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Music Village® Tuesdays 5 : June 24 2025
Recorded: June 24, 2025 Duration: 0:59:45Space Recording
Short Summary
In a lively discussion, participants explored the launch of the Music Village platform, reflecting on the current trends in global politics and their impact on the crypto community. The conversation also delved into the dynamics of partnerships within the music industry, drawing parallels to the collaborative nature of blockchain projects.
Full Transcription
and we're live welcome everyone hey ken good to see you can't wait to get you up on stage lots
to chat about.
I was a minute late starting today. My phone was freezing up, so apologies for that.
If anyone was waiting for a minute there. Yeah, it's week, God, it's going quickly, isn't it?
Week five already of Music Pillage. So there we go. Over a month in. I think it's going great.
There we go. Over a month in. I think it's going great.
Last week's space, and I'd love to ask Ken about this when he is on stage, but last week's space I thought was really good.
I thought last week's space, listening to Ken chat with Kenny, though Ken and Kenny were chatting, I thought it was brilliant.
I thought it was a great chat. How are you, Ken?
Edward, how are you? How are you this morning? Is everything good?
Oh, yeah, I'm doing great, thanks. Yeah, how are you, Ken? Edward, how are you? How are you this morning? Is everything good? Oh yeah, I'm doing great, thanks. Yeah, how are you, Ken?
I'm very, very well. It's a beautiful day here in Southern California, so things are good.
And are we awaiting other people to join us here?
Yeah, I guess so. We're always waiting for other people to join up until everyone on earth arriving and being in the audience.
Yeah.
How are things with you?
Have you been busy?
And what is new with you?
Yeah, kind of.
There's a lot going on. There's a lot going on.
There's a lot going on.
I can't say too much at the moment,
but I'm trying to get the platform Music Village live as soon as possible.
So I'm kind of working on that behind the scenes,
and that's been a bit of a strange story.
But apart from that, there's obviously a lot going on in the world.
I'm not going to take it to politics, but obviously there's been some.
Well, you know, obviously, obviously, since we are, I won't get political, but obviously, since we're directly involved now, you know, this country is bitterly divided over what is happening with us getting involved, which we really,
from my point of view, we should not be. But yeah, I mean, this country does not want to go
down this path, but unfortunately we're going down this path.
And it's a dangerous time in the world.
I will say that.
Let me put it that way.
Yeah, I agree with you, Ken.
And I think it's not political to say that.
You know, it's not like we're picking a side.
It's just it's a dangerous time and people are divided and that is not a good thing.
And so I'm fully with you.
Yeah, you know, and I mean, obviously, this country, you know, America, United States has been been involved in wars.
And whether people can argue whether or not this is a war or not that the United States is involved in, but we basically are.
And we've been involved in wars.
We were involved in Iraq.
We were involved in, you know, from the Gulf War and everything.
And the people in this country are just exhausted and do not want to be involved in this, to
involved in this, to be honest with you. And, uh, you know, and, uh, I, I don't know how close
be honest with you.
you pay attention to what is happening in the United States, but, uh, it's just been very,
very difficult for all of us to see us raining bombs on, on Iran. And we understand Iran, um,
on Iran and we understand Iran has been, has fostered terror all around the world.
Nobody's saying, oh my goodness, you know, we're all, you know, we're indifferent to what is
happening, but, you know, we just don't, we just don't want to be involved. I mean, honestly,
you know, and it's, it's you know, and it's a struggle.
It's a struggle to watch.
Yeah, my friend messaged me the other day.
We went to a peace rally 20 years ago for the war in Iraq.
We were talking 2005, and he was saying, can you believe it's going to happen?
Well, may happen again.
All over again, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah.
I mean, obviously, I was adamantly opposed to the war in Iraq.
And it obviously was a fiasco.
You know, thousands of American troops perished.
And it was one of the worst times in the United States.
And obviously, it led to an economic disaster in the country, which had so many other components to it.
But, yeah, I mean, it's just, honestly, I don't understand us getting involved, but we are. I mean, and, you know,
they, they talked about a ceasefire and we won't make this a political we'll make,
we'll, we'll go to music. But the thing is, um, uh, you know, they, they said there was a ceasefire
and now there's no ceasefire. They're raining bombs on each other. Iran and Israel are already raining bombs on each other.
And, you know, where we look like chumps again, you know, it's ridiculous. So, and this, the,
the biggest point that I want to make is that people lose their lives here, you know, and people die. And
in the world today, people talk about politics, people talk about this, but life is,
to many people, unfortunately, life is cheap. They don't, they don't see the cost of war
They just don't see it
And don't understand
That people
If five people die
That's too many
You know
What we're seeing now
Is tragic in my mind
You know
It really is
And I don't want to see it continue, to be honest with you.
