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NDC Election Openmic, discuss anything about the election
Recorded: Sept. 13, 2023 Duration: 1:41:10Space Recording
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Maybe two minutes to share the space
to our chats.
Hey, how are you doing?
So, yeah, everybody who wants to speak, just raise your hand.
It's an open week.
So, yeah, we are going to listen to everybody and discuss your opinions and everything.
Actually, we have some questions.
Should we wait some time or we can talk?
No, no, no, I just, yeah, we will wait, yeah, around like two minutes, yeah, just to share, give me the time to share to every group because, yeah, we need more listeners here, I believe.
Yeah, but overall, I just wanted to tell everybody who already joined that we have some topics to discuss.
So, yeah, I think the discussion will be the next way.
We set up the topic, everybody who has anything to say, just raise your hand or start speaking and then we discuss it.
Yeah, the main topic, of course, the main topic, of course, the main topic, of course, is NDC and the NDC election, like, literally everything about this.
Actually, I have a question for you, because he's a member of the commission.
Yeah, my question is, how will verification take place after voting and can votes be canceled?
Yeah, vote can be canceled if you have been found to do any suspicious activities, because it's all, I think it was back-end, like, the tech working group has some way to remove votes.
So, we will remove it after the election ends and the results are published.
So, if you guys found something weird, you will cancel only one vote or all votes?
Yes, if we find something weird, like, maybe one account that is doing weird funding and controlling wallets, we will just remove all those votes, while the rest of the votes that are deemed real by the real people will be left there.
Yuen, what does it mean, suspicious activities?
Yes. So, what does it mean for, because for now we have no rules about suspicious activities and how you can delete any votes after the voting's end, because before this you have no rules about the suspicious activities or something like that.
You already run, you already run, you already run, I'm human verification, KYC process, free nearest, like, bond, and after this, also after this you want to, like, delete any votes.
So, how it works?
So, basically, like, if you are deemed to have, like, bought votes, like, you buy votes from people, you're doing some campaigns that go against the fair voting policy, those votes will be deemed ineligible, and we will try to track it on chain and remove those votes from your nomination or basically just disqualify you straight ahead.
But it will be case-by-by-case basis, and if it's, you do the campaign, like, you're fully aware that you do that campaign, like, the vote-buying campaign, you're basically disqualified.
If, like, somebody in your community did it without your knowledge, then maybe we will just remove those votes.
It's very hard to determine it, because, like, every campaign might be different, because there might be some campaigns where it's, like, an attack on certain candidates, where it says that, oh, vote for me.
Maybe, let's say, the near-Ukraine campaign, not near-Ukraine campaign, the near-Ukraine community leaders, like, vote for the near-Ukraine, sorry, let me think of how am I supposed to word this.
Okay, this is hypothetical.
I'm not trying to attack near, like, near-America or anybody.
Like, near-America does a campaign that says vote for near-Ukraine leaders and get maybe some near in return.
This basically, like, goes against the fair-holding policy, but, like, because we know that it's just an attack from the American community against the Ukrainian community, we won't disqualify the near-Ukraine leaders.
Instead, we will just, like, remove all those votes that we can track on chain, because, like, it's basically an attack on them.
Does that answer your question?
It's, like, you have no rules for now, so it's, like, just in your opinion about this.
So, Yuen, one more question.
What's, you already get salary and you already get some grants from...
I don't get grants.
I don't get grants.
But I think we will check your wallets about this.
Okay, check it.
I am fully confident I have never gotten a grant.
So, who already paid the salary to you?
Which organization?
GWG.
From CG, basically.
And who is the lead of GWT?
Nobody is the lead.
Basically, the whole GWG has all similar opinions.
And, so, near-Foundation sent money directly to GWT?
Near-Foundation sent money directly to CT.
Then GWG, if want to request funds, have to get confirmation from trustees in the CT, then they can get the funds.
Okay.
So, how many people now in GWT?
Let me check.
Nine people, basically.
Nine people.
And nobody of them are candidates, yes?
There are a few, basically.
So, you have, like, in your organization...
Wait, give me one second.
Let me count it out first.
One.
I think it's slow.
I'm here.
I want to try to answer all questions from near-Ukraine because I feel like GWG and near-Ukraine are having friction and I want to, like, solve it.
Yeah.
So, you are in...
Wait, let me count it first.
Let me count it first.
One, two, three, four...
Four to five, like that.
Oh, yeah.
Sorry.
So, from your organization, you are working to check votes and four people from your organization, also the candidates.
So, how it works?
All right.
All right.
All right.
Let me be clear here.
It's impossible.
It's impossible.
I play it fair to everybody.
You can ask your near-Ukraine community members that did verification with me.
I'm very fair on it.
You, and it's okay, but then you are working on any organization.
For example, if I'm near-Ukraine and near-Ukraine will check votes, but I am a candidate from near-Ukraine, I can't do that because it's impossible.
I understand that, but we have Mr. Potato in there, so you can directly ask Mr. Potato if you have any questions.
He isn't GWG, right?
Yes, Ewan, but this is the problem.
Then you have like a 10, 9 person in your organization, and then I ask you, Ewan, it's impossible to do it.
It's impossible to check votes because you are in the same organization as candidates.
And you tell me, oh, ask Mr. Potato.
I will call Mr. Potato and ask him, what do you think about this?
Well, he will tell me, ask Ewan about this.
No, you can ask Mr. Potato to check back all the data, whether or not the people like from the GWG in the EIC are doing anything suspicious.
Like, I know that we don't know each other.
I know you like don't know what I did before, so if you feel that I really did anything suspicious, call me out on it.
Ask Mr. Potato, get all the proofs, then like just hang me out, right?
But for me, I won't be doing that.
Mr. Yuen, you may be the best person in the world.
I know it, but this is not how it should work.
Because if you are working to check any suspicious activities, you cannot be the candidate.
I'm not a candidate.
You are not a candidate, but you have like 9 person and 5 of them are candidates.
Also, about the Blaze, maybe he's a good guy.
I don't think he's a good guy because...
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
Before you guys continue, let me just say this.
Like, think in Blaze's shoes, you guys like going so hard on him while he's been like sacrificing so much sleep, so much time, so much effort.
Then you guys just like hamming on him like daily.
Like, try to think of it from his point of view.
And DC is basically like his baby, the thing that he brought into this world.
And you guys are like bashing it so hard without trying to understand it in detail from his point of view, right?
And he's trying to talk with Blaze.
Then if you want to ham him after that, that's up to you guys.
But we kind of Blaze.
One second.
Give me one second.
Sorry.
Yeah.
I feel that we have already a lot of speakers.
And I think we should introduce yourselves, right?
So, and yeah.
Attention to listeners.
If anybody has any questions and you want to discuss, just raise your hands and we will give you a voice.
And you can discuss everything like that.
So, yeah.
And a small attention.
Span Art is not from Ukraine.
Yeah, I know that.
Span Art is Mr. Yuri.
It's Mr. Yo.
Yeah, Mr. Yo.
Mr. Yo, yes.
It's not from Ukraine.
It's the most biggest hater ever.
Wait, Mr. Yuri, where are you from?
Are you from the NF?
I'm from Ukraine.
Yeah.
Yeah, but he's not from near Ukraine and even not in our group.
I got you.
I got you.
Everybody is like spread around the ecosystem.
Yeah, yeah.
Just like, you know.
So, from near Ukraine, there's only one person here.
It's only me.
So, yeah.
Let me introduce the speakers.
Hayenko is a human guild.
Oh, no.
Let's do one by one.
The speakers will introduce yourself.
And then we'll continue to speak.
Yeah.
Just to give context to our speakers.
Hayenko.
Hi, guys.
I'm from Human Guild and I'm founder of Gaming Dao.
I have a question for you.
And how you can guys determine if people but votes or just ask it to friends?
For example, I have a lot of friends.
One second.
One second.
Let's introduce everybody and then go to questions.
Hayenko.
Okay.
Human Guild and Gaming Dao.
Vax.
Let's go.
By the list.
Yeah.
Vax.
My name is Vax.
First of all, I'm running for Transparency Commission vote for Vax.
But other than that, I'm also from Ukraine.
I'm part of, I guess, near Ukrainian community as well as I know Yen pretty well.
We interacted in a lot of different situations.
So I think in this conversation, I'm not going to try to take sides or talk too much.
But maybe I can give some type of balanced opinion since I've seen both sides.
So yeah, that's all for me.
But in general, I host spaces on Nier and have a big chill and chill community.
So that's who I am and what I do.
Thank you, Vax.
Yen.
