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Recorded: April 27, 2025 Duration: 2:28:04Space Recording
Short Summary
The crypto community is witnessing a bullish resurgence, with significant project launches and partnerships on the horizon. Notable developments include the early access release of Goblin Town's video game, the mainnet launch of Off the Grid, and strategic collaborations aimed at enhancing user engagement and growth.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yo, yo. Loki, can you hear me?
Yo. Yeah, sorry. I was sending links to everybody.
I just need five seconds.
Yeah, I was sitting in silence, so I don't know.
I didn't know if you wanted to start or if I was supposed to start, but it got weird.
We were three minutes in total silence, so I wanted to make the first step.
No, there was music. So weird. I was playing the music.
So it wasn't silent for me, but it's weird that it doesn't show up.
I didn't hear any music. Panel, did you hear music? I didn't. No up i didn't hear any music panel did you hear music
i didn't no i didn't hear any music sorry yeah nobody heard music yeah it was just in your head
no i heard music well why are you guys gaslighting loki there was definitely music
thank you bro thank you for supporting but i think i think Twitter kind of banned me or whatever.
I got a weird mail, say content issue.
I think it's a scam.
But anyway, I didn't get paid yesterday.
Everybody was posting like, yo, I got like five times more, ten times more.
And I was like, shit, I didn't get.
Skill issue. Yeah.
Anyway, let's see.
Okay, we got, we we got we got enough people here
so let me yeah i mean welcome guys thanks well for helping costing uh what a what a week
do you guys feel it i fucking feel. Like we are back to being bullish.
We have timeline talking about stuff that usually just me and you talk about.
And even Gary Vee is back.
Even Gary Vee is back.
So let me do a quick recap of the week.
Of course, we got Pengu inviting the timeline.
We will have the Pudgy Penguins team showing up later.
Now there is an inner eye glue at the same time.
I didn't know that.
Then we got the Artifact Drama.
That's so fun.
It's been solved, I think.
But still something to talk about. Then we got Bored Ape 40 year anniversary and announcing
the next Ape Fest, which is in Las Vegas. Then, yeah, Gary Vee started to, I mean, actually Gary
Vee never really stopped. A lot of people are not really aware that Vee Friends still work,
of people are not really aware that VFriends still work, just like a different audience than
our city. So they have their own specific audience. VFriends still keep building during the
during the bear. But yeah, we have Gary V coming back on his profile. Bullpussy NFTs and BeFriends. Then we got Pokemon NFTs.
They call it medals.
Basically, they're badges.
But what surprised me is they're tradable.
So we have to say that the app called Pokemon Home is not really that popular.
But still something.
Still something.
I mean, we're getting there.
Then we got off the grid, ODG, going mainnet this week. So they will start to distribute
validators and we will see like how many transactions they will be able to do.
we will see like how many transactions they will be able to do.
And we will see the price action of the token.
Pretty, pretty huge.
And then we got Goblin Town.
We have a very fun, as always, farm marketing, fun event in New York City.
They have, we have AGT here.
So I think we can start, we can start with giving you the stage.
Because, yeah, what you guys are doing, it's pretty, pretty fun.
So I want to hear more from you.
Yeah, for sure.
What's up, man?
Thanks for having me.
Appreciate you inviting me.
Do you have a specific question or do you want me to tell you about what we're cooking up?
Yeah, just tell everybody what you guys are cooking.
I mean, I'm pretty bullish on your game.
I think it's a game designed to be viral.
So, yeah, just tell us what you guys are cooking.
Yeah, sure.
So, hi, everyone.
I'm Alex, or AJT.
I'm one of the co-founders of Truth, and we made Goblin Town.
So, yeah, we've been working on a game. Well, actually, before I even get into the game, there's sort there's like three things that we're working on.
One is a graphic novel,
which is basically the source material
for like our universe.
Two is an animation show,
which we're pretty far along.
We have like a five minute animatic
and we're talking to a lot of different networks
and studios about making it real.
And then video games.
And so we are releasing our first video game.
It's going to early access on Wednesday, so this week.
You'll be able to play it on Epic Games and Steam.
And it is just a classic.
There's no Web3 components to it.
It is just supposed to be a fun game first.
We have sort of a thesis
internally that we should make a game that is fun first before we start to add any components
whether it's web three or otherwise because if you don't have a fun game no amount of web three
will save you and so that's like the brand side you you call it Web2 side or brand side.
And then the other side is obviously we have entities.
We have some plans that we can't really talk about yet, but we're cooking some fun things
around things that people have been asking for us for some time.
You know, we are one of the first or one of, let's say, the more popular meme NFTs.
And so there have been a lot of requests for a lot of different things.
But we're never really first, even historically, if you look back at what we've done,
even Goblin Town.
Actually, I'd say Goblin Town is more of a bookend of, you know, NFTs than it was,
you know, a first mover.
We definitely did a few things that were different and new and exciting, but we're never really the ones to sort of say or to do something and be the first to do it.
We usually just come in and do it a little differently or we turn it on its head.
And so, you know, when people like are like, oh, you should do a token, you should do ordinals, you should do this. You should do that. Or you should go on Solana.
It's like, well, you know, everyone's sort of doing that.
Like, what could we do that's different there?
That would be fun and interesting.
And so for some of those things, we figured out what we want to do.
That is different and interesting and fun.
And so in the next, like, you know, 60 days,
you'll start to see a lot more Web3 stuff coming out from us. But yeah, so in terms of the game, game comes out in early access
on Wednesday. And to sort of kick it off, we had an event in New York this past week. So last Sunday,
I was actually supposed to come to this. Sorry, look, I couldn't make it., Sunday, Monday, and Tuesday in New York city, we, um, have a truck.
Uh, so the game is essentially a delivery game.
Um, it is a mix of like crazy taxi and only up, um, would probably be the best way I would
describe it.
So, um, uh, in 2023, Goblin Town was very involved with, uh, the sort of proliferation
of only up. We with the sort of proliferation of Only Up.
We met the creator of it.
It was like this 17-year-old kid from Kazakhstan.
I just happened to see someone playing the game at like 2 o'clock in the morning on TikTok.
And I looked up the game.
I was like, wow, this game would be Goblin Town if we ever made a game.
And so I saw the creator had like 30 followers on Twitter, had about 500 downloads at the
time.
I reached out and I said, hey, can you just add a goblin into your game?
I reached out.
He didn't respond to me for the first few times.
And then I was like, hey, we've got like 100,000 followers on Twitter.
I want to send them all to your game, but we need to add some sort of goblin related
thing into it.
So he responded and we ended up coming to a deal where he added it to the hoodie and he added a goblin related thing into it. So he responded and we ended up coming to a deal where he added it to
the hoodie and he added a goblin mask. And then we promoted it to our community as well as I think
just the wider web three community, you know, world sort of started to pick it up. And by the
end, this was the first week of June, by the end of June, the game had about 200,000 downloads.
It was a $10 game. And by the end of july over half a million downloads total
and uh and then in like august september he sort of pulled like a flappy bird where he just like
sort of took the game down he went to college and the kid made like a few million bucks so
he's sitting nicely um we tried for a long time to buy it from him um he didn't he just wanted to
let it sort of live and then die. I'm sure he'll be back eventually
and make another game. But every gaming VC thought we made the game. And they started
hitting us up because the game was making like 100 grand a day at one point. And so we
were like, no, we're going to make the game. But we started to realize we had like sort
of this once in a lifetime opportunity or like generational opportunity to build, take our IP and build,
build fun games. And so that started a long process of like merging two companies. And then
for the past sort of year, we've been building a little bit of an internal gaming studio,
as well as experimenting with people outside. But really, we found that this stuff in-house was the best.
And so the game is called Goblin Town, a really hard driving game.
The way we look at it is Goblin Town is our main character,
in the same way that the island is the main character of Fortnite.
And so obviously Epic has thousands of engineers and employees that, you know, every two weeks they can do a patch update every quarter they can do a new season.
We obviously don't have those resources. So the way we're approaching it is we're just introducing an experience, call it a season experience, whatever, inside of Goblin Town where you can you can learn about the place or you can do some fun or something fun.
where you can learn about the place
or you can do some fun or something fun.
And sort of as time goes on,
we want to introduce more and more experiences
to this place where can we get to a point
where there's a really big, quick turnaround
and something happening in the real world
and us wanting to introduce it into the game.
So not that different than like a South Park style
where something happens in the world, within a week they're turning it around and they're making it an episode.
And it's like if something happened in the real world, you know, in the example I gave, it's probably a pretty crass example.
But like, you know, Diddy gets arrested. We want to add like Diddy's white party mansion into the game.
Do we have enough assets and places there where we can do like
i think someone released like an escape from a ditty party in like a steam game i saw and like
could we do something funny like that that like continues to leverage what's happening in the real
world and and staying relevant and so um but this game is super fun you're basically it's like a
vertical death run in a delivery truck and so we had this delivery
truck so for anyone who was in nfts in 2022 when goblin town came out we um we did this event in
new york city where um it was nft nyc and we had steve aoki in uh uh like a basement for like two
300 people uh playing at like two o'clock in the morning.
And that was like the first, uh, Goblin town party that we did. And it was sort of this wild
thing. We actually had over a thousand people on the street, the New York fire department,
um, chief had to come down and shut down the street. And, um, anyway, we had this burger
truck, this McGoblin burger truck, where we actually gave out just free burgers and we
were giving out to everyone, uh, on the street And we were giving out to everyone on the street.
We were giving out to homeless people.
It was really nice.
People loved it.
My only regret is we just didn't continue it.
We should have just continued it and just, like, had it in New York going around.
Now, we brought it back about a year ago in like 2024 at an NFT NYC.
I think last year was NFT NYC.
Although I think we do like every, I feel like there's an NFT NYC every like month or so.
But we did it last year, last like April.
And the idea was to just keep it going and keep it on.
And so we had it for that.
And then we actually brought it to the Pudgy Penguin Party and a few other places.
And then we started to do it and then we realized the guy that was running it was an actual crazy person
um so we ended up having to get divorced from him he was not even for goblin town he was not a good
representation of the brand he just would have like random fights with people uh with us also
and so we ended up um divorcing him and in the divorce we we got the truck and so like we don't really want
this truck like what are we gonna do this truck and this is before we started building the the
game um that was very centered on the truck and so we ended up giving it to a community member
uh there's a guy in our community uh he goes by the name icy and um he had always had this dream
of building a ice cream truck a gob Goblin Town ice cream truck. And so
we gave him the truck and the truth DAO basically gave him a bunch of money to start it.
And we shipped it to Florida. And he was on his like path to be to making this like truck,
this ice cream truck. And I swear to God, every month, something else would happen. The truck was like cursed.
Every month something else would happen to the truck.
Ranging from he went to Japan and rats ate through the wiring.
And so it wouldn't drive anymore.
Some kids vandalized it.
And if you look at my feed, you can go back and look at it.
Vandalized it.
They took the bone off the front and cracked the window.
So it was like more authentically Goblin Town. And it just kept um it like became like just a curse and so i see not knowing what we were actually specifically building but he's like i don't really want the
truck anymore i will i will um i will uh just give it back to you guys i will find a different
truck for my ice cream dreams and so at the same time we sort of wanted the truck back because we
were doing this we were building you know the really hard driving game and so uh we
ended up taking the truck back about a month or two ago and then we decided to just it's not meant
to serve burgers um so we ripped out the inside and we we like souped it up with like a bunch of
gaming rigs and so inside there's like a gaming rig like sort of like thrown like a goblin throne um and then on the outside there's like three stations where you
can just like play the game and um even when i even when he got back to new york it was still
plagued by problems it was it was impound by new york sanitation because i didn't have a driving
license uh sorry i didn't have a um a car. Sorry, I didn't have a car license.
It's like a cursed truck. But we ended up souping up and getting it ready. And we ended up partnering with Days Cannabis in New York. They have a spot. It's a cannabis dispenser in Union Square. And
they let us put the truck in front of their place on 420, which was really great. And so we did 420,
421, and 422 right outside there.
There's a bunch of like high schools in the area and elementary schools in the area.
And we basically did Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, where if you come and play the game and if you
beat it on the first try, we will give you $10,000 on the spot. And so it was super fun. We did it. It was for us, really, it was more of a dry run
because this truck is going to all the biggest gaming conferences coming up. So it's going to
be in Boston for PAX East in May. Then it's going out to DreamHack in Dallas at the end of May.
