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More AI. More DeFi. More Gaming. | CORE SZN 🔶
Recorded: Sept. 18, 2025 Duration: 1:02:18Space Recording
Short Summary
In a groundbreaking discussion, key players in the crypto space highlighted significant advancements in Bitcoin DeFi, including the launch of the core ATP on the London Stock Exchange, innovative solutions from Garden Finance for seamless Bitcoin transactions, and the integration of AI in DeFi platforms. These developments signal a robust growth trajectory for Bitcoin yield opportunities and a shift towards user-friendly DeFi experiences.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Yo, yo, yo, hello everybody.
Let me try to get some music going.
One sec Thank you. Thank you. sorry folks i was trying to get some music on nev do you know how to get the music going in here
our spring beyond the core community account no because x actually made some adjustments to how
we can do music now so you can only really use their default music.
And I'm mobile.
Dylan, I'm only here to support you right now, unfortunately.
There is the possibility of sending it through mobile.
I could drop some lo-fi.
Hey, if you could do that, that'd be great.
Yeah, absolutely, man.
I want to make sure the people here are comfortable.
Yo, Spring, I got a new microphone.
Do I sound crispy or what?
You sound so clean.
So clean, bro.
Let me pull up the music.
All right, sweet.
I'm already seeing some of the core favorites.
We got Ella in here.
We got Pulse, TomD5Course course. I'm seeing course sold in the leads
Dude, I'm trying to get you up on the stage
Hopefully the spaces aren't too ruggy today. I
See we got active finance and
Dude in here they're gonna be joining us up on stage,
along with a couple of other members as well.
It's going to be a fun space.
I'm excited to talk about the news that just dropped,
as well as the other dApps that have launched over these past two weeks.
Maybe talk about some yield opportunities, talk about some future drops.
So it's going to be a good one.
Once Twitter lets us get all the speakers up here, of course. E aí so
E aí E aí All right.
We got to do it up here now still waiting on aka finance
are waiting on gunnies as well although i saw aka i saw they were in the audience
yeah i tried to add them up i clicked approve and uh
elon is making things difficult definitely when are going to fix that? Elon is too busy making Starlink and Tesla.
After the Doge ETF.
What's more important though?
Like giving people internet across the world and self-driving cars or fixing the Twitter spaces?
Like I think he's got to figure it out.
I think Twitter spaces definitely are more important.
He's like his priority straight.
Right?
Guys, in the audience, if you're here and you're listening
we appreciate you for being here we would love it even more if you do a little like retweet comment
spread the news we're gonna have quite a few of our builders up on here we have the number one
giga chad hosting this space double d thank you Hey, thank you, thank you.
So please, let's give more eyes to this space,
and then Double D, I will play another song.
All right, let's do it, yeah.
Let's just try to get the rest of the speakers up on stage,
get through these glitches, but we'll start in a couple minutes
regardless, so let's just do one more song. Thank you. so
Oh E aí song two coming slowly to its end double d all All right. Let's just get this thing started. Hopefully we get
other speakers up here on stage. Maybe we'll have to rope up Tom, Define,
Wasp or something to get some different takes up here. Maybe we'll do some Q&As,
whatever works. Hold on. I'm getting a request right now. Let me check this real quick.
All right. Here we go. Wait. We're getting Ali ali up here we're getting another one of the speakers
if it works i just clicked accept so we'll see in a minute if he gets let up hey there we go all
right ali and dude we got you guys here how we doing both you guys how we doing today it's
thursday we already got some good core news today i know you guys are cooking on your projects
how we feeling?
Hey guys, doing really good.
I just got an invite from one of the BDs at Core
about the event that you guys are cooking up at Token.
So yeah, really nice day.
Almost at the end of my day today.
It's my first time joining a core space, so excited to chat with you guys.
Hello, hello, hello everyone. Glad to be here again with you and hope to have an exciting conversation regarding our very own core.
Yes, sir. Yes, sir. All right. I'm glad to hear you guys are doing good.
And dude, that's dude from the big Lebowski, right? Your profile pic?
I just saw that movie for the first time.
Hell yeah, man.
Great movie.
Like the movie?
I do.
Honestly, I was confused when I was watching.
I was like, what is happening here?
But it was really fun.
Dude's my favorite character ever, man.
Dude, he's the best.
Yeah.
All right, but let's just get right into it.
Let's talk about the protocols first.
For those who don't know, if you guys have been living under a rock, everybody in the space, it's core season, all right? And that just means hella integrations,
tons of dApps launching, kind of like institutional integrations too. We've had things like the
Ledger hard wallet integration, so you can stake Bitcoin from your Ledger. We've had like 12 dApp
launchers or something. We've had our previous dApps launching new features like ACCA.
And then we've had other apps integrate core like Garden, Garden Finance.
