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Music Village® Tuesdays 3 : ft. Special Guest June 10 2025
Recorded: June 10, 2025 Duration: 0:37:33Space Recording
Short Summary
Exciting developments in the music industry as Music Village prepares for its launch, aiming to revolutionize music distribution. The conversation also highlights the resurgence of vinyl records, a trend gaining traction among music enthusiasts, alongside a potential partnership with Polly Samson that could reshape the future of music projects.
Full Transcription
Welcome to week three, Music Village Tuesdays.
I didn't think that would rhyme so well, if it rhymed well.
Welcome, week three of Music Village.
I've sent a link out and look there, Suzanne.
Welcome, Suzanne.
We're going to chat some of the goings-on in the world of music,
and there is a little bit of, I would say, it's quite big news.
It must be on the fine line of quite big news to...
Interesting anecdote, and I'm going to get into that.
So we've got the great Suzanne Niles coming up to the stage,
always an honor. And we've all welcomed Suzanne Niles to the stage.
Hey, Suzanne, how are you this week? I'm doing very well. Thank you. How about you?
Yeah, it's been a really good week. We're going to get into that. Yeah, really good week.
I'm not sure if I should go straight into it. I'll pause for a second because I see Mr. Zoticus is on the stage. Welcome, Zotty.
Grand Rising from Michigan. Hope all well happy happy happy day indeed hope
you're doing well Edward nice to meet you Suzanne hello I'm a old Michigander
from a million years ago once a Michigander always a Michigander no
matter where where how far you fly south east east, west, north, wherever you want to go. Once a Michigander, always a Michigander.
Yeah, always from the mitten.
Yeah, well, Zotty, I think it's the first time you've been in a music video space.
Why don't you give us a quick introduction, I guess?
I know you, of course, but perhaps not everyone does.
Has it really?
Man, okay.
Long story, short story.
I'm Zodocus.
I am a nerd, a lover of many different forms of technology,
different audio formats, too.
different audio formats too.
I'm a collector of, I love physical media.
I'm a collector of,
I love physical media.
I love collecting music,
NFTs,
all kinds of,
all kinds of stuff.
yeah,
long story,
short story.
I'm a nerd.
I love collecting things
and I love music.
I love supporting people,
especially the arts.
Zotikas, the great Zotikas from the,
we met in the Chia community,
but that's not the only place we know each other, of course,
where this is an ever-expanding network, of course.
So Music Village is a forthcoming platform
that is going to take on the music industry
and hopefully sell a few records.
You mentioned physical media there.
Could I just sort of throw you on the spot and ask for your opinion of the medium of music today?
Where is the future of the medium of music?
The future?
That's a tricky question there.
That's a tricky question there, because, like, you know, the past has gotten brought up now and revived into the modern times.
I remember, you know, as a kid growing up, I'm 31 years of age, just for so people who know.
When I was a child, I don't remember many people collecting records and cassettes.
I remember people getting CDs when I grew up.
But nowadays, it's a little bit different.
I often go to shows in the city of Detroit,
and on almost every single table the past, you know, almost a decade now, there's been more records,
more cassette tapes, you know, more physical media. So, honestly, right now, I could say that
I'm not sure exactly what's going to happen in the future, but it seems like right now people are interested in past mediums,
so I'm happy to hear that,
especially, you know,
I bet the old-timers probably get a little kick out of it
when they see these new, young, fresh blood and energy
in the music industry, you know,
talk about their passion for records and CDs and stuff like that.
So I bet it's a little heartwarming when some of the old-timers
see some of the new blood get not only appreciated,
but can respect where music has come from,
the origins, and the way it used to be distributed.
I appreciate it, yeah.
Records, physical media,
I think it's all going to be a part of the future.
And of course, record is analog.
It's not actually digital,
so that's a big thing there.
But yeah, well, welcome to the stage oticus and
yeah suzanne uh and real quickly edward i'm pretty sure um didn't uh what was was uh music village
part of the i think didn't a while back you you had a mint on chia um that was one of the was that
for music village it was like a gold image,
if I remember correctly.
That's it, yeah, the Chia Music number one album.
