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MUGA (Make Utility Great Again) Spaces.
Recorded: May 7, 2025 Duration: 1:13:49Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic discussion, crypto enthusiasts explored the latest trends and innovations in the blockchain space, highlighting new project launches, strategic partnerships, and the importance of utility in driving growth. Key topics included the launch of innovative gaming projects, the significance of collaboration among crypto entities, and the evolving landscape of token economics.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Guys, we will start in a couple of seconds.
All right, everybody sound check, please.
Can you hear me, mate?
Yes, yes.
Yes, we can.
Everybody can hear me?
Beautiful, beautiful.
I just want to make sure that we have Arena of Faith and Pixel Heroes Adventure 3.
Oh, there you are.
Okay.
One moment.
I'm just going to invite you as a speaker now.
Make sure we've got all of our speakers going on.
Okay. our speakers going on
all right Sri you accept the invites and look it's great to have everybody and welcome to the third muggerger Spaces. And wherever you are today,
good morning, evening, and afternoon.
I hope you're all well.
It's been a pretty busy day here in crypto land,
and we're thrilled to have everybody.
And I think for those of you that don't know,
the mission of Mugger is to lift up creators,
communities, and founders,
and to thrive in the cryptoburst.
It's pretty difficult to grind, do a good job here. There's lots of issues with
scams, rug pulls, you name it and that's our mission. It's to drain the swamp and
it's to make utility great again. So for those of you who don't know, my name is
Mark. I'm the host and I've got my co-host Prestige here too. I'm also the
Chief Business Officer of the show's sponsor, Neural AI,
the current king of AI gaming utility.
So thank you to Neural.
Thank you to Chris and the team for sponsoring the show.
You know, we're all absolute passionate crusaders for utility here.
The goal of Mugger is to rise together,
to take the battle to the rug pullers
and take the hallow turf of the crypto verse back.
It's that simple. It's a battle
cry. That's the reason Mugger is what
it is. It's about going to battle. It's about lifting
people up, uniting them, and
having the Web3 arena become what it
can be. So let's drain the swamp
together, everybody.
For those of you who don't know, Neural AI.
We're powering the next era
of AI-generated gaming,
democratizing access to game development
for our suite of tools game engine plugins culminating in our soon-to-be new release of
world engine which you're probably all going to hear a lot about over the next month and we're
absolutely thrilled to showcase that further indeed our founder Chris was supposed to be on
the show today but he's such a soldier of utility that he's gotten the flu from
all the meetings he's had in Dubai so we wish him a quick recovery and he will be back on the show
very soon but fortune favors the brave so we've got merch minter on and today they've stepped up
last minute to the show and they're going to be talking to us a little bit about what they're
doing and we've also set up a great strategic adventure with them so the format for the show and they're going to be talking to us a little bit about what they're doing and we've also set up a great strategic adventure with them so the format for the show today as usual
will be about six to eight minutes with each speaker um i'll throw in the odd question um to
keep it fluid and keep it moving then we'll move to the next speaker we've got five today so uh i
guess you guys must like us we started with three we, we've got four, today's five, and I've got about 50 people that have applied to be on our next basis.
So look, we salute you all, Mugger Army. We're happy that we're delivering something which is needed.
So without further ado, I'm going to hand you over to our very first speaker, which is Vinny from Sync.
Are you there, Vinny?
Yeah. which is Vinny from SYNC. Are you there Vinny?
You have to unmute yourself man. yep well me yeah here he is mate how you doing goodbye yourself very good look it's uh it's
great to have you um fellow fellow i'm british british australian but a good aussie on the
show i think it's uh you are to know mate um yes so um sorry it's three o'clock in the morning
here mate so i might be a little bit slow an absolute bloody soldier mate that's what you
call a real soldier for the cause we love it we love it we do what we do mate
so i'll hand it over to you now to just introduce Sync,
talk about your utility, talk about, you know,
I guess the reason you're on the show.
I'll throw a few questions your way.
And you have the stage, my friend.
Beautiful, mate.
First and foremost, I love what you're doing here, man.
So it's good to see someone uniting the utilities together
and sort of bringing that mindshare back.
I'll introduce myself.
I'm Chens.
I work on the business development and marketing for Sync.
Our team is comprised of myself, our founder and dev, and Wicked community support group.
What Sync's built is essentially a decentralized operating system that works as seamlessly
as a browser.
Within this infrastructure, you're housed with containerized architecture, so every application
opens in... first
it looks like we just lost you then mate you still there
oh yep sorry mate the mic keeps cutting out for some reason no you're okay mate you're okay
but uh i don't know where I got to.
So within the application, we have Think Hub,
which is similar to your Apple Store for your iOS.
It comes with privacy-based applications,
soon to have SyncSwap coming out,
which I think a few people here would be familiar with.
If not, SyncSwap sort of is going to be the house
of an aggregator, private cross-chain swaps, atomic swaps, you name it. We're going to have
a gamified feature within this, which is still under wraps. I think that'll be absolutely
astonishing. So Sync's sort of aim is to house all web three applications within its infrastructure,
which boasts security and anonymity when browsing online.
That's super exciting, mate.
I think there's a lot more of those applications which are needed.
I know you're a very collaborative guy, very collaborative company.
You're working for a few other companies that I know.
And it's interesting, right?
We live in a world where privacy is almost forgotten or not cared about and certain legislations which are coming in or
supposed to come in you know such as the the mica privacy in 2027 we'll see that ends up but
as an example what does that make you guys feel it makes you feel probably that you're on the
right track with your product right that they're trying to stamp it out but you know that the
people need it exactly right and I think that's S Sync's mission is to make it as seamless as
possible. So if you're used to using your traditional browser, you can jump across,
sign in through one sign in, and you're within the infrastructure of Sync. From there,
if you're a project or a developer, you can apply to build within sync and have your application listed.
