Good morning, can you hear me?
I had to delete that post
repost that in a few minutes.
Twitter is just too much for me.
When are they gonna fix this thing?
Yeah, you know when everyone's starting to do the medicine?
it'll always be like a thread,
which is kind of annoying,
but they'll have a graphic that says
end of tweet or whatever.
Anything, you know, last comment
I think people should probably figure it out by now,
but you never know. People are so gullible,
an account that has blocked
the account who made the original
very straightforward red flag
for them to pick up at this point and just
or flag it, you know, a spam.
Yeah, I get impersonators
all the time. I just have one the other day
it's stupid that they can
comment on your post, like you said.
It makes no sense. If they block you,
how can they post on your post?
It seems like the easiest fix ever.
God bless everybody over at
Twitter or X or whatever they want to
call themselves these days.
into the pricing for Premium
Membership, and I really appreciate
all of the tears that they
So thank you for that, Twitter.
Now fix your platform so people
stop losing money. Anyways,
Jayden. We got Patrick in the room.
down there in the audience. Hey, hey.
Always telling people to use Yieldmost.
So, you know, shout out to
you for being in the room.
But let's jump into it today.
for those of you that don't know me,
my name is Tyree Robinson. I'm
I've been with the company since
Blockchain a hundred thousand times.
will be the retiring age.
age by the time we're allowed to retire, by the way,
Happy Friday. Good morning to everybody.
today to be able to have Jackal
We've been in conversation over the past
few weeks, and these guys
have brought what I consider to be a really
outpost over on Orion Chain
storage system. It's going to open up a lot of
utilities for builders on Orion Chain
really excited to sort of dive into it deep with you guys.
I'm going to pass it to you,
Jaden Patrick, for some intros.
Great to be here, Tyree. Thank you for
the kind words. Couldn't think of a
better way to spend our Friday morning
than with you and the community here.
Really excited to be here. I'm Jaden.
I'm the Director of Growth
over here at Jackal Labs.
really, really great to be here this
morning. Super excited to get started on
being one of the first deployments of
Jackal Outpost. We can get into that,
but my name's Patrick. I am the co-founder
and CEO of Jackal Labs, where we
blockchains with simple smart contract calls
locally. So we're Cosmos L1
and we deliver value to other L1s.
building D-Pen before it was called
Yes, sometimes the narrative comes
We're just here to build products that people like
delivers, honestly, just value to
end users at the end of the day.
the mainnet for you guys?
in this space. It seems like 10 years ago,
but I don't know, it hasn't been that long.
When was the ride change mainnet?
I'm going to say it for the first time
I'm probably going to have to say it again for the next
When I listened to Greg talk
from Akash, right? He was like
That's like a label that's created
communities to create narratives for hype
was sort of like a bit of
How do you feel, Patrick, from
your perspective, now that obviously
you said the narrative is catching up with you,
but how do you feel to sort of have
this label applied on you
when you've been really working in
sort of cloud computing for quite
are just kind of categories,
right? And if people want to classify
us as that, sure, go for it.
But at the end of the day, you won't
really be seeing that on our website or anything
at the end of the day. We
do one thing really specific in its
storage, and we could deliver that value
to other chains at the end of the day.
Fund came up with the name, because they wanted to build
this kind of idea, right? And they
wanted to have a way to market it, and kind of
like a catch-all. So, I understand it from that
decentralized physical infrastructure,
it's kind of difficult, because
as Greg said, it is a catch-all,
right? As long as you have
physical servers, or kind of some
physical component associated
with your blockchain, then I guess it's a D-pin,
but every blockchain needs
Holodators, so I don't know where
the buck stops at the end of the day, but
that ends up being like a really
important, I mean, for me
what you end up with is this, like
you create a category just
it strips away the uniqueness of what some
Jackal has built is truly unique
and stands apart from other
categories that are not in the same
league, right? And so that's where I guess
you know, without sort of
actually, you know what, this is
your time, I want you to shill it.
the best solution available
today for decentralized storage.
There's a number of different things, right?
Jackal is one of the few proof of stake
storage networks, so if you kind of look at the
competitive landscape right now,
most things are proof of work,
so you kind of have a really long
block times, kind of meant for like a
cold storage archive, and they have their use case, and that's
But when you talk about the things that
IBC special, and Modular Blockchain
special, we took all of that
and applied it to data storage.
That being said, we have a unique ability
rather than kind of fighting
other blockchains in a zero-sum game
for developers. Let's say that you're
a developer on Orion Chain,
storage, whether it's for
checkpoints for chat history,
or it's storing foundational
models, whatever it might be.
You find yourself in a situation
where you have two options, right?