Yes, so I did.
In fact, this might be
one of my first times here
in a Music Village space, but I've definitely
already been a part of Music Village.
That is one of the...
I do, you know,
have one of those in my wallets.
I did get to mint one of those.
I'm not sure if you can still mint them,
but yeah, I did get one of them.
The first generation was only available for 24 hours.
I minted it on the halving day,
which was the day I spoke to Wes, actually.
He invited me to be the CEO of Music
Village in March last year, 2024. And on that day, I minted the Chia Music number one albums.
And I only put them up for sale for a day. I thought, why not? If someone's really wants to,
if they're basically there for the start, reward the early people. So that first one, yeah, there's very few of them that are out there on the market.
And then there was a second edition that was not minted on the day of the halving.
That's the Chia Bitcoin 2 halving, if that means anything to people.
Every four years, actually with Chia three years, doesn't really matter.
But with Bitcoin, it's four years.
The number of Bitcoin available goes down by half.
So every four years is a halving day.
And on Chia's halving day, I minted that album.
So that's a little bit of Chia trivia.
And Music Village is the metaverse,
which is the end of the roadmap of the Chia music roadmap.
So it's called the secret world in the roadmap.
And when Music Village launches,
that will basically finish my roadmap
that I originally set out years ago.
So that's another reason I really want Music Village
to be live so that I can kind of take it off, basically.
But yeah, that's where Chia Music fits in.
Yeah, so, yeah, I don't know.
I've got a little bit of cool news, I think. Two pieces of cool
news, but one in particular, but Suzanne, I want to throw the floor to you first. Is there anything
that's on your mind or would you like to, I love giving people the floor and being like,
is there anything you'd like to say and see what happens?
to say and see what happens.
Oh, I am just listening.
I was fascinated to hear that he was,
his early memories of music were,
I think you said CDs and tapes and stuff.
I would just throw in that my first early days of music
as a young teen was at a party in the basement of one of my
girlfriends. And in those days, you would play a stack of 45s. Does anybody know what 45s are?
Not sure. What? Are you serious serious you're teasing me
yeah i'm actually not sure i wonder if it's got a different name
is it a 45 rpm analog disc vinyl little small okay got you yeah the big hole in the middle i think they go by the inches in england oh i don't know anyway i it's
cool that you hadn't heard of you didn't know what a 45 was it's 45 rpm as opposed to
um regular you know vinyl lps they were called long plays which were 33 and a third rpm right
you're learning here as I go along I'm looking on Wikipedia as well I can't
believe it yeah there you go. The live media exposes.
Exposes who we are and how old we are, I guess, huh?
Interesting.
So that's like a higher fidelity record, was it?
No, no, no, no. It was just smaller and it spun faster.
You had to have a player. You had to have a turntable that, you know, had different speeds or, you know, 33 and a third
for the big records and 45 for the 45s, which were typically, you know, uh, popular music.
And then of course there were 78, 78 RPM, which were sort of medium size. And you don't know anything about those. I'm flabbergasted.
Yeah, see, now that I recognize my dad's records that he used to play when I was young,
and yeah, we had the two different sizes. I see there's three here, though.
Yeah, there's three. There's the 45s, which are the small ones, and the 78s
were the medium ones, and the 33 and the thirds, those are the records that we know today.
Those have lasted, they still exist.
They're still being made.
And great numbers now, I understand.
Anyway, so there's a little piece of trivia
for you youngsters.
That's awesome.
Yeah, I'd love to do a record at some point. for you youngsters. That's awesome. Yeah.
I love to do a record at some point.
They're selling like hotcakes in Bangkok.
And I was at a vinyl fair the other day. And no, not in like a flea basement somewhere,
like second-hand,
in the most newest, most expensive mall in Bangkok
on like the exhibition floor. So it was all the high-end bars, all the most newest, most expensive mall in Bangkok, unlike the exhibition floor.
So it was all the high-end bars, all the wine bars,
and in the middle of it, a record display
and live music through records.
It's definitely, I won't say coming back
because it's arguably never left, but I don't see it.
