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Recorded: March 15, 2026 Duration: 2:21:39Space Recording
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Thank you. you
Days and FTS Please hit the purple pill like comment retweet share this into all your groups
we're about to kick this thing off what's up loki
yeah sorry sorry i didn't know my mic was on um you know my sunday ritual before the space
i was leaving the the food massage place.
But yeah, man.
Play your stuff.
Alright, let's get rocking and rolling, guys.
Like I said, like, comment, retweet,
share the space. We got a lot of great people
in the house today.
Hey, let's get them hypnotized. Come on. Who's who? Do something to us. Talk, go to us. What's up to us? Wanna do us? Screw us. Who us?
Yeah, Papa and Papa. Close like Starsky and Hutch.
Stick to clutch. Yeah, I squeeze three at your Cherry M3.
Bang every MC easily.
Take that.
Recently, niggas frottin', ain't sayin' nothin', so I just speak my piece.
Keep my piece. Cubans with the Jesus piece.
With my niece.
Packing, asking who want it. Did not it, nigga, flaunt it. That Brooklyn bullshit, we on it. Keep my peace, Cubans with the Jesus piece Thank you For everybody from Gen Z out there, this is called Notorious B.I.G. Meaning who's willing to shit? Them niggas ride dicks. Frank White pushed me six on the Lexus.
LX, four and a half.
Bulletproof glass tits if I want some ass.
Gonna blast squeezes, ask questions last.
That's how most of these so-called gangsters pass.
At last, a nigga rapping about blunts and bras.
Tits and bras, menage a trois.
Sex and expensive cars.
I still need you on the pavement.
Condo paid for, no car payment.
At my arraignment, no for the cleaning.
Your door is tied up in the Brooklyn basement.
Face it, not guilty.
That's how I stay still.
Not guilty.
Richer than Richard.
So you niggas coming here.
Come on.
Guys, hit the purple pill, like, comment, retweet,
share out the space.
We're gonna get started here in just a minute. Oh, 160, swiftly, wreck it by the one, the crew run, run, run, the crew run, run.
I know you sick of this name brand, liquor with flows, girl, stay heat, sweet like Icarus.
So get with this, nigga, it's easy, girlfriend, here's a bit, homie, rap, can't come through.
Have sex on rubs, that's person.
Come up to your job, hit you while you're working, for certain, pop a-freakin', not speakin'.
Leave that ass leakin leaking like rapper Demo
Tell them who, take their clothes while stoning
Fill them with the force like Omi
Dick black like Omi, watch me roam like Omi
Lucky they don't own me
Where to say show me, Omi
Biggie, biggie, biggie, can't you see?
Sometimes your words just hypnotize me
And I just love your flashy ways
Guess that's why they're broken your soap
biggie biggie biggie can't you see sometimes your words is hypnotizing and i just love your
flashy ways up guess that's why they're broken your soap biggie biggie biggie can't you see
sometimes your words is hypnotizing I'm just going to just hypnotize me. Biggie, Biggie, Biggie, can't you see? Everybody here loves NFTs!
Welcome to NFTs, everybody.
I hope you're having the...
your lives.
Shout out to everybody already on the stage
and in the building.
We're about to get this party started. hey alpha welcome yeah i think i'm here man i keep going it kept sending me down and back up
am i here can y'all hear me yep we can i think i need a God mic like Jesus, man. Send me the model number and shit
that mic you got, bro, because it's usually
it just dominates the space.
It's just an SM7B.
It's nothing any different
than anyone has.
You just, you need
the voice to go with it. You need that little bit of
country twang and
Okay, okay, okay.
Touche, my boy.
That's it, right,py yo i got 70 people in here and i got 14 retweets and like 15 likes hurry up spread it we got a lot
of notables in the house let's get this room pumped up and let's get this show started
no hey and before just uh yeah let's double check so everybody if you're not retweeting
we ban them
let's do an excel real quick
if you're on stage
and you haven't retweeted kick them off the stage
yeah I just want to go from the space real quick
hold up
and before we get started
I want to say this one thing
it's probably 10 seconds but listen
when we were going over the itinerary there was a couple of things that was put out there and then
somebody said and what you know what else or like what have we forgotten and there's one thing that's
the freaking elephant in the room right now and that's the fact that Loki put out some information about a freaking NFT project, bro.