So if you go, if you guys don't know Garden Finance and ACCA,
basically Garden Finance lets you bridge Bitcoin over to core in a seamless way,
like instantly bridged over to core, which if you're used bitcoin defined core
you know how much of a problem that was it would you'd have to jump through all these hoops to
actually get your bitcoin from the bitcoin blockchain onto the core blockchain so that
you could then use it but now that's a problem of the past garden is here it's solved and then aka
i feel like everybody uses aka aka routes the best DEX orders to you. So you get the cheapest fees when you want to swap tokens. And now they got this AI component. So they have an AI agent where it's kind of complicated, guys. Try to stick with me. You simply tell it what to do and it does it. It's super complicated stuff. So say lend $15 of USDT on CoLend and it will just do it.
So that's the future of DeFi.
More AI agents on Core.
It's easy for me.
Now I can just sit back, kick my feet up on the beach, just relax, tell my AI agent to do my DeFi for me.
my DeFi for me. So yeah, I'm excited to talk about this stuff. And then we'll talk about the
So yeah, I'm excited to talk about this stuff.
news that came out today about the core ATP being live in the stock exchange in London,
the London Stock Exchange, which is honestly massive. I didn't even know this was coming.
So we'll get into that later. But first, dude, let's start with you. Let's talk about garden
finance. Just break it down for me.
Why? I want to know. Well, first, I guess explain to the people what it is, simply.
And then explain to me why this was such a challenge and how you guys made it so easy.
Because this has been a problem for so long with Bitcoin DeFi that it's really hard to get Bitcoin onto these different chains.
And I never understood it. I was like, why can't someone just make a bridge just like Garden?
Obviously, there's complexities.
I don't understand.
There's different problems, but you guys did it.
So break down what the DAP is first
and then just explain what you guys did different, I guess, from everybody else.
You can make it this easy process to get Bitcoin on decor.
Yeah, definitely.
So at a very simple level, Garden is just a tool for you to swap Bitcoin for any asset or any chain.
Similar, imagine just like Binance or something where you were able to swap crypto, you know, specifically Bitcoin for any asset.
And imagine doing that on chain. It's as simple as that at a technical level.
on-chain. It's as simple as that at a technical level. It's just a very straightforward Bitcoin
exchange and we try to support as many chains as possible and all of the assets that are in demand
generally so that people find a way to easily swap between Bitcoin and different assets across
different chains. And we are the fastest on-chain exchange. We usually take about one block on average to move
from Bitcoin to an asset on any chain and if you're let's say moving from any asset, take for example
the core BTC back to Bitcoin, it always takes less than 30 seconds. So that's one of our greatest
So that's one of our greatest USP is that the ability for any person to be able to move back to Bitcoin L1 in under 30 seconds from anywhere.
I think that kind of freedom is very liberating because a lot of Bitcoiners are scared or worried about the trust assumptions and the risks involved in you know interacting with EVM chains
or even core chain for example right. Garden gives the ability for them to you know move back
to Bitcoin L1 very very quickly very seamlessly giving them that comfort and like you know peace
of mind you could say to be able to use bitcoin and d5 seamlessly right and it's
not like you know like we just came up with garden out of the blue we've been doing bitcoin
interoperability for almost seven years so i've been in this space for a really long time
and garden is not our first foray into bitcoin we were doing Bitcoin bridging for seven years our first Bitcoin project was called REN protocol it was one of the first SMPC
Bitcoin bridges did about 12 billion dollars back in the day
garden is kind of like the successor of that bridge in a way so REN while it did
a lot of volume it was still cl Like, there is still issues around speed and security.
It was not completely trustless.
It was using a decentralized network for security.
Which adds a level of, you could say, like, vulnerability.
That's generally something you associate with a lot of bridges.
You know, generally, when there is a hack in crypto,
there is a good chance that and that was there would be a bridge just because of how badly built a lot of the bridges are you
know it's like the multi-sig or it's some network uh where it's easy to brute force and get like
majority and you know make some changes to hack the system so with garden we decided to make
bridging very basic like remove all the moving parts no multi-six no networks
keep it very simple right so garden is powered by very straightforward peer-to-peer swaps
where you know when a user comes in says i want to swap my bitcoin for ethereum um they'll be
matched with a solver or a market maker, you could say, who is willing
to facilitate the swap.
And both of these people get into like a simple trustless peer-to-peer swap and exchange the
assets.
It's as simple as that.
Garden doesn't run like a network or something in between.
It just like is a decentralized order book where people can just say, yo, and I want
this swap.
And then we match them with a solver. is a decentralized order book where people can just say, yo, and I want this swap.
And then we match them with a solver.
And then both of them get into a completely trustless swap built on smart contracts directly on chain.
One of the craziest things that we were able to achieve with Garden
is being able to deploy Bitcoin scripts on the Bitcoin L1 chain itself
to be able to you know have these shopping
contracts because as we all know the reason why we have so many EVM chains so many SVM chains
chains like core is because you know Bitcoin has like a crazy disadvantage in terms of having the
capacity or scalability to support applications on top of it so it's very hard to actually code into Bitcoin chain itself
so since we have a lot of experience with Bitcoin almost six years we were able to crack the
challenge of actually implementing these you know peer-to-peer swap contract directly into the
Bitcoin chain itself I would say that's that would be our USP and we've been live for about two years
That would be our USP.
