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Music Village® Tuesdays 4 : ft. OG Keni Special Guest June 17 2025
Recorded: June 17, 2025 Duration: 1:07:03Space Recording
Short Summary
In a vibrant discussion, participants explored the launch of the Music Village platform, trends in audience engagement, and the evolving landscape of creativity influenced by social media. The conversation highlighted the importance of authenticity and connection in artistic expression, reflecting a growing awareness of the challenges faced by creators in the digital age.
Full Transcription
who's control you'll reap the harvest you have sown are they a few bells ringing
from the land of Pink Floyd or is that just my imagination reform Pink Floyd
ladies and gentlemen we have week four of music village and the people are
going up at the door that they're eager to get this started.
We're here.
Esther, Suzanne, great to see you again.
We've got OG Kenny coming today.
This is the fourth episode of Music Village Weekly Space,
and isn't it going well?
The first week we had Ken Copabianco,
our star journalist from the music industry.
We learned about Ken in the first episode, and I'm sure Ken will be here soon.
We've got someone special coming up.
Very special, of course.
And then in the second week, we had Mark Powers with Binaural Beats,
talking about a different side of music, music for healing. And the third week, which was last week, we had a
shorter episode with some Pink Floyd News and Mr. Zoticus, who is one of my
friends, a really great guy. Zoticus was here last week. So we're back week, week
four Music Village Live. Hey, Suzanne, welcome to the stage.
Hello, Edward, glad to be here.
Yeah, good to see you. Okay, so I guess I'm gonna do a couple of mini updates
and hopefully Kenny will be here very soon.
I know he's in the same time zone as me,
so it's a little bit late,
but he's gonna be here very shortly
uh yeah there's the development was we talked about pink floyd last week
there's a little bit of ramping up of the energy overall i would say there was a little message
sent out today by a super girl one of my friends who who was wearing a Pink Floyd t-shirt in a post that was released on her official Facebook today.
And big third welcome. I believe Ken has entered the room.
This is for the people joining Music Village is a forthcoming platform. It's the
final part of the Chia Music Roadmap and I've been working away beavering on trying to get
it done for the last couple of years. And in the build up to the launch, when that should
hopefully be this year, I'm spinning the network up and these should be some of the first campfires we see in the Music Village platform.
But let's see if Ken is coming up on stage.
We've got our industry veteran journalist Ken Copabianca and should send Esther an invite to speak.
Not sure if it comes up, if you come up directly, but Esther was the one who helped set this space up.
And so a big thank you. Big thanks goes out to Esther as well.
I believe that our star, Ken Kobabianco, is on the stage.
You're not here last week. The Pink Floyd News was there.
So much to talk about one of the industry's veterans stars. How are you doing, Ken?
I'm very well today. How is everyone? I hope everybody, it's a very beautiful day here in
California, so I hope it's beautiful by you. And I'm sorry I'm a little bit late to the discussion.
Please continue and I will chime in when you, I'm not really sure what you're talking about. So let, let it rip in. Uh, I will think Ed.
Yeah. Well, I was just, there, here we go.
I believe OG Kenny is on the stage. Do I talk about Pink Floyd?
Do I talk about OG Kenny? Same level of thing.
It's so it's all the same energy is going there. Shout out to big fun. Uh,
I'll say that, Ken,
I think that
the second episode ended, you were talking about
when you saw Animals Live
in, I think, was it
77? I can't remember
the exact year. It was
about 78.
Yeah, it was right around 77, 78.
We're talking
almost 50 years ago.
So whether or not, how much I remember,
what I remember is the theatricality,
of course, the brilliant, brilliant music and the sound.
Obviously, they had the floating animals
and it was just a magnificent experience musically, visually, to experience with a group of people that was completely enraptured.
It transcended a concert, let me put it to it that way.
It transcended a concert.
Let me put it to you that way.
Just as all of the Pink Floyd shows years later,
then it would be The Wall.
But it was just a great...
To me, there's very few bands with the musical...
And I don't want to say precision because that sounds very clinical, but the
breathtaking power of the music and the musicianship, it's very rare to see that.
And I'm very lucky to have that experience on the pretty day, even though it's a long,
and I was very young, but it was a long long time ago you know i mean it's quite
incredible for me to consider how long ago it was well one more tour that's that's what i'm about
so yeah yeah yeah that that might be a wish that might not come true, but we'll have to see. You know, and I'm sure people who, you know, everybody listening here, you know, is probably like 50 years ago.
It sounds like sounds like the Great Depression in America, but it wasn't.
You know, it was a different time. It was a great time of music in in the world.
I mean,
can you consider the, the seventies was, you know, Sly Stone,
we lost Sly Stone, um, just about a week and a week and a half ago. I mean,
uh, you know, it was the latter part, uh,
kind of the dip for Sly Stone, but I mean, obviously it was
Springsteen emerged and, uh, you know and there were so many, Pink Floyd was
at its height, Steely Dan, I mean
but you know, let's talk about
you know
the music that people understand and know
yeah, so, yeah
Well that's fantastic
so what I don't like to say
I'm jealous of people but to see Pink Floyd
Animals live in the 70s, I'm jealous
so yeah, lucky you, my friend.
