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NFT Conversations π§ @HashBastardsNFT
Recorded: June 28, 2023 Duration: 2:10:27Space Recording
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all right so we're uh we're opening the space a bit early just to let some play in music
cash is going to be here in about 10 minutes so sit tight hang out share the space if you want to be entered to win the nft giveaway today's conversation is going to be unlike any other i've ever hosted it's going to be different and that's why we're doing it different uh so stick with it i'm going to play a few more songs i'll be back but uh if you want to win that nft or if you want to hear a wild conversation i expect to break out
to break out uh stick with us uh stick with us this is a recorded space they will hear us but we're going to play some music and hang until hash joins us uh you know late arrivals i want to make sure people get here and uh so we're just going to have some fun with some music see everyone soon
we'll see you next time
we'll see you next time
we'll see you next time
we'll see you next time
I'm scared of what it feels when I
But if I hold my world for just one day
I'll let it gather all my feelings that remain
But if I hold my world for just one day
I'll let it go
I'm scared of what it feels when I hold my world for just one day
I'll let it gather all my feelings that remain
But if I hold my world for just one day
I'll let it gather all my feelings that I hold my world for just one day
You were more than just the first one
Cause I thought you'd be the last
But let's hold your love and hurt right
You could do better than that
But if I hold my world for just one day
I'll let it gather all my feelings that remain
For you
Hotter than the ocean far away
Cause I'm trying to let you go
But if I hold my world for just one day
I'll let it gather all my feelings that remain
But if I hold my world for just one day
I'll let it gather all my feelings that remain
But if I hold my world for just one day
I'll let it gather all my feelings that remain
But if I hold my world for just one day
But if I hold my world for just one day
I'll let it gather all my feelings that remain
But if I hold my world for just one day
Cause I'm trying to let it go
I'll let it gather all my feelings that remain
But if I hold my world for just one day
Nathan, what's up?
Listen
Yo, yo, yo, yo, Rip Pat
What's going on, buddy?
Nathan's in the house
I'm good, man
Listen, we are just a few minutes away
From one of the best conversations I've ever had
I'm most excited for this one
This evening
It depends where you are
Maybe it's not evening
But we're going to do it live here
In just another five to ten minutes
What I've done for this conversation
Is specifically open the space early
I want to make sure people are here
If you want to win the NFT
That hash and I have agreed to give away
During this conversation
Retweet the space
It's pinned above
Hit that comment section
If you have questions
If there's a certain influencer
If there's a certain name in the space
You want to hear about
Talk about
We're going to do it all soon
Until then
We're going to play some music
But Nathan, I wanted to say what's up
Because I see the request
We're going to have an open conversation this evening
It's going to be lit
But Nathan, what's up, man?
You good?
Yeah, chilling, man
Chilling
I didn't know that you and Hash Bastards
Were homies
Him and I
We got to know each other
Last couple months
And yeah
Happy for his success in the space
Definitely got some traction
You know, in the last couple months
And I think we've had so much
I don't know, drama
That Hash is like kind of one of the first
To break the news
So cool to see you working with him
Yeah, you know, listen
I've known Hash for a while here
I've seen the detective work
The sharing
I am someone that considers myself a friend
To anyone in the space
That is, you know, well-intentioned
And here doing what's right
And so I've been in conversations with Hash
For a long time
It's finally worked out
We're going to do this today
And tonight
And Hash has specifically talked to me
About a few things we're going to touch on
But I don't even know what's going to happen
Because I'm just going to free flow here
This is going to be way different
Than other conversations I've ever hosted
But this one I'm excited for specifically
Because we're going to dive into
Any of the names
Any of the situations
Any of the tweets we may see
If you have something specific
You want to know about
Put that in the chat
Or raise it
While we're here
I'm going to play another song
Then I got another song
Which is actually a brand new hit
That I've been playing on repeat
For the last two hours
But I'm not going to tease it
Or give it away just yet
I'm going to play one of my jams
We're going to hang out
Then Hash is going to join us
Any minute here
And we'll start going
I'm super excited
But if you guys want to join the conversation
It's going to be open as well
So yeah
Stick around
Share it with everyone
And make sure that people can hear
From Hash himself
And thanks for
Thanks for hanging out with us
This is why I do this
For the enjoyment of
Trying to do things good
Oh yeah
This is what we all need
A little love
We're going to play this song
Hash is going to join us
Then we're going to play
My new favorite hit
Right after this
And we're going to go
Here we go
When you're on
Can't just reach an hour
No one will be there
My happy weather
The storm
Us together
Nothing's ever
The only call
No one will be there
You will never be alone
All I need is your love tonight All I need is your love tonight
All I need is your love tonight
All I need is your love tonight
All I need is your love tonight
When you're feeling like there's no good hope
Please do actually know how to go
Just together, nothing's ever done
When you're feeling like there's no good hope
All I need is your love tonight
All I need is your love tonight
All I need is your love tonight
All I need is your love tonight
All I need is your love tonight
All I need is your love tonight
All I need is your love tonight
All I need is your love tonight
All I need is your love tonight
All I need is your love tonight
All I need is your love tonight
All I need is your love tonight
All I need is your love tonight
All I need is your love tonight
All I need is your love tonight
All I need is your love tonight
okay okay okay I know you're thinking this is when we start but it's not not yet not yet
I started this space a little early because I know everyone likes to be fashionably late I do myself as well I appreciate all of you and everyone here let's just get it started by saying this share the space people need to hear the conversation this is an important one it's going to be unlike any I've ever hosted and everyone is welcome to join in so couple things all you got to do is if you have a question put it in the chat box on the bottom right I promise we'll answer it if you have a certain name you want to talk about
you have questions you have comments concerns thoughts this is the point want to hear from you want to hear from everyone during this conversation we'll start it with some of the things I want to talk about but we want to hear from you as well because you're joined us make sure that you can share the specific space
and the tweet above that's pinned to the top so you can be entered to win an awesome one of one art from hash himself later during the conversation and until we start which is going to be right after this new song which I thought is so fitting for this conversation specifically I've been playing it on repeat for the last I don't know 30 minutes
but we're going to start with this after we wrap this one and maybe you'll already know it but I find it to be a jam so we're going to play this and after that we're going to play conversations right now with me and hash bastards thanks for being with us share the space share your comments retweet it let's get more people to hear from hash himself the work has been phenomenal and we're going to talk about it right after this new banger
what did you expect
what did you expect
what did you expect
It's the same Azuki.
And shout out to 15 Years of a Song a Day.
I think he did it because he knew I needed a song for this conversation.
And there couldn't have been a better conversation starter from a song standpoint than that one right there.
Welcome, Hashbastards.
Thank you for joining us.
This is awesome.
Let's fucking go.
My dude.
What's going on, Michael?
I mean, everything and nothing at the same time.
I'll tell you what.
I've been looking forward to doing this for months.
And if no one knows, I mean, we've been in talks to do this for more than just a month.
For more than months.
I mean, for a while.
So I am stoked we're finally doing it.
Dude, me too.
Conning fucking finally worked out.
You know, we're here.
Lots going on to talk about, I think.
It's been a busy week, dude.
News-wise, you know what I'm saying?
Yeah, geez.
My God.
It's hard to keep up with it, right?
But I mean, this is one of the things about the space over the last, I don't know, year
plus, which is, there's just so much going on.
It's hard to keep up with.
And it's hard to keep up with who's good, who's bad, what's going on, and why should we
be paying attention?
But you know what?
You've done an incredible job of keeping us informed, doing a lot of the hard things
that many say, oh, why are you sharing this?
Why are you fighting this?
Right?
But you've been one that has been clearly sharing important information.
And for that, I have appreciated that fact.
Because it's not easy, right?
You know, consistently trying to stand up for what's right and at least what can be good
for the space as a whole has been challenging.
So I appreciate that from your perspective.
And I've learned a ton just, you know, watching what you put out, the content, and being able
to digest it.
So I have a lot of questions around that.
But I want to just start by saying thanks for being here, really.
Oh, dude.
Fuck yeah.
Thank you for all the kind words.
Thank you for having me.
I mean, yeah, dude.
I think, you know, one of my biggest things is self-regulation.
And if we self-regulate enough, then the government wouldn't have to do it for us.
But we're kind of long gone on that ship, I guess.
That ship has sailed.
That was a pipe dream in 2021 when this shit started popping off.
But I think it's still important to keep tabs on everything that goes on.
And like you said, keep kind of a history of the blockchain and, you know, the NFT culture
as it happens.
Because it is really hard to keep up with.
And so much happens on a day-to-day basis.
And I think keeping up with the news in that way is fun for me.
And, you know, I get to make fun of all these people that really, for the most part, suck.
So that's why, you know, I have fun with it.
But yeah, really glad to be here.
I can talk, you know, the news and shit all day.
Yeah, so let's do this.
Because honestly, I'm not going to lie.
Like, I'm somewhat twisted here on how to even do this.
Because there's so much that we want to get to.
So let's do this.
Everyone for, you know, that's here.
I want to make sure that everyone that is here can ask any question they want.
Any question you want.
Good, bad, and different.
Put it in the chat.
We'll answer it.
Honestly.
That's the point.
Like, everything is fair game.
But I want to, you know, as we do that, set the stage.
I want to know, you know, before we maybe dive into some of the, you know, individuals, maybe some of the projects or anything specifically.
I want to know about Hashbassers.
I want to know about you a little bit.
Like, you know, when did you, you know, when did you dive into the blockchain?
And what is it that really gets you going?
Obviously, self-regulation is important.
But, I mean, when did this really take off?
And just set the, like, the scene for us so we can go on a little bit of a journey here to a common day like today, where it started.
Yeah, totally.
In my real life, I'm a, I guess I'll start there.
I'm a writer.
And, you know, at a branding and marketing agency, we mostly work in higher education.
So, I'm writing for colleges and universities, things like that.
You know, brands, headlines, digital ads, websites, things like that, big brand platforms.
And I went to school and majored in art.
And that's where I learned Photoshop and InDesign and Illustrator.
I actually dropped out of, dropped out of art school, though.
I made it like a year and a half.
After the first year of graphic design, they actually expect you to start designing things.
And I wasn't a great graphic designer.
So, it was, it was a crapshoot from the beginning.
But I just, yeah, I worked at my, my writing job from an intern all the way up to, yeah, I'm a senior or art director now on the writing side.
But, but I started getting into NFTs in the blockchain, February 2021, you know, like when Beeple sale popped off and Gary Vee was talking about NFTs.
And I had been kind of interested in that technology beforehand, but I hadn't really dove in on like actually using it until about February.
And I didn't start, I didn't drop my first NFT or make the Twitter for Hashbusters or anything until end of March, maybe March 20th.
And that's when I started, you know, dropping NFTs.
And it was kind of funny because I thought it was the perfect amalgamation of everything that I have kind of acquired over time.
And I could use this, use this platform, this technology in a way to build my platform, which is something that I've always wanted to do.
Um, I don't really, I'm not, I've never been a big social media guy.
I don't really post on Instagram, but the idea of building a brand is, is cool to me.
And I wanted to do that in a way that was sustainable for me.
And I knew that writing needed to be a big part of it.
So, and I knew that humor needed to be a big part of it too.
Uh, comedy and, and I get through the day laughing.
So that's, you know, it's a big part of my life and my personality.
So I needed that to come through too.
So, and this idea of hash bastards and, uh, capturing, it started as really capturing sort of those inside jokes having to do with crypto.
Um, and I, I was always into trading stocks and, and things like that.
So I had that financial sort of background built in as well.
Trading, I knew wall street bets.
I was, I was all over that kind of shit from like 2018.