So it's quite a seamless integration.
So like I said, our mission is to combine all of Web3 in a safe environment.
Excellent, excellent.
And who do you perceive as some of your biggest competitions or moderately close to yourselves
and how do you feel you're going to tackle that challenge?
Currently, there's not a lot of people trying to do this.
I know that there's some up-and-coming projects
that are working on similar stuff,
but nothing sort of uses the architecture that Sync does.
So as for competitors, I think we're sort of in a lone market here
as we sort of aim to cover just about every narrative in-house as well.
We'll have AI agents,
DeFi applications, privacy applications, you name it. Sync's going to build it.
Now, that's really exciting. I know we spoke on our call. You were talking a little bit about your product roadmap. So what does the journey ahead look like for Sync in the coming months?
the journey ahead look like for Sync in the coming months?
At the moment, we'll have the Sync swap release very shortly.
From there, we're going to see a lot of infrastructure upgrades.
We're going to see a new roadmap drop.
Probably have the UI on the website sort of updated
with all the latest stuff, all the basic sort of stuff
and a lot more applications rolling out, partnerships,
all that sort of good stuff.
Excellent, excellent. And look, one of the things i like about you guys as well is your
willingness to to collaborate i think i think that talks about you know a real business a mature
minded business and i think the way you're approaching it you know it has a lot of
similarities with web2 you know one of the big things we're trying to do here is to really
mature this industry um take it from being somewhat embryonic and immature and try and grow it up a little bit
mature it get product market fit for a lot more people and then hopefully eventually web two and
web three mergers and all the great innovators you know in in crypto are able to prosper and
so the users so the communities that's good to hear it it's good to hear that
from like-minded people um there's not a lot of people with that mentality in this space currently
so uh it's it's always good to have that re-affirmation and why do you think that is mate
do you think i mean you've been in the game for a long time when we spoke you told me you've been
in it longer than me you know so what why do you think that is and do you think it is evolving
uh i do i do um we always sort of hit the euphoria stage in the market where just about everything So why do you think that is and do you think it is evolving? I do.
We always sort of hit the euphoria stage in the market where just about everything has value.
And it's always the stuff that's entertaining that sort of takes the stage.
As we see a decline in that sort of gambling habit, I think we'll see a return to utilities because obviously these are the backbones of crypto as a whole.
They're building the infrastructure from deep in to privacy to AI to gaming.
You know, it's all about working in an alliance together and sort of rising up as one and not sort of letting anything fall asleep.
And how would you describe what utility is to somebody in the
audience or listening to a recording later of what that actually is number one and perhaps what that
means in crypto a utility well it's got to be utilized really so you've got to have a value
proposition that people are going to work work with um you know uh there's a lot of great
applications out there but some don't really need a token with them it's just it's very hard to narrow down to a broad spectrum but utility is something I see
as people using in everyday web 3. Excellent excellent and you know you've got the audience
right now and you've got some other great projects on here so what would you sort of say to
some of the projects we've got here in the audience is there anything you'd want to ask them um and then we'll probably hand it over to the next speaker mate um no it's just good to
see everyone here um it's good to see everyone building regardless of the conditions of the
market i know they're not favorable but um everyone shows up they're still working with
the dream so um it's good to see uh projects in the space rising up and still going so
congratulations to everyone here.
That's great, mate.
And look, what we'll do is we'll obviously profile you a little bit more after the show.
I think where Mugger's heading to next is we're going to be putting on some different shows as well.
We're going to be launching Mugger Launch, which is incubating newer, smaller businesses, Mugger KOL spaces, Mugger Tank,ger tank and a mugger creator so we're looking
to grow these spaces we're looking to unite many many people from all around the world with
different products different services um no so look we really appreciate you coming on the show
especially at 3 a.m in the morning so absolute soldier mate and we will we will hand it over
to the next speaker and we'll come back to you at the end because there might be a few specific
questions for you if you can stay awake.
But, you know, just turn the mic off and no snoring, please.
Thank you, mate. Thank you.
All right, then we will hand it over now to Merch Minter, who have, you know, popped on today.
It's great to see you. you for stepping in um last minute we we appreciate you and i'm sure your community yeah and the audience will and they're gonna
love to hear what you're doing yeah so we had the pleasure before uh this morning and uh we stepped
in um spontaneously yeah so we are made merch minter we launched uh two weeks ago. We have a simple solution for meme coin creators, crypto startups,
web3 agencies, designers, etc. to create a buzz and grow their community by supplying merch to them.
You can just upload your designs to our platform, choose which project you like, which color you like, which sizes, pricing, and then you can upload your designs directly to Amazon for sales of your merch.
You need to ship it.
There's no returns.
You just need to take care of your designs and that's it.
The rest is up to us.
You know, when we spoke this morning,
when I heard a bit about your background,
you know, your wholesale background,
your great knowledge of retail,
it's important to note and let the audience know
that this is very very
innovative because you know if you if you took a case of for example neural right now we've been
talking about getting merch for a while you've got a lot of work to get that done you've got to
design it put logos together then you've got to find a supplier you've got to worry about can they
deliver on time can they deliver all around the world and can that whole workflow and be executed
and executed properly with minimal downtime not losing time or money and you know I'll just say
right now everybody I was amazed when we spoke this morning about the ease of use everything is
about is it going to be easy for us business owners with communities that want to build a brand to get merch to our people.
And I've not seen anything as simple, as innovative as what you've created.
So could you maybe talk to me and the audience a little bit about your business model
and how that's also another big feather in the cap?
So our business model is we give the opportunity to create merch for everyone,
for every single meme coin or utility call, whatever.
Did you say meme coins on the utility show?
Sorry, sorry.
I'm just kidding, man.
Erase that.