Well, yeah, records went kind of quiet there for a while
and people were just giving them away
because nobody wanted them anymore they were all tuned into uh you know mp3s and cds and stuff like
that but then they started creeping back in and those of us who have our old ones are happy that
we do oh yeah what what a chance to have if you could have gone back and i collect all
the records over the last 20 years when people were giving them away
a dollar for a hundred because they even store them quite well ah
be better than gold but uh
But, yeah.
Well, I guess I'd love to throw my little bit of news out there.
For the last couple of years, I've been working on a campaign,
which is quite simply called Reform Pink Floyd.
And my belief is that when I kind of started all this out in about 2018 or so,
it was actually 2017 technically,
but it was January the 5th when I decided, okay,
that's the first day of the project in 2018.
But since I've sort of been working on it more or less full time,
I've been thinking of what would be the most valuable thing you could do.
And I kind of thought, what if you say you set a music industry up
and you made a billion dollars, that kind of thing.
Well, that would be kind of good, I guess.
If you help independent musicians, that would be good.
I came to the conclusion that the most valuable thing that I could do
would absolutely be if I could somehow play a role in getting one new
Pink Floyd album made, if it was the original lineup.
Like there's no other band in the world that it's, it just,
the Beatles can't, it can't happen. Cause Lennon was,
John Lennon was too important. Rolling Stones are still around.
It's not really that cool in a sense I can only Nirvana it wouldn't work I
can't think of another band I think there's only Pink Floyd left that if it happened it would be
earth-shattering in a sense or earth-shaking so I've been chipping away at this for now
basically years planning it and by the way that the original plan I had was to get on stage at the Tokyo Olympics.
Crazy as that might sound. I was working on that for about four years and COVID screwed me up.
But anyway, the plan was, my plan I should say, was if I could get on stage with a live camera,
I'd just scream, reform Pink Floyd and plant the seed. So that's a little bit of trivia,
but COVID screwed that up.
So anyway, I've been chipping away at it for a couple of years, making, I've been making
videos in the background and trying to time it right so that I release it at the right
moment. But anyway, last week I managed to get in contact with Polly Samson and Dave
Gilmore, who's the guitarist of Pink Floyd and I got a message
through to them and that it was like a mass I was I can't believe I managed to get a message through
and just yes the way I did it basically is uh well let me say what the message was I said I think I've I've tweeted it out
essentially I I'll just scroll back and then I'll pin it to the space I figured
out that the reason they've fallen out Pink Floydyd is because roger waters is coercive what's that mean it's someone who will
use physical force or voice violence if you like to coerce someone oh i'll raise my voice come over
here like that kind of thing like grab someone by the arm pull them and dave gilmore is like the
best guitarist but he's very shy and so there's been
like a public feud that Roger Waters is really egotistical which he is and the
Polly Samson is Dave Gilmour's wife she's sort of she's basically on the
pro-Israel side to put it simply and roger waters was always
i won't say pro-gaza anti-genocide and she's been basically doing photos for dave gilmore she's a
good photographer and she's a good songwriter too she's actually written songs for pink floyd
but she has labeled roger waters as sort of most of the things that are true, misogynistic, he's coercive, etc.
But she said that he's like an anti-Semitic, this, that and the other.
And that's where basically I think that's their wrong.
Gilmore and Polly Samson are in the wrong because I think he's at the very least just thinking like a humanitarian.
With all his negative qualities, he's actually, I think, doing the right thing.
And I don't think they are as such. So she's been doing an Instagram for him, putting pictures out for Dave Gilmore's recent shows at Madison Square Garden.
pictures out for Dave Gilmore's recent shows at Madison Square Garden. And I think some people
got it taken down because they were not happy with what she had said about Waters, I think.
So when I realized that she was running Dave Gilmore's Instagram and Twitter account,
I realized that I could message Polly directly to basically say, if you keep going this direction,
directly, to basically say, if you keep going this direction, then you're going to turn Roger
into the good guy, because he's going to be seen to be the guy calling out genocide. And when
genocide is going on, instead of you saying genocide is bad, you'll try to label Roger as
the bad guy. So I was able to do an AI picture and put this quotation out in the tweet.
And then she replied the next day.