And ladies, and Ken, I'd love to introduce you
to OG Kenny, Suzanne, Esther.
OG Kenny is on the stage.
Just a brief introduction, OG Kenny, Mark Powers,
these are the new breed of spaces host.
I'm the old generation now.
I was like two years ago.
These are taking it to the next level.
And OG Kenny's spaces,
sometimes they'll be whatever, an hour.
And then other times maybe six, seven hours.
And you tune in after four hours.
It's part poetry.
It's part performance art.
It's taking it to the next level.
OG Kenny, thanks for joining us.
Welcome to the stage.. OG Kenny, thanks for joining us. Welcome to the
stage. Oh, hi guys. Thank you so much for the super, superfluous, complimentary entry here. I,
I actually came in a little bit late, so I'm just like, you know, fashionably, of course.
Hi Ken. Hi Susan. Hi Big Fudd. Hi Ed, thanks for the invite and the specialness is probably
in my needs and my requirements. By the way, I've got to give a disclaimer, the spaces
that we listen to and co-create together are completely random and really quite a colourful
um a random and and really quite a colorful uh expression of community uh i myself am quite loud
so i'm doing my best to to tone it down um and so this is a good practice for me being in with
seemingly to be uh normal humans like humans not pfps i'm
normal humans like humans not pfps i'm forward-facing human beings so uh yeah nice to meet
you all um i shall sit and and be behaved for a second
forward-facing human beings i love that line
yeah you know beans beans all of all kinds i guess like we we i just found out edward that
you you and i are separated by a strange number of of degrees um because i actually thought i
knew you from from orange gooey spaces originally but um but you had a lot of nice things to say about you today
in the space with Mark Powers, you just mentioned him and the rest of the gang.
But the rest of you, I'm happy to shush and just, I don't know what I've got into here,
it's not often you see your name on up in bright lights yeah well kenny i'd love to
you know let you briefly know sort of how this came about suzanne on the stage here she's
wes kuzmyle she's like the lennon to the mccartney like suzanne's been working with Wes for decades? Is that safe to say?
Well, I had a stint with him in 2004 when I edited his first book,
and then I was not involved for a while and came back in 2015.
So my recent experience with Wes is about 10 years now.
Yeah, Suzanne is brilliant.
And Wes was the founder of Kuzmal Encyclopedia,
which got rejigged into Delphi.
And then that got sold to Rupert Murdoch,
which was then renamed the internet.
So there's real technological royalty,
perhaps royalty is not the right word to use these days.
There's real technological lineage
in what Wes has been working on for the last 20 years.
And Suzanne is a brilliant member of the team as well.
And so I'm building it really for him
to some degree as well.
So these spaces, I'm trying to introduce people yourself,
you know, your talent stood out
and just sort of move the ecosystem forward, I guess.
So yeah, that's what's going on.
And hopefully Music Village will launch soon
and be a rival to Twitter.
Hopefully one day replace it.
So yeah, but I love your spaces
and the way that you improvise music into them
is really original.
So I'm curious, yeah, I guess,
where did the inspiration for that come from?
Could you tell us about where that came about?
So, okay, so, yeah, so um okay so yeah the original idea for spaces for me i guess i've been doing it around
since 2020 maybe after that but um yeah so i came on the spaces as an extension of
what i've been practicing um for quite few years, a couple of decades now,
is just recording and journaling and sharing out loud. It's been a kind of a cathartic process for
me in hindsight, but it just started out with actually keeping myself accountable to
It started out with actually keeping myself accountable to the progress and journey that I was on.
Because I was kind of floating around Europe, lost in space, you know.
And it started with YouTube, actually.
It started with YouTube, went on to various other streaming platforms and like you now and then um and then ended up here in in
spaces in twitter which was actually a perfect timing it was a perfect time so then my uh music
the music's always been a part of my life um my my my brother's dad my stepdad had everything i'm talking about from back in the tape days
i mean vinyls too but he had everything from everything between obviously i just heard you
talking about pink floyd the beatles mccartney lennon all of the great sort of era the golden
era as well as bob marley pete tosh you you know, all the, you know, roots rock reggae, you know, like original, like old, old beats.
And then everything in between. So all the way up to Jules Santana, not Jules Santana, the other one.
But Gilberto Gere, you know, samba um all over the world all over the world so
we've been exposed to quite a lot of music and and then my music is just the stuff that really
resonates with parts of my life parts of what i like to listen to so my spaces okay that is happened to turn out into be an extension of a bedroom
you remember when we were teenagers and you know after after school or whatever you all pile in
around someone's and then you just throw on some music and you sit you draw you write you hang out
and chat about whatever's going on um in your mind mind and that's really what it's it still is it
still is that because even though we've come out into the into the public sort of realm the open
commons kind of space with a with an open mic every night every day is an open uh space uh anybody can come up and engage um but it's it's not necessarily music
focused and um i used to joke about saying it's a bit of a pirate radio show because obviously
i do my best to add at least a third of me a third of the community right and we try our try try no but we do we do actually make it our own
i i believe we're in we're within the boundaries of fair use so yeah i mean no it's not because
we're not going for commercial gain it's just sharing music with each other and and new music
too so that's about this that's where I'm in with the music
side of it but we do
we all love music don't we
something that
can trans
what's the word
it crosses
it bridges the gap sometimes
especially in the quiet moments
yeah Bridges the gaps sometimes, especially in the quiet moments.
