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Recorded: June 29, 2025 Duration: 1:58:31Space Recording
Short Summary
Pudgy Penguins is making waves in the crypto space with significant project launches, partnerships, and a notable presence in the NFT market, showcasing impressive growth and innovative trends. The community is buzzing about upcoming token launches and play-to-earn mechanics that promise to reshape user engagement and investment opportunities.
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I see a black boom, I'm a shea D-Rex
No matter what happens, even I come between us again
I know about the friends, you better bet on science
I'm a VNX, game of the show around my friends
Try to fix some energy up, it don't believe it, baby.
I know you're lies.
I'm all night long.
What you mean I change?
I'm not saying the same.
I'm losing my mind.
I'm losing the city is mine.
I ain't never repositing me. I'm losing my mind. I'm losing the city's mind.
I ain't never representing you.
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Cause I wanna make it.
Don't stop it.
Believe all the baby.
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And you ain't gonna make it
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No, no, yo, yo, yo.
Hey, great song, great song, great start of the day.
Alpha, finally you made it.
What happened there?
Mine said 11 o'clock, so I just thought I'd be just a couple of minutes early.
I think I got caught in traffic in New York.
I'm not even in New York, but I got caught in the New York NFT, not NFT traffic.
And then I ran into Grapeful.
And he said, hey, man, Loki said, where the hell are you?
So I had to jump in.
Man, you got to be careful because machiavelli want to take your place
uh it starts as an horse but he's working his way up the ranks i see he even got the
lightsaber and everything in his hand yeah what is that yeah that's that kill bill sword we're coming out here we root this with it
and there you have it all right guys since we are waiting for more guests
let's let's say hi to grateful what's up what's up guys how you doing it's so
hot here it's crazy and you know I'm located in Europe so we don't have AC. We don't have AC so it's crazy but yeah can't wait to talk to you guys. Yeah I know. I've been there, bro.
But, yeah, let me... Just give us the address, apartment room.
It's called Prague's castle.
Yeah, the walls are thick.
They are thick as my portfolio, but...
Man, it's still hot here, so...
Are they red or green?
Oh, they are green, man man they're so green it's crazy
yo Sin Sanity where are you
oh man we don't have
yo what is up everyone gm good afternoon good evening wherever you are in this wonderful, wonderful planet.
I'm doing well, you know, sitting in my cozy AC unit right now where I am.
It's a Sunday morning where I am. Hope you guys are doing amazing.
Man, dude, the vibes are high.
Speaking of which, dude, you guys, I didn't check the charts this morning, but Pengu, man, guys, Pengu, come on.
It's doing well, doing well. well how are you loki how's
everything with you bro yeah i mean my timeline is uh pangu pengu invasion and yeah i think we are
like plus 60 it's uh it's been wild but speaking of nfts not speaking of coins, it's been two weeks.
Basically, our legacy IP, blue chip, let's call them like that, they are pretty stagnant.
They're not going anywhere, even penguins.
Instead, Moonbirds, it's been two weeks of, I think now, plus 100%.
I mean, it's crazy. They are trading like they're getting an ETF
What's going there?
Like I don't know maybe they maybe people they
They misunderstood which bird is getting the ETF
You know, I think what it is is that you know Spencer is packing that heat
They're starting to see what's going to happen.
You know what I'm saying?
And whatever chatter is going on in the background, those birds are flying.
Oh, man, absolutely.
So many times we've seen this.
Basically, you invest in the fund, you invest in the team.
Whatever it's the IP, the brand brand or even the art comes secondary
i think it's a it's it's a new roadmap announcement man uh there should be uh coin metaverse and uh
black hoodie merch so yeah everyone's excited for that. So that's probably why
Moonbirds are flying right now
Yeah, I think so too, man
Yo, so
Today we are going to start with Pudgy. We are waiting for Foxy. We are waiting for Luca
We'll be brief. We just cover what's going on this
week I mean Pudges being insane so many news and then we talk about the other side because there
has been a big update actually you guys need to help me on this because I'm not really practical
expert but yeah so much so many things to talk, man, I'm super excited about what's going on with the Pudgees
and them being with Van Eck and ringing the bell.
And, you know, the Penguin has been taking center stage in a lot of huge places.
You know what I'm saying?
And I think that as we continue to ramp up, you know what I'm saying?
Like, we're seeing the Penguin proliferate, just like we heard and have seen before, you know, so super excited
just to watch all of the things
happening. Oh, look,
Foxy's in the building.
Foxy come around, make
him shut it down.
Hi, guys.
Can you guys hear me?
A little bit rockier.
Yeah, loud and clear.
Cool.
How's the night?
Pangu is pumping like crazy.
It's been a good week for Pangu.
Plus 73%.
Foxy, did you just wake up?
No, I haven't slept for like two days.
Yeah, that sounds accurate to be honest.
Get some sleep.
I know, I know.
I agree. We went to Turkey.
If you guys see that,
the Istanbul blockchain week.
We did really well there.
I think the Turkish were really really happy.
Like they were saying like what Pengu is this?
A lot of people look into the wallet. So I think they did like really, really happy. They were saying, like, what Pengu is this?
A lot of people look into the wallet.
So I think they did, like, ape a little bit.
And then Erin's in France for EFCC.
And I'm in Malaysia cooking a lot of stuff for Pengu Asia.
But, yeah, good to see all the familiar faces here tonight.
Thank you, Foxy. Thank you. Actually, I even forgot about the event in Turkey. I mean, it's,
it's so the, we add the NFT New York, then Istanbul, then it's coming can, can, right?
Yeah. Correct. We just did a yoga event.
It's still ongoing.
And then tomorrow it's going to be with my new neighbors.
And then the VIP dinner event.
So we have a few events.
Like, they're cooking up.
Paiji is never stopped.
I'm not even kidding.
Like, NFT NYC um permissionless everything how's the sorry proof how how was the istanbul event like the community there i know it was
wasn't it the first time like pudgy was in istanbul right yeah it's first time um first
time because of pangu um they're actually like for Binance.
Okay, so that's why like Binance pumped quite a bit lately for Pangu.
They're number three, world trader for Binance.
So Asia has been pumping up.
Turkey, I'm glad that we made the decision to go there to open up the market there.
So it's really fun to see the traders.
Foxy, did you guys hire a new community lead?
Or was that like not official?
Which one? For Asia division or for...
Yeah, I think it was a new division opened up, right?
I think it was like, was it Africa, India?
Yeah, Africa.
That was a new one.
Yeah, yeah, I saw.
Yeah, that is after Turkey.
A lot of people ask,
do you guys want to come over to Africa
and Nigeria and Kenya too?
The numbers make sense,
but we'll see.
India blockchain is happening this year as well.
We will go there. So I feel there's gonna be more volume
Pushing on on on Pangu with with countries like that
the competition still strong though
And this is new also actually yeah, thanks Fosse for everything you do. Luckily today you're not in Asia, so it's pretty, it's still early for you.
But I know like you, you guys work hard in, I mean, let me tell you to the people that are not really familiar with penguin, pudgy Penguins, what's cooking. It's too much, I cannot really list it all,
but I will try, probably I will forget something. In the last two weeks, we've seen the Candy
Pass collab finally taking live, we've seen the container is ready with the Pengu face.
Then we've seen NASCAR collaboration and the NASCAR Paget stickers on top. Then we've seen NASCAR collaboration and the NASCAR Pudgy stickers on time.
Then we've seen on Monday, Pengu, Moscow ringing the bell and NASDAQ.
Then we see the ETF filing actually is a second stage.
I'm not sure what it means. I see ASCII in the audience, if you want to come here to explain a little bit.
Then we've seen so many events.
There was like Abstra, Penguins, New York with OpenSea,
you guys in Turkey, and next in Cannes.
I mean, Pudgy is always in literally every event around the world.
is always like in every,
literally every event around the world.
That's crazy.
I read something else,
like penguins hitting billions of views.
I don't know if it's like monthly.
I mean, yeah, probably not daily,
but another crazy metrics to share.
And pengu finally up 60%, 100%.
I don't know.
That's insane.
That's simply insane
bro it sounds like you said up 60 100 i don't know but whatever it is it's all good man pingo
take us higher we don't mind riding on a burb hell for crying out loud i came to this space
is riding on a mule on a dang machiavelli mule so we you know I don't mind riding on the burbs. So take us higher, baby, to, you know, rising tides.
And definitely Pingo is all over the place, man.
And going global and staying global and staying, doubling down on that conviction
is one that we got to pay respect to.
Luca has taken the reins, man, and done some stuff, you know,
and has just taken, pushed the envelope so far that it's going to be hard to follow him.
But definitely, you know, the higher he goes, the higher everybody goes.
So, you know, take flight, flightless burbs, and get us up there, man.
We appreciate y'all for everything you're doing for the space.
Go ahead, Luca.
Yeah, thank you alpha uh okay i'm gonna throw it to to foxy uh i think this is a question for you maybe more than for luca so with everything going on with
uh with the fundamental i would like that, you guys are building on social media products, literally being everywhere.
And it's been just three years, but it's insane. I mean, Matrix talking.
So my question will be, are we just a Lisa moment away from becoming the next Labubu?
Wow. A lot of people talk, even like Pajun HQ, I was like, you know, what's this whole Labubu craze thing?
It's so crazy. Now they have Crybabybaby have you guys heard of Crybaby
in Asia
it's a new IP
that they're pushing for Crybaby
Labubu is kind of like over
and move up to
Crybaby but anyways
we are like looking
when you look at the data right
the GIF is so um i really do think
that whoever again like luca say that and i think he's gonna say that again like whoever control the
chief control the memes and whoever control the means control the world so i really do think that
there's so many more partnerships coming up as well we haven't announced um maybe for the next
two weeks um they're gonna to have some nice partnerships,
collaborations, and also overpass. So we do have quite a bit of coming up. Asia as well. Asia has
something similar to La Bubu or something similar to Cards. So that's next two, three weeks. We're going to roll out that. And we're going to roll out some toys as well. So they're going to be like much, much more than just Web3 marketing. On Web2, we're still cooking very hard behind the scene. A lot of Web2 partnerships are coming up. So really, really stay tuned for that. I know this week we have been pumping a lot on Web 3, but the Web 2 are coming up soon.