Yeah, so it's it's very very simple you you will take about two minutes to create your own
design or better upload your design we don't have a design creator right now in inside our software
but you upload your design and then you are ready to go nearly it takes about if you are if you've done it once before it takes not
even two minutes to do it again and be online no i mean look that's outstanding so in essence what
you what what you do is you do you also give people um the ability to change their designs
as well and take some creative um authority over it and and what happens if they don't like it
some creative authority over it and what happens if they don't like it?
Yeah, we got some partnerships or what means we got some partnerships.
We got a lot of partnerships by now and we also do personalized designs for our partners
to let them use it later for their own purpose.
Excellent.
And from what I can tell,
you've got quite a broad range of products and merchandise.
Could you just tell the audience?
Because when I think merch, I might just be old school.
I think slap something on a T-shirt, baseball cap,
Bob's your uncle, Fanny, your aunt, job done sort of thing.
But when I saw your sort of product line i was you know i was really quite surprised at the depth of it you
know so yeah the only the only uh thing we cannot supply are caps right now that's uh not possible
but we got everything from t-shirts hoodies um tumb, mugs should be available soon, pillows.
So, yeah, we got a lot going on right now.
Excellent.
And from what I can tell, this is what I love about some of the projects we're getting on the Mugger Spaces,
is there's real- real world utility outside of
just web3 right so this is a this is a business which is web3 web2 and ultimately merging the two
together and if everything goes well yeah so we we set up the merger coin on 21st of april
it was launched through spark starter and this combines the best of all worlds.
So we have a voting system for holders to vote on new developments.
And we also have a revenue share implemented into it. So 50% of all revenue generated on our platform goes to the revenue share in this supplied
weighted time held to supply held. Excellent. And look, for everybody that hasn't had a chance to
look at MerchMinter, their website um that chart where they're at um
they've had you know very very uh big moves in the first two weeks um of the launch it's quite
quite abnormal i know they've got a lot of people around them you know a lot of kols so what do you
attribute that um that success to pardon what do you attribute the success of how you've managed to get so many people around your project already?
We are in unicorn.
So, yeah, it's unique.
There's never been something like that in the space by now.
And it's going to take some time to have somebody or even try to do it again because it needs a lot
of time to prepare everything to raise or to to grow accounts to this level to even supply those
numbers i love that answer it's bullish it's confident but it's somebody that has a back
history of business it's somebody that's researched this thoroughly it's somebody that has a back history of business it's somebody that's
researched this thoroughly it's somebody that's found an absolute utility and is able to put a
moat around it protect it and um you know get this thing moving really quick and that's really what
we're trying to do here um at mugger we're trying to bring on great projects like this um unite them
with others give them a route to market a quick path to commercialization, and just celebrate real businesses.
So, you know, look, I think it's a great business.
Obviously, you know, Mugger, Neural, and yourselves are going to partner.
We put out a partnership announcement earlier.
So do you want to maybe talk to that a little bit
and then mention some other partnerships you would love to get,
if there's anybody listening i didn't get it completely sorry no that's okay i said um if you'd like to you know
um describe that partnership a little bit between mug and neural and yourselves and then if there's
anybody listening that might be your target customer you know what would you say to them
and then we're going to get it over to the next speaker so maybe Dennis our founders also listening maybe he got
another word to say I don't know oh Dennis is here okay I don't know if he's
got speaker permissions does Dennis have speaker permissions or so beside
that so we made like you said before we made a partnership today
so we're gonna be the um official uh merch supporter or merch supplier for mooga
um the exclusive one we have um we gonna uh supply much also to all of your partners if they want to and you are our brand
ambassador absolutely and look it's a privilege and an honor right for to work with such a business
right i'm all about innovation i'm all about utility but i love to connect people i love to
move fast you know i like to get the job done and you know it's about executing and
out running your competition and you know the mugger show has only been alive for the third
week and we're very grateful to our audience but hopefully people are seeing that the perfect storm
is brewing in the cryptoverse where we need to stand up we need to be counted and we need to
get the mind share and liquidity back away from the ruggers the meme coins and the scammers so
look may we really appreciate you coming on today at such short notice and congratulations
with the great project success. And if you just sit back and wait, there might be some questions
at the end. I'm going to get it over to the next speaker. Sure. Okay. Perfect. Thank you. Thank
you very much, mate. man all right we'll hand
it over now and to do in protocol and I think we've got Oli over here yes hello
hello everyone hello are you great to have you mate wait to have you thanks
for making the time oh it's a pleasure it's a pleasure thanks thanks everyone
for joining us I just want to say a quick word about how cool this this space this show is so thanks every single one of
the guests and the listeners joining us and let's have a good time together
amen amen I love that I'm upset tell us a little bit about you know the own
protocol you know what you're doing the good the bad and the ugly, you know, it's real. It's real talk. It's real business here, you know
Love that love that. Absolutely. So just as an introduction, my name is Oli. I'm the CEO of Dione protocol
so in an essence Dione protocol is
A collection of tools. I believe I would describe it like that
Our first like big thing is odyssey we are
layer one okay now what makes us unique is that we aim to actually use renewable energy to really
like make the chain works even the validator are using solar energy and starling connections so it it basically use like green energy and on top of
that it assure you 100 uptime um whatever what right whatever what happened whatever's happening
uh so that's for our validator which is called orion odyssey is the chain and then on top of
that we have like special and unique tools like Amara, which is actually the first perpetual DEX for trading renewable assets, digital renewable assets, REC.