Give me a sec.
Okay.
All right.
Sorry.
All right.
I'm done.
Hello, guys.
My name is Yen.
I'm master scheduler.
I lead the mods and I do marketing sync between all the different working groups.
I'm from the GWG.
Thank you, Yen.
Let's go to Spanyard or Mr. Yuri.
Hello, guys.
My name is Yuri.
I'm a co-founder of Hapi, Pitchtalk, Jumbo Exchange.
I'm initial owner of Makina.
So I have a lot of projects on Nier.
And I'm like an old believer of Nier ecosystem.
Thank you, Yuri.
Joshua.
Yeah.
My name is Josh Hale.
I'm an attorney.
I'm working with a project called Ample.
Ample kind of turned me on to Nier about a year and a half, two years ago.
And I saw what Nier was trying to do as far as accessibility, and that's like right up my alley.
So I decided to, you know, get more involved in the Nier ecosystem and try to lend a voice of hopefully logic and reason as an attorney that I hope I can offer and hopefully make it a better ecosystem and more accessible.
So, that's me.
Thank you, Joshua.
Phantom.
And that's it.
For today, it's like the last speaker.
Okay.
Phantom.
Phantom, can you hear me?
Hello.
It's nice to be on A.
So my question is that...
Oh, if it's a question, give me five seconds, then I will give you time to ask.
Then, okay, Kaz, the last speaker, and that's it for today.
Yeah, thank you.
What is the company's strategy to fund the marketing company?
How are you going to ensure that your token pumps?
What is the company...
Can we just remove him?
We are not, like, doing any giveaways, please.
This is why I don't bring up random people on my space.
It's okay.
It's okay.
Kaz, please.
Right.
I hope I'm not random.
So my name is Kaz.
I'm running for House of Merit.
I'm hoping to talk about future here and vision for what we want to do with NDC.
But recognizing that I'm also on GWG, just like you, and I'm guessing that just by coming up here, there's going to be some bashing.
But happy to answer any questions that you guys have about the GWG as well.
Thank you, our awesome guests.
Thank you for joining us.
Thank you, our speakers, to join us.
Let's go towards our questions.
And the first question from Hyeniko, you can ask.
Sorry, guys.
If I'm not honking, someone else has questions, I will inform into the Minus.
Ah, okay.
Yuri?
Yeah.
Okay, guys.
So I have, like, it's an interesting question.
So I think for now we don't have, like, we have, like, a big problem in our ecosystem.
First of all, we don't have a strategy.
And the next thing, for now, we don't have a CEO of NIR Foundation.
How we will build the strategy for NIR?
Because, as I see, only NIR community cannot build this strategy and do it.
What do you think about this?
Okay.
Is it, like, an open mic question, or is it, like, directed to...
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I think it's open mic.
You always can answer my questions.
Just know it.
I like you, so you can always ask.
I always want to hear your opinion about my questions.
Really?
You really like me?
I got a lot of bashing last night, though.
No, I'm joking, right?
It's only because you check all, like, people, humans in...
Ah, you're trying to write me.
Yes, this is how it works.
Yes, I don't propose money to you.
I just like...
Gotcha, gotcha.
Because, even when I hate someone, it's, like, it's a bad thing.
Maybe I'll try to answer that.
Currently, based on what I've...
Like, I went to APEC, right?
I went to meet all the different founders, meet all the different people.
We talked a lot.
So, currently, what NIR has a problem is, is basically, like, we're all more focused on boss.
Well, boss is not quite as good for, like, new developers to build on.
It's very hard to build, and, like, a lot of systems are very...
I'm not a dev, so understand that I don't know the technical terms.
From a user standpoint, it's very slow.
It's a bit laggy.
So, if you want to attract new builders on here, it might be a kind of a roadblock.
Another thing is, like, currently in our ecosystem, it's very hard for people that want to build,
that want to contribute, to find a way to, like, earn something back in return.
Or maybe, like, in the NFT terms, basically, you can, like, flip stuff, or you can, like, do anything.
Like, there's no community at all.
There's no vibes.
There's no anything.
Because during NFC, like, last year, NF basically closed down the grants,
and all the founders that didn't get any funding at all, basically, like, went away.
The community members went to Solana or EVE, where there was more opportunities there
for them to continue on building, interacting, and, like, meeting other people.
So, currently, in Near Ecosystem, I'm hoping that after the governing bodies get established
during the first two months, you guys will make a process on how funding goes out,
on how KPIs, milestones, and something that Cameron from Banyan told me that was really good,
a KPI that must be had, is basically a Near token use case, something more.
Instead of just saying, like, oh, we got a lot of social interactions,
we got a lot of followers, those things are really, like, basically useless right now,
because everything can be bought it.
So, I'm hoping that maybe people from House of Merits,
because of advisors or transparency commission can set up the process
within the one or two months, and do not let people that just come in here,
that are multi-chain, take the grants, build some stuff,
and then just scurry off to other chains.
That's it for me.
Yeah, I see that Evgeny has a question.
So, Evgeny, can you ask it?
Yeah, hi, guys.
I have a question to Kaz.
I know you are in charge of all bounties and salaries.
So, my question is, when we were able to get all reports from GVG members
with the kind of work they did, and what did they get the money for?
Like, for example, Illumity did in early IndyC days.
He did one weekly report of his work.
Yeah, for sure.
So, I posted the link to the Notion database.
I have a page that shows a lot of links into the Airtable.
Airtable is where I keep all of the records on who's requested a bounty,
what gigs did they do, and how does that correlate back to the budget.
So, it's essentially the financial reconciliation tool.
So, for every month, there are three links, and the rightmost link,
the last link for every month, says the details of the contribution.
So, if you click on that one, you'll see for every single one request,
and you have to recognize that one payment could have multiple bounties in it, right?
Sometimes it's a one bounty, one payment,
but sometimes it's three bounties into one payment.
So, in that leftmost link, if it's three bounties, one payment,
you get three line items for one payment.
And then you can look at every one of those three line items for that person.
And there is one column that's called contribution.
It tells the story in the person's own words, what they did.
If it's not a GWG member, then that's what you have.
And then there are a couple of other columns with links.
So, if there's hyperlinks to, if they did a widget, they got a link to the widget.
If they did an article, a Medium article, there's a link to the Medium article.
So, you can click on that.
You can dig down, right?
And if it is a GWG member, then there's a story.
Either it's like what Elu was doing on God Forum, or it's a story on Sayalot.
So, you double-click on the Sayalot story for you one, for example, for the month of August.
You don't see that yet, but you'll see the July one.
Then it'll take you to the Sayalot link, and that's where his longer story is.
And you can read what he's been doing.
But as I remember, Evgeny already checked this Airtable,
and they couldn't find the salary and repers information, right?
There is not a report.
But I just want to say, all speakers, there is an option to pin up everything in the space,
and to any links.
If you feel like it's necessary, you can comment here and pin it to the space
so everybody knows what we're talking about.
Just a suggestion for anyone.
I'll do it when this question is over.
I'll pin it at the end.
If you go to Sayalot, sorry, my voice is shot.
You should see even the August stuff there in Sayalot.
But we all kind of, like, there wasn't really consistency.
I used to post on the GovForum, and then we put in processes to post on Sayalot.
So you should see it all there for everyone.
And then if you want to see values, go back to the Notion to tie it to that.
So Sayalot will give you the explanations,
and Notion will give you the amounts, flash dates.
Evgeny, was it enough for you?
I mean, did they claim this Airtable?
I think I don't...
Maybe I couldn't find reports in Airtable.
There's just one sentence, bounty, and for what, and approver.
But there is no reports, anyway.
You're looking at the wrong link.
You're looking at the second link.
Go to the third link for the month, and you'll see it.
Kaz, could you please post it here?
I'll do it as soon as we're done with this question, yeah.
Yuri?
To tell you the truth, I don't care about all links, Airtables,
and all of this documentation,
because I don't have a lot of time to check all of this.
But we are like big guys, and we have like KPIs.
So just tell me one thing.
How much did you spend for this election?
All of money, all of like shitty bag of this money.
And how much users will participate in this election?
So we will count how much one user costs.
Is it a good match?
No, that's a flawed logic,
because you've got to think about the cost of build.
You've got to think of the cost of marketing.
Like a lot goes into tech.
A lot goes into the research.
A lot goes into the governance design.
Like, you know, the goal of the GWG isn't to onboard users.
It is to create the functionality for an election to happen.
It is also to create the legal framework
for the community treasury to be held in.
And the problem you have, you know, and I respect you, right?
You're a clever dude.