And then we'll see how the game's going. But the plan right now is bring it to Comic-Con, bring it to TwitchCon. Those are both in San Diego. Obviously, if it's going really well,
we'll make a bunch of trucks and put them all around and make sure they're always at these
conferences. The coolest thing about PAX and about DreamHack is that it's going to be on
the convention floor, so it's not going to be be outside so we've struck a deal with them where they will bring the truck inside um so there's no way like you you walk past this thing
and you don't want to like just see what's going on and so there are some like legal rules where
you can't have some amount of like gas in the tank because if like i guess it explodes you don't want
it to be inside um uh but we are um we're we're going and we're doing that so the game's going to come out
on Wednesday in early access and then
there'll be like an update or two probably within the first month
for six weeks and one of those updates
is going to have something that's going to tie back to abstract
and so we think this is going to have something that's going to tie back to abstract. And so we think this is going to be
fairly popular with streaming. There's a component to it that, because like, if you want to be on
Steam, you can't have any Web3 stuff in the game. And there's no Web3 stuff in the game. The IP is
obviously has Web3 origins. But we do have some interesting ways in terms of like achievements and rewards
that can tie back to, you know,
you know, gaining XP or getting,
you know, a physical thing or whatever.
And so we should have that fairly soon
after early access comes out.
And yeah, in general,
we think it's going to be a really,
I guess the last thing,
and I'm happy to answer any questions, is we think it has all the components to be very popular in terms of streaming the wave with what was going on in the market, is the Twitter spaces and sort of
like the people sort of like rambling on like goblins that attracted a lot of people. And so
we sort of went back to our roots a little bit. And, you know, we've been sort of fascinated by audio inside of games recently,
specifically more mini games and TikTok. For people that are like active on TikTok,
there were there was a trend, I think it was more like end of last year, but a trend around
there was like a something called the chicken scream or do re mi where you would say do re mi
like in perfect pitch and then
you'd have to sort of pass a ball through a sort of a hole or you this game called chicken scream
where you had to like literally bop like a chicken and it would move the chicken then you have to like
bop really loud and then you sort of jump and there was like these like 30 second one minute
mini games that people would do using your audio um And we started to think, what if we made it so that if you sort of scream like a goblin
at your mic or into your mic or at your computer, it had some sort of component into the game
and sort of made for really, really entertaining content.
And so I don't know if anyone here, I'm sure people here saw the matrix and the concept
of bullet time. But I'm not sure if anyone here, I don't know how old you guys are, but in 2001,
there was a game called Max Payne that came out. It was a classic game. And they had this thing
called bullet time in it. And basically, when you're jumping into a room, you could slow things
down and basically sort of like headshot somebody. And it was really fun. And they took it from the Matrix. And it was basically the first video game
to do it. And so we have this thing called Goblin Mode Audio, where basically, if you're screaming,
it doesn't need to be like a goblin, but it should be like a goblin if you want the full effect.
If you scream into your mic or at your computer, you can basically slow down your driving and sort
of finagle yourself back on track or back on the track. And, you know, we joke it's like a sort of
like a scream to win or, and you can win without screaming, but it definitely helps when you do
sort of fuck up, which happens enough in the game because it's hard to sort of like, you know, if you if you are screaming, it does help you get back on.
And I just think you look at people like the Kai Sinat or Speed or really any of the guys, they're already screaming like crazy people into their computers or into their PCs or into their mics.
So this wouldn't be that big of a difference.
And I think as a game, you know,
you sort of default have to make a fun game.
Like that's table stakes.
Everything else is like, how do you get it to rise?
How do you get it to stand out?
And things like, you know,
something like this definitely helps.
And so that's what we've got going on.
You should check it out on Steam.
You could add it to your wishlist right now,
and then it'll be live on Wednesday at some point.
And then we'll continue to build it out
and build out sort of this wacky world of Goblin Town.
Look, I saw you raise your hand, but I'll end there.
Yeah, thank you.
I mean, you even asked if you answered.
You answered well enough. I don't have any more questions because basically everything I wanted to ask.
Sorry.
It was very interesting. I mean, you guys got the lore, the lore of the track, the lore of the game.
That was, and also you shared a couple of alphas. So my first question was about the Web3 component.
Also, you shared a couple of alpha.
So my first question was about the Web3 component.
And now you say that you guys are going to get something with Abstract.
And then my other question was about, I mean, everybody here, I remember the timeline.
Twitch and Twitter as well was invaded for when Apolly, the game, went live and went viral.
So I didn't know you guys were behind the proliferation.
So my question was, how do you guys plan to,
or do you guys have the resources to do the same for your own game?
And now you already answered it.
That was you.
So that's an amazing
thing it's amazing alpha to know uh yeah the game well it was it was it was definitely uh it was
like so i mean listen who knows would the game have gotten popular uh on its own like meaning
specifically only up like yeah probably um definitely had some components it was only like
a week and a half old
when i discovered it um and so like could it have become popular on its own without us yeah sure
did we help 100 because i think um i actually think it was two people that were like the first
to really stream it i think it was um jonah uh blake and bryson who obviously are like web3 sort of you know gaming people
and they saw us do it and i think just the wider web3 world saw oh wow there's all this like
goblin town ip in this like game that's sort of started to pick up some some some like you know
some traction and so nobody really was like oh did you make this game or anything and we weren't
hiding that we didn't make it.
We just, we partnered.
If you look at all the tweets, we said, we're partnering, we're RIPs in this game.
You know, but it was, it's like, we think that there's like a sort of a formula of like successful games.
It's like a combination of, it needs to be like really simple in terms of the objective.
And so the game could be complex, but the objective needs to be simple,
which for OnlyUp, it was just like climb,
like climb, and if you fall, just climb again.
You know, something like Fortnite is just like be the last person alive, right?
Very simple objective.
And so we think that's a piece.
We think sort of like you need to have a pretty game
in the sense of like,
and that's pretty easy these days
with like, you know, Unreal Engine and Unity.
You can make a really beautiful game
without many resources.
But then the most important thing is like,
you need a, the Roblox team calls it like a streamable moment.
And so like very quickly within the game,
you need to get to a streamable moment.
And that means something that you'd want to stream.
So other people watch and other people would want to watch you do.
And only have had that in the tension of climbing, right?
But within five minutes, you can get high enough where falling sort of is funny slash sucks.
And so there was this like this tension component to it that um that that you'd want to get to and
so we sort of modeled it a little bit like that and and we didn't know really what we were doing
at the time when we were involved with only up but yeah it was it was um that and then in terms
of your question about abstract yeah so um we haven't concluded exactly what it will be. I'll tell you what it might be. We want people to be able to like play and earn XP.
That's the first thing.
And like,
it's a little tricky because if you've ever done any steam games,
like you don't really ask people for email addresses.
So we're not asking anyone for their email.
If they don't have their email,
we can't really tie them to an account.
And so there's a trick,
a tricky part there. The thing that, and we think we've, we can't really tie them to an account. And so there's a tricky part there. The thing that,
and we think we solved for it, we just have to, I don't want to sort of talk through it yet until we
actually feel confident that it's actually solved. But the other piece here is I personally,
and this is more of a personal take, is that I think just, like, web 3 gaming is tricky in the sense,
I don't really want to connect a wallet and then play.
Like, I play a lot of, like, Fortnite, I play a lot of FIFA and NHL,
and I play, like, almost every night with a person on the Goblin Town team,
and we play NHL against each other, and, like, we don't really, really like I'm not there to button mash and like earn money.
Like I just want to beat him, you know, or I want to be entertained or have like a fun game.
And so I think that there's a problem there with Web3 and gaming.
Now, that being said, what I do think works for Web3 gaming is around achievements and like success.
achievements and like success.
And so the stuff that we're looking at is like, if I beat the game,
can I be like prompted with like, give us your email address.
And we're going to give you something like, whether it's a, a, a physical,
you know, replica, you know, like toy, you know,
hot wheels like car of the truck. And then we go and drop, you know,
give it to you on something like Dilly, which is popular in abstract. And then, and we go and drop, you know, give it to you on something like Dilly,
which is, you know, popular on abstract. And then, and then you can either, you know,
physically get it and just ship it to your house, or you can resell it, you know, and maybe depending on how fast you build it will depend on, you know, I don't know what, what, what,
you know, your, the make and model is of the truck you get, maybe you get a rare one.
And so something like that is
interesting, because then it introduces sort of like a rarity component to it. And then now that's
tied to a wallet, you know, and then there's more you can do there, whether it's rewards with other
stuff. You know, you maybe winning isn't the only way maybe, you know, after you die the first time,
we want to send you Goblet Town stickers. And so we say,
hey, like, sorry, you just died. Here's, you know, give us your email, and we're going to
ship you some free stickers. Stickers are pretty cheap. And so now we can give them stickers, but,
you know, maybe you can redeem the physical, or technically, they're tokenized, so you can resell
them. And so maybe we make them first edition stickers, and then eventually we retire them and
make second edition stickers.
And so there's like ways to do that where you're not beating someone over the head with with like Web3 and connecting a wallet or even really knowing about wallets.
And you're just rewarding them with physicals that are also tokenized that they can resell.
And so that's more of the approach.
Same with like like, you know, competitions.
We think this, you know, the
speed of trying to beat the game is going to be a big component of it. And so making leaderboards
and things like that, which could be, you know, tied back to, you know, you go to a website,
you connect your Steam account, you connect your, you know, your Twitch account, your kick account,
your abstract account, and then you can sort of map things back and give, give rewards.
So we're looking more at achievements and rewards than connect your wallet and
do this thing.
Yeah, 100%. And I mean,
there's a debate right now in Web3 gaming where people say, Oh,
but it's not a real Web3 game. There is not real wallet component.
It's, it's hidden in the back end.
And I mean, we got to compromise.
So what you just say about badges and achievement,
that totally makes sense.
That we've just seen Pokemon doing the same with the medals.
Or we've seen OTG where everything is hidden in the back end.
You don't have like wallet connection.
They created for you.
It's like, I mean, you start as a player.
Then it's up to you the commitment that you want to put into this game.
If you want to go to the next level and have that Web3 component,
the trading, the ownership, that's fine.
So I think you guys and the other one that are building in this direction,
that's the way.
That's the way to don't push away those web tool gamers haters or whatever.
Anyway, thank you.
That was really exhaustive.
But also interesting.
I appreciate you having me.
I'm sorry?
No, I was throwing to Wail.
What's next?
What's next, Wail? Want to talk about Artifact? Yeah, there's throwing to Whale. What's next?
What's next, Whale?
Wanna talk about Artifact?
Yeah, there's a lot to discuss.
Maybe Artifact is like an interesting one.
For the people who didn't pay attention, I don't know how you could because that's all
over the timeline.
When was it on?
Wednesday, Thursday, Friday?
Something like that.
I remember. So for a few hours, the metadata of, or the images of Artifact
was switched to a black screen because they migrated, I think,
from Cloudflare to something new after Artifact or Nike basically abandoned it.
But I think there's like one person left
who's now doing all this stuff.
And I had an interesting space this week with SWE.
And we had like Walrus on the show,
which are kind of working like a decentralized way of doing it.
And we have Cap up here on stage.
And I think Linosaurus is doing something similar.
I think even with Walrus
yes I would love to hear more
on that because that's
something I don't know Loki what you think because
I think it's something we'll probably see
a lot more especially for projects
where teams are
either abandoned a project
or simply just not pay a lot of attention
anymore that we'll probably not pay a lot of attention anymore
that we'll probably see like a lot of these black out-of-service screens for
our NFTs over time not for the top blue chips I assume and that's just like a
failure like with the with the cloud services like for a short period of time
but especially like for all the projects where the teams are not actively working
working on it anymore I think it will be like a big challenge in the next few
next few months and years
yeah so actually I have a question I never launched a collection so how does
it work for like usually you you prepay for how many years?
I don't even think you prepay.
I think it's monthly stuff.
There are probably different plans to choose from.
Maybe Cap can talk on this.
Because similar to you, I never launched NFT collection yet.
I can tell you what we do if you guys want to know.
Oh, yeah.
We'd love to hear your take as well.
And then definitely from Cab. Oh wait, wait, wait, sorry guys, gotta stop you there
because if you guys want a wireless for Whale Project,
retweet and click those fucking buttons for the space.
Go Cab.
Oh, I thought someone else was gonna go.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure we pay monthly.
I'm checking in with Sasha, but it's not cheap.
I think that's something that people oftentimes don't know.
How much is it? Can you give us a ballpark?
Not the exact number.
I'm asking around because I don't deal with it myself.
The team does.
So I'm going to get you that info as soon as Sasha answers me.
But we do pay.
But the move for us to Walrus fixes a lot of that stuff.
Their tech is pretty amazing.
It's all decentralized as well.
Super safe to use.
And for us, we deal with super high-end 3D assets and a lot of composable things.
So it's super, super important for us.
And we can also token gate experiences based on what we're storing. So it's like, for us, it's like an absolute no brainer.
And I think like, you know, I called it out when I saw the news about Artifact that like,
that is, that Walrus is definitely something that fixes that because it's decentralized.
Oh, I think I might have lost the sound.
You're still here.
No, we're here.
You're good.
Luke, I see your hand.
Yeah, when I saw the post about the Codex metadata, I was wondering, relative to paying for the service to have your you know cloudflare or
aws whatever it may be that relays the information sorry i was getting the hot water going um rather
than paying for that like if you're on abstract or some sort of l2 with really low gas fees
relative to eth wouldn't it be cheaper it just makes sense to have it on-chain? I don't know actually
what the cost is. That thought just came to my head
yesterday, I think.