Your option number one is
and go build like on top of
and they kind of fight with the other blockchains
for developers and users,
which is kind of silly because you lose your community,
it just becomes really fragmented.
or Microsoft Azure as like a pinning
you have great speeds, you have some other
you have to pay with credit card, hopefully
continuously renew that credit card or else
everything's gone, but at the end of the
this is central to a point of failure which kind of
defeats the purpose of having decentralized
artificial intelligence or decentralized applications.
does is, is it possible to have the best of both
instead of fighting with other blockchains
for the same developers and users,
can you deliver value to those blockchains?
do one thing extremely, extremely well,
the highest digital privacy, cyber security
products are possible, it's hot storage, we have
proof of stake speeds, we have
all kinds of features that people
at the end of the day if you're looking to build
a full stack web app, like a full stack application
So, what we chose to do instead of
fight, we deliver value through
something we call Outposts, and
this gives us the ability to take all of our
blockchain modules, jam them into
a smart contract and deploy them cross-chain.
as long as we can get arbitrary
data back to the Jackal blockchain
to kind of do the storage
on a ridechain or any other
blockchain with a simple smart contract call.
like having it locally, so
every blockchain is a file coin, every blockchain
is an air weave, and every blockchain
It's our developers are your developers
and your developers are our developers
and it kind of gives us more of a unified
front and we're providing
service rather than fighting. That's kind
of how I like to explain it at least.
you for that Patrick, and I mean from
hear my daughter yelling in the background
from your perspective right
the use cases, and you touched on it a little bit,
looked at the use cases that are going to
be sort of unlocked by this, what
are the most exciting things that you would like to
on a ridechain in the outposts
that you deploy over on this site?
as you know, blockchain is kind of limited
governance and lending use cases
because we can't put that much data on chain.
By having a Jackal outpost
unlocks all kinds of new verticals
for developers on a ridechain, which is
pretty cool. So if you want to think about
in the areas of peer-to-peer
transfer, compute over data, you want
to get into decentralized science, data
of things, stuff. If you wanted to kind of build
a little deep in app that's AI enabled, that would
be cool too. E-signatures,
data marketplaces, publishing,
AI and machine learning applications,
cyber security use cases,
is really important if you're
looking to build a full scale
application at the end of the day,
blockchain leads that value either
to other storage monolithic
and Microsoft Azure. So kind
of unifying it, making it simple,
having it locally so you can actually
actually decentralized applications in
a way that it's meant to be,
right? Just smart contract calls, no
API spaghetti, none of that stuff.
and this is kind of why I think IBC
wins. It unlocks new verticals, we
can deliver value rather than fight
for a specific use case and
we want to deliver as much value
to other blockchains at the end of the day.
It just really unlocks new verticals,
marketplaces for that matter.
limit really, which is pretty exciting.
for those of you in the crowd
that have worked with me,
there might be a few people in here in the past
is connect people right away
might be synergies for people to immediately
begin to use new resources that
are available on a ride chain.
that we looked at together
have a proposal from Thales right now
who is built over on Injective currently
have this great proposal from Jackal coming in
that you guys are placed right away
because that's number one.
I think that you're adding incredible
value to the network, obviously
adding more utility to a ride token
which we'll sort of touch on in a hot minute
important to make sure that
let's say three or four months from now
it won't take another six months
What's sort of your go-to-market strategy?
Maybe Jaden this is a question for you
but what's your go-to-market strategy
with these outposts to sort of
get involved with the chain and be a part
I think that's a great question and I'm happy to jump
I think the name of the game with these outposts
and the most important thing for
even setting them up and building
the foundation is to find partners
with shared vision in mind.
So Tyree and Arai Chain are a
perfect example where our
is going to be one of extreme
collaboration and synergies.
connecting us with Talus. He's already
connecting us with other teams
that are thinking about coming over to Arai Chain.
outpost is deployed and even
before the outpost is deployed
is to make sure that any and all projects
that are even thinking about
coming over to Arai Chain know about
Jackal, know about how we can help
almost looking at it the exact same
way that we're looking at the partnership with Tyree
and Arai Chain where everything
example, if Talus comes and deploys
job at that point to get in a room
with Talus, find how Jackal can deliver
the most value for a project like
that and then to go out and execute.
thing, especially with these first couple of
things that we would want is
a dozen plus use cases, as
these outposts are deployed and even
just to make it clear here, this is
outpost deployment, is that correct
or is there another one already live?
the cool thing about the way that we're
building these outposts or thinking about
building these outposts is each one of them
going to be different than other L1s.
So that's the really cool
where we get to partner with
projects that we believe in
like Arai, unlock unique use
cases and figure out how to tailor
So yeah, as you said, no outposts
and this is absolutely going to be the
first where we're even breathing
well with the retrieval augmented
this is something with AIs early and we all
know that but kind of new
frameworks to how to leverage AI
is really interesting too
if you're an AI developer
and you have a few options
for outgrowing those even pretty quickly.
Option two is you can pay around
five million dollars to find two in a model.
