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Recorded: Aug. 10, 2025 Duration: 2:55:21Space Recording
Short Summary
The crypto community is buzzing with excitement as NFT collections gear up for significant partnerships and potential token launches, signaling a growth phase in the market. With Animoca's investment in Cool Cats and Zuki's upcoming collaboration, the landscape is ripe for innovation and increased adoption.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. ah i think that solved it whatever you did you hit the reset button or whatever loki you made
it right because mine was showing me that i was a listener. It showed me I had a mic and I could speak.
And it showed me I was requesting all at the same damn time.
I don't know what's going on.
But I do know we're getting ready to talk about some juicy green candle NFT collections, baby, baby.
So like and repost this, get your people in here and let them hear it straight from the horse's mouth while we chill out and listen to a little something from the multi Grammy Platinum, whatever those things are that the accomplishments that he made.
Artist Justin Bieber, one of his new ones.
Hey, it's just a chill vibe, but we are definitely going up.
Listen to the track Tell me, I can't help you get a move on Like you're hard when I know
You like to go slow
Move to go faster
Can't bring the pleasure
Slash it, slash it
You know what that means
I can run your ball more quickly
I bring nice things
Slash it, slash it You're the man trying to get me in the bed quickly
if i didn't love you I thought you were aint sure to run But you're aint sure to turn around I know you're a you and I'm telling you what you want
You're going with your time to get someone
I can tell your friends
You don't want to
You need to go slow
Go fast
I know the bad story
Slice it, slice it You know what I'm getting Oh nice
what would i do without you baby that's right that's right you know macaveli's in the place to be uh before we get
started i want to send a special shout out to the birthday boy on the stage co-hosting
he's an eight he's a he's an idiot he's just he's an all-around good guy i'm just kidding
she but you know we love you man we wouldn't be here without you sheba king and uh welcome to the space thank you
macaveli for the duet with uh justin bieber you sound way better than him i don't know
but yeah happy birthday sheba what do you um how you feeling man how what are you like 19 again or
something yeah first of all leave justin bie alone. He's traumatized his whole childhood the poor kids going fucking through it
Second I'm again 21. Yeah, let's go. There you go. There you go
Rose Rose celebrating the 19th anniversary of his 21st birthday. There you go. How you doing today Loki?
How you feeling man? Hopefully you back at a hundred percent strength
Like I know you had a hundred percent posting strength, but hopefully you at 100% in real life strength.
How you doing, bro?
Hey, guys.
Such a pleasure today to have you here
from the very first minute.
I was happier.
I was happier until you decided to play that song.
And then we have the birthday boy here.
Why today he decided to wrap a board ape?
Are you fucking with me?
I don't know, right?
It has a birthday hat on.
I told you I was thinking about getting a big pudgy,
but I decided just to buy pangu with it and do that boat first.
I didn't know you were August birthday, Sheba.
I'm also, I'm the 19th.
Yeah, we're Leos. I knew that right away
when the first day I met you. I think we went through this
already. There's a handful of us that are Leos
and you can clearly
tell which ones are Leos.
Shout out to you. Early happy birthday
to you. Absolute legends.
If you don't look around, we're surrounded by
Web3 people. Send me your
wallet so that I can hook you up.
We've all the options, bro.
We've all the options.
GVC, Pudgy, the birds.
You're going to be an ape.
I'm surrounded.
I'm surrounded.
But anyway, guys.
It's for the stage.
It's for the platform.
Remember that.
Your numbers are up because of the diversification.
Anyway, guys.
So many things to talk today.
So many topics.
Probably this phase is going to run for six hours.
But I want to start with, I mean, let's invite more people on stage.
So, guys, don't be shy.
Click the request button.
And then, depending who's coming, we will start with I mean we got we got
really so many topics so let's see what's showing up first and we will start so we get we got what
we got a Zuki August they they are planning to announce a huge big collaboration on next Sunday, actually, on 17.
Then we got CloneX doing some sort of CloneX strategy reserve.
I don't know what's going on there, but everything is going up, so it's pretty crazy.
Then we got Nakamigos, of course, like the talk of the day.
I think people just posted saying, you guys are a little a little bit if you believe this wasn't a troll
so nakamigo is like now i think it's averaging 0.24 uh with a top of 0.45 was something like that
um and then what else there was another oh yeah uh animoca investing in cool cats so cool cats
There was another.
Oh, yeah.
Animuoka invested in Cool Cats.
So Cool Cats went up as well.
So pretty much everything up.
Adam also bought 5,000 deeds from Yuga.
Oh, yeah.
That was this week or last week.
No, this was this last Monday.
Man, I feel like it was like two years ago.
Yo, you should see his new Mega Koda collection.
He's got 10 Megas. Yo, Loki, me and the boys Koda collection He's got 10 megas
Yo, Loki, me and the boys crashed the other side yesterday
Swamp by the games that we're hosting
We had over 200 bubbles at one time, bro
It was fucking wild
200 bubbles?
Bubbles is where I've been trying to take you, Loki
No, no, I've been in a bubble
So 200 people in a bubble.
So 200 people inside a bubble or 200? No, no, no.
Yeah, we had 250 people in one bubble at one time,
but we had over 200 bubbles pop up at one time,
and we pressure tested and we stress tested the world.
And listen, the team had us back in Worlds
like in like five to seven minutes, bro,
and we continued the games.
Like, it was
phenomenal like they had our back like no other bro it was it was amazing yesterday uh just to
be able to like get that many people in there participating active like opening bubbles like
it was really an amazing event man awesome awesome yeah i can can't wait to see the other side fully functional. Like, personally, I've tried to play the Blitz one, but it's lagging as hell, so I wasn't able to play.
Adam is number one collector.
We cannot even call Adam a collector.
Adam is
an institution.
It's part of the NFT institutional
cycle we were talking about every
fucking day.
Adam is the way of the micro-strategy.
Adam is NFT god.
Where is everybody,
guys? I want to see some
Nakamigos coming here.
You should have seen them talking
shit yesterday. Like, they
had finally found Jesus
and everything was okay. And I'm like,
if y'all don't realize that that
is a troll, if y'all...
I'm not listening to not one of you motherfuckers.
I'm still not buying one of these things.
There's no way that's real. And it sure
as hell was a troll.
I think Kiro.
What Kiro got is a Nakamigo that a knock amigo bro i'm in the shower it's a version one kuga amigo or version zero
yeah i knew it was a something i knew it was a something go
uh the showered spaces is later but uh but yeah i mean can he get sued for that? Isn't that like illegal? Isn't like
when people did like completely illegal?
You can lie to people and nobody can do shit about it.
Like,
they're going to be, oh my god, he just
lied to us about being the founder of
a shitty project. Oh my god. I'm just kidding.
It's not a shitty project. I'm not even talking to you about that.
No, I'll never say that.
Listen, I love that community. I think that that they're based but i didn't believe that yeah i mean i like the knock amigos
too as a community i never buy one but it could it could have been real like honest i still wasn't
gonna buy one but good for them for a second there but yeah i'm not gonna do it i'd rather
buy crypto punk sell everything buy a crypto punk and just sit on just a singular crypto punk for
the next 10 years crypto punks you're going to four milli like one milli is too low crypto punks sell everything by a crypto punk and just sit on just a singular crypto punk for the next 10 years crypto punks you're going to four milli like one milli is too low crypto punks you're
going to four milli five milli bro just watch we know you got a bag of them too bro from from
back in the day so shit keep them pumping yo mcabelli chin sanity we see you down there
chin sanity's bringing the green candles with his Hulk green color behind him.
How you doing today, good sir?
Avengers!
Assemble.
So you know when Loki starts crying, he told your ass about that goddamn song.
And I'm going to unmute you one more time, bro.
You do that again, Loki's probably going to bounce you.
He's going to bounce me for not bouncing you.
So I had to get you.
Let's go.
That's all you got.
Yeah, that's all.
Yeah. That's his intro.
Yeah, it's really fucked up
I see
yeah
hello
Loki
I'm here
no hey
thanks for having me
thanks for muting me
as per usual
I tried doing that
when I had the power
last time Loki
when you came up
to one of our
Pengu Asia spaces
but no
it's always fun in games
hey fun fact he wasn't
me he was Alpha
sure
if he would have
just gave me one crying emoji I'd have
let you ride on that motherfucker but when he came
with the two I said oh my job is
in jeopardy he hit me with the shut him
the F up text message and I said
oh shit I gotta break the phone.
You know, Alpha, one day
I'm doing well. One thing,
you know, one day Loki's gonna
become an Avenger. I don't know which
universe he was in Avenger already, but he's
gonna be an Avenger. You'll see one day. And also,
guys, I'm in Asia right now.
I don't know if I wanna dox Loki's location, but
he's in Asia too, and I'm gonna
meet him. That's one of my missions being in Asia right now is meeting Loki in real life.
I know he doesn't want this, but I'm going to find him.
We're going to meet.
And I'm going to live stream it too.
You're going to find him.
It's very, very, very close to stalker in America.
I don't know how it goes over there.
Just make sure you're on public sidewalk and you're videotaping that in a public place and you should be okay actually he gave me two consecutive uh cry emojis back to back i
started to mute you again bro sorry about that no just kidding so how's everybody feeling man
green candles across the board everybody's getting in we got big news is dropping like
loki said with the knock amigos we heard what Machiavelli feels about that.
Chinsani, what do you think about it, bro?
Yeah, you know, the funny thing is people probably don't know this because this is when I wasn't really active on X.
But actually my first ever NFT or even PFP was a Nakamigos.
I had one with a black cap, a backwards cap, which is kind of funny because I have one with my pudgy.
And it was a pink shirt. That was actually my PFP. And how I actually got like followers in the beginning was
because of the Nagomigas community. So it always has like a special, obviously I don't have anymore,
but it always has a special place in my heart. I may or may not have flipped it for this little
pudgy. Why obviously you don't have anymore? Because, you know, it for this little pudgy Why obviously you don't have any more?
Because I saw this little pudgy
This is during the deep, deep bear market
I saw this little pudgy
I was like, yo, I gotta be part of this community
So then, yes, guys, I'm sorry
I'm not sorry, but I did
I did sell it for little pudgy
Dude, it's good to see Nagamigo
doing something because back in the day people would always create have artwork with nagamiko somewhere in the artwork
you guys remember that and then everyone would be finding it and then posting it and they'd be like
oh it's yuga time or oh it's people's project so it's uh you know this is this is when you know
the vibes are back right we have stuff like that's this going on. Yeah, good point, Insanity, good point.
The vibes are back.
I mean,
I think, yeah, people just
posted, so
I mean, we will never
know. That's the beauty of it.
Look, he clearly pumped his own back.
The 2NAC Amigos are fun.
But the
NAC Amigos are joining so I was
earlier on a
space of a rock space
hey bro what's up you just woke up
no I've been
I went to bed at 5
take a little nap but yeah man no there's
some really deep lore about Naka Amigos but you gotta
be around to even like catch the shit
and people just telling
you guys who's behind the project, basically.
But in a trolling fashion, you know that.
Do you guys remember when Tink ATF was pushing around and all that stuff?
They always posted the wanted posters from Yuga, right?
That's when Yuga took the acquisition.
You know, Beeple was one of the, he wasn't advisor.
He was partnered in Tink ATF.
And they were posting about not comigos then there's like i said there's just a lot of things with not comigos
that cats have no idea about but i like to see this i like to see people mad and fud and say
all this crazy shit you guys got to understand these are these are very wealthy men they're not
just going to troll like this for nothing but they make it fun for you, right? That's what I said. It's the weirdest project in the entire space for oh
So so guys I pin the the latest spots from people
It just passed the big if true so so you are saying that you think
They are trolling the they're like double trolling
Mm-hmm. Yeah, 100% but this is what people does
This is it's like a little boy who cried wolf.
Right, Rug?
You know what I mean?
To a certain extent.
Here's the thing is, we got 97 Nakamigos featured in Every Days.
And we're not the rule.
There's a rule and there's an exception, right?
And now the rule is that Beeple includes the different PFP projects and is thinking little forms of stickers.
But it started with the prey piece with knock amigos.
And then the next day he made the Trump pleading not guilty to pumping knock amigos.
And over the last two years, we've seen, again, a hundred knock amigos featured in the everydays you had people walk out to one of his parties um and on the screen on his computer was the knock
amigos um home page on open c you had people post knock amigos in japanese with a bunch of emojis
in the middle of the night and delete it um there's just and as rug mentioned the 10k tf thing
then you have this thing at the crypto punks party um is it a troll is it real and here's
my question to you does it matter think about every any nft project in this space how many millions
would they pay for the publicity that we just got last night for free for fun from someone who
because he just genuinely loves knock amigos i sat sat there next to Snowfro and Jack Butcher and all these other legends in the space, Red Beard.
And they all love knock amigos, too.
So I guess my only question for you guys is, why are you more bullish on knock amigos?
I know.
They scared, bro.
I need to get a bag of them.
Yeah.
And listen, this is the thing also, man.
If you guys can go back and play some of Richard from Manifold, right, the co-founder,
you can go play some of his old interviews, bro.
And he says, somebody asked him, what's the most undervalued project in the crypto space
or NFT space?
And he says, knock amigos.
He says, that's all I can say.
Like I said, man, you have to be around the project to actually understand it.
But it's so decentralized for people because there's nobody there in front of your face
tweeting for you and in your face like, oh, hey, guys, we're going to do this for you.
People aren't used to this type of narrative, right, or this type of way that they run their
project. And that's why I say, like, if you pay attention, you'll see that people's involved,
Richard's involved. But we don't we don't like to just say that.
We love to troll you guys too,
because all everybody does is whine, bro,
about everything in the space.
And everything's a problem,
because if it's not about them being able to capture the bag right early,
then it's a problem.
But yeah, man, just keep watching, guys.
You guys are going to see some more weird shit.
Remember Mike Novogratz put on the PFP too?
It's an activation.
But just keep watching.
You'll see.
Yeah, guys, I absolutely love this event,
these things that are happening with people.
I mean, at the end of the day,
you don't really want anybody to expose themselves
as a fund or whatever. So I see Nagamigos consolidating as a very native
pixel art crypto G collection.
And it's here to stay.
So the community is amazing.
You guys are always loud on the timeline.
And we're seeing this pretty much today, yesterday.
So, yeah, nothing more to say.
Wait, wait, Loki.
Listen, this just came through.
Lawsuit filed against people for market manipulation and securities fraud
filed after he no longer spread misinformation to pump and dump.
He goes as the event last.
And if you look at the, like at first,
I thought the guy was serious.
If you look at the filing,
it's like the days,
it's 20,
it's 2022.
So like,
this is just someone again,
who's like a fan of,
of the performance art.
Like if you had to,
you've got to appreciate
what he's doing here.
Like he's not just a digital artist.
He's not just a physical artist.
He's mastermind of, of what He's a mastermind of what we do
and what we love here in crypto. So if you haven't, make sure you're following people,
give them some love, give them some appreciation. If you haven't had the opportunity, you got to
get out to one of his events. They are phenomenal. It's really a great time. There's live art.
There's music. The studio is great um the food and drinks are free
um he just does a really really great job of catering to our community so whether you're a
punk or a knock amigo or um you know a pudgy penguin get out there and um and show some love
to to scott and mike and all the stuff that they're building for the studio because it's pretty amazing
what if we woke up tomorrow and found out that Big Rug and Beeple are co-founders
of Knock Amigos?
Well, you should have told us
the Alpha then. We can just yell at them.
I was going to say, they've got to be cooking, right?
I feel like in three years, all these projects kind of wait to activate
things. Of course, somebody's going to love
a project. It's very similar to Moonbirds. Everybody laughed
in my face when I was like, I'm telling you something's coming
and then things happen.
I hope they execute something for Nakamigos.
That community gets a lot of shit for no reason.
I'm pretty much, I even gave them shit before super, super early.
And then I got to meet them and they're really cool people.
So I hope it does pan out for them.
Maybe they actually do something with it in the future and people's involved.
So bull markets around the corner.
You can't fit anything anybody's doing anymore.
Any of these blue chips, any projects with communities and founders that are actually
active and around, not just pretending to build in the back and actually have people that die hard for their project.