Yo, Loki, can I ask her, did you just say you have something similar to La Boo Boo, but a penguin coming up?
Is that what I heard?
Yeah, something like that.
Ooh, yo, that means we're about to get some blind boxes, guys.
I just know it.
No, maybe it's just for events.
But it is something that's different, something that's very web too.
We're also targeting a lot of retail stores and local collabs.
A lot of countries that we go right now. We felt like the local presence is very important
So we are doing that maybe on the smallest skill, but there is something
I'm excited
Well, I mean the the Pudgy Penguins Twitter posted back in February
They were I saw that yo when I saw that i thought you made that like like put that through
ai or something i was like is that real i was like is that yeah yeah yo so those look so cool man
uh i can't wait till those hit the market i think that that's especially with with the
craze that's going on right now in the web2 market with labub boo something like that is right in line to captivate collectors right there
Yeah, so Foxy of course she is not telling us
The details of the release blah blah blah, but yeah my question for you Foxy will be just like I
Mean we we took I sorry like I always ask you about La Bubu every time.
You're probably annoyed.
But I'm like, I feel like, do you feel the brand is ready?
I know it's not the strategy that you guys probably are going to take it,
like to go to a big celebrity and endorse the pangu.
But let's say that we decide that is the right strategy.
Do you feel the brand is ready for it?
Yeah, it's never our strategy.
That would be a cheating way.
We love to do that way,
but it doesn't really make sense to our branding.
We're still going through acquiring brand partnerships and also acquiring
Dusty, the toys company that HQ also just acquired. And through that, we opened a lot of doors.
Recently, we just went to Las Vegas Licensing Expo. The HQ was there. And we got much, much more.
licensing expo the hq was there and we got much much more um we basically we don't need like a
huge celebrity to endorse this we prefer things that organically we prefer things that really
touch hearts and going through the wholesome way um that we feel like it was sustained because
we're playing a long-term game here um i feel like we refill we feel like we're not ready for
that for one thing and also it doesn't go with our ethos that, you know, it goes to every household of ours.
So I feel like not really.
But however, we still do a lot of KOLs, UGCs kind of content that helps us proliferate Pangu on the web too.
So not totally entirely, no no but just on a very
UGC way very organic way
Foxy I like what you said about sustainable we all know how volatile trends are especially
in fashion make no mistake the labubu craze isn't a toy craze. It's a fashion trend.
Now, we see, like you just mentioned, it's already evaporated. It's already old news overseas.
It's ironic how trends have shifted. Remember when we, America, were the trendsetters in Asia and Europe would follow.
But now with the access of social media, we see cycles speedrun their lifespan.
And I fear, I had this conversation with myself, I was like, okay, so LaBubu is going to end.
And is that going to end the trend of La Bubu?
Or is that going to end the trend of having accessories on your purses, on your handbags, on your clutches, on your backpacks?
And I said, no, no, this opened a whole new market of accessory.
Now that void needs to be filled.
We saw that with cell phones.
If you know about cell phone accessories, in America it's not as popular. Yeah, we have our cases, and yeah, we do have our Asian kind of IP that we put on the antenna input or the headphone jack or the dongle jack, but we still have, or even the pop, right? The little holder for the phone case.
We still haven't had that real breakthrough of this is something that everybody's going
to have on their phone, but now we have it because of Labubu.
So now we could easily integrate the Pudgy in the future, but there is a market for accessories
that we've never seen before breakthrough.
And that's the optimism of it all
I know if you look into Labubu right and with Pudgy I feel like because like we
are Web3 IP everyone rooting for it like including non-Pudgy's as well but for
Labubu it's just like a craze it's a craze, but I really want to ask you guys,
how is it doing in the United States
or at the west side?
It's on fire, especially on the east coast.
Every gas station,
every corner store,
every store in America right now
has a little Lefoubu
at the counter for you to pay $20
as soon as you check out.
Oh, wow.
That's crazy.
Do you guys have one?
Anyone here?
Unfortunately, yes, I have one.
I don't.
Aww.
Which one did you have?
I think it's the green one.
He got the little green one with the little smile face.
Oh, that's the lucky one. Lucky green. He got the little green one with the little smile face. Oh, that's the lucky one.
Lucky green.
He got it for his birthday. Are you saying
low-key? That's the low-key one?
Now, Foxy,
I work with
and I've known about
Laboo IP for over
eight years, but I only
collect the vinyls. I don't collect anything that's um
plushy um because i have my shelves my glass cases um those haven't broken through yet um the labubu
blind boxes have the the vinyls haven't made their mark yet because everybody wants something to
cuddle everybody wants something to hang on the rearview mirror on their accessories on their belts so that's that's what's going on
it's it's all fashion more than a collectible and it's also an experience that's viral on tick tock
instagram etc yeah correct so i i we did a little more research about that um the plushy versus the collectible
because pudgy has both of them and for la boo boo case um the plushy you can bring around and that
gives you what was so good about la boo boo is apart from like it's being cute and then really
cute and you know that that the little inner child is out there. But the collectible didn't do that well because you can't bring out one.
Secondly, the content-wise, the content is not giving as much of aura as the plushie.
So you couldn't bring a lot of people to talk about it or really like,
oh my God, you have a labubu.
But when you have a plushie all around, it's like the feel-good factor
that people say, oh my God, you have the green one.
Or we start to talk about collectible, oh, which one do you have?
And Asia has the yoga series too.
So they're really good at smart at coming out of different kind of series and make it very limited.
But for collectible, you can just pull it at home and the price point is higher.
That's the research show that
why La Bubu is so well-done.
One of the reasons is because
it's part of collectible
and part of the social media trends craze
and it's a very good price point, right?
So at that,
with all of the price point,
how it looks,
how accessible it is,
how much of content that a person can get, you know,
unboxing it. With all of these factors, that's why LaBoo would do really well and not collectibles.
Awesome, Foxy. I just saw the hands go up, but you know, Loki's got the Joker card. So Loki's
hand was up and then, of course, we're going to go to Dutchie and then Cairo after Loki.
to Dutchie and then Cairo after Loki.
Yeah, sorry Dutchie.
Thank you, Foxy.
So Luca just texted me that he has an emergency
so he won't be able to join this time.
But I mean,
Pudgy is always like the news of the week
so we will have him another time.
And now, Foxy, it's your turn.
We're going to ask you even more stuff.
I'm sorry.
But I'm very grateful you're here uh dachi
go for it yeah i just wanted to point out that there was a comment about um that this new category
was kind of i guess uh brought about via la boo boo and i i'd like to point out that
fendi and louis vuitton and a lot of the uh-end MCM, all of them have had bag charms exactly in this way, even plushie as well.
Now, this may have caught on more, proliferated the idea, brought the season back as fashion tends to go in cycles as well.
And we know that fashion does the fast fashion cycles, which means that you're getting rather than four seasons a year, you're getting 24 seasons a year.
But yes, it's brought it about.
But I mean, we've seen this even with like Marikami plushie charms for the bag, exactly with a clip, exactly where it's placed.
So I just wanted to point that out that the category has existed for
quite some time but they they sort of uh just heated it up i agree that's a that's a good point
sorry because i saw this too do you have data if they are like really selling right now because
yeah i've been i've been seeing this i've seen like the price they're selling like for
more than a thousand dollars yeah i have a louis vuitton little puppy that i've had for like probably four and a half years
it's like a french bulldog i bought it for an ex-girlfriend and then whenever we broke up i
just took it off the purse when i was leaving the house because it was like a 1200 little dog
and i was like you know what i just bought that I'm taking it with me. And yeah, there's things have with those characters, especially with the Sanrio crossovers.
Now, the Louis Vuitton, etc., is a very high price point that isn't accessible to 99% of the consumer.
to 99% of the consumer and this phenomenon that we're seeing
Will will permeate from diaper bags
to as we see a lot in Miami right now
Handbags, so you you have it span an entire
entire audience entire market
That's never been for before been seen, but I wanted to also
a little tag
you see people accessorizing
their Labubus, you see people
buying
outfits, you know, the
capsules, you know, the Starbucks apron
you see the Coca-Cola
crossover with Labubu, they're buying
outfits for their
accessories accessorizing their accessories this is insane this is intense and this is this is
an opportunity even for Pudgy um so I'm excited to see how this trend can actually sustain because you you you walk a tightrope if the trend is because of
a status symbol well we know how um you uh you have the uh contradiction to to you have people
subvert fashion and and status um very quickly so you want to make it a symbol like Foxy meant of resonating with childhood and joy.
And that can have a power and staying power.
You look at the Stanley carafe, the water vessels, those glasses and cups, that trend kind of fizzled out, but it's a staple utility accessory.
It's functional. So we got to look at function. We got to look at status, fashion and just lasting joy.
awesome take carol uh definitely some good points foxy did you want to uh
respond to that or you want us to go ahead to the next question
oh yeah we can go next question oh but i would like to add a little bit because when you asked
about the sales thing um i was thinking that you know um we were we were saying that uh in asia it's very very special because
like la popo started from asia and bring it to to the us and and then now uh it shouldn't be that
way because like everyone thinks that it's always from the us and everyone asia is like you know
we wanted something from the western but this time is is how asian or the chinese want to prove their strength that things can start from from
china so therefore like the pot mud um do you guys know that the owner got like he's like number one
like the richest guy um really yeah yeah because of la bubur it drives the sales like about 1500 percent much more so he beat out jack ma yeah wow over the sales that's crazy
so so knowing that and how the trends kind of go up and like you was just saying the boo boo is not
that hot over there now how it came up flash bang and then it kind of dwindled.