Option number three is you have to build
your own foundational model that is
with the current standards and those are
The downside of that is it's super expensive
obviously, whether it's development
time or you have to pay a third party
and the other thing is that there's
trained under proprietary information
privacy and security posture so
these retrieval augmented
generation frameworks that we're looking at is something that
we're really excited to bring to
a ride chain in general. I know
B's been working really hard on it where
you essentially hack an AI
proprietary information without losing
security posture by protecting the
vector database within the JACO protocol.
for anybody that's just hearing about
RAG frameworks for the first time just
a really quick high level
what it is, why it's important
you touched on it a little bit but I just want to get
simplified for people that are hearing
RAG frameworks for the first time.
do it as good of a justice as our developer
give it my best shot for you guys.
Essentially with a RAG framework is
proprietary information about your business
right? So let's say that I
grocery store right? It's a small business
and I want to make informed decisions about
marketing campaigns and I have
all this data about my customers
all of our sales and all of our sales history
and what time people come to the door.
me to make informed decisions about
a marketing push for example
my own model which would cost
or build my own foundational model
and I'm a grocery store and I don't have developers right?
So RAG frameworks give us its
unique ability to hack an LLM
to understand your vector database
We have a really cool blog on it as well
if anyone wants to go read that on our website
we like to use open source models so it's usually
a lot of index. You make a call
it goes through our vector database
that's kind of protected and self-custodial
on the Java protocol so you can
maintain privacy and if you have any privacy
files associated with your customer's data that you need to
protect you're good there
as well and then it takes
the LLM runs through that vector database
and it now has context about your
business. You can do this on a really
really small scale if anyone has an open
AI account you can upload
but this can be a limitation
very often and it doesn't have
that good of a context often as well.
Once it runs through that context
using the RAG framework now you
can actually get a response
tailored to you but it's also
extremely efficient and extremely cheap
500X improvements when it comes to
pretty special stuff plus you maintain
benefits to doing it this way where essentially
hacking the AI to know your data
without giving up your privacy.
not two different movements but two different
content that are really primary right
that's a little bit of what you're talking about right now
and content being generated
idea of RAG frameworks also enables
individuals to be able to
permission or remove permissions
to their proprietary intellectual
generating images or music or something
like that. Is that right Patrick?
me. I just have this front state as I said like
AI's early and RAG's super early so
right now it works best in the context
of a large language model
but going forward I wouldn't
be surprised if it starts doing things in the
area of text. It just depends on what model you're
using at the end of the day and what it's
enabled to do. At the end of the day
the value that RAG frameworks
would deliver to a RAG chain is
smaller development teams
that are startups on a budget can punch above
their RAG class really, really simply and efficiently.
has all kinds of privacy and security benefits
if that's something that they value but
at the end of the day it gives AI developers
to punch above their RAG class and
application specific way rather than just
having something that does a lot of things really well
I don't care about a lot of things. I just want to have a
good marketing plan as I gross it.
bit more bespoke. You can punch above your RAG class
and it's very specific to the use case.
maybe a bit of a question
for you Jaden but when we look at
Treasury as you guys know
has grown to be quite significant
collaborate if this proposal
of programming would you be
on a ride chain in order to actually
push that adoption. Obviously there's
the business development. Let's get people
in front of you but everybody
in crypto works on incentive.
I don't think there's anybody in
our audience would disagree with that.
What would you think are the most effective
incentivize people to use
Yeah that's a great question and I think
that we've been pretty fortunate
the only incentive that we've
gigabyte for a couple of pennies
plan. And really the idea of that
Tyree is to get people trying Jekyll
so that they can see the value
and then they end up buying a couple of terabytes
great success rate with that.
Now with regards to other
incentives just because we've been
lucky so far doesn't mean that
incentives I think the best thing that we
can do is just be flexible.
Learn about the community that we're
about to jump into. Learn about what
incentives are working so far and then potentially
obviously we're talking right now about
expanding the developer toolkit but
I do want to create some space so you can discuss
consumer facing applications that you
That's the awesome thing right?
Essentially it's a smart contract that has
all of our modules ported into
our ride chain. So now our ride chain is Jekyll
right? So it's pretty cool
in that sense and that means that all of
the native apps that are built on Jekyll come
radiant application, radiant
for example it's like 200 year storage
that you pay once and you store forever.
in the area like Stratus like
API base but you also have Amuse
There's Beacon which is more of
a medium style publishing platform
you want to have the ability to
of the day the incentives
obviously we can do token incentives and things on those lines
developers have just been really
excited to work with a team that is
number one where we'll do anything
whether it's on our chain or any other chain
that is using Jekyll. We're there for them
we're available for them.
the moat that we like to have
and just shipping applications
on Jekyll, shipping outposts on to
other chains, giving just
great developer evangelism so that we're there for
them and they're excited to work with us.
And then on top of that we're still like
3x multi-region redundancy that will run you
about $200 a month per terabyte.