You know, it's definitely going to pull.
All I just heard was that.
So now I will reconsider buying a knock amigo.
I probably should get.
That's hilarious.
Proof.
Let's go.
On the dip.
On the dip.
Not financial advice.
Please don't leave this room being like, ah, Loki and Sheba.
Proof.
And everybody said to go buy Malcolm Egos.
But now everybody should definitely endeavor in some of these projects that are making noise in the timeline.
Because we saw the last seven days, as Loki said,
volumes up across the board.
A lot of projects are finally starting to move.
Even board apes held their floor after 24 hours of moving.
That was dope.
So we'll see.
Yes?
I haven't heard Michael Gomescar singing yet.
I saw a hand come up look like
loki's hand came up so to you loki yeah guys so let's uh let's change topics since we have
a lot of apes here so i'm reading uh i'm a coda from garga saying i get that 1 million feels like a clean number.
It's talking about CryptoPunk's targets, floor price targets.
Threadify is a sideline on NFTs.
Bunkers are funding treasuries.
And the IP is in a foundation funded by a billionaire.
The cabal really needs to agree on a bigger number before this becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy 4 million
in my opinion he says
also funny to read all the crypto punks comments today coping on the nakamigo situation
yeah when he said cabal he directly addressed you so but we're gonna make sure that that stays a
nine i'm sorry y'all this is a recorded space go back and delete that but yeah i saw a bunch of red
you know some people bought just because of that and you know thinking number go up and then they
went back and sold when they found out but just listening to uh big rug and the other brother
just a minute ago it's's obvious that community is strong.
And that's the basis of a good collection, just to have a community.
So, you know, I'm even considering to get another Nakamigo.
But what do you think, Drew?
Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead, Loki.
Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead, Loki.
No, no, no. So the thing is, like, you read a lot of bearish statements on NFTs that are coming from the wrong people.
But then the people that are involved with NFTs, builders, collectors, artists, or the people that are directly connected with these billionaires, with this new elite that is joining the Ethereum
ecosystem, they are telling you, both Garga and Lucanet, for example, they are telling
you that big money is coming to buy JPEGs for various reasons.
So I think the targets really, as you say, they need to be reconsidered.
I mean, like, this collection really, like, scars.
It's just a matter of a few billionaires coming and sweeping to make everything going crazy.
Shiba.
Yeah, if we went over this a few months ago,
I would have gave some realistic targets
where we were like, you know,
Ethereum maybe will be at 7K, right?
And maybe Apes can be 30 ETH, maybe 50 ETH.
Those are reasonable targets.
You know, probably 50 ETH is a reasonable target
with ETH at like 7, 8K.
So I think now with a lot of the things
that we heard in the last 60 days by the US
government, a lot more noise around ETH and ETH NFTs, we could see people come to ETH NFTs because
of how much ETH is performing. And if a lot of our favorite blue chips and some of the best
brands are on ETH, which we've talked about this in the past, especially when the ordinal craze
is going out, because no tea to the ordinal people they gave me to the end of time when ordinals were through the roof and
if these were dead and i'm like you guys will have your time when you guys are dead in the
ground and then the first revival to nfts will be eath and it's happening so i can definitely see
some of those people coming over here loki and and you're right all it takes is five people with
a lot of money to come in here and start doing sweeps like we do like an
average of five ten of us we go in and buy five or ten blue chips they'll come in with 50 and
before you know it floors are two to six east and in seven days there's not much supply there it
will get eaten up it depends by who and when yeah man there's insane daily volume on constant daily volume on punks i mean it's uh it's being proven it's going to be
the s the nft asset of the cycle and i think like we really don't know what's going but i agree i
fully agree with you she but like four months ago we were dead there was no narrative for ethereum
but now guys like what's happening in the boomer world in Wall Street, you are seeing
Ethereum being mentioned every fucking day.
Like Mike Quant, that is a macro equities guy, never mentioned crypto in three years.
I'm watching his video and stuff every day.
It's hard to talk about Ethereum because of what's happening in Wall Street. So the natural evolution of this,
both for social dynamics and just like people getting to reach
or Ethereum going to the moon, as Tom Lee is saying,
they're already starting to call crazy targets
like Ethereum flipping, Bitcoin, this kind of stuff.
So I feel like it's really inevitable
that then it's not going to be just stablecoin,
it's going to be NFTs. And actually, Luke and I talk about that even if it's going to be just
stablecoin, NFTs will unlock stablecoins, APY returns, and borrow andaning. So there are some stuff there that have been built that can be used thanks to NFTs.
As soon as people discover this, it's going to get crazy.
That's one thing I always say.
Drew.
Oh, sorry.
No, no, go to Drew.
I saw his hand.
You sure?
Yeah, GM, friends.
It's still a little early for NFT season, but we're getting close to that point in the cycle.
This is around, I believe around when Mutants popped off last cycle.
So it's getting fun.
I'm excited to see some of these first cycler shitcoiners on salami get more into uh identities with non-fungible tokens
yep certainly so it looks like you popped your hand back up is that just that i'm
rugging or did you you accidentally mute yourself no my hand's always up that That's just what I do. Okay, okay. And I want to say something. You can ignore me.
I'll offer you when I want.
Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
And so to Loki's point, volume, price action, and mind share definitely makes the institutions look and start to say something's going on over there.
If you look at the mind share aspect, every other day or every day for the last however long it's been, there's been something
referring to digital asset class on the front page of Google. If it's not the main story,
it's the next story in line. And so definitely Mindshare has been captured. And when you talk
about the millions and millions and billions of dollars that's flowing through digital assets,
cryptocurrency, NFTs, and what have you, then that formula right there
demands those institutions to come look. So that equates to what Loki said, the boomer wars,
whatever the hell he referred to. But I saw something. I'm going to say this and I'm going
to stop, Loki. I saw a job opening. You may can speak too. I saw a job opening for LukaNets
about 45 minutes ago, some guy named Bo Hines or something like that.
You know something about that, Loki?
Yeah, so it was yesterday.
Apparently, there was a news, I forgot his name, Bo Hines.
Yeah, so he resigned as director of digital assets.
Yeah, so he resigned as a director of digital assets.
And we know the Pudgy team is officially government advisor.
So I was just like ship posting.
But who's better than Luca?
They already have the ties.
So imagine what happens if we're getting Luca in the government
plus the NFT ETFs or Pengu ETFs.
I mean, guys, but it's point to connect with what we're saying.
His point is that a lot of new money is coming for stablecoin
that money has to be parked somewhere
and they will go for the better return or opportunities
and NFTs are some of that.
Excellent point.
Excellent point.
McRvely, you got β I don't know why I keep looking at Drew.
Cairo, let's jump over to you with the Cairo β the Cairo Migo.
Jesus Christ.
I'm sorry.
Oh, I'm sorry, bro. I didn't know you were still in the shower
we'll go to macavela jesus no i'm just kidding bro i just wanted to say i was ground zero when
nakamigo started uh printing last night um there's a lure i i'm a cmo cm of a of a indie game studio
you know the name.
And they minted the same week we minted.
We have this rivalry.
I've had this PFP edited for two years.
It's a joke.
But you need an aspirational op.
You need to have someone that you say, you know, I want to be their floor and higher and my my collection went up 309.5% yesterday
And then that was at a like lunchtime in the US and then at night at dinnertime
Nakamigos printed I was like fuck I can't have anything nice they're back after two years
You can't make this up. It's just the lure. So I just want to say congratulations
I just followed Dabber and I just followed a big rug. I work in Alaska from time to time
I'll hit you up
Man brought back so many memories senior doodles cup at McDonald's in Alaska. I wanted to say that
Congratulations, I'm glad this space is recorded. I am so bullish on, you know, 4D marketing. You said it. Companies would pay millions to have this mind share. And at that hour post of the post, an hour after the post, 1,500 Nakamigos had been bought and rotated so congratulations to you.
I never thought I'd say congratulations Nakamigos you are my mortal enemy in my mind
but I'm here to see what you have updated with your cloaks game because I'm a big gamer I'll be at
Tokyo next month for Tokyo Game Show so let's let's play let's fuck around and um i'm i'm gonna
rock this uh version zero kuga migo for the next month let's fuck around and find out my only
question i have for you is are they living rent free are they paying rent in your mind that's
the only question i have bro i bought another knock amigos last night that they're they're
i'm paying them imagine moving someone in and saying, I'm going to pay you 0.3 ETH to move in with me.
I mean, I'm a, what do you call that? Yeah, I'm that. I'm a trick.
Ta-da! There you have it. To you, Loki.
Yeah, we are out of smart speakers on stage, guys.
We may shut down the whole thing.
So don't be shy, guys.
We have listeners.
Click the button if you got something smart to say.
We still have stuff to talk about to cover.
We haven't talked about CloneX.
We haven't talked about Animoka investing in cool cats both
up uh what else mooncats went up uh went up big last week as well basically everything related to
to crypto punk so crypto punk really consolidating as the nft aspect of the cycle uh me beats as well
going already went up probably uh okay financial advice probably a good buy
opportunity because it just it just deep a little bit i still have to buy some but yeah shiba
uh does it mean or does it feel like that crypto punks will always be very similar to how we
project the cycles of bitcoin and the rest of the market so bitcoin
eth meme coins nfts maybe and then in this case when nfts goes it's crypto punks
apes and pudgies and then azuki's and it trickles down to everything else there are a handful of
projects that may grab the liquid before some other blue chips just for some reason maybe there
are wells that are waiting on the side but if you're looking to get in an nft from the outside
you never touched an nft and you're, man, I just want to go in.
It would make sense to buy a CryptoPunk, even though it is up 15 percent or whatever the fuck it is from the 30 days.
To me, it still is concluded as like the golden asset in NFTs, one that will not only retain its value the most, especially in a bear market, but will do extremely well first in a bull market.
Can we just that you can just feel like that's the case? I think we can agree on that. And if you look down in
the audience and you see Jeff Bozo down there and you look at his crypto punk, it just reinforces
the thought that crypto punks are free right now. These guys are free. At 200K, whatever it is,
they're free. And that's not financial advice. I only take financial advice from Loki, but
that's not financial advice, but definitely crypto punks feel like they're free, and that's not financial advice. I only take financial advice from Loki, but that's not financial advice,
but definitely CryptoPunks feel like they free.
Well, I'm going to retake a mortgage out on my house,
and then I'm going to take a second mortgage out against that mortgage,
and I'm going to buy three CryptoPunks,
and then I'm going to be a 10-figure millionaire in the next 180 days.
Watch.
Just do it.
Just borrow a billion, borrow a billion on that billion,
and then borrow a billion on the other billion
from the other billion. So now you can borrow up to
17 billion.
Then I'll beat Jeff Bozos himself.
And then just write it off.
Then just write it off, yeah. Or just hold it.
Yeah, then watch it
with an NFT from one pocket
to the other. Explain to your wife
why you can't afford anything
for the next five years because of the cycle yeah that's the um hey honey remember that money that i
told you we was uh yeah that right there saw palmer come up palmer uh welcome to the stage my friend
high five
or while palmer connects proof of alpha i just wanted to tag one one observation i made it's
been four years right since eth has passed 4k and we're kind of like speed running this
cycle um if you noticed last night the trenches ed the lowered. There was a liquidation across all tickers as people poured into the Nakamigos.
This is the first signal I've seen of an NFT bull cycle.
Yes, we've been seeing pumps across the board.
Shout out to other side.
But these are more positions that have been strategized.
Last night was the first time I saw fomo for an nft in years
and i was here i was like i'm gonna participate fuck it i'm ready and i haven't felt that i haven't
felt something like this in years so pay attention um my pp is is you know it's twitching you know the lola belt is getting warm
for nfts how many did you get bro you said my pp i thought you was talking about my profile picture
he's talking about his real pp i hope i hope loki just wiped you no i'm just kidding um yeah but
that was funny kairo i saw you come to the stage. I have a counter argument to what Kiro just said.
So I think Nakamigos was like 0.18 when the Bipole event occurred.
And he pumped to 0.45, 0.42.
I mean, this is a hype and run for ants.
We were used to way bigger stuff.
For instance, we had just CryptoF fish mint, I think, this week. So now I think it's 0.25, but it ran up to 0.4. I think we still have
low liquidity in the NFT market. And that's why I mean, my point is that this cycle,
we are not going to get really to see crazy prices
for the miner collection, for the new mints.
They didn't do anything innovative or different
because the real liquidity,
the one that can push price to 100 ETH,
it's in the end of the billionaire, it's in the end of the institution.
And these guys, they're going to the safe assets.
So as Shiba say, CryptoPunks are our Bitcoin.
So yes, they will go there.
Then we have to see the collector that they will be able to sell some of these Crypto pangs where they will put their liquidity.
So, I mean, yes, we will see a flowing liquidity to minor collection to other
established IP. I mean, it's going to really like it takes one pang to do plus
50% sweep on a dookie or doodle. it's really it doesn't take much
big road yo shout out to loki man i appreciate you having me in the space bro um so listen guys man
go and put a second mortgage out go and you know sell your car so sell your mama if you need to sell yourself that about I'm sad about Nakamigos not belonging to people.
Yeah.
Go buy some Migos because they just told you guys last night that we are the original CryptoPunks.
So now we're the father of CryptoPunks.
We birthed you guys.
So go sell those, man.
You don't need them anymore, okay?
But yeah, look, you should talk about something else because we don't want people upset that we just took over the whole entire space, bro.
So just let's talk about something else so we're gonna change the name from knock amigos to
daddy migos because you're daddy yeah hey palmer i saw your hand fly up come on in where you got
high five bro hey what's up everybody happy sunday happy sunday praising god praising life praising
humanity people coming together and talking about technology
talking about life hopefully having a coffee drinking a glass of water looking at the moon
looking at the sun but uh appreciate appreciate uh all of this knock amigos amigos uh guys
we're expanding we're expanding the entry point for these bankers to get involved
in nfts i feel bad a lot of the bankers are priced out of punks and they're priced out of
eight we need more nfts that are valuable that are seen as worthy i'm a big fan of the art blocks
500 check it out if you don't know you're gonna know and uh it's like a 50 floor or two but that's
enough of that but uh like we need the entry points for people to get involved in legacy pre-2025 NFTs.
Because everything's moving on chain.
Everything's moving mainly on EVM, all these stable coins.
And yeah, if we want a different topic, you guys know what would get me started.
Check out what happened to maxi.eth.
Seriously speaking, I like teaching about before people get involved in crypto.
I've been teaching people for a long, long time.
Well, you know, full time since 2017.
And I like teaching people about the security and the privacy first, right?
Because people, they think it's private.
It's not private. It's pseudo-anominus, right? They people, they think it's private. It's not private. It's pseudo
anonymous, right? They don't really understand the security. I want everyone to check out this tweet
from maxi.eth and really look at this photo, right? Really look at this photo because in this
photo, these addresses, I want you to look at the address column. And in the address column, how many digits are there?
There's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine.
Nine digits in.
You know how when you look at address and you verify an address in crypto?
You're just looking at the last four or five.
Six?
How many addresses do you look at?
Just four or five, right?
And these people that are address poisoning us,
they're going one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,
eight characters deep after the zero X.
And Maxie.e, everybody, it's not just him.
Everybody's getting address poison.
Look what they did.
They dropped the address in there,
and it looks just like your address.
It's not your address, and they're hoping you're going to copy and paste it.
It's super crazy.
Everybody knows it's crazy.
That's why you have people using ENS, the .eth, and your .com can be an ENS.
If people hate the .eth, your .com works in Metamask.
Your .com works in Phantom Wallet.
Your .club, your .io, it works everywhere.
And if you do have your .eth, right?
That's like GoDaddy.
If you log in to GoDaddy.
How many people here know that if you log in to GoDaddy, you can add your 0x address?
Did you know that?
Raise your hand if you didn't know that.
I would have been much better, more better, M-O-A-R.
So crazy.
And then what's crazy is that PayPal, you guys know what PayPal and Venmo did?
I mean, the CEO has a .eth name.
And if you go to PayPal or Venmo, you can send Solana or you send a PYUSD to Solana or Ethereum on chain.
