And then you're going to get four other ways that somebody goes, Hey, you know, the paradigm isn't right.
Look at it this way.
And yeah, yeah.
I think that's a brilliant thing that gives community input and actually will yield ideas.
It's not just a, Oh, let's give people put, you know, a chance to say something.
And no, let's, let's give people a chance to shape it, you know, cause you guys may be thinking one way.
And if the community comes about really strong, like this is what we'd like to see.
Well, then that, that can help shape it.
So I love that.
We have 14 minutes left.
I'd encourage anybody in the audience.
If you have a question, this is the time to do it.
Cause we're going to hard stop in, um, yeah, but I can't see.
I don't have my glasses on 12 minutes.
Um, so just request to come up if you have a question.
Uh, and I, I, you know, right now say, cause I don't know.
I don't know whether we'll end up with something else and we'll run out of time.
I just like to say, thanks for everybody that came in.
Um, we'll, we'll hopefully see this grow as, as, you know, we have more council members on here.
Cause this was kind of sprung on.
I didn't announce it.
I was gone.
I was off in the woods cooking for veterans and stuff.
So it was fun time, but I was off Twitter for five days.
Um, so if you had, I've got some people requesting up Marlo, go ahead.
Yeah.
I just want to say as well, like we really are, we're not just like, um, here to further
proofs agenda, the proof team's agenda.
We're actually really strongly, uh, going to bat for the community.
So I hope we can build some trust there and show you we're getting results.
Cause we really have been trying really hard for you guys.
Yeah, I believe I I've seen it so I can, I can just vouch for it.
And like Marlo said, you don't want to say what, because then it's, you're saying what
you, you decided, let's not say that.
And it absolutely happened.
It worked.
There was, there was, you know, it was the right thing to do.
When it's already happened, you make it be crazy.
What you got, Mac?
Uh, GM, GM, first of all, Drew, good hearing from you again, man.
The rest of the team forced and everyone.
Um, I'll be quick.
Uh, I just wanted to know if like the community council is going to be having more to do with
the Dow.
And if so, is there a way to push through like another group?
So like a social goods group, um, I won't get into why there's no need for it here,
but, um, I would like there to be something like that.
So the Dow could give to charitable causes, even if they don't show support to anything
else, like at least they can to charitable causes.
Yeah, I can speak to that.
I think at this point, there's really, we're trying not to put too many guardrails around
what, what we will talk to the council about.
So, uh, lunar society is certainly things that we hope to, to get feedback from them
on and for them to gather feedback from you all on.
Um, as far as the social cause thing goes, that's something that's, it's cool.
You brought that up.
That's actually something I thought about for a while.
Cause at previous companies have worked out, we had, you know, teams or divisions of teams
that were focused on, you know, social good and, and, uh, you know, paying back the communities
that we were living in and working in and, and, you know, being good citizens.
So, um, I've always liked to think that, that moon birds are flying above the rest and
we're trying to be good people.
So that might be a good way for us to show that, um, we don't necessarily have an official
path for social good products in lunar, lunar society.
Uh, but I certainly wouldn't, uh, wouldn't, uh, let that hold you back.
I think anything, anything that wants to be, that can be proposed right now is, is open.
I'd say you probably with some social good things, it might be hard to tie back like the
actual value to moon birds, other than that it makes you feel good, you know, in your heart
to do good for other people.
But, uh, there are enough people in our community.
I think that, that are trying to make the world a better place that would at least vote
or give feedback on the, on the, the proposal that you have, if you have one in mind.
Well, I mean, didn't Chris push through a social good, uh, proposal on cohort number two, it
was, it was for some art event in South America.
So like, it's totally possible and we definitely do that.
It's not.
Oh, like the Honduran art project.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, absolutely.
That one, I would say it definitely does have some social good aspects to it.
Obviously still ties back to our North star of elevating artists and making, you know,
art, uh, kind of in the forefront of what we're doing and, and just more important in
the world.
So that one, that one definitely had success, but yeah, to your point, Tristan, it's, I
certainly wouldn't hesitate to, to submit something.
If you think you have a good idea, you think other moon birds would get behind.
Well, uh, in that case, Drew or anyone else in here want to let me borrow a moon
bird so I can actually put a proposal up to the lunar society.
Uh, we'll, we'll talk about it.
Uh, Olivia, you go ahead and then I'll, I'll, I've got something to say about what
we just talked about.
Uh, yes.
Excellent.
So, um, just my connection to the moon birds community.
Um, you guys are awesome.
I wish I were a moon bird.
I also, uh, co-host, uh, fire first daily afterburn after the Zeneca show with a moon
bird humans on fire and his moon birds just hilarious with the little thing on fire.
Anyhow.
Um, I was wondering, uh, if you all had sort of a careers tab because web three talent is
something that's been hard to harness, I think.
And I'm looking for opportunities in web three and I want to bring my talents.
And so if proof X, Y, Z, Oh, and I have a moon bird bringing my actual resume to some
members of proof X, Y, Z to see if, you know, I could be a value add for you all.
Um, but is there some kind of, uh, way or channel or whatever, how the council is, or could do
things to look, to give the opportunity for people who want to get a career going in web
three?
Um, uh, is that being discussed or is that something that you would be interested?
We haven't, but that's the, that's the purpose of this.
So that, that, that could absolutely be something that we bring up, um, in the telegram.
Then if it makes the agenda on the agenda, I know all birds unite has a job channel and
it's worked.
I've seen two jobs get, um, people get hired out of that.
So, you know, I don't know if that's something, but, but thank you for, I just wrote it down
job channel question mark so that we will put, so this is perfect example of what we're
going to do.
I just wrote down job channel.
That doesn't sound like much, but then I'm going to bring it up.