It's no ingress, no egress
If you decide to cancel your plan we're not
going to charge you the cancellation fees.
There's a lot of competitive advantages
when it comes to features but there's a lot more
holistic benefits as well to working with us
for everything is documentation
toss it back to you for a second Patrick
to talk about what kind of documentation
developer community can expect
in terms of documentation
if you're a first time developer
pro level, been in the space
so I want to sort of hear your
Yeah just kind of being like a foundational
layer of the stack. It depends
whether are you building an application
or are you just like an end user that wants like an awesome
place to store their memes right
so it kind of being valuable
and having all kinds of different use cases
makes it a little bit difficult for us but it's also
a wonderful competitor at the edge at the same time
documentation obviously we need to have
awesome documentation for all the developers
and that's going to be a big focus of ours
but also just developer evangelism
and just having great support
for the developers that are building there
sometimes that's just as good
documentation is important, everyone has to have it there
for people that may not be developers
they just kind of want to use Jocko storage
you're going to have all of our
applications so whether you just want
cloud storage, whether you want to write a blog
publish it, whether you want to
make sure your keys aren't going to go away
if an Amazon server explodes or something like that
kind of having valueability
being like a really low level of a stack
it's hard for us to anticipate all the different use cases
because storage is just fundamental
for almost every app on the internet
documentation 100% is going to be there
yeah and I guess for me I'm more
thinking about people that
it attracts a brand new audience that is
not really a blockchain audience
your storage is really going to rely
people that are now coming in and
learning new languages, learning new skill sets
that's going to operate on top of
wondering about, especially
with sort of the RAG framework
thinking about somebody that says
okay well I want to create a bot
either for myself or my users
that's going to use my analysis
or my database that's going to be
for somebody that's working on
side, maybe you might have
somebody on your team like this
how do you anticipate that transition
and working with Cosmwasm
and then dealing with sort of
how do you anticipate that experience is going to be?
the same reason that they would
come to build an AI application
on a ride chain is likely the same reason
they would want to use Jackal
so if they didn't care about self custody
or resilience against information
supply chain attacks and things along these lines
that they're just going to be like
I'd rather just build this AI
myself on a local computer or have
a server in my house or an Amazon server
but if those are your core values
and that's why you're building an AI
we're like a core feature of the stack
they can build an AI agent
locally with just a database
and a little bit of storage and you can do that
actually wonderful application
let's say that I built an LLM
agent and I want my agent
to remember my conversations
very simple use case like I don't
want my AI agent to have dementia
I wanted to come back to it I wanted to remember
I wanted to have all these things
this is a use case where you'd want to integrate
Jackal for that so at the end of the
day we're here for the developers that
are building on a ridechain if they're there for the
same reasons that they're on a
ridechain it's very likely that they would want to use us as well
also bringing our apps to the consumers
and as well once we start
to get into the larger files and
great bucket storage solution for that as well
just bringing more functionality
and just bringing all of Jackal's features
to a ridechain so we can punch above our
weight class together is kind of my thought process
about economics a little bit right so
obviously in your proposal
be through a ride token so
but how does that value translate
validator set storage providers
the value that's delivered is you have
transactions on chain that's a big one
you have another use case for the ride token
there's a lot of like kind of meta
economic benefits that a ridechain receives
when it comes to the storing of the data
a message is sent to the validators
on Jackal and then the storage providers
receive the file and then their copy for redundancy
and our validator set maintains that storage
so at the end of the day you're paying
in a ridechain with a bunch of meta-economic
solutions for a ridechain
transactions, whether it's
how many transactions per block
whether it's more use cases for the ride token
a lot of thought into this and the application
and there's a ton of stuff there as well
storage you have to pay for
you have to pay for the service that's
going to be rendered and for us to
do that you're paying about eight dollars a month per
protocol to make sure that that data
it's essentially just like payment for the service
rendered and that's the economic solution for
the Jackal protocol and the incentives to store that data
the storage providers need to be paid and the data
Yeah and just to be clear
in a ride token, how do they receive those
before the V4 upgrade which should be
it has to be paid in Jackal
so there has to be a way for
us to receive payment on a ride
get it into Jackal and then pay
V4 we can actually start taking a new
storage riders can get like a basket of currencies
sole exposure to Jackal so they can be paid
it's kind of comes down to
path of least resistance to
getting started but after that we
can start working on other things where we
would really like for our storage providers and our validators
to also be paid in our ride tokens as well
which is pretty cool. Yeah
I mean that timeline really works
out to, and correct me if
I'm wrong here Patrick, but that timeline works out