You could take money out of the legacy system, get your money the hell out of the legacy system
in on chain, into the on chain. And PayPal is letting you get your money on chain. They don't
care if it's Solana, they don't care if it's Solana
They don't care if it's Ethereum
But if you want to send it on chain
You just have your Solana address and your Ethereum address
Listed in your .eth
Because GoDaddy integrated ENS
PayPal integrated ENS
Google's integrating ENS
Even more
And there's a whole lot we can...
Listen, I'm not here to talk about people getting rich and people flipping names.
I'm a little bit of a domainer myself, but what I'm most interested in is you securing your personal name that's not connected to your crypto history go go get a new address fund it with a new uh exchange and uh secure your family surname your your your first names your
last names your brain if you have a business or a pseudonym you should secure that before the
flipper tries extorting you because there's a lot of like you know people, people doing low hanging fruit and, you know, and I don't, I listen, if you have apple.eth or if you have, you know, some generic name, that's cool. You know, go,
go be commercial, go make money, go do the hustle. We have to have a free market,
but I don't like the extortion, right? I, it's like, if some, if somebody has like
shibaking.eth, it's like, bro, it's like, justaking.eth it's like bro it's like just give
that to you you didn't get so much more clout just like you know having somebody say thank you
you know what i mean uh i don't know if shibaking has has has a shibaking.eth but
but this is the way the world there's a lot happening uh i have so many tweets i could
share but jp morgan is teaching bankers about ns and visa teaching bankers out
ns and all these web2 companies you know are provably teaching people about dot eef
that's the word crypto wallet did he wrote in the back end of go daddy it's so mind-blowing
go go log into your GoDaddy account,
and then you can...
Because of, like, I don't want to say me,
but because of the ENS crew,
GoDaddy used to charge $30 for DNSSEC,
which is like a type of DNS security.
And because of the partnership with ENS Labs,
they made it free for five domains.
So you log... And it also works on Namecheap, but most people have GoDaddy.
If you log into GoDaddy, go to your domain name, go to where it says DNSSEC.
I might be skipping a step, but you can figure it out.
Go to the DNSSEC, turn that on, and then it's going to say Crypto Wallet.
You're going to click on the tab that says crypto wallet
and then paste your 0x address and now if this is what you want your your your dot-com works
in phantom your dot-com works and i just so like once i saw that maxi.eth was
able to protect himself i it just lit a fire underneath me because i i mean people don't
realize how deep these uh these uh what do they call them address poisoners are does he own nfts
alpha yeah i thought i was rugged control yeah i thought i was rugged let's uh let's do this
let's reset the room just for a second we will will go back because this is all things NFTs.
And we do this every Sunday around this time, give or take an hour or so, depending on where you're at in the world.
But we definitely want to make sure everybody pays respect and pays homage to the host by liking and reposting the space.
And then go up to the host, that yellow, funny looking bird with the boomerang on his head and like and follow him
uh well you don't have to like him but follow him and turn on notifications because if you don't
have notifications on and you just not following this room then you don't even know when this room
is going to be hell you know when this space is going to be hell so go down to the purple pill
bottom right corner push that like and repost the space get Get more people in here. Let them hear it. This is a NFT space and this is what we'd like to do.
We are the nerds and the techno savvy guys.
That's what we're here for.
Come on out.
Have some fun.
And we got Shiba King co-hosting.
And where in the world do you got Shiba King co-hosting?
So happy birthday again to Shiba King and back over to you, Loki.
birthday again to shiva king and back over to you loki
i'll piggyback the ens discussion um yeah i mean when it comes to zero x addies i've generated 1.2
billion in the last 10 days trying to get the last six the way i want them uh but yeah you can
just run it through a generator
or a script to throw them on
until you get what you want.
But yeah, ENS
is a whole lot easier for
just communication. You can just
say to anybody, say
send me
however much tether or whatever to
drewroberts.eth and it's a simple
conversation
and they don't have
to copy pasta anything they just type it in touche touche and i am definitely going to go cyber squat
um the uh shiba king.eth so when he when it's time for him to get that.eth then i can just
extort him and but no man to, to his point, fractional reserve,
I mean, the old legacy banking system and fractional reserve banking is definitely not set up
for us. So it makes sense to, and this is definitely not financial advice, but it makes
sense to diversify your portfolios. And Sheba King can speak to that. I've heard him speak to that
eloquently several times. What do you think about that?
Diversifying your portfolio,
even with NFT, Shiba?
I think he dropped.
I'll kick for him.
I think he's just,
I think he's just,
at this point,
he's just up here farming.
Yeah, you need multiple digital assets in your collection.
If you're just shit coining, you're missing out on.
And I think you need multiple layer ones and what you're what you're doing as well, because you have Bitcoin as the ultimate long term store value.
Ethereum deflationary.
Gway is good.
And then you got all that kind of Web3 chains,
the Layer 3s essentially that are Layer 1 surrounding it.
Then you got, you know,
kind of Layer 3s on top of ETH.
I think ApeChain is really interesting,
seeing all the action going on there, obviously.
Abstract with the live streaming,
what Luca is doing there you know i
know you all touch on that um and then even like um you know you say what you want about salami
it's not really decentralized but the deployers are intriguing as can be over there it's it's
normalizing tokenization you've got coinbase launching zora their own deployer and putting quite a few billion
behind it uh to compete with instagram and social media uh and really monetizing social media posts
so uh it's an exciting time as we head into q4 uh and we're gonna have more normies coming into the space um yeah i think giving people identities through jpegs on chain
or you know or on ipfs is uh is a fun play right now which includes the the dot eth right because
with the dot see if you get debanked with web3 and all the stuff if you get like uh kicked off
twitter or if you get kicked off
shopify or whatever like that it's can't send and receive crypto can you still have an identity
can anyone take away your boardy can anyone take away your punk well you still got to have the
human readable identity right if you think about ford motor company they've changed their logo a dozen times throughout the past hundred years,
but they've always afford.
And so when new people come into the space,
one of the first things we want them to do is get their human readable identity
and teach them about that security where they can add each of their,
each blockchain you can add to the .eth.
And then as the bankers are integrating blockchain,
the reason ENS is so important is because technically,
not to get too geeky for you guys,
but ENS is ERC-137.
So it's like a basic protocol that all these people
are universally integrating,
which is why we want people to either use their DNS or their .eth.
Well, yeah, and on top of that, you should have multiple ENSs.
Like you were saying, if you're coming in and you're sending directly from a centralized
exchange to Palmer.eth, you're KYC.
Everybody knows your identity.
You know, multiple of these big data companies know your identity.
Monero is a good friend to hop cross-chain or to hop from, you know, on the same chain
to another fresh Addy that you get in ENS after funding it through Monero.
And you've got, you know, multiple separate identities that are on KYC.
Which can be proved with ZK.
Thanks, guys.
Thanks, guys.
I think enough talking about UNS.
Thanks, Palmer.
I think you broke the record.
You had the first human PFP on NFT stage ever.
Shiba is back. So, Alpha alpha what was the question for shiba
uh is his is his ape his uh human readable identity i saw his hand fly off yeah it's
working there's a there's an update and so my thing literally crashed and i'm like they're
activating updates so yeah go update your app if you're in here if you're bugging for you but uh
diversification, yeah.
Everybody knows I'm a big fan of diversifying.
None of them coins, but I don't really do shit coins or meme coins.
I stand to mainstream stuff.
And then NFTs I have are mostly like, they're blue chips.
They're blue chips across chains.
I mean, I'm confident in a lot of projects on ETH.
And many of their NFT projects, but the ones that I think will grab the liquid first,
like I said earlier, I think are some of the blue chips so i have pudgy assets i have apes i have
azuki's i have even good vibes i think it's a it's a newer blue chip that i like but yeah everybody
should be diversified and then the address address poisoning thing i mean it's important to have
extra wallets right so that's like important thing to do it not public those wallets not like make a
post and be like hey i bought a 200k crypto punk and then people are gonna go look at the wall that it's in so like stuff like that will always like
keep you safe and simple stuff and always having like obviously mint wallets and wallets that you
publicize like i bought this asset now that people are gonna go look and see everything else that's
in your wallet and they're gonna look where you got the money to buy that asset people look up
this information it's public so other things people are talking about here is definitely
there. But yeah, definitely diversify.
I saw Chinsanity's hand come up.
Chinsanity, you got a
hot take for the diversification
conversation
and then we'll go to King Babu
to see if he's up here
farming or not. No, I'm just kidding. We'll go
Chinsanity and King Babu.
Yeah, no, I didn't have anything for that.
I just was wondering if I could change the topic about NFTs,
something about Animoca and Cool Cats,
because I'm really interested to hear everyone's thoughts with that
because, yeah, it's pretty interesting.
Oh, man, you read my mind.
Yes, talking about diversification.
Who's the old thing of Cool Cats?
Nobody?
Yeah, no.
I know.
Sorry.
Yeah, where are they? I thought about it.
I thought about it.
I almost pulled the trigger, but...
So, Flora Price just went up.
New announcement.
They are still doing a YouTube series.
I forgot a matrix.
I, I don't know if there have been like, you just assessed with it, but yes, where is the community?
I don't see cool cats on my timeline, like since ever.
Ages.
Machiavelli.
I just want to say, hey, thank y'all for having me on stage today.
I have to currently go to another obligation right now, but I'll let you off.
This motherfucker chewing.
Shout out to Mac.
Bye, bro. Bye.
Love you guys.
He's having turkey in the morning and a cup of coffee.
Enjoy your morning.
Yeah.
Even worse.
Yo, Loki, kick Drew off the stage, bro.
As he said, he's in protest last night on MySpace
With his hand up
Is that what's going on with him?
Yeah, bro, go ahead and tell him the spiel, Drew
Yeah, yeah
I've been in protest for over three years now
Three years and a month
We had a Solana derivative of a derivative of a derivative that lost its pictures.
So that's why I raised my hand.
I also say it's for multiple reasons, but that's where it originated.
We all held our hand up in the space because we had NFTs with just ID numbers and no pics.
And we held our hands up for a whole summer in 24 hour spaces yeah touche okay so guys nobody has anything to say about
cool cats any cool cats uh in the audience want to join by the way i gotta say we are we have 200
listeners probably the worst episode ever so we're fucking back
Look what's going on with cool cats bro. I love the art show G
Yeah, what exactly are they doing I
Think they're pretty big in Japan. I don't think they have a big US token gated community
I can see that I can see that brand doing really good over there um
hello kitty you know it's a cat they like cats over there so i could see cool cats doing well
well you can't say hello kitty without saying la boo boo i don't care how you use it in the
phrase or in the sentence but you just gotta say hello and then la boo boo how have they not dropped
an nft project yet that's what i wanted i would be sticking a scannable thing on the libubu and they would they would sell probably like a billion dollars in the
month that's it and its partner and to launch that ship put it on ETH it would
be like top 10 for at least a month it's free somebody go start that shit up
deep webs I saw your hand fly up jump on in there my guy Hey, can you guys hear me all right?
No, you kind of faint but you're a little pudgy so you just move a little bit closer to the mic. That's all my bro
I'm just kidding. We can hear you pretty good
Uh-oh, I didn't run him off, did I, Loki?
Uh-oh, I didn't run him off did I Loki?
He scared him. He literally scared him
You scared him. You literally scared him.
By the way, Alpha, you are really low on volume on my hand. I don't know others.
Yeah, I think mine, something happened right then, so I'll just speak up a little bit.
Did you update your app?
There's an update.
I can literally hear me through here.
No, maybe I need to go update, but i can't update it right now i'll
just speak a little louder is that better i mean it we could hold it down for 60 seconds it would
take you just to update the app i think i can handle it for a rookie hey my man uh we saw
intelligent stoners hop up uh intelligent stoners what do you think about diversifying your NFT portfolio, good sir?
It's Tricky Buddha from DeFi Space
Donkeys. Powered by weed.
Get yourself a bag of weed.
Happy birthday,
Shiba. I just wanted to come in and
say that. But, you know,
I figured I'd grab the
one with the poor ape since she just had that phenomenal profit
You got good scoop and the new verse there. But yeah, happy birthday. My birthday is next week
There's a lot of August birthdays
The man happy birthday August people I think when you're thinking diversification doing a multiple for three three
back play with nft is always the best maneuver i think uh i learned that with on may 1st 2021 with
board eights on that last day of the mint as the top shots community came over and that was their
big initiative you know along with pringsy uh who got i guess about a third of the collection um that that was
their their whole push during the ramen noodle days was when it goes up 4x drop your first bag
and then we didn't have to uh i got six of them and got six little dogs and flipped the dogs for more than what I got the ape score. So it, you know, I think Yuga was
the first to really implement the airdrops in a way to give their community liquidity and allow
diamond handholding and really build up the floor and allow people to run with their grails and
really their entire Aztec collection there. By the time you got the mutant serum and the,
and the mutant apes, uh, and then with ape coin,
they give you a ton of liquidity. Uh, so, um, yeah,
I think when you're thinking diversification,
just do it in multiples of three, hold onto your moon bag,
your forever PFP, you know,
you're going to round trip or kick off
one day down the road
if it becomes a complete
moon landing and you can't refuse.
Thanks for the financial
advice, Drew.
Yeah, you're welcome. I give financial
advice. You can see me.
It's good to see you, Drew.
I usually get
just a bunch of shit that I like to support,
and then I don't think to sell it.
I usually don't even list it.
Or if I do list it, I list it for like 10x,
and then if it for some reason sells, I go back and scoop the floor.
But I don't know.
I mean, the same principle plays.
Yeah, I mean.
I'm thinking long term.
Yeah, and tokens are tokens.
So think about the three bag play when you're doing shit coins,
especially if you're early in when a four X is drop a third of your bag.
You're in the profits playing with the house's money.
When you reach your what you think is going to be the kind of peak of the market,
you drop your second bag and you can hold your hold your long term just in case it,
you know, takes off unexpectedly
to where your height you didn't know um you know you saw that a lot with the mob community
um and then also they did a loan uh mechanism with on the shitcoin side uh which is fascinating
there's a lot of loan mechanisms on nfts that are fun to play play with if you haven't dabbled in that world they're especially big on salami
But you know even on it even
And EVM world there's a lot of loan mechanisms for NFTs
We are very quiet it's like a lot of reverb is that reverb on my end no no no i think it's dweb he's off his mic he's on uh maybe hot mickey okay i saw a lost lost no come up with the
azuki is that azuki pfp We were just talking about Azuki August.
What do you think about
Azuki August, Law Snow?
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Sorry. Sorry.
Sorry, Law Snow.
Before introducing you,
I want to ask Alpha,
is there an Azuki or an Azuki Elemental?
Oh, you got me, bro. You you the collector i'm just a you know
i don't know it might be a yeah element that's it listen that's an azuki that that's an og the
never mind but yeah man it's it's an og no it's not
for sure it's it's actually an elemental and um i do like the elemental art a lot more than the og art
and i do have an og but i never i never pfp'd it because i don't like it that much and i just
got it just to have one because i love the elementals and i love this one so much
you might hear my daughter making noises um but I love my elemental a lot
and I think that I'm excited about everything that's about to come out in August because I
think uh there's supposed to be like this luxury collab that's going to come out and then I'm
waiting for I mean I'm always afraid that I'm going to miss the TCG relief and like the claim
for the alpha dick and I get paranoid because people got the cards from
uh the irl events and then i keep seeing them on my timeline and i keep like freaking out that i
missed the claim but i don't think it's happened yet
well i think the baby is a fan of the original that's why when you said i don't like the
original the baby spoke up like no mom you're wrong So we'll let we'll take that as the OG vote for the OG collection.
What do you think, Loki? Are you a fan of the OG more so than the Elemental or Elemental over the OG?
Yeah, I have to say I like so much the Elementals.
So as today, I still don't have my forever OG while I have my two elementals, forever
elementals.
And I know Lothar know her elementals is so clean, she had a lot of offers from people
wanting to collect her own PFP.
But yeah, like I was screaming on the timeline how undervalued was Atsuki.
Now we've seen some posts from Dingaling and some other guys,
so Atsuki floor went up a little bit.
Anime, still not much, but yeah.
So, big collaboration coming, probably a watch.