You've been in this ecosystem for some time.
You know how to build tools, right?
You know how to make money.
I'm going to give you that.
Like, I think you're a clever guy.
You stopped building on Anir for a reason, too.
And that's because, you know, nobody makes money in this space.
So the challenge we have here is that there's a big issue,
and the issue is that funding stopped.
And then, you know, all the ecosystem of the money dried up.
You have the community projects dying left, right, and center.
The foundation you can't really talk to.
Ligota is sitting there spending $60 million a year.
Nobody gives a shit about that.
But, like, you know, let's get real.
Like, everyone's here fighting over pennies.
When the bigger problem we have is that we need to make a decision now
of where this ecosystem goes.
Do we say, hey, crypto-native narrative is dead.
NIR will never be in L1.
It'll never compete against Solana and Ethereum.
And we figure something out, and we do something else.
Is BOSS the pivot?
And if BOSS is the pivot, how do you make money with BOSS?
At the moment, nobody's shown how to do that.
You can't use third-party repos.
And everyone's like, let's go build a gateway.
Let's build a gateway.
Let's make sure all Polygon users can see all their DeFi apps in space.
What does that do for NIR?
Who knows?
The only thing I've seen in NIR at the moment, right, that is working
is this Web 2.5 narrative.
Okay?
I don't care what you think about Sweat,
but Sweat introduced 7.5 million users to NIR.
They have 140 million users in their ecosystem.
Ka-ching is introducing millions of users as well.
The problem you have, and when you sit from the foundation
or Pagoda or any other side, like, thinking about how do you make
the ecosystem survive?
It's not supporting crypto natives, unfortunately,
because we don't have users.
We don't have community.
We have no revenue models.
None of you guys, I mean, like, yo, you've made money.
You've figured out a way to make money.
You've built a nice, like, a revenue stream,
but that doesn't rely on NIR.
Why is that, right?
Because there's no builders here,
so you can't sell any security audits, too.
No, no, no, no, no, I don't agree with you.
We already have, like, a pitch talk project based on NIR.
It's fully based on NIR, and it works on NIR.
But the main feature of NIR and the main problem of NIR,
it's not about decentralization.
It's not about governments.
It's not about these things.
It's more about they don't have a good C level,
so they don't have, like, a good CO for now because,
sorry for this, but Mariki don't give a shit about how NIR works.
And now I see she doesn't understand what's the direction of movement of NIR.
She doesn't understand how BOSS works and all of these things.
Yeah, but, dude, nobody understands how BOSS works.
Like, how do you make money from BOSS?
So if you're a developer and you're building, what are you?
Sorry, go ahead.
For me, personally, I don't believe in BOSS.
This is why I tell in the beginning of this Twitter space
that NIR hasn't a strategy.
This is my, like, a first point.
First point, NIR doesn't have a CO.
Next point, NIR doesn't have a strategy.
This is two points.
And decentralization and election doesn't, can't fix it.
Only good CO and good C level of company can fix it.
Because vision and strategy, it's like, it's based on CO of the company.
Also about the sweet coin, about all of these things.
So we have, like, millions of people.
How many people from Svetcoin make woes?
Zero.
Zero.
Do you know why?
Because they don't give a shit about NIR.
Exactly.
They're not crypto natives.
They don't care about crypto natives.
They don't think about crypto.
Also, we make payments for them.
And we, NIR Foundation, pay for all that transaction.
So we spend, like, two million NIR just to have this Svetcoin name on the NIR ecosystem.
This is what.
But all of the users, they don't care about NIR.
They just want to get drops.
They want to get free money.
And we have to pay for this.
But if the NIR price will go down and will, like, hit one dollar, we will have a lot of problems.
Because it's like, for now, we have, like, VCs who believe in NIR, who believe in Ilya.
I think not in NIR.
They believe in Ilya.
And if we will lose that VCs who support us for now.
Bro, we lost those VCs.
How much external funding came into the NIR ecosystem this year?
Or don't you?
Zero.
Let's discuss two points.
For now, NIR has, like, 400 millions of dollars.
Yes, they already invested.
Nobody will invest in our project.
I talked to VC.
If you know the Pitch Talk project, it's based on, so it's a platform for startups who pitch their projects.
It's, like, initial idea of Horizon.
That was my idea.
I present this idea to Ilya two and a half years ago in Kiev.
And after this, we started building Pitch Talk.
Ilya started building the Near Horizon.
And Near Horizon built on BOSS.
And I don't think that Horizon helped any company.
Because then VCs just understand that you are trying to build something on NIR.
They will not give you any sense.
Because they don't want to listen about NIR at all.
They just want to sell their bags.
Then the NIR get to $5.
Yeah.
And it's not just NIR.
Like, the VC narrative changed.
Everyone wants a bloody L2 on Ethereum.
Right?
So, I get you on that, right?
But it's not just NIR.
The whole VC space has just shifted out of L1s.
Either you go L0 or you go L2.
And then, you know, in six months' time, the trend will change again.
It'll be another thing.
What is it?
Friend tech and all that crap.
The VCs go wherever liquidity is and where they can exit opportunity in about two years' time.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I fully agree with you.
But, you know, so you know about the LINIA, about the scroll, about the base.
And you know their strategies.
So, for example, base, they have, like, a team inside their main team.
It's like a team of VC angels.
It's a very strong team.
It's like wolves of Wall Street.
It's, they are really, like, then, it's about my vision about NDC.
Then, it's about my vision of Blaze.
So, what can Blaze bring to me?
Any startups?
Any successful projects he launched?
Any startups he has?
Nothing.
Well, Blaze onboarded, like, the first hundred validators on TNIR.
What?
He was a big part of the early validators on NIR.
Which validators?
I think the main validator on NIR is Zavadil.
Vadim.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But Blaze is, what is the name of community?
Sorry.
I forget what is Blaze community.
Cheddar.
Yeah, Cheddar as well.
Cheddar, yeah.
But what is the name of community of validators?
I don't know off the top of my head.
Yeah, so, Blaze actually is the builder of, ah, Alliance.
Cheddar Alliance, right?
Yeah, yeah.
Cheddar Alliance leader, yeah.
So, he basically, yeah, he helped a lot of validators and set up to them.
But, yeah.
So, about success business, yes.
And then, any startups, for example, we will have, like, about base.
It's, sorry, about my mindfulness set.
But, about the base.
Base.
Blaze here.
You directly.
So, you asked my credentials, what have I done, right?
Yes, Blaze.
So, yeah.
Started the OpenShart Alliance.
By the way, Zavadil and I went head-to-head in the first validator competition for Nier, right?
So, we were top competitors.
So, we both won the competition.
So, just to set that record straight, we both built the first validator tool sets on Nier.
I'm a dev by trade.
So, then from there, pivoted the OpenShart Alliance.
We onboarded the last 49 validators to mainnet.
We ran Steak Wars 3, which onboarded the chunk producers.
We worked with the protocol team.
So, yeah.
Now, I've been here doing tremendous value.
You then pivoted, built Cheddar, the first, you know, single-stake yield farm on Nier,
which is based on a loyalty token.
You know, obviously, during the bull cycle, had plenty of users still alive today,
still has a small community, somewhat on hold right now because of NDC.
And then, of course, champion of NDC.
How is this project called?
Cheddar.
Cheddar.
Can you tell me who is the main developer of Cheddar?
Cheddar, who is, like, when I will open the GitHub, who is the main developer of Cheddar?
Robert Zarembra and I are co-founders, co-founders of Cheddar.
So, yeah.
Along with...
Co-founder.
Yeah.
So, and you, he also, like, a developer of NDC, yes?
Correct.
Yep.
Yeah.
So, it's like a friends and family.
Yes.
No, it's who showed up first, right?
So, there's an open call to participation.
So, you should have been on the call, right?
When Ilya made a call out to the entire ecosystem and said, you're the community.
Go build NDC, right?
And so, there was a call to participation on the governance forum.
And whoever stepped forward, whoever came forward and contributed, that's who helped launch NDC.
That's who became the GWG, you know?
And then, you know, once enough contributors were onboarded, any new position opened in the GWG was publicly posted on the forum.
Interviews were held with people throughout the ecosystem.
Candidates were selected, right?
So, you know, we need to make sure that we keep the information correct.
It's not like just friends and family, no.
Yes, Blaise.
This is what I'm talking about.
It's, then you will open the position and only small amount of users and, like, community know about this position.
You get it on the board, but the main idea of NDC for me, it's to find the best person in the world who will build this community.
So, it's like try to find the best persons from Compound, from Consensus, from Coinbase, pay them the salary, and these guys can build our ecosystem.