And we also have a token launcher, token creator, better say, that is still in the works but is it will be on the mainnet
very soon we have Osma crypto education platform that has nothing to do per se
with odyssey itself it gives you the option to deploy a token at the end this
is a free app so basically everyone really interested about education crypto
can download the app follow the courses and have a
proper education and and that's I think this is a pretty good introduction I think I think that was
pretty good you know it's a good good summary you've got some interesting products I know you've
got some interesting launches coming up and you know I guess guess what piques my attention there
is a token launcher right so obviously there's quite a lot of token launches in up and I guess guess what piqued my attention there is a token launcher right so
obviously there's quite a lot of token launches in crypto am I correct to assume that yours is
different because you're going to try and focus on the renewable energy aspects of things and
products and projects like that or am I completely wrong tell me a bit more about that if you can
yeah I mean you you're right and you're wrong so let me tell you what but basically if if
we are talking about adoption and utilities we are also talking about retails um like you can have
some particular professionals but really i i believe that all the people here in this this
space really believe that where the money is it's really like the big retail right and nowadays
when you talk about like to businesses and retails about crypto they are like oh you don't
tell this scam thing to me i don't know anything about that right so it's kind of it kind of give
you this feeling right um so basically i will talk about the token creator in a little
bit okay but I want to justify my answer here so having us as a blockchain
really focused on green energy and renewable assets we want to be that
bridge between electric companies and utilities and using the blockchain
certifying that it's absolutely green they're using their
solar panels their equipment and they can adopt it easily right so that's that's the part of them
actually being green and actually it's it's good everyone at their house if they have solar panels
they can be a validator talk about that and like present this to businesses now we are very early about the crypto
and this is for another discussion about adoption overall but the token creator
part you can actually basically you can if you want to really be energy focused
you can do it for sure but the goal of the token creator is to of course as the
name state to launch your token.
But it will also give you all the tools to manage your token properly.
So we're talking about taxes.
We're talking about deploying the contract with blacklisting or not. We are talking about all those features in a smart contract
that will take a little bit of knowledge.
And this launching part is all focused into one tool.
Nice. It's taking the thinking out of it i like it yeah we just want two clicks it's like open the link deploy that's it okay so you
don't even need a wallet to begin the process actually um well and i and i think that's one of
the biggest challenges well pump fun obviously made it quite easy, but we won't speak about them. They're sort of banned from the mugger spaces.
We want utility here, right?
But there's obviously a way for you to build these things in,
and that's what we're about here.
That's why we're going to launch the mugger launch spaces,
because new devs, new creators that come into the cryptoverse,
they want to build something, right?
But they don't
know how to navigate it they don't know how to pull the people the services the resources together
and you know it's hard for them right i like what you're creating here because it's almost
democratizing access to that you don't need to be a coder you don't need to be a dev you know it's
great i mean the journey but basically there is like a proper journey to really launch the token.
So assuming the person, this dev, really wants to be educated on crypto,
he will download Osma, which is a free app again.
I'm telling you all, you guys.
Okay.
So this app actually teach you the fundamentals of crypto.
Then after that, the second step is the token creator.
But wait for that, wait for it.
You can launch the token, but then there is a solution,
an AI-based solution that will actually monitor your tokens.
So when you reach a certain market cap,
that tool will basically automatically tell you,
hey, you reach that market cap,
it will be good for you to apply to coin market cap
or to coin geek here are the contacts and then you can actually evolve and build with this ai
assistant built into the create tool yes the tool is called create this is like your own personal
guide your ea to navigate exactly beautiful exactly yeah so you just said hey we want the devs to launch we want
the devs to be like properly um i would say coached we have a solution i'm not telling you it's the
best i'm not here to convince anyone i'm just telling you the features that you have a coach
that can actually follow along you your journey to your business which is good i think it is i think it's i think it's it's what's
needed you know i think everybody needs support everybody needs mentoring a coach and ai can play
a very interesting role in that and i think that after the show as well we'll discuss this further
because i think that what you've just described there which you know i wasn't fully aware of to
be honest beforehand we we can do some sort of
partnership with with a line of mugger that we're trying to create so we love to because look it's
about pulling people together uniting them supporting them and what we want to do with
this ecosystem and social movement is create a one-stop shop for everything somebody's going
to need to thrive in the crypto verse so no i i i love it i
love it i mean if you're talking about a partnership with real values just not marketing
partnership online with x saying hey we are partnering blah blah absolutely like this is
exactly what we're building for right mugger so and on our chain i i don't i kind of hate this pvp
chain versus all the chains but let me tell you that we are also
focusing on a grants program so if your project is related to energy we also can give you some
grants to actually kind of boost or supercharge your journey as well for your business which is
always welcome really nice look you've got a really diverse portfolio i remember when i came
into the crypto game,
one of the very first things I invested in, funnily enough, was Energy Web Token.
Okay.
Okay, okay.
So, you know, they were an interesting renewable energy token. They're actually probably one of
the pioneers in the space at EWT, Energy Web, you know. But what I picked up on what you mentioned
earlier, which again is critical, is you're going to have all of these systems working in the background so they're seamlessly integratable.
So then that way you don't have to change people's habits, right?
It can just be working in the background and helping them.
Exactly.
Exactly.
And it's kind of giving the people from Web2 those features on Web3 with the same familiarity and accessibility as web2 like a proper layout
buttons very easy to navigate follow along with a kind of like a support and it's it's all about
i mean it's all about adoption guys and i can see some projects here that i know them
like axoria just want to say hi merch sm meter also i knew about you think of course and
those guys are just creating utilities to bring some value on it the big roadblock is actually
convincing them that hey on web3 we have utility and actually profit all around there was a lot of
advantages just give me your attention right but at the beginning it's like what do you
mean my wallet what do you mean by swapping tokens what do you mean by chains but it so it's a journey
guys but it's a steep learning curve right a very steep exactly exactly but no it's interesting that
you mention um axoria because um neural neural's partner with axorium the next couple of speakers
we've got enough from Web3 Gaming.