And we've been live for about two years.
And we've done about $1.8 billion in volume so far.
We are very highly scalable compared to other Bitcoin bridges.
Because generally Bitcoin bridges are like AMM model.
like in the sense that they would need liquidity on every chain to be able to run and it's very
In the sense that they would need liquidity on every chain to be able to run.
complicated because you have to find LPs to actually you know provide liquidity give yields
it's a very complicated and not so scalable process but with garden since we are we usually
use peer-to-peer swaps these contracts are easily deployable on a lot of chains and what we need after we
deploy smart contracts are just some solvers who are ready to market make for certain assets.
And usually when we are supporting a new chain, either there are solvers readily available or
the chain itself is ready to provide some market making funds to support assets. So we can scale very quickly to the point that, you know,
it takes maybe three days to six days for us to add a new chain.
You know, that kind of scalability is not existing right now in any Bitcoin bridge.
And there has been like one secret for our success.
Wow. Wow. What a great answer. Okay. So it's peer to peer swaps and you figured
out how to do this with Bitcoin and how do you guys get it? So it's usually like takes one Bitcoin
block. You just pay more to the miners to be, to make sure that you're in that first block.
So there is something, there's a concept called resource locks. It is a way of think of it as zero confirmation.
So there is the concept called zero confirmation mechanism on EVM chains, right, where protocols
kind of take the risk of waiting for a block and letting the users use the funds right away.
But there are on-chain proofs that they use to gain
some level of confidence that the transaction will go through.
So this kind of resource loss has been implemented in EVM for a long time but hasn't been figured
out on the Bitcoin side.
We were able to figure that out on the Bitcoin side hence we are able to let users start
using the assets even before one confirmation
is reached.
Okay. Wow. Yeah. So you guys are just the OGs of the Bitcoin bridge space, it seems like.
And you said you already had a bridge in the past called REN or RES.
REN, REN. Yeah.
Yeah. So let me ask you for the Bitcoin side. Are you a Bitcoin yourself and you want to
make this product for Bitcoiners?
Or did you just see that there is clearly a need in the space for a bridge like this? How did this even start?
So we are not necessarily Bitcoiners, but we are generally like product people.
We are like very interested in building cool products that have great UX and tries to solve a serious problem in the space
and we kind of stumbled upon Bitcoin I would say like I think we were experimenting with different
products even seven years back when we were just getting into the space we did dark pools and a
bunch of other projects before we found Bitcoin to be the place where kind of our talent met the right use case. And once we kind of
started in the Bitcoin space, we felt that, okay, this is a really big, important problem to solve
and kind of decided, okay, this is the kind of space we want to pop it in. And since then,
we've been trying to build solutions that would take BTC forward.
Okay. Yeah. So you see a problem and you just go fix it. I love that. You're a straight builder. That would take BTC forward. Thank you, sir. And what kind of feedback have you been getting so far from core users, from Bitcoiners?
Because, yeah, I know there's a lot of Bitcoin DeFi users that are passionate about this.
I mean, you've heard the feedback from myself, but from other people, what have you been hearing so far?
I think one feedback that we get a lot is that the user experience is super, super clean.
And that was our core focus from the beginning because it's very clunky you
know bitcoin bridging because you know bitcoin has different wallets evium has different wallets
there are multiple cash tokens involved you know bitcoin block times are very long so we needed to
build an experience where it's easy using multiple wallets or no wallets or just using a deposit
address and also make the experience feel very clean and seamless and also being able to do it
in like very less number of clicks like right now on garden you can just do one click and move from
bitcoin to core or anywhere right you just you can just connect your bitcoin wallet evium wallet
don't have to worry about gas tokens or nothing just sell it okay i want bitcoin to this or something else to bitcoin put the numbers click boom sign that's it
it's that simple and we also we have this tendency in crypto where we all of our applications are
like all dark mode neon cyberpunk aesthetic, like, you know, very complex. So like anxiety inducing, it's like, oh, a lot of messages popping up.
And it's like so cluttery.
And we are like, you know, that's not what we'll get the next billion.
You know, people like to throw around this word, oh, we are onboarding the next billion
users onto crypto.
And you can't do that with experiences that are very complex or requires a lot of operating
knowledge to really use.
And we are the thought process that we need to have very simple, clean and approachable experiences.
And that's our setting.
If you check out Garden's brand, it's very clean, vibrant, pastel colors, very smooth and approachable.
And that's what people love about the brand.
Whenever someone comes to the product, they don't talk about the product they're just like oh your brand's so beautiful
it's like pleasing to watch and you know easy to easy on your eyes type so that's like the
general feedback we get first is like your brand is like very clean and you know nice to use and
then the ux is like buttery smooth. And third thing is the pairs we support.
So we support a lot of pairs around Bitcoin
that are generally very complex.