Because, for now, what we have for now, we have, like, community managers, we have, like, founders of bad startups because we don't have successful startups inside our ecosystem.
And all of these guys will support and will try to find new projects to our ecosystem.
Will it work?
Habibi, Habibi.
I, in my Web2 life, have distributed a quarter billion dollars of debt, equity, and grant funding in fintech, right?
I've taken five startups in Web2 from zero to a million plus in revenue in less than a year.
I am probably one of the few projects in this space on NIR that actually generated revenue, okay?
Like, and all of us are working for far less than what we're worth in Web2.
The reason we've stayed in this space is because we've been loyal to this chain.
We've made a lot of great connections, great friends.
We've built great things here, right?
Like, for me, the NDC is the last leg this ecosystem has.
And will it save it?
Maybe not.
But at least it's some effort to go that way.
At least it's bringing people together and talking.
I mean, like, on the crypto-native side, we're a ghost chain.
Let's get real.
Where's anyone's transactions?
Nobody has any.
How many people your level do we have in our election?
How do you think?
I think we have a good mix.
I think we have a good mix, okay?
We have 120 people running.
They vary in background.
And I think diversity is important.
Not everyone has to be able to, you know, have done this in fintech or that.
It's the diversity of thought that's important here.
So you need great developers.
You need great business people.
You need great community leaders.
And, you know, here's the thing, okay?
So the original model Ilya put together for NDC was a presidential system.
You have one figurehead.
They make all the decisions.
We've seen what happens when decisions are all made by one person.
We know that history on here.
The system we shifted over to is a coalition system, right?
With coalition—or, sorry, it's a parliamentary system.
In a parliamentary system, you get coalitions.
Coalitions, you know, they do resolution through compromise, through coalition to coming to a general consensus among a group.
And so, you know, I don't think you need one really good rock star.
I think you need a diversity of people.
I think we definitely have that here.
I think a lot of you people who are sitting on this call running, you have all different backgrounds.
You have Josh, the lawyer.
You've got you, you know, who is, you know, you've made a successful business in Web3.
You've got Haneco.
I can't say your name correctly, brother.
But from the gaming side of this space, he's been trying to keep the ecosystem alive.
You've got Kisses.
You know, you've got Blaze.
You've got Kaz that has a history of experience in Web2 and in Web3.
I think we've got diversity.
We've just not given enough people the chance to talk about it.
Let's talk about, you know, the Coinbase blockchain.
It's called Blaze.
They have like six rock stars inside the company.
And these six rock stars evaluate 400 projects per last three months and select only six.
They already got investments, something like 250 millions of dollars.
And all of the people support that project.
For now, we have like a community.
We will have like a community.
We will have diversity.
21 people who will spend how many hours per week?
Three million per first term.
Please reply because I didn't get you.
Three million for the first term.
For?
First term.
For the first six months.
Six months.
Five hundred thousand a month.
Yeah.
So we will have like a big community who can't spend a lot of time by checking the projects.
Because let's see.
We have to evaluate 500 projects for first like three months.
No, actually the massive is different.
Yeah.
Because after the space with Blaze, we figured out that for the first time, we will need to transition from the GOG to NDC.
That will cost around 150k per month.
So, and as I understand, Blaze, it will take around two, three months.
So we will see that it's around like 2 million and 550k.
Can I just tell you something?
And one thing you need to understand.
Everyone's hung up on this three million number.
And this is where nobody reads the manual, right?
Like, if you go through and you spend that three million and, you know, the community deems that as a successful spend and yet there's still another three months to go, you launch another setup package, you get the community consent, and then you put a new number out there.
Like these limitations, there are avenues to overcome them given community consent.
I highly recommend people just like read the legal framework, read the governance frameworks.
Why, like, is 3 million enough?
Is it too much?
Is it too little?
You know, it really depends on that first cohort of candidates.
You know, it could go a very long way or it could be completely destroyed.
And if it's successful, there are avenues to go and withdraw more and do more successful things.
But in these moments, it's good to be hesitant because, you know, if you look at historic examples, when you go from a dictatorship to a democracy, typically it's never done peacefully.
In any historical example, there's always bloodshed.
This is probably one of the few examples of going into a decentralized democratic model without bloodshed.
I mean, you might have heard some of our feelings, but that's as bad as it gets.
No, just tell me one example of community building projects who has the same model of financial system and who already success.
So nobody has a one-person, one-vote model, but we've taken a lot of aspirations from the Gitcoin model and the ENS model.
We've had an advisor who built those models, who helped advise us through a lot of the things we've done.
With respect to, you know, this type of funding in Web3, it is a very new territory.
We understand that, right?
That's why we've always went with the disclaimer that this is an experiment.
It's not an experiment.
Dash was one of the first blockchain who had the same model.
That was the same model, and now you can check where is the dash.
Yeah, I think a few things that we need to probably just clarify to everyone is that this is not just funding, right?
So when you're being elected into NDC, it's not about just deploying grants.
The other responsibilities that these representatives have are to continue to build the governance framework, to continue to set up the right legal structures, legal entities, the right funding mechanisms, right?
So there's a tremendous amount to do beyond just funding that needs to be addressed.
Because we have to remember the reason that the NDC was even started was that Near Foundation has a five-year plan to fully decentralize.
Well, the NDC is a decentralized version of Near Foundation.
That's what the whole intent of it is.
And if successful, over the next two years, the Treasury will migrate from Near Foundation, $130 million Near, to the NDC Treasury, then to continue to grow and sustain the ecosystem.
So that's the real goal of NDC.
So while funding is definitely a critical part of it, in this first governance session, there's going to be a tremendous amount of work to continue to set up all the processes, all the procedures, things like hiring, benefits, things of that nature that are going to need to take place for this decentralized organization, signing contracts with vendors, right?
Finding out who providers are going to be looking at SLAs.
So all of those things are going to need to take place in NDC beyond just funding projects.
So when people are signing up for these roles, they're really signing up for either a very part-time role, a part-time role, or a full-time role.
There will be full-time people in NDC just to ensure that all of these things are completed.
For instance, let me give you one example.
KYC is currently being handled by Near Foundation at this moment.
The goal has always been to move that process to NDC and then figure out, can we actually, at some point, once we're decentralized enough, get rid of the KYC?
So what needs to happen to make that happen?
We're in the process of setting up a new legal entity that's associated with the Guernsey Trust.
A contract would be signed by Fractal.
We need to hire a consulting firm to come in and identify what our policies and procedures are for KYC.
We need to look at if we need a compliance officer on board.
It's more than just funding.
Blaise, I have a personal question to you.
First of all, you can think that I don't like you.
I don't like you.
But let me ask you, do you believe in BOSS?
Yes, I believe in BOSS.
And let me tell you the reason why.
Because I'm a builder and I've been building on BOSS.
We've been building on BOSS with NDC.
So let me say this just clearly to this group here.
NDC is the first customer, major customer of BOSS.
We're the first ones to build multiple platforms on BOSS to the level where we've built them, even though they're MVP, even though they're early.
And we've been able to kind of learn from that.
And so we've got a punch list of what needs to happen to make BOSS fully usable.
What do I see BOSS as a great fit for?
Attracting Web 2 developers to Web 3.
It lets them cut their teeth easily on, you know, getting into blockchain, getting into Web 3.
We can get them on BOSS, get them building components.
Once they've got that grasp, then they probably want to go native, maybe spin off into Rust, maybe do some native UI.
So I see it as a great platform to attract the Web 2 dev population.
Yes.
So we have, like, a problem.
You believe in BOSS, but startups will not come here because here you cannot build the successful business based on BOSS.
Can I...
Only...
Sorry.
One thing I want to, like, chime in.
BOSS is good, but, like, UX...
Like, I forgot it was UI or UX.
I'm sorry, I'm not a dev person.
But, like, we had a talk during APEC.
BOSS is, like, great because the similar tech was used in Backpack NFTs in Solana.
But the UI wasn't, like, native BOSS.
It was basically, like, on...
Like, on a separate, like, maybe website.
I'm sorry.
I really am not a tech guy.
And, like, the UX is basically all on BOSS.
So the UI is very smooth and everything.
Well, everything can be kept on chain.
But, again, I'm not a tech guy.
I just felt like if you want to utilize BOSS, utilize it wholly on it.
You know, the same thing.
UI is interface.
UX is experiment.
So experience.
So UI is what you see.
Your UX is what you do.
All right.
So UI, not on BOSS.
UX on BOSS.
I think that will be something that should be done moving forward.