No idea. Guys, Kuga,
Goblin Town, how much do you pay for this?
I'm not sure how much we pay, but
we use IPFS.
It's sort of the standard, I think, for most.
I think board apes are also on IPFS.
If we wanted to switch to our weave, it would probably be like two cents per image, I think,
about.
But it's also permanent, unless our weave goes down.
So, you know, I don't know.
IPFS works really well because anyone can keep, you know, it's fully decentralized.
So anyone can, if we stop paying, anyone else can pick it up.
And so I think that's why it's sort of been the standard.
But I don't know much about walrus, but I just know what we do.
All right.
All right.
Let's go with the end cast hunt I just wanted to kind of answer Luke's
question for a second because I think one of the things with like the on-chain versus the you know
semi decentralized kind of stuff like IPF that AJT was talking about when you get to like higher
resolution art files
and especially things like 3D assets,
it's a little harder to have those images on chain,
especially depending on what chain you're doing.
Bitcoin, I don't think you're going to see a 3D project
aside from a few small ones
compared to how some projects on ETH
were just cooking out 3D artwork
and throwing it up against the wall at any point.
And like AJT was talking about, a lot of teams like the idea of, you know,
metadata updates or art changing throughout collections long term.
And you can't do that once it's on chain for some teams.
So, yeah, I think the artifact stuff's sad.
It's just watching a plane that's already crashed spark out some more fires.
And then people are like, ooh, look at the fire over there.
And it's like, all right, we got bigger things to focus on at this point.
But it is a lesson as well for anybody in the space.
If you're serious about launching projects lesson as well for anybody in the space like if you're
serious about launching projects serious about obviously being in this space and being in
different types of projects like these are realities that come with uh web3 and crypto
thanks guys yo go on yoavier, just a heads up.
I mean, I saw this get farmed a lot,
but they switched the pointers, essentially,
and they took it off one provider
and put it on a decentralized on-chain provider.
From the updates coming out of the one remaining team member,
obviously their comms haven't gotten
any better as a project which kind of sucks for holders but like that was a transitional moment
between providers and solutions so they are now permanently on chain um from what i know and it's
not really an issue anymore it's not like like it went down. They were switching it.
Like, I don't hold clones,
but I feel really bad for people that do
because that must have been a scary moment.
I do want to say, though,
how the fuck is the floor still 0.18 for a clone,
no matter what, every single day?
Like, during that experience,
after that experience experience before that experience
so it's not even necessarily the attention from it but they've just held 0.18 like are they going
to get to that 0.04 0.03 anime graveyard where we can just scoop a whole bunch um that's a great
question the question is who's buying clones at the moment? But no, I agree.
I think the main problem there was probably the communication part.
So you basically, of course, you saw all the farming engagement.
I did one too because it was fun.
I think Seer did the first one.
I was second, so I didn't jump on too late.
But that's not the point.
The point is the communication was just really bad.
It would have been way better if they put on an official announcement
before, said, hey, we're transitioning to this new provider tomorrow.
Make sure you're prepared.
But instead, they did zero announcement.
And the only way to get the info that you were talking about, Hunt, was like from, what's his name, Samuel?
Like the last remaining Artifact employee who didn't even have access to the Artifact account.
So it took the Artifact account like two hours or three hours or four to even retreat the post from Samuel kind of saying that it's, yeah,
the transition from one point of view to another.
So, yeah, I think obviously like the project was,
is abandoned the right word?
I think it is abandoned by Artifact and Nike.
So I don't know if you can expect like a ton of good decisions
or preparation there.
I think SEMU is literally the last employee or the last person left
who's in charge of anything artifact.
But yeah, Loki, I would have thought this to you because Hunt brought it up
and I think it's a good question.
So artifact is banned.
There's no roadmap or anything that's coming from that side.
Why do you think the
floor is still at point one eight is it just because of the art is because it's like an og
collection what do you think that is yeah so uh first i wanna let's let's give kudos to i think
the guy name is samuel cardilio is the one carrying the Artifact metadata. But yeah, I've been tracking
Artifact in the Clone-X floor price. I think it never went below 0.1 and now like ranging 0.1,
0.2. Yeah, I think people, I mean, it's an OG project. There's some rare piece. I mean, there's an artist involved, a global artist.
So I think, yeah, people just like it.
I mean, I don't see it really going to zero.
And what was surprising is that even with such news,
like the artist is gone.
Oh, my God.
Like, it really shows how the attention is important
because the floor pump. Like, it really shows how the attention is important, because the floor pump.
Like, how crazy.
I think people are speculating.
I don't know who, someone had a good post.
I don't know who it was.
But I think some people thought, maybe it was you, Tim.
No, it wasn't, Tim.
Someone had a good post, basically saying,
like, they bought, like, one of these blank images,
and when the art got turned on again, it was like a top-run rarity clone.
Of course, it's not true because it was tied to the original art, but I'm pretty sure there are some people who thought,
okay, this might be way too to have a reroll off of the metadata and maybe get a rare one, I don't know.
But Hunter, see you with your hand up.
Please go ahead.
Yo, yeah, my bad.
I just wanted to ask, like, what,
is there any value to a project
knowing who still holds all the rugged NFTs?
Like, if you're launching an NFT collection
and you could give whitelist
to the people that are still diamond-handing,
like, Killer Girlfriends and GeneSys and, you know, Oldies whitelist to the people that are still diamond handing like killer girlfriends and gene sis
and you know oldies and like um now clones right is there any value to that like
are are those the losers of the space or are those like the diamond hands of the space
um should we curate a wallet with only rugs to get whitelist to everything that's a great question
look i need your answer this out so there's two ways you can take it one is uh they're diamond
handed like loyal community members the other is that they are dumb because they're still like
holding all these nfts down 99.999 percent from all-time highs so i will hold judgment i'm i'm not
i'm not making the decision,
but Loki, you have to.
So if you were to launch a project, Loki,
would you give whitelist to them or not and why?
Well, I think it kind of makes sense,
especially if we go into a future
where we have these tools.
There are some startups
trying to do some kind of like targeting ads
based on your holdings, based on your wallet.
And so, I mean, I think also CloneX is not just a PFP.
Besides BNOG, it's a little bit like R.
So R to NFTs don't really need like cost and attention or building.
So I think, yeah, there's a possibility we're going to see these in the future.
TMA? I'd give them my list. They're bag holders, so I like bag holders. I'm a bag holder, just FYI.
Not a disrespect to anyone. But yeah, I think, honestly, it's a solid community, right? And I think at this point in time, there's a combination of them just being absolute DGens and kind of saying, fuck you, Web2, Nike.
We're going to still hold this shit and not let it go to zero.
We don't give a fuck that you've kind of given up on this.
And then I think there is a second aspect to the art piece.
And then third piece is we just
like back holding to zero can i answer a little bit of that too i like back holding to zero too
um the diamond hand or dumb comment i think i would qualify to get into the dumb category
um you know i'm i wanted a uh i wanted a mask a superhero mask so bad like well that i went and
got a fucking gator hat for
crying out loud so i think that qualifies me to go into the dumb category i think luke had his
hand up luke come on with it bro i was gonna say like sometimes you can't um i know you can't assume
that they're still gonna be diamond handed and dumb like after when i got back into nfts and you know just buying and coin
whatever it may be i'm a lot less diamond handy now like i've definitely decided to take profits
on things even if i like them especially you know when i'm buying you know the you know rules of
buying more than one shit sorry about that that was me sorry about that bro no it's all good but yeah you know so
maybe maybe they'll diamond hand or i don't know they might not even be here anymore they might
have just fucking packed up and left i don't know if you can see how active the wallets have been
but yeah me personally when i think about the projects that i was you know deep into and super
bullish on and now they're fucking gone and the website doesn't even work i'm like man let me sell one of these babies and cover the cost
sorry i'm mid-workout right now that's why i'm all like
yeah well you got to do what you got to do right that's how life is you got to
either diamond hand or you got to get the hell on and get in there in the gym and work out about
this thing right nfts uh loki i'm sorry that i was late man i know
i gotta come in and kiss the ring and all that shit you know i'm just here so i don't get fired
y'all so hey i accidentally um removed somebody from the space when i just muted everybody i think
i forgot what their name was and i know they're gonna probably get on the timeline and fud the
shit out of us so when y'all see that just say hey it was alpha's dumb ass who came in there do it and did that bro i would kick him in the ass so y'all just let him go to speakers
and you can see there's like a little tab in the bottom left above your microphone button
and you can go to remove from space and allow him back in and send him the message
and then there will be no fud now i want the fud man how you gonna be associated with a with loki and a show and not
be associated with the fud what are you talking about bro we want the smoke man this the loki
show fuck wrong with you bro come on man who is this guy get him out of here get this i'm just
kidding man but yeah loki go back to you man yeah guys you need to have patience because i mean alpha dj is a good guy
but he's in his 50s he just started to use mobile phones he doesn't know shit so but we embrace
everyone that's uh that's the power of nfc's community yeah true boomer i am loki i have some
input about artifact before we move topic.
All right.
So there's something called Project Phoenix, led by Sam Cardio and Harlan Perez, who was lead for Project Phoenix.
They have, excuse me, I had some lung things going on this week with allergies.
One second.
All right. Excuse me, I had some long things going on this week with allergies. One second.
All right, so they have avatars for the clones.
For your, whether it be for streaming, whether it be for in-games, all that DLC content was just shipping as late as last month uh the beginning of march
it is essentially a cto and it is the true identity of what clone has always been the
answer why the value of clones want fall to zero because those that have already abandoned clone
x have already abandoned clone x due to that lack of leadership.
And we know that narrative.
Now, who is left?
Are the builders.
Are the collectors.
And ironically and tragically, 2D avatars are still going to ship out for every clone.
clone. So that's something to pay attention to. All of these deliverables are so tragic,
So that's something to pay attention to.
but poetic because the community built artifacts and the community will survive artifact.
We are the collectors and in LA at the LACMA, you can go and see Clone X in a gallery next to Andy Warhol next to every contemporary
artist Murakami is the artist and one last point speculation at any point in
time a company could come back a truck up and say hey I want all these assets I
want this IP I want your clones I want your animus. And boom, we have a new resurgence and a new life.
First of all, Nike is selling them.
I remember we had this discussion originally when they announced they were shutting down.
And we all kind of had the consensus that the odds of them getting acquired is very low.
Just because Nike probably doesn't need the money.
And the risk for them is probably higher than letting it just rot.
But did it change for you, Loki or AlphaDigen? Do you think we will see one or will it just continue?
Kind of be this one-man operation with Samuel Castillo, I think was his name,
running it, keeping it alive, basically it's just the art and all this stuff.
You know, I really think we might see a community takeover only because of the strength in the community.
And, you know, when if somebody will look at look at Azuki, you know, Azuki had some down times.
They had some some turbulence and some tribulations. I put those two words together.
Sorry about that. But yes, they had some turbulence. turbulence and look azuki is still one of the strongest communities i don't give a flying flip what you say azuki is one of the
strongest communities and people are honored to get into the garden you know and so looking at that
aspect of what happens when you have a community involved and not even just everybody in there
looking for a number go up and what have you. We all hope it does. But that community strength and that community bond, that community cohesiveness is really a factor. And you get somebody who's going to stand up out of the midst of everybody and say, you know what? F this. Let's do it. And from there, bro, it's going. is going and I think because they are still around they still persevering the storm they
still running through the rain the sun is going to come out and clear all of that up and I
I would I would believe that it probably will be a CTO going forward Loki what do you think man
yeah I agree with you guys beautiful take by the by the way, Kuga. Yeah, I mean, the value, the power of community for NFT collection, NFT brand is almost everything. So as long as they are there, they can somehow decentralize building.
They can somehow decentralize building.
So, yeah, maybe it's only up from here.
I mean, of course, like he will still following the NFT market.
But, yeah, I didn't know about that.
So, thanks for the insight, Kiro.
Way to go, Kiro.
Looks like Casey came up Casey did you have something you wanted to
Drop in there concerning
Yeah bro
I was dying when you mixed the two words together
To traumatize it
Bro I was dying
Like bro why do you think Nike's just gonna let that shit go like that
What's up Luke
Why do you think Nike's gonna just let it go like that.
I feel something...
It doesn't treat normal audiences.
It's not a scalable
product. That's what happened with Nike.
And also, probably some issues with the team,
but it's not something just...
Hey, Cap.
I think Casey was speaking. Could you hear Casey
speaking? Yeah, yeah, I could hear him. I could hear him. He was like, I think it's speaking. Could you hear Casey speaking?
Yeah, yeah, I could hear him. I could hear him. He was like, I think it's not marketing anymore.
That's why, you know, they can't push it no more. So I understood what he meant by that. No, no, no. Hold on. Hold on, Casey. Cap started speaking when you were speaking.