Yeah, yeah, you touched on various things there. It's always interesting to hear the way you're expressing.
It sounded like you were inferring,
I was saying that playing music,
almost like live DJing of playing the songs,
whereas I was actually getting at that sometimes when you're hosting,
it almost sounds like you start doing poems of your own
that sort of merge into the spoken form.
I don't know if that came across but uh yeah very original
you know we're constantly seeking to to carve out some form of um identity right in this ever being
ever becoming ever evolving and and rapidly accelerating um stage uh somewhere along the way i i started
recognizing the threat to to human ip to to human creativity right and so it was a culmination maybe
of a few friends of ours who were just getting into freestyle rap and just, you know,
ciphering bars at the bars, at the workout place. And then my youngest, he was like,
I want to be a rapper. So I was like, oh, okay, so we'll practice a little bit and we'll start increasing your vocabulary and playing words and bits.
And I guess he got bored, you know, about five minutes later.
He was like, oh, that's embarrassing, Dad. You need you need to go home.
And so I just rapped all the way home, too. And I was just like, well, you know, this is what we used to do when we were kids and so um maybe that translates a little bit into my presenting hosting quote
quote unquote sort of co-hosting skills but you know it's fun right it's fun and it's a way to be
identified and identifiable apart apart from these ai bots that are closing in. And if you don't know what I'm talking about,
I've been listening more and more.
Creators are posing AIs as presenters
and even conversational, you know,
it's getting interesting because it's almost like the human is almost dropping behind in terms of performance ability, maybe.
Hey, there's Mark. I just seen him coming in.
You know what I mean, Edward? It's almost like the human expression has become more and more guarded, more and more shy, and a little bit recluse, if you ask me.
that we have, this new music sort of that we kind of create together,
it might be the key to unlocking everybody's creativity, I hope.
Why do you think, and I ask this collectively,
why do you think that human creativity at this point is taking a backseat
or becoming a little bit more limited.
You know, I mean, the creativity of the mind is such a beautiful and profound thing.
And we have to ask ourselves, what is it that in our culture, in the world, that is forcing people to recede and not create with the abundance that we have seen?
Is it the intrusion of AI and perhaps intimidation?
I don't know.
Or is it social media? Is it something perhaps intimidation? I don't know. Or is it social media?
Is it something more than that?
I don't know.
Before that, though, Ken, right?
Before that, we became a generation of consumers.
If you look around, everyone consumes, but they don't necessarily create.
So it's almost like they're in a passive state of feed
me feed me but i don't want to grow and so something that i've noticed is that that's as
that goes on and on it it in my narcissistic is cystic traits it's it's great because it makes
you stand out more it makes you gives you
more light and and you get to go on the stage and get more time but then you look around and you're
like oh hold on this isn't this isn't what everybody's like and then you start to feel a
little exposed because i don't know yeah it's a good question though i i'll succeed to anyone else
i think it's because we we we've been shutting it down
like for example right when you glorify and pedestalize, you know, like celebrity, when you have so much like auto-tune, additional filters and lighting and production value that takes everybody out of this very human, normal, regular state, I think that it creates something that is daunting and scary,
even for those who are in the position of performing the avatar piece. They don't even
recognize themselves, if you know what I mean. I do. I mean, I'm just intrigued. I mean,
I do. I mean, I'm just intrigued. I mean, the consumer culture is not new.
And I'm intrigued by this because, you know, I mean, the history, I mean, I live in America and we are the ultimate, you know, capitalist consumer culture.
And I'm sure that's universal at this point, because we have exported
the mentality. But it's not something that has changed overnight. And I'm just intrigued
by the notion of why we are suddenly...
Suddenly, there's been a, and I agree with you, that there's been a subtle shaft in which people are not allowing themselves to explore their imagination, explore the beauty of creativity as much, perhaps being because they're intimidated or because there are cultural forces much larger than we can conceive at this point.
I'm not sure. So I'm just raising the question. I don't know.
Could it be something to do with the explosion of social media now everybody's a music critic?
Well, everybody thinks as a music critic, everybody thinks they are a music critic.
That's right. I mean, that is true. I mean, I hear this all the time.
And, you know, as a music critic and one somebody who's been a music critic for many, many years, I hear this every all the time in my life.
Well, you just say whether it's good or not.
I can do that.
It depends on what you like.
And that is not what a music critic,
that's not what I do and what not any music critic worth their soul does.
I mean, what we do is put the music in context,
understanding the history of music, understanding what is out there.
I mean, what is being played and what is being listened to in total.
I mean, being a music critic is not just about it's good or bad, but where does this music fit historically, culturally?
I mean, we look at music in terms of culture, music in terms of style.
I mean, and it's not whether a thumbs up, thumbs down on music.
And that's why people think that they can do what. It's not whether a thumbs up, thumbs down on music.
And that's why people think that they can do what.
But, you know, obviously, we're now in a niche area of music criticism.
But, you know, I think what happens is everybody thinks because they have a platform.