So that's where I'm from.
Yeah, and I'm glad you said it.
And I think that this live spaces medium is a great place to flip the switch
and, yeah, occasionally not talk about music necessarily,
but talk about something more important.
Because at the end of the day, if we're not here, if we dead what good is music that's right if you can't it's our lives
i mean it really is our lives and in the past when we bomb other countries.
It comes back in terrorist operations frequently in the United States.
I mean, obviously, you know, the biggest one is 9-11.
But we have seen smaller ones across the country.
And, you know, and people in the United States are worried frequently about going to malls, going to, you know, movie theaters.
I mean, obviously, and a lot of it is domestic terror.
A lot of it is domestic terror.
You know, people from different political point of views, you know, shooting people or bombing others.
But a lot of time, it's foreign domestic terror.
You know, foreign terror groups.
And right now, well, if we're propagating war overseas, it's going to come back to us.
And people are on edge.
And it's not a happy place to be.
Let me put you that way.
So are all the people on edge then in America?
Is everyone in the same kind of boat psychologically?
They're all just tired of this.
They don't want this.
Well, you know, obviously there are the warmongers.
There are the people who think, oh, peace through strength.
And, you know, bombing is good.
It's okay.
You know, we're not really in a war.
You know, they don't want to say it's a war because they don't want, you know,
for so long Trump has said,
oh, we're never going to be in a foreign war.
We're never going to be,
we're going to stay out.
America first, we're going to stay out.
He campaigned on that
and he's in office five months
and he's already bombing people.
So there are his hardcore supporters
who will defend him no matter what.
But they're also the very conservative, very hardcore right that want only to take care of America and they don't want any involvement anywhere.
anywhere, and they're against it too, and of course, then you have the people who are
just fatigued of being involved in a foreign war, especially a mere, you know, the fiasco
in Afghanistan, the fiasco in Iraq, I mean, we're at a point where, hey, we do not want this. And it's not just me. I mean,
really. I live in California and it is the most liberal state, most progressive. So,
you know, my area, obviously, where I live is against very, very against the war.
But, you know, I would say the temperature of the country is against foreign involvement at this point, to be honest with you.
That's, yeah, very, very interesting.
Would you say that's different to the past?
Like in, say, before Afghanistan and Iraq, was there a similar feeling of, I would say most, see Iraq came after 9-11. So there was that, there was that feverish
kind of, we, we have to get back whoever it was, even if Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11.
We know they did not.
So in America at that time, people were like, we have to inflict our will.
We're going to show them.
So there were a lot of people who were for the Iraq war.
War for the Iraq war.
And, but once the details, once American soldiers started dying, and once the details of what we were doing came out, the tide turned.
But here, I think for the most part, the country, unlike Iraq, in which there was that feverish post 9-11, we cannot be pushed around.
Here, it's like, we don't want this.
We really don't, you know.
So that's what I would say is the difference.
You know, obviously, Afghanistan was just a quagmire.
It was, we had no idea what we were doing there.
We were just stuck in the mud.
We didn't know how to fight.
You know, the Afghans understood, you know, the Afghanis,
and they understood what they were doing to Pakistan, you know,
all throughout that region.
And we just got stuck in the mud.
And that lasted an eternity. And people were totally fatigued. They just wanted to please get out, 20 years, you know, coming, coming, uh, after, you know, what, 40, 50 years after Vietnam, you know, in, in which we,
but, you know, after Vietnam came the Gulf War and, uh, under Bush, Bush senior, and then Bush
junior got us into Iraq and, you know,
and deeper into Afghanistan.
So it's been a mess,
honestly.
And people,
people just say,
you know,
stay out.
Diplomacy.
Diplomacy is the way to go.
It feels like the higher diplomats are sort of like the ones that are talking us into the fight.
The people that should know better.
That's right.
I don't know.
Yeah, it's a crazy time.
So it's hard.
Like when you said, what have you been up to and stuff?
It's hard not to just have been thinking about this for the week, even if you don't follow politics much, because it, it's mentally takes over your mind, but it actually affects you.
It's all consuming. It is.
No matter what, no matter what we want to talk, think about and talk about when the world is in
turmoil. And obviously, you know, I mean, when you think about it, I mean, we, I mean, the people in Ukraine, I mean, they've been on the siege from Russia for, I mean, you know, for, what, three years now. And obviously the horrendous humanitarian disaster going on in Gaza.
I mean, it's so horrific, the starvation.
And I mean, we need, there's so much going on in the world that it can feel overwhelming.
in the world that it can feel overwhelming.