How do you see, or where do you see,
or has Pudgy thought about and addressed
the initiative that you're doing for the toy release
and how that's gonna go with like,
how the trends just kind of going, come and go,
you know, kind of short-lived how do
you address that got it yes for um for you know how like labo starts from um the toys right and
they sell out the plushies they went crazy but if you can see really now they are moving towards
animation and licensing so you can see much much more collab and this is how a company can sustain
pudgy is almost that size so pudgy didn't come up from plushy first we come up from from gif we
come up from stickers uh we come up from animation so we're really strong in this point but it's just
our plushy of course not as strong as them um so we are trying like, okay, which way would be better?
This is going to be a really good case study if Paiju really makes it well one day.
And if the blind box really fell, you know, off the roof, off the rack.
It's a big bet that we are taking for the next few months.
few months and it's going to be Asia. Everyone knows that. So let's see how sustainable the
And it's going to be Asia.
Everyone knows that.
trend for La Boo Boo versus like how Jiffy and animation, all of that digital world that
is that trend stronger than the plushy trend, the physical trend. is this is a very interesting um take that we are everyone's like
watching it um that's how the world turns so i feel i feel um i feel with the asian strength
with the community strength with uh how pangu is pumping at the institutional site at the web too
social media gfee um i felt like we have a stronger case to fight here
don't you guys think so yeah 100 agreed if i may i want to set the room i know we didn't reset it but
um i want to set the room for everybody who's here if you like the content if you love the
alpha that foxy is giving us go down to the bottom right corner Punch the purple pill like and retweet the space, you know poke the algorithm
Poke the bear get your friends in here and let them hear firsthand because you know when you tell them you're gonna lose some
Information right so make sure everybody is here so they can hear firsthand even though it's a recording space. Nothing like live
Loki back to you
Yeah, thank you. I'll find thank you Foxy
Yeah, I just have one more question
then we close uh it's regarding like the etf so this week there is uh there is something that
actually it's not really clear to me so what anybody knows what really happened because the
etf was filed like months ago but now there is a new update uh what does it mean
pilot like months ago but now there is a new update what does it mean?
It means we are getting near
well um this one is you know oh i don't know look you always get me into trouble
It's just things are getting better and time is getting closer.
it's just things are getting better and time is getting closer
That's okay.
I mean, I think that's the market reaction is clear.
So, yeah, we all feel the same.
But really, really, the question back to you guys is like when we pitch to institutional, right?
when we pitch to institutional right like one of the one of the questions that we ask um
um you know the institutional will you guys uh go for a fart coin or you guys would go for a pangu
coin well you know fart farting is culture right you can't miss the fart no i'm just kidding you
know the you know the obvious choice would be pingo right yeah so yeah. Yeah. I was checking today, so top 10 meme coin.
Of course, you have like Doji, SHIB, the first and second place.
So SHIB right now is 6 billion market cap and Pengu is 1 billion, almost 1 billion.
But I mean, there's no competition in messaging, in mindshare, in who is the massacre of the cycle.
So, yeah, it's inevitable.
Like, everything you guys are doing from building the matrix, the fundamental, both for the NFTs and the token. It's just a matter of time.
And I would add to that, that, you know, I guess for the trader, it would be whatever chart looks
the best. But if, you know, for the person who really invested in the Pudgy ecosystem and who
understand and have that conviction, then of course it's a no brainer. But I mean, Pudgy is
outperforming a bunch right now. Pingu, i mean pudgy is outperforming a bunch right now
pingo i'm sorry is outperforming a bunch right now so you can't deny it you got to put it it's
got to take some mind sharing it's got to be in the in the question when the you know when the
question when the time arises alpha good point because you say for the trader so i agree with
you if you are like a trader short term like you're trading in the cycle uh maybe you say for the trader. So I agree with you. If you are like a trader short term, like you're trading in the cycle,
maybe you go for Farcoin because, I mean, who knows?
I wouldn't, obviously.
But if you are, we still didn't really have the normie altcoin season.
If you're going to buy Dodger, I mean, in the past, let's say the other cycle,
you're going to buy Dodger and SHIB, thinking a little bit long term, thinking multi-cycle.
So I don't see anywhere Farcoin to be a multi-cycle token. So you go for Pengu,
even Trump. I mean, Trump is at 1 billion but I mean the moment okay he can be
cycle for four years still still is the president for four years but after that
we know what's going to happen so yeah I'm just gonna interject something real
quick this is a recorded space but you look at factors like age.
You look at factors like civil unrest.
If an incident occurs during the next four years, you can see some wild price action for that coin for that person.
You mean? I don't understand what you mean. I'm not sure what you mean
I don't understand what you mean
I'm not sure what you mean
if JFK had a coin
the all time high had hit
man it's not like
I don't think you're like no it's not like
the artist is dead
and now the
piece of art is going to appreciate to the moon
I don't think it's going to be the case.
Honestly, nobody cares to buy the token for provenance.
Like, what is it?
But I wanted to touch on what it means this Pudgy, this Pengu, and NFT's ETF.
Also for our other brands like Anime and T zuki like apecoin and board a because
it opens the way for all the other coins to get it well i think well i think that right now what we
when you think when you talk about igloo or pudgy penguin when you talk about the board apes or yugo
whatever you have a massive
ecosystem being built right now that have kind of transcended the regular the other regular ips in
the market so watching the penguins go through this and be in the second stage of getting the etf
and stuff like that with the nfts and the coin and stuff like that i think we're seeing a whole
new business model and of like not even just ip but like of like I think we're seeing a whole new business model and of, of like, not even just IP, but like, of, of like watching something grow in, in a, in a new hybrid market,
because now that we have stable IPOs and stuff like that, you see a marrying the mic, the macro
and the crypto, and they're buying all these bonds and stuff like that. Like, I think this puts,
you know, with them doing this puts us in a position to see something that we've never seen
before. And I'm, I'm really pumped about it it like i want this to go through because i would love that for
there to be an ape etf you know what i'm saying like who wouldn't but you know somebody's got to
do it first and you know the penguins came up to bat and they're flying with it and i love to see
it man i'm a big pingu holder rising Rise and tides.
Thank you, Machiavelli. Yeah, guys, let's talk about the other side. I think it's
time. Thank you. Thank you,
Foxy, for being here. Thank
you, Foxy, for sharing the alpha.
Please go get some rest.
And, yeah, absolute pleasure every
time you're here.
the other side. Big update from Garga.
Anybody expert here at Dachi, maybe?
Yeah, I've transcribed all the spaces in which he came and spoke on
and then compressed it into notes.
And yeah, I think I've got a tiny bit of a handle on what's going
on there. But the data dump is so big, that is probably a multi hour conversation, because
they've been holding a lot of this stuff even pre January. And then if you think we have time,
bro, we have time. Okay. So I mean, I guess do you what do you want like an overview, or do you want to ask a question, or how do you want to run it?
I just want to know, because in an episode like a month ago,
we were talking about Metaverse, GTA 6, so can we beat GTA 6?
Can we beat it?
You know, I mean, are we going to ship before then?
Is that what you mean?
Say it.
Say it.
I mean, yeah, we will have...
Isn't that the meme?
It's like you have everything before GTA 6?
No, I think that for sure, you know, within a month's time,
we'll be in there spending time.
There's a number of different...
It won't be like all 100,000 land plots,
but there will be certain game modes bubbles um you know some some beginning of the um persistence
of the 24-hour uh persistence um so if if in that in that way do you mean will it be live before
gta 6 absolutely gta 6 is i think slated for next year. So we'll be already moving into like resources and other things.
Now, in terms of revenue, it's an interesting one because the whole thing is set up to be, you know, they want people to be able to monetize the other side from different angles.
So whether that be stickers, graffiti stickers, emotes, wearables, obviously 3D models.
There's the game modes, which is called blueprints, which means some big AAA studio could create a game mode like racing or something,
and then anyone can implement it on their LAN, but then that will be in the store.
And then if you think about the way that they're looking to launch
1155s and ERC 20s, that means people will be minting on lands, they will be doing token drops.
So if they're taking a transaction fee across all of that, then I would say in terms of revenue,
it could be extremely high, depending on how popular it gets. And that may be set a different precedent
in terms of versus a $60 or $70 game
times the amount of people who purchase it once
and then probably some upgrades.
So it's certainly a different model.
And then in terms of like 8coin,
when you see the 8co taking a rise,
which means cutting of the spending of the Dow,
they're wrapping up the
staking aspect of things, then, you know, it could make, you know, the token only has
sinks that are currently is just a chain buying an Ape Chain NFT, you know, for the most part in
terms of use cases. But then when you add all those use cases, then that kind of puts a little bit more
sell pressure on the token. And then if you cut the spending in terms of, you know, funding all
those salaries and, you know, funding all those AIPs, you know, then, yeah, I don't know what it
could do. I'm not, I don't have a magic, you know, crystal ball, but I'd say probably better than where it's at today.
Hey, thank you, Dachi.
Yeah, so my question was a little bit different because,
okay, let me explain to you. So we were talking about potentially GTA 6
implementing wealth reintegration,
and a lot of people would say it doesn't make sense for their
business and I probably everybody agrees I mean it's everybody's waiting for it actually I even
see start to see like streamers web to gamer streamer saying gaming is really going down
traditional gaming is going down the viewers on streaming twitch are going down g traditional gaming is going down, the viewers on streaming Twitch are going
down, GTA 6 is like, they're all waiting for it to somehow bring back excitement for Web2 gaming.