Yeah, so Cap, just let him have the floor just for a minute. Let's hear his take, and then you'll be up next.
Thank you, sir.
Yo, Alfa, you rugging, bro?
I don't think so.
I thought I was โ it's your turn to speak.
Yeah, yeah.
I agree with what Cap said.
Cap told me he's not a marketable experience, so I agree with what he said.
So I'm like, let him continue talking. agree with what he said so i'm like let him
continue talking around understand what he said it was it made sense like i understand why they
throw in it but it's still it's still a very big memorabilia in web3 so you can't just let that
die just like that it's a big monumental piece of web3 so letting it die is just man and nike
did it bro nike broes. She's fucked up
You got it. Thanks, bro. Thanks for you take high take cab you ready go ahead
Yeah, I'm sorry dude. All I was saying is like for a company like like Nike just
To me, I think it just didn't make sense to them like I think when they realized they weren't actually making the sales and
They were pushing to the same to the same audience.
I think that's where it was falling flat.
Plus some other things. There's a lot, man, something to consider is like there's a lot of opportunists that come into the space and build NFT projects and that don't know how to run a business.
And there's probably a big part of that that happened there where there was like butting heads and and whatever but i'll leave it there
Yeah, great point because with growth and scale i'm sorry go ahead while they well
Oh, I saved yourself last minute
Yeah, we have Casper who's had a long-term like artifact
Clonex members well with his force was a enough for a while now. So I want to throw it to him for a second
on x member as well with his hand up for a while now so i want to throw it to him for a second
nah i was uh just enjoying this upside down world that i was in because y'all were talking about
like positive shit and like clones having a cto which like i literally just watched for the past
like three days everybody in the fucking space shit on this brand in this community which like
it's normal like i since i've been a part of the artifact journey
like i have seen it that group the moment it signed with nike there was a huge kind of barrier
that got put up in the space between like you know what was expected from artifact and what you know
reality was for how things was were going but i I think CTOs and all that, man,
like they only work if the entire space
is going to be understanding
and going to somehow jump in.
And you also have to understand
that Artifact and Clones were such a big collection
that the community is already everywhere.
Like everybody in the space is relatively part of it
because they've either, you know, bought something from Artifact or they held a clone at one point or
some other shit like that. So it's like, I don't see it changing until there's those like,
kind of like Alpha was saying, like, there's got to be the specific leaders that stand up and start
leading the charge, but it also has to be timing wise. like we've seen a lot of ctos in this space and you know if one's coming for clones it's gonna be
a serious one it'll be big but it would have to be like it would have to be done perfectly like
nobody's just gonna pick that up and turn it back into what it was which was like thousands of
creators all trying to you know
be on board with nike and murakami and other top level brands and just get in front of that but
i don't know there's a lot of other dope stuff y'all were talking about whitelists and things
like that i think there's a lot of other projects that you know community wise if you're talking
about people who are here trading actively loud voices, like that's where
I think whitelists are always going to go, you know, wherever the community that has like the
most presence, that's the one. And, you know, it's just kind of, kind of how it works out naturally.
It's just the marketing sense of who you want to disperse things to. But I enjoy the positivity.
You know, if y'all want to be positive on clones,
good luck.
I'm going to sit back and watch.
I'll be silently just kind of observing that shit.
You know, there's too many other opportunities
in the space right now to be focused on just one thing.
100%. Oh, sorry, go ahead. No go ahead bro go ahead yeah just thought it was a great
point like the question of ctos like in the nft space are even that positive i think still a lot
of people are uh kind of blinded like by patchy penguinsuins and kind of success that came after Luca took over.
But we had a ton of CTOs or acquisitions after that.
Gutter Cat Gang, this Little Lemon Friends, I think, was acquired.
Nobody knows anything about what they're doing.
I think that's like, you know, you have these one or two projects
that were successful after CTO,
and that makes you think
that all CTOs in general are bullish,
but I don't think so.
I assume, and I think, Cass, you're right there,
that if CloneX ever gets acquired,
it will probably be like a big one.
It won't be like a random team acquiring it for a dollar
just so the old team gets like a big one it won't be like a random team acquiring it for for a dollar just so the old team uh gets like a legal legal way out of the project without abandoning it and getting
getting sued but yeah we'll see uh we'll see what happens loki i gotta jump off but it was good to
it was good to be on thanks for having me thanks bro thanks have a good one have a good one man thanks for coming out
sorry I was late but it's
always a pleasure to have him in the building
right
so I think Chef Pancho Poppins
wanted to contribute to the conversation right there
Chef what do you got
GM Alpha, GM Loki, Luke
everyone
yeah just talking about clones you know it is murakami art
and no matter what that is going to retain some value over time and i think it's important to
note that like the nft space is a particular niche market for murakami where the trad art world
for Murakami, where the trad art world and his collectors there most likely have never even
bought an NFT. And he has made an impact around the world with his traditional art. And it's as
the generations get accustomed to NFTs as we move forward, you're going to have a lot more interest in those NFTs.
That is Murakami art.
It's like, you know, Basquiat or any other major art player, Damien Hurst,
their work is going to retain some value just because of the impact that they've left on the trad art world.
Indeed. Indeed. I agree. I'm not too big into that ecosystem, but I've watched them over time from afar.
Indeed. Indeed. I agree.
And I mean, there are a bunch of valid points here that, you know, CTOing may not be the best way.
But, you know, at some point, somebody's got to do something different because insanity is doing
the same thing over and over and expecting different results so uh you know having said
that i mean when you're talking about whitelists and what have you didn't we used to have a
there used to be not we but there used to be in the web3 space a a project called project
whitelist right i think they were dealing with NFT Llama and Llamaverse and
what have you. And I think before, y'all know, right? Before he left out and made his grand exit.
But I mean, there has been all kinds of attempts at marginalizing whitelist distribution and what
have you. And I don't know. I think once somebody comes up with a a good um a good
formula for it we'll we'll be in a good place hon loki what you got bro
no bro bro uh i mean you can you can finish i want to switch topic oh yeah switch it up let's go
i just got one more little thing to add. Is the current clone collection,
does that grant any IP rights to the holders,
or is that copyrighted by Murakami?
The Murakami stuff is always owned by Murakami.
You weren't allowed to do that.
But the other assets, you technically still have ip rights that you could utilize but
it's still like one of those things like y'all if you're trying to use ip like board apes have
done a really good job of it but i think that's because there was also like a large uh kind of
back room the team is helping you guys figure out the best way to approach some of these things
sometimes whereas like right now like if you're gonna do it you're you're not you don't got the boardroom
well well and that's the point is like murakami is is his own copyrighted you know all artist
rights are reserved you know i'm a professional artist myself so um or you know 15 30 years like whatever but it's like i'm familiar
with all that like and and i think it's important to maintain murakami's copyright because that's
also what's going to keep the value if people start making derivatives of all the clones and
all that stuff it's going to dilute the murakami brand in in a way that's like not jiving and so i think
that's a good thing for long term you know yeah which are all good points that they need to um
consider going forward with the direction of the uh collection you know per chance somebody says
hey you know what i'm gonna champion this and uh you, put it on my back and let's go to the Super Bowl.
So, yeah, we'll go ahead and segue. I guess before we segue back to Loki, let's like and retweet the room, right?
Like and retweet the space. If you've already liked it, unlike it, don't dislike it, just unlike it and re-like it and un-retweet it and retweet it again if you haven't.
re-like it and un-retweet it
and retweet it again if you haven't
just for visibility and just
to kind of nudge and poke the bear
at the algorithm and say hey we over here
you idiot show us to everybody
but what you got Loki
hey let's go to XBT I see
his channel
what's up
yes the little red button on the bottom left corner xbt if you're on the mobile device i'm sorry
not sorry all right all right anyway uh yeah so yeah i wanted to talk uh i mean we're board
just got a four-year university a fast but first let me touch with Kab. Kab, I allow you to shield what you guys just launched.
Do you mind to explain? What is that?
You talking to me?
Yep.
Yeah. We, sorry, this week we launched the Achievement System, which is pretty much the first step to kind of like tying everything together.
We see it as like the connective tissue to the entire ecosystem.
I think a lot of you guys already know that, you know,
we're building that game with Game Loft.
So we have a gaming vertical.
There'll be a lot more things over there.
We have a media vertical.
That's, you know, the stuff we do on social media.
And we're just about starting a full production on a TV show,
which we'll make like an official announcement for.
And then there's the community activations
and all the stuff that comes with that
and just straight up just collecting, right?
And so that achievement system is a lot,
there's some similarities with what Azuki's doing
with their collector's profile.
We're just putting it on steroids.
So it connects like literally every vertical that we have the physical products like you name it the badges are sort of
like memory shards that you can collect and for us it allows us to like segment uh different
pockets of our communities and reward them in different ways um and it also comes with staking
so staking is going to be ready within the month.
And it's going to act a little bit like a game pass as well.
So people will be able to farm extra stuff for their user profile,
for things in-game, some special physicals, all that kind of stuff,
on top of all the things that staking usually implies.
So I'll leave it there.
But yeah, and then over time time every time we have like um some
special releases whether it's like i don't know like a trailer or an event somewhere you're always
going to be able to farm like unique badges for that and so essentially fans um especially on the
digital side can track their fandom experience through time and all of it's on chain and trackable
so for us it allows us to create all these like unique experiences for those specific people,
token gated experiences, all that kind of stuff.
And there's a point system plus an XP system tied to it all.
Damn, that was alpha.
So let me ask you something really straightforward.
Are you launching a token before Doodle?
Before Doodle? i don't know i thought they were gonna launch like for a long time but uh before doodle unlikely um are we launching one uh i don't know
i'm not gonna say anything good answer man good answer I cannot confirm nor deny that we are launching the token, so I don't know. Great answer. Awesome sauce. And who knows, what is Doodle doing, man? I thought Doodle was supposed to be at TGE already. What are they doing, Loki? Have you heard anything from them guys?
Yeah, I mean, since they announced the market crash bad,
and then I think they're timing it.
So probably now it's not the right time.
So they just wait.
And meanwhile, they start to talk and show what's their building,
which is called DreamNet.
which is called DreamNet.
It's an AI content remix platform.
It's an AI content remix platform.
It's a little bit complicated, but yeah.
So for now, the only information available is about this.
And also they are, wait, wait, now remember,
they show to others, they are working on a separate IP,
which is a little bit now I forgot if
it's like more like cuter or anyway I like slightly different like let's say
the beans of a Zuki so they're working on something like this oh nice when you
say cuter do you mean like cuter than the dinosaurs or you mean just like cuter
than the original collection I got it yeah cuter than the og cuter than the doodle is some sort
like of tiny character now i forgot because they they show some preview during uh town hall
but yeah that's what i remember have you guys asked yourselves why
i remember have you guys asked yourselves why i mean why why not i mean the the moment you have
more ways to talk into more audience that's positive for the brand so yeah but they like
if they wanted to reach our audiences they could have just done an animated series they have the
talent they have the studio
uh they don't need more nfts i don't know who's gonna buy no no no wait wait i didn't say they're
launching nfts they're just launching a new character so that means content that means
probably i mean i don't know if they it's a different social media account or it will be on Doodle as well.
But yeah, I feel that there will be an extension like Beans is for Zuki,
just to gather to different kind of... So because I think if you guys pay attention to the dark mode,
Doodle is trying to be a little bit less less less for kids
so less simple
going to appeal to more like
how to say
like adults
yeah but if they want to reach
adults they have Adult Swim
they have a whole animation studio
like see
I don't understand the logic behind it
no bro it's still there so-key no bro it's still
there so adults so no i know the studio is still there but why not no no no no i mean doodle start
with this very colorful rainbow branding right so now they're switching to do more sophisticated content and appeal more to adults.
And then they will introduce, probably, I mean, it's not announced yet,
a new character that can appeal more to kids or simple kind of content.
I think that actually just comes with writing. Like, you look at Adventure Time, you know, technically it's designed like it would be for kids but it taps into adults same with rick and morty so it's just the way you would
approach content and i think a lot of nft and by the way i love the doodles team so i'm not
throwing shots here but i think um it's a little bit of soul searching where it's like um you have
to pick a demographic and lean hard into it um It's easy to try to do four quadrants,
but sorry, it's not easy.
It's an easy choice to be like,
I don't want to make a decision,
but it's much better to just pick a demographic,
lean hard on it,
and you'll find a lot of success doing that.
Yeah, to Kareo and Kab's point,
I think I've always seen doodles as like the adult animation
potential like the the potential for us to see like a adventure time or a rick and morty type
of series out of them like has always been there and they kind of already do that content like
there's some you know dystopian sci-fi corporate like bleak stuff that they do which is cool and
i see where they're going for it,
but maybe that's not what's hitting on like the Instagram algorithm.