So, you know, it's a very interesting,
everybody talks about the big adoption,
global adoption is going to come from gaming, right?
There's 2 billion gamers in the world.
So can we bring Web2 games into Web3?
And that's a topic we'll come to with the next two speakers
and what do game economies and all that good stuff look like.
But you hit the nail on the head. It's how we drive adoption and that has to come through utility and there's many considerations founders have to think about not just what
you know um vinnie said um from sync earlier that utility is usage but in the crypto land
utility is token utility too right so that's obviously very important for investors
100 i mean if you're talking to me about this this can be like a full next episode if you want gaming on web3 it's like a perfect marriage it's like absolutely right web3 was created for gaming
or gaming was created for web3 is one of the one of the teams it's just perfect like rewarding your
players with like instantly no middleman write it to one account so you can actually use it
like kill the monopolies democratize access and make it affordable and make you the ownership
which is web3 team right it's just one word one word, ownership. So yeah, I love that. So hi, Nero.
Nero and I, glad to be here with you
and very excited about what you're saying next.
Now, look, I think we're going to have
some interesting side discussions as well.
So look, what I'm going to do now
is thank you very much for your time today, Oli.
We really appreciate you.
You know, and thank you for your contribution.
So now we're going to, speaking of gaming gaming web3 gaming um i'm going to introduce um three from pixel heroes adventures
next and then we're going to come to arena of faith um at the end and i know it's going to be
a great discussion there about what you mentioned which was game economies because i know that's the
one thing stopping mass adoption of web3 right now. If that can be cracked, the floodgates will be open.
So thank you very much, Oli.
And Sri, over to you, my friend.
How are you?
Yeah.
Hi, Mark.
I'm doing good.
It's great to have you.
Thanks for the invite because it's been, you know,
listening to these people.
It is, I'm happy listening to these people.
It's a good feeling, actually.
You know, this is what I feel, right?
Like, you know, within the Web3 space, this meme coins and all this stuff is taking the
friend seat these days.
All the utility tokens are taking taxid. Personally, I found this because I came
from this Web3 gaming thing because people are being very critical about these
game tokens, Web3 game tokens. They would rather spend money on speculations of a meme coin,
money on speculations of a meme coin, but they can't tolerate a utility token or a Web3
gaming token having 1% less utility, they'll be there to criticize and pull you down.
I'm not saying this is the toxic space that we are in in in web 3 but yeah you know we
you know that utility is very important in the way
points and they'll say
i'm just losing you a little bit
i'm just i am just losing you
yeah it was a little bit have you moved position it's a little bit
jumpy
yeah that's think that's better. That's better.
That's worse now, mate.
That's worse.
That sounds like C-3PO from Star Wars.
Excuse the joke.
Have we got you back?
Uh-oh.
I think it's bugging out on you, mate.
All right, audience, we will wait a little bit for Sri to come back.
But, you know, he's probably going to...
There you are, mate. That's much better.
Wherever you were then, stay still.
Well, everybody, until we get Sri back,
you know, the valid point about Web3 gaming there is that I think we have to sort out the gaming economies, number one.
But number two, you've got a big divide between Web2 gamers and Web3, right?
But that's often protectionist in nature, right? right many many industries when they're about to go through rapid growth people um from the old
guard will protect their turf and they won't want the new wave of innovation um to come in and that's
one of the reasons i love working with neural um and a shameless plug here because i'm obviously
their chief business officer but what we're about to pioneer with world engine um you know you're
talking about an ai-led game engine for the first time and it's
going to be an incredibly exciting month or two for neural so i'm just putting that little plug
in because chris chris would like that on his deathbed wherever he is so that one's that one's
for you boss um sri do we have you back i guess so is it better better now? There you are. Stay there. Do not move.
Do not move.
So I was telling that when you look at these retail investors,
they look at these meme coins and stuff and then they say,
straight out say crypto is a scam.
So we need to voice out and we need to push these utility tokens
so that they know that crypto is not a scam, but it actually
has a use case.
You sound like our next salesperson for Muga.
I love it.
That's what I was saying, right?
It's always great to have people like you guys you guys Muga or anyone who is you know
watching out the utility tokens and I'm happy to be part of this yeah we're happy to have you now
so tell me you're also a very modest guy so tell me about the great community and you know pixel
heroes adventure tell me tell the audience sing it from the rooftops about what
you're doing and we can celebrate some some web 3 gaming now so uh we are uh you know pixel heroes
adventure is a mobile game we are mobile focused we are not available on any pc
any other platform we are available only on Android and Apple Store.
So our focus, we position ourselves as Web 2.5 game
because we want to be the bridge between Web 2 and Web 3.
To say this, back in 2024, at the end of the year,
when we look at the numbers, we saw 30,000 more people playing the game who have not got the valets.
We are basically focused on the Southeast Asia market.
So we know a lot of our players.
They found out the game in the Play Store.
They start out as just a regular Web 2, you know, player, and then they got onboarded into the Web 3.
So we are trying to simplify as much as possible for the Web 2 users, even if they don't have any Web 3 knowledge, they can just start off the game, they can play and enjoy the game.
They can just start off the game, they can play and enjoy the game.
And if for any chance, like, you know, if they love the game and they want to explore this gamified aspect of the game,
they can, you know, learn more about Web3 and then they can get onboarded.
Also, I would like to say, like, you know, when we talk about utility, I personally, you know, being a, you know, a Web3 gaming project, I personally look into NFT utility as well.
Most of us, not most of us, all of our NFTs has the utility.
We have, like, you know, different collections.
Everything is integrated with the game and every single NFT has its own purpose.
And we are, you know, about to launch land gameplay as well.
We have minted out lands recently, two months back.
And then we are introducing, so we are introducing the gameplay as well.
So that's what, right?
Utility, when we see utility, it's not just tokens.