Even we were mentioning, you know,
in the beginning of this call about how
before Garden supported Core,
it used to be extremely complicated
for someone to move Bitcoin onto onto core chain and that has
generally been the story for a lot of pairs uh around bitcoin just like you know a few weeks
back we started we added support for binance smart chain from bitcoin and the amount of volume
that came in after we supported that blew our minds because you know binance smart chain is
like a very established chain and we were surprised as to you know why no one has solved the BTC to Binance Smart Chain
problem it's very clunky there's like very complicated hops that you have to take on
multiple chains you know convert between assets to move from Bitcoin to Binance Smart Chain so
and that kind of situation exists in a lot of other places as well so yeah these are the generally
few things that people love about us yeah and we are like working on I think this clear PMF
and mine now and right now the job is to scale it further you know make it even clean to the
point where you know we can compete with prices of centralized exchanges and also the speed of
centralized exchanges so that you know more people use bitcoin on chain instead of doing
it on centralized exchanges so that you know the bitcoin d5c improves a lot yeah yeah no i
cannot agree more i uh i always say that's one of the biggest problems with crypto is that it's just
so difficult to use the ui is terrible there's a
million things and you're right it's always like this neon like dark cyberpunk kind of aesthetic
on these different uxes but you know like i was saying how glad i am that garden finance is here
and now that it's easy to bridge over bitcoin that's just like the first part of it because
it's true your website the garden finance dap beautiful. And it's so simple. You just basically click one button, and then you're
set. And like you said, yeah, you figured out how to get it through in one Bitcoin block with the
cheap fees. So not only is it just solving a problem, but also just doing it in a way where
the user experience is so nice, which is kind's kind of rare in crypto sometimes so i definitely think that's a huge part of garden finance's success so i applaud you guys
for that for sure um so then i gotta ask i gotta ask if there's any alpha or anything on the road
map new integrations new features are you guys just going to keep expanding keep taking over
the bitcoin bridge space yeah definitely gonna take over
the bitcoin bridging space we won't stop until we are the best solution for it um some alpha
i think uh i would say is very very soon we will garden finance will be a bitcoin bridge option in
most of your favorite wallets and applications we've closed a deal with lefi
and few other bridge aggregators and very very soon you will be able to see garden on places
like metamask phantom wallet and you'll be able to swap bitcoin wherever you are you don't have
to come to garden the application you know we feel
like we want to make the process even smoother so we don't even want the users to have to open
garden and click and bridge we just want you to do it directly from you know wherever you are
whatever app you are on whatever bridge you or whatever wallet you are on you know we'll bring
garden to you is was the you was the core thinking behind this
and we've been working for the past
4-5 months to kind of
improve upon our
APIs and SDKs
so that any application can easily
add Garden directly
into their stack itself
so if any developers are hearing this
so if you're building on core
or any other chain,
you'll be able to add Cardin directly into your app using our APIs.
And we are kind of like a Bitcoin on-ramp of ramp.
So basically, for your users, it'll almost feel like Bitcoin was always there on your app.
It'll never feel like, oh, Bitcoin is getting breached or something.
Everything's abstracted. Everything's very quick and smooth so you can just give just like you would give
option for any other asset on your dap you can just give an option for bitcoin
dude you are saying all the things i want to hear right now i was talking about i was saying you
guys are going to like expand and take over i just meant like expand other ecosystems i didn't even think about metamask
grab you all if you guys are integrated into those i mean you guys have taken over at that point like
that's insane yep that's the goal um and yeah after that it's just improving the product
distribution set hell yes and then yeah i love what you were saying about just integrating it
straight into the dApps as if it's not already easy enough.
Like, I'm so spoiled that I want it in my dApp.
I don't want to have to go over and change dApps.
I want it in Coland.
I want it in ACCA, in these different dApps.
I mean, that's ideal.
So, yeah, if you guys could just put it in Rabi and in each of my favorite dApps.
I mean, I know I'm asked for a lot here.
I'm spoiled.
But that's like the perfect experience. Thank you. Yeah, I think that would be great. I'm asked for a lot here. I'm spoiled, but that's like the perfect experience.
Yeah, I think that'll be great.
I'm looking forward to that future.
Me too.
Me too.
Thank you so much, dude.
All right.
Now, speaking about other dApps, we got Ali here.
Like I was just saying, if we get that bridge into ACCA, that'd be great.
So, Ali, I've been using ACCA for like over a year now.
I know it's like one of the favorite
dApps of the core community everybody uses it but now you guys are kind of bridging into this whole
ai sphere which i know we're all happy to see i know core is ranked as one of the top ai chains
and now we're getting even more ai agents on here i see alerios in the chat right now with vault
layer so ali i'm just wondering, like,
I don't know, give the breakdown and tell the people what ACA is first, what it started as,
and then explain how you guys kind of are moving into this AI role and explain the new AI agent
that dropped. Sure. Yeah. First of all, I want to say congratulations to our friends at Garden Finance for building
such great products. We all agree that one of the main challenges in the current DeFi is UX problem, but the UX problem is different than just having a beautiful UI.
I strongly believe that current state of DeFi like, what can I say, like tools that build by engineers to engineers so there are lots of great opportunities but you almost
should be an engineer to be able to use these amazing tools because i believe that most of the
current you know protocols as my friend mentioned mentioned, be kind of infrastructure protocols.