My point to this was, in a potential battle for metaverse, you have a good competitor that could be the other side,
that thanks to the web reintegration, thanks to the hype, thanks to the NFT ownership,
the way users can make money just by playing, you will have a competitor that actually has
more growth.
So do you think this is possible?
This can happen?
Here's the thing, right?
The approaches may be different, right?
So them having crypto.
So there's already, for example, people have already made their own private servers for Web3 where you can use an Ape or a Pudgy or something in GTA 5.
But the thing is, is that historically they haven't embraced modding culture.
And when you use the term metaverse platform, you're essentially implying modding culture is openly accepted.
And we haven't seen that from Rockstar. In fact, we haven't seen it from many Web2 games.
We've seen from the founder of Epic,
him talking about the potential of metaverse platforms.
But essentially what we're talking about
is bring your own avatar, right?
And so when compared with other side,
there's a few things that they're focusing on, right?
Which is A, having a huge amount of
players who can be concurrent all in the same area. So there's a lot of emphasis on that.
Secondly, you know, in terms of being able to accept file formats, there's a strong emphasis
on, you know, being able to customize the land, being able to use AI prompts to be able to generate your own items that are themed within that land
right and then and then of course like the token accepting allowing people to
launch their own tokens token gate their own areas those kinds of things and then
since the beginning other side has been bring your own avatar and and that
technology is very difficult
to do. What you'll see is you'll see it in a lot of, let's say, you know, Call of Duty. Really,
they don't have this concept of let's get, you know, 100 collections who have 10,000 unique
avatars. So when you're talking about a computer loading this, imagine that, you know, anyone who
looks the same will load very fast. And then any unique avatars will have to have its own loading
to the person who's to their own game. That's that like gig, the amount of gigs you need to
download. So in web two culture, you don't have this, well, let's bring in, you know, 500,000 unique avatars.
So they're battle testing servers for that, where I would say GTA 6 is more focused on, you know, their avatars.
Traditionally, they crack down pretty hard on any kind of modding.
So just because they have a coin, I don't necessarily think it's the same type of project that they're building.
Will people make a private server of GTA 6 and want to bring in their ape?
Absolutely.
But will they use that as the main point of the game?
I don't think so.
You know, one of the things that I'm looking forward to with this is that we do like why you said streams are down and all this stuff like that though
What's not down is participation like in roblox is in fortnight and stuff like that like the players and the builders and stuff
We have this whole generation of people who want to go build the game that they're playing right now
And these these kids are anywhere from five to 12 years old right now.
And I think that that's going to be a huge factor in how this plays out over the next few years,
because, you know, these kids are going to want to continue in that motion.
And like, I have a few of those kids that live with me right now.
You know what I'm saying? I'm putting them to work in Roblox, if you know what I'm saying.
Anyways, you know, I'm excited about that because it proliferates these type of situations in a
different manner and I want to see how it kind of envelops the gaming space because we've never
seen something like the other side come out and with such like a massive scale and be like,
they've never seen anything like this so i'm super
excited about that go ahead dutch yeah so i think you made a great point and when you look at all
the comms coming out of yuga they're they're discussing um roblox as being a good comparison
because it's essentially um encouraging people to build their own game modes so it's built off the
back of unreal engine and so what that means is like when, you know,
if you look at, for example, Grand Theft Auto as a system,
you know, to be able to build in your own game modes,
those kinds of things,
you need to conform to what they're doing.
What the other side has done
is they're focused on Unreal Engine.
So if you think about all the, you know,
hundreds of thousands of devs all around the world
who know how to program for Unreal Engine, there's people building games for that and even just apps that are not games for Unreal Engine just because of, yeah, it's a gaming engine, but it doesn't have to be games. that is called Time Rich, which is the Roblox younger demographic
that can sit there and tinker away.
Then, of course, assisted by the vibe coding
that'll come a little bit later on down the road.
But again, you'll be able to monetize those game modes.
The other thing that they're doing uniquely is that they're
building the Web3 Rails for Unreal Engine,
which seems to be something that is not very present.
It means that a game developer who may have done very good in
Roblox or done very well with the app in the App Store or something like that,
now maybe Web3 peaks their interest,
or at least they hear they can monetize.
They can easily, with a default contract developed by Quitt and James,
implement an ERC or ERC-1155.
And then vice versa, you have crypto native people
who will be able to implement, you know, Unreal Engine in templ in templated ways right so you have kind of both
sides of the audience there and so um uh and then being able to monetize things on your lands from
like i said from stickers which is very like low res where it's just uh you could draw something
on your ipad or ai and and monetize that in a store versus all the way up to like launching
a token and not having to
know anything about web3 debbing. So I think it's a completely different approach, but I think
Roblox is in constant comparison when you listen to their comms. And I think that that's
maybe a closer comparison than, you know, GTA 6, which does not at all, like if you look at as well, like Fortnite does not really embrace
bringing your own avatar because they have a multi-billion dollar wearable business. So
if suddenly you can just upload the exact avatar with the new wearable that they're trying to sell,
that disrupts their business. So they do have a creative mode, which kind of does well. It's
about like world building, but again, that flexibility is not there so a lot of these web2 uh games are way
more rigid about what they're allowing versus this and so you know uh gary's uh mod i think is a very
popular game because people just like to like build crazy stuff so i think this will be a lot
more permissionless and so it may attract more
like viral trends or crazy memes and that kind of stuff um uh in terms of creating content as well
then you know a lot something like gta 6 where you'd have to take it to a private server
not everyone can join we're here you can drop a deep link uh you know underneath this viral video
and people can directly drop into that land
they don't need to have a wallet or understand wallets through glyph um and then they're teleported
directly to where that viral moment's happening so i think it's it's very very different than a
gta 6 and i think roblox is way more comparable yo cairo yo i saw the emphasis on user generated Yo, Cairo?
Yo, I saw the emphasis on user-generated content with those AI tools, like you mentioned, Dutchie, on that thread.
Now, I had two questions.
One, what's going to happen with the IPs that they have sold and or recovered, like the codas, like the legends of Mara or was it the tales of Mara?
And then I'll follow up with a second question.
and if,
and when it's an appropriate,
they didn't sell codas as far as I know.
Yeah,
they kept it.
we still have codas.
They sold legends of the Mara.
Fantastic.
So my second question is what kind of token gates are in place?
Like you just mentioned, there's going to be a link that you can just drop in without a wallet. But in terms of token gates, is there any token gates? For example, you need to own a certain asset to access or play or build? Or is that going to be just exclusive to some private access?
Yeah, so where there's a few,
I guess there's a few answers to that question.
So the first answer is like, you know,
if you look at the things that they launch,
they're prototypes or, you know,
MVP builds of what every person will be able to do.
So when you saw originally meet at the clubhouse
where only apes could go into that specific, you know, gated area,
now they're doing that for codas.
There's a codaland and then there's a megacoda land
that will like an area that is token gated.
But this ability to token gate specific parts of your land
will go to anyone who has a land, regardless of whatever that is. It's just a contract address
that will allow you to token gate. Probably you draw a line around where you want someone not to
be able to enter. And that's part of the default tools um and then in terms of being able to jump in and
join um my uh you know if you have a glyph wallet which you can sign in with twitter like you don't
need to even see a private key you don't need to hold a specific nft to play they have this new
system um for voyagers which is the sort of default avatar that you get. But they've launched,
they're going to be launching something called Voyager 2.0, where you can like add hats, you can,
you know, change the image on the face. So there's going to be a whole wearable system for people who
don't own any NFTs. And, and they're onboarded automatically onto a chain through, like I said,
Gmail or Twitter, they can add crypto via apple pay or um a debit card up to 500
without kyc so they're not having to go through you know the ways that it used to be when you had
to onboard and um and then also for there now they have magic eden integration as well so you
can buy whatever those in-game items are directly on magic eden uh with Glip wallet. So in terms of token gating,
they're not trying to, in fact, they're trying to do the opposite. They're trying to make it so
you can stream to the outward world. You can easily jump in without it being like a walled
garden. And you get like an avatar right off the bat. You can walk around, you can do those things.
And they're even trying to invite builders who maybe don't own any land, ways to be able to build something, but then maybe it doesn't like deploy
on the land. But imagine like maybe being able to build like a game mode that you could sell.
And then at which point when you have one of the land plots. But the point is that once you build
what's called a blueprint or whatever those 3D assets that you want to sell, those can be added to anyone's land who has a land plot.
So I think that's your answer, but it's got a few aspects to it.
Yeah, it's fantastic. Thank you, Dutchie.
And just one last tag. How does other side seek to differentiate product market fit from sandbox of previous cycles um well i think
you know again um i think sandbox is um has a very specific format right you need to design in voxels
just like that right out the gate knocks out um the you know adaptability for most collections now
they need to you know go in and build a voxel 3D model,
which is not the same as, you know, what they may already have or they have nothing, right?
I think that's one thing I felt like it was also very, you know, in order to get added,
it wasn't as permissionless. I think that's another aspect as well. I think also they have,
you know, you're not really playing sandbox from a browser. So pixel streaming is a huge aspect, being able to jump in from a browser.
They're also working on mobile.
So I think that being multi-device helps a lot.
And, yeah, and in terms of, like, deploying, like I said, you know, whether that be fungible tokens or non fungible tokens easily with the default contract.
I think there's a few tiers there that is a little bit different.
I think they went for high partnership like Snoop Dogg and Gucci.
And I think that we'll see the same with other side where you need those certain attraction points.
need those certain attraction points. But I think, you know, having it been around for as long as it
has been, I, you know, here, if you want to design a game in, you know, game mode, for example, in
sandbox, you need to use, again, their, their tools, their, their, you know, system, where here, this is
more directly translatable from Unreal Engine knowledge.
So I think it makes it a lot easier.
And then if you want to kind of go there, there's also the vibe coding aspect of things
that I don't see introduced there either.