And I don't know how this fits in, but it's true is everybody thinks because they have a platform that they can comment on social media that,
uh, you know, their opinion needs to be heard. I don't need to know a lot of things. Uh, and I
guess I I'm actually arguing for, you know, people saying, okay, enough.
I don't need to know everything about your lives.
You know, and that's not really what I want to say, but it's kind of true.
People don't understand the difference between art and your private musings.
This is, to me, there's a little bit, there's a big difference.
I mean, your quotidian lives you
know what you think about your dating life i don't need to know that stuff create art that's what i
want that's that's what i want people to do you know ken you know ken that's that's the thing
though because the art is no no longer live and in front of our faces so it's not as inspiring
anymore right if you see you go to
these shows and festivals you get a different experience than than you get from the tv so i do
think a lot of it is because it's overproduced and taken out of context from reality i that's
what i believe yeah it's interesting yes good, it's a good point.
My point was just that when I said everybody's a music critic, what I mean is that may intimidate creators who are afraid to have the, you know, everybody out there who's got something to say is going to come down on them and they just need to shut it all out. Yeah, I don't know.
But I don't think, honestly, I don't think those people,
the people who shut themselves down because there's some person saying ridiculous things about their art.
The thing about an artist is you are compelled to make music, books, art.
You don't think about, oh my goodness, I'm going to censor myself because there are clowns who might troll me on the internet.
At least, I mean, that's how I feel. I believe artists are compelled to create
art, to say something about the human condition, say something about the mind, say something about
something that elevates who we are as people, helps us transcend our lives. And that's what
creates art. And it's not about, now, if they do do that, and that is a possibility, but I think if
they do censor themselves or, or limit themselves, then they have to reframe their mindset of why
they're creating art. Because it's not to be accepted. It's to express things that are essential to who we are as human beings and
and who we are uh about the human condition so i i would say people have to get over the social
media um bullying i guess it would be you know they have they have to just create
bullying i guess it would be you know they have they have to just create
well you know social media is this barrier that seems to protect you know like we didn't have
this term keyboard warrior we didn't have this term of like where people could be outright like
disgusting to each other with no recourse with no repercussions see so i think a lot of the the the over critical
aspect of social media where everything is being judged so critically everything is being so like
granulary like like um examined per se is is is very similar like we have a lot of this in in um
in film as well, right?
Not just in music, but even more so in visual arts.
The exposure that we may have had is,
let's just assume we're all artistic in some way,
and I do believe that anyway, right?
Which perhaps some have blossomed sooner or later than others,
but at some way, we all have this creative urge, like you said, an artist urge to express oneself honestly.
Right. So what happens now is that you express yourself and it gets shut down and criticized and trolled and all the rest.
And it's like, OK, I get it. Ken, like artists, it's a tough gig.
okay, I get it. Ken, like artists, it's a tough gig. If you really truly about your art and you
don't give, you know, you are compelled. Like, as you said, it's the compulsion to do the thing.
There's the Dharmic calling perhaps, but that is something that I think is getting stumped out by
this desire to be factory, you know, like cookie cutter, same same as everybody and it's a shame isn't it i i never
really looked at it like this because i don't even really consider myself to be
consciously creating art rather than just being me but perhaps that is the path of the artist too like just expressing oneself honestly is
is what we do right right right I mean I I think once you I mean I think what you're saying is
you you just need to you're you're essentially you and you're expressing yourself in your and
your work but you know I I don't think anybody once you can label yourself, oh, I am an artist,
I am an artist, you're, I don't know, you're getting into the world of a little bit of
pretension in which, because every artist is really just creating. I mean, it's just a matter
of creation. And so you're being essentially you.
So you're an artist.
But other people label you the artist.
You don't label yourself the artist.
You know what I mean?
Yeah, yeah.
And it's even more apparent when they start to call you an actor.
And then you start to adopt roles. Because you're like, oh, well, OK, I can try. I could do, you know, I can I'll give you a reading. I'll do this. I'll adopt this this character that you've presented.
And then if you do it in your way or you embody it and they like that then all of a sudden you become an actor
and which is also internally like a conflict right because you're like well I'm giving you
my interpretation of this this reading right but it's me it's it's me and you're telling me that
I'm not me you're telling me that I'm acting as as somebody else so it you know this
recent well maybe it's not even recent anymore but I don't know if you guys caught when Jim Carrey
had his little sort of he had a spat of of red carpet encounters where he really talked some
esoteric not esoteric existential you conversation about who is, who is the avatar, who is the
artist, who is the character that they perceive. I certainly don't think that I am, well, actually,
I know. Here's another thing. Kenny is a figment of my imagination. And now he was too. And I've
projected this, this OG Kenny, which is another, you know derivative of kenny into the minds of at least
five of us in the room but it's not me but am i acting or am i creating consciously you see
it's all blurred it's all muddled up
in a delightful way like in in a randomized sort of I wouldn't do this if it wasn't fun for me.
So by being present to what comes up and through,
it almost like, you know, like a channel would do
in the woo woo, right?
As they would say, oh, well, you know, it wasn't me anyway.
It was just allowing this expression through me.
That's fun to me.
That's what I perceive when I play those sort of roles.
Understandable.
I mean, you're talking about the artistic persona.
I mean, you know, which is removed from who you are.
And yeah, I mean, very fascinating, very interesting.