I was trading crypto as early as like, you know, 2017, 2018.
So NFTs was kind of that perfect, you know, gathering of all of those things.
So then I could start making jokes about crypto and Elon Musk and stocks.
And then it sort of evolved into, as NFTs evolved, right?
Commenting more on NFT culture too.
Uh, so that's kind of the, where it started with hash bastards, how it, you know, what my idea was from the beginning.
And I'm sure you can see how it's evolved now, but yeah, that was the, that was the beginning.
Yeah.
Uh, well, I mean, the art is something I wanted to dive into.
It's interesting to hear the background because I know one of the first things we wanted to touch on was the kind of current state and, uh, you know, kind of future state of one-on-one art and independent NFTs, which also meant, you know, is the perfect segue to think about the daily bastard, which you've been doing now for, uh, over a year plus, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
So the first collection, you know, the OG hash bastards, there's 750, uh, pieces in that collection.
Well, maybe a little bit more, I think it's under 800.
And, and that was the first collection that started in, in March, 2021.
It ended, uh, uh, about a year and a month later, like February, March, uh, 2022.
And there, it was, it was fun, you know, there was five generations and it was, it was kind of gamified in each, uh,
generation.
Each one had a different theme.
I was able to, you know, start covering a lot of different things as the NFT, uh, the NFT world just grew and things started happening like board API club.
And then all the derivatives after board API club, uh, and then a Zuki coming around doodles.
Uh, you see all of these sort of arrows and NFTs looking back on all of it.
Um, and, and that was one of my favorite parts about hash bastards was keeping up with those daily current events and making sure that, cause I was doing that anyway, so that I could know the best ways to run and not run my project.
Uh, just from seeing how things are succeeding and failing, uh, one of the, the biggest successes I had seen in one of one art was ghosts back in the day.
One of my favorite stories ever is I, I bought number 13 for 0.005.
And I sold it for 0.3.
That was like the biggest flip I'd ever had.
I was like, I didn't even know NFTs could make you money.
And I just flipped from five, $10 to, it was almost a thousand at the time.
But of course, you know, ghosts transcended one of ones, uh, and independent artists and became this huge name and, and pumped all the way to oblivion.
And, you know, ghosts is one of the biggest artists now.
Um, but looking at the way that he ran his project, I was like, wow, like this is what's, what's, what's possible.
And the game of vacations he was doing and how he was using discord.
I just really liked seeing how people were innovating in the one of one space.
And it's funny because it kind of was in direct conflict was with what was happening in, in the generative NFT space, which is, you know, 10 K projects and sometimes a lot more, but it was all copy and paste of originally crypto punks.
Um, but then boarded yacht club came in and it was a new project and it was a new team and they sold out and they started fucking exploding and then everybody started copying, uh, roadmaps were all the same back in 2021.
Everybody did the exact same thing.
It was the main collection.
And then it was the, the companion collection, you know, like board apes to mutant apes.
Fucking, uh, uh, what were those fucking cats that were out?
At the time, same thing, gutter cats.
And they had their derivative collection.
Everybody started following the same formula.
And what was awesome in the one of one NFT space, that independent creator, somebody who didn't really know or realize, or like didn't come into the space for the money aspect.
Because there was none to be made when I joined, you know, it was, it was me and 20 other people.
And, and, and, and three people that were actually buying NFTs, you know, I think at the time, like pixel nights was around at that time.
And we talked about how OpenSea had 2,500 active wallets at the beginning of, of March, 2021, you know?
So I've seen it be go from nothing where it was just people sharing their art and commenting and laughing and having a good time.
Trying to just, you know, trying to build their own image and their own personality and brand out here with their project.
And then it turned into, it ballooned, right?
It was one of these, the biggest moons of all time.
And to see, uh, the trends that started in 2021, the way that they've played out now is sort of to a T what all of us who were keeping track of this shit kind of predicted happening.
Um, you know, a lot of dilution, a lot of pump and dumps, a lot of wash trading.
One of the biggest turning points in NFTs in my mind is the launch of blur that was a group of some of the biggest pump and dumpers the space has ever seen getting together and figuring out, okay, how do we make a pump and dump marketplace where everything is about pumping and dumping, where it's geared towards traders and flippers and not collectors or people who appreciate art, but people who started turning NFTs into shit coins like beanie.
Uh, so there was these two divergent paths happening in NFTs in my mind.
And it was this really organic and innovative, uh, and fun one of one independent artist community that was growing.
Um, and, and it was, it was, it was a really fun thing to be a part of this.
I mean, of course in the bull market, it was fun, but building up to it and, and, and being in those waves where nothing's really happening, but you're still there every single day.
And you're with people that are there every single day.
Uh, and you start building those relationships of like, damn, you know, these people are going to be here every day.
It's not just some undocked founder of a project that's rugged and you're actually building relationships.
Um, and then this other path where everything seemed like a derivative of a derivative of a derivative.
Everything was a cash grab.
Everything was making as much money as we can as quickly as we can.
It was really geared towards, you know, the D gens, right.
And flipping art or flipping projects quick and getting out as if it was, as if you were trading penny stocks.
Um, so I think that idealistic view that I had of NFTs at the beginning where I was like,
Oh, this is such a great opportunity and platform to create.
And, you know, we saw that sort of come to life.
Uh, I always bring up, um, Thai July, as we called it as all the artists in, in, uh, Thailand in July, 2021,
they just started popping off in NFTs.
They were all one of one independent creators had never had a way, uh, to sell their art before.
And they're all the way in Thailand selling art to people in the United States.
And they're coming on Twitter spaces to talk about their art and learning English just by tweeting because they never had to speak English before.
So it was like, you're seeing these people build up from literally nothing from zero to whatever, to sales, to success.
And seeing those journeys is fucking awesome, you know?
And then seeing sort of the, the rise and the fall of NFTs as a whole, because of what's happened on the generative 10 K side, like that keeps that, it makes me so pissed, you know, because it was also preventable.
Um, and I still think it's saveable and salvageable.
Uh, it's just flushing out the assholes, you know?
And I think that's kind of where I am now is flushing out the assholes and, and raising up people.
A lot of people in here, artists, you know, um, that are doing the right thing and being consistent.
And I think, you know, push them out, replace them with people that are genuine and the space gets a lot better, you know?
Yeah. Well, I mean, uh, flushing out the assholes, as you just said, is, uh, gross actually.
Phrasing's terrible.
It's, it's an unfortunate, you know, honesty or truth that we're now dealing with as far as where we are in, in 2023 compared to maybe where we were 2020, 2021, uh, and as far back.
I mean, it's become a completely different place over time.
There's, uh, there's already questions coming in a reminder as you're here right now.
If you want to ask questions, uh, two ways, you can request, we're going to bring everyone up.
Anyone that wants to be a part of the stage, uh, and join the conversation is more than welcome.
So please, uh, you know, jump up here, uh, if you want, but let's just go right to, to a question from ADHD, uh, which is pretty good.
Um, what, uh, inspired you to become a professional writer?
See, here's the thing is I know all these fuckers and I know they're just fun.
I know, I know.
But here's, here's the thing, Ash.
I know, you know, them all.
And I know.
I know.
All right.
Yeah.
But, but let's make sure that we, we do this also for the people that you don't know, or for, let's say someone that listens to this, that has no idea.
Cause there are some people, for example, I've just, uh, accepted, uh, my, uh, friend I-95 bully up here and, you know, not very familiar with NFT.
So there are people that actually don't know anything about this.
And that's why this is also awesome to have, but let's, so let's just go back to that question.
Then we'll go to I-95.
Totally.
No, yeah.
I'm just, I'm just messing around.
These, these assholes, they, uh, I'll call them bastards.
You know, they're, they're the bastards or the, some of my, uh, holders are in here.
My friends are in here.
Um, artists are in here.
So it's awesome.
But yeah.
Okay.
Professional writer ADHD.
I got you.
Um, I was not very good.
Well, I just didn't like anything else in school.
I really liked English.
I really liked writing, uh, mystery, short stories, stuff like that.
And when I was figuring out, I was like, what am I going to do?
I was like, well, I could write.
So I just tried it out and it worked out.
So now I'm all right.
There you go.
All right.
But I, I enjoy writing though.
So that, that, you know, that's, that's the, that's the, yeah, it is the good point.
All right.
Let's go to I-95.
Uh, you're up here.
What's up, boss?
Nice to meet you, bro.
What's going on, man?
So I just kind of had, um, a question.
I'm not too familiar.
I'm with NFTs, but hearing you guys talk about it, it sounds like you guys are talking about
finance when you guys use terms like pump and dump.
So I was just curious, is there a thing like, we're talking about penny stocks or are there
like pink sheets, NFTs or OTC, um, NFTs at all?
Like, does that exist?
It's, it's funny that you mentioned that actually.
So I would say when NFT started the, there was not that much of a potential to make money
and the space is so unregulated.
So right now there are court cases happening where, uh, people are trying to decide if
an NFT is a security or not.
Should it be, uh, registered with the SEC or not?
Um, and what you're seeing is a lot of the times the answer is no, but legally at least
for now.
Uh, but the amount of money being made by these large scale NFT projects is a lot of money.
And the reason they're able to make a lot of money is because they are funded well by
a lot of venture capitalists who are pumping money into the space with hopes of making more
money and by the space, I mean, NFTs.
So as an example, one of the largest projects right now, Azuki, they launched in 20, either
2021, 2022, I'm not sure of the exact date, but, uh, last up to last week, they had a floor
of 15 Ethereum.
So right now the price of Ethereum is about $1,900.
So the cheapest Azuki NFT was 15 Ethereum times 19, so what?
$30,000.
Yeah, just about $30,000 for the cheapest Azuki.
Yesterday, Azuki launched another project and netted $38 million for themselves.
So the money is real.
Uh, the way that you access that money is by being in touch with, or already in touch
with people who have money or having money yourself.
You kind of have to game the system in a way, but there is a financial incentive, uh, to
buying and selling NFTs.
Yes.
Can I answer the question?
Yeah.
So you know how, like with Robinhood, you can buy, um, fractional shares.
Is there a marketplace where you can buy like shares of an NFT?
Like, does that exist?
Not yet.
So it's all super new.
Uh, the main marketplaces are OpenSea, Blur is a big one.
Um, Magically is another big one.
Magic Eden is another one, but there's not really like a TD Ameritrade or a Robinhood.
Right.
Because this, it's so new still.
And it's funny because like Bitcoin NFTs are now popping off.
So we are all on the Ethereum blockchain.
Um, Bitcoin is the largest, uh, cryptocurrency in the world, right?
The oldest, everything's sort of built off Bitcoin.
Now people are starting to create NFTs on Bitcoin.
The first marketplaces have, have been created, but when they first started back, it was three,
four months ago, five months ago that Bitcoin, uh, NFTs became a thing.
It was strictly over the counter.
You had to go into a spreadsheet and buy it from somebody and just hope and pray that they
sent it to you.
Uh, so that kind of tells you just how wild west it is out here, uh, especially with the
no regulation.
So there, it's a mixture of platforms trying to, uh, quickly grow and adhere to the user
base that they have now.
Uh, not necessarily anymore because NFT volume has died off so much.
Um, so is that, um, is that a market correction or is that just, is that here to stay?
Well, I guess that's kind of the big argument, uh, you know, is a lot of people say NFTs were
a bubble.
And I think that those people are talking in a financial sense, which is exactly why artists
and independent creators aren't necessarily, uh, strictly focused on the monetary aspect because
it's more about brand building and long-term, uh, success, which is a lot different than
trying to cash out in a day, you know?