We'll start talking about it.
And if it makes the agenda, we'll talk about it with the team.
So this is beautiful.
Thank you for that.
Um, I'm going to, Oh, Tristan, go ahead.
Then I'm going to say one thing.
Yeah.
Um, I think back to the discussion of trying to synthesize all of the feedback, I think it's important
because I think it's important to add some kind of weight to, to people and we're like
on Reddit, you can vote up, vote down.
And then even on stack overflow, um, like certain people's votes are weighted more than others.
And we should wait the votes of folks that are engaged and have been nested for a long
time.
And that moon bird has like stayed within their wallet and on their been tied to their identities
within the proof, uh, website and database and, and, and, and weight those.
Because I think a lot of the, like, a lot of the noise comes from people that just like
jump in there and they just like word vomit all, all over the community.
And then, and it's just, it's irritating, it's distracting, and it gets away from the point
of what the community, like the core community stands for.
And, uh, I mean, that's not to say that, you know, new members are not welcome.
It's just, you know, oftentimes like you get these grifters or flippers or whatever, and
they just come in there just to stir the pot and it's not helpful at all.
So, um, I think like a, some kind of weighting system like stack overflow does or, um, Reddit
would, would definitely help, uh, bubble up the good ideas.
Totally.
That's, that's worth considering Tristan.
I think like what Marlo mentioned earlier, we're going to start doing it just by a kind of
stack ranking the feedback based on the votes that folks give it with hoots or otherwise
to indicate that they, you know, they agree with that feedback.
It's, it's oftentimes easier to elevate the feedback that folks are like saying, yeah,
me too.
And maybe appending something to it than it is for each person to like share that same
feedback written in an entirely different way.
Um, so, uh, so yeah, we're, we're hoping to, the, the voting will help kind of bubble some
of that up, but I hadn't thought about like waiting the voting at all.
Um, but, uh, but that's something worth considering.
Um, but your point earlier is definitely something that's top of mind for us is we want to make
sure that, you know, we're, we're not building moonbirds just for the folks that are here
and not just for the team that's here.
We're building moonbirds for the future, which will definitely include some newcomers.
So we want to make sure there's a balance of, of listening to the folks who've been loyal
and here with us all along, as well as the, the folks that, that we're hoping to attract
into the community.
Right on.
Well, there you have it.
And I wrote down the charity thing to it.
I want you to think, uh, you make it be crazy that I ignored that.
I wrote that one down while I've written down six and, and like I, my head's spinning
on the charity thing.
It's like, maybe we take one month, you know, maybe we do a Dow vote that says we're going
to give away X in extra, say 50,000 in $5,000 increments.
Um, and, and October is going to be the month where, you know, you have a couple of weeks
to put them through and then we're going to vote and that's all we're giving away in October.
And it's all going to go to charity or something like that.
I mean, there's the, we could make that neat where it's like, you know, you could, the
5,000 can be a giveaway or it could be like the seed for a project that is a charity project
like the Honduran artists.
So, uh, yeah, I could, I, I could see where something like that could become a thing.
So thank you for bringing that up.
Oh, go ahead.
You make it be crazy.
Um, I just wanted to add, like, even if the Dow or the community or whatever else can't
support the project, there are projects out there, you know, like the one we're doing
that we're not asking for money for the project at all.
Like literally any donations that we've taken in have gone straight to the DAV, like not
to us.
And then we send the money to the DAV, like every bit of those funds have gone directly
to the DAV verifiable on chain with links to like the ether scans.
So like something like that, um, that's, that's what I meant by like social good, like not even
to projects or businesses or companies just straight to, Hey, you know, this is a great,
um, donation platform.
This is a great, they're doing great things.
90, whatever percent of their dollars taken in, go to directly to helping out, you know,
the charitable cause.
So things like that, um, like we're not looking for support for the project or company or whatever,
like I said, just charitable things like that.
So if there'd be a specific category just for, you know, those good causes, that's, that's
why I've got it.
I love it.
I'm going to wrap it up.
We've got, I want to, I want to make sure I gave Marlo a chance to, if she had anything
to say before we left, um, Marlo, do you have anything from closing?
I think I've pretty much said all I wanted to say, but it was great to talk with you guys
and get some like validation on some of the ideas we've had and know that we should prioritize
some of those more.
So yeah, it was good.
Good.
Well, thank you.
Forrest, you got anything to wrap up with?
We're going to, we're about a minute and a half.
We're going to wrap her up.
No, I'll say about the same.
Thanks, Drew and Marlo, both of you for, for hosting this and for all the work you've
both done and for all the other council members that have been helping us over the past couple
weeks.
And for all the community members that joined today, as well as those that are, you know,
taking the time to get to know the council members and sharing their feedback.
So we really do appreciate it and hope you won't hesitate to reach out to me or others
if you have any questions after we, after we close.
Outstanding.
All right.
I'm going to wrap the space up.
I appreciate everybody being here.
I appreciate the people who came up on stage and, uh, ask questions.
That's exactly what this is all about.
Uh, and a big special shout out.
You guys don't know how valuable it's been to have Marlo on the council.
Um, it's, it's great.
We have a whole bunch of really smart people, but it's been great having an artist represent
that community.
I think I said that earlier, but I want to reiterate it because I think it makes the
council operate having, you know, our mission is to support art and to be the, the art collectors
PFP and having an artist on there is paramount.
Um, all right.
Well, thank you folks.
Uh, see you in discord, see you on Twitter and I don't have anything to announce.
So I'm just going to say, I'm going out to have a gin and tonic and a cigar, and I'll
be thinking about all of you.
Thanks everyone.
Enjoy Drew.
Thanks Drew.
Mazel.