Yeah. And well, yeah, fascinating and interesting. And also on the sort of the inner work,
you know, the reflection, inner reflection side of things, it it's almost a daunting uh to tackle what person what could even be perceived
as a multi-personality sort of disorder you know it's who is like with jim's jim carrey's thing
it's like he's played so many roles so many parts so so thrown himself so far into these characters that that his conversation seemed to revolve around if you truly are an art
um you know an actor and and you get into the role so far that you lose oneself
or perhaps you detach from the you know you you anchors up and you're open seas right you're
literally a vessel for for whatever wants to be that's something that is
something too i didn't used to be like this ken i i really didn't i used to be a very ego-driven
kind of self-loving um i mean i was a boxer right so an egoist you could say uh and it was it was only really the humbling of of a sort of
an awakening of being in doing something more than self gratification you know self
serving survival at the time but like you know do something for others and perhaps that
that helps only,
and maybe artists who are listening on this,
on a recording, whatever,
they could probably relate to this.
It's like when you get out of the way,
something else comes in.
And it's an inspiration that perhaps
it isn't even what you set out to do.
Like I didn't set out to become a spaces host at all,
but I do enjoy it now.
Well, you know, sometimes we don't we don't our plan path doesn't always go as it, you know, life happens and things change and we evolve.
And, you know, it's funny because you were talking about Jim Carrey
and creating, dissolving into the character,
into who you, the person you create,
the persona you create, the artistic persona. And I, I believe,
uh, you know, obviously, um, uh, Carrie and I'll just use very quickly, uh, most famously,
you know, uh, when he was on the set of man on the moon, when he played Andy Kaufman,
um, he wanted to be addressed as Andy Kaufman, all the actors and everybody. And that might be an artistic trick on his part.
But I believe, and this is my feeling,
that I believe all artists need to do that,
perhaps not in which you relate to humanity as the artist.
But you need, when you create, and I've written two novels, and I've experienced this, and I needed to become that person who is narrating the book.
person who was narrating the book.
I had to become,
not in my personal life with my wife and other people,
but when I wrote those books, I had
to become those characters. And they had to live in my head.
And I believe when you write poetry, all are great
poets. From Cummings to wh you know, to whomever you want, you know to absorb the boundless energy of creativity with the language.
And you have to become the language.
I mean, for it to be the purest poetry.
Or whatever. Hip-hop, rap rap whatever um and i do believe that
you know in which you lose yourself in a language you know the best way to lose just i really love
improv whether it's stand-up whether it's uh you know uh rap you know like freestyle um whether
it's even just dance you know just the i love being in that chaotic
unknowing what what's going to happen next yeah you know it's it's something that is is it takes
us away a little bit from the almost obsessively compulsive like um you, search for perfection, perhaps.
I've been a perfectionist a long time.
So not being a perfectionist is a joy these days.
Right.
Letting go and just letting it be whatever it is.
No doubt. I mean, I think, you know, with the difference with, you know, creating Off the Cuff and Ad Lib and, you know, stand, you know, freestyle, whatever, is there's no difference with actual writing is you're actually able to edit. I mean, that is in the moment, you know, with
No doubt.
No doubt.
writing, you're, you're able to say, okay, this doesn't work with, let's say a freestyle. You
have to, you have to be good right there. There's no editing, you know? Um, and, uh, and that's,
that's true, you know, with, uh, you know, slam poetry or whatever and anything that is in the moment.
So it's just a different art form, but, you know, the same creative process.
Yeah, I think for myself, having been paralyzed by perfection, you know, preventing progress and all those things,
paralyzed by perfection, you know, preventing progress and all those things. So many times,
holding back from, it doesn't feel, it doesn't, it feels absolutely opposite to what I want to do.
I never really want any, any premeditated truths, because is it then really true is it really that opinion of an of a in a conversation like
when you're holding your lovers you know when you're dancing when you're when you're embraced
in in a moment right you're you haven't got any attachments to anything you're truly let's say
you're you're with a lover for the first time and there's there's no knowing what's going to happen like that excitement is you can't
replace that and and i think in some ways improv gives that kind of thrill that kind of excitement
of like this is completely un you know unpredictable i love that man but at the same time
it's interesting that you can if you want to sit down and create a whole
world even multiple characters like you said ken like you you could like that was interesting what
you said like you weren't just the author but you also embodied each character in the thing
to me that's something that would be like it, that must be so consuming. Like literally probably if I attempted to do that,
I'd have to probably go away to the mountain or something, you know,
go to the cabin, get away from everyone to do something such like that.
Yeah. Yeah.
So, so what were your novels about? Like what, what, what is your,
what do you like uh i usually write about uh how we connect how we either connect or fail to connect as human beings
um i i write about our connection to society um our connection i mean they are relationship books but not in
the traditional sense um they are very profane many and often very profane uh very does that
mean swearing uh yeah yeah there's a lot of yeah and and also boundary breaking i i i believe uh
too often uh that we are and something this goes back to what you were talking about before,
in which we kind of don't express ourselves purely.
And what I want to do with both books is to break some boundaries of the niceties of culture.
break some boundaries, um, of the niceties of, of culture. And, um, so they are very, um,
um, let me put it transgressive in many ways. Um, but you know, not in, not in the popular
culture view, you know, they, they explore sexual boundaries. They explore, um, and not,
not, not explicit sex, but how we think about it.