Um, and, uh, what was the original question you asked my bad, the last one?
No, I was asking it because the current market, like, is that here?
Oh yeah.
Yeah.
So I think the reason that we don't think that I think NFTs in the prices of certain
NFTs, like board API club, biggest NFT floor price was once at 150 Ethereum that will never
come back.
So I, I, I think the monetary bubble burst and that'll never come back.
But the technological bubble, like it's not a bubble, right?
The technology is real.
The applications are real.
But the people, let me add in that, that the people are using the technology, uh, maybe
are not real or per se using it to, to innovate.
They're just using it to, to make money.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
So is the, the art, so is it more about the technology or is it more about the art?
It's both.
So a lot of the, one of the biggest things in NFTs right now is in one of the biggest
applications I see in NFTs is gaming.
So one of the digital assets is what I should say.
So one of the easiest examples I was given at the very beginning, um, for myself to understand
the concept of buying a digital asset, because in your head, you're thinking, why would anybody
buy a digital asset?
I can't see it.
I can't touch it, or I can see it, but I can't touch it.
I don't have it.
It's not a physical thing.
Uh, but then you think about things like Fortnite skins and people that will pay real
money to purchase a Fortnite skin.
That's rare or something.
And they, then they own that skin.
And basically what the blockchain does is it gives you a platform and this technology to
not only own this token and the image associated with this token, but then give you verifiable
proof that you owned this token and it's non-fungible.
So it cannot be recreated.
It's the one and only token of its existence.
And that's what I find fascinating about NFTs is individual ownership and the applications
presented with that through something like art.
It's not just art.
It'll be used for ticketing technology.
Um, it'll be used on Amazon marketplace.
When you purchase, uh, something on Amazon, you'll, you'll get either a proof of purchase,
um, you know, receipt on the blockchain or a digital asset on the blockchain.
I told Michael, I wanted to talk to him about, um, his on-chain poker that he has, um, which
is like, you know, verifiable recorded data on the blockchain about the poker that you're
playing, which is insane.
So the, the art, it can be so many different things.
That's the thing.
It's like, it's like innovating art, right.
Or applying art to innovative practices, uh, either way, you know, and I think that's,
what's so cool about it to me.
And I think a lot of people are out here for the same reason.
Uh, AI has gotten to be huge and AI art in the way that it's produced has gotten so great.
Um, and, and artists are using that technology paired with this technology.
It's very cool.
So yeah, Michael, my bad.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, please.
I mean, this is, uh, I think the best conversations are letting the, uh, the guests speak specifically.
And, and of course, uh, you know, we have some questions here right off the top, which
I appreciate.
So I appreciate having an I-95 up here.
I mean, for anyone joining right now or, uh, not familiar, normally conversations is distinctly
one-on-one, uh, for one hour, uh, and, and a history, uh, of the individual.
I mean, we want to hear the history, which we've gotten a little bit, but, you know,
hash bastards is a unique, uh, guest and one that I'm, uh, so thrilled to have because
you have been, uh, somewhat of the detective or one of the, you know, people that are calling
out the wrongs, uh, oftentimes and keeping it right here in the space or doing your best.
Uh, so I appreciate the breakdown sort of of the, of the blockchain and, and, uh, some
of the, you know, early on, uh, you know, intricacies on what blockchain technology is.
It's a larger conversation, uh, for sure.
But I mean, you know, I'll just add on, you know, when I think about the blockchain and
what excited me about blockchain and crypto and, and something I've been, you know, focused
on since, I don't know, the mid 2015 era, really, uh, when Coinbase was just for, uh, tokens
that you could buy Litecoin, Bitcoin, uh, you know, Bitcoin cash and Ethereum, uh, or
maybe it was Ethereum classic.
I can't even remember at this point, but, you know, it's just the idea that we could
have a little bit more control over our futures.
Uh, and so kind of eliminating a lot of the middle, uh, middle men and, uh, you know,
intermediaries that take a lot of the, the, the, the revenue or the money, or they take
stuff that's rightfully ours.
Uh, and so that's what really excited me at the start.
And of course the blockchain has continued to grow and evolve over time.
And now, you know, as you mentioned, Ash, that, uh, you know, we're on, uh, you know,
full-time at, at ZK Hold'em working on, uh, on-chain, uh, poker and Hold'em fully on-chain,
uh, using the zero knowledge proof technology, which is even more futuristic and sort of starting
to get some, some play and some understanding.
But with that being said, um, you know, let's continue some of these questions and thanks
I-95, uh, for being here and asking some questions, uh, that were very pertinent to
the conversation.
Let's, uh, let's go to this other question.
Meanwhile, as I, as I prep this question, that's from, uh, the audience, I, I, uh, still
have a ton of my own and we're going to start to dial in on some names, uh, and some, some
more people.
But if you do want to join us up here, you can, uh, with that being said, you mentioned
ZK Hold'em and I don't want this to be at all about ZK Hold'em.
It's not, uh, but if you're interested in learning more about ZK Hold'em, please jump
into our discord.
Uh, you can see at the top, I've pinned, if you're interested in poker in general, want
to be an advocate.
We, uh, we've had over 500 plus applications gone through all of them.
We've, uh, got a number of awesome people that are advocating for, uh, ZK Hold'em.
And what is exciting to me is just simply using the blockchain technology in a positive manner
to do something unique and innovative and try to move the space forward.
So, uh, we can, you know, talk even more about that.
We'd be happy to host, uh, the bastards down the road in a, in a special game and a, in
a conversation and tournaments, all sorts of stuff that's for another day.
But with that being said, we are giving away an awesome bastards, uh, this evening from
hash.
And all you got to do is look above and retweet the pin tweet above that.
Uh, so more people can come here, the conversation, you can also put your questions in the chat box,
but let's go to the chat right now where there's a question, uh, from roles.
Appreciate the question, uh, asking about the different chains out there, what's stopping
someone from releasing the same NFT over multiple chains?
And, uh, how would you settle, reconciliate between chains?
Oh, that's a great fucking question.
Uh, because it's sort of playing out right now in court, uh, with people with board, a
leap yacht club and, um, rider rips who basically took board apes, um, art, uh, but he, he, it
was on the same chain.
Um, but there is nothing stopping anybody from taking art and posting it somewhere else.
What is, what happens after though is, is different, right?
Because you can prove where the original art came from by dates and by sources on the blockchain.
Um, that's a lot of what I, when Michael started saying, you know, looking into things or, uh,
looking at blockchain data, that's sort of what the detective quote unquote is, is looking
for, it is money moving around in a weird way from one, uh, you know, crypto wallet to
another, uh, what collection is older than the other so that you know, which one is the
original.
All of that data is available on the blockchain.
So it is very easy to, you know, copy and scam.
And one of the biggest memes and NFTs is right click save, you know, and people, you see it
every day on Twitter.
We have this, uh, uh, conversation every day with normal people who have no idea what NFTs
are.
And they're thinking, why does it matter that you own that image?
I can just screenshot it and, Oh, I have your image now.
And it's like, well, you, you have a copy of my image, but I have the verifiable proof
that this is the original image from the original artists.
Um, and it is verifiable that I purchased it and that I own it.
Um, so, and again, what Michael was talking about of like, like independence and self-ownership
and self-custody and being able to verify those things yourself.
That's, what's very cool to me about the blockchain and the people say like nothing is hidden on
the blockchain.
And it's true because everything, every single fucking thing is recorded.
So you can go back and you can check everything.
It's like the way back machine times a million.
And it's, it, you can't, it's, it's really hard to hide on the blockchain.
So you can, you can scam and you can cheat and you can steal, but you will get found
out.
And I think that's what we're seeing right now is a lack of consequence to the stealing
and the theft, uh, in the copying.
But as soon as those consequences start hitting, uh, which they already have, there already have
been people charged with either rug pulling quote unquote, which is putting a project out,
taking the money and then disappearing, um, or actual, you know, copyright, uh, laws.
There was a, there was a shit coin actually just a couple of weeks ago called grumpy cat
coin, who was using the art of the grumpy cat meme without the owner's knowledge.
The coin was pumping.
It was making money, um, had no affiliation with the real grumpy cat.
And then grumpy cat, the, the owner of the meme filed a cease and desist and the coin
had to stop.
So that's sort of what you see is there are absolutely crimes, but then there are starting
to be consequences.
And once there are enough consequences, there will be less crime.
I have 110%.
All right.
So we got, we got some hands here.
I brought David up.
Uh, we'll go through, through some questions here, uh, and then I'll have to start dialing
in on some of my questions, but I'm, I'm happy to, as I said, make this open.
So David, uh, what's going on?
Pleasure to meet you.
Um, what's up?
You've answered.
Um, yeah.
Hash, how you doing, man?
Fucking, uh, doing good, man.
Yeah.
No, no.
You brought up a writer rips, poly, um, the, the, the court case, all that.
Um, can, can I really speak freely?
Oh, I used to run a public company.
I've hired, uh, McCann Erickson, uh, to do the, you know, Simon Cowell's show, the X
factor.
We, I know a lot about marketing, a lot of the big ad agencies, the deals are made in
the hallways, um, type shit.
And, uh, you know, like you have like an eighties formula where, you know, IR brokers, internal
relation brokers were big.
Um, we had a booming stock market in the eighties.
A lot of what you see going on now is a, a replica of what happened prior.
It's just with a different technology.
And when, when you bring up things like the writer rips or rip offs, and it's funny, like
how people have names like Sam fraud, bankman, bankman fraud, you know, all that.
It's like, it, it, it is in line with what is happening.
And I, I used to be friends with writer.
I honestly, I, I, and then he, he started that collection and the, the, the noise and
then the spotlight.
And then, you know, like the, the, the case and then the closing.
Oh my gosh, everybody.
Like you haven't even seen the fucking peak because we're about to fucking grab a coin
off the street and call it fucking, you know, Oh my God, we're calling Pepe.
They were the largest fucking bag holders.
We have more than enough money to pay our, our penal fines that were clearly put in the
fucking headlines.
I talked to Pauly two years ago.
I asked him, you know, in theoretical, if there was like four hands of an institutional
versus one hand of retail, they don't have a chance.
These poor people have no chance, especially with being able to hire brands like McCann Erickson
and PNC, BNC, all that shit that you fucking, you would never even be able to fucking have
multiple offices at the fucking sunset Plaza, the fucking, you know, Pacific design center
look literally looking at each other fucking.
But some people actually have been there and see between the lines and don't go to stages
like Alex's and fucking, you know, support people like fucking Pauly and Ryder because
you see the, the manipulation at B and you really don't give a fuck because you, you know,
billionaires like legitimately, you don't have to fucking flex on that.
You, you've worked in areas where people literally have zero cell phone and have to serve each
other respect because they see each other one-to-one.
And I just see a lot of people not being able to do a simple thing.
Can you explain yourself in less than 60 seconds, what web one, two, three is what a blockchain,
you know, layer one, two, and three is.
If you can't be like layer one or better yet, let me start from web one.
Web one is simply AOL dial up fucking sending emails, exchange of information, watching your
favorite, you know, missed show, recap, and then you got layer two, social media integration,
exchange of content, YouTube, Facebook, Twitter.
The third layer is just an addition to the technology that already exists.
It's called blockchain and smart contracts.
That's it.
That's what web three is.
Ultimately, what a, what a layer one is going to be is a blockchain.
A layer two is a wallet that operates off that.
A layer three is a developer app that you can access through the, the browser on your
layer two.
Very, very simple.
These people are taking complete advantage to not educating people in a very simple form.
And that's the most disgusting fucking thing about that because you know how you advance
a civilization, you bring everybody up to par and I'm going to mute out.