So they might have to mix things up and like Cab was saying,
just figure it out as a artist where you want to take that direction and dive
deep. So I, I,
I'm bullish on teams that have like creative freedom and can do what they
want. And now that like they're, who is it? I'm forgetting the teams that have, like, creative freedom and can do what they want. And now that, like, they're โ who is it?
I'm forgetting the founder's name, but he's back in charge.
So, you know, it could be interesting.
There could be a lot of potential just as long as they find their lane
and they just hammer it home.
I don't know if you're allowed to speak on this cast, but, like, you know,
like, for a long time i advocated for clones to
have like some story behind it because it's not like it's not like the art's not great the art's
great you know like every other 3d like kind of caricature collection kind of looks like they
copied clonex's homework but like without a story it doesn't appeal to like you know i tried so many times to give my
nephew a clone he was like what's going on here like it looks cool but like i don't get it what's
the story and i feel like that's one of the things that like especially azuki's done really well and
like certain community members like steve g in the pudgy community creating
stories so that people can identify with these things is like i think it's super important
because i don't see like a world where like i go out and like i see like like like just imagine
there was no pokemon tv series like i wouldn't go out and be like oh let me grab this fucking creature thing like oh this sounds great but i don't know what it does it i don't know frustrating
nah i feel you and i definitely agree like there was no point where like
people weren't aligned on that internally externally i think everybody wanted to see more kind of of the the story and the the lore that like would get shared but i think the part
of the problem logistically is just the amount of things that were happening and the amount of time
it takes for like quality just 3d animations if you're gonna have people doing it like at the
the level that you want it to be for like crisp and clean, like, you know,
really compelling kind of stuff. But Hey man,
that's kind of just how businesses go though. Like if you're,
if you're a business and you're wanting to figure out how best to market,
you need to understand what's the way that you're going to angle your content,
how you're, you know, structuring that cost of that content, like how you're going out and making it happen each week.
Like, this is just literally like when I say Artifact has been a fucking masterclass and
different things that you can learn from, like, bro, just go look at the positives,
the negatives. Like there's so much shit that like it's kind of it's
kind of amazing but yeah man there's a lot of opportunity for native brands and like independent
brands to kind of come out and we keep seeing it it's just like the gonna be the future for all of
marketing and kind of like uh e-commerce but yeah, it starts with content, man. You got to figure that part out.
And I don't think people always understand that.
Also, you can hire Cass right now.
He's a free agent.
Probably one of the best that you'll find in this space.
Sorry, Cass.
You know I'm going to fucking chill you every time.
Bro, because I won't do it myself, dude.
I almost thought about it for a second.
I was like, I'm talking about all this shit and I kind of do this
but like nah nah
no no no you actually do this bro
like of all the people like I had
the opportunity to become friends with
during Clonex like
you're one of the very few people that took
your every job that you had very seriously
like
I'm not going to say nothing
because I still like the guys,
but some of them are a little bit off, man.
We're just here to just build,
hopefully leave with some monies in the end.
Everybody gets happy.
That's the cool part about this space.
I think anybody who has found this Web3 opportunity, there's just chances that you can do things that you're not going to find anywhere else.
Like, I could be down bad on Instagram right now.
And God, I would want to just, yeah, I'd want to die a little bit.
But here I feel like I wake up, see my cartoon friends.
I see Loki and his little pudgy PFP hosting spaces on a Sunday.
I'm like, all right, you know, there's still some hope left in the industry.
We'll keep it moving.
Yep, like they're saying on Twitter threads now that ETH is going to save,
or somebody is saying on Twitter threads now ETH is going to save NFTs,
or NFTs are going to save ETH, Loki's going to save ETH, and Loki's going to save NFTs. So NFTs are going to save ETH. Loki's going to save ETH.
And Loki's going to save NFTs.
So we're going to just jump on his back, let that bird get to flying,
even though he don't really fly that good.
And fuck it.
We'll just ride the wave out, right?
I saw Machiavelli come up.
Mac, you had something you wanted to jump in there with?
What are we talking about, Loki?
Oh, yeah, man.
I like his fucking horns, bro.
They're so cool. Look at those horns, bro. They're so cool.
Look at those gold fucking horns.
They're so nice.
Fucking entities are back because of those fucking gold horns.
Yeah.
No, actually, you know, I remember first experiencing Cass's work in the ecosystem.
I want to give him his flowers, dude.
I remember a video came out with all these other characters.
Not even just the Clone X video that came out.
But, like, he did another one where, like, it had all these other 3D characters.
And I was like, yo, what the?
Like, where did this guy come from?
Like, you're talking about cinema.
Like, you know, remember the clone video that was, like, three minutes long, it felt like?
It had every fucking world involved in it?
Yo, Ali is the GOAT, bro.
Yo, it took one man 15 days no am i talking about the wrong work am i seeing the wrong artist am i am i dumb ass right now
it's no it's cool all right guys i'm sponsoring i'm sponsoring a room in dubai for Kuro Machiavelli and Kels, okay?
So you're done here.
Damn.
Hopefully that's a hacker
house room.
We are coming back.
Tell me about
Bobby.
That's a go-to-in
rotation.
Las Vegas. What's going on?
Man, you know, we had to go with the but did you die thing
because I think they had to โ you know, I think they looked at it constructively.
Yuga said, you know what?
We're going to turn these idiots loose in Vegas,
or we're going to invite them to Vegas. Are we gonna invite them to Vegas?
So we gonna have to minimize our risk on on on game and just we're not gonna have a full weekend of
activities we didn't just
Narrow this down and burrow this down to one day because if not we gonna have some we don't have some casualties with these
have some casualties with these motherfuckers and uh yeah man we're going to las vegas uh hopefully
Motherfuckers and yeah, man, we're going to Las Vegas
none of us will die if we do we'll die and wake back up you know so we can talk about it the next
day but um yeah man ape chain i mean uh ape fest is going to las vegas hopefully we can get some
penguins on board you know so y'all don't have to fly too far you know so you know we can invite
you guys in man let's have a big party and celebrate life
and uh just do some dumb shit like we known to do you know because we are not serious people
and when you're not serious and you're going to the casino and to the place where it wasn't serious
when they first built it and the guy just said hey just build it they'll come and now we're coming so
ape fest 2025 las vegas october the 24th, one night only.
You know how you get a concert that says one night only,
so you get a little bit more FOMO?
One night only in Vegas, bro.
Hopefully we don't die, you know?
Apes can't count, Alpha.
They think that it's still going to be three days, okay?
So you can expect probably a whole fucking week of activities in that motherfucker.
Yes.
It's definitely going to be a lot of activities and a lot of shenanigans going on during that week.
But that one day is probably going to be the monumental day that I'll get alcohol poisoning or some dumb shit like that.
But, yeah, man, it's going to be fun.
I think Ape Fest 2025 is going to be the big one.
We're planning out for some good games for our eight games activities.
And, you know, hopefully it's going to be a successful one like they have been in the past, you know.
Are you coming, Loki?
Are you going to be there?
Yeah, hopefully Mr. Beast will be there.
But the star of the show who will take over, who will shadow him, will be Loki.
I'm going to right now in this recorded space officially invite Lokiki as my plus one uh no diddy you know loki so no diddy no birdie but uh yeah
bro you can come on and let's enjoy ourselves man maybe you can stop flooding the apes you know i'm
sorry not sorry yeah what you got look nah bro i mean i appreciate the invite but you know i don't
want to get any disease there uh Also, I'm very paranoid.
Like, no fucking way I'm going to reenter U.S., I think, in my life anymore.
So, I'm very comfy here where I stay.
Yeah, and we're going to look at you as an asset, too.
So, instead of letting you go back, we're going to put a tariff on you.
So, it'll be too high for you to get the fuck out we're gonna keep you we're gonna hold you in the united states
yeah man do you think they're going to announce anything
yeah i do but you know they yugo is so tight-lipped and so methodic about what they
announced bro i remember hearing something on the space last
year and it was something to the effect i'm paraphrasing so i got my air quotes up for those
of y'all who can't see me but for those of y'all who can air quotes um one of the guys was told
hey man if you tweet out who our x y and z is gonna be i'm gonna break your fingers
end quote so yeah man they really methodical about what they announced.
But we will get some announcements.
Maybe they'll even give us a big treasure board so we can start figuring out what's going to go down.
But who knows, man?
These guys kind of surprise us sometimes.
And as apes, we just don't.
We don't read anyway.
They're unveiling the Board Ape Yacht Club Clubhouse Casino in Las Vegas.
2025, baby!
Let's fucking go!
There you go.
And there's your Alpha.
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Don't they need the Miami Clubhouse
before they think about Vegas?
I don't know, bro.
I'm just starting on some speculation, bro.
I'm just getting it out there. You know I'm saying this is gonna be the fucking A
hotel bro the Bored Ape Yacht Club
clubhouse let's fucking go
yep so the next morning I'll ask
everybody but did you die
what do you think about it um kiro i know you uh you've had some adverse opinions going forward
but shit man opinions are what we what the world is made up on right and you know what runs the
world so what do you think about it you're gonna come out and come party with us bro
lighten up on us absolutely not i'm like you, you know, I'm just going to say, like, just for for like security's sake, I can't leave the country that I'm in until June 16th anyways.
And like, you know, after my behavior in Las Vegas during the Zuki event, I probably should probably like not go. know what i mean like i don't know uh yeah
gotcha on the absolutely part man yo they do if they do la the following year i'll definitely go
i'm still a yuga holder like i refuse to pfp it but like i'm still a supporter of yuga i just like i just like my anime pictures better
uh you know that's kind of where i'm at you know like i'll throw on the clone or i'll throw on
this thing or like whatever but like you know the the yuga assets are kind of for me are more of a
long-term investment into the ecosystem since it's one of the first projects and stuff.
So I don't want to tarnish it because I do say some pretty radical things.
Yo, I want to know what your A for Mutant looks like.
You've seen it before.
And that is
I don't remember it
like yo I didn't even remember that
Ali wasn't Kaz and Kaz wasn't Ali
like you know what I'm saying
yeah yo bro but here's the thing is like
I can't sell it if I go around
parading it right like
like yo I like to
trade the Yuga assets except for the, what do you call them?
The, fuck, what are they called?
What, the Kodas?
No, no, no, no, no, I never got a Kodas
The BAKCs?
No, the island things
The land
Other side deems
Yeah, the other sides, like, I kind of just, like
Buy those and hold them Just because, like, I want to do some shit on other side yeah the other sides like i kind of just like buy those and hold them um just because
like i want to do some shit on other side but like i'm not like uh like yo really for me like
the pfp doesn't really matter it's just like is the business good behind it that's kind of what
i look at like even like i've been i'm waiting for some more pudgies to capitulate, because there's a couple that I do want for branding purposes.
Like, I've talked to Luca about it before.
He knows, like, what I'm working on.
And, like, once these organic snacks come out, I want to own the IP.
I don't want to fucking go on the board.
And, like, as much as I love, like, what's been done with that and like i was a part of the team
that was uh like sassy labs and stuff but like i like i love all the licensing stuff but i just
i i don't want to deal with it man i'm tired of fucking lawyers in this space
that's all i'm gonna say bro you say pudgy capital what? Yo, bro, bro,
there's certain pudgies,
like, they don't attend the huddles,
they don't do any of the good stuff,
they're just, like, complaining about
price, once price is going...
Brother, sell us your pudgies
and leave, like, thank you.
Thank you for coming and playing the game,
brother.
100%. Let's go to Bull.
Yeah, seeing this NFT conversation, and we're talking about Penguins as well,
what do you guys think about the post Beeple made?
Beeple is the most sidelined man on Twitter.
That's what we learned that day.
Yeah, because...
He didn't throw a dick on him, and I'm just
happy that he didn't throw a dick on him.
That's all I'm saying, bro. But he wrote the
word. He still threw a
dick at them, bro. Like, that shit
was crazy, bro.
It wasn't
a penis, though.
First time in history people did
an art piece without putting a penis
on it, right?
He wrote the word
yeah i get it potatoes potatoes what do you think about it boy what do you what's your
what's your well i have a partial his view of the nft history i'm definitely not not um
being around for all the all the law but for me i've just seen i know
people's done some work like collection things i've gone up but i also know he did like a huge
mint so from my point of view i was like luke has enriched a lot of holders and not really done any
expensive mints or anything like that whereas bpul has done some very large mint extractions but like i said i don't know the
full history bro he i don't think he did a large mint extraction bro he got paid 69 million dollars
at auction for a collection of all of his everyday pieces that's that's that's where his claim to fame
is like that's where he comes in as an artist who was already creating art in a different medium like you know what i'm saying like actually doing like it's not just ai generating
he actually uses 3d files and all that shit whenever he creates so um it's it's i don't know
like it's it's not like he's really truly sidelined um but he is using his uh direction to kind of like jab the industry and make fun of him.
Brother, he is so sidelined from Pudgies.
It's crazy for him to make that tweet, bro.
Like, yo, you can say whatever you want.
He made $69 million.
I thought it was crazy too.