It's not just like, you know, you have
the governance token and you
give a bunch of utility to it.
That's not how it ends,
right? We have
NFT tokens.
We need to give utility
to those tokens as well.
At game project,
we are not here to build a pfp community
or meme coin community so you know in our case we need to give utility to everything if we missed out
a single utility aspect they'll come hitting you uh very Well, that is very hard to do.
That is very hard to do in the gaming ecosystem.
So I think hats off to you.
I mean, it's part of the, you know, genre, right?
You know, it's okay if they come hard at you,
give you the critical feedback and, you know, all those things,
but they'll scam up.
So, you know, we take all those things, but they'll so, you know,
we take all these things, but we keep building,
we keep, you know, looking for opportunities
to grow and, you know, grow the ecosystem and everything.
And, you know, that's why
I like this space, right?
It's like there are someone who is, you know,
giving the voice to this utility
hardships i would say so yeah yeah i like your i like your attitude you got a very commercial
head on your shoulders you know and i think part of the mugger spaces as well as to have
you know people like yourself on because there's always emerging games you know there's new devs
there's plenty of pre-alpha games in the pipeline i think you know i want to see the spaces evolve into an area of support connection
you know get get an old guard of minds you know yourselves arena of faith there's a lot of
knowledge bubbling around and part of the vision is to be able to then you know hook that up into
new up-and-comers that are passionate about you know games, and so on and so forth. And I think that probably one
of the big things for gaming is, you know, adopting AI, right? So I speak to a lot of studios,
indie studios, in web three, and we're starting with neural to move into the web two space.
You know, people, I think people that adopt it early are going to do well, people that sit back
and wait forever, they're in trouble, right? So could you tell me a little bit about what your sort of strategy is for embracing AI and gaming?
You know, I think we have spoken about AI previously as well. What I feel about AI is that,
you know, within this web3 space, particularly in gaming space, people are not willing to wait for longer period of time.
If we were to introduce a future, for example, we were talking about the LAN gameplay.
To introduce that teacher, we took almost two and a half months.
So we had to have an artist who will draw all those things and, you know, to integrate stuff.
But with AI, that hassle, that time taking will reduce drastically.
Absolutely.
And, you know, that is where, you know, we give AI, you know, the reference, you know, assets.
It can generate, you know, multiple assets and we can choose and integrate
quickly because this this this will reduce time of our you know uh individual artists uh you know
artists drawing everything individually uh you know this is where you know i feel is a is very
helpful and second thing i think is you know np We have NPC characters in the game. Introducing AI to those NPCs would make interactions much more smoother, much more engaging, I would feel.
smoother, much more engaging, I would feel.
So, yeah, these two things I think of when I think about AI
within gaming, these two things I think of.
Absolutely.
No, absolutely.
And I think, you know, one of the big things,
and we'll come to, I think, with Arena of Faith next
is gaming economies as well, you know.
So I think you're bang on with AI.
I think it's all about where can AI first entrench itself in the workflows of game designers can we get automated stylized assets right how do
we um bridge make it easier but i think the first thing we've got to do is convince some of the art
directors the designers and that is going to happen it just takes a little bit of time but i
think the future for not just ai gaming but web 3 gaming is very bright so look
Sri thank you very much you know for your time we'll come back to you at the end with a final
closing statement but we really appreciate you and I'm going to now hand it over on that note
perfect timing to Arena of Faith so I you have Arena of Faith you're going to have to send me
a I've sent you an invite to speak, so you should see that right now.
I've just invited you again.
So you just have to click on that one,
because right now you're just a listener. Thank you. So if you look at the sort of people icon next to the mic, you should see an invite
to become a speaker.
Can we repeat the real question? How do you hear me?
Oh sorry mate, yeah I'm just trying to get Arena of Faith on right now, just
just give me one moment Hello there, how are you?
Yeah, I'm good right now and thanks for the invitation.
Oh, no problem.
Yeah, I think Neuro also generates 3D worlds, right?
And we are building 3D games, so I think maybe we have some cooperation in near future maybe yeah i think i look i think
that would be exciting you know and i think like like part of part of a show is really to foster
firstly relationship and then be able to see if there's potential partnerships right i mean
nobody wants car sales people or hard sales people first of all i like to get people together
see if there's common ground and you know if the business makes sense to do together.
Yeah, absolutely.
So, no, I would really love to have a detailed chat with you guys.
We had one chat initially, but I think some of the stuff that's in our pipeline can map very well to yourselves.
And, you know, for those people out there in the audience that don't know Arena of Faith,
they've built an incredible community, a very, very large business.
And I think, obviously, a very, very large business.
And I think obviously they're being very strategic now looking at AI.
So if you'd like to just sort of introduce yourself quickly,
you know, give me the lowdown on Arena of Faith, what you're doing,
why you're unique, and then I'm probably going to throw a few questions at you.
But it's great to have you on the show.
Yeah, thanks so much.
So I'm Heason, CEO of Arena of Faith. And I used to work at Ubisoft since 2009 and start building my own game company since 2018. And actually we also get investment from Tencent at the year 2021 and we changed our direction to Web3 since 2022. And because we have built such a long time period of gaming
and I think we have traditional games,
we have Web3 games,
all these games will be used to build a big ecosystem.
And we have already launched our token called ACP on-gate
and it's quite stable growth recently.
And it's based on the utility of the token, of course.
And I like the topic, make utility great again.
Yeah. So, you know, for Arena of Faith, it's a Valve 3 mobile game.
You can play this game on PC platform and mobile platform.
You know, it's cross platform. PC players can fight with mobile players.
And also we have a global server.
Players from South Asia can fight with players from Europe.
And also, you know, the game is the whole process and settlement are on chain.
Because, you know, in Web 2, we have a technique called lockstep framesync.