I apologize.
Got some vibes right there from David.
No, it's back, dude.
It's all back.
Anybody else wants to come up?
By all means, by the end of this, we'll have a stage full of people commenting.
But Nathan, you threw your hand up there.
Did you have a comment or a question as well?
Yeah.
One of the points I want to make about Hash also is I feel like one of the reasons why
he got such traction in the last couple of months is because we haven't really had a
contrarian in the space so much.
And it's been a lot of like herd kind of mentality within Web3.
I mean, certain Twitter space hosts, certain projects, certain influencers are pretty much
hogging the spotlight.
And basically, you know, having, you know, people that are just their followers, their
fans, and we're all supposed to kind of go along with it.
And there wasn't really any kind of opposing or contrarian force.
So I feel like that's one of the reasons that I liked Hash early on.
And I feel like he brings a sort of critical thinking to the space, which was sorely lacking
because it was always like, oh, you know, if everyone's minting X, Y, Z, then I should
go mint X, Y, Z.
If I think, you know, so-and-so is a great host, then everyone else should think he's
a great host.
And so there wasn't anyone saying, you know, I disagree or I don't think this person is
great.
And that's how I found him originally was, you know, I was really tired of some of the
spaces on Twitter and some of the clicks, I guess, that exist.
And when I found him, I said, wow, okay, finally, there's somebody who kind of takes a contrarian
perspective to this, you know, and I really appreciate that, that he's not, he's about
as unbiased as you can get, because everyone kind of takes a side, takes an agenda.
And I just want to point that out.
So I feel like his strength isn't so much in like the exact XPT type expose or like blockchain
sleuth stuff, which I'm sure he does.
But it's more about like, you know, there's these clicks that exist and it's just, you
know, we're supposed to be, we're supposed to be about decentralization.
And a lot of these entities are very centralized.
And I also want to mention, yeah, let's give away a little lemons just for sentimental value
as well.
I don't know if, Riffey, you're still rocking with them.
What's going on with the, with the lemon crew?
All right, this is a NFT conversation.
We're trying to talk to hash right now.
I don't need to revisit the days of the lemons, but my bad, my bad.
I wrote the fuck out of those right now, dude.
Let me go.
I think we moved past that now, but you know, we, we tried, we lived, we learned, I can't
control.
Damn, bro.
You sound sour.
Get it?
Yeah, we, we, we squeezed, we squeezed the juice that we needed.
Here's the thing.
There you go.
Here's the thing.
You tried to make lemonade, dude.
Yeah, exactly.
Listen, here's the thing, guys.
We're doing, you know, again, this is conversations.
It's been a long running series.
I love the fact that we're able to have conversations with people in the space.
This one's exciting because hash is someone that's doing something completely unique in
a sense that's, you know, as David or Nathan, you mentioned, it's, you know, it's not
the sleuthing of what Zach XBT does or something, but it's, it's another
form of, of getting the information out.
And this is a question that I want to go to on myself.
Before I ask the question, make sure to share the space.
More people need to hear what's going on from others and not just from the specific spaces
that you're regularly in tune with.
Even if those are your jams, it's good to get out of your echo chambers.
But with that being said, you can win the giveaway bastard for tonight.
You can see it.
It's right above from hash.
It's another one of one from hash at the daily hash.
And so all you got to do is retweet the space link that's above that and check that out
and appreciate you being here.
There are a number of questions that I have lined up, but I want to know this.
So before I bring anyone else up, but if you do want to come up, just request, we'll
get you up here is hash.
How do you do it?
I mean, everyone has to think this, at least, you know, you put out these threads or you
put out the information.
So where are you getting the information?
Are you doing this alone?
Do you have a core group of, you know, people helping you?
How are you deciphering a lot of the content that you're putting out?
Because this isn't like, oh, I did one thing and I put it out and that's it.
This is a constant stream of information for months on end.
He's got a good group of people around him.
That's for sure.
Absolutely.
So like, yeah, tell us a little bit more about how it's done, because listen, there
are people that I know specifically that are my friends as well that tell me that they
speak with you, that they're in, you know, in tune with you and stuff.
But, you know, I want people to understand how does it all operate?
No, totally.
I mean, that's the thing.
That's what's so great about building those real relationships and connections, because it's
built on that trust and understanding that you and the other person are both here for
similar reasons or you have similar goals or at least similar intentions.
And a lot of my personal relationships have been built on that.
So, I mean, so many people that are in here, but the main people that I will, you know, either
be talking to information about or getting their opinion on things or, you know, they're
helping me shape, you know, what we're trying to talk about or like, you know, try to
understand what the fuck is going on.
It's people like Black Cloud who's down there.
It's like Cush Cabin who's not in here, but he's also one of my fucking guys.
The Goo God, you know, those are my two co-hosts on GMGFY.
You know, that's our Good Morning, Go Fuck Yourself.
That's our Twitter space.
It's my two co-hosts, you know, that's my those are my two guys.
And then Black Cloud helps with fucking, you know, everything on the back end from making
memes and shit to, you know, he keeps an eye out as well.
But then the thing about it is you are out here every single day and you are talking about
things that kind of like Nathan said, like not a lot of people are talking about.
And then you start getting people in your DMs giving you information or it's almost they it's
weird.
I I didn't I didn't understand why people trusted me with information at first because
I was like, this is like insider stuff that you're leaking to me.
Now I know it.
Why did you give that to me?
And, you know, I've always had a rule of.
I will never, ever, ever name.
Like where information came from, especially if it's somebody on the inside or somebody,
something specific to somebody, all that kind of stuff.
It's very much.
I don't know, because I always think that everything in this space is built around integrity
and transparency and honesty, right?
Like when you don't have those things, you get fucking somebody like Zagabond who can rug
three projects and then pop the fuck off with the Zuki and nobody gives a shit.
Right.
But you get around these people that have good intentions and then you are all kind of keeping
eyes out for the same thing.
And then you can sort of talk about and try to understand together what is happening.
And and, you know, that's where that like, you know, when you're looking into the blockchain
and you're in your you're going through wallets, it's helpful as hell to have, you know, somebody
else on the phone looking at the same thing, too.
And you're talking about it out loud saying, OK, this is linking to this.
This is linking to this.
What does that mean?
And it's almost like, you know, talking a problem out with somebody.
But again, it's all really like touchy information and you really have to trust people with it.
And I, you know, I completely trust my two co-hosts, Cush and Goo.
They're my fucking guys.
Because Black Cloud, you know, he's he's that fucking he's like the producer of that show,
you know, and, you know, in our core.
But then I've got like so many friends, ADHD, Experimental Shield, Wall Plug, Big Rob's down
there, you know, like my holders, my community that you lean on those people because.
Going out on a limb, especially when something is wrong, but the.
Whatever, whatever is wrong and you start talking about it.
That like a kid called Beast, you know, I had there was I had information leaked to me and
I had to put it out.
It was like you can't once you get this information and they are, you know.
Their public image is perceived in a certain way because of how they're positioning themselves
and it's not.
Accurate to what's going on behind the scenes.
I have this fuck this nine fucking feeling where I'm like, God, these people are just
they're scamming people out of money.
But the risk is, is those communities are fucking rabid and it doesn't matter.
Even in, you know, I we always talk about the proof.
The proof is on the blockchain.
You can't hide from anything.
Sometimes not even the proof is enough.
And these motherfuckers will gang up.
They'll fucking beat your ass up.
They'll bot your account.
They'll reply all day to you.
They will fucking roast your art.
They will say your shit is shit.
They will roast your floor price, your activity, everything.
And you just kind of have to swallow all that.
Let it roll off.
I didn't used to be good at that.
All that shit got to me.
But, you know, having that core group around you is fucking important.
Even if it's just like mental support of like just having fucking friends, you know, like
people that you, you trust, like that is that when you come back, that will keep you coming
back every single fucking day is when you have people that, you know, you can trust and you
know, you're they're in it and you know, they'll, they'll, they'll keep you accountable
to that's the thing.
It's like you can't have fucking yes men around you.
You have to have people that are honest.
And that's something that happens too with a lot of people in either crypto or NFTs is
it's all a bunch of fucking yes men.
Like Mario Nauticals, perfect example, but it's like, keep people around you that are
fucking honest, accountable.
We'll, we'll, we'll keep you on your shit and we'll make sure everybody else is on their
shit.
That's good.
That couldn't be more true.
Um, good, good friend of mine was like trying to pay me to help him out with the fucking project.
And I just was like, bro, this is not going to be successful.
Like I'm not, I'm, I'm your friend.
I, I'm not going to take money from you and think that just because I'm taking money from
you, um, I'm going to make this happen.
I'm going to make a cognitive decision, um, for myself and be honest with myself.
And I think that's how people make friends is like, ultimately you're in a space like
there, people are investing money.
Don't invest money that you don't have to burn because it can, don't go to a casino and think
that like, just because you're there, you're going to make money.
You know, like there's people that are just highly advanced and you got to assume if you
didn't do eight years worth of schooling and trading and you know, you, you don't have
a real temperature for the market, you're probably going to lose.
That's, that's, that's gambling.
The difference between investing and gambling is investing is having a lot of information
like at your fingertips and understanding it and having calculated risk towards your
financial investment.
Um, gambling is like looking at something and thinking it's going to win and throwing money
at the wall and hoping it's going to stick.
Sounds a lot like fucking poker, dude.
What's going on?
Yeah.
So listen, uh, we've got, we've got a lot.
We've got to continue to talk about.
We're reaching the top of the hour.
We're just getting started here.
We've got hands in the air.
So let's talk to the hands, uh, here.
You mentioned Mario hash.
I want to play, uh, where I drop a name, you drop a thought or thoughts, but we'll get
there.
Let's go to the hands first.
I know Papa put his hand up, but Lisa, you were here, uh, first we brought you up.
So why don't you go, uh, we go to Lisa and then we'll go to CEO Papa.
Hi, thanks.
Hi rep.
Hi hash.
Um, thank you so much for inviting me and start off with, I think that's brilliant that
you're like inviting new creators into the space.
Um, I want to go back to what Nathan was saying about the, where, where the big, not like the
big names are dominating the space.
And there's definitely lots of clicks and echo chambers.
That's something that I'm definitely finding out.
Um, everywhere I've gone, it's calling for new artists and new, new blood in the space
and new creators.
So my question is to both rip and hash.
Um, what steps would you say the existing creators in the space can take to open the space
up to that new blood that everyone's shouting for?
And also what advice would you give to the new creators and the new artists that just
enter in the space and just starting to create their first NFT collections?
Oh my God.
I love that.
I love that question so much.
That is a beautiful question.
Uh, it's great to meet you by the way.
Um, thank you for asking that question.
Nice to meet you too.
Let's go.
Um, so the first thing is like, when I think about all of the artists,
artists in the space and, uh, and NFTs and the independent creator space and the one of
one artists.
And I think about people like, um, Josh who runs, uh, a great collection is handle is chaos
of Josh and he has been, he, he, he, he's a digital artist first.
And then now he's 3d printing, uh, figures, his own figures based on his own art.
He invested his own money in all of this, uh, to deliver to his holders per like, you know,
personalized, uh, packages, including those little figures and a bunch of different merch
and stuff.
And, and it's, it's, it's fucking incredible to see what artists with a whole lot less
are doing.
They're doing so much more than these generative projects with a whole lot more money.
Um, and when I think about that power, right, that creativity, that ambition, and that they'll
just fucking do it, you know, and that's fucking powerful.
And all of those artists coming together, like if you stay, if all of these artists stuck
together and supported all of each other, you know, and they were like, you know, the
collective voice of all of these artists towers over even in a Zuki or a board apes, not, maybe
not right now when you think about media attention, but when you think about the actual
people that prop up the NFT space, it is the artists.