to be essentially in line
with your deployment here. So
looking at where we are today let's just call it
you guys are putting your
proposal on chain 5 days from there you're
that would bring us easily
into the beginning of Q3 so there's an opportunity
there's a chance that your
validators may be able to get paid
they want it to get paid from
obviously it's blockchain development and there's a lot of
moving parts it's kind of like flying an airplane
and fixing it on the way but
100% assuming that the B4 upgrade
goes through on the Jocko Protocol by the
time that the outposts is deployed
obviously outposts is priority
number one for us before the
make sure that the services are rendered and we
over deliver on our promises. So
whatever the current state of the
Jocko Protocol by the time we deploy that's going to be
next priority is shipping that B4
like it's a very very large possibility that
by the time that we deploy the outposts
it's like really really really early
probably in the voting period or pretty close to getting
blockchain development it's the amount of
time plus three months when it comes to like
protocol development not as much the outposts
that's awesome and I think that we're
you know as we're looking
we love adding new tokens to our ecosystem
so what I'm trying to get an understanding of right now
is whether or not we're going to
sort of periphery of this proposal we're
also going to go ahead and list
on Arai DEX and if that would be
a fundamental piece of creating
that transfer so that all of your people
Protocol side are receiving their
having more pools and having more liquidity
is always really important for us for the
liquidity planning standpoint in general so
that's not out of the question at all
it really just comes down to
the current state of the Jocko Protocol by the time
so whether it's just a ridechain directly to
the Jocko Protocol or we have to do a
swap on a ridechain before
having a service rendered it really depends
tell us a little bit about your token
for a minute, like what is the core
utility of the token, how does
sign of a lot of things which is pretty interesting right
so it's number one, it's a medium of exchange
for data storage right now
it's collateral for storage providers to spin up
the network so in the event that they don't do a respectful shutdown
the collateral gets flashed
if they don't do a respectful shutdown
then it's not really a big deal because we have
three times redundancy and the network will
auto-heal for that third form of redundancy
but to kind of have like a
softer transitionary period
we like to have collateral for the storage providers
it's a work token to capture the value
of the applications that are built on the Jocko Protocol
that are also cross-chain deployed
you stake Jocko to secure the protocol
and earn yield for doing so
incentivize bootstrapping operational expense
for storage and for validators
when it comes to the economics
of how the Jocko Token works
in this V4 upgrade that's
probably going to be really close to the time without
post-deployment or maybe before
this is kind of more it's like a real
yield slash inflation hybrid
so we have a mint module that
kind of I kind of see it as like a universal
basic income that's like that inflation
that most Cosmos chains have
to secure the network and incentivize
validators that's going to be lowered
quite a bit and then we're going to kind of move
towards more of a real yield framework with storage
about like 35% of the storage payment would go
directly to the providers about 40%
goes to the protocol on liquidity
to make sure that their Jocko protocol has
like more income streams and then
there's also like a referral router so
if there's a referral you
there'll be a commission for that if there's no code
then it goes directly to the stakers as well
inflation real yield hybrid is what we're going
for in this next cup Craig
from my perspective we've been
tokenomics is like one of the hardest things
major change in our tokenomics
we were focused primarily on
sure that there would you know
that the DAO was really in control
of the network right this was a major
today we're having this conversation because
as the foundation we decided
we're going to cut out the
we're going to cut out the allocation for the advisors
the DAO treasury and make
representative democracy of a ride chain
for people to come and actually
to build the network the way that they want to see it
lucky and I would say even
I'm not too religious but I'm going to say
I think that you guys are
proposal for a ride chain
at this point where we're
ecosystem for people to build
network and there's a lot of
through a truly decentralized
is not sort of synced up with the network via
as decentralized as possible
you know what I mean and you guys
you've done excellent work I would love if you
your explorer because I really
enjoyed when you pulled that up on the
call with us the other day it was kind
of beautiful to see how many transactions
are actually happening on
Jackal's not an easy chain to run and I love
it's a bit of a chain to run for sure
it's because a lot of our transactions are
not as much financial transactions
but it's a lot of kind of running the cloud environment
changing permissions uploading new files
creating new storage deals
healing redundancy stuff like that
so we had a ton of transactions
and our blockchain grows really
quickly so hats off to our
validators they're like the best of the best and they've
curated like a really technical awesome community
but to kind of bring it back
kind of in a position to kind of set
the tone and standard of what
from a proposal standpoint
outside of that when you look at
like kind of the progressive decentralization
of blockchains and pivoting from
more of like a centralized structure where it's the core
and the blockchain grows it becomes progressively
more decentralized and kind of turns into
like an empire owned by the people
kind of the beauty, right?