Instead of everything, basically, just on BOSS.
I kind of agree with you here with respect to the challenges of BOSS.
And I think it comes with, from a business perspective,
you're expecting to build all these, like, okay, I guess BOSS works if I go down the gateway route.
If I go down the building, the component route, right, and then everyone just forks what I build.
There's a reason, like, you know, it's very difficult to build strong commercial models around open source tooling.
Some brands can figure out and do it really well.
But it usually comes after having millions and millions of users.
And so, like, you know, where the litmus test for BOSS is for me is show me a crypto native,
or not even show me a developer that goes and builds a sustainable business using BOSS.
It's still early.
There's still time.
We've seen something like DapDap, if you're near APAC, as a use case that is commercially viable.
But, you know, how do you scale and then lead other builders down that path?
The challenge about the NDC is that we're not here to go and just give everyone money for free forever.
Like, yes, there needs to be some startup help, but you should only support businesses that can get towards, like, commercial viability
and have a strong understanding of how to get there.
And at the moment, that use case has not been properly shown for BOSS.
The flip side of it, we're still very early, and it doesn't mean that use case doesn't exist.
But it needs to present itself, if this is the narrative all of NIR is being forced to shift to.
So, what we have for now, we have, like, two person here, Zach and Blaze.
And they have the similar opinion about the BOSS and about the future of NIR.
So, this is our problem.
We don't have, like, a vision.
We don't have a strategy, but we want to move money.
We want to spend money.
We want to make marketing.
But what have we to do?
First of all, let's build the strategy, and let's build the vision.
Spanier, if I may, I kind of disagree with you.
You know, I think that you're right, that there needs to be a strategy.
But right now, the strategy is this election.
It's to build that next step.
And you can't, you know, it's just like building a building.
You can't build the next step until you have a foundation.
And I'm not talking about the NIR foundation.
I'm talking about this idea of we need to have the foundation of what we want to do.
And, frankly, up to now, you know, even getting in touch with the foundation was always a thing.
Now, we're building the foundation to get us to a strategy.
And that may change the way, you know, governance works.
That may be 100 different things.
But right now, the strategy is let's do one step at a time.
And this is the step right now.
We can complain about this step until the nth of never.
But if we don't do this step, all we're doing is walking with our feet in the mud.
And right now, our strategy, as far as I see it, is to implement this step.
And God willing, this step is the right direction.
This is the strategy right now.
Even though you may disagree with that strategy, this is the strategy right now.
100% it is.
I mean, Spaniel, your logic is you're tripping yourself up.
Like, we are not looking for the one person to lead us.
We're looking for the collective of people with the best ideas.
So that's why these forums here, like these talks, should be about what is your vision.
And I haven't heard you mention a single word of what your vision is.
I only hear you criticizing and throwing shade.
You know, that's not why we're here.
We're here to look forward.
You know, what do you want?
What are you looking for?
What do you want to do with Nier?
Or if you don't want to build on BOSS, then what?
I'm curious to hear.
Okay.
So I will tell you about my story.
So I have like a three projects based on Nier.
First of all, it's HAPI.
It's a cybersecurity project.
We integrate it into existing Nier wallet.
And after this, we step back because nobody knows who will manage the existing wallets on that one.
So the next thing, I have like a Jumbo exchange project, you know, this thing.
So we built the competitor to REF because two years ago, we want to build Nier as a DeFi system because on Nier, you can build some like perpetuals.
You can build the orderly system options and all of these things.
So we start building the Jumbo exchange.
And one year after, we start building the PitchTalk, the platform for startups.
So you can go to PitchTalk, you can pitch a project, you can get money from investors because we already onboarded like 50 VCs who are always there, who can support you, who can give you money.
And it's also built on Nier.
You can connect with Nier wallet to our interface.
You can check it.
It works very smooth.
It's like a, it's a good platform.
You can check.
Even Mariki can already onboarded using the PitchTalk, PitchTalk platform.
But after this, three months later, Ilya start work.
It's not in Ilya.
Eugene start building the Nier social because the base for a boss, it's Nier social.
And after this, we have like a boss.
And Pagada tells us that you have to migrate all your existing projects to boss.
But wait a minute, I spent millions of dollars for this, to build this system, to teach my developers how to build on Nier.
I spent a lot of time and now I have to migrate to boss system.
But it's like a test version.
It's like just, I will not have a users.
I will not have like a smooth interface.
It's like, it's like a joke for real business.
This is the main problem for me.
Because if I want to build successful business, I have to know what's the next.
But what is your vision?
The question was, what is your vision for the Nier, right?
My vision for the Nier, it's not like, it's not just a boss.
We have to build like a DeFi system inside the Nier.
We have to onboard a lot of stable coins here.
We have to onboard projects here, not just on boss interface.
They can build their own interfaces because I think for really hard interfaces, it's almost impossible to migrate on boss.
Almost impossible.
And if I want to build my own interface, if I want to use MetaMask, for example, I have to have my own interface.
I have to have stable coins inside the system.
I want like, not only if I, if we will have stable coins, we have to connect with all exchanges.
All exchanges should support Nier coins, Nier stable coins, all projects who will build on, who will have like their own tokens and who will build their projects even based on boss system.
They have to chance to list their tokens on all exchanges.
So, Nier have to spend a lot of money to have connections with Binance, with Coinbase, with any other exchanges to build this.
So, it's not only about boss.
If the strategy of Nier is only about boss, I'm out.
This is what I want to tell you.
Oh, one thing I want to say, like, before that, it was a lot of, for a quarter, it was changing like directions every quarter.
First quarter, one quarter was like Nier social, next quarter was boss.
But currently, boss has been surviving past like the quarter.
It's basically have been moving for six months now without like a change in direction.
That is something that Marik did, which I really feel it's good in the direction.
Instead of like running around like a headless chicken, at least we have something, like an aim, like, you know, we are aiming for something.
Instead of like, oh, boss failed within the four months, we should just change direction.
When really they haven't really given much of an opportunity for it and maybe like see whether or not it can grow further.
Oh, and one more thing before I close it.
Kikis, can you like maybe like Haneko, Superlink and the other people that raise their hands to speak so that like it goes better?
Yeah, yeah.
Are we going to get your, give the people some support?
Oh, let the people that raise their hands to speak so that they can like get the points through.
Yeah, let's go.
Hey, Haneko.
I just want to say that I checked that link that Cass sent me in this chat and I could not find any reports from what kind of work GVG members did and what payments they got for.
So there is only a lot of numbers of payments, but not any kind of work what was done.
No, that's not true.
That's not true.
But I guess if you're looking for my, my, you know, Cass name, you won't find it there because my payments go to a different account.
But definitely my reports are in there.
Illu report are there as well.
They go to a different account, but they're totally in there.
Yeah, could you just share the screenshot maybe because, yeah, because maybe it's hard to find the link for reports.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I sent the link in the comment section here.
Yeah, but Haneko checked this link but couldn't find the reports there, right?
So maybe you can share the screenshot.
Maybe we can have a direct conversation or something.
I don't want to get individual people's reports on this, this channel right here, right?
That's not a good use of our time.
But hit me up.
I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll go through it on a screen share with you, Haneko.
I just think we need reports like, uh, UNO and, uh, Illuminity did in early in DC days.
They, they made, uh, forum, uh, post with, uh, what kind of work they did.
Uh, so it is really good reports.
And you can see, uh, that, uh, this person's really work, uh, working and, uh, it is good.
Yeah, sure.
I'll, I'll send the link to the sale lot widget as well.
That's where most of the reports are.
But if you want all of the reports, you have to go through and line by line and find them.
Okay, okay, Haneko, cause I, I hope we will get inducted and, yeah, figure this out.
Uh, Lucito, I know, sorry for that, but yeah, let's go.
You are waiting so long.
Uh, no problem.
Hello, everyone.
I have a question regarding, uh, Transparency Commission.
Uh, if the community wants, uh, more clarity about, uh, the creation of the NDC and the elections,
uh, will there be an opportunity to contact, uh, Transparency Commission, uh, directly so
that, uh, TS starts an investigation, uh, into, uh, maybe GVG and how will, uh, the process
of, uh, communication take place in general?
Oh, like, I'll try to explain it.
Currently, TC doesn't investigate anybody except the governing bodies.
Like, this was, uh, confusion on my part as well when I started to read about it.
It's basically, like, the three houses are check and balances between each other, where
he, like, COA checks the House of Merit, TC checks both of them, while the, like, the voting
body checks all three bodies.
So TC can only have power to check on the other two governing bodies.