And I replied one further time.
And then the next reply was basically, just so you know, this isn't Dave's personal Twitter.
This is someone else's.
So I got the impression that not just a Polyreddit, but Dave had as well.
I need to pin it to the top, but I thought,
it's probably about as much as I can do directly.
I never expected to get a message through
to one of the actual band.
I thought it'd have to be through the algorithm.
So I was very, very surprised that I could reach them directly.
But that was definitely the biggest thing of my week.
I couldn't believe it when it happened.
I was really yeah i won't
let me pin it in so you can see it is there more to this exchange that does he know that you're on
a mission to have a uh a reprise of a concert or whatever your paper is planned or wished for?
I'll just pin it.
The last thing that is fiddly scrolling back through Twitter, I keep.
Last, I think it was about four or five months ago, Dave Gilmore said that they're going to sell the, not sell,
like move the rights of Pink Floyd's music over to someone else so that he
doesn't have to be the choice of it.
And I'm not so sure if that wasn't because of my sort of campaign when he
said this a few months ago, because it came out of the blue.
So I'm not I think
that one of the things that's happened is that the rights to Pink Floyd in a sense is no longer with
Dave Gilmore it's moved to someone else which means he's not personally responsible but since I pinned it at the top. But the last thing she said was,
just for clarification,
we are not David.
We cover his work towards
anything news related to it.
And so that was the last thing she said.
I didn't respond again.
I thought it was best not to overdo it
because it was quite rare to get a reply. So I'm thinking what to do next, I thought it was best not to overdo it because it was quite rare to get a reply.
So I'm thinking what to do next, I guess.
That's right.
You don't want to blow it by saying the wrong thing.
Yeah.
This is where social media is just completely game-changing
because it's like people are just judging things
on how many likes do you get,
like how many quotes or this, that or the other.
It's very tempting to see things in terms of that,
but getting an actual message directly to the eyes
of someone significant in the world, to me that's far more powerful
it's just it couldn't have happened 10 years ago or perhaps even five years ago i think with the
algorithms you know people you couldn't yeah i mean it seems like even now it would seem nearly impossible, but you did it.
Yeah, a little bit of timing.
It was a little tone of her tweet.
I could tell that it wasn't an independent photographer.
Like she said something like, we, we are being attacked by Dave, by Rogers fans, something like that. And it's like that little difference between we and dave is the
giveaway and so it's like oh it's you know it's dave's wife i mean she was in the band it's not
like i can't tweet back and i just think well what she's going to look like the bad guy roger's
going to look like the google the best thing is just reform the band and join it like no one will
remember this right if pink
floyd reform no one's ever going to chat about any of the political stuff again it's irrelevant to a
musical band and they're the best i think that's ever done it i'm curious of your thoughts so you
were pink floyd fans this is where you say no you're not a fan i guess but uh are you talking to me? Yeah. Uh, when were they in their heyday?
What decade?
That would have been 74 to 79, I guess.
No, that was part of my music blackout.
Um, I, I don't know any much popular music at all in the seventies or eighties.
Eighties.
I was raising my kids and 90s.
Yeah, there's a big blackout for me.
It's not that I wouldn't be a fan if I could, but I just was not aware of them at the time.
Gotcha.
Yeah.
I have to send you the dark side of the moon on vinyl, I guess.
I have to send you the dark side of the moon on vinyl, I guess.
My son, my older son, who is now 40, I guess, he just laughs his butt off when I say I never
heard of those guys that was during my blackout days.
Because I was raising him.
I was watching Mr. Rogers and stuff like that at the time.
Yeah, so that's... But I sure do love Motown.
Oh, nice. Yeah, I love a bit of Tamla Motown.
And, yeah, and I remember, well, I mean, I was in high school when they were hot and I remember,
you know, in the car and the radio was on and there would always be these ads for little
Stevie Wonder at Metropolitan Beach this weekend. He was just getting going back in those days.
Stevie Wonder, yeah.
There was a clip of him a few years ago.
There was rumours that he might actually not be blind.
I don't know if you heard that.
It was a conspiracy theory.
Oh, great.
Like something fell
and he managed to catch it.