special, number one, there's
this magic spreadsheet, that's never wrong
so that's like all the different use cases you can do with
that is pretty awesome but the other thing
that's pretty awesome is the fact that there's no trust
you don't need to trust a
specific person or a specific entity
and it moves from kind of
having a lot of trust to being
more of a distributed, decentralized
and kind of a more ethical
at the end of the day, empire owned by the people
and that's kind of something that you've said before that really
coined this phrase because now you're using it
I love hearing you say it but
this is something that I said
last week in Texas when I was talking to a room
average age, I think I've quoted it as
65 and I was telling them
and then after about 3 hours
the absolute basics of this technology
and explaining how the applications
could actually improve their life
improve their relationship
with AI, especially in a time where
and they came out of it very excited
and the truth is, the version of AI that I was
talking about is democratized
sort of economic incentive but
the actual people have control
over their exposure to their
which is very difficult in the
of what's going on, everything on the internet is fair use
I was on a call yesterday
listening to BitTensor talk about how
they can just crawl everything
and monetize models on everything
on the internet and I'm just like, my head is spinning
which is really property rights
and that's just so scary to me
and I do look at decentralized file
storage and your solution as being
a step towards creating a more respectful
innovation, so when we talk about
an ecosystem, an empire built by the people
it's really about respecting that
their job well and all of those people
are part of the economic ecosystem
click accept the privacy policy
and you're off and running
your data belongs to everybody else except you
and that's really scary to me
the perfect ledger and all of that
what does this actually mean
and actually this is something that
I think Patrick when I first heard you guys
talking a couple of years ago
when I believe you were building on secret at the time
before you had launched your own chain
discussed this a little bit on a Twitter space right
that we can get to a place where they can opt
then monetize it. I'm curious if
that you've sort of been developing in that direction
at all and sort of where your perspective
is on it now. Yeah well the beauty
of Jocko is that we can't access your
data in this completely self-custodial
the permissions are on the chain
you own your data so it's kind of
like the best of both worlds because
people want cloud for scalability but
that platform where everything is owned by
and like this magic spreadsheet
comparing a blockchain or
a distributed ledger to legacy companies
legacy companies they can't promise
security they have misaligned
goals they can ditch a product at any time
they're completely freewheeling
and over whether they mean to or not
whether that's a security promise or whether that
is we're not going to use your data promise
the reason why we're kind
when we're building blockchains
compared to like traditional
see blockchains as like a threat
to their power kind of seen as a leash
I think that's kind of the reason why
we're in this kind of global cyber
security crisis to begin with
SaaS software everything is run
in the cloud you have to have inherited
hope that their security posture
you kind of run into this thing where they
don't like blockchains because
their kind of freewheeling power
over the specific application
that they built right that's kind of how I
yeah I think that there's you know we
where we talked about sort of blockchain
being more or less trustless
especially when it comes to AI I have some
reservations about how trustless
but you know let's just call it
trustless for a minute you know in the
real world it's all about trust
right it's about we trust our
government and our regulators and the oversight
the corporations and we trust
the corporations because their brand
and their you know their words
trustworthy and eventually
people don't know why they
trust the people that they trust
right we don't know why we
choose one bank over another
social media companies and everybody abuse
this is part of the reason why we're in
we're all trying to find a
for everyone and ultimately
one of the big things that I'm always
minds especially because I'm
constantly sort of reaching out and talking to
policymakers that blockchain
is something that is more than crypto
movement where that can hold
big corporations task and say
that it can't be done that
you can't possibly respect
you know data sovereignty
of the individual user on your
platform it's impossible you'd have to
rebuild your whole system to do it
are fundamental primitives out there that
can really change the game
in five to ten years you could
actually have a system that's
more fair and economics that are more
absolutely and this is why
blockchains deliver on their security
promises right it's governed
by unchangeable code and not
like people and their word
you don't have to take people's word for it
it's governed by unchangeable code
and that's the only way that you can make
security legit and relentless
blockchains don't care about outside
pressure, they don't have misaligned
priorities, they don't have fear, they don't have
unchangeable code and you don't have
to take people out of their word and I think it's super
important to have this technology
it's so special at the end of the day
yeah and I guess the, and Hans
you know you always come on these calls
you eat up all the time so I am going to pass it to you
it's all good, I'm just chilling
I had a really rough night of sleep
and it's just because I'm kind of brain dead today
so it's just like I'm chilling
but I'm excited man, it's just
found out about him way before
at the time I think they were even
just getting ready to go on
back in a day or whatever, but
yeah I've been excited for them ever since
one of the things I pivoted from my own
UST and Luna thing happened
I was like you know what, as much as I love
finance and DeFi and all that
that's like my background, I really need to
tolling and everything else that's being built
just another DeFi protocol
and that's when I shifted my
focal point and started looking into
and when I found out about
Jack I was like yeah this is a no brainer
this is just something that's going to be
adds value to everyone obviously
that's what this whole call is about is how
ride chain, the ecosystem, to anyone that's
going to deploy and build now
so it's just really exciting
these are the things that
looks boring because it's not just like another
it's just like a casino but
yeah it's something that's really sustainable
and I'm really looking forward to it being on there
cases and things of that nature
flashy things, it's human
mention I said a second ago
is that it's really difficult to have
a trustless environment when everybody's
expanded functionalities in web
3, we've seen all kinds of
show our hands how many people are actually
so we've been stuck in this
where there's a lot of people that are
the promise of it is super
exciting but the reason why we don't see
of trust that needs to happen
and I think we're all pretty aware
the probabilistic nature of
it's so hard to trust them with
financial decisions and just say
I'm not going to look at anything you do
and I don't think we're there yet
so one of the big things that we've been
at a ride chain is developing
bringing transparency to BlackBox
somebody comes in and they integrate
okay I trust that it's accurate
there is an on chain proof
that that model has been back
and is performing reliably in real time
JSON file proofs that are
on the blockchain explorer
there's also translated into
through category by category
is it affected by adversarial
all of the different things that you might care about
when you're making super fast
decisions and relying on an AI model
I look at this as being a
the storage of the data as well
decentralized file storage
you'll have a lot of things to say about this
but I think that in reality
a lot of people are still using
what's the deal with that Patrick?