And they explore relationships,
but really more the culture.
I really look in both ways.
My first book was semi-autobiographical when I was young, but the second book was a multi-character exploration
of how people relate to each other or fail to relate to each other in America today.
That's really what it was about.
So, you know, and you're right.
You have to you have to live those characters.
So they live in your head and you're constantly thinking you're constantly thinking like other people.
And you got dialogue running around your head. my wife was like okay enough enough of you bring me
so that's the thing is that because in some ways in some ways if you're creating a fictional
or not even a fictional if you're observing another character and then and then
ah man if you I find that it would be really difficult for me not to self-censor if I gave
more shits about other people's opinions right because I'd really I think that I can't be like
that because otherwise I would be stumbling over my words all the time.
You know, I wouldn't. Yeah. Yeah. I just have to be myself.
And that's the thing. I can't I can't have a desire not to because to me that would be inauthentic.
And then I'm like, oh, no, like I didn't tell that. You know, I had an opportunity to speak to Ken.
I was on stage all like, you know, and I told him all the things that I wanted to tell him and I didn't hold back.
And then I cut away from that experience knowing that, OK, whatever that interaction, the fruits of it become, you know, I was honest.
I was, you know, up front and I shared my truth. And that's like I try to do it in every interaction, too.
and I shared my truth. And that's like I try to do it in every interaction too, right? So
whether it's recorded or not, it's like that to me is the mark of, I don't know, maybe that's a
marker or maybe there's an ego attached to that. It's like, I am attached to this idea that, oh no,
someone's going to call you a liar or call you out as being inauthentic or something. I'm like,
no, no, no. you come and say hello like
come and say what you need to say because i'm gonna tell you exactly what i think right and
that's something that i don't know if artistry or not or or singer or actor or writer i don't know if
if if really any creative wants to shut uh censor themselves in any way but we do and we and it's a shame I think it's
not a shame but it's it's it's annoying right absolutely and you should be able to swear and
curse and say whatever story you like of course of course I mean yes I mean it's language I mean
it's language I mean it's George Carlin uh and Richardryor. I mean, the great stand up comics who explore the profane as they as they showed us.
It's it's language.
And what is obscene is to be obsessed, to be to censor yourself.
The obscenity is censoring yourself. Now, it doesn't mean you have to, you want to offend people, but
the people who are offended by the language have to ask themselves, why does this offend me?
And I think it's more, you know, I mean, we have seen some great, great, great, you know,
profane comics over the years.
And it's not, they're not, they're just using the language.
They're not, they're not insulting anybody.
They're just using it.
Telling it how it is.
You know, and so that's the reality of what, and I do believe one of the things that does
create self-censorship in society, of course, is commercial acceptance.
Because people say, oh, is this going to sell?
Or am I going to lose part of my audience?
And I think that is something.
And I don't mean, I don't think, I mean, that goes with politics, that goes with
cultural things, that transcends the profane, that is everything. And, you know, people often
then write lyrics, they write books, they write music, oh, maybe they paint. Will this be accepted?
And once you start thinking, will this be accepted and will this sell, you have lost
the plot in my mind. Because then you become a carpenter and a plumber instead of an artist.
And I'm not denigrating carpenters and plumbers.
They do important work.
What I'm saying is you become functional instead of just creative.
Yeah, the purpose is not the same.
I always say it like that.
Are you coming or
going it's it's what is the intention inside is it to create or is it to provide you know and and i
think that in some ways we can dance between them all and if and if actually you have a wider range
of buddies then it's more entertaining and playful because you can create little worlds or scenarios like
in a moment and then move on to the next but you could also relate to where they are coming from
because most people and i think that's what the comedians the great comedians you mentioned before
i think that's the real skill is being able to take an audience or or the person that you're
speaking to on a journey with your words and you
didn't even do anything you didn't touch them you didn't hurt them you didn't
like you said you didn't necessarily have to even insult them but you created
a movement of emotion within someone else sure wow no even with your books you
know if with books if you have an intention if there is an intention
to affect or expect the outcome of any other then does that distract or dilute from the from the
creative like inputters that that made the thing it's like if you truly are the artist right you
it doesn't matter what anybody's saying or thinking or feeling or how they respond but it does because otherwise but that's the thing that's the little nuance
i i don't believe any artist is immune to that oh absolutely completely great i mean that is so true
full fact i mean that's absolutely true i mean anybody, anybody who says, oh, I don't care if, you know, if nobody hears this or nobody likes this, that doesn't matter.
Well, then you're just masturbating.
I mean, let's face it.
I mean, you're not doing anything.
You're trying to create to communicate with people.
You want people to read. Now, you know, if people ultimately say, oh, that didn't work for me.
Okay, that's fine.
That's okay.
But, you know, you can't say, oh, I don't care if people read it or people like it at all.
Well, you want some acceptance.
I mean, there's no doubt. But that doesn't mean
if it's half and half, 50-50,
like, not like,
that you failed. No.
It just means that you
got reactions. You got strong
reactions. I'd rather people not
like it than people say, ah,
I don't care about it.
I was just bored.