It is not designed to be a user-faced product.
It is kind of interesting and amazing infrastructures.
But I believe that users should not
go to the infrastructure tools to, you know, jump from one protocol to another
and from another to another one to do, you know, their simple stuff.
Because, you know, when users come to the crypto, come to the web tree,
they are looking for opportunities.
They are looking for yield opportunity.
They are looking for trading opportunity, they are looking for
trading opportunity. This is the whole idea behind ACCA. We started ACCA as a
cross-chain liquidity aggregator to address the slippage issues. I believe
that fragmentation is not an issue, actually, in DeFi.
It is the nature of DeFi.
It is an amazing feature in DeFi, honestly,
to make it possible for everybody to come and build their own DAB,
you know, make lots of great improvements,
and we can sell, you know, diverse DABsApps with you know lots of great futures.
This is the nature of DeFi. DeFi is fragmented by its nature. So we started addressing this
fragmentation issue to aggregate the liquidity from different AMM protocol DEXs to provide a better swap solution for the users.
So users can come and do their swap and they can be ensured that they are doing this swap
with the best possible rate in the market.
Then, starting from about six months ago, we started for developing some AI stuff to
go beyond just aggregating the AMMs and DEX protocols and to aggregate all DeFi protocols
inside a single superdap and to make it possible for users to just focus on their willing and their strategy
instead of involving in lots of technical complexity and lots of technical steps
because as i mentioned users want yield we should make it possible for them to just come and say, hey, I have 1,000 US dollar on the BNB chain and want to explore great opportunities on core chain.
We should make it possible for users to just say this willing and this intent and then we'll do the rest on their behalf.
intent and then we'll do the rest on their behalf. So the idea now in the
recent upgraded version of ACA is to make everything as abstract as possible
and let user to just focus on their requests no matter which protocol no
matter which you know wallets no matter which what can i say technical knowledge
they just wants to come and say what they want and we will take care about the planning predicting
and executing definitely in the non-custodial way and actually we are doing it on behalf of them. I know that
you know most of you users are kind of digents and professionals that you know
are in this space for long time but we are talking about the next wave of the
users. I personally be in touch with lots of Bitcoin holders,
you know, different size of the holders. But you know, most of them just know how to keep their
Bitcoin on their wallets. They are not technical users. We cannot expect them to come and you know do lots of technical
steps to just put their bitcoin to work we should make it possible like as i said i want to put my
bitcoin to the work find the greatest opportunity for me this is my risk appetite this is the time
frame that i am looking for. This is the
maximum risk that I want to accept. So please go and find the suitable opportunities for me.
This is our responsibilities as a builder to make it as simple as possible for users to just
come and say what they want.
Yes, yes, yes, 100%. I love that you and dude are both kind of preaching that same message of,
we need to make this easier for the user.
If we want crypto to really take off, if we want DeFi to go to that next step,
this needs to be seamless.
It needs to be so simple.
And yeah, if you think about coming over to Core for the first time, someone who's never
explored it, how do you find out the top yield opportunities?
How do you find out which protocols have deep liquidity?
Which ones are safe?
You'd have to go look at a list, maybe go to DeFi Llama, see which protocols have TVL,
talk to people in the community, go into each of those dApps, check out all the yield
opportunities. It takes hours. It's like a full-time job. You have to research all this.
Instead now, you can just talk to an AI agent in plain English, say, hey, what are the best
yield opportunities in core? What are the different risk assumptions? And then on top of that,
it doesn't just tell you but then you could say
all right yeah lend out that 15 usdc all right yeah stake the core stake my bitcoin and give it
and then sign the transaction allow it to actually do that transaction for you so yeah i mean i could
see this you know i could see the future of defi for a while in the past i wasn't sure how we'd
onboard all these users it's so hard to to do all these things to understand all the complexities.
Even connecting your wallet, I have my friends telling me like, what does that mean? So complicated.
So this is exactly what we need. An AI agent where it can explain to you what's going on.
You can tell it what you're looking for, what you want to do, how you want to earn,
what risk you want to take.
And then it does all that for you.
Because, you know, everybody's got full time jobs.
Everyone can't be a D5D gen.
Can't put in all that research, all that work.
So, yes, this is exactly what we need.
So, yeah, that's awesome.
Why did you guys decide to pivot to this AI space?
Why did you guys decide to pivot to this AI space?
You just saw the way it was going.
You just saw the way it was going.
And I know you guys are all about giving users
the best experience on the Akka platform
with the bridge or the DEX aggregator.
And so is that just like,
what's the mission statement of Akka?
Like, are you guys just trying to provide
the best experience for users?
Yet the idea behind Akka is to, you know,
make it a kind of a adapt for the users, kind of go-to platform for the users that wants to earn yield by investing or trading. Imagine a place that aggregates all DeFi opportunities, all DeFi protocols,
handles all technical complexities, and let users to do every DeFi action.
Actually, at the end, they are not looking to do DeFi action.
They are looking to earn yield.