But I guess you can be blind
and still sort of see something
out the corner of your eye, I guess.
I don't know.
I didn't hear any of that.
Yeah.
You never know, I guess.
But yeah, I guess
I sent the link out a bit late this week.
I only sent it out, so Ken's not here.
Hopefully, he'll get the link for next week.
I've included that here in the email I sent out.
Yeah, you got me in the nick of time.
I looked at the clock, and it was quarter to noon, and your thing said it was at noon so luckily i was able to
get my microphone settings correct and uh so that's good yeah sorry for sending it so late
i had one of those weeks i was uh i'll make sure they're all done i actually tried to do four weeks
just now but you could only book two at once, I guess,
two weeks ahead, and that's the most you can do.
So two's the most I can do, but I'll stay on top of it now.
And then also I'll look to get another guest for next week.
I'm curious.
I've got a couple of ideas, but I'll see what Esther and Ken say.
I'm not sure if...
I think Esther mentioned she had a friend who might be a good guest,
but I'm going to start to ramp up inviting people,
and I'm really excited to start building this up now,
especially with some of the technology that I've seen.
What Andre is working on is amazing.
I had a little demonstration with him earlier
of some of his 3D rendering stuff,
and it's amazing the technology he's got there.
So looking forward to ramping it up.
Yeah, I guess maybe wind it down.
It's 25 minutes in.
I don't want to drag it out because I left it late.
But the big news is the Pink Floyd news.
That's really the thing.
And I'm very, very excited about that.
I could invite her to come to the space.
That might be a bit too much.
I'm not sure if she'd come, but that's another choice.
I mean, that would be a massive guest, getting Polly Samson,
Dave Gilmore's songwriter.
So I have to think about it.
Well, it all depends on whether she's outgoing
and would love to talk to a bunch of fans.
And it really depends on her, you know, state of mind as far as being the center of attention
in a group of Pink Floyd groupies.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's a good point.
So you never know.
I mean, you might be, well, of course, you know, you could probably
somehow drop a hint that you're doing this sort of thing and make it not sound like you
are asking her to join her. There's probably a way to just make her aware just in case,
you know, but you have, you, you need to, I guess, craft a few more very carefully worded messages.
Let's see where that might go.
That's definitely the case.
One wrong message and it could mess it up.
I mean, I'm thinking that if it goes well, why not invite her to, or anyone really, but her to run an audio campfire if she wants one i mean if that's
something i can definitely work with her to help her promote events poetry events or right yeah
yeah well you've got a lot of exciting things tentacles to pursue related yeah for sure there's lots of tentacles
to pull i was kind of hoping wes would know roger waters or someone i don't know you'd ever know
that'd be brilliant but uh oh you're making me feel really sad that um i told you about my uh
my second husband bill shennaman i mean if he were here he would light this room on fire with
stuff oh i know it just makes me sick to know that he's not here he would who knows what would
happen but he probably knows some of those guys you're talking about right yeah i just i can i
can't bear to think about it but but I just thought I'd mention it
and now I'm thinking about it.
Yeah, I got you.
Anyway.
That was a magical story.
That was, I think, in week one.
I couldn't believe it.
You just never know, I guess.
Yeah, I don't remember how much I told you,
but oh my God, yes.
Some, somehow I've gotta figure out how to get the book written. I've got you for you other guys.
This was Bill Shannon, who was a high end,
high end recording engineer in the rock and roll days and has so many stories
to tell. And I managed to get him to talk to me and I
recorded hours and hours and hours of phone conversations with him stories
like you wouldn't believe probably over half could not be published anyway but
you know some wonderful anecdotes a day he met John Lennon at a recording studio
and couldn't couldn't speak he was so nervous and and
and you know they met at the coffee machine or something and and Bill just sort of blathered
and then later in the day somehow they they crossed paths again and he apologized for
being such a blathering fool or something.
And then he said to John, I bet you were an asshole when you met Elvis too.
That kind of broke the ice.
I can't believe you were with someone.
It was just in the middle of it like that.
Did you say you were married?
I was married to him for 10 years after his payday.