You know, in parts of Africa, you know, Congo, Rwanda,
you know, the civil wars, Myanmar, which is close to you, Edward.
You know, I mean, what is going on all throughout the world,
it can be intimidating.
Just intimidating to consider the amount of death
that is happening as we just live our lives.
It can be very difficult to deal with.
Yeah, the stuff going on in Gaza is horrific.
It is?
Clearly wrong.
It's clearly disproportionate.
Whatever happened at the start, it's clearly not right.
And the question is, why is it not stopping?
And why have people at this point ignored it, really?
I mean, it's really sad that, I mean, there are starving people there.
And now it's like almost out of mind.
People aren't even paying attention.
And it's such a tragedy because that is the churn of the news cycle that we get, you know?
I mean, that is happening, but things are happening so, that is happening,
and what goes on in the rest of the world supersedes it, and people forget, you know?
And that's why it's important for the voices to keep talking about it and keep bringing to the surface and make people confront the humanitarian crisis.
this medium will have an effect because there'll be people that you know we probably first few
weeks we've had i think 20 25 playbacks which is pretty good it's you know 20 people listening to
something that you're talking about but people people will tune into this week and they'll be
like oh they went straight to what's going on in and that will speak volumes you know that'll be
like oh yeah it because you like you're communicating a message by breaking the pattern of we talk about music,
we talk about music, or we talk about anything, really, if it's serious.
And I think that's good.
Yeah.
So, I mean, what is the perception where you are of what is going on, Edward?
How is it being received and reported?
So this is in Thailand.
Right.
I'm in a bit of a bubble
because I don't get newspapers.
I don't get too much Western media.
I follow the internet.
As far as people here, let me think.
As far as people here, let me think.
I don't feel I've felt anything.
I haven't had a conversation with people in Thailand in the last week
where they've mentioned it.
I suspect that it scares them a bit,
but it doesn't directly involve them.
There isn't talk of Thailand is going to join one side or the other,
but they'll have it in their mind.
No, because they're not really players militarily.
I mean, they're, you know, understandably.
But, I mean, do you get reports?
Do you get some information either via the internet or whatever?
What kind of reports do you get?
Yeah, I follow that.
I follow Twitter a lot.
I follow, I guess it's algorithmic, but I follow different people on Twitter.
And so I'm kind of following it through that.
And then I'll just get an overview on the BBC, which I don't trust as a site.
But it is.
So it's like the headline now is Israel around ceasefire appears to hold after Trump outbursts at both sides.
I mean, I'll see a headline like that.
And OK, that's enough.
I'll walk away for a bit.
So, yeah, I'm staying abreast of it because I live abroad.
Right. Right.
It's slightly different.
What does it look like if America and China go to war
And I'm in Thailand
Well, I would suspect that that doesn't look good for Westerners living in Thailand, I would say
No, no, no, no, no
I mean, obviously this can't spread
I mean, obviously, I think China, Russia, they're going to stay out of it
They want no part of this
And, you know, Russia's got their hands full with Ukraine.
And China's just going to sit back and watch.
I mean, they're just going to let whatever happens happen.
And there's no reason for them to get involved.
And so, but I think the danger is, you know, Iran is a sponsor, their proxies,, you know, they can go rogue.
They can do whatever they want.
And they can be activated.
And we just don't know.
You know, so, I mean, I think us bombing the Iran, you know, can spur terrorist action
anywhere in the world against
American interests.
That's the danger.
Yeah, and it can also ripple back in the future
like you said before.
It doesn't just stop. It's
generational things.
I've got hope that this
will... We can find a way out of this
somehow i feel that yeah the the lethargy people have they don't want another war it can be stopped
i think i think it can and in fact my campaign reform pink floyd is is based on stop world war
three i i think that the episode you were not here, I talked about it, but I have been working
on a campaign to get Pink Floyd back together to try and share the message of, yeah, stop World
War three. So that's, yeah. So maybe we could get Polly Samson in or Dave Gilmore one day. I would
love to invite them to get back together. We need something like that. Yeah, yeah.
You know, I was looking at the ages of some of these guys, some of the older.
And, you know, I didn't realize Roger Waters is 81 years old.
Yeah.
I mean, everybody from that generation is getting older, you know, because yesterday, Mick Routh, one of the founding members of Mata Hoople, and, you know, all the, he was just an integral, integral guitar player of that generation of the, you know, late 60s,
70s. And, and he died in 81. And what made me think about it was I was having a conversation
with a friend about aging rock stars. And he taught, he was talking about Roger Waters.
And I looked up his age and he's 81 years old.
So Gilmore has to be around that age, too.
And, you know, we better appreciate these guys now because they do not live forever.