They say it's going to be next Sunday on 17th.
I invited them, but it's so hard to get them on stage here.
So we will see if they will come.
But yeah, I mean, Adzuki is probably one of those established collections.
There's going to be a very good trade
because it really takes just a little bit of liquidity coming from
those CryptoPunk sales to bring up the floor. So it's really that low compared to
BoredApe and Podgy, right? The gap right now is so big between BoredApe, Podgy and the rest.
I think it's just people from running that institutional
after cycle we're talking about every day.
And you know, Azuki has had some humongous whales in the collection over time,
in the community over time.
Do you think those whales just decided to take profit?
You think they may have just kind of got on the back burner?
What do you think happened with that right there because they used to have some huge sales and buys in the in the community
yeah good question so i saw recently i mean like after the animal the animal launch so pretty much
the price went down bad and a lot of people were shaken.
So some whales start to lose their spirit or the rarest ones.
So some sort of price action we weren't used to
and a lot of like grails were dumped on bits.
So I would say, yeah, some of the collectors, DOG took profit and
and they, I mean, maybe they they've seen like the other backs like Pudgy went up and they feel bad about it.
So personally, I'm I'm very excited what Azzuki is doing.
They have a unique vision on Northstar with Anime.com.
Of course, it just takes time because, I mean, we're talking about a web2 business that usually takes decades.
So, let's know.
When did you enter Zuki?
Oh, I entered last year whenever they dropped the Elementals during that party that was i think in la and i saw the bean beans price going down and i actually spent 0.8 east on my bean and then um
and then it just kept going down from there and i even wrote a post about it recently that I wanted to sell my bean for like the longest time
because I don't know I just felt bad afterwards because I felt like I had bought at the top and
then it just went down but then I held until anime coin dropped and then I was able to sell my
allocation of anime for like about a thousand and something which was still not the price of
the bean but it was like a lot and it to me it felt like I felt super rewarded for holding this
bean that was like it was basically like people got them for free and I had paid for mine but
like the allocation for a bean I felt like it was a lot um and then I felt
rewarded and then I got my elemental after that because I was like well you know they just gave
me some free money so why the heck not buy an elemental because I've always wanted one
and then after a while like the Zuki OG price went so down they were like so cheap and finally like
I could afford one so I grabbed an OG as well.
And then my husband got an OG as well too.
And now even though I'm a little bit down on like as far as Eats goes on my OG,
I'm still up in like dollar amount.
So like I feel like I didn't, it was actually like not a bad, it was not a bad thing.
I feel rewarded.
I feel like, you know, Zuki is going to be a brand
in Web3 that's going to stay for a long time.
And I don't feel bad about it at all anymore.
That's good.
Awesome sauce.
Awesome stuff.
Always a pleasure to hear good takes,
you know, and people being proud
of the decisions we made
because some of us have been drained and we just walk away disgusted or what have you, but it's always a pleasure to hear
somebody who's satisfied and then family as well. As, you know, the baby's involved and then the
husband's involved, you can't get, you don't get community even any better than that. I saw Cairo's
hand come up and then I think I saw Captain, uh captain show up so let's go Cairo and captain
all right I love the bean story lost snow I've been following your uh account and I'm so excited
bro um wait I'm not peeing bro okay this is this is relevant Mizuki right the water elemental
I love my water I meditate under my water. Don't worry
about it. It's just a shower. Pin to the top, A for effort. I've always been bullish on the Beans
because they are the most marketable part of Mizuki. They have had a Times Square collaboration
with Line Friends two years ago. They are going full force, not only on the Beans account on Instagram, if you follow,
they have a lot of animations throughout the two years.
But now Azuki is front and center showcasing Mizuki the Elemental with her Bean companion.
This is how Azuki enters Netflix.
Right now, there's conspiracy speculation, but if Netflix was going to host an Izuki IP, it would be the beans.
It would be bean-centric, and this is my thesis.
The animation for beans is cost-effective, it's efficient for time, and their story arc does not require dialogue.
You want to market to the four-quadrant audience.
Family.
If kids love the Bean, that's the Sanrio of Web3.
Yes, Pudgy is the Sanrio of Web3 as we know it.
But Beans are a contender.
If Luca owned Beans, it's a one-to-one.
Indiana Jones swap.
So hear me out.
You have a stop clay animation a la Armin Studios, a la Pokemon Concierge, maybe even a Domo CGI stop animation.
That drives the cost of production even lower.
You don't need anime to make anime
you don't need 2d animation so this is my thesis come back to this space in one and a half years
azuki will be aligning for a netflix show that is kid facing but it is it also it also is adult
facing we all love we all love La Boo Boo, for example.
And then you have it as a miniseries, episodic.
And the Mizukis are the prototype.
The Mizuki shorts, if you've minted this week,
there are first edition mints for every Mizuki short
they've posted across social media.
Beans are the future of Mizuki and I stand by that.
So we talked about my protest earlier. It was actually a derivative of Azuki beans that we
lost a picture on on Solana. There was two Azuki Solana beans copycats and then we were part of
a collection that was the third
That had actually unique traits, but a Ziki squashed all three and we all lost our pictures
because it's not IPFS and decentralized
Yeah, so how does that make a savage Zuki collection? Do you are you still okay with the collection?
Oh, yeah, Ziggy's got great staying power.
They're blue chips.
And I saw Chris Jordan pop up on stage.
Looks like he went back down to Listener.
But I had an opportunity.
He runs a great morning show.
And I had an opportunity to hang out with him.
Part of the Mason the Goats community back in the day over in Tampa.
They did, like, a music video and stuff.
But that was part of it. It was fun.
I don't know about Mason and the goats, but I know
Chris Jordan is definitely one of the goats
in Web3.
We always love the morning show.
I see King Boo Boo.
I want to call on you
just to get a temperature check.
Make sure you're not just up here farming.
Give us your take on what you think
about Azuki and their ecosystem. Would no i love azuki but i was in it like i wanted to
ask a question before but people jumped in uh no worries do you guys think because of like ethereum
and everything that's happening right now uh people are putting money in nfts or nfts or the nfts are not back till we hear your blue chimp back again blue chips
look at the pudgy penguin price action king sorry proof of alpha yeah go ahead bro okay so uh luca
just posted and i it's been years since i tweeted or shared an x post it was twitter it's been years since i shared an ex post with my wall
street normies and right now lucanets posted a very effective repost from thunder xd xd pinned
to the top lucas said stake your pudgies stake your ethan pud, it's Stake your ETH and Pudgies last March, right? Stake your ETH with Pudgies.
The metrics on March 19th, Pudgie floor was 9.15 ETH.
That's a $2,000 USD valuation.
I'm sorry, sorry.
The ETH was at $2,000 and that summation is $18,000.
In March 19th, the Pudgie floor was $18,000.
Today, ETH at the price point it is, this metrics when I was at 4,000 double and the Pudgy floor is now 14.3 ETH TLDR 58,000 plus dollars because ETH
has tore through the charts in the past day so do the math that is that is
exponential to quote unquote,
stake your ETH with Pudgee.
Furthermore, incentives on abstracts that accumulate,
the speculative abstract TGE coming up in quarter four
is an XP multiplier if you're participating
in that ecosystem.
People are buying Pudgee's TLDR.
I'm buying Pudgy's, TLDR. I'm buying Panger, but also Zuki Asics.
I think Izuki's are going to do extremely well.
That's why I picked up a bunch.
I mean, we just talked about how the blue chips were going to outperform,
especially on the E side over the next few months, I think.
A lot of these brands are going to execute.
And a lot of them are going to execute on different sides.
You know, Pudgy's are going on their games and some of their IP in the toys Izuki's is possibly get something
through some streaming network you could see similar things come out from
moonbirds and in cards very similar to how Spencer did it with the pudgies IP
and the TCG game so we'll have to see who can execute some of that stuff and
actually sell it right some of the new people that don't have benefits I want to shout out
claymosaurs and I want to shout out chimbers did you say claymosaurs yep
claymosaurs they just won a few awards doodles and the doodlverse just won
their award they're doing the work right just like Luca they're doing the work, right? Just like Luca. They're doing the work to bring Web3 native IPs to the mainstream multimedia audience.
So if you're not paying attention to Klanosaurs and Doodles on that front, please do. Um, Azuki needs to take note. I'll be honest. Azuki is releasing their animes on YouTube with a lukewarm reception. Um, they're pretty abstract, even though Samurai Champloo is my favorite anime of all time. That episode needed more time in the oven. I, I'll be honest. I love it. I minted it. And I am here to see Zagabond take a few notes from the festival cycles that doodles and
clannosaurs circulate.
And chimpers are killing.
They're melting faces right now.
Always a hot take from Cairo.
I saw Cato.
Yeah, let's go to Kaido.
Yeah, let's go to Cairo.
Yeah, Cairo.
Bro, you're hecko, Jesus.
Yo, I don't think they should take notes from them.
Actually, a lot of people should take notes from Azuki.
I think that Web2, exponentially, we got, with Anime.com,
we got one of the most bullish cases ever in Web2.
Now, if that doesn't target your,
your kind of like care,
what you care for,
or what, like your passions,
I feel like that's,
that that's the problem,
like geolocation of interests.
Because in my opinion,
and in my head,
anime.com equals,
if not in the long run,
even like goes beyond Walmart.
I may say something, a hot take here,
but I think that that's it.
And I'm very much into the anime world, right?
So I kind of like see how the industry works.
So I think that Web2-wise,
Azuki has no rivals in that sense.
Obviously, Pagi, but like it's doing better
than any other besides Pagi, right?
So I don't think that I should take notes.
What I think is that obviously we always talk about, you know,
Web2, Web3, this and that.
I feel like that there is like two clear distinctions in terms of strategy, right?
And you cannot go bold in Web2 as you can with Pudgy, for example, in other sectors.
Not all sectors are very welcoming Web3,
are not very welcoming the tech that is behind it,
or are not very welcoming NFTs itself, right?
So you need to be very careful, right?
You need to be very wary.
You need to be very culture-wise.
You need to be very contained into that culture.
And we are talking about anime, for example, here with Azuki.
They're doing everything in the right way
because they're not going through,
they're not going throughout like Pagi.
Oh, we are the crypto.
They're building an entity in Web2 that's going to go beyond that
and going to be the community around anime and the industry, right?
So I don't know if you can hear me still, guys,
because I'm not sure if I'm...
Yeah.
Okay, okay. You can hear me. Yeah. So, yeah, still guys because I'm not sure if I'm yeah okay okay yeah
so yeah like
just because I'm going around
I think that what they're executing
is perfect it's very well balanced
it's very well respectful of the
culture and anime industry
because it's a very close industry
and I think that
that's we are not
bullish enough because sometimes we forgot that, like, you know,
geallocation and categories matter.
And a lot of times people, like, talk on the timeline just because they feel like I know about floor prices
so I can judge, like, an entire industry.
Yeah, just, I mean, I like your take here, right?
It was not against you.
It's just rather that I don't think they should take notes from nobody.
All right, Kato.
Thanks.
I think, yeah, people talk on the timeline because sadly it's free to post.
We need a social media where you need to pay.
So we will stop to read a lot of bullshit.
But I actually agree with you and I'm going to steal this on Twitter.
I feel anime.com is the warmer moment that it was for Pudgy in the same way that it was received.
It was received badly at the moment.
Like when they start selling toys on Amazon and then going to Walmart, you were reading a lot of like criticism.
A lot of people saying, how does it benefit the others?
Why are you cheapening the brand?
All this bullshit.
They don't have long-term vision.
Why?
Because the floor prices and the narratives are driven by the crypto natives. so the people on crypto Twitter.
So most of us, most of them,
they were just the early adopters of the industry.
They're not like builders or running business.
They don't see this.
So Anime The Commie, of course,
it's a long-term vision, long-term thing to run.
So for them, they just don't grasp it in the same way
they didn't grasp it for Pudgy. Pudgy was like 8 Ethereum till a few months ago. And it didn't
really run when Walmart was announced. So yeah, I think I see similarities within the two.
So, yeah, I think I see similarities within the two.
And that's it.
Loki, could I just reply really quick to Kato?
Yeah.
Okay, thank you, Loki.
And I agree, Loki.
Walmart moment is the anime.com.
And I'm bullish.
I own all of the above properties and pin to the top.
I always say it doesn't hurt to study talent.
And if people say don't study doodles and don't study Klanosaurs, that's a missed opportunity. This app is free.
Pinned to the top.
Doodlesville and the Doodleverse won their first animated special of the Doodles won gold at the Australian Effects and Animation Festival for Best Short Film.
That's bullish.
And their fault, the Doodles' fault, is they don't make enough noise.
And that's a conversation for later.
They deserve a lot of noise.
And pinned to the top, Klanosaurs,
they are partnered with the studio that made The Little Prince
and the Miraculous Ladybug.
They have, that's Media little prince and the miraculous ladybug they have that's many media one kids
and family for a global animated tv series and they won a webby award and 44 collision awards
they must be studied do not be too proud do not be too how do you say this
don't have your blinders on.
Zagabon needs to be studied, right?
Luca needs to be studied.
Gordon and Garner have to be studied.
But at the end of the day, we have a clinic being put on.
And yes, yes, they're on different ecosystems, whether it be Solana or Sui.
But, and even Flo for a time, Doodles was, but we're all,
you know, breaking shit and making shit.
But please also pay attention to the fact that anime.com has a lot of potential.
They just partnered at Anime Expo in LA.
They made the Crunchyroll booth, and this is one last nugget.
The only Web3 representation in the crunchy roll
Azuki Illustrated booth was Gus the Bean.
Pay attention to the beans.
Thanks, Cairo.
And since you mentioned Klino and all the other brands,
and since we're talking about Azuki,
I would say at the end of the day,
what you do in Web2 doesn't really translate to floor price increase because floor price increase comes from Web3, from the crypto OG.
So you need to be able to be omnipresent.
And pretty much only Paggie was able to do, thanks to a huge team that are working.
And we have E.R. Ross on stage.
So Clayton, what he's doing right now, they are expanding to Asia.
That is something that still, some brands still have their Asian division.
And this is just proof of how hard it is to run a web-free business.
You need to be everywhere. So, Ross, welcome on stage, part of the Asia Paji team.
GM, GM. What's up?
GM, thanks, Loki.
Hey, guys, nice to meet you.
A lot of new faces here.
I've not gotten a chance to meet some of you before,
but some of you I do recognize.
Great to be on the space.
Yeah, so like Loki said, I'm working with the
team. I help to expand, you know, Pengu and Paji across Asia. And I don't know if this has been
raised earlier in the call, but I think for me, I come from a community builder perspective. And
for me, the strongest community wins at the end of the day, regardless of price. I mean, price is
important. I agree with what Loki said about price. Web3 really drives the price. But Web2 is where,
sort of like Web2 and Web3 combined,
is where we really find community works.
And I love, like,
recently I went to Taiwan
and I've never been to Taiwan before.
I've never met anyone from Taiwan before,
but we had a Paji lunch meetup in Taiwan
and I literally just sat in that room with everybody
and I felt like, man, we really feel like a family. And I literally just sat in that room with everybody. And I felt like,
man, we really feel like a family. And I haven't felt that way and that wholesomeness in any other
community. I've joined NFT communities before, but I've always missed out on that wholesome
feeling. Like it's not just about prices. It's also about just building with each other. There
was a guy from Canada. His name is Lil wenzel he printed his own tote bags and
magnets and stickers and he brought it all the way over to taiwan and i came all the way from
malaysia and i brought some stuff to pass to him and we really like we never met before and yet
immediately like friends uh for years right so um that's just something i wanted to push put
forward in everybody's minds as well that community building and how you build your
communities around your nft whatever it is whether it's paji azuki or whatever right i think that to
me is the heartbeat of the community right um that everybody can just feel at home right with each
other and i've always loved that in paji i also actually bought azuki before right elemental that
is but um i don't know why i just don't see as strong a community vibe as I've seen in Paji.
So personally, I can speak from that experience.
But I look forward to more community building in all NFTs, right?
I don't like the idea that we should be closed off from each other.
I've never enjoyed that, you know, oh, you're in this group.
I'm in this group.