So I think they're very different.
And then also, of course, is there an IP?
Of course, Pudgy Penguin's huge on top.
But I mean, aside from, you know, what's more recognizable of BoardApe or Sandbox?
I think you have your answer there.
Thanks, Dutchie.
Look like Grateful's hand flew up.
So let's see what, go ahead, Grateful.
Yeah, I want to react on that question because I think like tech aspect and visual aspect is one thing.
But at some point, I think it doesn't matter unless you really find use cases that users want to come back and have a good time or do something there.
Right.
So I think building other side is a platform for creators.
That's a big one because there's going to be a lot of creators for sure
and we need to find the use case we need to find the best use case that people really like and that
they want to come back unless it's going to be another platform right so that's that's what i
think is important i think we have a good start and i can't wait to to play first games like
bathroom blitz and and try it out and hopefully try to build something myself
because one thing is that you can vibe code that's definitely possible the other thing is to actually
hire like a team to build something for you right and yeah i think it's gonna be fun but it it will
take time for sure the way that they're actually you know if you watch if you go look at the thread that the other side meta put out the way that they're actually building the way that they're actually, you know, if you watch,
if you go look at the thread that the other side meta put out,
the way that they're actually building,
the way that they lifted up the hood to show you how they're implementing AI
and stuff is something that's very unique that really no other gaming
studios really implemented or done.
And like,
it's really putting the consumer first and allowing people who don't have any
skills to step into this new platform and participate.
And I think that that's where we're going to connect and be, you know, drawing that audience from Minecraft,
drawing that audience from Robux and stuff like that, because there is no shortage of people who want to do that.
So, yeah, man, I'm super excited about that. You know what? Grateful, just like you, I need to be able to say,
hey, can you please make a pink tree because there ain't no way i'm
getting a pink tree without that yeah like to match his pink ape yeah and so when you think
when when you double down on that point they are also providing tools for builders i mean not just
the ai but just already like some some lego blocks i. I've heard Dutchie referred to him as earlier
when he was beating me up in another space, but they're also providing tools. It's kind of like
ready-made. You have some things already there for you to just to stack together to get your basic
idea of what you need, and then you can build from there. So it's kind of like they're giving
you the training wheels, but when you need to get out and be an Olympic bike rider, then you can go and do your other stuff.
But they're giving you started. And that's I think that right there is very important because just to throw you out there and say, hey, here, here's your thing that you just bought.
Now go build on it. It's kind of alienating, if you will. It's a little bit intimidating. And so for people who don't have that skill, but still have the knowledge of what
they want, it can get them started and that'll help them to move forward in that regard.
I saw a hand come up, Dutchie. I think it was yours. Go ahead, sir.
Oh yeah. Just to touch on that. I think that the way that the team describes it is sort of like
building like a barbell. And so on one hand, you have like people who have never,
ever touched a world building. It may be their very first time. On the one hand, you have like people who have never, ever touched world building.
It may be their very first time.
On the other hand, you have teams like Command Line who has built AAA experiences and maybe even beyond that, you know, whether, you know, it's a Blizzard team who wants to go ahead and deploy something on the other side.
So you need different tool sets for each kind of person there. And so I think that, you know, the approach saw a bunch of developer apps, right?
So you need different tool sets for each kind of person there.
So what they're kind of showing is generally this is like an MVP or like a use case that shows,
hey, you can do this specific thing in the app store.
And then this inspires people to build their own experiences in their own way through their own viewpoint. So I think where
the App Store started and where the App Store ended up, which is millions of apps from directions
that you find an app or a game that becomes incredibly viral, had nothing to do with the
Yuga team. They didn't contact them. And just one of the examples they used was in Roblox. There's a farming game, which is literally like you're planting seeds and watching fruits grow.
And this has become the number one game in Roblox to the point where they're asking the dev, you know, are you getting enough sleep?
Because they're launching so many updates, right? So I think that when you think of what can other side do,
it's not that you're just looking at bathroom blitz
or Project Dragon, Bubbles.
Those are apps that are developed by the team
to exemplify and also to start you off with stuff, right?
So you don't wanna have 100,000 land plots
looking like a junkyard.
So they have all the assets that are modeled in the style of the land of course people can bring their own stuff but like alpha
dj i was just saying i'm not going to go into blender and change this thing or sculpt my own
stuff and then you will have people who can do that and then you have people who will want to
buy that instead of having to do it themselves so it's it's a phased approach where they put in some high quality
tools from the beginning. And then over time, people will build stuff that they've never thought
of and shipping that in the middle of the night. And I think that that's more what it can, what
other side can do, rather than looking at these few apps that start off and say, oh, that's all
it is. It's a shooter game.
Oh, you know, it's not that it's like saying, well, what can a website do? What can an iPhone do?
A lot. But these are just some examples of what you could do.
But it's up to the dreamers to build what will actually be there.
Excellent point. Excellent point. Did you you grateful I saw you come back up did you have anything to add there yeah I think it's 100%
correct man we need builders and we need to we need to try more things and to see
what works and what doesn't work and we're not gonna figure it out without
trying right so I know a lot of people will try to build something and i i believe
a lot of you guys already have some ideas that you want to build and you build it and you see
does it work or maybe it doesn't work but you know we learn from that and we keep moving so i think
this approach is amazing for yuga because it's not like hey we built a game and if the game doesn't work we failed but they are more like hey we built a platform and you have a tools to
actually build something and we have a we have time to actually figure it out so yeah i think
it's gonna be a lot of fun man 100 and to that point just a perfect example is on this day today
in 2007 the iphone was released right right? That was the first one.
They call it the brick now, but now that you had 16, I mean, you had so many different versions of
it up until now. So yesterday's iPhone is not today's iPhone, right? So they had to build and
start somewhere. And so I think once we get the benchmark of getting open perpetually and get the revenue
models and everything starting to get the kinks out of it, man, we might have a fine
oil machine going forward.
And hopefully it'll invite everybody.
And that's what my vision is.
And I don't have anything to do with making any decisions.
So don't take anything I say with a grain of salt.
But my vision or my hopes for what we're doing is everyone is invited and everyone comes in.
They get their revenue models going and this thing just takes off and we don't look back anymore.
Like now we got iPhone 16s in our hand where last time, you know, in 2007, we had to break.
So hopefully we'll scale and keep moving forward in those regards.
Loki. Oh, I'm sorry. Machiavelli.
Well, you know, it goes to scale. Like if you look in like, uh, I think it was such that said the most popular game is a farming game.
What are the most popular things being used on all these other platforms?
You know what I'm saying? And implementing those types of situations in the beginning of other side, I think is going to be helpful for any builder in the space
because it's going to be easy for somebody to come over to robux and say like oh hey they got
the number one situation over here they have something similar over here on the other side
and i can go farm all with my with this little coda and go do all these things right you know
but it's just like an upgraded version so to speak because right now you're an unreal engine
versus being in some little you know block dimension block dimension, so on and so forth. Dutchie, high five. Yeah. So I think another thing to
really point out here, and this is something that the Yuga team shipped, you know, just a few months
ago, which I think is flying under the radar under this conversation. No pun intended to Pudgy
Penguins. But I think, you know, this is not just an invitation to Ape Chain or
Ethereum, which you had asked about the comparison to Sandbox, for example. But this is, you know,
with NFT Shadows, which is launched currently for Apes, Codas, and just a few other collections.
This is rolling out as an entire system to be able to go
multi-chain, which is another aspect of a metaverse platform. If you're only restricted to one chain,
then you're not necessarily building a completely permissionless interoperable platform. You need
to be able to accept different file formats, different chains, different tokens.
And so I think that this is what's really being made here.
And so this means that if pudgy penguins have NFT shadows, which they have an open call to anyone,
this means that any NFT on abstract can be read and rewarded inside of other side, right?
can be read and rewarded inside of other side right because of this um uh because it's an evm
platform uh abstract is built on evm and so is uh eight chain and so is base and so is ethereum okay
so um this means that people can not only build and have access to token gated areas, just as if they existed on ApeChain always,
but not only it doesn't impose any type of risk
to the asset on ETH,
because it is essentially mirroring that ownership
onto ApeChain, but also it means that,
you know, being able to, they talked about this,
they said, no other video game does the ownership and the historical ownership of something that you owned outside of the game can be rewarded or recognized, right?
So it's not like, you know, I used to play World of Warcraft and because I did well there, I'm being rewarded in this new game. We don't really see that aspect. So what they're doing
in, you know, other side means somebody can look on chain and they could say, you know what,
this person had a lot of XP in abstract, right? If that information is on chain, that can be
rewarded or unlock certain areas in other side. It is being able to read every EVM chain and then being able to,
yeah, that may be allow list to something that may be a TGE,
that may be unlocking wearables or certain gifts and all types of things.
I don't see that coming from Sandbox or Decentraland or any of the other platforms.
That's just something else to
consider. When you're talking about permissionless, it's not just the file formats, but it's also the
tokens, the chains, even the streaming platforms. They're doing a stream key. So that means you can
use any streaming platform that you want. They're not telling you which one to. So that universal compatibility, I think,
is really a different approach, but also what a metaverse platform is always supposed to have been,
not just you're over here in this bubble and you're siloed and this is all the things you can do.
And that's very huge, bro, with the stream feature, stream key, because on other platforms, you have to leave that platform or you have to figure out something to plug in and go download this or buy this hardware device.
And now you're talking about the lightweight footprint of just logging into a browser rather than downloading a 500 gig launcher or 200 gig any gig launcher you know
and you just log in from anywhere and then you know that stream that's huge i believe that's
one of the game changers that i'm really bullish on um and i don't know guys uh you tell me what
you think macravalli no man i'm super excited about that it's just the ease of accessibility
and being able to throw your content in any which direction that you need to instead of like having to go upload or you know put it in into somewhere
else and then stream out so yo as it ramps up like we need to see this kind of innovation in tech too
you know what i'm saying because like the old clunky ways of doing things are expensive
and the new way is going to be a lot better a lot faster a lot cheaper. So I'm looking forward to it
100 question Mac question Dutchie, what's the carrot Dutchie just mentioned abstract XP if you guys aren't familiar with abstract
It's pre TGE what's that circulation?