And that's a scary thought, you know?
Yeah.
Yeah, good point.
And appreciate them whilst they're here.
They don't live forever, and they're here. They don't live forever and they're one-offs too.
It's not like next year there'll be another one.
Like one out, one in.
This is it forever.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You know, because we've seen, we've been losing many classic, you know,
Sly Stone and we've lost a lot of, I mean, can we consider the Stones,
they're all in their 80s, McCartney's in his 80s, so, I mean, all the classic bands that it's a it's a it's a
they're at a point where
you know
they can't be around forever
that's the unfortunate
thing but it's reality
I'll be pushing for it in my own unique
way I'm gonna
you know reform Pink Floyd
I'm gonna keep pushing so yeah crazy times Pink Floyd. I'm going to keep pushing. So yeah, crazy times.
Who would have thought five weeks ago where we started this,
that five weeks in we'd be talking about Pink Floyd reforming,
but also World War III.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's a dangerous thing. Yeah. So which is, you know,
and, and we've been dealing with, I mean, war has been in our consciousness to the past, you know, three years.
I mean, the war in Ukraine, the war in Russia, the war in Gaza, and now the war in Iran.
Now the war in Iran.
And I would like to live in a time.
And I know it's kind of a utopian way.
But in which.
And obviously the wars in Africa have been going on.
Congo and Rwanda.
They've been going on for a while.
But you know.
When war is at the top of your consciousness,
it can be so exhausting and so, uh, defeating, you know, because you're trying to be,
you're trying to be positive in a way. And, um, but you realize people are dying somewhere and obviously people are dying everywhere, but people are dying needlessly.
You know, it's very, very. It's very intimidating, very, very unfortunate.
Yeah, it's hard to keep the vibe high, isn't it? when, you know, people are suffering elsewhere and it's just going on. It's like that scene in, I think it was the wall, I think. Maybe it was another brick in the wall where the children are on the elevator, not an elevator, like the escalator. And then they're sort of yeah you know I mean
obviously
the human condition is about
life
you know birth
death suffering
I mean it's who we are
but when it's needless
when it's
when
when power becomes so paramount to certain leaders, certain factions in the world, that, you know, they inflict suffering as we see, as we saw, as we see Russia and Ukraine, as we see, you know, they inflict suffering as we see, as we saw, as we see Russia on Ukraine, as we see,
you know, Hamas on October 7th and Israel back, and then now Israel invading Iran,
and then Iran raining bombs back. I mean, this cycle of violence just, I mean, throughout human history, obviously it's, you know, the story of human history is the story of violence and suffering.
I mean, it just is.
I mean, no matter what, it goes all the way back to ancient history was war.
But at a point, we have to, as a civilization, have to say, you know, is this madness?
You know, Joseph Conrad in the Heart of Darkness, which was adapted into the brilliant movie Apocalypse Now, you know, the guy goes down
the river to meet the insane general, and what he discovers is the horror, that in the heart of man
is the horror, the madness. And if anybody listening has never read The Heart of Darkness
by Joseph Conrad, one of the greatest books ever
written or seen Apocalypse Now by Francis Ford Coppola. What we're seeing right now is the horror,
the madness. And it just continues and continues. Because, you know, even though Trump can say, oh,
we're going to have peace, peace, love, love, you love, we have a ceasefire. Well, there's no ceasefire.
They're bombing again.
So, this
is madness.
Yeah.
Great analogy as well.
In the apocalypse now, when he's,
Martin Sheen has gone, the character Martin Sheen
has gone down the river, and that's where
Molan Brando is.
Molan Brando, yeah.
Colonel Currie. Colonel Currie. the river and that's where uh molan brando is colonel curds colonel curds yeah colonel curds and colonel curds is out of his mind you know
and and he you know he he blows up that camp uh he blows up that camp in the hope, you know, that that would end that madness.
But what we know and what we understood in, I mean, obviously he, he put that in Vietnam. He,
he, uh, Coppola made that in Vietnam because that was the ultimate madness war. Um, but the,
the madness just continued, you know, um, uh, you know, and, uh, it's, it's tragic.
Uh, it really is.
We're at a point where it's, uh, we don't, we're not really sure when the cycle ends,
but, you know, as, as I said, you know, the story of human history is the story of conflict
and war.