And the problem is that the artists were told that they weren't the priority.
The priority was the money.
They were told that through marketplaces like blur and open seat, taking away and forced creator
royalties and incentivizing quick flips and profits.
And that destroyed NFTs.
And the way back is that collective push from all of these artists.
It's almost like unionizing, right?
But it's not because there's no, you know, governing body, all of these fucking dows and
blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
It's just about decentralization, the name of the fucking game, but coming together with
similar interests to create a louder voice.
Right.
And I always, and I always, I get it speaking in opposition and Nathan kind of alluded to
this.
The reason there aren't a lot of quote unquote contrarians and they're, they're only perceived
as contrarian because everybody is so fucking homogenous in thought because it's all about
protecting the money.
You can't, you're all in it together because you all have the same bags, right?
There's always the, the, the crippling, uh, um, force within NFTs is financial incentive.
Like once that become like, it's, it's, it's getting chipped away at, you know, and it, all
it is, is about having that endurance to get to the point where enough people that aren't
artists or flippers, uh, start caring about that, that it starts to turn.
Right.
And it's, it's, it's, it's, it's just about having that fucking endurance and that resilience
to see it through because it's just a matter of time before the house of cards of that money
comes crumbling down.
And then who's, who's fucking left.
It's all the artists that are building this fucking strong, super fucking condensed community.
That is very supportive, very organic, very healthy.
There are no pumping dumps.
It's not financially incentivized.
It's about collecting and innovating and doing cool shit with cool people.
Like that's what this is all about.
And yeah, yeah, my bad dude.
I'm fucking, I mean, I just love that question so much, but that's, that's, that's how you
do it.
You know, it's, it's, well, no, I just want to, I want to echo what you're saying, doing
cool shit with cool people.
Uh, but I just want to add in, uh, quickly the idea of pay attention to being manipulated.
This space is, is rife with manipulation.
I mean, I've never been in a place in my entire life that there is so much manipulation going
on on a regular basis that, um, you know, it's hard not to get sucking sucked into it,
even if you're paying attention to it.
And quite frankly, I would also just add that, uh, it's really important that you stay true
to who you are, be authentic, uh, in every, uh, manner in any case, you know, uh, you know,
just for a quick throwback, right.
There was, uh, you know, we talked about the little lemons 30 minutes ago.
Right.
So I, you know, I joined the little lemons unbeknownst to me, what it was going to be
about, uh, as I was, uh, into integral in, in kind of helping grow them at the start.
Uh, you know, had a whole morning show, did the whole thing.
It was, it was, it was fun, thought we were doing good stuff.
And, and immediately after some time inside of the team recognized what was going on here.
It wasn't something I could stand for, uh, and, and, and had to, you know, had to talk
about it, had to, to, to try to change the things, not just sit there and, uh, and do
that forever.
And so, you know, the important thing is that if you want to have a long-term view of this
type of stuff, you know, and outlast a lot of the short-term.
Chaos, a lot of the short-term hype, then stay true to yourself, do your thing, uh,
and don't get caught up too much in, in what's hot.
You can have some fun here and there, of course.
But, um, like, like, like you said, hash, the blockchain doesn't lie no matter what.
Uh, it's one of the main reasons why, uh, there are a few and far between, but you see,
I'm just me.
I got nothing to hide.
Uh, you can find me in web two.
Uh, you can find me in web three.
You see my picture.
It's a grail one-on-one.
You see my name.
Cause I'm not trying to deceive anyone.
I just continue to show up and I do my thing.
Uh, and I marched to my drum and, and that works for me and that should work for everyone
to do their thing.
Uh, and that's how you learn at the start, because a lot of people are going to tell you
they're going to help you, uh, but they're really just going to help themselves and pretend
like they're helping you.
And that's an unfortunate truth that you'll find out the longer that this, that you spend
time, uh, in the space.
Uh, and like I always said, uh, from the beginning, don't, don't trust anyone really just, uh,
trust yourself and always, always question, you know, question what I say, question what
everyone says, find the answers for yourself.
Uh, and then over time you'll understand, you know, you'll be able to curate the right type
of following the right type of followers and, and the feed that you can trust.
The most valuable tip that I can give anyone on Twitter is curating your feed.
Your feed, uh, it can create so much value for your short-term life and your long-term
life, but it's all about making sure that you are following and being followed by the
right people.
And you may want to follow the people that you don't trust or the people that you see
doing certain things, because that will give you the actual signal and the noise.
And those are such key ingredients to having some long-term success, uh, you know, in creating
your art and having the right people aligned with you.
Uh, and so just keep true to yourself.
It can be tough though.
It is a minefield out there.
Uh, and, and last but not least, make sure to get off of this.
You know, I always say, yeah, spaces are cool, but you know, check out the places in real
life too, right?
Because that's the only way you can have long-term success.
And I've been around this for a long time.
Now I hosted the morning squeeze late 2021.
Into 2022, uh, you know, we're 2023 summer here.
That's a long time in crypto terms, uh, to be on Twitter.
The one way that I've survived mentally, uh, and physically is by checking out all the
time, spending a lot of time outside of this space and realizing you might miss stuff, but
you'll, you'll always come back and there'll be something good for you to be a part of.
Uh, and that's really some of the keys I want to just add on to what you were saying,
hash.
So fuck.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so the thing is, I want to continue with the questions.
We also brought up a GB pound.
You're going to go after we go to CEO Papa.
Let's go to CEO Papa, uh, then GB pound.
And then we can continue with the questions.
If more people want to get up here, just request.
This is the space and the place to talk about, uh, anything going on in the NFT space with
hash bastards, the guest tonight, we treat the space.
Let's get more people in, uh, to hear from hash himself, CEO Papa, what's happening?
What's going on guys?
I actually, it's funny.
I actually thought I followed hash, but I didn't cause he's always on my feed.
Apparently, uh, a lot of people I follow are into the hashy talking big shit.
And I always thought I was following him anyway.
I kind of like it.
Uh, question is, are any of you bullish on any 10 K PFP projects?
That's my question.
I have, I have one example that I always give because honestly, I fucking respect everything.
It's, it's, it's, uh, everything about the, I don't know.
I just feel like they do everything right is killer bears.
I think they are the one that it like kind of sets a gold standard when it comes to focusing
on, it just isn't, it's not as much built on hype as it is.
It's like, there is a really fucking gamified experience that they deliver and it is kind
of, uh, new and innovative.
And I always look for new and innovative concepts.
Um, and I don't have a killer bears or anything like that.
Um, but that's just like when I'm thinking about projects that I would struggle to say
something bad about, right?
Um, that's one that comes to mind.
Let's go.
I love it.
Uh, and listen, you know, one other thing, and then we're going to go to GB pound and
then we'll go back to David is that, uh, there are, there are definitely projects out there
doing stuff.
And one of the reasons I appreciate what hash is doing and the idea that we need, uh, people
to speak out for what's right and what's wrong, or at least speak out to let people, you know,
read the facts or, or, or figure out the facts or figure out the information is because what
has happened over the last couple of years.
And I have seen this firsthand from start to, I don't want to say finish cause we're not
done, but so much mischief, so much, uh, corruption or, or, or, or just not right behavior has gone
And that is taking the oxygen away from everything that is going right.
And it has completely taken the industry and steered it into a place where we're now
at the point where, I mean, look at what with SPF and FTX and, and you just look at how far
we've gone off the tracks of where we were headed because a lot of the people that called
themselves leaders have either lied, misled, uh, and deceived everyone to get to their position.
And, and that has to be accounted for.
That's no way to have a long-term sustainable ecosystem if that's what you're built on.
And so speaking out and speaking up is not necessarily fighting.
It's not doing anything wrong.
Uh, you know, in fact, I like when people speak out and speak up so you can have the conversation.
The point is to have the conversation to understand all sides of the coin and get the
information out there.
At the end of the day, the blockchain isn't going to lie.
Uh, and if you don't have anything to hide, then don't hide.
Uh, let's talk about it.
And then we need more of that.
And I used to say this years ago, you know, you weren't even able to ask questions on people
because you're immediately fighting.
It's not fighting to have, you know, nuance or questions or views.
You can agree to disagree.
You can have, you know, fruitful conversations that lead to more productive outcomes.
And that's for me been my overall out, you know, outcome and goal in general.
Uh, I'd be happy to talk with anyone about anything right or wrong if we believe it or
not, because that's how you further the, the actual conversation and, and the, and the
information and the technology.
Um, let's go to JB Pound.
Yo, what is up?
I saw my boy hash on you and I was like, Oh shit.
I have to fucking, first of all, I have to hear him.
And then second, I was like, Oh, I know this is going to be good because you know what?
This guy has the biggest block list I ever seen, you know?
And that's why I like him because he tells it like it is like everyone else.
I feel like there'll be, there'll be sugarcoating shit in the NFT market.
And it's crazy.
Like, you know, that they're just lying, but he is just so blunt.
It's like, we need that shit.
And I love it.
And honestly to go, I kind of wanted to like the answer, uh, I think it's Lisa or Lessa.
I'm sorry if I'm pronouncing that wrong, but I wanted to like go, she said creators kind
of joining the space or artists joining the space.
Uh, you know, if you want to do it, just fucking do it.
Like, honestly, like my, my Twitter account, like I've grown so much and it wasn't because
like I'm doing everything or doing what everyone else is doing.
I just went along and I was like, you know what?
I have a marketing background.
Marketing is my job.
So I'm just going to teach it to people and, and, and I'm going to teach it to web three
people and see how it goes.
Right.
I did that in January, started off with like maybe 2,500 followers today.
I just passed over 7,000.
Um, so clearly, uh, I think I'm doing something right.
And it was all because I went against the grain, right?
I didn't follow what everyone else was doing.
I did my own thing that I'm passionate about because it's my fucking job and I love it.
And I just started speaking my mind and just giving tips and helping everyone and, and
let it be pretty good.
So I don't know.
I just wanted to say some good words though.
Uh, I love you, hash.
This guy's fucking awesome.
He's the realest one.
I think in web three, um, blocked by all the influence.
Influencers, your favorite influencer probably has him blocked because he talks the right
shit to him.
I just wanted to say that though.
Nah.
Hey, fucking appreciate you, bro.
And GB has got a fucking stuff, sub stack.
He's doing shit the right way.
I see his shit all the time everywhere.
Shout out to that motherfucker.
Thank you, GB.
Uh, and if you want to drop your sub stack link or something in the chat, you can do that
for being here.
We got more hands.
Uh, people want to ask the questions, uh, and we still haven't gotten to throw a name
out there and hear a thought, but let's go back to David and then we'll go to the Jentra
last.
So I'm actually being asked to speak on that name that we don't speak of, uh, right now.
I wanted to stick around, um, hold my ground.
I appreciate you, your space.
Um, my focus is not there.
I have to go, um, a lot of people don't like them.
Uh, I'm not going to speak on any names or whatever, but, um, I, I gotta go speak on,
uh, Ben.Eath, which he thinks is funny making his name beneath.
Um, but I gotta go.
I, I, I love you guys.
I love fucking hash.
Hash is fucking a real true OG, like fucking.
And I wish my mother and my grandmother was on this planet because we'd all be saying
the same thing.
Um, a hundred percent.
Like, uh, I support you, my friend.
And, uh, I gotta go hammer this guy because I'm, I'm not, I'm not about fucking negative
space.
And ultimately I, people think it's funny.
You know, there's a lot of weird shit going on.
People like, Oh, all of a sudden I'm going to bring a lawsuit out of nowhere.