No, I mean, we should all be happy being part of the Web3 and Web2 communities
and mixing around with each other and then doing great art together crossovers i would love to see my little paji with a little afro um maybe featured
on an azuki anime one day who knows right um you know the future is bright and uh yeah so a little
shout out thanks loki for for the time on stage but yeah community building number one you know
i give it to aaron Cheryl, my two mentors,
who really taught me a lot about community building in Paji as well.
And to Luca and the whole team too.
So yeah, that's a little bit from me.
Back to you, Loki. Go ahead.
Thanks, Ross. Thanks, Ross. 100%. Community is everything for our legacy brands and NFTs.
Well, you just made the conversation spicy,
fadding on the Azuki community.
I saw Kylo and Luzno reacting.
Guys, go for it.
No, wait, that was not fud.
He didn't.
That's what I'm talking about.
This is geolocational problem.
Like, it's geolocational kind of interest, right?
Like, look, if you are a fucking bird,
like, and you go in a pool,
you don't want to like to fucking stream with fishes, right?
You want to fly with other birds, right?
So I just feel like that.
I just feel that,
and actually the animals were not like NFTs related.
It's just like some animals that came in my mind.
What I'm saying is that I think that each one of us
has their own personalities, their own interests and such, right?
So we tend to put, blend everything together in this space
because of pricing, which unfortunately or fortunately is important, right?
However, then you really like can tell that like the people,
the people that wants like to build this connection and such,
like they need to find their own vibes.
They need to find their own thing.
For example, I've been looking at the Yazuki community forever
since I was in Metaverse,
and then I could afford an Elemental and the Beans
just like last year and the Bodice, right?
But I felt already part of it.
I didn't need to because I've always been proactive towards that, right?
So I think that is just like the vibes that you need to find. So I don't take it as food that right so I think that is just like
the vibes that you that you need to find so I don't I don't take it as food I don't think that
it's food but it's very interesting because it really shows and and and you said very something
very important at the beginning I don't know if everyone like noticed you said like I talked from
the from the builder perspective right I talked from that perspective of like building and helping
and supporting and working with the team.
And I think that that's changed a lot because from the builder perspective, I would say, you know, prices and stuff are not important.
However, I think that if you are a builder with some kind of like, you know, builder intentions, you have like really your hands into the core team and such and core narrative.
You need really to look at that, like it's it's it's that simple
that the attention game that we talked about earlier and paji like really smashed that so
yeah no i just wanted to add this that i think that uh it's it's fine if you don't feel part of
a certain community because not all communities are the same not all communities like to do the
same thing and thankfully it's not that way yeah I think that's a good point as well.
I totally want to just clarify, no fun at all.
Hey, I bought my Azuki Elementals because I love the art.
The art was amazing.
And I remember when I first got it,
I saw someone creating animated GIFs of Azukis
and I got them to do one of mine.
They did it for free.
That inspired me to then go and do stickers
for my Paji Penguin community it for free that inspired me to then go and do stickers for for my paji
penguin community members for free as well and it's like you know um art inspires art right so
no fun at all totally get where that's coming from you can look at an nft project from a business
perspective from a community builder perspective from an art perspective from a trading perspective
if there's a coin right so i think we the world is big enough that we should be able to have enough perspectives
and we shouldn't feel like, you know, like, oh, just because you said this or disagree
with me, that means it's fun.
Totally not, right?
Totally not.
It's just differences in the way we approach things.
But yeah, I appreciate that.
Yeah.
100%, bro.
It was not you.
It was Loki doing Loki things.
I knew.
I knew.
I knew he was set.
As soon as you said that, I was like, no chance gonna bring it up you're right he's like spicy i'm like no no no
the only spicy things is in my mouth i eat spicy i don't i don't speak spicy you know so but yeah
that's let's loki being loki um yeah cool i only date spicy. Oh. All right. All right.
Let's know what you have to say.
I just wanted to, I didn't take it as like a spicy or like fun thing at all.
But I just wanted to say that there's something to be said about the Zuki community being
different than any other community that I've been in and you it's possible
to feel kind of like you're not part of truly part of the community until you buy an elemental
or an OG and I don't I don't know how to explain it but it's just how it like how I felt I felt
whenever I had my beans I just didn't really
feel like fully part of the community and then when I bought my elemental and my beans of my OG
then I connected with more people and I was more into everything that was going on and like people
were more like open I I think I think there's something there's something like that i don't know i mean
it might just be me but i don't i don't know i feel like it's i feel like it's a real thing
races towards me and shiba yeah i was gonna say um originally when i hung out with the
azuki people it was like the beans it was shotgun and sansa and that whole group and
when polygon was a thing and
we were doing all those spaces and i originally got a bean and then i actually bought a elemental
for one e thinking that you know two e thought this is the dip but i did sell that for 0.7 so i
didn't take a huge loss and then i ended up buying an azuki for two e's pretty much what the element
is mint did so if you didn't buy the bottom it's like okay but good entries and the beans are really cool so i actually sniped a rare bean i don't have no idea why it was 0.66 but you know wherever
they decide to go with the branding it would be nice and i have seen some animations and like some
short things with bean characters i can see that doing extremely well as an ip in some type of uh
series so hopefully they can execute on one of them. I think it will take some time, but we
should start seeing a lot of this coming out. Have you guys watched mentioning some things? I see a
lot of the little pudgy stuff on YouTube. Anybody watch any of those episodes? They always post it.
I haven't actually watched a full one. Yes, and I've come close to casting mine. I love the YouTube
little pudgy series. And it's not just a YouTube series for kids.
If you want to trench,
every main character of that Little Pudgy's cast
is a ticker on Abstract,
on their meme coins.
And every new friend that pops up is a new ticker.
Guys, there is so much to play with
with the Little Pudgy.
Hey, let's not talk about this
because I know somebody who did it
and if you don't know the legend of Loki point four let's go look here your wava she's what just It was wild, bro. Sheesh. What just happened right there? We're exposing Loki.
Loki's quiet right now.
Loki is a meme.
No, meme Loki.
Meme guy.
Ross, I saw your hand go back up in the midst of that.
Did you want to jump back in there?
No, I mean, I think briefly, Lost Snow brought up an interesting point
that I thought of thinking about as well.
Because she said, like, if you hold the beans or the azuki elemental then you feel like part of the community
but what if you're a token holder right in azuki you've got the anime token in paji penguins you've
got the pengu token what if you're just a token holder do token holders feel like they're part of
the community now my job is i try to make them feel
and we welcome them you know because sometimes they they text me it's like hey ross can i can
i join this group chat i don't have a paji i can't afford it but i've got a bit of pengu and i'm like
yeah sure you know welcome to everybody but i also wonder from that perspective do you guys think that
the token holders view the projects differently do they feel like part of a community yeah i i would think from both ends from
our end like pitching nfts to people it's like you guys like tokens they buy them on coinbase
you know these are like the tokens of the nfts and if they fall in love with the token part and
they meet the community then maybe they'll buy a smaller version of nft you know maybe they'll buy
the bean and then work their way up but for us here it's hard for me to go out to web2 with
people and be like hey like how are the nfts doing i'm like they for us here, it's hard for me to go out to Web2 with people and be like, hey, how are the NFTs doing?
I'm like, they're doing great.
It's up.
I can explain that to them, but they're still not going to buy it.
But if I tell them to go buy Pengu, they'll ride Pengu up 150%,
and then they'll save up and get a little pudgy.
Most of my friends will actually throw down the money for a little pudgy
if they actually make money on the coin.
But the last two months have slowly convinced more people to
try out, like, the new Doge, is what
they call it. We're already getting that. We're already getting that.
They're like, Pango, it's going to be the new Doge, and
honestly, it's going to do better. It's going to do better
than what Shiba did and Doge did. It's going to definitely
outperform the bull run
for those tokens. I think percent-wise
we'll see some, I don't know if we'll see a
dollar, but I'm definitely going to see Pango
doing times ten. We can see the anime token and the doodles token doing similar runs
I don't think as big as paying you but it'll definitely move with the market
And if they do take off with the altcoin run then the assets will probably move with it or vice versa
If the zoo keys the assets start running the token might run with it, too
So there is some correlation you could check the chart this week. Which one did it?
I think it was the doodles token that went went up 30 and I wanted one up 30%
So and then the floor didn't go up, but then vice versa Zuki's far went up, but the token didn't go up
So she buy you change your username. No never
Yeah, I can make a million dollars on tango. I still wouldn't change my username. It's stock
It's just it's just an OG there'll be a time while I'll own way more Shiba token than paying you Which is not now. It's just not OG. There'll be a time where I'll own way more Shiba token than Pingu, which is not now.
It's just not now. It might be later, though.
So we won't see
the Shiba King as the token
king, or the Pingu king
going no time soon.
Husker's up on the stage,
and we'll go to Husker, Kaido,
and Kiro.
Hey, guys, GMGM.
Thanks for bringing me up.
I just think Ross actually brought up something that I've been thinking a lot about recently.
And it kind of goes back to, like, you know, we say this word community like it is this overarching thing.
And at least and I think it does start off that way.
But at least with Penguins, i think we have many communities i think there's
probably the overarching community kind of similar to like igloo of how you know igloo has abstract
and it has pudgy penguins but inside even the pudgy penguins you have pingu and you have littles
and you have bigs and you have frogs and sometimes they overlap and in some cases they don't just
like you know we have the pink and penguin ears chat, where it's just for big penguins.
We have a little pudgy chat that includes both little pudgies and pingu token holders.
But ultimately, I think it is.
There's times where, like, quite honestly, it does include everyone.
And there's other communities that it doesn't.
And I think that's OK, because because ultimately I think if you try to make
everything all the time everywhere I think you quite honestly kind of lead to a watered down
community that doesn't really lead people to like what they really want it to be and I think that's
one thing that like we really do a good job on is like having so many different communities that if
there's something that interests you you can kind of find something that's for you or people that, and not necessarily an echo chamber, but at least people that you're
like, oh, I kind of vibe with these people over here. So this is kind of the group that I'm going
to go towards and stuff like that. But that's just kind of what was on my mind. So definitely
bullish though, as you can expect on Pudgy Penguins and the Pingu token.
I'm here. I'm going to interject with Husker riding his momentum.
Pin to the top. This is a tweet I pinned up here on your Space Loki and Alpha three weeks ago.
J. Bond Wagon tweeted how when Board Ape Yacht Club got viral, it was within the genre of exclusivity.
Members only. Pudgy is going viral now because of inclusivity. Like the Spider-Verse,
everyone can be a Pangu, can rock a Pangu PFP custom by PPMCTweets. You have
holders of pingu on Solana and abstract being welcomed into the huddle,
exclusive members only
discord
meetings bi-weekly and
we have
participation across, yes, ROGs, Little Pudgies and Big Pudgies, but now holding Pingu enters you into that ecosystem. was alienated at times, falling short to deliver that mass adoption mythos.
But now with Other Side, we have a working thesis that is going to open up the gates
to Web3 Gaming, which I look forward to.
I love what BoardApe is doing, but this is just a study on the Pengu token being ownership into a community.
Yeah, I was getting ready to say you might have been stuck in the past there for a minute. You
know, I heard you kind of and I was wondering if that was rugged or if that was your point,
but definitely, man, things have changed. The new genre and regime is here uh and maybe even to speak to that
point we got a simple farmer who has a new position in ape chain so maybe he can kind of
speak to that point how that relates to the conversation if he's been if he's been uh
keeping up simple farm are you there sir hey? Hey, GM, GM, guys.
Shiba King, Pruvalta, DJ, and Loki.
I hope you guys are having an awesome Sunday.
Love to see you guys out here putting in work in the trenches,
representing the NFT communities on a Sunday.
I hope everyone's having a great day. Yeah, just to the point that was made earlier,
I think this is a different game.
It's a bit apples and oranges comparing 2021 to the current era with NFTs.
And especially now, since both Pudgies and Bored Apes have a token connected to them,
right, an ape coin and Pengu.
I think the fractionalized nature of the tokens themselves makes feeling like you're part
of these communities more accessible. And I think that,
you know, a lot of the price action that happened on Pengu was actually super beneficial for the
Pudgies NFT too, by extension. I think obviously it's great to see both communities doing well,
great to see ETH pumping and the NFTs following. I think we're seeing a lot of institutional bidding
mentioned in an earlier space. I think institutions now are kind of viewing, and companies as well, are viewing NFTs as a great proxy for the cryptocurrencies themselves.
It's more relatable.
It's easier for people to buy into.
But yeah, here at, I work for Ape Chain now.
And with ApeCoin, what we're focused on is just getting additional utility and exposure, making sure the token makes sense for people to buy. And with that,
I think you're going to see mass adoption of the token by the Board API Club NFT holders as well,
because of course, when something's pumping and looks good, everybody wants to connect to their
community. But shout out to everybody. I think both sides are doing extremely well. I think
we're part of the same team here. Saw Loki's hand come up. Loki?
part of the same team here.
Saw Loki's hand come up.
Loki?
Yeah, thanks, Farmer.
Thanks, Oscar.
I want to go back to Ross.
Great question.
So I've been thinking about,
so the question was like,
should we or how we include
these token orders
into the Pudge community,
into the NFT community,
the launch token? So I agree with Oscar. into the Pudge community, into the NFT community that launched a token.
So I agree with Asker, it cannot be the same.
So an exclusive community, it's based on how much effort you're putting into it.
It can be you're doing something, it can be you're owning something, right?
So I don't think just being a token holders, we will have to reward.
I mean, we can see some sort of like you're joining the Telegram chat, but we know like those communities,
we've seen the 2024 Minkoin cycle, they are not real community. They're like Ponzi-Shiller community where our value
alignment is shilling together until my exit is ready. So yes, you can convert. Like if you're
a brand like Pudgy, then you start with a token and then you're going to buy in the collectible,
whether it's the physical or the digital. So I've been thinking, how can we do this?
And in Web2, I remember when I was young, I used to pay a subscription to be part of
a group, let's say like the fan club of my favorite rock band. So in the same way, I think, and I haven't seen
anybody doing this, like if you want to be part of a token holders community, you could
probably ask for a subscription and provide an EscoZip group
where every month you need to pay a certain amount of Pengu to be in.
And that's how I see a solution for this kind of token community.
What do you think, Ross?
Yeah, that's a great point.
It's exactly the kind of challenge that I have in my head when I think about community building, right? Do we make groups exclusive? Do we do token gating? My background and the way I approach it is that everybody's welcome at first, but we might, you know, consider giving special privileges.
Let's say you're a holder, right?
We've had this before in Malaysia where we had like a launch party for a LoLand game, you know, where they licensed Pajis.
And so a holder was asking me like, hey, you know, do I as a holder get any special privileges?
Do I get any special merch?
And that's something we're looking into.
I think that's fine, you know, as something that we can consider if there's enough budget, if there's enough resources.
Definitely, you know, holders want to be appreciated.
They're holders, right? They spend a lot of effort, like you said, you know, to get to where they are.
So I think I would look at it from that perspective, at least from community building,
like, you know, everybody should be welcome in the chat. Like, that's the bare minimum,
right? Is a chat open to everybody. But, you know, when we have events, when we have certain
special community meetings, maybe inner huddles or whatever. Those are only, you know, perhaps holder-gated kind of events.
Like inner igloo is only for holders, for example,
or those who hold tokens to a certain extent, like a certain number, right?
So I think that's fine.
But again, I mean, it's open for discussion, right?
There's no, I think someone put it in a way to me,
there's no playbook or guideline for how we build communities in Web3.
That's the whole point of being decentralized.
You can do anything.
You can experiment.
You can try things out.
Maybe it works.
Maybe it doesn't work.
And then see how it flows from there.
So I'm always learning from other communities.
I don't know how they do it in Azuki.
If there's token gating or there's a way that they appreciate their holders differently
from their token holders.
I don't know.
But I'm always open to listening
to how other communities do it.
But at least from my perspective,
Telegram chat groups, you know, the bare minimum,
everybody join in, everybody chat, everybody have fun.
And then maybe some special rewards or incentives,
you know, for NFT holders.
That's something that I'm looking towards as well.
But yeah, happy to hear other opinions.