Like, we not going to talk about Loki's NFT project, man.
What are you doing to us, man?
What is this simulation we living in, bro?
So I don't know where this is going to be on the itinerary.
I don't even care if it get on the itinerary.
As long as I said this, I can go die now because my life is complete but there's no way in the world you gonna mention something
about an nft project and it not be a headliner on the nft sunday show i digress right there my mic
i'm just too wash too wash for this yeah no shilling no No shilling, Loki. I'm sorry, bro. Y'all have to have proof invoice you.
Yeah, that's what I want to say.
I cannot afford
to shit on this show.
So I'm sorry, guys.
I tell you what,
if a speaker get up here
and they don't acknowledge that
or they don't say something
about that in some regards,
I'm booting everybody
off the stage.
I'm making this whole space rug.
I don't know how I'm going to do it,
but I'm going to figure out
a way to... I'm calling Elon. Somebody going to help me with this today space rug. I don't know how I'm going to do it, but I'm going to figure out a way.
I'm calling Elon.
Somebody going to help me with this today, man.
There is no way, bro.
Anyway, let's go ahead and get on to it.
I guess, yeah, we got a star-studded speaker panel out there today, man.
Thank you all for coming and showing up.
Again, like Machiavelli said, do us a little respect for the host himself and like and uh repost the space work everything
like a switchboard operator because this is the sunday nft show and we about to get into it thanks
man thanks man i appreciate everybody to to come here early to to help support nfts not just on
sunday every day 12 building and we are all in this together. So let me do a recap. What
happened this week? Or maybe I missed something. So I saw, I just seen, a Zuki TCG posting like
nine minutes ago. Something is awakening. I don't know. If you guys know something, if some Atsuki, older Atsuki team member want to show up, it's been a while, come here and tell us what's going on with Atsuki. released like a year ago and then I think plan changed, they polished it.
If you guys have tried, the game is really really nice of course, like different target audience than people here on stage.
I invited some Pudge people, let's see if they show up later, tell us more what's cooking over there.
And then we got Machiavelli changing PFP for the 69th time in a day, probably.
So he's ripping, if you don't know what it is, he's rapping Evolution 2 Heavy Metal.
So the project both.
Absolute grail. Absolute grail. Flip brim. Very, very, very rare.
Is it? What is... Tell me, tell me. How did you combine...
Yeah, this is like, honestly, if you look at the Evo 2s and you look at the flip brim trait,
like, that's the... Jeff is the mascot for heavy metals.
And this was the closest in the collection that you could get to the mascot
like actual jeff the the heavy metal so when he came available i had been trying to get this entity
for a while guys and when he finally came available i knew that what it would look like when it when
it evolved so i was just super excited about it i wanted it and like you know this is a keeper for
me you know unless you got like 10 each or something i mean i'm not apart with it then but
you know but like other than that i'll keep keep it. Free. Free. Free. Absolutely free.
Yeah, so Heavy Metal finally did the burn.
It was expected to happen years ago.
So now we got Heavy Metal Pats and Heavy Metal Evolution 2.
If you're only Evolution 1 and you don't know what's going on,
you have to evolve your robot.
So go for it or it will be worthless in the future.
And then finally, Doodles announcing Doodles AI Beta, March 17.
I'm excited about this, Logi.
I'm excited.
I also want to know
What's the drama behind here
We were waiting for it
I think right after the DUTG
Then somebody from the team left
I think
I think the guys
Wanted to tune in
To perfection probably
But yeah, let's start with it
We have here Pocky and Dudleaf
Welcome back guys
Hey, my boy, what's good?
Jim gents jump right in don't uh don't step on each other's foot right. What do we want to ask?
Who's the artist behind Doodles?
What is Doodles?
Good old...
Good old BT.
Honestly, there have been a lot of people that fuck is a Doodle for a long time.
So, you know, we're still looking to track down the answer for that.
It's a little bit of community lore there.
But, yeah, to Loki's point, we have Doodles AI Beta,
which is dropping and releasing to the public on March 17th.