Um, one year in the making.
Um, you know, you, you can exchange words and say things very, very amicably.
Um, web three brings in a fucking unique aspect to all this because there's real no regulation.
Um, in that sense, I will speak from somebody who has dealt in a, an unregulated industry
for 20 years and then move towards regulation.
Um, those things are used to manipulate a lot of the market.
Um, and I'm just going to leave it at that.
I love you guys.
Um, what do, what do I call you?
My friend, right?
Right.
Right.
You call me, you call me what it comes out of your mouth, man.
Right.
Right.
Right.
Right.
I just want to give you respect, my friend.
That that's it.
You got, that's it.
I appreciate the respect.
Uh, thanks for being here.
Yeah, man.
And, uh, I'll be back as fast as possible.
All right.
Like I rather be here than, than where I got to go.
I think everyone should rather.
No, I know, but I, I, I have to like, when you have it in your heart, you got to do something.
You got to do it.
All right.
Follow that.
All right.
Appreciate it.
Let's go to decentralized decentralized.
What's going on tonight?
First off, how's it going, bros?
Uh, no, nobody here knows me except for maybe hash.
Um, but I saw hash up here.
So I jumped in and I'm here in very interesting conversation and I might know a thing or two.
About the perspective of being on both sides here.
Um, I'm not sure if hash remembers, but I'm blocked by everybody in the Bitcoin space.
Like from OG days of arguing about block size words and shit.
So Bitcoin blocks me.
Every maxi blocks me and half the dumb ass core devs blocked me.
But here's the thing.
I love everybody.
Okay.
So the reason I'm blocked is because like you guys, which is not cool back in the day.
I like to push back, you know, it's healthy.
We need people in this space to push back.
You know, I see sleuth down there in the, or I see he's up here.
In the, in the, in the space.
So it was the G, right?
X big C is a G.
Everybody's a fucking G that pushes back on any narrative in this goddamn planet.
Thank you for existing.
First off.
Secondly, I'm going to push back on you guys right now.
Cause I love you guys.
Okay.
I come from both sides of this space.
I've been a builder in this space for a very long time.
Sleuth, whoever you guys want to fucking check me up.
Go ahead.
Check me out.
You might like, dislike some things I've done in this space.
I give a fuck less.
Right.
But I'm pretty honest in the sense that like, I believe in what I do.
I'm okay with standing by what I do.
Right.
So I'm making mistakes.
That's okay.
So my whole point of all this is, is maybe it's not super healthy for us to always be detractors in this ecosystem.
Right.
Maybe it's healthier for us to provide examples and frameworks for people to do better.
And that's something I've tried to take to heart instead of becoming somebody online who's always yelling at everybody for doing it wrong, getting myself silenced, blocked on the subreddits, et cetera, et cetera, for being too goddamn based.
Because people can't handle based people.
Instead, I've taken this approach these days of, I'm going to build, I'm going to make the same mistakes everybody else is going to make, but I'm going to try to make them in a better, more elegant way so that I can turn around and educate the next person on how to do that better than I would have done it the first time I tried.
Right.
So we're going to make mistakes.
We're all going to look like idiots sometimes.
There's going to be a bunch of people that call us scammers.
That's just part of crypto.
Right.
Like, yes, you guys can decide for yourself whether or not somebody is a scammer.
I'm not saying, like, I would never in my life defend pen.eth or BitBoy or any of these fucking idiots.
Right.
But I would go to say there's two sides to every story.
Right.
Just because Sleuth posts something or just because Zach posts something that someone's a fucking scammer.
Trust me, they've done their research.
They're probably right.
But that doesn't make them the definitive source of truth.
Right.
Just because Hash is roasting somebody doesn't mean that Hash's point of view is necessarily the only point of view.
So, for example, just to bring this back to a quick example, Azuki, everyone's roasting the fuck out of Azuki.
I get it.
Right.
A hundred percent.
I get it.
But you guys got to come at it from a business perspective, a mindset of maybe they fucked up a thing or two.
Maybe they're human.
This kind of stuff.
Right.
And then you start painting this picture of, well, they kind of did what they had to do.
Like, they didn't have a lot of options.
They're an NFT company.
Udi said this really funny thing yesterday where he was basically like, I don't know why everyone's mad at an NFT company for selling more NFTs.
What do you expect them to do?
To become a merch company?
Like, yeah, that's like the basis of a lot of this, like problems that we have in the space.
Right.
So setting expectations is key.
I find the number one problem in crypto is everyone sets the expectations as a salesman and not a builder.
As a builder, you learn really quickly not to over promise and under deliver because that's how you get called a scammer in crypto.
And now I'll shut up.
Facts.
Okay.
The one retort I'll get, I'll say is like, if anybody in the space does not have room to fail or an excuse to fail, it is fucking a Zuki, especially when they were chasing the BAYC flip.
And now they are fucking at risk of the M-A-Y-C reverse flip.
That is one hell of a week.
You're 100% right.
And I don't mean to sound like I'm a fan, a holder or anything like that.
I just mean like, let's, let's have a nuanced conversation about business.
Right.
Like sometimes as opposed to like, they, they went out of their way to fuck everybody over and drop the floor price and the whales are selling cause they knew about it.
Like, we don't know that.
Right.
We don't know that.
Yeah.
I honestly, I wouldn't say it's, uh, I, I, I, I, all I think it is, is incompetence.
You know, that's it.
That is, I don't think there's anything more, um, whatever the word is for being a dick.
Well, that's what happens when you give millions of dollars to 20 year olds.
You know what I mean?
All right, guys, listen, I got to do one thing here.
Listen, I'm hosting this space.
If, if I, I mean, I'm happy to let everyone come to our talk, ask the questions, but you got to let me at least when I'm talking, you got to give a second here.
All right.
I appreciate the question.
Decentral, I want to just bring this back.
This is one of the reasons why I normally just go one-on-one, but I love it.
I want to have this conversation.
I just want to touch on things.
Uh, you, you said nuance.
Nuance, you said, take both sides of the coin.
You're absolutely right.
One hundred percent.
I think you might've missed it at the start.
One of the most important things is question everything, question anyone, uh, whether it's Zach, whether it's me, whether it's Hash, anything, question everything.
Absolutely.
That is the a hundred percent right, uh, mindset, uh, you know, just because you are right often doesn't mean you're right all the time.
We're always, uh, you know, humans in general, we're going to be wrong.
Uh, you know, so you have to question things no matter, you know, no matter what.
So I appreciate you bringing up that question, everything, be, be on both sides and try to understand, uh, you know, perspectives.
So nuance is always needed.
I appreciate that.
You mentioned that without doubt.
It makes a lot of sense.
Let's get addicted in here.
He's had his hand up for a minute here.
Uh, addicted.
Thanks for being here.
Appreciate you.
I'm actually glad I followed Hash in here and got to meet you.
Um, I really get along with people that everything's a scam until otherwise proven.
I think it takes a long time of being in the ecosystem to learn that the hard way.
Um, I really wanted to ask Hash, what made you, so the Wayback Machine, you started throwing stuff in there that was integral, um, with some research.
What made you start doing that?
And follow up question, how do you become extremely unbiased to get data and information out of that?
And threads, because those are the only threads worth of anything, is an unbiased data statistics only type thread.
It's fucking impossible.
And I, I, kudos to anyone that can do it.
I'm wondering how you do it, because it seems 40 hours in, you still, I can't do it.
No, I mean, that's, I think at the end of the day, I'm trying to make an argument.
And the most interesting or, uh, I can't, I'm losing fucking words, dude.
Um, the most convincing argument to me is one that is rooted in truth and proof.
And there was a point in time where I would say things, uh, or I would infer things.
Right.
And I didn't have the actual hard evidence to back it up.
It was like, of course this is happening.
Um, but I didn't have the technical knowledge to back it up.
And I would have to try to ask people like, Hey, can you look at this for me?
Um, but then I was like, I can't one it's, it's too much time to try to, you know, contact
somebody and wait on somebody.
It would be a lot easier if I learned how to do this myself.
And then I can sort of, I, I, I, I can, I can see if a claim is something to look into
right off the bat.
Right.
Cause you can kind of see right away if there's something to it, or if it's somebody with a
vendetta, um, you know, I've had people come to me who are clearly, they have a vendetta
and I think, or, you know, they've been wronged by somebody related to the project.
And, you know, I'm always looking at, okay, what is your motivation for doing this?
Uh, because sometimes like I have to be careful that I could get manipulated, right.
Um, into posting something because somebody wants me to.
So I think it's about divorcing myself from any emotion around the topic and focusing on
what is actually true and provable.
And then building my case around that.
Do you always inverse yourself?
Like, do you try and argue it the other way to come up with the unbiased middle?
Oh yeah.
Well, cause I, I'm so I'm one thing I'm grateful about for, you know, of the, the people that
will come in and defend a project sort of blindly, um, is that I know what to, I know the responses.
I know what I need to be able to defend on, like, oh, you're just jealous.
Oh, you're mad because they're profiting.
Oh, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Um, they didn't do this.
You can't prove it.
They already said that wasn't that like, because a lot of the times these founders take it upon
themselves to, uh, you know, it's always, it's on the blockchain and it's provable, but
I'm still going to spin my narrative around it.
And that's like, it, it got to the point where, oh, okay, I need the proof.
And then I realized, oh, sometimes the proof isn't even enough.
And at that point, you kind of just have to take another step back and realize sometimes
you're not gonna be able to convince somebody.
It doesn't matter how much proof you got.
Um, and that's the part too.
It's like, you just have to let people make their own mind up.
You put the information out there, if they think it's worth, you know, having some kind
of opinion about them, they will, if not, they'll ignore it.
And whatever happens happens, but I feel better, um, you know, putting out something that I
believe is true and that I can prove is true.
And I think that if my goal is to convince people who are willing to be convinced, then
that is how, that's the best place to start.
I respect it.
Yeah.
Uh, I love it.
Let's go to Papa for the next question.
All right.
So when was the last time you ate shit?
And I'll go first.
Cause I've eaten shit in this space real hard before, uh, I partnered with this clown named
baby.eth, uh, actual scammer.
I released a project called momos.
Uh, it flopped royally.
I personally had to refund, I would say 95% of the people because he was worthless.
And I wasted about six months of my life during the bull.
Uh, that was me eating Royal shit in this space.
Uh, how about you guys?
How are you guys?
Oh, I've, I've got a grand prime example.
Um, it is the, the one time I got something wrong.
Okay.
I try, I, I put a thread out about Paul, uh, with information that I was given that I verify.
I, I thought I verified, I, I did everything.
There was, I, there was one fucking thing wrong.
And that one thing derailed everything.
And he fucking wiped his ass with me and it was the, it was embarrassing and he was right.
And I had to delete that shit and I had to apologize and say, Hey, I was fucking wrong.
Um, and you know, I ate the shit, um, you know, and I messaged him and I was like, dude, listen,
I know we're not on great terms, but I, you know, I got to apologize to you directly too.
Um, so, I mean, that's the thing.
Sometimes you're going to eat shit.
You just got to fucking, if you, I put myself, I sat myself down at the table to eat the shit.
Um, the person that gave me that information, looking back on it, clearly had a vendetta.
Um, I was probably biased as well.
And that fucked me.
Um, but it taught me a good lesson and I'll never do it again.
And I'm even more careful than I was.
Um, but that was a big shit eater for sure.
Wow.
Uh, well, I mean, at least, uh, you're showcasing that, uh, if you do get it wrong, you know,
you kind of come out with more, let's go to Decentral, uh, back to you.
And then I want to, I want to start, uh, the questions around, uh, certain individuals.