But that doesn't mean he's not sidelined.
Because if I was sidelined, that's the tweet I would have made.
It was definitely a sidelined opinion.
Cab, go ahead bro okay so my interpretation
was it was just kind of uh of a bark back to like luca going i'm the face of nfts when if we zoom
out for a new york minute outside of this ecosystem the world knows people the world actually doesn't
know luca yet and i think that's where it came from.
It's like most people, they hear NFTs, they'll think bored apes or they'll think people.
Like that's just how it is.
You talk to normal people, that's what they think.
So I think that's my assumption is that it was just kind of a snapback to saying I'm the face of NFTs.
And that's all.
Loki, I saw your hand come up no yeah thanks for i mean
honestly i i don't have an interpretation i don't really understand what he wanted to say
i just feel like you never need to take his stuff serious uh appreciate the shout out. Honestly, I mean, like the debate about face of NFTs.
I think it doesn't make sense anymore to have that kind of debate
because NFT is just the underlying technology.
So you want just to push your brand, right?
To new heights.
So who cares who is the face of the technology?
You want your brand to be the next...
Hello Kitty, the next Disney.
Oh, yeah.
Let's talk about Disney.
Actually, Loki...
Hold on, Machiavelli.
Let him finish his point, Machiavelli.
Then you can come up right...
No, no, no, no.
Go, Machiavelli.
All right, come on with it, Mac.
Luca wants the Pajipewood to be the face of the technology and the ecosystem.
He's clearly stated that several times.
And we've seen that start to even manifest with every single protocol in their mama throwing up a custom penguin of their brand and the PFP.
Like, so, you know, that proliferation has started to take place.
And he did state that several times
in several different interviews no yeah i i agree with you on this uh it's just uh i think it's not
really easy to discuss this because if you ask anybody in web 2 what is nft There's like a negative connotation. So do you really, I mean, does he really intend to be that one? No, I don't think so. I mean, all the messaging of Pajipango is about like embracing positivity and totally different message than exclusivity and what was like portrayed before with board apes so yes we are
still saying face of nfts but it's a very different meaning touche loki um i want before we go to uh
case i want to ask this one question if funkari became the face of nfts would we all have a paper
bag over our head okay casco it's on you go ahead bro well uh i'll say i don't think anybody wants to be the face of nfts and we have seen what
happens with that and it comes with like a lot of uh a lot of negativity at the pico top
even though there's a bunch of euphoria because we in here as like the core of what's happening in the crypto community, like we enjoy seeing these run ups, but everybody else does not care for the most part.
Amen.
Hey, motherfucking man.
But dude, the beautiful thing about Pudgies is they can stick with their lane of being like the most famous penguin like if they if luca keeps pushing this thing of like this is the most famous penguin and here's ways that you can own part of it beautiful this
shit will you know like like i'm not gonna say he's gonna catch up to disney because disney is
like legit like that's a that's a full like entertainment conglomerate psyop that like has
happened over decades like bro we got, we got a lot of,
a lot of work to do before we get to any of these types of,
you know,
you need another 500.
Yeah,
dude.
Like,
but Hey,
either way we got,
we got cool shit happening.
We just can't get ahead of ourselves and the fucking infighting and
arguing about who's bigger is like the fastest way to kind of watch
things blow up
the cycle so yeah but i'm a dead man just uh enjoy listening to y'all that's that's a good point and
i really think that's uh that's their goal and on the comparison of course it doesn't make sense now
but also saying that disney took 100 years and uh took 50 years. Yes, but you cannot really compare
to how explosive growth and how it's easier now to reach everybody's home because the technology.
So we had like Pokemon going mainstream. I mean, now it's been already 25 years, 30 years.
Wait, probably even more.
And they were mainstreaming in a few years.
So I don't think for anybody with an IP strategy,
like Pudgy Penguin or Wells,
will try to push their IP character to the mainstream.
It's going gonna take centuries
But it's gonna take a decade if they play their cards, right?
Yeah, the thing with Disney and Pokemon as well because they're both childhood things and I feel like nostalgia is probably one of the strongest emotions people feel so
Like that would take a huge amount of time to overcome people's childhood memories. Almost impossible.
Yeah, you got to grow up with it.
Let me say something just before you go.
I'll definitely give you the floor back.
But we got some speakers that's up farming.
So if you just want to come up and farm, we're going to rotate you down.
Don't be offended if you don't.
But if you have something to contribute to the conversation, raise your hand.
We're going to go online because this definitely will turn into the pub.
But let's go to Cab.
Then we'll go Cougar and Machiavelli.
Yeah.
So, I mean, Pokemon took like over 25 years to do what it's doing today.
It did have like a bubble when we were kids or whoever was around at that time during like the Pokemon card craze,
but it wasn't actually the cards.
Like it was, it was the game that, that set them up and the way they were leveraging like
nascent tech, which I would argue is the same for certain NFT brands.
Like, you know, we're exploring nascent tech.
There's a point of interest.
There's community.
that's what Pokemon did but people grew up with it and that's what turned it into a superpower
That's what Pokemon did, but people grew up with it.
And that's what turned it into a superpower.
as far as penguins I think you know a good play for them is is is to attempt to do a little bit
more of like the Hello Kitty play and like you know Disney Disney owns everything we're talking
about like trillion dollars right like it's not it's not the same comparison but I think when
people say the say Disney they actually just mean some of the brands that they own they don't mean like the conglomerate or not yet anyways um
and as far as like what loki was saying is yeah it's technically it's easier to distribute like
you can put your shit up on social media you can do all that stuff but there's so much more
competition traditionally those companies have monopoly you can if you put your TV show on a TV channel and you monopolize the 7 PM time slot, you win.
Like that's Simpsons, right? Like that world is not the same. Now you've got competition with
all the streamers. You've got company, like a nine-year-old kid can put their shit up on
TikTok and get like 300 million views. So for those companies that are like a massive moving ship,
it's really hard for them to steer.
So I do think that companies that can understand
how do we get attention in a world
where there's so much hyper-competition
through those new distribution channels
can have a substantial advantage.
Yeah, so just, it's kind of like a non-answer, but just like food for thought. No, make sense. Wait, wait, sorry. I have a question advantage. Yeah, so just it's kind of like a non-answer, but just like food for thought.
Non-answer sounds good.
Wait, wait, sorry. I have a question back.
What do you think of
not just having
a brand that
makes things perfect in terms of
metrics on social media and
activation, what do you think of
having
amplification from your fans thanks to AI,
thanks to content remix that it's happening or will happen soon?
100%, you want to be transmedia, like the way to compete, which most of the NFT brands are
attempting to do and definitely Pudgies and the others and ourselves is you want to be a transmedia
brand, you want to like, most importantly, is like you want to meet the audiences where they're at so you want to tap into all those
different channels whether it's tick tock youtube you name it and the flywheel effect for nft projects
is massive like you've got uh active participants instead of like passive ones and and that's just
like a huge advantage because you're you're aligning the incentives via the digital collectibles
and and the feedback loops and the communication channels and like you say like nft holders are
are pumping out crazy amounts of ugc when when companies like ours start to employ like ai to
or leverage ai to to let users do that even more or at a faster pace that'd be awesome
um but yeah it's just about having a bigger flywheel effect using your diehard fans that
are incentivized for the first time ever.
Sorry about that, man.
Kuga, I think you were up.
And then Machiavelli and CyberAid.
Yeah, I was going to plug in Luca's secret weapon.
Abstract, right? Abstract chain is where he will
born the next Web3 native Kai Senate
Speed, Mr. Beast. We see it in motion.
We see the Pingu planted, incepted in the web 3 native space for attention.
It is playing in the real world, the world we know to be Apple, Disney.
Man, man, where the fuck are you? Are you inside a bottle or what?
Yeah, I'm in the shower, but I also have like a bad allergy week and my lungs are like really, really, really.
But anyway, so what I'm saying is abstract chain is going to be where you, we're leading abstract with creator content, right?
Streamers can get paid without having to lose a cut or a percentage of their tips.
That's a big selling point for the next big streamer.
And we have crypto integrated in those tips at the ETH,
USDCE, whether it be Pingu or even other coins.
So that's something to look out for.
This is where we have, it's called the abstract portal, where we can put like Kuga's game
and put it in front of an audience who wants to plug and play turnkey, you know, have that
Web3 app store and just be introduced to those games that like Goblin Town don't need a wallet
per se, but just with their email,
they're already in the game. They're already set up for Web3. But all that aside, that's something
Luca has that no one else has. He is the drop shipping king that we've always known him to be.
In 2025, his same game, his same approach to viral marketing, product placement is in motion.
And we just have to pay attention.
He wins because he knows the hustle and the game and he knows how to leverage clout.
So I'm here for a voice. I'm here.
Good deal. Good presentation right there. You sounded like
you were an action drama. So for any speakers going forward, if you're in the shower or taking
a shit on the potty and you sound like that right there, exactly. If you did, I am going to mute
your mic and kick your ass off the stage. So come on, McAvely, let's go, Cyber Ape. You better
prepare. So if you're on the potty, get off, wipeAvely. Let's go, CyberApe. You better prepare.
So if you're on the potty, get off.
Wipe that butt, get off, and let's get ready for your presentation going forward.
Mac, what you got?
Something that Loki said earlier really made sense to me is that NFTs are the underlying technology.
But what they've done is, and Cab equated to it, it's been like an IP incubator for anybody who has some decent or great looking IP or has a dream that they can lay out a story worth and stuff like that.
You can come catch your first 1000 right here.
You know what I'm saying?
You can really like that right there is like they tell you in streaming, you got to get your first 1000 true fans and stuff like that.
Like that right here is the magic of what this technology has brought to creators and stuff like that and i think that it is just like a fast start for ip
and we're seeing a lot of great ip come out of it but even to the fact that what i was trying to say
about what luca was saying earlier how he wants his brand to be the face of it i don't think it's
just he wants that payment to be the face of just this tech it's also we see banek and all these
other financial institutions getting involved.
I think that it's more to that.
And I say all that with love and stuff like that.
I don't ever want my comments either to be taken negatively because I'm in this ecosystem
because of IP.
Because I love character.
I love world building.
I love storytelling.
I love all of that.
I can't wait to launch my own IP in this ecosystem one day when I know that I'm ready to handle that feat, you know, because you really bring your web to Ackerman here and your business sense of knowledge and those principles and you apply them on chain.
It's going to be really hard to fail.
Thank you, Mac. We do appreciate you, man. You you do bring a valid point to the conversation every time that I'm around and I hear you speak.
I'm not just glazing you because you are an ape. I'm glazing you because your ape is rusty and crusty and
Burn up as a motherfucker and you need some lotion on that glaze. Um,
Sorry about that. Not sorry, but yes cyber ape and then I think shotgun came up
So we'll go cyber ape and then we'll go shotgun
You know, I'm very impressed with a few things that Luca has done, but I'm also, you know, I look at things like transactions in Unity, Unreal, and WebGL.
And there's so many plays that some of these other bigger founders have slept on for such a long time
that have been on their forefront because it feels like there's been more of a response for KOLs.
You know, get that call to action out, making sure that
they're always building a bag. Um, you know, for me, it's been different. You know, I spent $30
million on our own game to go live. And we are the first crypto NFT project that's been approved for consoles that launches next week on the first
and i feel like how does somebody who comes in and in three years
builds and puts more promise on something that most of these guys should have had
Puts more promise on something that most of these guys should have had done by now.
So I don't know.
I mean, I guess I have a different sentiment towards some of these other builders because I hold Ford Apes.
I hold Pudgy.
I hold CryptoPunks.
I hold Izuki.
I've been in the NFT space.
I've spent millions and millions, been rugged for millions and millions, it feels like.
And yet it took me 30 million of my own money and our NFTs.
And yet we're now the first multiverse actual metaverse.
If you go through the seven layers of metaverse that gets to go live on consoles.
And you look at it and you see these guys that are doing IP plays.
They're not like.
their plays for what I would say is more like small instant gratification that plays towards
They're plays for.
the kid side of things versus long-term strategic plays that keeps generational wealth being built.
And I guess that's kind of where I have a hang up in Web3 because I think that the point of it is for us is to be able to come out here and build this bag for generations, not just short term gains.
Yeah, understood.
Valid point, man.
We see.
I didn't know you were that involved.
I didn't know you was that deep.
I remember Cyber Avia Club from a while back, I kind of scratched the surface with it,
but I didn't know I had no idea, but touche man hats off to you for, uh, for sticking around and
building and, uh, you know, it builders will build and, you know, and keep building and definitely
it's going to ramp up for you. Um, But yeah, great to have you in the conversation.
Well, this is Code Compiler, everybody.
In case you guys didn't know, this is Code Compiler behind the Cyber API Club.
So you are actually talking to the owner of Cyber API Club, Unreal Kingdoms, which is
the game that is being released on PlayStation, Xbox, and PC.
It is on Steam.
It is.