It really is. I mean, I, I don't remember a time to be honest with you
in my life when there weren't major wars. I mean, as I said, uh, I, uh, when I was a very little,
little child, I mean, the Vietnam war was going on and then the, you know, it, it continued until, you know,
and I was, I was very young when it was, when it stopped. But, and then we went, the United
States went through war, like the Gulf War. And like I said, one war after another, after
another. And there's been very little peace in my lifetime very little and that's crazy one year to the next yeah that hasn't been a decade without it has it
no no i mean the afghanistan war went on for many years i mean went on for close to 20 years
insanity yeah no one wants war i mean i'm not obviously some people do but
like 99 of people don't want war so no so you wonder if if 99 so and it goes to show you
that the few people in power who want power they they become megalomaniacs and and they uh inflict you
know whatever the trauma in their psyche they inflict on other people you know and uh it's it's
it's it's really just a shame in many ways.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, well, fingers crossed next week it will be de-escalated again. But I feel that they're playing games,
so I'm not completely hopeful that the game playing is over.
But I am hopeful that people have had enough.
Yeah, yeah. I mean it's it's very difficult uh yeah so um well i'm uh so uh edward uh have you been uh have you been
listening to any music that you're interested in these days or are you listening to some of your old favorites? What have you been listening to?
Are you
just rely on your older
favorites?
I have got one of the weirdest
musical
listening styles that there is.
I like listening to the same
songs again and again and again and again.
Really?
And, yeah, maybe three or four.
I'll listen to three or four songs for a couple of hours a day sometimes,
and then sometimes not every day.
Then sometimes I'll listen to a song ten times in a row.
I don't only listen to them.
I'll listen to Bords of Canada, Body Holly, other stuff.
I don't, but generally 80% of the music I listen to is actually the same songs.
Those songs are In Dreams by Roy Orbison.
Oh, my goodness.
Yeah.
Sorry, I missed that.
No, I say that's wonderful.
Oh, Roy Orbison.
I love Roy Orbison.
Oh, really?
Awesome.
Well, yeah. what do you think about
you must know you must know um you you've seen blue velvet haven't you have you seen yeah one
of my favorites yeah i'm looking at a picture of it on my wall right here yeah yeah i mean you know
obviously that was uh integrated in that film brilliantly, you know. Yeah. That was where I loved it from.
Yeah.
Oh, sure.
Yeah.
I mean, everybody remembers that.
Yeah.
Now, what turned you on?
Is that what turned you on to Roy Arbusy?
You know, I think it was.
It was not the first time that I had listened to him.
My dad used to play him, you know, Broody.
But really, it was when I saw the In Dreams scene in Blue Velvet.
It struck a chord with me.
And I was like, oh, my God.
And I just can't put the song down.
See?
See, it's amazing the power of cinema to influence other people,
people, uh, um, what viewers, you know, on music and, uh, and, uh, and they get into your
subconscious and you, you can't, uh, you can't shake them. And they obviously, they turned you
on to Roy Orbison, which turned you on to other music by Roy Orbison, you know? So, um, it just
goes to the power of cinema and the power of art, how it resonates with each individual.
Yeah, absolutely.
And music and film is such a good combination.
And that particular scene,
it was a scene where Dennis Hopper's character was being violent,
but because the song was so beautiful,
it was that combination of violence and
yeah very yes that that that juxtaposition of violence and beauty which is which is very
common in david lynch's uh art in david lynch's films um it's it's uh in lost highway and other
other films he he does that and he was just a great uh filmmaker who understood music very
very well uh and integrated extremely well but yeah that's great roy orbiston so uh and you
mentioned buddy holly buddy holly so i mean uh you must you must like uh yeah older yeah my dad was the one really who used to play it was i guess it
was when he was a boy but he would play these songs again and again you know body only maybe
baby heartbeat yeah so i'd hear it every morning and then by the time i was like 18 or 19 then i
was i didn't like it before because i had my dad play well i liked it but
it wasn't my thing but when i was 18 and 19 i could say i actually like buddy holly i like he's
one of my favorites oh yeah yeah yeah i mean uh i have uh my the in my family uh my cousins who are much older than me, and they're still around, they're like 87.
And that's what they grew up on.
And they have always, when I was a kid growing up, very, very small, when I used to play my records, you know, they'd say, oh, listen to this.
This is what you need to listen to.
And they would play Buddy Holly and obviously all the people in the 50s.
they would say this is the music you know whether it be little richard or you know chuck berry and
buddy holliday and richie valens la bamba and they they they love that and that but i think
that kind of general generational um passing on passing of the, is how people basically understand the history of music, you know,
because I'm sure their parents, their cousins or their whatever grandparents pass down some
music to them, you know, and that's how people learn. I mean, uh, and, uh, so it's interesting. Uh, now let me, uh, let me ask you,
you, you've talked about Pink Floyd a lot. I know you, you talk about Pink Floyd a lot.