Uh, we're now 90 minutes in.
If you're in here, I appreciate you.
You can share the space.
Uh, there is a giveaway bastard for one of you lovely, uh, people.
Uh, but yeah, shed space if you'd like.
Uh, otherwise we're going to keep hanging.
Uh, we're going long here on, uh, on a wonderful Wednesday evening.
Let's go back to Decentralize.
Okay.
So I got two quick things.
And I guess the second thing is a question.
The first thing is an answer.
Um, I've eaten shit so many fucking times that you could probably have a, a Zach XBT threat
on me.
If he was, if he was a rude guy, if he didn't, if you had a vendetta, you could make us
some shit about me.
That's how many times I've eaten shit, right?
Like from altcoins since dash to PIVX to smart cash to NFT projects to taking over an
own fork on a phantom and having that basically go to zero and having to make the hard decision
to shut that down and redistribute the treasury.
Like I can just tell you all the things right, right on a quick list.
Right.
But at the end of the day, I'm still here.
I'm going to stay here forever.
I'm going to keep building.
I'm going to keep fucking up in an honest manner.
I'm going to do my best not to fuck up obviously, but I mean, here we are in a space that nobody
understands yet.
So what are you going to do about that?
And then, um, you know, at the end of the day, now I'm working on an F and an ordinals
NFT collection that I've been working on for a year since before ordinals existed.
And I, I pivoted that to from ETH to ordinals.
Right.
So now here's my question for you guys.
Um, and I have the answers.
Don't worry.
I don't need the answers, but this is just the exercise for you guys to think of.
Let's say I'm starting an NFT collection.
I don't know what I'm doing.
Where is my roadmap on how to do this the right way?
Or where is my handholding or my community to teach me to do it the right?
Cause everybody in the crypto space telling you to do it the wrong way at the end of the
day, right now, they're telling you to add a token Ponzi or telling, you know, all these
dumb ideas, but all you really need to do is use your NFT collection to build the community.
So how do I do that the right way?
Well, I mean, that's the thing I think it's, and you sort of talked about it already.
It's about your intent.
Like, I don't think there is a right way.
I think there is a million different ways that you can do it and be successful.
And you kind of see that with the variety of artists.
And that's why I love the independent artist space, because you just see so many different
forms of art and executions of how they build that brand around the art.
Uh, but it's all coming from a place of good intention and appreciation for the technology
and the art.
If you're coming from that place, I honestly have a very hard time, you know, faulting
you for trying, because that's why we're all here.
I'm not going to sit here and say, I'm a great fucking artist.
I'm like, people make your shit in Microsoft paint.
I don't, I make it in Photoshop, but people say Microsoft paint, you know?
But it's about, you know, it's about being true to, and Michael kind of got into this,
like being true to yourself and who you are, um, and what you are.
And I've always said to people, especially one of like independent artists.
And I think the, that there is a delineation to be made between an independent artist and
a generative 10,000 project, because inherently those are created to make a large portion of
money quickly at one time.
Um, one of one independent artists aren't built like that.
I, you know, me personally, I drop, um, a one, one NFT every weekday.
Right.
And, uh, most of the time the, I break even pretty much like on all my collections of when
it's like, okay, I make money, um, from sales, but then money goes into mint costs and airdrops
and transfers and all that kind of stuff.
And you sort of have to be innovative in the way that you create attention because it's
not going to be handed to you from, you know, some venture capitalist who is just trying to
do the exact same thing that somebody else that made money did.
Um, and I, I think that's my whole thing.
It's like, if you are truly trying to do something, um, to the best of your capabilities, then maybe
not even, it's just, you're trying to build something and you're creating, uh, and you're
doing it not because you want to make a million dollars and it's really transparent.
Um, but because, yeah, this would be awesome to make it my, my full-time gig, but I'm not
going to do it in a way that fucks over everybody around me and destroys, uh, the opportunity for
the next person because I've contributed to the public perception of NFTs and crypto being
so fucking poor.
You know, I think that's, that, that's it.
Um, just, just be fucking real again, comes back to the authentic, you know, authentic
nature, uh, just doing your thing.
You know, that's, that's what I've noticed, especially in my time around here is that what
has happened, especially is that we have seen certain individuals have success.
Some of them rightfully so deservedly so, uh, earned, but then we've also seen a lot of
cheap, uh, not innovative, uh, very, very basic, uh, or, or not even basic, but just stuff
that, that is taking advantage of others and manipulative, as I said before, come into success.
And the problem that, you know, is really frustrating about that is that on two, two, two levels, one
that, that has, uh, allowed others to, to say, Hey, I should do the same thing.
And so we've got a lot of copy, not just copy pasta, but copycatting on that, those ideas,
uh, that they, you know, cause they, someone sees success in this way.
So they just keep doing it and imitating it and it's gotten cheaper and cheaper and it's
devalued in general, the whole space.
And at the same time, all that does is then show the people that are working their asses
off or trying to remain true, how much more difficult it is when you see that, you know,
you're demoralized seeing others have this wild success when they haven't done anything,
or you feel like it's not deserved.
And it's, and it, you know, you say, don't compare yourself to others.
It's a very easy thing to say, and it's a tough thing to do when it's you in your own,
you know, mindset working your, your, yourself, uh, you know, nonstop day in, day out.
And so it's just, you know, to me, if you want to have a long-term, uh, look at the blockchain,
the technology, which I think most of us, or some of us believe has a future, then you
can remain and have a lot more success over a longer period of time, uh, essentially forever
by being true to yourself and just being authentic day in, day out, uh, without, you know, concern
of misleading and deceiving people as your way of success.
Because that stuff in, in it's, it's a tale as long as time in any industry, in any, uh,
situation, those short-term grifts or short-term hype or success, or, you know, you mislead,
you get found out at some point, it catches up to you at some point.
Um, and so, you know, listen, not everyone is going to go, I want to do it that way.
And I'm not saying I have all the right answers.
I clearly don't, but I certainly know that, uh, being true and authentic has never, uh,
you know, been a bad way to go about it.
And, uh, especially if you believe that over time, this is going to continue to propel,
uh, this space forward, technologically speaking, and that as more and more people do actually
come, eventually they're going to care more about the people that are putting out real
honest, uh, you know, you know, value of some sorts than the, the short-term kind of hype
machine that has overtaken, uh, a lot of the, the people in the space in the shorter
term.
Um, all right.
So I know we have, uh, only so much more time.
Usually this is one hour.
We are certainly having a great conversation and it's been open to a lot at this point.
I'm thinking we might have to do NFT conversations part two with hash, uh, sometime, uh, because
there's so much that we want to get to, and we really haven't gotten to much of it, but
that's okay because I haven't done one of these in a while, but I'm so glad, uh, that
you guys have joined us.
I'm going to say a name hash, uh, if anybody else wants to come up, you can request and
still come up.
If you have a question, drop it in the bottom right chat.
Uh, but hash, let me say a name and you just, you take it from there.
Uh, you can go short, long.
Um, let's just go to Mario.
I mean, you mentioned Mario already.
Uh, obviously Mario has had a incredible level of success over the last three, four months
in, in notoriety and in growth.
Uh, you know, no matter what, you know, I see it hands down.
I get, I see where you guys are all at and I'm not, I'm not here to take his side or anything.
Of course, uh, he's not here.
Uh, I would invite him here, but, but yeah, what, what, what's, you know, and I know you
put some stuff out on Mario recently.
I haven't had enough time to really dive deep in it, but what do you think about and what
do you say about Mario novel?
I love him.
No, I'm just kidding.
Um, now Mario, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's, he's,
he's one, it's one of those funny things.
Uh, he started popping off last November is when he started really popping off and black
loud, that motherfucker, he's in here.
He, he, uh, pointed him out and he was like, yo, this, there's some, this guy is really,
he's, he's, his spaces are huge.
You know, like he's got, he's, he's getting some attention.
I was like, you know, I've seen this guy around, like, why is he getting so big?
And all it takes is just being a little curious, you know, and I go to his profile and I click
on the website linked in his profile.
It's for IBC groups and knowing me and my hatred and detest for pump and dumps finding
that Mario runs essentially a pump and dump workshop for coins and projects.
It was, it was a, it was like a gold mine.
I, I was so impressed with the infrastructure around faking the success of a project in order
to have perceived success that garners eventual success.
That is essentially Mario's entire platform.
He has bought it, his shit from the beginning.
He has rugged and stolen so much money, millions of dollars.
He is misappropriated investor funds.
He has double charged clients that he has worked with in this pump and dump fucking academy
scheme that he has.
And now, you know, that's what I hated about him.
He's, he was contributing to the, the pump and dumps.
And then you dig in deeper and you, as he's growing, more people are feeding you more information
about him.
You get in touch with, you know, I got in touch with upper echelon.
He was a YouTuber that wanted to make a video about it.
Um, and he did because it was such a, it was such an interesting, to me, it was an interesting
story in that this figure was growing so rapidly in this new medium, Twitter spaces.
He was already getting attention from Elon back then.
And the fact that this person that was getting so much notoriety had this much shit behind him,
it became my personal mission.
Um, you know, the more that I found out about him, I was like this motherfucker.
Um, and you know, people seeing this kind of blow up now, there was an article on NBC about
him today.
Um, his former chief marketing officer came out on Saturday.
Uh, he is somebody that I've been in touch with from very, very early on, probably January
this year.
A lot of information that I have or have gotten is because of that connection.
Um, you know, him, I, and, and upper echelon have worked together through all of this.
Um, and, and seeing where it is now, where it, it was just inquiring about this guy and who
is he now to having this entire, just treasure trove of information and wrongdoings and leaks
and whistleblowers.
And there are lawsuits and arrest warrants and investigations and now news articles as
you know, Elon Musk is, is still pumping him and, and quote tweeting him and complimenting
his coverage on blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
And I always give credit to Mario for being one of the hardest working grifters I've ever
come across.
I've never seen somebody who is so dedicated to swindling as many people as possible.
Um, and I, I have all the confidence in the world that he's going to get caught and found
out at some point it's already happening.
It's honestly just a matter of time before that guy is off the fucking platform.
And if it takes a full year, if it takes till November from the first thread, fine, you
know, I, but if it takes an under a year, that'd be even better, but yeah, the dude is, is a
cancer and he needs to get the fuck out.
Yeah.
Uh, okay.
There's, there's our Mario take from hash.
There's a, and there's some threads, uh, and some information from, uh, hash on the account
to make sure you're following hash.
I know most of you are, but if you are not, uh, you must follow hash now.
Uh, that is, uh, my only, uh, suggestion.
So you can stay up to date with the information.
And even if you don't agree with hash, you have to follow hash because he's going to alert
you to something to consider, right?
You say, question everything.
It's one reason why you want to follow us.
You can at least question and see information.
Cause one of the other issues about this specific, uh, social media platform as Twitter is that
everyone has come to Twitter at different times.
They found NFT Twitter or crypto Twitter at different times.
So, you know, maybe someone's here from 2020, someone's here from 2021.
Maybe someone just got on two months ago.
You got no idea when you just see, you know, followers, 50,000.
Oh, that's so cool.
I must, they must know everything.
But oftentimes, and I've said this forever, this platform would be a hell of a lot better
if it didn't even show you the follower account, because you'd be more focused on what people
are putting out from a value creation standpoint, then the amount of numbers to make you think
psychologically, well, they must be smart.
Um, you know, one of the things I've said for a long time, remove follower account and
improve the platform, but I don't make the rules.
I just play by them.
Uh, nonetheless, uh, let's go to another name.
Cause we only got another 10 minutes.