There is speculation. Yeah, we have other side chill here, baby
Yeah, I want to know like what's
the carrot so the carrot is um well a there is an xp system um for other side uh starting right
at persistence um so participation obviously is um incentivized and if you uh wanna and they've
also said you know pretty publicly that the um the ability they said that
play to earn is certainly a way of attracting players so you can read between the lines there
that the administration now has completely changed if you look at when apecoin was originally launched
in 2022 you had to have a dow you had to have a foundation you you couldn't like even associate
with the project like there's a lot of regulatory
things that have changed dramatically. And so now you're looking at a platform that can essentially
do TGEs within the platform and not just coming from the team directly, but permissionlessly
using a templated contract. So I think you're going to see all types of token launches,
...completed contract.
So I think you're going to see all types of token launches,
not just the one that comes from Yuga.
I didn't say that they have one,
but theoretically XP probably means something.
And then, you know, obviously how many tokens,
like think about, you know, something like,
let's say Mog or Pepe, right?
Part of the proliferation of those kinds of tokens is, you know, this meme
aspect of like content sharing, content creation, proliferation of the images. So what happens when
you can put together a MOG sticker pack and, you know, spam those as emotes, or they have a graffiti
sticker pack where you can actually go and tag other lands when you have, you know, spam those as emotes, or they have a graffiti sticker pack where you can actually go and tag other lands. When you have, you know, a land plot that is specifically themed around that
wearables that you can attach and maybe throw mob glasses on my ape, you know, so there's a few
different angles there. And then when they can, you know, capture wallet addresses by, you know,
once you're sitting on a land, what does that do to TGEs,
right? Normally it's like, hey, send me your wallet address on Twitter and then you get a
bunch of bots. And instead it's like, hey, go to this land plot and, you know, complete this race.
And the first, you know, 1000 people are going to get GTD to this mint or they're going to get,
you know, a token allocation.
I mean, I think that completely changes the game and the fact that they don't, no one needs to ask
Yuga to do that. I think it opens up a lot of opportunities for that incentivization that
you're talking about, which is like, what's the carrot? The carrot is XP. The carrot is probably,
you know, if you look at traditionally websites and apps, you know, their KPIs is that for investors that may have heavily invested, they want to see monthly active users, daily active users, time spent.
Those are like the key metrics for any type of app or game.
So what are they going to do?
They're going to reward people who have popular land plots, right?
They're going to reward people who have popular land plots, right?
If you're spending a lot of time there, whether it be playing a game, hanging out in bubbles,
you know, whatever it is that's attracting people, TGEs, those kinds of things,
then the system will reward just the way Twitter pays people who get a lot of engagement on their tweets, right?
their tweets, right? That's kind of like a default business thing to do. So do I think that along
That's kind of like a default business thing to do.
with them openly saying that they're going to be paying, you know, with Apeco with the new funds
to be able to track big builders to create these sort of game modes and like AAA experiences,
but will they incentivize people making lands that people are spending 24 hours a day on?
Absolutely. So it depends whether you're
a user you're trying to farm airdrops or you're trying to farm xp or are you a type of person
who wants to track people to spend time on your land so you're rewarded directly so i mean that's
that's uh i guess a few thoughts well you know mario ran around collecting coins sonic ran around
collecting rings but they didn't do anything on the other side when you run around and collect an ERC
That is an actual token. It can be an 8 coin might be an NFT to a project
It may be a meme coin for another project, but you're actually collecting something of value and that right there
My friend is the carrot
100% and it goes to your wallet
That's so powerful. I love this comparison with Mario.
That's really... and I watched that video the other side just posted where the ape character
jump on... no actually just run on a token and there is a transaction there.
Man, that's really really great and thanks Dachi. Wow. That was a very amazing explanation. Actually, so many things I didn't know as well.
You are making me very bullish. So let's say I want to spend some money. What is the best way to get exposure right now to the other side?
Well, you know, it depends on who you are. But I would say that, and again, absolutely not financial advice.
I could never say that.
Actually, I don't even, I don't even, I've never given financial advice in my life, and I don't even know what financial advice is.
But I would say that there is a quote that's going around, which is the coin of the realm is ApeCoin.
And being that all of these tokens
probably have to be in liquidity pools.
So if there is going to be a pump fund aspect,
which token do you think it's going to have to be paired with?
If people want to buy wearables,
which token do you think they need to buy?
If they want to buy stickers,
which one do you think it's going to be?
Emotes, default like 3d 3d uh trees or
whatever you help people want to put on their land um so uh i don't know but if the spending slows
down uh from the dow and the the largest sync uh to date is now coming to apecoin and everything
operating on apechain you could get a
coda and you could probably get access to you know the coda secret club land or whatever that's fine
uh you could um get a board ape and get a very flashy avatar that uh wow that's so fancy it's a little boo boo um or you could maybe uh use the coin that uh
makes the entire thing operate and um and all of the levels of monetization are based on it and so
then if okay sorry that you have to interrupt because you're fighting nfts on the nft space
i don't know what to tell you. You're just like funny my bags my everything
No, no, I think I know I know what you have to do lucky man
I know what you have to do right now. It's so simple you go to other side wiki and you need to buy
One of each environments you need to search for tier 5 so I think that's
gonna be like 29 other deeds then you want to have sediment biogenic swamp or
chemical goo so if you want to have each you know 29 from chemical goo 29 from
biogenic swamp right now you are like 58 so 58 other deeds that's what you want and then you want to look for
artifacts and resources so i think you can get around 100 other deeds and you'll be fine you'll
be set for the launch and i think that's the that's 100 alpha grateful i don't know and actually
i'm certified i'm certified financial board ape advisor. I can give 100% financial advice here on the show. I'm based in Europe, so no one gives a shit about financial advice here. So, Loki, what do you think of that?
Yeah, I think I need a translator because you say, like, resource, but I don't fucking know. But But yeah, I agree with you. Can I translate? I'll try to translate my best.
So I think you're spot on.
Grateful, you nailed it.
Okay, so while Gargo was on Spaces at Other Space FM,
he talked about, oh, did you see at the end of the trailer,
there is an extractor that is pulling ore out of the trailer there is an extractor uh that is pulling ore out of the land um and so yeah all of
the other side have a unique um resource well not all of them but some of them will say it has a
resource now forget about what it is what they have said is everything that is in other side
whether that be you know an item or a token is on chain. So if that's true,
then let's say they have these sediments like ore, goo,
who cares what it's called, right?
Jelly, jam, who cares, right?
Point is, is that they have an extractor that's put on the land,
which means you're slowly pulling a token out of a land, right?
And obviously this means a slow release of tokens a scarcity of
said tokens which is a time release which makes sense rather than dropping the entire supply at
one time and then the other thing you can think about is okay if you have these different tokens
that are being extracted out of these different land types then um what utility does it unlock
does it boost visibility of your land because you want more
people to show up to your land maybe but do you need a red one and a green one so now you're
putting these two tokens together possibly putting a liquidity pool with apecoin and the only way you
can get it is those resources so would someone who wants to get people to show up to their bubbles
someone who wants to get people to show up to their bubbles or unlock token
gating on their land or any of the sort of in-game benefits,
if it requires a resource from those lands and only those people are the plug
and the only ones who can have that, then, yeah,
maybe those are NFTs that might be worth looking into.
Dachi, big shout out to you.
You seem a little bit like you are other side AI agent now
because, man, you know everything about other side. It's crazy.
Also, Loki, love that you're such a Pulp Fiction fan
because Loki DM me like, English, do you speak it, motherfucker?
So thank you for for translation that she
I think it's now clear to Lockie what he should buy but guys definitely should check other side wiki
You have a lot of stuff about deeds and you can find also good deals there
I don't know what's the floor like 0.17 or something like that. So it's not that expensive
Of course, we are waiting for more info about the deeds but you know having one deed I think it's a it's
not a big issue and you know you can have fun with it you can you can try to
build something with the vibe coding tools and explore unreal engine so why
not hey what's the different we've like expanded there are two versions what's
the difference we've like expanded there are two versions what's the difference?
So in the beginning when all of the deeds came out they were on one contract and they came with set like codas on them
Which are the the those creatures and stuff like that and then you when you were able to separate the coda
From the deed and And when that happened, the coda went to other side codas,
and then the deed went to other side expanded because it no longer had a coda on it. So that's
why there's the other side expanded and then the other, and you still do have deeds with codas on
them in the other deeds from the other side.'s about 3029 of those left so you if
you bought one of those you would be able to separate the land from the coda still so on and
so forth go ahead dutch and codas can fly by the way loki so if you want to experience that feeling
uh buy coda can they really Oh, now I'm bullish.
Codas are the celestial beings. That's the gatekeepers to the other side. That's been said
officially, so I'll just
leave that. Gargis said that the
Coda is a flex.
End quote.
Amongst other things. What's the floor for a Coda right now?
Free.
1.35 or something like that.
It's not.
Yeah, they're pretty low.
Everything is pretty.
It's free right now.
I thought I saw your hand go up.
I'm sorry.
Go ahead, Mo.
I know, right?
If it's not a penguin price, you don't want it.
If it ain't 250K, don't at me.
Hey, Dutchie, I thought I saw your hand go up, man.
I don't want to keep talking over you because I know you'll try to smash me.
Yeah, we'll take you to the call, Sam, or other side.
And I'll just, you know, loot your avatar and leave you stripped.
Pause.