Where does your love for Pink Floyd come from? I think the first time I listened to it was,
I would have been, let's say 19 going on 20. and it was my first year of uni which is the year that i smoked
marijuana the first time yeah my friend jamie jamie from uh grantham he basically played time
for me now obviously time on dark side of the moon now Now, when I first heard it, he played it like it was the best thing ever.
He obviously was into it, but I wasn't at the time.
And so when he played Time, I couldn't quite piece it together as a piece of music
because it had all the sort of sound effects, basically, at the start.
I couldn't quite grasp it.
I sort of didn't get it in a sense but then at some
point i think it was gilmore's voice maybe not the first time i listened to it but at some point when
i was high or on mushrooms or something the way that gilmore sings you know hanging on in quiet
desperation is the english way and all this i was like oh my god this is poetry this isn't just music
and all this, I was like, oh my god, this is poetry.
This isn't just music. This is like, almost like a higher
level of it. It's like music and poetry. And I couldn't believe it.
I was just blown away. And then Animals, I just
couldn't stop listening to it since. I'm 43 now. That was
when I was, what, 19 or so?
Sure.
Yeah. what 19 or so sure yeah yeah yeah well yeah i mean you know and uh uh the music we listen to usually in um in in you know in university college you know that's that's the music that
usually makes the biggest impression on us frequently is because, you know, we are developing, our brains are developing, getting fully formed.
And those are the most impressionable times, really.
You know, obviously, very, very young has a very, very big imprint on us also.
But I think when you're somewhere between 17 and 25 that's the music you
hold on to most dearly um it's frequently so uh how are you trying to get Pink Floyd I mean
that is that's Pink Floyd back together I mean guys, those guys are not happy campers together. I mean,
how are you trying to do that? Well, this is where the timing comes in. Now, if you didn't
hear the episode a couple of weeks ago, I think I should say I've managed to get in contact with
Polly Samson, who's obviously Gilmore's wife. She's running his instagram account and i kind of realized that it was her and then
she put a phrase along the lines of pro roger people keep harassing us or it was like a phrase
like that and i said that's only poly only one person could have written that no one would say
pro roger people unless it was basically poly or dave probably i mean and then i realized she's a
photographer and because she was doing gilmore's madison square garden photos i would pieced it
together so i put a little message in there uh as a little sort of how can i say like a teaser
and she replied the next day to the message and then i said another message yeah i'll say i'll
i'll actually share the link of it with you uh so you've seen it because uh uh it was kind of
and then the next message was basically sounded like it came from gilmore because it said just
to let you know this is not dave's official account like it's at gilmore so i the i was
actually trying to send a message to Gilmore.
That's what I was trying to do through her.
So I probably didn't send it subtly enough.
But, yeah, that was that.
So as far as how I'm doing it, I'm making media and videos for it and trying to time the release of them at the right time.
But the crux of it seems to be that Polly and Dave,
or Polly actually actually was supporting gaza was supporting israel and roger is supporting gaza so for 20 years he's been on the right side
of it so that's why i think it might happen is polly is trapped in a position so oh oh oh wow wow oh that's that's that's a that's a project i mean that's um
i mean they're diametrically opposed at this point i mean they are uh
there's a lot of hostility there isn't there yeah there absolutely is there's I think she said Roger was a...
What did she say?
Pro...
What did she say?
No, she said he was an anti-Semitic lip-syncing megalomaniac.
Yeah.
This, that, or the other.
He said about her,
I wouldn't want to wake up in bed with her in the morning,
about Gilmore's wife
the thing is he's hot that's so he's screwed up he had the moral high ground so roger waters is
so yeah they're going at each other but uh yeah yeah it's it's incredible you know uh
that you know guys who you know work together creative you know, guys who, you know, work together, creative, you know, brilliant, creative minds.
And they obviously created some of the greatest music ever made.
And then they just, they just, you know, end up hating each other, you know, and it's, it's just so bizarre how humanity works sometimes. I don't know. You know, it's, it's, it's, it's an incredible journey, you know, to see how something could devolve. Create a partnership.
Devolve to the point.
In which they're calling each other names.
And really.
Really despise each other.
It's so sad.
In many ways.
But it's almost paradigmatic.
Of what we were talking about.
At the very beginning.
About war.
It's almost very very symbolic of how people can end up raining bombs on each other it's so crazy it's sad you know but you're the
best band ever and you've fallen out yeah know, and they have such a deep following.
Because when Gilmore played out here in Los Angeles, he played like two or three nights at a stadium.
I mean, the Floyd people show up,
you know, the Floyd people really do show up, uh, to shows. And I, you know, I, when water is,
when I, I know when water is every time he plays, um, it's, it's, it's like people can't get enough of it. So no matter what,
the Pink Floyd fans turn out.