This is very important. As a builder, I think as a builder, we should always keep in
mind that what US users are looking. They are not looking to do bridge, they are not looking to do
stake, they are not looking to do lending, they are looking to earn yield. So the idea is to
integrate such an amazing products like lendings, bridge, staking, but at the same time
isolate the users from that complexities. You know I always tell my teammates and my friends that
for example now we all are in X space but you know that it's amazing, you know, feature on, for example, X are built on top of a very, very basic TCP IP protocol.
TCP IP protocol is still in work and still lots of great opportunities on web and internet unlocked on top of such a simple and basic protocol.
Nobody cared about TCP protocol, but without TCP protocol, without internet backbone,
we couldn't be able to come to the X-Space and talk with it together. But we as users, even technical users,
don't care about the infrastructure.
The infrastructure is the most have.
And I believe that from the infrastructure perspective,
and core chain, we already have all.
We already have lots of great products,
lots of great DeFi protocols so i believe that it
is the right time to unlock that opportunity for everyone honestly when we started to building the
ai agent we started for integrating different different protocols on core like colin b14g
different protocols on core like coland b14g and even for me as a builder on core chain it is
amazing that seeing such great opportunities on core chain even i didn't know about that
opportunities so how we can expect users to explore lots of different protocols, doing lots of research, to just know about the
opportunities. Again, I think it is our responsibility as a builder to make it possible
for them to do that and make it, you know, and unlock it for the users. This is our responsibility, and this is the mission behind DACA,
to make DeFi as simple as texting for the users.
You're getting me hype, Ali.
Hype me up, man.
You're getting me hype.
Yeah, you know, it's so true what you were saying
about users don't want to use DeFi.
They want to earn yield.
Now, for me, like, I love, like, for me, I love doing the different strategies.
I'm like, oh, if I lend my stable coins on CoLend, then I borrow core against it.
I could stake that core for a higher yield than the borrow rate.
It's like a game to me.
But it's so true.
99.9% of the world does not want to play that game.
They don't know how that game works.
They don't want to worry about it. So, yeah, they don not want to play that game they don't know how that game works they don't want to worry about it um so yeah like they don't want to play that game they just want
to earn yield so it's true like akka akka is doing a great job of this just making the user experience
great giving the people what they want you know the people want the low fees on their swaps
the people want to not worry about all these complex defy loops and everything like that
they just want to tell a large language model what they want and have an AI agent carry out those transactions.
So, yeah, I totally am aligned on the vision.
I totally get it.
I agree.
This is where we need to go.
I'm excited to see this keep getting built out.
So what's available right now on it?
I'm not sure if you could stake it.
I know you can swap.
I know you could connect to coland what's available right now and what are you guys going to add soon in
the future maybe you could give us like a little bit of a road map yeah so currently as you mentioned
through the intent users can do the swap lending, and all actions related to call-in protocol.
Also, we already integrated B14G, so users can do everything on B14G just by intent.
Staking on core network validators is also integrated and live in ACAR.
So for the next step,
we are planning to integrate farming protocols.
Molten is in progress.
Bridge protocols, definitely great products like garden.
So for the next step,
we want to make it possible for the users
to bring their assets just by intent from another blockchain network and put it into the work on core blockchain network.
And then we will expand to the other products, even like Volta, to make it possible for the users to do even kind of perpetual trading just by kind of intent and for the next step we
want to launch predefined ai powered strategies to make it even more simpler for users so imagine
kind of you know kind of auto compound vault that combine the trading and investing opportunity both into a
one vault to make it possible for users to just put their money into the work and generate higher
apy through combination of trading opportunity and investing opportunity.
I think this would be really amazing for the users because, as I mentioned, they are looking
for yield, and we believe that combination of trading opportunity with investing opportunity
would generate significantly higher APY at the end for the users.
significantly higher apy at the end for the users and it also helped the whole ecosystem
to work in a more healthy way generating the organic activity organic volume to all
protocols so this is the next biggest step for our ai agent
oh okay we're talking about defy strategies maybe i could maybe me and nev could kind of step for our AI agent. Ooh, okay.
We're talking about DeFi strategies.
Maybe I could, maybe me and Nev could kind of
work with you guys, you know, tell
you guys some different strategies are running. I don't
know. Just throw that out there.
But yeah,
I love to hear that. So you
said swaps are already available.
Coland is already available.
B14G. I don't know if anybody on here saw there's a new b14g vault for wbtc that's earning like eight or nine percent right
now so you guys are integrated b14g that's awesome and then of course the core staking
um yes you guys got the good base there already and now just keep expanding to molten volta you know
garden yeah okay i like this i like this to start i like where it's going this is kind of perfect
what about like maybe some nfts going like the cortoshi nfts i don't know
maybe something like that too in the future yeah let's let's keep it still
Let's keep it still, Alpha.
We are working for some great features
on top of Core 2G NFTs,
and we will announce it soon by next week.
Hey, I didn't even know that.
Let's go.
I'm pulling out the Alpha. I could smell it.
I could smell the Alpha.
I knew it was in there somewhere.