And if you want to change that, maybe after you guys are voted on, maybe do a change in
the charter on, like, how you guys want to change the power dynamic and maybe change the
investigation.
Because I feel like we want to also, like, investigate on past cases of grifters and bad
actors before we want to prevent them from, like, getting funding.
So you will need to maybe spin out another, another, like, not body, is it body?
Spin out another uniform body that handles those kind of cases, because TC currently,
their power is limited to only watching over the governing bodies.
Okay, thanks.
I understood.
We can continue.
Yeah.
Joshua, please.
Guys, I'm having some audio problems.
I'll have to come back in a minute or so.
Okay, okay.
So, yeah, I have a question for Blaise directly.
So, Blaise, we checked yesterday the GFG payments, and we figured out that additional to
your salary, you received the 5K for the consulting.
Could you please elaborate more on this, for what you received this amount of money, if
you have already a salary?
Thanks.
Yeah.
So, yeah, it wasn't for salary.
So what's happening right now is I talked a little bit ago about setting up a new legal
entity to manage contracts and manage expenses for the NDC.
We don't have that today.
So what's been going on is the GWG, you know, members of the GWG and then myself have been
paying for hosting for different services, right?
So everything from the Zoom that you joined to, you know, hosting for the I Am Human website,
which I'm not doing that, but I typically cover the tools like, for instance, Trello,
Zoom.
You know, we were using Canny for a little bit there.
So any of the tools that are needed to, you know, help with the governance working group,
they don't accept NIR, and we don't have a legal entity at the moment.
So what happens is the GWG pays for those expenses and then files those expenses back.
So, in addition, you know, I needed to do some legal discovery on this legal entity that we're
going to set up.
So that's part of that $5,000.
As a matter of fact, it's $3,000.
So we had to engage some external legal counsel to look at what legal entities in Web3 would
make sense that could select, that could deal in fiat, that could tie to a bank account,
that could have a debit card to pay these fees.
So that's what that was all regarding, and it just wasn't for a single month.
So net-net is $3,000 of that was for the discovery of, you know, a legal entity.
The rest of that was for June, July, and August of all of those tools.
I'm happy to provide all receipts.
I actually did when I posted the thing into, posted the rewards for the claim for the, you
know, the services.
But I'm happy to share all that.
The receipts are there, Blaise.
Anyone that follows that Notion page into the air table, there's a specific dedicated
tab to expenses.
And if you do that and you find the expense that you're interested in, then you'll be able
to see the image of all the receipts, right?
So we're transparent with these things.
And hey, guys, you're going after what the GW has been spending.
You know, $1.5 million, maybe $500,000 of that was for MDAO and CDOW, and $1 million
was for GWG.
We've built a ton in this last year.
And, you know, if you really want to go after money, like, check what Pagoda's budget is
like $15 million, like, way, way, way bigger.
And the SailGP or all of the other stuff that NF is paying, like, we're actually delivering
very much value for your bang for your buck in terms of NDC.
So I don't know why this has become the big thing that you guys are focusing in on.
Happy to answer all the questions, but I think you're chasing down the wrong rabbit hole.
Sorry, I'll kick this.
I know that you all are, like, the high, not the high, are, like, the potential leaders,
not the potential.
You guys are basically, like, top three, top 15 of the House of Merit members.
Remember when you do budgeting for the election, and not the election, for the V1 of governance,
remember that you guys will need to set aside some budget for expenses, some budget for
events, some budget for, like, the housing and everything, because those will be basically
transferred to the House of Merit to handle everything.
We will give you all the keys, but you will need to remember, like, those expenses needs
a separate portion on it so that it can still run even after the GWGG, like, cease to exist.
Like, we want how I am human should keep on running, but, like, it's up to you guys whether
not House of Merit wants to run it, but, like, having it, it was built, do you want to just
waste it?
Do you want to, like, don't set the budget aside for it?
Do you not want to, like, build on it?
Like, for this election, I know that I'm human face verification wasn't that good.
We wanted to add in reputation as another safeguard, but the problem is that tech wasn't ready.
We are hoping that after you guys can, you guys are in power.
Remember, I'm not saying that you, I'm not, like, 100% saying you guys are in power yet.
Like, I'm not, I don't know what will happen in the future, but when you, if you guys are
in power, remember that try to build more on the tech side.
We want a lot, we want a lot of things to happen during the election, but because of time
constraints, because of the talent constraints, because of, like, the money constraints, we
couldn't, like, go with, like, a full force on it.
Or you guys can, like, have a $10 million budget, but, like, spend it wisely, spend it,
like, build it early for the next election so that this doesn't happen during the start.
I trust that everybody here are very intelligent and, like, very experienced in their own
fields, and I believe that you guys will make the right decisions.
But, yeah, just good luck on that.
Yeah.
Thank you for that.
So, yeah, but, actually, I just want to clarify our, like, concerns about, like, the
GWG spendings with 2 millions.
The problem with GWG spending is that...
There's not 2 million being spent.
Why not 2 million when it was 2 million in your notion table?
We've spent a million in a year, and that's for GWG.
I don't know if that's what you're referring to, or if you're referring to the 3 million
spend...
No, no, no.
I spent for GWG spending money that's in a table that is, like, $1,900,000.
So, it's, like, yeah.
That includes marketing and creatives.
That's a general...
Yeah.
So, you can't call it...
You can't say GWG.
We're not responsible.
Well, I'm not part of the GWG, but GWG is not responsible for marketing and creative
spending.
They're responsible with their own charters, their own legal instruments for their spending.
That's what you would call NDC V0.
So, if we want to use the correct term, it's NDC V0 is that cost.
The GWG is just one of the three that receives funding, which primarily a good portion of that
also went to the community to help build V1 governance.
It went to not just salaries, but it also went to providers to build things.
It went to community members to market to do all kinds of things.
So, yes.
I mean, we just need to be clear when we say these things.
V0 governance is that, not GWG.
100%, you're absolutely right.
And also, there's no 1.9 either.
We're at 1.3 right now, together with MDAO and CDAO.
We're going to hit 1.5 maybe at the end of this month, but there's no 1.9 or 2 million.
I need to check, yeah, because it definitely sold the number of 1.9.
You could have seen that in the budget number, but if you're talking about what we actually
spent, we spent less than the budget, and it's not $2 million.
I think it's just, like, misunderstanding between all the parties.
We just need to have a lot more of this open mic that you guys are doing, which is great,
because we can answer each other's questions.
So, maybe we can do this more in the future and, like, get all the concerns out, get all
the qualifications out, because, like, I know you guys might think that 1 million is all
just GWG spending, but you must understand that also legal entity contracts, all the KYC
processes from Fractal, you also need to do contracting from that.
So, remember, like, I don't want to be, like, a broken record, but during V1, make the budget
think of, like, all the contracting, all the budgeting on that first, then after that,
do the funding, because you will need to do KYC.
NF is pushing KYC towards MDC.
You have to do maybe hiring for positions, so maybe you need to have a chief of staff.
NF was supposed to, like, sponsor that, but they suddenly, they, like, delayed it, you know.
So, that's a problem.
Also, another is, like, a chief of financial officer, no, not a chief of financial, a financial
officer that, like, maybe gives the governing body some advice or, like, helps manage the,
like, the budget and everything.
Like, you guys will need to think of gigs and bounties, not gigs and bounties, open roles
that needed to be filled, and, like, the experts that needed to be hired during V1 so that
everything can run smoothly.
And a KYC officer, you need someone that can look at all the PI, personally identifiable
data and not, you know, misuse that.
So, that's maybe a third person.
And then all of the functions and functionalities that you need to, you should develop for V2
if you could, you know, I'll just mention a couple.
So, ZK Tech, like, right now the vote's open, which, you know, some people think is good,
but fundamentally it's not good, right?
So, you want to have a secret vote.
So, you want to build some ZK Tech so that, you know, V2 voting can be private and confidential.
You should probably focus on building some conviction voting so that people can do quadratic
voting instead of just one person, 29 votes, right?
So, quadratic voting would be a great added feature.
You should maybe look at a no KYC option or a bypass to KYC that's, you know, built on
other tech, you know, for example, upvotes or a web of trust or many, many other options
integrating with Gitcoin Passport.
Well, I don't know, but, you know, I do know.
I do know a lot about all those options, but I don't know which one you'll pick and which
one you'll build.
So, you should be looking at that and then maybe a fourth one, fourth example that you
should be looking at is joint funding.
So, right now people can apply for funding, you know, left, right and center and no one
really knows how much any one person got from this fund or from that fund or from MDAL,
from CDAL, from any other grassroots, from the foundation, from whatever, right?