And so,
I mean,
if they ever did,
and it's at this point,
I would say it's the,
the chances are not good at all,
but if they ever did get together again,
that would be a huge event.
It really would be.
I mean, that's an understatement.
It's an understatement because, and very obviously for me to say that.
But, I mean, they just have a very, very passionate fan base.
Like I said, I was shocked.
You know, Gilmore announced like a couple of shows
and then he ended up adding more and more and more.
And he just kept adding shows.
And I was like, I haven't seen this kind of devotion
for a, you know, a solo act from an X-Ban,
obviously besides the Beatles, you know, obviously. You know, McCartney, when solo act from a, an X-band, obviously, besides the Beatles, you know, obviously,
you know, McCartney, when McCartney plays, he has that devotion.
Yeah, that I think is evidence in the direction that Pink Floyd, there's some energy that
they're going to get back together, is because they're, well, 81 and let's say 80. Gilmore is doing more shows, as you said, now than in previous years.
An 80-year-old man going out of his way to do live shows and tours,
that suggests you're trying to reach people still.
That's not just spin the...
Oh, no, absolutely.
Absolutely. spin the oh no absolutely absolutely and i also think um you know i uh i also think when you get
to that age you know there's a finite time for you to play yeah play live i mean as as i was
talking about before when we're talking about the aging rock stars, I mean, these guys, and I interview a lot of musicians, a lot of older musicians, you know, when I talk to jazz artists.
And they are very cognizant of the fact that they they, uh, forever. And they have to get out there now because, you know, and they're,
they're only in their set, let's say maybe 65, 70, um, some of the jazz musicians are older.
Um, and they understand if I don't do it now, you know, I don't know where I'm going to be in eight, 10 years. Um, and I, I think it becomes
an urgency to do that. Um, and, uh, I think the most articulate, uh, person, uh, to talk about
aging and mortality and, and make music is, uh, uh, as Bruce Springsteen and in the last he's 75 going to be 76 and in the last
10 years he's just putting out a volume of music uh that's unprecedented and staying out on tour
because he uh he has said that he you know obviously he's going to do it as long as he can,
but he is very understanding.
He has a very keen understanding that there's an expiration date on this
stuff.
Yeah, for sure.
I 100% agree.
I honestly think Floyd's getting back together.
I'm going to say this year.
It may be a bit of a script. I'm going to say this year. It may be a bit of a
script. I'm going to say it
out there. I can't promise it, but
I think it will happen.
I'm going to hold you
to it. I'm going to get the world
to know that Edward has
this prediction.
Yeah. Let's
stick it out there. Hold me to it. If I don't
achieve it, then I should be hung, drawn hung drawn unquartered that's a fair trade
it's wild well we'll see there you go guys so i'd like to welcome i think that's oticus to the stage
who was uh in i think it was in the space cover so maybe you've not met oticus then in which way
so care because he was in the space talking pic floyd when the week you missed so
yeah welcome to Zoticus and Zoticus this is Ken
Copabianca he's a an industry veteran in music
music journalist for many years and we're here every week so
welcome Zoticus to the stage
grand rising from the East Coast.
Hope all is well. Happy
what day is it? Tuesday, yes, Tuesday.
Literally just
woke up, saw your
space, Edward. I say hi, hello.
I love it
when you host spaces and
I haven't been able to attend your
music village spaces.
I think this is now my second or third.
I can't recall.
The mornings are hard for me to remember stuff.
Things are a wee bit hazy in the morning over here for many reasons.
But, yes.
Hi, hello.
Nice to meet you, Ken Capo.
Hope you're doing well.
Very nice to meet you.
Great to hear you.
Hope life is treating you kindly in your part of the world, wherever that is.
I am in the United States in Southern California.
So everything is very good here.
It's beautiful.
So we are fine.
Happy to hear that.
And how about you, Edward? Yeah, going well. Quite a lot
is going on. We were chatting earlier about this, and we're kind of talking about politics and the
war stuff because we can't really avoid it. So that's been first and foremost in my mind.
Stressful, obviously, trying not to follow it. But yeah, apart from that it's uh lots of things are
happening though it seems it seems like lots of things are suddenly happening in different areas
that i'm looking at like like the polysampson one is another example of it but i've been working on
that for a few years and that happened a couple of weeks ago and yeah the war thing and whatever
and all the other stuff going on,
it seems like the world is spinning in a certain direction
and don't really know what's going to go on one day to the next.
So I'm just trying to make it through.
Yeah, I'm just surviving.
It's really unfortunate what's happening in the world.
And I'm going to say the world, right?