You're able to wishlist it for the first there is you're able to wishlist it for the first
there you're able to wishlist it for the first on playstation and tomorrow we should be to where
you guys can wishlist it on xbox so nice nice yeah man glad to hear that you know things are
moving forward for you and uh hell if you if you want to be the face you know because it heavy the
head is the one for the one who wears the crown right and you came up with the crown on so if you
end up being the face nobody wants to be the face nobody exactly but if you end up right nobody wants
to be but somebody has to be right and if if because of your accolades and your dedication
and your work if you end up being it bro we're gonna get behind you and put our pom-poms on and follow you as well.
Loki, what you got, bro?
You're very random.
I feel NFTs are coming back.
Why?
Today I sold two little Pudgy for two ifs each, while the floor price is 1.5.
Totally random.
I mean, I always over list my stuff
and when this happens it means people are buying what they love people are really buying the
jpacks we're so back we are so back uh these are coming back i mean you look at it you look at
groups like quirkies that have always just been in the background building, always being able to put out their IP, their brands. They don't change
up. Everything that they have is community sentiment. I think the biggest thing that we're
missing in this space, which I've tried to personally be a massive, a part of it is
transparency. The biggest thing that founders go out there and tell you is, is I got something
coming up and it's the hype that they're going to leave you sitting on for 90 days. And then it's
like, check this out. Something that is so in my personal feeling, I feel like it's been very
mediocre. And as a founder, we took the aspect of doing everything 100 transparent my community could tell you
practically my debit card number because they watch me pay the 340 000 in bills every month
and i do that shit live you know everybody sits back and watches the the build out and i think
that that's going to be the thing that if luca and garga and all the other guys that want to go
and build this ecosystem to the
next step is, is I think that an extra layer of transparency is going to be what's going to be
required for them to get there. There you go. Great take, bro. I think Shotgun was up and then
Machiavelli. Shotgun, did you have anything? Yo, what's going on, guys? I really don't have much.
I just got here uh one thing i'll
say though is that like i've been in the nft space since like early 2021 so it's been fun
seeing the progression and everything i think we are on the verge of seeing more and more people
gravitate towards our space uh obviously we're already seeing that with abstract and like all
these projects that have been launching lately like Like, they have been doing good.
Quick shout-out to Cap because I'm a huge fan of what he's doing with Clasaurus, one of my favorite projects in Solana for sure.
And, yeah, guys, thanks for having me.
I actually just got here.
I had some family issues IRL, so sorry for being late.
But I'm just, like, catching up with the conversation.
So thanks for having me.
Yo, bro.
2021, still don't understand shit
yeah I'm still fucked
hey I didn't
I didn't ask Hans
yeah tell us something
about Zuki
what's going on
did they rag?
the floor pressure's down
and there you have it cut and dry Floor pressure's down.
And there you have it.
Cut and dry.
So, you know.
Hey, man.
Awesome.
I think McAvely was up.
Did he rock?
Mac, are you still? No, I heard he is.
But old CyberAviac Club came up here fucking dropping.
up here fucking dropping he said a lot of things but i heard him saying that he owns the the rights
He said a lot of things.
to crypto rails across unity all the all the major playing fields and in situations which means is
that if you're going to transact on those platforms you're going to have to go through him
if i'm not mistaken if i just heard that that. That is correct. That is correct.
We own the patents.
We filed all the PCTs after they were approved.
We own all the crypto transaction availability for Unity, Unreal, and WebGL.
Wow.
Okay.
Wait, wait.
Those patents have been approved and finalized?
Yes, they have and we even had the patent attorneys in on our space explaining how we just built one of the biggest moats around web 3 Yes, that's huge man, that's huge huge news and that's what I said builders will build man and you can't deny that
So keep championing the space championing the cause whatever
you find if if it's your cause it might not be somebody else's cause but definitely if you can
push something forward man it rise in tides right so things like that i'm i'm interested in hearing
i'm proud of hearing because like shit somebody got it and somebody who's actually doing something
with it or who will be there tomorrow has got it
you know or owns it or has a you know has a hand in it so yeah man hats off to you bro um yeah i
hope that works out and scales for you because that's you know that's ultimately what we do this
stuff for to for accessibility usability and scaling and what have you and hopefully it just
scales out for you shotgun you wanted to come back up?
Yo, I just wanted to give a quick,
serious answer on the Azuki question from Loki.
Because, you know, obviously the floor price is down,
but that's all we know.
But we're looking forward to the TCG, right?
Launch that's happening later this year.
They're dropping the first Alpha Dex,
which is pretty, pretty dope.
The global trading card, like, industry is like a $13 billion.
So I'm hoping that they can carve into a little bit better.
Those of you that don't know, they have people that are in the niche already in the team.
So it's not like they're getting there with zero know-how.
They have people that know what they're doing, like doing the game and making sure that the mechanics are on point.
So I'm personally really looking forward to that.
And other than that, just waiting for episode three and Domain Wars.
So those of you that don't know, like Domain Wars is like a community thing that we're doing.
Like we're going to do like some challenges between teams and like you You could mint the emblems for each element.
The elements are going to go against each other.
There's also that.
Beans are free, dude.
I don't know why people don't like the beans.
These motherfuckers are the main characters in the whole thing.
They let the floor press go to 0.1 or whatever.
I'm buying beans bro i've paid 1.85 eth for my beans when it was
0.17 for beans bro uh i have like a habit of being exit liquidity but the thing that people
don't realize is i make that money back real quick off of my assets uh you know people don't utilize these things they just
want to talk about how other people could utilize it but never think to themselves
hey maybe i use this ip to make myself some money so i can stop crying in the casino like a
love it bro love it 100 but people are lazy they just want to buy an ft and somebody must print
for them yo by the way shotgun i have 11 fucking tcg decks because they say enter the raffle and
like then everybody fucking wanted i don't know like i didn't want that many but also those decks, so maybe this is Alpha,
they are already on the L3, on Anime Chain.
It's just like right now there is no marketplace,
but if I was like a little bit more tech savvy,
I will be able right now to trade those decks.
So I think I will be able to trade those
because I don't want to claim 11 decks
well what is uh it would be nice if we are here somebody from a zuki because i'm oh i bought i
bought a deck loki from uh like a set from uh my boy zoo shadow zoo you know what i mean like bro i
like yo maybe somebody i know somebody could throw together a little marketplace on L3.
Maybe I do that.
They will 100%.
They will 100%.
Oh, bro, my friend has a marketplace where you can use the credit card.
You know what I'm saying?
Wow.
But talking about TCG, so I i was i'm a little bit concerned because both of the guys there is
rose and i forgot the name of the the other guy they come from a pokemon tcg background which is
like the worst fucking game ever so i'm i'm i'm concerned there shotgun have you ever played
pokemon cards jesus christ hell yeah dude i'm addicted not only to the real tcg but the tcg I have concern there. Shotgun, have you ever played Pokemon cards? Jesus Christ.
Hell yeah, dude.
I'm addicted.
Not only to the real TCG, but the TCG app.
So I'm that type of weed.
Holy shit, this guy's retarded.
Bro, how can you be addicted to that game? Oh, you mean the TCG, the one, the mobile app.
Okay, I play that too. That's fun. But I mean, the tcg the one the mobile app okay i play that too that's fun but i
mean the real game it's incredibly boring like compared to any other major like magic uh what
else hairstone come on now it's not going to be like pokemon or where fuck yeah i mean i'm not
sure like how exactly like it's going to be but i can pin up a post
where seven kind of put all the details that we know so far about the tcg pretty good recap if
you guys can check in the job i'm sorry if i did if i couldn't pin i didn't know but i'm just
trying to spread good info here uh it's pretty much all we know so far is there. I hope it's not as, like, complicated as Pokemon.
But I'm personally expecting more something like One Piece.
Not sure if any of you guys have played the One Piece TCG.
But I know the people that are in the team.
Some of them have competed in actual One Piece tournaments.
So maybe they could, like, gravitate towards that type of, like, I don't know, like, like the type of game, if that makes any sense.
Yeah, I hope so. I hope so. Thank you.
So, are we Cook?
I'll be more Cook.
I wanted to ask cab a question um yeah how many of those i know you
guys recently took home some awards for your animation and stuff like that and like what
are you guys going to be releasing any series short series soon that we can watch or have you
guys been yeah uh we're in pre-production well actually we just started production um and we're gonna
announce who the partner is um on the distribution production side of things uh in i think end of may
is when we're announcing it uh tldr we're also going to host one of the headlining parties at
uh the anisee uh animation festival which is, like, basically the Cannes Film Festival for animation.
Where's that?
It's in Annecy, man.
It's like Lake Como, but for France.
But it's like saying the Cannes Film Festival for animation.
That's where, like, Pixar and Disney premiere
their films and all that kind of stuff.
Yes.
To put it short, yeah, we are
making a TV show, but, you know, we've been kind of, like, just, like short, yeah, we're, we're, we are making a TV show, but you know, I've
been, we've been kind of like, just like saying it on the timeline, not trying to draw too
much attention to it, but there'll be some pretty big announcements soon.
Oh man, I'm so glad I asked.
Uh, super excited.
You're one of the great IPs that I feel comes from the Web3 ecosystem.
You know what I'm saying?
Y'all are definitely breaking the barrier and the chains
like so many others.
And, like, it's just so great to see.
That means a lot, man.
Thanks.
Yep.
Loki, I guess it's time for us to have to cook the penguins
and have fried chicken, bro.
I think we are cooked.
What do you think?
Hero don't laugh at that, bro. He gave me. Yo, bro, I think we all cooked. What do you think? Hero don't laugh at that, bro.
He gave me...
Yo, bro, that was diabolical.
Like, this is almost as bad as
Finn, like, air-frying a
steak right now. Like, how are you gonna do
them like this?
Yo, let's touch
Pokemon NFTs, guys.
We haven't talked about that.
Oh, yeah. Oh, so the Sui thing?
Yeah.
Actually, it's already live.
I don't have the app.
And they call it Metals.
So, I mean, like,
of course you have, like,
the Pokemon fans say,
no, fucking NFTs.
Don't mix NFTs with Pokemon. And then you have Web3 people saying, oh, but it's not real.
Nobody knows.
And so it's just like in the back end.
So who cares?
They just use for store, store digital items.
So, I mean, I think it's a good start.
Yeah, I mean, what's wrong with that? Like, wasn't that the whole point?
Baby steps.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, so we know for every game they have,
So we know for every game they have, they have like issue with trading, hacking, and this kind of stuff.
So it just really feels like a natural evolution of things.
Of course, right now, it would be crazy for them to start a like a PFP Genesis 1esis one pokemon collectible but it's inevitable shotgun oh dude i
just wanted to say and from what i read uh those would make pokemon tradable as well like those
are would not be like sbts so in my personal opinion like what gets me most excited is the
fact that like you're going to be able to like grind a game and maybe like, I don't know, sell a shiny at a premium price or some shit like that.
Like that's what gets me most excited because it would finally give me a reason to shiny hunt because I used to do it for no reason.
Burn like fucking stupid amount of hours in the game just, you know, doing shiny.
So now people won't be able to do, won't be able to like hack the thing.
So I think the trading
aspect is going to be interesting yeah i'm surprised as well i mean we have we have so
many other wet three apps even after like uh you have an achievement you get a badge it's spt
makes sense but even pokemon they made it tradable yeah, that really surprised me when I read that shit.
Same. I thought they were going to play it safe, but here we are. Let's go.
Yeah, maybe also because, I mean, nobody really cares about the app.
I read some feedbacks, a few people using it.
It's laggy and actually, actually i mean it's not really useful
but what do you think like how many years is it gonna take for somebody like pokemon
launching nfts as we as we think i'm about on two three years but i don't know
i don't want to be that guy but uh you know artifact launched some pokemon-esque
uh characters that didn't go don't do it to us bro yeah bro i gotta go i you know listen man
i yo bro i was i'm still one of the the biggest supporters of the creators of like content for clones but like at the same time bro
i'm also the biggest skeptic of like what had gone on because like if they just listened to their
staff like i don't know bro yo how about gta 6 uh do they have their own crypto? Is it confirmed or what?
So that's not confirmed, but you know, if somebody has the patent to has like the crypto rails either so i don't know if they're
going to want to pay uh this guy a licensing fee or not to be honest like like what what's the
upside to them like they collect millions and millions of dollars you can't trade it so there's no secondary fucking market inside of gta5
you know like you buy the tokens and they're just stuck on your account like i don't like
i don't know if they're gonna want to go blockchain and then have to deal with the complications of that sonium is a thing kuro
yeah sonium is a thing but sony is also a very like forward thinking business right like they're
looking at it like yeah you got to buy our token to buy all these other tokens so it's still the
same thing to them right but like i i don't think other companies are going
to go down that path to be like completely honest i think they'll license a lot of like the gaming
companies will license a lot of ip and like use that ip to build out games but i don't think that
they're gonna like go the crypto rails route especially especially if they got to pay
licensing fees
and the upside is minimal.