Thanks, Ross. Kaido, go.
Yeah, so no, I really loved the question and the context that you brought up.
So obviously, there are like multiple ways of building community around the web, right?
Be it Web 3, Web 2, Web 0. And I think that community is the core values of humans, right?
Like, we are social, and that's it.
For how much we love to stay every day online on our timeline, alone on the screen, we love
to be, we are social animals.
So the thing is this, right?
Like, so I think that, like, a token, for example, dies within itself if it's launched only with the prospect of a Web3 community.
Pengu and anime coins, these are said to be standard and absolute leaders within their fields.
Now, the Pagi is positioning themselves in a very smart way as the crypto NFT,
as the crypto face, right?
So that means that sometimes it may be that it's so accented
that some people may buy for profit.
Some people may buy because it's like,
oh, I want to be part of that ecosystem and such and such.
With Azuki, it's a bit different, in my opinion.
I mean, it's the same concept, but it's a bit different to see it,
like the visualization of it, just because it's anime, right?
It's not like Pengu is very strictly related to Pudgy Penguins.
Anime, instead, is set for the anime.com side of things.
So it's set for the industry, right?
And in my opinion, something that I think
we will see, obviously I come from a culture and community building perspective, right?
So something that I can see happening is as simple as like, you go to anime.com, you buy the stickers,
everyone wants stickers, you buy the stickers, you buy them with anime, right? So at first you see
it as a currency, you see it on Binance.
You see it there and there.
Then you're going to start seeing live in real life anime cons, right?
Like we said, like LA, for example.
We're going to see them like all over the world in Tokyo and such.
And then you get people's curiosity.
That curiosity can be two things, like the profits, obviously,
but also a first point to understand a deeper
culture that is behind that. And then you go to Azuki, and then you go to the NFTs, right?
So I think that there is like different layers and different approaches, but they're very,
very well done in their respective fields for the respect that you need to have for these
fields. So I think that anime, Korean, for this respect for these fields.
So I think that anime coin, for example, is seen at least on the timeline, web tree wise.
If someone is buying anime, it doesn't matter if you don't hold a Beans, a Nazuki. I always see positive onboarding and positive ways of including these people.
However, I see the potential of anime coming also from the anime world
when people are going to use it on anime.com,
which may become the North Star for anime online.
And imagine they start using it
without even knowing what it is,
and then they start going deeper and deeper into that.
So I think that the answer to this question is yes.
I think it's happening the same thing
that is happening with Pengu,
but to a different level
and to a different level of, like, expansion
because it's a bit more, how do you say that,
like, targeted, right?
So I think both have, like, enormous potential,
but as Loki said earlier, like,
we're going to see anime.com probably
in the next few years. I don't think it's going to take decades. I think it's going to take, like,
only a few years to see that and a little bit of presence, like, in real life events and with,
like, Crunchyroll and such. Imagine if, like, in two weeks Crunchyroll tells you that they're
going to use anime as well, like, to pay their subscriptions right that would be huge and that would bring like
all the traffic uh all their traffic uh in in terms of like streaming and such there would be
all the traffic exposed to anime and then i don't know like out of like 10 probably four or five
because they are watching anime online so it means they're already kind of like
anime nerds and online nerds they they're going to go and be like,
oh, what the hell?
Who did create this token?
So they're going to go deep into that
and they're going to start
understanding a whole ecosystem.
And just closing it here,
because I know that Loki hates when I go along.
So closing it here,
like Azuki has a tested ecosystem, right?
Like people bought stuff from locals,
like support the locals.
There is an ecosystem that works already. So imagine that ecosystem expanded now as they're
doing like all over the place, right? So it's already inclusive. It's that I think you see,
you're going to see it like a bit later, probably.
I think Loki wanted you to keep going, bro. He loved the way you speak so eloquently.
Yeah, he just yelled me, shut up. Shut up, Utahian. Shut up.
Hey, so you know what? Just returning back to the basics of NFTs, we've had a few huge green candles on collections.
Well, we had a bunch of them this week, right? And so the past few weeks.
And so what do you guys think? I'll
just pose a quick question. What do you guys think how that is going to relate back to bringing in
new collectors? Is it the huge green candles is making everybody that's here already say,
hey, you know what? I better double down and get some more of these collections.
Or do you think that exposure will bring in newer holders
into all of the ecosystems? What do you think about that, Sheba?
It could do both. I think a lot of people are just exposed to the NFTs being just dormant
and not really performing at all. No one can flip. No one can make money. I mean, look at
Knock and Beagles. Look at Moonbirds. People are literally buying them on the pump and then selling them for 0.2 at loss because
they're trying to catch a wave and make money.
So that's how you know the NFT season is kind of spinning around.
Where there's volume, there's going to be flippers, and there's going to be people that
actually want to join some of these projects at a discounted price.
And they finally start seeing the upside.
I mean, Azuki's and Moonbirds and all these projects are still, what, 90% down from their
all-time highs.
So even if we get 20% over the next few weeks or maybe even 50% as they continue to grow healthily and hold the liquidity in there,
I think people are going to really start coming to the main.
And it could attract new people.
You will see a lot of new Boredave CryptoPunks and a lot of, you know, pudgy holders.
And maybe that will go into some other projects, but you're going to see a lot of people more holders. Maybe they'll go into some other projects,
but you're going to see a lot of people more confident
spending $50K on an NFT
because they also ran ETH up two or three times
in the last three months, six months.
People are okay spending profit.
A lot of people are hesitant in spending money
that they don't have.
They'd rather put it in crypto first.
I feel like I even do that.
I feel like we're going into a coin market, even if we don't i have some nft plays on eath i could flip
because eath is up and i'm really confident about playing both sides of those i saw husker's hand
come up husker did you uh do you want to jump in there yeah so i you know, I think number go up.
It's almost like a self, I'm trying to think of like a self-fulfilling hype machine.
You know, number goes up means that generally vibes go up.
Vibes go up means that you generally have people talking to people not just in Web3,
but also outside of Web3, which then helps bring in more people into the community or into that coin or into that, like whatever it might be, which then goes back to, you
know, makes number go up even more.
So it just becomes this self-fulfilling like momentum that goes forward.
So I think it does help quite honestly bring new people into, you know, the projects and
stuff like that.
The other thing that it does is that, you know,
hey, you talk about a lot of these projects being 90% down from their highs. And like when you're
just at that price, yeah, that does stop a lot of people from talking about it because a lot of
bag holders are down 90% or more. But if you, as you get further away from that, if you get,
you know, if like Moonbirds doubles, they might still be down 90% from on top.
But hey, they're now 100% or maybe even more than 100% up over the last month or two.
Now you have a lot of people that are actually up a decent amount to where you don't really hear people talking about it being down 90% over all time.
They just talk about, hey, check out this Moonbirds.
It's up 125% over the last 30 days or something like that.
Yeah, it makes sense.
It makes sense 100%.
Emlo, let's go to you.
You got a take on that, Emlo?
I mean, I think with regards to, like to being part of a community, Pudgy Penguins has basically
dominated that narrative.
And I think another project that's been doing really well has been Rekt.
I don't know if you've been following OSF, but it's been really great to see how that
started from a free mint and went all the way to now it's a multi hundred
million dollar coin on ethereum and all of the people that bought into their products also got
an airdrop and everyone that was holding the nft got an airdrop and feels like a win-win-win for
like literally everyone involved You
Did I
There's been silence in the room. I'm gonna fill the void i'm sorry man i was talking and my damn microphone
was muted i'm just i'm just rambling off i'm like what the hell but no go ahead carol go ahead man
oh yeah no i know i man i did radio for years as i was behind the camera i knew you were talking but
i didn't want to interrupt but also uh here i am filling this void uh really quick popkins
Here I am, filling this void, really quick Popkins en sui.
This is a, okay, full disclosure, I don't own any Clannosaurus assets.
I'm not here shilling Clannosaurus because I want to pump my bags.
I'm here because I watch and learn.
So Popkins minted a gotcha style blind box pack rip mechanism in the Popkins supplementary Klanosaurus collection on a
totally different chain. Now you want to observe how these, this is funny to say, dinosaur collections
like Azuki, like Bored Ape, like Pudgy, like Klanos are revitalizing for a new audience, a new consumer, a more supply, a decreased
entry point, and across new chains. You look at Abstract, for example, a whole new chain. Now,
I live and build on Abstract. So whenever you hear me say the ABS, I'm pumping my bags. So just know
that liquidity follows liquidity, okay? So two things here. One, just like the Popkins, just like
the Chimpers, we also have a mechanism like a pudgy real world assets, right? Where you have a little pudgy keychain, you have the
igloo blind box chasers, you have the art toy a la
medicom bear break or cause in the pudgy collectibles that all get scanned and converted into a digital asset
that will be playable on the catalog of Pudgy games coming to App Store and to Abstract
gaming platforms.
So you have these assets that normies will be NFT-pilled without a charge.
This is just following the Pokemon card market, right?
You want to target the experience and the collectible, not the speculation.
Now, you have also those vehicles of gaming.
You know, you have Pudgy Party on the App Store pre-order.
You have Pudgy World, which will be on computers that kids will be able to play and participate.
You think of the Roblox Minecraft audience.
So you have a lot of NFTs in play.
The question was from proof of alpha are people
buying nfts the answer is yes but not like they used to not like we remember people are buying
nfts because they're buying an experience to unpack a pack of pokemon cards for example but it's instead it's like a chimper it's like a
popkin it's like a kuga that's a shill and also it's in the form of collectibles like plushies
that pudgy releases on walmart and target etc that convert into a digital collectible that they can
into a digital collectible that they can have in a game.
have in a game
Yeah, well, man, I believe I'm a firm believer that coins and tokens do give exposure to
ecosystems. And, you know, if you have holders who may be priced out of the actual collection, they can still have
some type of participation. But that exposure creates an interest. And as that interest grows,
over time, when they get an opportunity, like Lost Snow was saying earlier, that
she wasn't really positioned to get an original Azuki until later on.
And so that interest just stays there.
And that person who has that exposure to that ecosystem is actually attracted.
And then at the right moment, they're able to jump in.
And I've seen it a million times with people in the ape coin and ape chain ecosystem flipping up and positioning themselves to buy
mutants or apes or what have you. And so I'm a firm believer that, you know, that even that part
of the ecosystem is a part of a learning curve that I think everybody should be looking at,
you know, whether it's for an actual utility or, quotes, don't throw tomatoes at me,
but tokens do create an exposure to the ecosystem.
That's a valuable thing.
Kato, we're going to go to Kato, and I think Simple Farmer's Hand came up after Kato.
Yeah, so I just wanted to add on this, right? Because I really like the points you brought up, guys.
And, you know, as Snow said, I have like a similar story, right?
Like with Azuki, for example, when I entered the ecosystem, I was already like into their spaces.
I was always like listening to spaces, especially to the community ones, right?
Like with Sansa, Dutch, sorry, with Sansa and all the people like there, right?
So that's the thing right I know that we talked about like uh the mass coming to buy our our JPGs and stuff like the the the way
I see Paji and Azuki positioning themselves is that people is not buying into your NFTs you're
not buying into a certain kind of like thing from your brand until they don't become part of it.
Right. Like it's it's I know that we cannot see it, but like it's a very stupid example is like if you're a skater, right.
And you're poor as fuck, which by the way, it was me.
Like I wanted to like to skate and stuff like that.
And I needed these shoes, the Vans. Right.
Because like if you don't have the Vans and you're a skater, like at the time, like 10 years ago, you were like, oh, yeah, you're not a real skater, right? You're not part of our group. And I know that that's wrong,
but still like you when you're like younger, you think it that way, right? So when you want to
really to be part of something. And when I say that Azuki has a tested ecosystem with us,
the community and such, it's because it's real. It's something that is really is working. And
that allows people to really understand what's going on or really
understand like what's the angle of it and fall in love with it.
And then like buy.
And I think that that's what like, you know,
the tokens like the Pangu and the anime token going to do.
They're going to like really give a kind of like overview and anticipation
or intro to the ecosystem in a way that, oh, shit, like that shit is cool.
However, as I said earlier,
like it's not about just having a token, right?
It's about like the ecosystem that you build on top of it.
And Pango is the perfect example.
And Azuki as well with anime is the perfect example
because anime.com, as I said earlier,
you're going to buy stickers,
you're going to buy this and that.
That's beautiful because you give them something to do,
something to be part of or just like to experience. So think that's a lot of things we we don't see a lot of things we see
only because our bags are involved uh and i think it will be so magically beautiful like later on
uh in a few in a few in a few years but also in a few months because like a lot of things is
happening so yeah very bullish yeah i'm not bullish on the Pudgy Vans collab that is being teased right now.
I worked for Vans for about five years.
I was a third team manager.
Hey, Kiro.
I know this is the Kiro show, but give us just a few more minutes on a different segment,
and we'll circle right back.
But I think it was Simple Farmer, and then we'll go to Cab and come right back to you, all right?
Hey, so I just really want to touch on that part of the conversation and Kaido's point earlier.
When we talk about experiences being built on top of tokens, whether that be stickers, subscriptions, DApps.
Guys, we're just talking about utility.
Use cases, it's okay.
It shouldn't be like a bad word when it comes to tokens.
It's bullish.
BTC has a ton of utility.
It's a very liquid token people accept btc for like the sale of houses you can use btc for perps for options
you can use btc and d5 protocols and get great yield these are great things that are also going
to occur for the pengu token for the ape for apecoin for the anime token. I saw Loki put in a long on anime, BTC.
I'm sorry, anime, Pengu, and ApeCoin.
I just think he's way ahead of the curve as usual.
This is a no-brainer here, guys.
These are super early ecosystems.
I know, I know.
I liked it.
I still liked it.
But it's all early.
These ecosystems, these chains, these coins. And as we continue to grow, people are going to build on the chains. People who build on the chains are going to build an experience and they're going to attach the coin to that experience. The great thing with the NFTs, as opposed to meme coins, is the NFTs already bring the heat with the community. When you get a coin attached to those NFTs, you have a fractionalized asset that you can put to work in a huge number of protocols.
We're talking significant use cases.
We're talking about becoming more liquid, being able to get more yield.
These are all bullish things.
And when investors come through and look at our coins,
they're not only going to see super strong communities with the NFTs that back them.
But now, as we progress in the future, and like I said,
I can only comment on ApeCoin because I work for ApeChain.
But as people look in the future, people are going to say,
okay, these tokens mean something.
And it doesn't just mean a picture of this, picture of this, picture of this.
It means I can use it for this use case, this use case.
I can put it into this DApp and earn yield.
I can feel comfortable accumulating 100K worth of this token
and feel comfortable holding it, not just so I can flip it for a 4X,
but knowing that it's a long-term store of value
damn that's dope simple uh Loki man I'm out bro I appreciate you um I'm gonna open up a
Mego space I just want to say Cab shout out to your proof appreciate you Kuro um Cab get the
fuck to work man pump the never mind yeah peace y'all thanks for showing up big rug appreciate
you as always um yeah but
thank you cab you're up i saw you drop down and come back up so hopefully you're doing good give
us a mic check would you yeah i kept i kept getting rugged as you know i'm just switching
phones dude i don't even know why i'm up here i think loki kind of like ninja put me up as speaker
and i didn't even know and then i heard heard you going like, Cap, you're next.
I was like, what?
But I'm here now, so I guess I'm next.
What are we talking about?
Like utility and tokens?
Yeah, pretty much.
The conversation kind of just swerved over to how those utility or how tokens give exposure
in an ecosystem and create interest and create new holders or
what have you just kind of circles around that whole thing no no no no we were talking about how
all the successful collection are exclusively on ethereum exactly
you see that now now you can look at the expression i'm waiting for your answer i know right
he's laughing he dropped his phone all of a sudden he's having technical difficulties
no i'm here i'm here i don't know i thought loki might have muted me but um
yeah uh not for long you know uh it's not just going to be ethereum collections but
um yeah as far as tokens go like
you guys know we haven't released one um i don't think we'll ever release a meme token um i heard
some chatter here about uh you know healthy tokens are most likely utility tokens that's
something that we believe in you know we look at every model out there from Fortnite to even air miles or things like that. And you have to,
you have to consider like, would, if, if you could sell air miles all of a sudden,
like if tomorrow, like they announced or even Fortnite bucks, like B bucks,
they announced tomorrow that you can just like sell it in secondary market.