And I think it has the Web 3.0 spirit.
And so we use this technique and uh we use proof
of frame sync to make a decentralized settlement in this web3 mobile game and in this way we can
build uh you know esports event uh based on uh different blockchains and also use different
tokens for example if you use IMAX token or
running token to join an esports event,
you can get from the prize pool like
our token and IMAX or running token
from the prize pool.
And also we are looking for partnerships
that if you have your token,
we can integrate your token in our game
and let the users to, you know,
charge the token game and play it in the esports event.
So, you know, in the Web3 gaming, we prefer the users to mint a farming machine and to farm the token.
It's called play to earn, but I think it's not good for the price of token because we, you know...
Couldn't agree more.
We've seen a lot of that happen, haven't we?
Absolutely.
So it can kill the token, you know?
Yeah.
Right.
You're right.
So we changed the mechanism to play to stake.
If you play Arena 5th, you have to mint our hero card.
You play the mobile game.
I mean, multiplayer online battleground arena game.
And after that, you get our token.
One part of the token will go to your internal wallet directly.
And the other part will go to our savings pool.
And we have APR, like 200% APR in this savings pool.
So the users prefer to play the game to stake more tokens
to get more incentives.
That's a brilliant incentive. Jeez, 200%? Yeah, yeah more incentives. That's a brilliant incentive. 200%?
That's phenomenal. And actually, the price pool comes from the users who didn't check in every
day or lose the game. So if you play the game anyway, you will get a high APR because we
In many way, you will get a high APR because we get the tokens from the losers, from the people who do not play the game well.
Yeah. And, you know, with this play to stick strategy, I think our token has a good output because recently it has a very stable growth, the token ACP. And also, you know, we have the Web2 games. For the Web2 games, we have ACT game
like Arena of Ancient Warrior and Arena of Dungeon Challengers. You can check on our website,
auf.global. So for the Web2 games, the users can use our token to buy game assets. And all
these game assets are different from arena 5th because these game assets
are uh you know not nfts but anyway you can use our token to buy these assets and if you play the
game well you get a higher rank in the leaderboard you can also get our incentives and also in this
way we can encourage users to use our referral system to encourage other users to join the Web2 game.
Maybe they can buy our token to pay in the game or use in-app purchase to buy game assets.
So anyway, we get income from the Web2 side and Web3. And at the same time, our token has a new utility to buy the assets in these
Web2 games. And we have around 10 Web2 games ready to launch on the market. And all these
games, you can use our token to buy game assets. So I think it's also a good utility for the games.
Absolutely. I think you're being very modest there so what i know
about gaming you know what you're talking about there is incredibly innovative okay just for the
audience that don't know that that's a real innovation that's real utility that's a company
which is has looked at the game economy and that's really figured out how to do it much better
harder and faster and you know it seems like you've got a great pipeline of games.
And I think that if you know who the investors behind Arena of Faith,
everybody, they've got some big investors.
Do you want to sort of just talk about who your investors are
and why you feel that you've got the edge in game economies
other than what you've just mentioned?
So for the investors, we have support from different layer two blockchain teams, and
we got the investment from Metis, you know, layer two, Ethereum and Immuble and Trunin.
They also give us grant and investment.
And at the same time, we get investment from YGG Global and Mocha.
And also, you know, we used to be a web tool game company. We got an investment from YGG Global and Mocha and also you know we used to be a web2 game
company we got an investment from Tencent before so you know we have good web2 games for the market
and I think it breaks the barrier for the web2 users and web3 users. You know Arena 5th? Arena 5th is
a pure web3 game because we have NFTs. The hero skin NFTs are very expensive for
Web 2 users so we built this mobile game for Web 3 users but for the other games we want to support
Web 2 and Web 3 users at the same time. But anyway you know with all this investor support we
want to make a very big ecosystem and our token ECP will support all the games.
And we also want partnerships and we want you guys token to be integrated in our game
because we want different users to join the ecosystem and play in our esports human.
Yeah.
Nice.
A company which springs to mind, which we do a bit of work with,
is Superverse, right? And then you've got Neo Tokyo, you've got some pretty big gaming people.
And I think, correct me if I'm wrong, but when I was speaking to your head of marketing,
she said that, you know, you're looking to grow considerably across North America and Europe.
Is that what some of your plans are? Yeah, of course. And we have a global server,
but it's a little bit higher ping in Europe.
It's around 200 millisecond maybe.
It's not quite good for the mobile game.
So we want to build a specific server
for Europe and North America users.
Excellent. And just quickly for a final question,
and then we're going to go to the audience
to see if there's any questions.
Apart from what you've just mentioned already,
is there anything else you feel which gives you the edge
and would make it quite hard for anybody
to copy what you're doing?
Yeah, I think we have good quality games
and for the mobile game, I think it's the best
in the web 3 industry because it's cross platform and it has a high quality and good mechanism.
And also, we use Pro for Frame Sync.
So anyway, it's very hard to copy such a big mobile game.
If you play the game, you will see the graphics and the effects are quite good.
We have our own pipeline, graphic pipeline, so we build good games.
And also for the AAA games, I think it's also good quality for Web2 and BATL users.
And yeah, we got our supporters,
like the blockchain teams and different investors.
I think we can continue to build such a big ecosystem
and yeah, more games for the community.
Yeah.
And you see yourselves embracing AI
and enabling that to help with your workflows
to fast track game development?
Yeah, yeah, that's good.
For the 3D games, I think it's very good
to have basic infrastructure or tools
to build all these 3D scenes.
And at the same time, we also use AI
to make an autonomous world.
Like we want to build the eSports event using AI.
Actually, AI can based on the backend data
to build eSports event for the users by AI itself.
And AI can send message and send the details,
the rewards to the users.
I think it's good to build an autonomous world
using such an AI.