It's going to start as an image-to-image model,
letting you drop in any sort of picture that you want,
whether it's a meme, a photograph that you take,
or whatever else the case may be,
and then instantly turn it into a doodle style.
So, you know, those notorious kind of soft curves,
the line weights, the pastel color palette,
you're able to doodle-fy your life
within the click of a button.
And so super excited about it
and really looking forward to continuing to push forward
new iterations, new features within the product.
But for now, really excited to get it out to the public
and let people get their hands on it.
But Lifts, I'm not sure if you want to give a brief rundown real quick
or chatter about it.
I'm not sure how we want to wheel and deal if we could trade off.
It's up to you.
Dude, I will say that my space is rugged, and so I got dropped.
So if any important questions got asked, I missed it.
But I don't know.
I mean, yeah, like you said, I'm just excited for people to get their hands on it i mean it's it's so interesting like i was at breakfast
yesterday and i had freaking hot sauce on the table and i was like let me just like the in the
mobile version there's a camera and you can like take a photo and then turn it into doodles ai and
i was like what does chalula sauce look like in the doodle verse like it's just like i can't stop
doing that i'm like is this gonna make posting pictures of your food on the internet cool again like i'm not sure um so i don't know it's just fun one question before
let me ask this question it looks like paulky has got some anime on top of something right there is
that like alluding to doodles anime like dana may or something look at yeah check that out what's
going on with that my friend yeah so this is actually so this is a bit of a hodgepodge of a PFP right now that I'm rocking.
So the base PFP, the Spaceman kind of galaxy guy, is straight from Doodles AI.
It's like a straight generation that came out on the other end.
And then, of course, the boys over at NewCo, Greeny and Co, those are the homies.
Trying to show them love and pop the hood on as well but dude with doodles ai i don't know i've got a few bangers in the uh in the chamber that
i don't know i'm gonna i'm gonna start looking like michael velli rotating my pfps here soon so
uh that's the other thing that's extremely exciting about it man where it's just like
the world is your oyster everyone in the space knows what doodles looks like and so i mean you
can essentially have a doodles pfp of like your life or anything around you within the click of a button
so it's exciting but yeah a bit of a hodgepodge here but from Doodles AI
Tuesday, Loki with some phone back
Yeah so I read a question I think was. So somebody was mentioning very interesting to see
Bertoltz effectively releasing his art to use for everybody. In contrast,
with what happened, I think it was like six, seven months ago when ChatGPT went really mainstream and everybody was trying Studio Ghibli
kind of picture and
So we see like two different approaches to IP proliferation effectively
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Machiavelli do you have an add-on to that no no no go ahead dude no my bad
go ahead well dude yeah if you're asking like in kind of comparing it to the studio ghibli moment
i mean that is a pretty apt comparison obviously uh miyazaki is you know incredible uh but it is
it does represent this really interesting thing we've been talking a lot of like ai partners and
stuff like that because this product allows us to reach outside the NFT space alone.
And they're getting it too.
It represents something really special.
You have an artist who's, number one, just good.
Number two, notable.
People know about Bartosz.
He's a famous muralist.
He's done a ton of work for Google and Samsung and Facebook, Meta.