storage layer that deserves
people's data at this point
predominantly used for backups, archiving
putting data to rest for a
and if you look at the last
few bold markets it's extremely
applications that are being built
and if one person decides to
use something that's not truly decentralized
as they should, they want to build the best product
the best application for their use case
the infrastructure wasn't there yet
when you look at deep end startups
even longer to find product market fit
it's just the name of the game
when you're building a multi-dimensional
really complex cloud environment
on blockchain rails it takes time
and they haven't been the flavor
of the months until recently
just purely because of the fact that
they're like deep tech startups
if you're trying to build
it's like Snapchat versus
at the end of the day or a deep
it just takes a lot of time, there's a lot of dimensions
multiple P2P networks, you have to build these
blockchain modules that are custom built for a specific
use case, you need to balance everything, it's your
bandwidth works, you need to build
an application on top, make sure that it's usable
time and these deep end startups
started years ago, the cash started in what
maybe earlier, they were the first blockchain to
2022 and we've just been trying to
stack them for advantages and make a product that's usable
just hasn't been there, it hasn't caught up to
for all these application developers
we're finally at the stage where we have
we're still going to be a little bit slower
because of privacy guarantees
upload a file to Jackal it's
unencrypted so the encryption blows the file
so it'll be a little bit slower but it's
pretty damn close right now
to what we're used to and it's
just like the state of it, it's not anyone's fault
use AWS. Even if you go to
Filecoin or ARWeave, you want to go use
landing page will push you to
web3.storage is an IPFS pinning service
where they use Amazon servers and then they back up
you go to ARWeave and you
want to use ARWeave, they'll push you
bundles transactions together and pushes them
to ARWeave all at once because
last mover's advantage in a weird way
we got to see where everyone kind
of made poor tech stack decisions
all the ways that they kind of
coded themselves into a corner
and we have the ability for us to use the
technology that we have today to actually build
the service that was promised back in
it's kind of like why did
Google Chrome beat Internet Explorer
Instagram beat Flickr, why did Facebook
beat MySpace, it's kind of sometimes
I think that it's especially
for anybody that's used to the neck breaking
when you are planning to be
around forever it's best to take your
rather than worrying about
the token, the hype first
it's important to spend the time
ensure that your solutions are
or as close as you can get
before attempting to sort of
go where you are today which is
to say okay we're ready to start building
outposts in different chains we're ready to start
serving that developer community
abroad not only just people that want
use products that are available on Jackal today
but you know porting those services
you really have to be very confident in that
because all of a sudden other
ecosystems are going to be relying on you
sort of vote of confidence that
or that you feel that you're ready today to begin
to take all of that on your
the Orion chain ecosystem
everything in business is a trade-off
every decision is a trade-off right
and if you look at kind of what our core values
right it's we launched our token
in the middle of the bear market
our investors didn't like it
a lot of people didn't like it but
we chose to do that because
ability for the core development team to optimize
this multi-dimensional protocol and staffing
for advantages against both blockchain based
storage networks and legacy systems
just because of the state of the market
and we probably would be a lot
further along token price if that's
the only core value but what
our wedge is in the market
is we work hard and we're
original and by doing that we
spawned a slew of unfair advantages and
issues over the last two years
it's better for us what we care about
is delivering the best product possible
if token price is what people care about
then that's going to come with it as well
so it's at the end of the day
it's just making sure that
we're authentic, we're original
and we just work our ass off
and then we're just here to deliver value to other
blockchains and that's all we care about at the end of the day
Hey guys, sorry to cut in, I've unfortunately
got another call that I'm a couple minutes
tardy to, so I've got to jump
but Patrick will stay, I really appreciate
the time, Tyree, Hoss, everybody
You used tardy in a sentence, a smile
Yeah, so I guess we are coming up on
I want to just talk about next steps
real quick, Patrick, obviously
I'm super hyped that you guys have
you know, chosen a ride chain
fully realized outposts that
you're going to bring into
Cosmos ecosystem or anywhere, right?