Does the price of that token, does the utility of that token hold up in order to sustain its own economy um
question marks there but we do think about that a lot and i think as far as as our perspective
like for clay knows and everything else we do we just want a couple more um rails in place um and
taps and sinks before we really think of releasing a token. Like you mentioned, I forgot who mentioned about
Azuki, but it's like, we want a really strong, healthy ecosystem before we do something like
that. Will we do something like that? Most likely. But when it's time.
Oh, you heard it here first. You squoze them for the alpha.
Cab token is the ticker. Yeah, but don't worry, they're probably going to
large token units. They always choose that kind of blockchains.
Yeah, big fish, small pond.
Hey, Cab, last time we spoke on a Loki space, you didn't have David in your corner.
Tell me, you have a David, like Avengers, you have a Hulk.
What kind of energy is being unleashed?
Oh, man, it's insane. Internally, there's a lot of energy is being unleashed oh it's man it's insane um internally it's there's a lot
of energy actually forte is going to be in town this week um to come record everything and and
probably do some space with us we're having the off site so like every the whole team is going to
be in montreal this week to do some workshops david's going to pop by for a day um we're so
jazzed like we didn't want to rush anything as far as products on real shelves go
and all that kind of stuff. And with Dave, we're so confident about what we're going to be doing
in Asia. And you guys have to keep in mind, whatever you do in Asia has a huge snowball
effect in what happens in America as far as retail goes. And we're also next week going to announce
who we're working with for licensing so that'll be
super um super fun some people that know dave really well as well so it's a separate thing but
kind of like you say the avengers is like i don't know we have a knack for finding really great
people that love to work together so um i mean it's it's been so bullish and i think you know
we've been around for three years. I think every year the
company is substantially different from the previous year. And we just keep growing. But
we try not to grow too fast. Like, you know, it's easy to want to chase metas and things like that.
And we try to stay really pointed. And we have like, you know, we have a big picture
focus. That doesn't mean sometimes we don't do side quests, but we got to always ask ourselves,
how does this play into what we're really trying to do? The beauty of hiring a David,
bringing him on board, he's done the time. And by adding talent, you automatically add
those decades of experience and exposure and network. This is a hack.
This is something to pay attention to.
Congratulations.
And thank you for following me back, David.
Dude, I love that you said network.
That's something we don't take lightly
is he comes equipped with a huge, huge, huge network.
Think about any of the big toy companies right now
are definitely looking at the things he writes considering he was one of the big toy companies right now, um, are, are definitely looking at the things he writes. Um, considering he was one of the few, uh, one of the few thought leaders who like,
basically like even five years ago was predicting what was going to happen with Popmart when
everybody was like, nah, there's no way. And now it's doing what it's doing. And so, um, there's
a lot of people in the, in the toy and retail industry that look at, you know, whatever David's writing.
And so for us, it's like super bullish for him to even want to work with us.
So, you know, if everything goes right, we'll be in the right places.
And it'll feel like an overnight success, but it won't have been.
It'll have been years of us just staying focused and
busting our asses humble right but manifest and this is recorded when everything goes right
we are and we will continue to be in the right places
and let everybody go get on cardano no i'm just kidding
i think that was what loki said or something like that but yeah man uh hats off uh cap we
we appreciate everything ross did you have uh something you wanted to jump in there with
no i was just gonna say why cardano just go on xrp ledger and create an nft there i heard that
that you can do it i don't know if it's possible but apparently you can. But no, nothing else from me. Just love vibing with you guys.
And yeah.
Actually, Alpha.
Actually, Alpha.
I mean, like XRP army is insane.
Yes, there is a way to have NFTs.
Now, I'm not a technical person, but I remember there are like some sort of CryptoPunks on XRP.
I forgot, but there is like a website where you can get NFTs.
I don't know, if somebody knows, just tell me.
We have Achilles on stage.
Moonbirds, best performing NFT of the last two months.
How's it going there?
How are you doing? Thank you for having me guys and uh i love the space i mean uh finally i feel like
we're talking about nfts again we're kind of having this conversation and kind of debating
and that's something that reminded me of like 2021. We were in a space that I think sabotaged itself.
To be honest, like I really feel that we sabotaged itself.
And it's going to be a bit of an unpopular opinion.
That's why I wanted to go up.
I think that exclusivity has to be part of the mix.
Exclusivity for NFTs and kind of giving priority to holders and then dropping them
something exclusive a group where they could feel like they belong and no one else has access
i think i think that's something that that all of all of nft holders want deep down uh i agree with
the inclusivity that that podgees have done but at
the same time if you look at floor price floor price by itself is exclusivity so to be honest
like even even like uh luca said it like i i i heard them like on several podcasts he was
literally saying uh like we offered exclusivity and inclusivity at the same time and that's something that that he
was able to do with obviously floor price and then exclusive drops to holders I think that 2021 could
have continued had we not sabotaged ourselves I I don't know why they did it but when royalties
dropped that was that was a big blow for NFTs because those projects were living out of royalties.
And I don't think it's wrong.
I mean, when Gary Vee started talking about NFTs,
I went through, I minted VeeFriends.
And when he was talking about it,
it was the idea of you could literally have a house in Miami
and then sell that house.
But when you sell that house,
part of the smart contract would include royalties on the next sale.
So let's say the next sale happens
at a 20% premium or 30% premium.
Then you would get 5% of that sale.
And basically, you would keep on getting
those royalties as you go.
And you could discount the price at first
so you could keep getting those royalties as you go.
Those mechanisms are what excited all of us in 2021.
We were all like jumping on spaces,
talking about business models and structures
that we could use with NFTs.
And it goes far beyond like just collecting.
I collect paintings.
Personally, I collect art. I collect paintings. Personally, I collect art. I collect paintings,
so if there are any artists in the space who would love to chat, check your art. I love paintings,
and I think that paintings just give me that sense of closeness to the artists and that sense
of exclusivity, especially really rare paintings. So I I think in a nutshell, to summarize, I think you bring back royalties,
you create exclusivity, and then you kind of create that level of rarity
with like innovative business models.
I think NFTs could fly.
Moonbirds have a huge chance of flying.
I think SpencerTs could fly. Moonbirds have a huge chance of flying. I think Spencer understands the game and he was one of the first investors in
and in Pudgies, big investor.
He knows what what playing cards are.
He knows he knows the whole game.
He knows community.
He favors community.
And that's something that's super important.
Yeah. So I think royalties dropped us. Then the CC zero for Moonbirds. That's when I bought, I sold my, I minted Moonbirds and I sold at CC0 when, when, when, uh, Kevin Rose decided that let's go for CC0, no IP, bro. What the fuck? We're coming here for IP. And then you tell us no fucking IP. I mean, what the fuck is that logic?
I mint it on the basis of IP, and then you tell me,
hey, guess what?
The thing that you're holding, well, guess what?
You have no IP on it.
I mean, that was the funniest thing, I think,
that ever happened.
I don't know.
Some people even argued for it for some reason,
but I don't know.
Anyway, I think Azuki have a huge chance.
Someone said beans are the future.
I really think beans are the future.
I'm holding, most of my holdings in Azuki are in beans.
I hold also a dark spirit.
I think spirits are extremely, extremely valuable,
extremely valuable.
And Azuki's OGs, of course,
like the grails are going to fetch good prices moving forward.
Everything that we have,
Moonbirds, Apes, Azuki's, Doodles,
Doodles is so underrated.
I think those guys,
I mean, once you have those NFT treasury companies,
just think about it.
Those guys too, they're all being fired.
I mean,
all of the OG,
someone called them
dinosaur collections
and those dinosaur collections,
right?
Think about,
think about treasury,
NFT,
NFT treasury,
like funds,
like,
like literally
funds buying NFTs
on ETH to kind of basically kind of stake ETH with NFTs.
I think that would create a huge business model.
But yeah.
Thanks, bro.
You basically recap everything we talked about.
uh great take so we we got luna we got luna another one that share a la booboo voice like me
Great take.
welcome on stage i never thought my voice sounded like a little booboo voice i just know it sounds
like i have a stupid question because i like achilles points uh the only thing i'll say
because he's he has too many pretty nfts and he's he's way richer than me so i'll just to say that
he's right for 99 of everything um one thing is like i like like royalties are interesting because
there was a steady flow of we'll just call it revenue right there's a steady flow of, we'll just call it revenue, right? There's a steady flow of revenue or Ethereum coming in every day, every week, whatever,
when people are trading, selling, buying, whatever.
But there was an interesting argument, I forget who did it because it's been a million years ago,
that royalties make you lazy because you're not actively building anything because you don't have
to, which I think is interesting. I think because it's also very difficult, right? Because you need
money to do stuff. That's also a constant. It's just interesting. And the reason why I raised my hand is when, Achilles,
you're talking about buying your minting Moonbirds for IP. And I think that's cool.
And I think it's interesting because I see a lot of people talking about IP rights this,
IP rights that. But 99.9% of people in this space don't do anything with it. It's cool
to say, well, I have the rights to this, but if you're not really doing anything with it,
does it really matter if you have a license or it's CC0? I mean, like, functionally, sure,
if you want to do something, it's better to have the ability to act on it, but most people don't.
want to do something, it's better to have the ability to act on it, but most people don't.
Like, 99% of this space, I, like, even I talk about it, and I'm in this weird, like, stuck,
I have a couple ideas, I've prototyped some things, but it's hard to move forward. I will
say I actually just did something, so hopefully that'll be coming out soon. But yeah, like,
99% of people, they don't do jack shit. And it's cool to hold a license,
but if you don't, then fucking cares, right?
Yeah, Luna, I agree.
I mean, the IP was a selling point before,
but then nobody really went for it.
Can I get the right to reply?
Just one sentence?
Yeah, yeah, wait, wait, wait, wait.
I go to you next.
Thanks, Luna, thank you so much. So we are like, I see wait, wait, wait. I go to you next. Thanks, you wanna thank you so much.
So we are like, I see Steve G in the audience is one of the ones that try to build around this IP,
Hatsuki and Padg.
I mean, maybe in the future we will see this, because we have AI, it's easier to create content.
But I mean, the early adopters weren't really people building business.
So inevitably, you don't do anything with your IP.
On royalties, yes, you read it from Zagamon. Zagamon just put out a tweet like that saying, yes, royalties
was heavy on the industry, but actually push us forward and you see Pudgy where they go.
So I think royalties make sense. I mean, probably before the percentage were a little bit too high,
but it makes total sense for artists where artists where artists just produce art and they don't do
a 10k collection and getting so many funds.
But it doesn't make sense if you are in the IP character business.
If you are a brand, you have some sort of North Star to get, you have a business to, I mean, why would I pay royalties for
a picture of Pudgy Fiverr art?
Like, what are we talking about?
So, I think that's good for our industry that we got rid of royalties and look where we
are now.
Okay, let's go i just wanted to say that i come from the finance
field so i uh the point of of like having the rights to ip sometimes you don't need to do
something with it but at some point that creates uh an inner and like a value for the asset that you could leverage.
And now that we have the green light on liquid staking, on DeFi protocols,
all of a sudden, the IP part, if you look at, I don't know,
a Picasso sitting there in a vault, I mean, what does it do?
It doesn't do anything.
Do you have IP on it?
Yeah, of course, because you have the certificate. And then what can you do with it? Well, you could
leverage it. You could potentially have it used somewhere. I'm not saying that all of those NFTs
are going to have the same value or the same IP usability. But as a collective, when you have the
IP, you could potentially lend, could potentially create uh some kind of financial
structure on top of it so there are many ways that you could leverage ip from a legal perspective
i mean originally i'm a financial lawyer so i do these things and and so yeah so you could leverage
with by building financial structures and doing financial engineering on top of it
Sorry for replying and taking time, but I wanted to answer on that.
sorry for replying and taking time but that's i wanted to answer on that
Kira, thanks for Achilles. Who was next?
I think Ross, then Luna, Kyda, Aurelius.
Sure, yeah, I think Achilles shared a really good point of leverage,
so I won't repeat that part.
I pinned something to the top of the Jumbotron, where, you know, in Paji, licensing and IP
are really important. I mean, the community loves it because you get to see your IP come to life,
right? That's something that feels very special. I have not been lucky enough to be selected,
but it's fine. I'm still hopeful that one day it might happen.
But to address the concern that someone brought up earlier,
like, you know, you have it, but you don't use it.
So that's why I really like what the Paji team have built,
which is called Overpass, where it's a really seamless way.
If you're a company and you want to license Penguins,
and then the Penguins can just submit, and then you can get selected,
and then there's either revenue share, royalty, whatever.
There's a few different ways that you can earn from it.
So it's really nice because it makes people feel that sense of,
wow, I can see my penguin or my character come to life,
whether it's a collectible, a playing card, a toy on the shelf.
And I've met holders where their toys got printed and sold in Walmart and stuff.
And they're just like, they become like the champions of the brand, the ambassadors.
You know, so much more than they were even before, right?
10x from what they love the brand now, they really, really love the brand.
So I think IP is really important.
Being able to license it really important.
Paji did a great job.
And I'm not just saying that because I'm part of the Paji ecosystem, but
I'm saying that genuinely because they've got a great
system set up that it's really
quite seamless. And so
that's just something to be happy of.
Of course, not everybody gets selected, so that's
always the bummer, right? There's only a limited number
of slots, but
like Achilles said, just having that
power to leverage is really important.
If you're really entrepreneurship and
you've got that creativity, I know
many holders who create their own artwork, they sell
their own toys for themselves
and stuff. So, like I said,
in Web3, I think I mentioned earlier
that creativity is
the limit of your imagination.
You can create whatever you want.
It's a decentralized world in you know, in Web3.
So, you know, it's really exciting.
And I think IP gives a lot of value, you know, to a project that...
And I'm just thinking, just talking about this,
I'm reminded of something that someone said to me
when I was trying to explain to them, right,
the concept of IP and Pajipenguins,
because this was a Web2 person.
They didn't understand it.
They were a bit older and they were like, can't i just copy this picture and then i have
the picture for myself and doesn't that like reduce the value and i i the idea that came to
my mind was like you know you can buy a fake rolex but that doesn't devalue a real rolex right
in fact if anything it just creates a bigger and bigger user base uh because at the end of the day
the rolex ip let's just call it a ro IP, right, is still very, very strong,
right, regardless of anybody who tries to copy it.
And so I think that that was a good analogy, like, you know, that IP and being able to
license something, being able to earn from it, really, really important parts, building
blocks of good community backing when it comes to NFT projects.
Yeah, that's just a bit from me.
Sorry I took a bit of time extra,
but passing back to you, Loki, to pick the next person.
Hey, thanks, Ross.
Luna?
Yeah, I won't take up too much time.
I was just adding on kind of what I was talking about earlier
because it seems relevant to the
overall conversation. Honestly, I get it. You know, I also wasted a lot of time in law school.
So like I get like the potential and use it and like having it and being able to leverage the
potential of IP is important. I get that. It's kind of one of those like thought experiment
questions where like, you know where if you have it but
don't use it, do you really have it? But obviously, if you're looking either from a creative standpoint
or a financial standpoint, I'd rather have it and not use it than be able to not use it if I want to.
There was something else I just wanted to say, but my brain is literally so cooked
with like a million web two things going on right now.
Um, overpass is really cool.
Being able to use your IP is really cool.
And I'd definitely rather just have, oh no, I remember what it was.
Shit.
It'll be quick.
Um, Ross just mentioned, uh, like fake Rolexes and, and how the existence of knockoffs or,
you know, shameless copying doesn't devalue the original.
And I just also wanted to agree because let's say like, you know, there are millions of counterfeit like Louis Vuitton bags out there.
And it's really hard for them to, even though they as a, the brand doesn't want people to associate the cheap product with the real one.
And the fact that there are, there's a,
there's a gray market out there shows that there's desirability from the
original and it gives,
and it's interesting because it also kind of like for some people,
not everyone, it gives you something to work towards.
So it's interesting that you see like...
And this is slightly different, but let's say like a secondary collection, right?