So, look, I think that another thing to consider as well is so there's a loaning protocol called Zarda, which has moved over to ApeChain and they've made their, they're already available on other chains.
But what they're stating to do and already building for is a loaning protocol via shadows.
So I think one thing that you're going to see just like with apes, for example,
you can now fully migrate an ape over to ape chain, or you can use shadows, which allows you to sort
of mirror a duplicate onto ape chain and have those benefits, right? Or you can move it completely
over. Now, what do you think? Let's think about the history of 8-chain and why it even exists.
Because there was a gas war, for those of you who remember who have the battle scars, the veterans who spent $20,000 in gas to claim a free NFT, which is the other side.
That was me, bro. I did it twice, actually.
We have a veteran here in the audience or on the stage.
here in in the audience uh or on the on stage um so what so does for gaming um even if you look at
the original sort of play to earn um uh games in 2021 um uh you know which i don't need to go around
and name a lot of the profits got aided into eight into because it was all on uh eth mainnet, right? So will they take lands and add shadows to them so that way they can be
on Ape Chain? I would say highly likely. CODAs were just recently added about last month.
So it's a much bigger collection and there's a lot more intricacies. But with Zarda, even if that
doesn't happen, they can, you know, you're going to have renting of land. So this is a big part of what they're positioning themselves in. So this means that, you know, you may be a big landholder, but someone wants to host a party or rent the land from you for resources, which is like farming that essentially that token.
which is like farming that essentially that token, or maybe you have an event that's happening and you want to be near the center of the clubhouse for proximity sake,
then you can essentially safely rent out and put a time amount.
You can say, OK, it expires at midnight on Friday, and then those building permissions are revoked from that other person. So that's
another thing to think about is sort of the, we'll call it the, yeah, the gray market, I guess, of
land and what it means in terms of in the game and why you want it, whether it be resources,
proximity, or just maybe like we were talking about earlier, you're going to have a huge amount of people coming in wanting to build, but they don't own any land, but they're time rich and they want to spend time. Maybe they've never even been in Web3 before, but now you can kind of make that a reality through Shadows, but also through that kind of lending protocol on Zarda. So that's just something else to think about.
And I would like to add one more thing,
because we all remember the floor prices of other deeds
and how it all went.
But I completely stopped looking at the floor and the price.
I'm really focusing on what to build on their deed
to make it fun and
to make it sustainable and that is gonna be my goal right it's not gonna be to sell the deed
but to really do something interesting that people want to use regularly whether it's game
whether it's some social experience like twitter spaces with some kind of quests right because
you can do twitter space there and because erc20 tokens are implemented let's imagine that we get sponsor like
ApeCoin you know maybe you can run around and collect a few ApeCoin you
know in the middle of the space and then get back or something like that so I
think there are more possibilities and of course we need builders and we need
someone who finds the you know fun ways how to utilize the deed.
So yeah, that's why I'm holding.
I think I have 24, which I thought is a lot, but it's nothing because there are guys like with hundreds of deeds, whales, and I love to see that.
So Loke, yeah, I'll welcome you in at least like 50 deed club.
You let him off easy. You said 50 deed club. You let him off easy.
You said 50 deed club.
I thought you was going to say
150 deed club
or something like that.
Come on, man.
Yeah, I'm already tracking
Loki's wallet,
so I'll be waiting, man.
Loki, back to you, man.
Instead of buying 50,
I think there's like
a higher rarity
where you get more resources,
something like that
on every single deed if you pull up the picture there'll be six little categories at the bottom it'll tell you whether there's an artifact whether there's a coda on it and then what the resources
are on each uh compass point on the map so northern southern eastern western and if you see
Something underneath those resources you want to get that deed because essentially you'll be able to farm that resource
And also lucky I think alpha for me is the the visuals and they are I think most of the deeds you can see there the 3d renders how they look
You know for example you have chaos you have acid you have jungle
So it depends what you want to build, right?
We also have that, I don't know what's the name,
but it's like a Frozen, so probably it's safe
for penguins to be there, you know.
Probably Jungle is not the best one for you guys.
you can find what you like.
No, but
have you ever seen Penguin
in the jungle, bro?
I haven't, right?
So I think you can find what you like
and you can have in mind what you want to build there
or what you want to do with it, right?
Maybe you want to try host a space there and stream it.
Who knows?
So, yeah.
By the way, guys, do you have 3D renders of penguins?
Do you have avatars that you can use for metaverse? Yes hologram
Nice
Actually, that'll be great because that'll make it where the penguins can fly because when you go up in the bubble
When you get into a space like this in the other side
Then you go up in the air so penguins will actually be flying in so now y'all flying in the metaverse come on man it's a no brainer
all right i had a question i just rose
my hand but i need to ask it
dookie dash dookie dash has been the
most successful yuga gaming
ip and
right now it's not available
when and will
they re-release dookie dash
um i think they killed the app because um When and will they re-release Dookie Dash?
I think they killed the app because I think...
What was the reason?
Because there weren't enough players or something like that?
Or the focus shifted?
Because I don't think they want to continue that, but I'm not 100% sure.
Dutchie, you are the AI agent here, so go ahead.
All right, so the AI results come back, and I mean, here's the thing. What made that the most popular game?
Was it that it is just this fantastic ongoing game,
or is it that because they had a million dollars worth of prizes?
So if you think, like by any stretch of the imagination,
that over the two to three years that they've been building, they don't realize the power of a million dollar prize pool when it comes to other side.
You know, there's the XP aspect, but I think Yuga knows better than most about putting up those million, multi-million dollar prizes that makes non-Web3 gamers.
makes non-Web3 gamers. Now, for the first time before, you had Web2 gamers having to open a
MetaMask, set up for the network, and then use delegation to be able to get access to somebody's
ape to be able to play. Now, in this case, anyone can play with a Gmail address or a Twitter account,
which most people are going to have that, they can get a wearable
or any of those kind of microtransaction movements through Apple ID or debit card.
And they don't even know that they're using the blockchain at all.
So I'm pretty sure that they know that they can attract those e-sports players and the
people who are playing on behalf of the apes just by doing a bathroom blitz tournament um project dragon there's also poker uh which is also
um was they did a poker event for charity so you have that crowd who will be attracted by that and
of course they're going to hold big moments to try to bring all those people in that won't be token
gated and they won't need any assets
to be able to play and then if they can earn they know this is a play to earn game and they've stated
publicly that they realize that those allures need to be in place and one thing with a blockchain
and gaming especially herman from improbable and and paul the CEO of Somnia. They talk a lot about the economy around the game.
So it doesn't have to necessarily be about selling items in games,
which will 100% happen, but also about betting.
And about, we have clutch markets on Ape Chain, which is an amazing tool.
And Paul talks a lot about, like, let's play something like Counter-Strike
and you can bet how many headshots this player will will hit actually etc etc so
I think it opens like a new economy for the players and I think it's gonna be
very interesting to see like new implementations and with Dookie Dash we
also had heavy metal right and they killed that too and I think that's good
because if something doesn't work well like you tried didn't work you get rid of it and you keep going right like you need to keep trying i
think in web 3 we are so scared of failing but if you look at like web 2 companies they failed all
the time like they failed they pivot they move you know they do something they try something
different and they find what works so yeah i'm actually excited that they killed heavy metal
and you know maybe even Dookie Dash.
Maybe it's going to come back again.
I think they mentioned that it's going to come to
other side, maybe, right? It might.
Yeah, we keep going, guys.
Saw a hand come up. Look like facts.
What you got, facts?
Yo, what's going on?
Thanks for letting me in, man.
I like what I'm hearing about this other side i had
seen uh some you know some some of the stuff that you know was coming out and did a little bit of
research but here in the space you guys have been talking about a lot of stuff that i didn't even
know um i got a couple questions um so this is like a decentralized way to be able to build with inside other side, right?
Using Unreal Engine and being able to play to earn and actually roam around and basically garner ERC 20 or different type of 11, 1155, 721.
OK, there's a few different ERC standards that 11 55, seven 21. Okay.
There's a few different ERC standards that are going to be available.
And that's just based off of what it is right now.
And do you think that'll expand as well?
Like,
absolutely.
Yeah.
Okay.
Absolutely.
They've already said that they are looking at other token standards as well.
Those are just kind of like with the rollout of this information,
but that's hot. Yeah. And you'll be able to just so the the head of engineering at Yuga is uh James Hall
and uh Oxquit is the um uh VP of blockchain and both of them are working together to put together
standard contracts um in which you know any person can deploy those 1155s.
It sounds like they're actually going for it.
This is like they're going for the whole full...
The world will never be the same, Fax.
The world will never be the same after this.
Yeah, pretty much like they got it.
They're trying to make sure they focus in the right direction
and going in the right direction and just, you know, full speed ahead.
You know, they keep in mind, they scrapped the whole other side of a while back.
And six months later, we were in there doing a stress test, basically.
But, you know, now you have this a real light footprint.
So definitely they, you know, they pivoted on the swivel and, yeah, they move them forward right there so yes sir let me ask you something what happened to solana when
the um pump fund thing went around and it got really popular what did solana get popular at
the same time or um was it just independent no definitely solana definitely got more popular off of that for sure
but everyone's launching tokens off of uh solana and but you know what's crazy though that you said
that because it wasn't just solana like a lot a lot like a lot of influx came into solana but
it actually fed multiple different avenues with insider web 3 as well so like what you're saying at the
yeah that's it's bigger it's a bigger picture i like bigger pictures so ape coin powers other
side so that's just um i don't know you can i've heard talks i've well like you said there was
the other side and whatnot like a few months back and then i was like okay what happened
and it's like
you know how it goes man if you're really trying to build something and that shit doesn't really
actually break and you have to like pivot to make it better then you probably aren't
shooting high enough like what happened was that we all we broke a world record man and uh you know
shout out to all my world record holders in the building. You know what I'm saying? Other side is in the Guinness World Book of Records.