And I love what you were saying about
getting users from other chains onto core easy there we go all
right any any other uh i don't know new agent capabilities any other alpha i mean you already
told us about the d5 strats apparently corto issues will be involved is there anything else
i can get out of you yeah it is really interesting to you know see that recently lots of AI products are coming to deploy on
CoreChain because, as I mentioned, from the infrastructure perspective, we already have
everything in Core.
So it is the right time to unlock this great opportunity for users.
I believe that opportunities are kind of you know locked behind
the complexity and you mentioned a very great point you know playing with different 25 protocols
became like a game for us but this is not an interesting game for others this is maybe
interesting for us as a builder as a d DJs that, you know, every morning
woke up, you know, turn on our laptop, go to social media, check what's happening, check Defy Lama,
check different protocols, check bridges, you know. It becomes kind of, you know, interesting game for
us. And again, it is not an interesting game for others we should make it easy for them and this
is why recently lots of ai agent protocol decided to come to their core chain because we can unlock
great opportunity for the users and it is the right time to unlock it yes sir yes sir and yeah i like what you said about um the infrastructure on core being there
and i think that's a big part of you know what some people have been missing with core season
um you know i don't know i feel like like meme coins have kind of destroyed everyone's brain
where everyone's like oh where's the thousand x meme coin like everyone's focused on the now
but it's like the infrastructure core
has gotten built out so well over these last two months with you know ai agents like with you and
with dude with garden finance making it easy to bring bitcoin on we got the bitcoin liquidity
layer with molten now you could easily swap bitcoin tokens we got a ledger availability
for staking now you can stake from your hardware wallet for the first time ever.
We've got all these different things, Volta, RWA, NFTs. This is the full ecosystem getting built out, the full Bitcoin ecosystem getting built out in front of our eyes. And so core season has just
really made it clear. The future is clear. It's clear where we're going. And now seeing today with this London stock exchange,
adding the core Bitcoin staking ETP, like it's just clear, we just got to keep building this up,
keep expanding core, opening up opportunities for everybody. And, you know, everything else
will just fall into place. So yeah, the infrastructure is there. It's super exciting
times. And I'd love to talk more about Bitcoin DeFi so ali are you a big bitcoin defy guy and and
dude what are your thoughts i mean you're you're writing the bitcoin defy space too
so what do you guys uh see with the growth of bitcoin defy as builders actually in the space
yeah as bitcoin uh you know i think bitcoin is preparing this is my personal idea, I think Bitcoin is preparing to hit another near all-time high.
So as Bitcoin going to be a kind of store of value for the mass adoptions,
so this became more interesting for users to how to, you know, put their Bitcoin into the work.
So as you already mentioned, I think there are lots of great opportunity in the futures
because lots of Bitcoin holders are deciding or are decided to still keep their Bitcoin.
Bitcoin truly become kind of, you know know a store of value asset for the
users so most of the users are not looking to maybe sell it buy it on the deep to kind of that
they are going to hold it for a long term so making it possible for them to come and earn yield while holding their
bitcoin on their own wallet without any risk of the custody would be really great and this is what
I mentioned about infrastructure we already have all the related infrastructures and course isn't truly just behind the corner.
Yeah, exactly.
And dude, I know you said you're not like a Bitcoin max or anything, but as someone with like the biggest bridge in Bitcoin DeFi, what are your thoughts just seeing all
these Bitcoiners want to bridge over to DeFi?
Yep.
I have a very simple thought process.
There is no DeFi without Bitcoin.
It doesn't make any sense.
It's the biggest asset.
It literally probably amounts to, I don't don't know 40 50 percent of the market like
if you remove stable coins at least if you remove stable because it's even more so there is no
concept of defy like you know without bitcoin getting involved it will be involved in any
kind of ways and any project trying to build uh systems and applications to make it easier, I think will always work.
It's just a time, I think.
BTC5, I feel, is still a bit young.
We started maybe one and a half-ish years ago when BTC5 started picking up.
I think we are in for another year-ish.
Like Ali was saying, we are getting close to another ATH for Bitcoin.
I think this has been a very good bull market for Bitcoin.
We're getting institutional folks interested in it.
A lot of people buying and putting Bitcoin into their balance sheets.
So, definitely a great time.
I think we are yet to see the best of BTC5,
like Bitcoin DeFi apps.
I think they're still coming.
So yeah, super excited for the next year, year and a half.
Yeah, yeah.
And that's the main thing right there
where it doesn't make sense for Bitcoin to not be in DeFi.
I mean, Bitcoin is
the largest asset. Bitcoin is the hardest asset in the world. It's the best money that humans
have ever created. Come on, what do you think the future of DeFi is going to be? Bitcoin DeFi is
new, but it's just obvious where this is going. So yeah, I always love to hear someone else come on
and agree with the same thesis. And Spring, let's talk a little bit about the news that came out
today. The core Bitcoin staking ETP has now been listed on the London Stock Exchange. So this is
actually, this is massive. I didn't know this was happening at all. For those who don't know,
there is an ETP, which is an exchange traded product similar to an ETF that was launched like almost a year ago by Valor, which is a subsidiary of DeFi Technologies.