Forget it.
Okay, well, we're coming up on the hour here. We've got about I don't care about it. It didn't, I was just bored. Yeah. Forget it. Okay.
Well,
we're coming up on the hour here.
We've got about just over five minutes left.
We'll keep it to a tidy hour.
Shout out Mark Powers.
You were up on stage before,
and then I guess there was this connection.
Good to see you.
If anyone would like to ask a question to OG Kenny,
then please come up and also shout out to John King from the Authenticity Institute and Trusted and True, who's in the audience, working with Wes Kuzmal along with Suzanne.
So Mark Powers, you would be a brilliant space with John, and also OG Kenny, you would as well, if you want to, of course.
And also OG Kenny, you would as well, if you want to, of course.
John's been working in technology for years, like decades.
So just planting that seed there.
We've got lots of Spaces hosts in the room.
But yeah, would anyone like to ask OG Kenny a question or any other thoughts anyone would like to jump into?
Sure. I only give him three seconds to get at me like that, Edward, you know, like
I'm very quick with the, you know, deflections and knocking them off tilt a little bit. Cause
I was actually going to say, Oh, Susan's been up here for a little bit and we haven't in,
you know, interrogated her just yet. You know, like firstly, I wanted to know what creative outlet that you were into um but
yeah sure ask me anything you want guys I'm an open book and that's one thing I think that I
do enjoy about being in spaces being in uh creative places um in many different ways
it's a challenge I like to challenge new ways to communicate I'm not always been
I haven't always been um good at communicating I in my own assessment of course um so so being out
of in my comfort zone out of my comfort zone is is where I've I guess I thrive um for my own weird like I just said it's it's kind of painful
right because Ken hit it on the head um we don't want to care but we care and it's painful so
it's painful and cringe um but at the same time it is also something that very, very, um, it's very, very,
it's an accelerated process of advancing self-development.
I believe not that that's why I started any of this,
but that's like a side effect of, of realizing, Oh,
Hmm. You put yourself out there quite a lot. Um, Now you can see a lot more of what you might have missed, the blind spots.
Okay. Susan, are you there?
Yeah. She might have gone away for a cup of tea.
No, no, no. I'm here. I just had to put my speaker button. Yes. We're encouraging everybody to be in my spaces where I always encourage everybody to grab the mic.
I always say, listen, everybody come up and say hello. Right.
Because this whole thing for me, this new medium, this spaces thing, it isn't it isn't radio.
It's not it's not like I joke around.
It's a radio show, but it's not.
It's something that is different.
We're all in this together.
It's more like a melting pot.
So do you write as well or sing or do?
What do you do, Susan?
Well, right now I spend almost all of my time working for the Authenticity Institute, but a former life and kind of nibbling in my current life.
I was and still am a singer songwriter of children's music, which is kind of way out of the league of you guys.
but it brings me great pleasure and well you mean like nursery rhymes like
But it brings me great pleasure.
like geared towards children no not that simple sort of educational fun stuff
things that explain things in a fun way that have you know that use big words
and I was the music lady at my local nursery
school for about 13 years. And I would just make up things about daily life. I had a song
about chicken pox. I had a song about having mice in your house. I had a song about, you
know, just about anything you can think of in a kid's life. I made up a song about and
I just had the greatest time. And my fondest wish is to live long enough to complete all those songs and
you know sort of fix up my catalog and spread it around more than I have.
I have a website and a minimal YouTube channel but I could
have so much fun doing so much more. I just felt so much more connected to your face.
Like, that could not even be you, right?
Like, this is the crazy thing about the internet.
You could put a completely random picture up, but you told that story.
And I'm like, oh, my God, I see you, this big smile, and all these kids around.
And you're just singing to them.
It's cool.
I'm not going to put you on the spot to sing one for us,
unless you wanted to.
I've got two little ones, you see,
so it warms my heart to hear people who love me.
You do?
Oh, I should say.
Yeah, I've got an eight and a four, and they are the love of my life,
and they just keep me on my toes all the time and I
and I think that in a way this little I mean Edward says these little rhymes and these little
songs that I sing on spaces is really inspired by them too so I'll feel you you know
your kids are my audience. There you go. Exactly. Yeah.
Yeah.
And yeah, I do have something to say about do you do it for yourself or do you do it hoping somebody out there likes it?
And I would say that it's really both.
I do it because I love it.
I absolutely love taking a subject and giving it
rhythm and rhyme. The big challenge is making things rhyme and fit and sound good. I love doing
that. And who knows why? I think it started with Dr. Seuss when I was about five. I read
Scrambled Egg Super and I wanted to rhyme for the rest of my life. And anyhow, so I do it for myself,
but boy, do I love it when somebody says,
oh, man, I love that song.
I love that too.
I love that too.
You loved making it.
So, yeah, it's both.
It really is both.
You do it because it just makes you feel good to do it.
And when you touch somebody else and make them feel good, that's really a good feeling.
That's the human connection. That is the human connection.
Exactly. Exactly. It really is. Reaching out and touching somebody, somebody that you never met, but you somehow hear that oh man i really love that and my kids play
in the car all the time it's the only thing and the grown-ups are sick of it but the kids love
it you know things like that anyway well that's that's quite an quite an intro suzanne
Hi, John.