I think that it's a huge value add
What do we expect in terms of
forward, obviously we're in
a discussion period right now, so
anybody that's on this call that has a question
that wants to raise a concern
highly recommend that you
go and comment on that post
Hoss, if you can pin it up
top there, that'd be really great
But Patrick, what can we expect
from the Jackal team over the next
Well, first things first is
a discussion period, have some time to
take some questions, we already see
some edits that we're going to do with besting
those lines, so that's great
for us to give that community feedback and
make changes relative to it
As soon as the proposal's passed
we're just going to come out guns and blades
and just start building, that's
what we do, that's what we're good at, and we're just here to
deliver on our promises, so
as soon as it's passed, we're going to start
the deployment and we're going to
nail them around milestones as they come
question we can expect to start using
what are we thinking, June, July?
from the date that it passes
under-promise and then over-deliver
so three months at the latest
is by the time that you guys will be able to start using
if it's delivered earlier? No,
but at the end of the day, this is blockchain development
so we need to kind of respect our timelines
at the end of the day, so we're looking at
three months at the latest to start
being able to use Jackal on a ride chain
Awesome, that's great, and I see
yeah, I was just about to pin it
because you had to put it in the comment
Alright, great, so we're going to
get this pinned up top here
I'm hyped and thank you for taking
time on this Friday morning
I just wanted to sort of talk about
the commitment from the ride chain side
I think it's very positive
all the feedback that I've heard from
our community so far has been
positive about this potential integration
the anticipation of this being sort of
accepted, you know, where you have a
myself, from Hoss and from
the ride chain foundation is to make sure
that we are working right away
as everybody here probably knows
that's familiar with the ride chain, we have
in DAO treasury funds that are available
to be used to incentivize development
on the network today, a big
part of that is going to be carving out funds
support people that are using
all of the tools available to them, whether that
is Jackal Protocol, Skip API
Centropy, whoever it is, right, like anybody
that we sort of partner with and bring into
want to make sure that our builders are not
just sitting around with Cosmoism IDE
protocols, we want them to build something that is
you know, above and beyond
as we're building up sort of the theme for
this ecosystem, the DAO treasury
the muscle to be able to do that
even at the current sort of
that's going to be a big piece of it, making sure
so for anybody that's in the
AI chain DAO right now, meaning that you are
or validating on the network, I highly
recommend again that you engage with
any discussion that is up over on
Commonwealth, I've slimmed down
the channels on Commonwealth to be
as lean as possible, so people have to
dig through, go over to Commonwealth
in that link that's pinned here, click
on proposal discussions, check
out everybody that's got a proposal that's
live right now, you can see some things
that have been passed in the
history and then, you know, think about
what you want to see in the future
meaning, you know, as we're
really looking to formalize
different grant programming
quest for protocol campaign that's
just about, you know, trying to call
people to build certain applications
on a ride chain or, you know, I
think that we're missing a certain
AI service, I want to propose
to let hackers build towards
that specific goal, I want
everybody to sort of work together as a
village as much as possible
to take us to that next level
you alluded earlier Patrick
doing all the work on a lot
the time to scale up, to grow
all agree that, you know, if
we want to be decentralized we have to act like it
you have to sort of take that responsibility
a part of the network, you are
it will be enriching for you
personally, professionally
you're going to get a lot from it, not
only sort of pumponomics on your
bags, right, you're actually going
to learn a lot about going
through that process of proposing
delivering, communicating
building connections with other people in the
know, like it could lead to a full blown
role for you somewhere, you could
that makes you a founder in the near future
at all, the DAO is here to support
when Jackal Protocol passes and it's
available, everybody is using
their file storage solution over
going to close it out, I'm going to pass it over to you
Patrick, how should everybody
sort of keep up with development
Yeah, if you want to nerd out,
all of our GitHubs are up in source, including
if you're a nerd like us,
feel free to check it out, outside of that
if you want to get a hold of me
and my guides, jackallabs.io
follow the Twitter account, that's kind of the best way
understanding what's going on with the Jackal Protocol
at all times. At the end of the day, we're just
happy to put a Swiss Army knife in the toolbox
of a ride chain, so builders can build really cool
applications at the end of the day, and thanks for
having me. As always, Tyree, thanks for having
Yeah, that's awesome. I'll pass it to you for the last word.
A huge thank you to everybody
Jackal funded projects is now going to be going
platform, so keep an eye out, follow
yoyo, and awesome passing
it to you for the closing.
Yeah, it was an awesome space,
you know, got some beneficial
big fan of Jackal always have been,
so yeah, totally nerd out if you want to nerd
out, but I always like to thank everyone
that tuned in, and yeah, get involved,
totally get involved. One way or another, you can
get involved in the space, so everyone have a great
rest of your Friday and good weekend. Take care,