Uh, we've gone for almost two hours here.
Uh, it's been amazing conversation that we, uh, are really just scratching the surface on
hash.
Let me throw out another name because, uh, you know, I'm feeling like it.
What do I, what do you say when I say Farouk?
Oh my God.
Oh man.
See, you're bringing out the greatest hits.
Honestly, um, Farouk, I cannot stand that little goblin motherfucker.
He is the epitome of everything I fucking hate in NFTs.
He is the embodiment of everything wrong with NFTs.
He's got a fucking space called rug radio.
And not just the space is a project.
Yeah.
And, but then he turns around and actually rug shit.
It's like, you know, hiding, hiding the answer in plain sight.
But, but you told them to be authentic like 20 minutes ago, he's being authentic, bro.
What are you hating on him for?
Honestly, that's true.
Like, that's a good point.
I mean, he is being true to himself.
Um, you know, he, he, God, there's so much I could say about Farouk.
The one thing I'll say is that he will do anything for anything.
He, there is not much that that motherfucker won't do for a price.
Um, I, that, if you think about somebody who has no integrity or moral compass or, um, you
know, somebody that can sleep at night, no matter what the fuck they do during the day,
that is Farouk, uh, I will never understand why people prop him up.
It's like Zagabon to me that it's another one where it's just, it's an anomaly.
There's so much there to just never hear from them again.
And yet they're two of the biggest people and, and empties.
I'll never understand it.
I'll just keep talking about it.
Yeah, no, that's, uh, that's understandable.
Um, I want to throw out a couple more names.
If someone has a name, they want to hear a thought on, you can put it in the,
uh, in the chat and we'll, we'll definitely share, uh, and, and get a thought on it.
We've got a little longer, more recently.
There's been a lot of talk.
There's been a time.
My timeline has been filled for the last few months with the red question mark.
If I say red question mark and I say the network, what do you think about the network
and a couple of the individuals that have created the network?
Yo, this is another great one.
Goddamn.
So shill and villain and bark meta, two of the biggest clowns that the space has ever seen.
They are worthless.
They offer nothing.
There's no innovation.
They are a clown show.
They don't even tweet for themselves.
They hire interns.
They are, uh, front run by Machi's fucking money.
He moved them out to fucking Thailand or Taiwan or wherever the fuck.
And he fucking bankrolled them.
And they created this whole little fucking grifter economy where everything is fucking
pretty.
They have brainwashed so many people.
And if you ask anybody with a red question mark in their username, like, Hey, why do
you like it here?
And they're like, well, because this is the group that questions everything and we don't
stand for any, nothing.
We don't stand for that.
And it's like, what did you say?
You're all these people do or it's people that are paid to be on Twitter spaces yelling
and creating drama so that you keep listening to their Twitter spaces.
And then you have people like fucking books who will defend them and say, Oh, well, they
haven't really grifted anything yet.
Bullfucking shit.
They have a token now and you jumped in on it so that you could grip.
My bad did not mean that, uh, the phone, maybe the phone is like a books friend or something.
I didn't mean that.
Let me, I was going to say books next.
Keep going.
Sorry.
No, that's, I was like, yo, they're hard to be doing.
They're listening.
You know, fuck the network, bro.
The network is everywhere, dude.
Oh, no, I, I like, I put my phone down on the bed for a second and it immediately, I
mean, maybe my phone is in collaboration with the network or something.
No, but I don't want to cut you off.
No, I mean, I'm trying to, no, no, no.
I'm hitting the greatest, I'm trying to hit the greatest hits and the name, because I
think it's important, uh, at least to touch on them.
And listen, uh, if anyone's here and you want to invite them in for a future conversation,
they're more than welcome.
Cause I want to hear from them.
We want to hear, uh, they need, they should answer the questions as well.
Uh, you know, about this stuff and that's, what's important.
But so, so, uh, anyone I didn't, you know, those are some of the major names that are
leading or at least, uh, what we consider leaders as far as followers, you know, popularity
currently going when you think about NFT Twitter, whether they're hosting their regular spaces,
their shows, uh, or whatnot, uh, anyone else you want to touch on when it comes to, to
names that I have not mentioned, uh, that you're thinking of or want to share.
I mean, I think like two that come to my mind, one is B right.
The, he, he is sort of the, the quintessential, he wrote the roadmap for roadmaps.
You know, the only reason the roadmap is a thing, um, is because of being.
And not only that, but he is one of the biggest investors in blur and people don't really know
that.
And it's, uh, you know, according to the founders of blur, that's not true.
Uh, I've seen the evidence that it is true.
Um, not only is he one of the biggest, he's not the only big investor in blur.
You know, there are a lot of people invested in blur that are specifically out here to make
as much money as possible.
They knew exactly what they were doing with that marketplace.
Um, but being, he is, he's on my Mount Rushmore of fuckheads and in the space because of just
how, just how much damage he's done long-term, uh, because of his actions.
Uh, the other, I would say is Ben Dottie, you know, he's kind of one of the other big ones right
now, him and BitBoy.
I hate BitBoy.
Uh, I got into a spat with him a while ago and he was on a Mario space.
And I said, dude, I, you know, I'm just worried about you.
It sounds like you're a little out of breath and, you know, he, he, he, he misconstrued.
I was honestly just worried about his health.
He thought it was a fat joke.
I honestly, it wasn't.
But then he got on his stupid fucking YouTube show the next day and said, you know what?
Somebody made a fat joke against me yesterday.
And let me tell you what, that is so 2021.
And I was like, bro, BitBoy, you are a fucking asshole.
Shut the fuck up.
I mean, he's one of the biggest fucking assholes out here.
And then, you know, him and Bit, Ben Dottie teamed up and now they hate each other.
I, it's a, it's a perfect prime example of like, fuck both of them.
Neither of you should be here.
Why are you two of the biggest names being talked about right now?
You both suck ass.
So yeah, I would say most, most of the big popular people,
Zagabond is another one I would bring up.
Just saying that he's rugged three projects before Izuki.
One of them, he pretended to be a woman on.
So, you know, but he's, oh, and then also he fumbled this fucking drop
and lost his holders fucking 50% of their value on both projects.
So he heavily diluted everybody.
And now the one thing that was propping him up is no longer really propping him up.
I'm really interested to see how that plays out because he needed the success of Izuki
to excuse, um, his history.
And that is starting to unravel.
So we'll see how that house of cards plays out.
Uh, but yeah, so here's, here's the thing guys.
We've now gone for close to two hours.
We're going to wrap up in just a few minutes here because this could go on for a while.
We value your time.
I value it.
I appreciate hash joining.
Uh, I've already talked to hash about doing this, uh, a part two.
I know this has gotten a little bit off.
Uh, I wouldn't say off the tracks because this is exactly what I was hoping, uh, that
we would, uh, have the conversation and invite everyone to participate in that conversation.
A little bit of learning, hopefully in the future earning, uh, and at the same time having
a real honest, uh, conversation about different, uh, you know, points in the, in the space and
we can continue to do this.
We did talk about that.
There would be a giveaway and that bastard, uh, is being given away.
So I want to take the couple of minutes here to figure out hash, do you want to decide
who gets it?
How do you want to do this?
Uh, before we wrap up and, uh, and, and so why don't we do this?
You can determine who should get that, uh, bastard.
Uh, and I'll leave that to you while we do this.
I want to say, uh, again, if you're not following hash, make sure you are, he's doing a lot of
the good work and keeping you up to date and informed, um, and question it.
Listen, uh, you know, I have no connection with hash outside of this conversation.
I've been a follower and, uh, we've chatted because I enjoy people that are questioning
everything and making the space a little bit more wholesome, uh, and at least making you
think about what these people calling themselves leaders, uh, and talking about stuff
really, uh, maybe need to at least know.
It's important to understand both sides of the story.
Uh, we've got one final, uh, guest.
I want to at least welcome Driz, who has put his hand up, uh, and then I'll finish up and
we'll get to see who wins.
Uh, Rippler in the building.
What's good?
Holy shit.
I feel like I'm in the twilight zone right now.
The Rippler is hosting a space.
Let's get it.
All right.
Thank you for stopping by Driz.
Did you have any question, uh, for Hash Bastard or were you just coming up here to, uh, to
give me a little Rippler?
Hash Bastard, bro.
I love the fud.
You know me.
I fud the shit out of anything that walks or talks, but keep up the good work, my man.
Hey, shout out Driz.
Let's see where you go.
All right.
All right.
Thank you, Driz.
Now Driz will go eat a churro and pass out.
Uh, that's a joke from, uh, real life with us.
Anyhow, uh, with that being said, uh, there has been nothing said in this conversation that
you should not follow up on.
If you heard something that you're interested in, you should research it, learn a little bit
more, question it, uh, question what I've said, question what anyone has said in, in
general curiosity and, uh, and asking questions will only leave you closer to the truth.
Uh, and that's what we need more of, right?
For this longterm to be successful, we need more people that are willing to do that.
And, uh, and then eventually, uh, the, the, the people that are doing good that are, you
know, here for the reasons of, of being true and not just money grabbing will overpower,
uh, the rest, but it will take time.
I appreciate everyone for their time.
I'm going to play us out when we wrap again, bro.
What you're ending this?
Drez, you don't show up to dinner.
Oh, bro.
I just got, I like, I'm like, I know, I know.
Listen, you don't, you know, you don't show up, you don't show up to the, you don't show
up to dinner two hours late and expect the food to still be getting served.
I want my, I want my dessert though.
All right.
Well, your desserts come in off of the space.
This has been conversations, especially on NFT conversations.
Hash, how do you feel, uh, about the giveaway?
Do you have someone we wanted to give it to?
How do you want to do it?
Yeah, dude.
All right.
So I went through the retweets.
I put everybody on a wheel.
All right.
You said, yeah, if you retweet your interest, I put everybody on a wheel.
And this motherfucker, this motherfucker that won.
All right.
It's to paint.
Okay.
Now let me shout out to paint.
It's hilarious that he won because he's a great one of one artists who is just doing
it the right fucking way.
All right.
I've already gotten a fucking merch pack from him and it's fucking amazing.
His art is also next to none.
So like what I've always said, one of my favorite artists in the fucking space, this dumb ass
to paint.
Okay.
But then now he's just like, he's doing everything the right way.
All right.
Well, so, so congratulations to paint.
I've also just given an, that's an immediate follow from me.
Uh, I want to pay.
I want to, uh, I want to see more drop coming, bro.
I want to see more of the art to paint to paint.
Uh, you know, listen, I'm not an artist myself, uh, at least from the art that's drawn.
My art is in communications.
I like to talk to people.
I like to learn.
That's how we earn.
We can do this continuously.
I appreciate again, everyone joining us mostly hash for taking the time.
Usually these are one hour.
This has been two hours.
We're going to do a part two.
It'll be completely similar.
And then it will, and then it will be different.
And at the same time, listen, some of these projects that ultimately fail, they're trying
to do good, but a lot of the projects are not even trying to do good.
So just make a note of that.
There's nothing wrong with people trying to do the right thing.
And with that, we're going to play out with my new favorite chart topper.
Uh, one love to all stay well.
We'll catch you on the next conversation.
Thanks again.
One chart, Tom.
Big love, bro.
That's me.
Forty million dollars down the drain.
Tell me when.
All the youthy dance.
I'm gonna learn.
Stop playing this game.
What did you expect
From the guy that made fun
Something new and innovative
They got recycled trains
And some green beans
An anime trailer party
In Los Angeles
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That's so noisy
The erected name
So many of these projects
Will be done
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Could go a long way
But you know
How to spend it
If elementals are
Any indication
It'll be set on fire
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