But I came in late.
I'm sorry.
I came in late.
But I would say that I did – I've done a couple things.
One is I did an internet radio show for about 20 different sessions for small businesses.
And it was a 20-minute to half-hour show where we could provide some information for small businesses
to be able to, you know, do things a little bit better than what they're doing.
And today I have a TV show I do with the Chamber of Commerce. And what we do is we interview
new chamber members. And in about a 20 minute show, we're trying a 20 minute to half hour show. We're we're trying to give them some exposure to the community so they might be able to get some more business or at least announce themselves out there.
So I like I like doing that.
I think it's a good way, a good medium.
And it puts you out there.
As you said, you're you're you know, somebody somebody hopefully will see this and uh and
recognize it so uh as as value for the person that's actually participating
yeah that value the value bit john is like that's the thing that i'd struggle with sometimes
because i'm like sometimes when we go too far into you know if we balance into the value of it and that's
subjective of course and then we start to judge ourselves right oh did i was that interesting was
that good enough was this any of that and i always think to myself forget that was it fun was it good
well did everybody have a nice time like did did everybody or did they get out of it what you
what you wanted to did you get off your chest what you wanted to say because some people don't leave
in a happy way you know um but that's what i love about the authenticity so i want to know what this
you guys have mentioned it two three times what what is that's what it is? Is it a business network for the, sorry, you guys said it before, Authenticity Council?
No, it's Authenticity Institute.
It is not a business network as such.
It is really an organization that's developing tools for entrepreneurs in a particular vertical that they can use to bring authenticity
to their particular situation. So we have this trusted and true, which is the dating app.
And so that is providing a level of authenticity of the individuals who are participating in the
of the individuals who are participating in the dating app.
And so therefore we know who these people are.
And so you can rest somewhat assured that it's not a fake profile
and someone's not trying to catfish you.
All right.
That's a new, yeah, that seems to be a new threat, right,
to a lot of us.
It's a major threat, right? It a lot of us. It's a major threat, right?
It's a major threat.
No doubt.
And just when anybody starts asking you for money over the internet,
you probably want to maybe tune to a different channel.
Yeah, you say goodbye immediately.
Goodbye immediately.
Once they ask for money, you say goodbye.
Wednesday after money, you say goodbye.
It's a little after 10, I need to do an interview in a half hour with a musician.
So I have to depart, everyone.
And Edward, thank you for hosting us.
And I want to thank everybody for indulging me with my, I'm sorry, I spoke too
much, but I want to thank everybody for being here. Thank you. Thanks, Ken. Good chat, brother.
Been a great space. Yeah. Yeah. Clothing thoughts, I guess. Would anyone like to
Clothing thoughts, I guess.
Would anyone like to say anything else, I guess,
before we finish it off?
And, yeah, thanks so much, Kenny, for coming up.
It's been great.
It's been emotional, as they said,
in lock, stock and two smoking barrels.
It's been emotional, mate.
You know what I mean?
I don't have nothing to say,
but thank you so much for exposing me to a new conversation.
I really had a good time. Thanks, man.
Well, I have to say we loved hearing your exposed self.
You said a lot of things that resonated probably not only with me,
but with everybody in this room.
Absolutely.
You have a way of saying things that we all kind of know,
but never really said out loud.
Thank you for that.
Likewise, Susan.
I enjoyed our shares together.
I mean, to me, this is like a warmup.
I was like, oh, guys, guys, Ken's got to go.
John's got to go.
Edward's like always edging to the door.
He's like, let's wrap it up
let's wrap it up i put a song down below edward that's a new music from the tang gang i've got
to put it on the recording because otherwise no one's gonna bloody get it out there see
so it's down below it's yammy.mp3 he's a member of the grove and he's put out tons of like you know um fun ones too right like spoof songs and stuff and and just
really he's put his creativity to the journey that we've all been going through with this crypto
stuff and he's just dropped another one a couple days ago so it's fresh and it's called ghosted and
and if you i don't know if you've got the facilities to do the thing but i'm late at night
here but anyway anyone who's, it's in the comments.
And Ken, I'm sure you'll love it as a music critique.
Yeah.
I will look forward to listening.
Yes, thank you.
Okay, well, thanks a lot, guys.
Yeah, this space is, I could do another three, four, five hours.
This is been one of those spaces. But yeah, trying to just keep it to an hour, I guess.
Not not always the way that I host, but as it's getting late.
And yeah, thanks for coming up, John. Thanks, Kenny. Thanks, everyone. Thanks, Mark.
Thanks, Big Bud. Thanks, everyone. Thanks, Suzanne.
Same time next week. Don't you hit your phone? How am I supposed to feel love when you're never home?
Gave you all my attention.
I'll only mention you.
But lately you've been testing.
What am I supposed to do?
Maybe if I give you time, you'll finally respond.
But it's been a few days.
Feels like something's wrong.
Got a feeling in my chest.
Like you're ready to move on, hold on, though I feel
I'm sorry, I'm sorry
I'm sorry, I'm sorry
I'm sorry, I'm sorry
I'm sorry, I'm sorry I had to get it in there, bro.
Thank you so much for having me on the show.
I think I've been well behaved tonight.
See you later, brother. E aí