Like maybe you buy into the Pudgy ecosystem by getting a little Pudgy or an Izuki Elemental.
And then you see all the extra rights and either airdrop allocations or whatever other opportunities
that the OG collection has.
And you're like, man, how cool would life be if I could get an OG Izuki?
I could get a Bored Ape instead of a Mutant.
I could get a Pudgy instead of a Little Pudgy.
So it's definitely really cool and I definitely think having these types of conversations is overall the right direction we should be thinking for this space in the future.
So, yeah, I'm going to shut up now. Thanks.
Don't worry, my brain is scrambled too, Luna.
I loved your take, and I can say this.
Manifest that shit.
I will own an ape. I will own, manifest that shit. I will own an ape.
I will own a Nezuki.
I will win.
And so who was next, Loki?
Not all at once.
I don't like hands, but I get it.
Everybody is here to contribute with minimal chaos.
is here to contribute with minimal chaos.
Well, Loki, if you're busy, if you're preoccupied, don't worry.
I turned off my shower for the time being.
We've gone for an hour.
I'm farming, bro. Just say a name. Just call somebody with a hand.
You're aura farming. Okay, let's go for it.
Let's go down the list. Let's start with Aurelius.
I know the pink bearish by name.
Kiaro, thank you so much, loki hope you're well um i just want to chime in on the one of the points that ross made and i
think in terms of utilizing ip sometimes it's it's it's a bit difficult for a number of people
because you don't know what you don't know um and one of the things that Luca and the team have done, in my opinion,
is that they've created a mechanism in which it is quite seamless
in which people can utilise their LOWs and their BIGs IP
because they do a lot of the heavy lifting in which it doesn't really take,
and I don't mean to be rude when I say this,
but it doesn't really take much on the part of the individual
other than having the collateral in which to actually buy that particular PFP.
I think one of the things that I'd like to see across that, that obviously Luke is leading the way with,
but what I'd like to see across, you know, abstract, ape chain,
whatever platforms that we're utilizing at this moment in time is a similar mechanism for those types of chains as well so it just gives people the opportunity to explore utilization of IP and maybe guide them a
bit more because you know back to my original point you don't know what you don't know so
therefore it might seem quite alien it might seem a lot it might seem more difficult than it maybe
actually is and you know some people haven't got the time in which to navigate
the intricacies of utilizing IP, yet you could stick your PFP
on a T-shirt or a product, et cetera.
But, you know, launching it into a market and having the skills
in which to be able to do that, I think that's something
that's very bespoke and it doesn't lend itself to everyone's strengths.
So just in my opinion, I think the reason that we don't see the utilization of p sorry r.i.p as as much as we
probably would is because we're not quite at the stage in which it's a seamless process in which
to do um and and yeah i mean there's there's a lot lot of ways in which we can do this,
of which some of the speakers have discussed already,
so I won't go over that.
But, I mean, it'll be cool to see if, you know,
people like Simple Farmer there pulls his finger out on Ape Chain
and sorts something out like that for us.
Or if, you know, Tully, Scotty, you know, Luca, et cetera,
they pull it together on abstractss whatever it may be but um what
i will say is my final point is don't get me wrong i don't expect that other people should
be doing the heavy lifting for you um it just might it just might mean that um as a community
we might need to help educate uh individuals so that they know exactly how to go about it
that's lovely i've pinned to the top the
casting call for the little pudgy show let's keep the hands going i saw kato and ross let's have a
ross input on the pudgy ip convo oh i also want to say that uh aurelius has an amazing voice it was
so smooth it's the kind of voice that you just want to listen to all night like really that's
amazing love it love it bro uh yeah love the points you brought up as well i think just one
thing i wanted to add was like um i think because we're all in webtree we're all in blockchain and
stuff we forget how revolutionary this idea of owning an ip is before the blockchain before
decentralized finance you would never be able to own like a
piece of Disney IP, a piece of, you know, a Coca-Cola or something like that. It would be
unheard of, right? Game publishers, movie companies, Disney, all the other big IP companies,
they own everything, right? When you spend money, that money goes straight to the company, 100%.
But NFTs, blockchain and stuff, which has only been around for a few years, NFTs and stuff, have given us the power to take ownership of IP.
And like Aureli said, it's actually still pretty new.
There are a lot of people who don't know.
My dad is learning about penguins from me.
And when he sees a penguin, he's like, is this your penguin?
And then he sees another penguin.
He's like, is this your penguin?
I'm like, no, no, no, it hasn't proliferated that far,
but it is on stickers and stuff, right? So it is pretty new and we've got a lot of education to do for the wider public, right? When you own an IP, what can you do with it? This belongs to you.
And I think when people realise that sense of ownership, this is mine. I can call it my own.
Then they feel a little bit more empowered,
like, okay, I can just create stuff.
You know, chat GPT is there.
So much AI is there.
You can literally just make things.
And I didn't get it at first.
I owned my little Paji for like a year
and I didn't do anything with it.
I was just part of the community, right?
This year, I started making stickers,
printing it on stuff. I made t-shirts. Every. I was just part of the community, right? This year, I started making stickers, printing it on stuff.
I made t-shirts.
Every time I go to a blockchain conference, I print a big t-shirt with my little paji on it.
People immediately know and take pictures.
And that's part of having fun with the IP, right?
I own it.
It's mine.
And so I think when people realize that, definitely we're going to see a lot more creators in the space. But yeah, sorry, just want to add on a little bit of that.
Back to you, Cairo.
Yeah. Ross, Ross, Ross. No, I'm going to see a lot more creators in the space. But yeah, sorry, just want to add on a little bit of that. Back to you, Cairo. Yeah.
Ross, Ross, Ross.
No, I'm going to enter here.
Ross, absolutely love your take.
You are officially nominated to be one of our regular here.
Second great question and take.
No, I want to add on this.
Yeah, great point.
Because I've been here like three, four years, 24 seven.
I don't go out, as you know.
So I tend to forget the normal life, the normal world.
And yeah, it's still pretty new.
And then we have AI that can, I mean,
it's changing potentially everything also for IP proliferation.
One thing that I wrote, I think a couple of years ago when I used to write stuff instead of ship posting is think of some IPs that are now completely dead. And they don't have anymore any kind of sort of treasury or hope to go back to life.
hope to go back to life.
One opportunity for those owner will be to
fractionalize it and give the power to now they have
an army of IP holders and who knows what can happen.
I mean, they will try to resurrect the IP with
this new model that probably Pudgy showed to the world.
I think in the future we will see somebody trying this.
Because for founders of that IP,
they don't have any more,
they have empty banks.
What can they lose?
Nothing.
So I think some of them will try this way.
All right, let's continue the conversation.
I saw Kato with his hand up.
And apologies, if I don't call on you,
re-raise your hand because the X removes your hand
after a couple of minutes.
So Kato, I remember your hand was up.
Yeah, no, just like, first of all,
thank you for the space.
Okay, as usual, I have to go very soon
because the boss, aka girlfriend, is coming up for dinner. So, you know, first of all, thank you for the space. As usual, I have to go very soon because the boss,
aka girlfriend, is coming up for dinner.
So, you know, it is.
But look, the thing is this, right?
Like, I feel like it comes down to opportunities and education.
And I couldn't expect less from Aurelius
because Berish is one of those examples.
And also like at Final Boss, we are trying to get there.
Is where you need to educate your community, right?
And you need to be the first community
that understands what you're doing, right?
Which I know it sounds silly,
but a lot of people get that wrong, a lot.
And we have seen it all,
because we are kind of like all of these here.
So I think that it comes down to opportunities
in a sense that some opportunities,
actually majority of the
opportunities are not yet here. Like, you know, it's beautiful to see, you know, call to action,
casting call. And it has been beautiful to see, for example, with Azuki, when the IPs of us,
like holders were like streamlined on the episode, right? Like, it's beautiful to see those
things. But like, probably, you know, as for Penguin,
but for everyone in this space,
probably not all the opportunities are there.
Probably 5%, not even,
1% of like all the opportunities is in front of our eyes.
How to increase that is definitely expansion of the IP
towards, you know, Web3, Web2,
the expansion of IPs towards fans and customers.
And on the other side, also the opportunities in education,
because you can multiply these opportunities and this percentage
by the expectation that the team is going to do,
but also by the education that the community has within each other.
And again, I bring this up as an example, Azuki,
because it's one of the biggest examples, in my opinion,
from my perspective and from my journey in Web3,
where they have an ecosystem of builders
that build some dope shit,
and some people that were not acculturated about it
or not educated about it,
they were like, oh, shit, but look at these guys.
They're dying in a spiral here
because they're just building
between the community for the community.
Well, everyone should point at that.
Everyone should have like a community
that builds within like the community.
And then it's up to the team as well
to bring it up, that expansion
that's going to bring always like more people in.
But that ecosystem, if it works,
it means that it can be expanded, right?
So I guess that's what I'm trying to say is that
IP is very important. IP rights are very important. I just think that sometimes we cannot visualize
them. We cannot really like touch them. They're not tangible in everyone's mind just because
sometimes, you know, we look at bags, we are like short-sighted and it's not offensive stuff,
right? It's fine. I get it, right? Like when you're a kid and you start education,
you don't look at education for your life.
You just look at that as a thing that you have to do, right?
And same here.
Like we look at having fun trading.
We look at having fun building our bags, changing our lives,
trying to find paths and such.
And I guess that that's like where we are,
like in that stage where education matters and the communities that are educated, not by a team, but by the culture that are built on top of that brand and IP, those are the ones that are going to lead the space towards new horizons and going to lead the entire crypto world to new horizons.
So I think that that's like my stand on IP.
But yeah, thank you again, guys.
It was lovely to be here today.
Loki, I know you're a maxi on FinalBosu.
I know that we support the abstract company they're building.
Kato, I look forward to what you provide for your holders,
and I look forward to FinalBosu succeeding.
I look forward to final votes who's succeeding.
Mak, I see your hand.
Mak.
Mark, if Ellie in the building, I see your hand.
Yes, sir.
I just wanted to say NFTs are inevitable.
And if you don't have a bag right now, here in the near future,
you're going to be very upset that you don't.
You know what I'm saying?
This isn't even a question anymore.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, I was in a Solana chat,
a trader chat, they were like, bro, NFTs aren't doing nothing.
And I was like, guys, you really aren't really paying attention to what's going on.
And, you know, that's all I really wanted to say.
I'm everywhere I shouldn't be and everywhere I need to be right now.
I love you all because you all believe in NFTs.
And, hey, come catch me on the other side, and I'll give you some NFTs.
Bro, Mac, you just said you were playing yesterday with the bubbles.
How do you enter the other side for those of us who are new?
Oh, yes, sir.
Oh, listen.
Oh, man, this isβoh, I love this right here, guys.
Everybody pay attention.
Come on, come on, come on, come on.
I need y'all to go to useglyph.io.
That's U-S-E-G-L-Y-P-H dot I-O, okay?
You'll be able to sign up with an email,
a Twitter account,
any of those social acclimates, right?
You get into your UseGlyph wallet, right?
Then you're going to open up a Google browser
and you're going to type in
going to type in launch.otherside.xyz. That's L-A-U-C-H dot O-T-H-E-R-S-I-D-E dot X-Y-Z.
launch.otherside.xyz.
Now, if you have a PC, you can download the client and hit the M2 launcher, install it into your PC,
and this will keep you in-world even when you're not active. If not, if you just want to go into
the Google browser, you can just type that in, hit enter into the world, and you will automatically spawn into the swamp.
You know, it'll give you the option.
You also have an option to play bathroom glitch, which is a 4v4, 6v6, 8v6 player game that is the Board of Yacht Club bathroom.
And, yo, it's so fully detailed and amazing and immersive.
Guys, the other side is live.
I see the faces on the stage.
It's live, baby.
We are active and attractive.
We also have a little group in there of me and the homies who have been doing the other games.
And, you know, using the basic mechanics and social dynamics that we all love in Twitter spaces and stuff,
we've created a lot of fun and excitement and been giving away.
We've given away over about 20,000 apes in prizes the past 16 days alone you know what i'm saying and um we're going
to continue you know what i'm saying we are a self-funded group right now but you know we are
taking donations and stuff we have a lot of founders that reached out we appreciate all the
support and love but we are moving and uh we want you to join us. This is, you know, we used to think about crypto and it'd be hard to tell somebody that
you're going to, yo, I need to explain DeFi to them, how to set up a wallet, how to do
all these things.
Well, that's the past, my friends.
And you get to take place in this social experiment right now.
When they opened up the bubbles, like literally all you got to do is open the glyph, get in
the other side and you're on chain.
You know what I'm saying?
I can send you ApeCoin in there, peer-to-peer.
I can send you NFTs.
You can change through avatars like G's on Ape, the CODAs, the Bored Ape Yacht Club, Mutants coming soon, as well as other collections to be announced.
Hopefully, if Husker, you know, gets a little pingo our way, we can get the penguins in there because we'd love to host the penguins in the swamp and on the other side.
I'm going to tell you right now, I'm part of community outreach and stuff like that for other games.
And we really would love everybody from every other chain to come and visit us on the other side, participate in the games.
This Web3 thing of ours is a global sensation.
And every of you, all of you have been here for a really long time.
So please, my friends, come join us on the other side.
There he is, Machiavelli. A pleasure having you every Sunday to see Justin Bieber with your sweet, croony voice.
I will DM you. I love playing, and I have a few characters I would love the other side.
Loki, did you see any hands?
X is removing hands.
Oh, Rafa.
Loki, we're going to take it to Rafa.
Rafa, you can unmute.
Hi, guys.
What's up?
Achilles, what's up?
Kiro, Loki, my man.
Enlo.
Hope you all are good.
Machavelli seems as if you're just in my head,
my man, my man, like just in my head.
I really loved you, like your statement of facts.
I'm not quite heavy on NFTs.
I got into NFTs in 2022 and I didn't really fare well.
I got burned.
I bought some projects thinking we're going to be the next blue chip.
I didn't know I was dashing these young devs, my money,
and my money never came back well.
But no, no, no.
These are really very valuable lessons.
You know, get to learn a lot of things.
How the space really works.
What pushes stuff.
What moves the needle.
But I do agree with Machiavelli.
I do think NFTs are going to come back.
I do think they are highly underrated.
I think they lack a lot of value.
Like, where I come from, I think NFTs will solve a lot of things that, like, government is not really paying attention to.
NFTs will just, you know, solve it, twinkle of an eye.
So, you see, they unlock a huge value props, even down to IPs.
And I do agree with the speaker who said that, you know, just having the options of IP, you know, is actually like, you know, a great plus.
I do have an issue, though.
I think anyone who's trying to play the NFT playbook should actually be mindful of, you know, narrative cycles.
Because NFTs, I think they are entering maturation points.
So you have to be really careful with what you are,
you know, you're bidding and what you are trying to,
you know, trying to do here.
The problem, like I said, the problem I have, you know,
with entering these maturation points is
we might not have as much speculation power
as 2021, 2022. I do hope that printer turns on so that
kind of creates like a barrier to entry of you know you just look at it pages
you're really quite expensive for most people you know well I think you know
just have an eye for you know for very good better place and you know definitely
understand have an eye for very good better place place. And, you know, definitely stand up.
Have a night for a very good, better place.
And, you know, try and take profits along the way.
And hopefully, if you get to hold that blue chip, get to print.
So that's just like the way I look at the NFT market right now.
Vranfa, great observation.
Congratulations for being in the game for three years.
And I do agree.
It's all about having an exit strategy.
You can hold and round trip just like we did in 2021.
But remember, when you look at real life expenses, real life bills and real life assets, sometimes it's worth taking profit and worth rotating back in when there's retracing.
So, Loki, we're going to close the space.
We've been open since 8 a.m. U.S. time zone,
and it's been two hours and 55 minutes of insights
and lots of great, great conversation from leaders, founders, artists, collectors,
and NFT lovers and DJs.
So Loki, thank you for having us here at Proof of Alpha.
Hope your ex and iPhone update the app,
yes AP for next week.
It's Kiro, community manager and CMO of Kuga.
I look forward to playing with all of you in the future.
Loki, take it away. Wait.