And they generate the yield for this Bitcoin staking ETP, obviously through core.
And they package it in this institutional product that was on like some European stock exchanges that institutions
could buy into to get that Bitcoin staking yield first ever in the world. Now, a little under a
year later, that ETP is being listed on the London Stock Exchange, which is one of the biggest
markets in the world. So yeah, about 70 million people were just given access to Coors Bitcoin Yield.
And so that's what we talk about all the time on this show, on the Coors Season Space, on everything.
We just got to get Bitcoin Yield access into more people's hands.
Everybody wants it.
Nobody wants to take principal risk to their Bitcoin.
We just need to get all these different wrappers, whether that's ATPss or liquid staking tokens or, you know, for
every kind of user, you click a button on your phone and it does it, whatever it is. So just
building that out every single day, watching these things fall into place. I mean, this is how we do
it. This is how we make core the center of the Bitcoin economy. This is how we bring Bitcoin
to actually earn, not just sit as a pet rock. Yeah, so I was so excited waking up and seeing this info.
Spring, I don't know if you got any thoughts too, man.
I'm just excited.
You and me both, man.
I didn't see this one coming.
And the fact that it's on the London Stock Exchange is kind of like a precedent.
So within Europe, at least, this should be getting interesting.
Because if it's in London possible, why wouldn't it be in amsterdam or in germany um and so on so so it's kind of like the first the first step has been set and i think the
first step is always the hardest to go from zero to one is the toughest thing to do um and from
there growing it out further it's a matter of time um a lot of people there they're currently of
course sitting in alts and all that other stuff
um and there is money to be made but on the long run as well bitcoin yield just makes sense
it it's the most obvious move to make given that we are all here as well believing in bitcoin and
without bitcoin there wouldn't even be crypto so yield yield on that product seems like the most obvious choice.
Yeah, yeah, exactly. And, you know, things just change so fast in crypto. Like,
if you guys have seen these Bitcoin treasury companies, now there's these
ETH treasury companies, and the institutions are seeing them and they're like, oh, the ETH
treasury companies earn the staking yield. Like, you know, the Bitcoin treasury companies don't.
So now the institutions are thinking about staking yield and they want to earn that on Bitcoin.
And, you know, I'm sure the U.S. will have like Ethereum staking ETFs, Solana staking ETFs.
So then if the London Stock Exchange already has the Bitcoin staking ETPs, I mean,
you know,
I don't know.
Literally,
I don't have any info about where this is going,
but I mean,
come on.
I'm hoping it's available in the U S like within the year.
That would be amazing.
And just,
yeah,
get it available across the world.
Now that it's in the London stock exchange,
we'll just keep going from here.
Like it's set the present.
Every country now wants to be ahead on crypto.
They all believe in it. Now things have changed up over the last year so yeah i mean i'm bullish man i'm feeling good
no cap same man same and honestly it couldn't come at a better time especially as we will be
representing at kbw and of course a token so if anyone in the audience is going to be there as
well you guys can talk to the team there i the audience is going to be there as well,
you guys can talk to the team there.
I think Rich is going to be there as well, so you can chat with him at Token.
I believe we have three people at KBW, right, Dylan?
Yeah, yeah.
We got, I think, maybe even more than three.
We got some people at Korea Blockchain Week.
We got a ton of people going to Token 2049.
So yeah, if you guys are at any of those events,
yeah, pull up to the Core booth,
ask any questions, or just talk Bitcoin
DeFi. They'll be happy
to share.
But yeah, I mean, thank you
everybody. We're about to wrap up.
It's almost noon, my time.
Thank you to everybody in the audience
for coming. Best community in crypto.
We got the Core Toshis. We always got a PAX house
here. Ali, dude, thank you guys for coming. Preaching your crypto. We got the Kortoshis. We always got a PAX house here. Ali, dude,
thank you guys for coming. Preaching your
knowledge. I love your projects.
I use them all the time.
I'm going to get my friends to use them because
they're so easy to use and it's going to be
easy to get my friends on boarded to DeFi.
And, you know, let's just keep building
out the future of Bitcoin and DeFi together.
Let's keep it going. Let's keep
shipping. Keep believing in the mission. and any last words fellas before we sign off
just use core
yeah i got nothing have a nice day guys
yeah it's always a pleasure honestly to be here with you and our lovely community.
Have a nice day.
Keep building and keep exploring the amazing opportunities on core.
Yes, sir.
And yeah, the last thing I just leave off is, guys, think long term.
You see where this is going.
Bitcoin DeFi is the most obvious play.
We're going to keep expanding Bitcoin DeFi to the entire world.
You're watching it happen in real time.
We're going to keep getting more AI on core,
keep getting easier ways to get Bitcoin on core.
These builders are going to keep building out their products.
They're even better.
I mean, come on.
We see where this is going.
Just stick to the script, people.
Don't overthink it.
Yeah, thank you guys all for coming here.
See you guys all in next week's space or in two weeks.
Hope everybody has a great Thursday and then great weekend.
All right.
Just use core.
Stake your Bitcoin.
Stake your core.
Peace, everybody.
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