What happened with that?
It was concurrent players in a single location.
So what they're with their stress testing is the ability to put avatars with different polygon counts all in the same area.
Oh, shit.
So when you play, for example, VR chat, and those are generally like unique avatars with different polygon counts all in the same area so when you play for example vr chat
and those are generally like unique avatars if you get you know 50 people together that thing
is crashing so this i think the record was you know over it was like 3 000 people all in the
same area in one area in one area and this is not a different what was the previous record uh in 20 in 2002 it was 1158
players and in 2022 it was 1530 players from uh planet side that was the record that's crazy okay
okay so and it's and it's and it's getting even better like that moment, from the track.
Oh, of course.
Yeah, okay.
You talk about server lag, hit boxes.
And so as client demand grows and you get more players, everything scales up.
So everything gets more difficult.
And the more stress you put on that and it performs flawlessly, that means you're going in the right direction.
performs flawlessly, that means you're going in the right direction. And that's why I was
emphasizing that Yuga scrapped the whole direction of the other side about a year and a half ago,
and now we're here. So yeah, man, they're moving in the right direction.
Well, also, you got to think about it. It's like you were able to log in from anywhere around the
world and do this. So you were able to control your avatar from some other server around the world and the
lag was virtually not there you know what i'm saying so that was pretty amazing experience in
itself because we never experienced before that and this is all through browser right so we're
talking you know what call of duty you need to download four gigs worth of data to be able to
get into a lobby together to wait for that lobby to be formed for then people
to be concurrent and the reason why some of these social games you'll go and you'll say hey i'm
standing in the same spot but i don't see you that's because there's creating multiple instances
or copies of the same server area um but you only are existing in one of the others so when you're
building infrastructure like this um it is it is um, and what they're looking at is, say, over this year, it's basically load testing.
So they'll have it open 24-7, where before it's just like two hours a day, something like that.
And then as time, you know, rolls out and all these things are open,
then what they're looking at is targeting the next couple hundred thousand users is what they call it.
You know, they're being humble about it. they're not saying i'm trying to onboard millions or
billions they're saying you know a hundred thousand users in there is significant um but imagine you
know that's also by having this live testing so don't expect to see that but once those servers
can handle that kind of traffic then you'll see really like more web 2 advertising
more um activations them heading to like a gdc game developer conference that kind of thing but
until that uh infrastructure has been load tested sufficiently with all of web 3 which is what you
know just a few thousand people um then you'll probably see more outward marketing,
but it doesn't make sense to try to hype things up right now. So I think if you're interested in
that, it's because you want to be part of that early testing and feedback loop.
Exactly. So the second part of the question was, so earlier I heard something about, you know,
some carrots that other chains can get involved and actually create.
And I was going to ask, so the abstract global wallet, is that something that can be implemented and used as far as like the smart contract deployments and whatnot and execution for transactions within other side?
Well, we have that.
Yuga has their own wallet like that called glyph pretty much
that's like you know where it's just the email login it's super simple and all that yeah i don't
think it's impossible for it to be like you know adapted because it's evm compatible yeah but like
right now you'd want to set up a glyph and and get straight into the other side have a yuga id
would you be able to do both like would you would you be able to do multiple, do you think, if you're building one?
Well, they're looking into it.
They're just steadily and constantly looking into exploring,
but you've got to have a benchmark of a starting point at some place.
And I believe where we are right now is we're right at the starting gate.
So, like, when Hussein Boat gets the four-by-one baton,
he can get on to the finish line, but he's got somewhere right and that's where we are now we're just getting started
and having said that that's where they're still looking into compatibility with every and
interoperability with all everything out there and of course pudgy uh and and abstract is one of the
the biggest ips that's available so how imagine how massive that would be to invite Pudgy in.
And Pudgy say, you know what?
We can come in there and play our game, too.
We can come kick y'all ass.
We can kick the Apes' ass and everything in our game on your own land.
So, you know, the gamification just amplifies.
So, yeah, man, they're looking into everything to answer that question.
Thanks.
I heard about some penguins flying, too.
That's pretty cool because they can't do that in real life.
Well, let me rack that back.
So when you go into the other side, when you jump into a space like this, like we're in a space, you actually float.
You go up in a bubble.
And so the penguin would, of course, be 3D rigged, and he's going to go up.
He's going to be floating.
So now the penguins are flying.
So that's what that analogy, that little joke was right there.
Now penguins can fly in the other side.
So just to kind of straighten that out so we don't we don't leave here with a misconception.
Yeah, I think also, you know, important thing to point out here is, again, it's like there's this aspect of games,
Like there's this aspect of games, which a lot of people are like asking like, oh, what if I'm not into gaming?
which a lot of people are like asking, like, oh, what if I'm not into gaming?
But the bubbles, which is basically akin to spaces, it can hold up to 500 concurrent people at a time.
And then, of course, it could stream outwardly to any social platform.
So if you think about that, adding even the layer of 3D graphics, etc., it doesn't necessarily always have to be 3D, too.
So I would encourage people to open their mind to that if it's an Unreal Engine application, it can launch full screen to be anything.
It could be pixel 2D Mario jumper.
It could be an app.
It could be maybe even the existing Pudgy game if that's
built an Unreal Engine or could be adopted to.
So I don't think that there is any kind of limitations as to what can happen here and
they're not trying to gate who can build and who isn't.
And that's the difference here.
It is not building a video game, it is building a platform in which people can launch games and applications permissionlessly.
And so that is a completely different viewpoint.
And this means that it's true interoperability from multiple chains, multiple, like I said, token standards, 3D assets.
It's streaming platforms.
Like these are all, it shows the North Star is reflected across all of these verticals.
If they were trying to close things off into streaming, like you can only use this streaming app
or you can only use this wallet system, then I'd say, okay.
But it seems to me that they've well thought out that they want
interoperability across the entire network whether that be um gaming engine or you know
token standard 3d style all that stuff so so this is like a omni meta like a omni metaverse
like interruptible like engine what a metaverse was supposed to be yeah yeah yeah there's nothing
you know if you look at ready player one or you know uh snow crash or any of the kind of early
uh signals of what metaverse platform is supposed to be you know let me maybe address this quickly
because it irritates the hell out of me when people talk about metaverses there's no such
thing as metaverses just like we don't talk about internets okay there is the internet and people
build for that platform and expand the use of the internet and then there's the metaverse and all of
these are universes within universes which makes it a meta. So it being interoperable is sort of the entire point
is that all of these universes are fitting into. And so, you know, it's not just even other side,
it's supposed to be interoperable with other platforms as well. And that's what we're all
supposed to be building is open standards. And that's why you have the word open metaverse.
But every single company that I've seen saying that building the open metaverse
are the most closed off systems I've ever seen.
And they're trying to duplicate what Web 2 is doing.
So don't ever use the word, not that you did, but there's no metaverses.
There's only the metaverse and we're all building for the metaverse.
And these are platforms to reach the metaverse and we're all building for the metaverse uh and these are platforms to reach the metaverse
they're um uh yeah so there is so you can launch into the metaverse ar vr everything is part of
that metaverse it's crazy because i know how to trigger dutchy now yeah man i just wanted to say
that man because i'll keep saying metaverses bro sorry
i was gonna say internets like sometimes i'll use the internets as like just trying to be like
snarky because it's funny just one or two just one or two the internets yeah yeah we're building
we're building an internet guys hey everyone is building internets. That makes a lot of sense.
Yep.
So just trying to be respectful of everybody's time.
Loki, I want to check with you, see if you're okay, man.
Get a pulse check.
Kind of poke the penguin to make sure you're alive.
I know it's like 5 a.m. where you at, bro.
We want to make sure that you're okay and you're still with us.
And to see if there's anything that you had pressing issues or anything.
If not, we'll just keep this joker going.
Yeah, I'm sleeping.
So, guys, you know what that means?
You could have been anywhere in the world, but you chose to come hang out with us and learn about the Internet.
And while we talk Loki to sleep, but Dutchie has that quality about himself.
And so don't feel bad if you went to sleep.
Thank you for all the speakers.
We definitely want to make sure we thank Foxy because she came in.
She gave us some alpha.
She got scrolls for some,
some of the alpha she didn't want to give and everybody else.
We appreciate you for hanging out with us,
man.
Hopefully we can do this thing safe and sound the next time that is scheduled, which hopefully is next week.
If not, we'll just wait. But you have to turn on your likes and follows.
You have to turn on your notices for Loki. And the other accounts you want to follow is the NFT Renaissance.
Now, the NFT Renaissance is for real collectors. I stop and I caution you.
is for real collectors. I stop and I caution you. If you're a flipper, this is not for you.
It's for real collectors and these guys are serious about their shit. You know how
the songwriter said, I'm a songwriter and I'm serious about my shit. Well, they are collectors
and they're serious about their shit. So excuse my potty mouth, but definitely follow, turn on
like and follow NFT Renaissance, like and follow nft renaissance like and follow
loki so that way you can catch these uh spaces when they come up we enjoyed everybody for coming
out and uh we will catch you out there in the in in the nft space shit posted on the timeline
and i will appreciate you have a good day loki if you want to talk us out if not bite yeah thank you alpha as always like great
clothes yeah i don't pay you enough for shilling myself shilly renaissance i'm surprised every time
but also i mean we don't really hate flipper we know it's a culture i'm a flipper myself so
everybody is welcome to one day be a collector in their own. But yeah, guys, thanks again.
Really, it's been two hours.
Thanks, Dachi.
Thanks, Machiavelli.
Thanks, Alpha.
Thanks, Grateful.
Thanks, Foxy.
And everybody before.
Oh, Cairo, sorry.
And Fox.
Good night, guys.
Good night.
Peace.
See you next Sunday