So, you want to build a joint funding tracker.
Maybe you have even an intake funnel that distributes people.
Always say, okay, you want money.
You're asking from, you know, grassroots X, but really you should be asking from grassroots
So, we're going to send you that way instead.
So, you can track and, you know, make sure that no one's double dipping.
That'd be an amazing thing.
And I can launch 10 other ideas that you guys should be focusing on.
And that's where the discussion should be.
So, come on, guys.
Talk about vision.
A hundred percent, you should do another space to speak about, like, what is your vision of
the V1?
What do you think it was, like, what do you think it's the most important parts that should
you elected how this is built?
And so, a hundred percent, I agree with you.
And it will be interesting to listen because you need to understand your experience.
But, also, I want to mention that, as I understand, like, the most spending of the budget, as you
say, like, 1.3 million, okay, for the GVG, it was the salaries, right, and bounties.
The salaries and bounties.
For me, personally, I really, I saw for what the bounties was given.
I really don't understand.
I really don't understand our CVG bounties.
I really don't understand bounties for marketing of challenges that we have only, like, 10,
20 people that, like, participated for, like, 1,000 prize.
I don't really understand.
I'm human boarding challenge with, like, how much?
10,000?
Come on.
And, like, much, a lot of things that GVG was spending, spent money, it was, like, not effective
as it could be.
And that is, like, my domain concern for the GVG and the NDC that was built in V0.
I don't know what you're talking about, 10,000.
So, we had an onboarding campaign that the winner got 1,200 bucks, and in total, I think
we spent about 2,000.
No, no, I mean 4,000.
We had a content competition that resulted in, like, 1,500 bucks with tweets and articles
and graphics and all kinds of stuff.
There was 38 winners in that.
Most of them got, like, 20, 30 bucks in their winnings.
So, like, nothing.
Like, absolutely nothing.
Some of them got, like, 100 bucks or whatnot.
So, in total, yeah, 2,000 bucks, you may think it sounds like a lot, but I think it sounds
like nothing.
So, yeah, let's look at the details before you just throw around numbers.
There's no one thing that costs $20,000.
But, like, Kikis, just one thing.
Sorry if I, like, interrupted you.
Moving, like, after V1, if you feel like all the past things GWG was wrong, like, if you
get elected in, just basically improve on it, change on it.
Like, we are not trying to be a reference.
We just want to, like, make the NDC, like, be able to come out, stand out, and, like, let
the community have at least some sort of funding during the bear market.
Right?
Because before that, it was, like, basically no grant funding at all during one year.
And, like, I know that everybody can say, like, why are you spending money on this?
Why are you spending your money on that?
But once you step into the shoes of the governing bodies and have the responsibility, you'll
understand from a wider view, you have to, like, you have to please basically everybody.
You got to do the I'm Human competition to also, like, give the community some way of,
like, being able to participate in the NDC before V1.
Like, I know that you might think it's a waste of a marketing.
But, like, we want to at least engage the near community members in the building of the
NDC during VO.
Instead of, like, oh, you guys can just basically, after V1, we'll just build everything done.
And after elections, okay, you guys can just participate in it.
Like, I understand all of that.
But it's just a, we want to put all the community to come in, participate, like, help around.
No, not help around.
Basically, like, they can, like, have fun during this time.
But that's it.
That's my opinion.
Yeah, the last question for me and then Yuri and Blaze.
So, yeah, and the second, my biggest concern is that, is that, I don't know why, in NDC,
I didn't see people who already have a big influence in the ecosystem.
Okay, Blaze.
I admire that Blaze is a big person.
Yes, because he built a shard for nodes.
Okay, but I don't see other person, I didn't see other persons.
And that is, like, the biggest problem that, I don't know why, Blaze couldn't connect the
community people to build the NDC.
And if, I don't know, we had, when Blaze come to his role, we already had several communities,
big communities, that you could work with.
And it was, like, much less money needed to spend on it.
You could connect, like, a lot of mods, a lot of chat admins to, like, facilitate all
these processes.
And it will be, like, good result.
Believe me.
And they will get, like, really little money for that.
And I really just can't understand why it wasn't like that.
That's it.
Yeah.
If you have anything to answer, please.
Yeah.
I did reach out.
I did reach out to so many community members.
You know, even to Zavadil, Evgeny.
I reached out to everyone individually and said, hey, can you help with NDC?
The common response was, we're pretty busy with what we've got going on.
We're not going to be able to help right now.
Right?
So then you start with where you are, whoever shows up.
And that's how NDC started.
And to say there wasn't people in NDC with great experience, we have Ozzy Mandeas, who
has created, you know, Open Forage Protocol, who is, you know, helped create Move Capital,
who ran Ants for Ants back in the, you know, back in the Guild days, who also had Open Web Sandbox,
highly successful, Robert Zaremba, who is a cross-chain dev, highly sought after on Cosmos,
helped found Net141, a co-author of that specification on NIR, now the author or co-author of the
Soulbound Token Standard on NIR, which is getting a lot of rave reviews on Twitter, right, because
people are starting to look towards Soulbound Token.
So, I mean, it's not a fair statement to say there weren't qualified people there, when
the first people that showed up were highly qualified.
So from there, then we just started adding community.
And, you know, most of the community that was left at that point were typically newer
community. And so since they showed up, we weren't going to tell them, oh, you can't be
here, you can't contribute. So we let them contribute. And over a series of months, if
someone didn't have the necessary skills, we kind of just let them know, thank you for
your contribution. And every contribution matters, but we might need to reconsider someone
else in this role, open up a role, do interviews. So that's been the process. And, you know, I've
continued to ping a lot of these ecosystem leaders. I'm a member of the ecosystem roundtable,
which has all of the leaders in the ecosystem. I provide updates on NDC literally about every
other week, if not weekly to them. They're well apprised of what's taking place. So it's not for
a lack of, you know, not trying to engage people, but the reality is governance is dry.
Nobody wants to interact with something unless it's real, right? And NDC just hasn't been
real up until this point to mostly everybody. Now the whole community is engaged, the whole
ecosystem is engaged in NDC, right? But you have to come to that point where the spark is
there and people have to have something tangible to interact with. And that's the point we're
at now.
Ladies, Kaz, first of all, I want to tell you thank you for your job. You really did a lot.
And I have a lot, only one concern. And I think what, what I really think you, that was a really
big mistake to participate for you and for Kaz and for all who did a lot of this job in NDC,
participate in election. I think you did a lot of job and you have to, like, step away from this and see what
happens. That was like, a good decision for this. I don't know what do you think about this. And I don't
know, is it a good idea for now? I see...
Are you saying we're not part of the community or...?
No, no, no. You shouldn't participate in this, like, on this election.
For fairness, right?
Yes, for fairness.
The person that creates it shouldn't participate in it.
Yeah, it's a good idea to step back from this and don't participate in this election.
For, for, for Blaze, it's 100%. It, you can be like a, you can be like an angel for the NDC.
You can be like, you can help for with all of this. But the idea to participate in this, participate
in this voting, this is why, like, you can, you, you already see what, what happens.
All community fight against you. It's, it's not good for community.
You did a lot of job. You, I see, for, for example, I see the cast has a great vision.
He, he knows about these, the K pages, he knows about, about the, like, digital identity
on, and all of this stuff. He knows how to build this thing, how to, what's next.
What's next. But for now, like, uh, you will not be an angel because you are a competitor
to, uh, to winners who will win on this.
I don't know. I, I think, I think your, your logic is, is flawed in that, um, in a couple
of different aspects. One is that you're arguing that we should try and find the best people,
um, to lead near. Right. And this is the new way of leading near. And then you're saying
that not the best people can, uh, I'm not saying that I am, but, uh, maybe blazes the
best person. Um, and then we can't run. Uh, I don't, I don't see how that logic works.
Right. Either you want the best or you don't want the best. And the other thing is, um, so
I actually, I actually was seriously considering not running and I was, I was absolutely not going
absolutely not going to run. But when I told people that going back and I hear that you've
got a lot of criticism in this particular little group here, but when I told other people, like
most people were like, what, why wouldn't you run? That is going to look really bad. It's
going to look like all of like the rats are fleeing off the ship before it sinks, uh, and
stuff like that. We, I didn't want it to look like that at all. I don't expect to win.
I don't, I don't necessarily want to win because being in this political limelight, it's
not fun to me at all. I'm, uh, I'm losing sleep at night and that's not good. I'm my,
my, my wife is saying, you know, I shouldn't be running, but I, I, I, I want to step forward
and I want to be able to say that I believe in this. I'm proud of what we built and I would
be proud to stay in it if you guys would, would elect me, but you know, uh, it's, it's
not fun and I'm not doing it because it's fun. I'm doing it because I believe in it.