He was just doing some recordings for a Swiss group,
and he was doing a solo album for Seth Justman.
You know who Seth Justman is?
He's the songwriter and keyword
player for jay giles band and so that was the main thing he was doing when we were together
and that was kind of the last major thing he did um but uh oh but the stories are just killer
are just killer yeah so have you got them recorded on audio uh yes i have uh right behind me there's
a little box here and i i bought a dedicated uh couple terabyte drive to keep them all safe and
sound but i have them in three other places too so it's just you know rough uh recordings of
phone conversations would all have to be put together and organized and
sorted through and you know take out the stuff that can't be told in public and stuff like that
yeah but um yeah I had a collaborator who was a long time starting from childhood friend of his who knew knowing from childhood all kinds of insights and stuff and
and also a newspaper publisher a great writer knows the book business knows how to get a book
published was drooling to work on this and he died of heart attack so i'm alone it's just
heartbreaking anyway i've got the, so something will happen someday.
Yeah.
Any help I can provide, I'd be honored to.
Oh, thank you.
Yeah.
Thanks.
I'm overwhelmed with grief that I've lost my collaborator, and I also lost Bear.
He had a few more stories to tell, but I wrangled most of them out of them yeah
anyway yeah well I just gonna say that I could I've got an idea like could you do
a record version it does not a lot of time on a record though there's what 40 minutes or so 240
could could it be a simmered down in the future i guess but like a simmered down one-off spoken
stories record of him possibly spoken by him in the rough audios i made at the phone calls
yeah yeah like rare it would be really rough.
Well, so here I have a picture.
Right here behind, let's see if I can get to it.
I have a photograph that turned up when one of his friends was going through his apartment
and gathering stuff.
And what turned up is a picture
that goes with, hold on a minute.
Let's see if I can't believe this picture turned up this goes with a story where he was do you know the band Chic Neil and um what's his name i can't remember their exact name but anyway those guys were
going to do a recording session they were also engineers they were going to do a recording
session with um diana ross now i don't know if this was a power station or what facility this
was at but those two guys bernard and neil had been out drinking the night before and were totally wasted and couldn't get to the studio in time they were just
nowhere to be found the bear was there a bear it's his nickname Phil's nickname
he was there and he thought oh god we'll see if I can pull this one out so
Diana Ross was due to come in but always't know what you call it. What he decided to do to break the ice with Diana was he took, and I'm looking at this
picture, he took a bunch of patch cords, you know, the cables that you connect, that you
stick in the quarter inch plugs and connect all the different things together, all the
different pieces of hardware together. And they were about maybe two or three feet long not very long so he took
a bunch of those and he attached and they're all different colors and he attached them to the
inside of a baseball cap so he put it on his head and so the patch cords were meant to look like
dreadlocks so and i'm looking at this picture of him
with the baseball cap on with the fake redlock, the patch cords, and he met Diana Ross in
that get up. And, and I don't, I don't know, though, I don't know if he was singing Stevie
Wonder, or I don't know, he was doing something else crazy. But anyway, so he decided to just try to break the ice in the most weird way.
And it worked and she cracked up and they were fast buddies for the rest of the
time that she was recording there.
That's an example of one of the stories.
Cool.
And thank God somebody took a picture of him.
I'll send it to you.
Yeah. Yeah, please do.
I can't believe he got away with it,
but it was the only hope since,
you know, the other two guys are drunk and didn't show up.
Well, what do we got to lose here?
You go.
So cool.
Well, I've got some groceries arriving in a few minutes here.
Yeah, let's close the space down and keep it a little shorter this week
Yeah, next week we'll be back week four
the news is
Got a message out to Pink Floyd. That's I don't can't say any clearer than that
That's what has happened this week. I'm really kind of still glowing inside about that. So I continue on. I can understand perfectly.
I can see the glow from here.
Yeah, thank you.
Well, I hope that that glow
spreads around the world.
So thanks again, Suzanne.
And I'll chat with you soon.
And thanks to everyone for coming.
And same time next week, same place.
And yeah, take it easy, guys.
Okay.
Bye, everybody. same place and yeah take it easy guys okay bye everybody Thank you.