I have a question.
Just a quick question.
Yes or no answer from some of you.
Are any of you guys going to play
that Unreal Kingdom game?
Because I'm not.
Going to play what, Max? Say it again.
Unreal Kingdoms game.
Unreal Kingdoms?
I'm not familiar with it.
Okay. Never mind then.
The guy just came up here to talk about it.
I didn't hear about it until today.
I do follow his main account,
so I'm not sure i'm gonna
check it out man i'd like yo listen in this space especially you gotta you gotta give anything a
chance because you don't you know everything here starts as a scam i don't care what anyone says
everything here starts as a scam of somebody trying to get some money that's that's what i know
okay i don't care what anyone says this is the reality of the situation and then it evolves
into a business like that's the thing is the beautiful thing about everything that goes on here
everything starts off as somebody trying to figure out a way to make some money
and then it turns into a business once they figure out a way that they could sustain it.
Like, look at Artifact, man.
Hi, Ronnie.
So figuring out a way to make some money is a scam?
Alpha Dijan, I'm just going to say it right now.
Artifact is a perfect example of somebody who didn't know how to build a business.
Artifact is a perfect example of extraction.
And I can speak for myself and others Kuro there's hope there is shining hope and I just turned off my shower there is shining hope here we
started as a passion project right in Hollywood let's let's let's get this
clear it's show business right it's not show friends you don't get what you deserve
you get what you negotiate if you're going to survive you're going to have to evolve
you're going to have to equip yourself with team members who have business acumen and know-how
but the seed always starts with an artist and a creator and i say that coming from a game studio
paradigm so kuro there's hope oh i'm not saying there's no hope
i'm just saying like bro my wallet is like a testament to what i'm saying is like everything
starts off with some sort of intention and like it either evolves or it doesn't like you guys
evolved you guys like published games you guys actually do
stuff but like you know like it's difficult to fucking like businesses like 99% of businesses
that people start up fail like it's not necessarily a scam it's just like whatever right like I don't
take no offense when something fails but like
you know a lot of people are not in the position where they can like have that sort of sentiment
towards a business failing right like bro there's businesses that just never tried too right like
there's a lot of different uh categories here man it's either you evolve or you die like yo
if you look at the azuki story nobody thought that they were gonna drop one episode let alone
two episodes and like continue to to to like evolve like that's how this works out like yo Like, yo, yeah, I get passion, whatever, bro.
But passion doesn't, is not a, like, it doesn't dictate success to me.
Yo, guys, love your take.
So many wise words coming from the Kuga account tonight.
I absolutely love all your take tonight.
Talking about Cam, we got Cav here coming from Final Bozu.
Bro.
What the fuck?
Oh, man.
What's up?
I gave you a beautiful intro.
Are you ever going to reveal or what?
Never.
The dev died the other day, so it's not happening anymore, guys.
This is what it is.
We got to accept it and move on.
That's okay, bro. So many other projects still have to reveal, like Meme Land or...
That's true. If we're before Meme Land, that's an achievement.
We're getting close. Tomorrow, I'll make the announcement of the announcement of the announcement that tomorrow will announce what's gonna happen next.
Step in the right direction, right?
I wanted to give the people some clarity. So, nah, but it's getting close. It's hard work. Yeah. I think after everything is said and done,
and if people still like us,
then I'll have to do a proper behind-the-scenes look
into everything that actually goes on behind the scenes
because it's intense.
It's a lot of hard work.
No sleep.
The team has been going day and night to focus on this next phase.
The one of ones look great, man.
The reveals look great.
Thank you. I appreciate that.
Those are awesome.
The community actually, over the
last months, was asking a lot about that.
So we've
actually, kind of the last minute,
the ID came to us
a couple weeks back and we're like, this actually makes a lot of sense.
Let's do it.
Those are things that I think is really awesome of Web3, getting that feedback and then implementing it.
Yeah, I'm excited.
Excited to show everybody what we've been created.
I think we've done something special.
Woo! I think we've done something special. Yo, by the way, you mentioned hard work, guys.
A round of applause.
I mean, we had Goblin Town, Kuga,
Cub from Clay,
Cub from Final Bozu
coming here and talking on Sunday.
So we have three never sleep.
Kev, are you going to do this forever?
Forever.
That sounds kind of depressing in a way.
Stuck with you guys.
No, I'm kidding.
I have no intention of quitting yet.
I'm generally enjoying it.
I mean, like, it's kind of escapism
jumping on spaces, talking to people.
I would always say that I'm blessed with a good team
so I can do these things and it's natural to me.
So, yeah, you guys won't get rid of me for for a while
and actually generally
not that easy
not that easy no
I think these spaces are actually good
for founders in general because
in generally
the spaces are positive
and it's nice to get
an opportunity to speak out your thoughts
and personally I'm not that good of a writer.
I don't enjoy writing at all.
I do like creating videos.
So for me, this is just like an outlet, right?
And I think generally founders should be doing this more
because you learn a lot and it's an important part of it.
So yeah, forever.
Yo, guys, if you guys haven't minted FinalBots,
so you probably don't know,
or if you are not an order FinalBot,
you don't know what Kev is talking about.
Basically, let's say weekly,
he drops some video to orders inside the Discord.
And if you were going to mint,
and now they have like a community path,
whatever, these guys like,
just dropping you a video every time.
Basically, I had to, took like one hour
to watch other faces while I was minting.
But I mean, that's something that never happened before,
I think, I mean, not in this size.
So I hope this is a good strategy for retaining more people knowing about what you guys are building,
knowing about the lore of the brand.
And this is such a problem in our space, like people don't know shit.
And this is such a problem in our space.
Like people don't know shit.
Even like the others, they're holding something they don't know literally everything that's happening.
And then they spread misinformation on Twitter.
Still nobody really has solved this problem that we have.
I don't know if it will ever be solved, but yeah, that's the thing.
Guys, I'm...
Can I grab a second here? And let's give away a PlayStation in your guys' space right now
for you all. And yeah, and you all know, I'll even give it in the value of ETH.
So that way, depending on where you are in whatever country, you all can get one.
And go ahead, Machiavelli. I know that you don't want to play my game, but you can also get in it and get yourself a PlayStation.
It's cool.
It's cool, baby.
It's cool, baby.
I'll get you one, too. I'll get you one, too. I'll buy you a PlayStation 2 big buck big dog that way you can come in
And then you don't even have to feel like you out of place or anything big dog
I got you, but we'll give out not one but two PlayStations one's gonna go to Machiavelli
And then the other you want to at Loki. I want you to be able to farm up some more people over there I need a playstation so yeah so you want to know
that the thing is though is yes we haven't been loud we haven't been loud
and you are not it's okay.
I appreciate everybody in Web3 more than anything.
You guys have been able to allow me to build my dream and enjoy this.
But there's a lot of founders in here.
You know, I was at Art Basel there with Kuga here, and we enjoyed ourselves.
I got to go and check out their game.
They got to come over and check out mine.
We got to go and see different things.
You know, the thing about being able to be out in this space is being able to grow together
and being able to function together and being able to go and help each other.
And I want you guys to understand this.
If there's ever anybody that ever has anything negative to say, kill them with kindness, baby.
Go ahead and ship that motherfucker a good PlayStation and let him watch all of his friends join in. Because we have 12 partnerships and we
have four of the top 10 NFT projects that are now already in conversation and partnerships with us
right now to join us in Unreal Kingdoms. So you might be holding on to an NFT right now that might be joining us also.
So, you know, let the big word go.
Let it fly.
Let everybody sit back and, like I try to tell everybody, kill everything with kindness.
You know, smile.
So, Loki, I'd like you to make a post.
And I want you to be able to farm up all these people to be able to come in and see your space
whenever you guys are out here hosting up everything.
And if you want to use the Twitter picker, you can, or I will use the Twitter picker
and be able to go and select somebody here.
Let's say, let's give it a 10-minute timer,
and we'll give somebody either, we'll ship them a PlayStation,
or they can get the each value of it to be able to buy a PlayStation.
One of the two.
Yo, thanks.
But right now I'm cook and I think we are going to close.
I will send you a DM and let's do this better next time.
It makes much more sense for you too.
All right, I'll tell you what.
I'll send you the funds
then, Loki, for your next
space to be able to either give out or
keep the PlayStation, one of the two.
Alright, yeah.
Next time, bro, you just came up and then
we do all the things I will announce.
So, don't worry.
We're launching Unreal Kingdoms.
We're going to have fun with it this next week.
I hope you all are ready.
I see half the audience down here that's actually in my Discord.
This is crazy.
Sheesh.
This is beautiful.
But, yes, you know, come on in.
Let me know.
Machiavelli, go ahead.
Shoot me that eats address, big dog.
I'll make sure you can get on PlayStation today.
Fuck yeah, baby.
Let's go.
I know you got Amazon the same day
delivered, Big Dog.
Everybody knows who the
fuck Unreal Kingdoms is now,
Big Dog, in this motherfucking space
who didn't. Right now,
Unreal Kingdoms dropping on May
motherfucking first.
Yo, who didn't right now unreal kingdom dropping all may motherfucking first yo i know i'm just show up because he hear about the playstation bro hey this is my point this is my point you know like i said so i'm gonna loki shoot me your i'm
gonna send you a message right now actually uh so that way i know it's you and I'm gonna send Machiavelli
a message right now so that way I know it's him and nobody can can try to
change their name and try to fuck up anything
yeah okay next time we're going to to do a big giveaway man maybe not next Sunday I think next Sunday everybody will be in Dubai so we're going to do a big giveaway, man. Maybe not next Sunday.
I think next Sunday everybody will be in Dubai,
so we're going to take a week break and come back in two weeks.
Anon, okay, last take from you.
I just got up here.
I just want to clarify.
I don't know what that project is, but first impression,
hey, take it or leave it. Of all things to call your projects, Cyber Ape Yacht Club.
Like, I don't know. It's not 2021 anymore. I know it's not the name of like this project,
but just like using that, it's just, It's not setting the right tone, bro.
I'm trying to help you out.
I really am.
I know I sound like a dick, but...
I mean, I'll give you the clout that you have a CryptoPunk.
I mean, I have one too.
I don't need clout.
I'll give you the clout that you might hold a few more days.
I'll give you the cut that you might hold a few more days.
I own 30.
But, you know, the fact being is I've been in this space for such a long, long, long time.
I've been in the crypto space since big.
Fuck, I was doing $30,000 transactions when Bitcoin was 18 cents with Bitcoin.
So the thing is, is mine was more of a jab for getting essentially fucked out of a deal that I put up the money on.
And then I had a whole community and I had people that were amazing people like my guy, Poppy at Quirkies and a bunch of others that said, you want to turn this into everything your heart desires and dreams to be.
into everything your heart desires and dreams to be.
And so many amazing founders and other people that stepped in and said,
you want to, you have something that you're building.
And no offense, I own some of the most powerful IP in Web3 right now.
So the fact being is, is I own the patents.
Every single member that you see down here,
every one of the
partner projects that are down here there's not a project that you can tell me that is going live
there's not pudgies that can do it there's no project that is going live that can handle a
crypto transaction that doesn't end up going and licensing through me and my community
so you can take it wherever you want i personally personally don't give a shit. Me? We're out here building?
That's not true, what you just said.
What you just said is so emphatically not true.
Really?
Who owns the patents for crypto transactions
in Web3 for Unity, Unreal, and WebGL?
I can tell you who does, and that's me.
No, you don't.
You don't. Yes, I do. Yes, I actually do. Oh, okay. In fact, every one of
the members, you can go ahead. Let's see. I can go. I can start with Mike C, Thor's, Astro,
down below, Bedtime Creations. You can ask them, you can ask anybody.
Matter of fact, we have our patents posted in our Discord.
We've had patent attorneys actually come onto the spaces
and explain how our patents actually have the biggest moat around Web3.
So whatever Google attorney availability you think you got,
it's probably not going to outdo the largest patent group
in the world, Brown, and what their attorneys also say, that they've done live on spaces
and clarified that we own the largest moat around Web3. And that space is available. So if you want
to go dig through those spaces, I'm sure that one of the guys that are down below will probably give you that space.
Yeah, I'll definitely.
And then we've also had Andromeda and their attorneys go in and also go through everything,
who's also a partner with us.
And their attorneys straight up said, hey, guess what?
We own the biggest moat in Web3 when it comes to crypto transactions, gambling, name it so you know big dog it's cool you may not have done your research and i
don't want you to go and beat your chest like you actually know what you're fucking talking about
because you don't okay that's not killing him with kindness nope that isn't killing him with kindness. Nope, that isn't killing it with kindness
Alright guys all right guys so i think we we stop here that was that was an interesting day night wherever you are
we talk about everything nfts i appreciate everybody uh for helping costing the speaker guys uh follow each other whatever and i'm expecting
also a playstation from kuga final bozu and clay goblin town and all the fucking projects showing
up good night guys i love you