I believe in near and I believe in NDC and what we've built here. And I think that I'm
part of the community and I can deserve a fair chance to run. Why not? So I don't understand
I don't understand your criticism really place. Maybe I don't, I don't know if you have any
other points on that. It's, it's about who else is, who else is better to run than those
that have been here that created the framework that I've read every document. I've read every
message on telegram. I've read every governance forum post, right? So I have a good understanding
of what this governance framework is. And the reason I'm running is to help shepherd it, right?
To help, you know, the, the governing bodies to be part of that, to ensure that we, you know,
we run this first governance session, uh, in a way that, you know, uh, upholds really this
constitution and this governance framework. So that's the reason I'm running, you know, is to ensure that,
um, you know, I can be part of this initial governance and you can only run for two sessions,
right? In a row. So, uh, that's, that's the reason I'm running. It's really to support the community,
to support the vision of NDC and to ensure its success.
I got your point. It's, it's, it's your, it's your vision. I can't fight against it. So it's, it's your vision,
it's, it's, it's your vision, but I think you have a lot of friends, you have a lot of,
uh, like, uh, connections and you can onboard a lot of good people with, uh,
with a lot of knowledge is, uh, from different platforms, from different projects. And you, you,
uh, you can't do that. Use experience. But if you want to like participate in this election,
it's, it's your decision.
Yeah. NDC is basically blazes baby and he wants to see it through to the end. So him running in,
him running in is basically just to hoping that his vision continues and it doesn't dies out.
But yeah, try, try not to be as bashful as, as you guys are usually on the OG chat. Like I know that
we aren't that good of a communicators, our marketing are lacking, but we are trying,
we're trying to let you guys know what we're trying to do, what the visions are and everything.
So that you guys can understand like the whole, the bigger picture instead of like, just what is happening in front of you.
Like everything has, everything has a deeper meaning into it.
Yeah. I fully agree with you, but it's like a blaze kid. Yes. It's like his child, but, uh,
let's have to know that, uh, we, if we participate here, it's not only his child.
So, but that's why, that's why you can, that's why you can trust us because we are opening it up.
We want you guys to run. We want everyone to run. We want other people to win.
Right. We, we built this thing to be democratic because we built, believe in democracy.
So it's not like, it's not going to be blazes baby. Even if you've got the top position,
like it's going to be seven people in the house, um, in the council of advice.
15, 15. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 15 in a house of marriage.
Seven and council of advisors. Yeah.
We, uh, when I came to this group, I have a lot of, uh, also have a lot of ideas.
I sent this ideas to this group, but let's, uh, do this and that.
And, uh, Blaise told me, you just one person here of this, this idea, step back.
And this is what Blaise told to everyone.
Yes. Step back. We know what we do.
No problem.
Like it's not about not accepting your feedback, but like try to do it in a more constructive and more respectful manner.
I know you are very straightforward because you, you want to do what's best for the new ecosystem.
But like, you got to understand Blaise is very stressed every day.
He has to ensure that this goes well.
Like everybody is able to come in here, build well for the NDC, build well for the new ecosystem.
But you guys just coming in here, like just hitting on him every time, everything that he does.
Like it's, it stacks up to him and he's mental.
Isn't that good?
And not easy.
Let me come back on this.
That's not it.
That's not it.
So yeah, no respect.
Yeah.
Well, I just want to say that, no, it's not about shutting down ideas.
But what typically happens with NDC is when an OG like yourself and, you know, I invited you into some of these groups and then you got fired up and started going right.
But when an OG joins, their first inclination is to change everything because they really haven't dug deep into what NDC is.
And I assure you, very few people still have today.
Right.
And a lot of these decisions have been made over time by the community, not me.
Everyone wants to say Blaze is up at the top, making all these decisions.
I have worked very hard not to make decisions because I know how, you know, the community can be about single individuals making decisions on their behalf.
So we really empowered the community to make decisions from this through this process.
And it was actually the first outcry that we received is they said, you're building this governance, but we have no voice and we have no ability to say what we want done.
And so that's why we built easy pull.
So it has been a process of discovery.
But, you know, it's not about shutting down ideas.
It's about that at some point, you know, this governance framework has been iterated over six to eight months.
At some point, you got to lock it down and go test it. Right.
It's had a lot of input from a lot of people.
And, you know, what you were proposing was a centralized model versus this decentralized model that the community has opted for.
So, you know, whoever is elected, obviously, they have the ability to change this governance framework.
So that's just the reality of it.
Oh, if you don't like it, change it for V2 instead.
When you guys are in the House of America's Advisors Transparency Commission, the power is basically in with you guys afterwards.
Oh, sorry, Kikis, I cut you off.
This is you and this is the problem.
So it's not about just just imagine 21 person will come and we'll try to change everything.
It's not a good idea because Blaze and small team do it themselves.
And Blaze, it was really small team.
And you it's about a small version of centralization because you do it, the small team.
And this is centralization.
This is why you already got the good result.
That was a small team.
And this is what I'm trying to tell you.
It's maybe it's not a good idea to start from three houses.
Because if we will not get a good result on the beginning of NBC.
After this, it will be very hard to build the next version of this and explain to community that that was then some we have some mistakes.
We spent our budget to scams or something like something like this.
You start from the beginning to start from started from small team and you build something big.
Thank you for this.
If if you need more respect from me, just tell me I will make it.
I will try to make something bigger for you.
Yeah, so I think the key thing to understand is that, you know, we've been testing this governance model now in V0.
Right.
So this isn't like going to be like when these 29 seats are appointed, they're only going to already be doing what we're doing today.
So we're doing it today.
Creatives is online.
Marketing is online.
Right.
GWG is online.
Now, it happens to be that GWG is acting as a house of merit at this moment.
Right.
Right.
So they are acting as that kind of budgeting, funding, you know, creating processes, procedures, things of that nature.
But the difference is, is that they're also engaging the community via polling to help finalize decisions.
Right.
And so that's where the Council of Advisors is.
The community has been advising this process.
Executives throughout the ecosystem.
There are 30 champions in NDC.
That means 30 leaders of top founding projects that have contributed to NDC in some way.
Big names, you know, all the big names you would expect.
So it's not like something that's been done by a small team in a vacuum.
In fact, the matter is that this governance framework is actively under test right now in V0 governance.
But what we're doing now is getting rid of the GWG and instead electing 29 representatives from the community to take over basically the next version and to scale it up a little bit more.
Yeah. You know, it could always be smaller.
But one of the biggest things that we have to deal with right now, you know, in even the voting and we knew this up front is, you know, collusion.
How do you avoid one part of the community taking over the complete governance framework?
Right. And so that was one of the key strategies.
Why there's so many seats is to make sure that we got a better representation.
And even with the heavy voting that's coming in right now in the House of Merit, you can see that some of the seats look like they will go to other parts of the community.
Realizing we probably still have, I think, about 35 percent to 50 percent of the vote going to come in.
It looks like everybody's waiting to vote now until next week.
So, you know, that that's kind of some background on that.
So, Blaise, if I will win, but I will not win in this election, but I will ask the people who will win, ask you to be an advisor for NDC.
Maybe you will work for free.
We will not give you a money for this, but I will ask you to implement all of your ideas to the next version.
Also, I really see that Kaz is a good person.
He will also are ready to work for free for the next half a year.
Kaz.
But let's...
This is why I know in Happy Protocol, we already built the digital identity system and NDC build system for linear and for base system.
I know how it works.
I know how it works, the key pages and all of this shitty stuff.
And I think we will spend some millions just to build this election system with ZK.
But I think we need advisors and angels like you and Kaz, because you have a lot of experience in this.
And I think we have to onboard people like you to House of Merit and other houses.
So this is what we really need.
Yeah.
I mean, go ahead.
Yeah, I'm going to work for free.
Yeah.
So I propose...
You already work for food.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I already work for food for a long time.
So this is why I'm a new believer, right?
So yeah, I propose to end this call today, at this moment, this beautiful moment.
Remember all your questions and move to other this open big call.
I don't know, maybe tomorrow, maybe on Friday.
Yes.
Yes.
Just invite maybe more people like Zavadil, maybe somebody else.
Yeah.
Thanks, yeah.
Thanks.
Thanks, everybody.
Thanks for joining this awesome call.
I really like it.
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I hope this is really big we're in the future of all of our friends, on Patreon and Facebook.
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