Because it's not just even though, yes, there is one specific area in the world right now that has the most attention i would
argue with anybody and say the the world's dealing with the things every single country has their own
shortcoming that some of them might want to talk about it some might well might not want to talk about it. You know,
I prefer people just,
whether your country is,
whether it's religious
or if it's territorial or a race issue,
I wish people would just stop fucking
hating one another and get along.
And that's one of many reasons why I love music as there's many
I argue and say there's many types of life that I wouldn't probably interact with you know and
strike a conversation with as easily if it wasn't for music and having that that that common ground, that icebreaker, whatever you want to call it.
So extremely grateful for music this morning and just extremely grateful for breath
and very grateful to be, you know,
there's many people who are in situations right now
to where they could be speaking publicly on X this Tuesday
morning here. And yeah, just, you know, there's a lot of things I could complain about, but
it's a very small list to the things I could be grateful for. So grateful for you, Edward,
grateful for people like you hosting these spaces to distract us from the day-to-day craziness.
And grateful for music. Very, very blessed to have ears and eyes that see and hear the way I do.
Well, it's very true that music is the universal language.
And it transcends petty politics and petty grievances.
It is a unifying force. And, you know, the way music speaks to all of this
is a very profound force in the world. And I don don't can't imagine a world without music and i think what
you said is very very true that it connects us in a way that nothing else really can connect us
in which makes it so profoundly beautiful
yeah i 100 agree with that and uh though i do think that yeah the freedom of getting music
these days is great there is that possibility in the future that they try and ban music at some
point if things keep going in this direction you know the draconian way things are going but
uh yeah we're coming up on the last five minutes or so we keep this space to
an hour uh ken's obviously busy he's got lots of uh work to do in music and keep it digestible
but though we've got a special guest next week uh orange gooey who you've probably uh not met
before but he's one of the top people in the blockchain crypto community he's a great
promoter and he also knows a lot of musicians and uh he has a musician that he's also promoting as
well so we've got orange gooey is going to be the guest next week so i've pinned the space at the
top i'm excited about that same time same back channel sounds good sounds good look forward to it me too I've spoken with
Gooey a couple times
but I'm not
familiar that he
is familiar with
you know
music
and the
know about
the who about
I'm definitely putting my reminders for that.
And I will definitely be at that space if I'm not busy that moment to poke around his brain about music.
Because, you know, I've been able to poke his brain about many different topics, but music is not one of them.
So, yeah, I'm very excited about this space and
i'm very looking forward to the space edward thank you for for putting the space reminders so that way
we can get i'll be sure to uh share that out with the with the rest of the tank gang in the back
channels to be sure that they know i mean i'm sure as soon as they see that he tweets it they'll
they'll they'll they'll they'll
set a reminder but or you know when he's in the space they'll just pop up but you know just to
give you give you some of that well-deserved algal love i'll be sure to share that around
oh that's awesome yeah cookies is close to a celebrity gooey orange gooey so yeah that'll
be next week so there's a teaser and if anyone anyone knows anyone who would like to come on the space from the music business or to talk about music, please reach out.
I've got a list of guests lined up, but it's a finite list.
So if anyone else would like to bring someone in, then, yeah, bring yourself up.
Okay, great.
Yeah, I'll talk to some people.
Yeah.
Yeah, well, great. Any closing any closing thoughts i guess for this week it's been a
political chat to some degree but that's good get it out there yeah what are you up to today ken me i am interviewing i interviewing peter white the jazz guitarist and i do that in a few hours
and then uh i just have to write stories so that's uh that's that's my job every day of writing so
uh interviewing and writing so yes so that's what i'm up to today awesome well that's brilliant
and yeah zotti how about yourself are you hazed up this uh this this day is very toasty day here
in michigan so i'm just staying uh indoors uh got a couple new vaporizers that I'm going to be trying out a couple new
weeds that I picked up from
the other week
and so
I've just been sampling, testing
out new strains and
new vapes and
trading shitcoins and
buying more XCH
There you go go trading shit coins
by the way people
maybe in music don't realize or don't know
I suppose is it's selling
blockchain tokens basically
they call them shit coins but
they're not always shit coins are they
sometimes they actually have value
like XCH not a shit coin
but like yeah shit come fart come quite uh
bartending you uh yeah that's that's that's a shit coin there's no value it is literally
just vaporware okay nice
okay well yeah guys thanks a lot ken love chatting always okay very enjoyable uh listen let's hope
for a little bit of peace in the world uh you know uh even though everything we're seeing is uh
contradicting what we're hoping for but let's uh hope for the best so Maybe the stress and anxiety
of what's going on in America right now
will be a bit tempered.
We'll see.
Thanks, guys.
I appreciate you.
Wish you well.
Thanks, Ken.
Take it easy, guys.
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