Absolutely. Yeah. And you know, talking about autonomous worlds, you know,
keep your eyes peeled for our world engine at Neural, which is coming out in the next couple
of months. And there's definitely going to be some collaborations for ourselves and yourselves,
three Pixel Heroes Adventure and any other, you know, gaming company company which is listening. So look, thank you very much for that great overview,
Arena of Faith.
So what I'm going to do now is I'm going to hand it back
to each founder for a parting comment.
Arturo, I'm not sure we have any questions from the audience.
That's why I'm probably going to go ahead and do that.
From what I can see, it doesn't look like we've got any questions.
We're going to bring it back now to Vinnie in Australia.
I don't know if you're asleep or awake, mate,
but if you're still with us, it must be 4 a.m. there,
and give us a parting comment to the audience
and anybody that listens to the recording, mate,
over to you for your final sort of summary.
Excellent, mate.
I just wanted to say a shout-out to everyone that's joined.
Everyone's sort of doing a phenomenal job building what they specialise in.
A shout-out to yourself as well, Mooga, for putting this all together, mate.
It's a great movement and it's definitely needed in this space.
So anyone that sort of missed a brief about Sync, I'll just run over it quickly. We're a decentralized operating system
that somewhat works like a lightweight browser. So it's housed with some pretty unique infrastructure
and we're building a lot of in-house applications as well as integrations.
Jump over to the socials. You can have a try. The DAP, it's absolutely free at this stage.
And we've got some cool stuff rolling out soon
with SyncSwap and the gamified feature.
Should see some teasers this week.
Thanks for having me, mate.
It's been excellent.
My pleasure, mate.
Yeah, like I said, mate,
you've put something together
that's definitely needed in this space.
So glad to be a part of it.
Oh, mate, we appreciate that, right?
We're trying to raise the Mugger Army. We want to bring people in together and our battle cry is going to
be heard you know we're gathering momentum like i said we're rolling out quite a lot of new stuff
our website's going to go live tomorrow um so there's a lot coming but you know my hope is
eventually to have a list of projects queuing up in the hundreds right now we're doing all right
but just thanks to you early adopting speakers we appreciate you too mate so um thank you very much excellent mate yeah and we'll always
be there to support the movement mate um thank you for having us no my pleasure mate my pleasure
i'll speak you go get some sleep and i'll speak soon cheers about all righty i'll hand it back to
merch minter over to you guys.
Hello.
Hello again, mate. How are you doing?
Yeah, I'm fine. I just cooked some food for my kids.
Very nice. You're juggling a lot, but we appreciate you.
We can hear them in the background, so I'll let you go soon.
But just give us a parting comment, and then we'll let you be on your way back to your kids.
What do you need for comments?
Just a final sign-off.
Whatever you want to say to the audience, you've got your final 30 seconds.
Okay, go to our website, check check our product check the free plan upload
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test us and you will be
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now you go enjoy hopefully a nice steak
dinner some time with the kids and
we will speak to you very soon.
Thank you. Having a great time here.
Thank you, mate. Take care. All the best.
Bye.
All right. Oli, over to you, mate.
Oops, can you hear me now?
Certainly can.
Fantastic. Yeah, I just want to say thank you.
Thank you to you to really
hosting this beautiful egg space. Thanks to everyone that joined us. It was just great
talking with you. It was really good to also really, you know, listen exactly what all the
projects builders have to say. Very excited about what to come. And if you are interested in Dione Protocol,
just give us a follow, check my account, have a look.
And if you're interested, please do not hesitate.
If you have any questions also, yeah, just drop a DM.
But Muga, we keep in touch.
Thank you very much for hosting this.
It was really a pleasure for me.
No, it was our pleasure too, mate.
So we will sidebar about the other discussion as well.
And I think we might be using some of your tech very soon.
Well, that's how everything is about.
It's just about creating relationships, connections,
and making utility great again.
Amen.
Come on.
That's what we're talking about.
Mugga, muga, muga.
Let's go.
All right. So you take care, my friend.
You do, sir. Thank you very much.
All right. Over to Sri. Final comment.
Thanks once again, Mark, for the invite.
My pleasure. And I would say Web3 Space need, you know, more people like you guys,
whoever is listening, whoever is supporting these utility tokens.
And, you know, we need more people like you.
When you see a project building some utility, don't be harsh on them.
Give them some time.
And, yeah, check out Pixel Heroes Adventure.
Play and, you know, have fun.
Excellent, mate. Well, look, thank you very much for making the time today. And we will be in touch. check out pixel heroes adventure play and you know have fun excellent mate well look thank
you very much for making the time today and and we will be in touch and um back back to arena of faith
yeah yeah thanks uh to have me here and uh i think we can have more corporations in very
near future because i think you focus on ai and i think uh among guys very good topic yeah
no absolutely no thank you we're gonna love to because what you're doing is truly innovative
and i think when innovation meets innovation especially through relation um and collaboration
um we can do a lot together so look thank you thank you very much and we will definitely be in
touch all right everybody well that's Artur, do you
have anything to say? I don't think there were any questions, otherwise we can let
everybody be on their merry way. No there were no questions, I'm good. Thanks
everyone for participating, thanks for your time guys and we will drop a bigger
announcement tomorrow regarding MUGA, check it out as well and enjoy your evening, morning,
wherever you are.
Excellent. Thank you, mate.
And look at everybody that's listening and everybody that will listen.
Look, thank you very much.
And if there's any projects out there,
whether it's fully fledged utility or a startup building towards utility for
our Mugger launch spaces, we'd love to hear from you.
We're going to make it easier to communicate with us
through our website going live.
And yeah, let's raise this army.
Let's stand together.
Let's drain the swamp and let's make utility great again.
So good evening, good afternoon and good morning.
And we will speak very soon.