The list goes on and on. And then the third kind of work for Google and Samsung and Facebook, Meta, like, you know,
the list goes on and on. And then the third kind of final piece, maybe third and fourth,
is that he's willing to experiment with AI, which if you venture outside of our bubble,
is rare. And then the fourth kind of crucial piece is he's not only willing to experiment,
but he's leaning like all the way in, like a thousand percent and saying like, i'm going to democratize my art style and
essentially cement my kind of legacy in a in a way that's self-improving not just as like a tombstone
uh but you know each generation improves the the model uh but it's saying i'm ready for the ai era
um so i don't know it's pretty cool i'm stoked
awesome stuff jesus jump in there guy um yeah so I had a few questions uh one like so obviously
this is going to be for everybody and will what kind of what kind of images or videos or anything
will I be able to save will I be able to save these as gifts? Will I be able to, or is it just basic, you know,
image, you know, generation? What, like, how much depth are we going to have here to be able to
share content and make things? Yeah, no, totally. It's a, it's a great question. BT has said pretty
firmly that the goal is to, is to get the Doodles AI to a point where you can't distinguish if a
five or 10 minute film was
made by Doodles LLC or was made by the community, right? And so we're taking an iterative approach
to that and being that the first kind of iteration or version of the Doodles AI will be image
to image. But that being said, we're very quickly looking down the road, building out the roadmap
to where it will include some of the more expected features that you that you come to think of such as text to image image to video text to video and so on uh but starting
this off with a uh with image to image and uh and really looking to hit the ground running with our
community with this really specifically so yeah because i think gifts would would you know obviously
you see bearish you see there's so many brands that are massive you know penguins and um the other side of this
is there going to be eventually different levels where the dude token is integrated to where you
can get like a premium tier and maybe some other tools that if you use the doodles token and then
it was like burned or whatever um down the line it could we see an
integration like that yeah i mean 100 i we're we're kind of looking at all variations of that
because like the variations of that are endless right it's like oh do you want to use do token do
we want to have you know og doodles put their doodles in space and then they get something
like so we're kind of just you know sussing out all kind of permutations of that.
But day one, we'll have the integration for the ability to pay
with a really top-tier credit card experience as well as Dude.
And I think, Pocky, correct me if I'm –
well, I don't want to say too much about the Dude integration and say too much,
but you'll be able to use Dude day one for the beta.
So that was kind of a non-negotiable for us as far as even beta day one. Yeah. Cause a lot of teams you'll see,
they're like, they hesitate with using their native token on products that they're releasing
because they're trying to build a payment system where they can keep all the fees and they can do
all. And it's like, I understand you got to make money, but let the ecosystem breathe and let the
flywheel turn and, you know, integrate these things that you're releasing with the token itself.
Like, it doesn't make sense not to use your own native currency.
Yeah, we've actually had a lot of, we've been talking with some of the world's biggest payment processors.
Because we're, you know, that's part of my job as like director of ecosystem is like now I'm thinking about how can we expand the ecosystem and even use things as simple, quote unquote, as simple as a payment processor to not just be like, yeah, you just like use that thing.
Like, no, like this is crypto.
Like we can have like partners and big relationships and use our ecosystem token.
And so we've even had off the rip one of our partners that we're going to be using on day one, enabled Dude to be able to be used.
And so it's like it's a great, you know, way to approach brands.
Like, hey, we want to use your product.
We need you to kind of enable Dude.
And then, you know, then they kind of flywheel keeps turning, like you were saying.
My last question, will the AI have the ability to take a cartoon image like MyPfp or loki's or anything like that and
you know dutify this thing or what does it have to be like an irl image um you know of myself
because then you have people worried that are aren't doxxed you know does does the ai save
the image you know know, of myself?
Totally, yeah.
So a few different answers to that.
So as far as how images are saved and processed on our end,
they are encrypted like using hash marks.
So on the back end, like of the dev server,
we don't see any images of anybody that anything is uploading.
You're not able to go to other people's profiles to see the
reference image you're able to on your own profile. But definitely understand like the importance of
anonymity and wanting to maintain that in the space especially that we're in. So definitely
taking all like proper safety measures to make sure that if you are attempting to stay in on,
you are able to do so. And so on top of that, we have a best practices kind of tool tip on Doodles
AI for you to bounce into that kind of explains how you'll be able to get the best results.
That being said, due to some internal testing that we've been running and reinforced learning
that we've been doing with the model, taking the best generations and feeding it back into it,
in my personal opinion, I think those have expanded a good bit,
and I think that it's gotten much, much better with cartoon to cartoon.
You might still see some sort of rough edges.
But yeah, for the most part, you should be able to throw in,
doodlefy your PFP, doodlefy images, and so on.
But again, refer to the best practices as we continue to push that
reinforcement learning into the model and continue to refine as we move forward.
And I'll just add to that too.
It's like, yeah, that wouldn't have been the same answer like three weeks ago.
You know what I'm saying?
And that's the cool part about building an AI product is like the speed and scale of which that entire fucking industry is moving.
Is that, yeah, like right now on our roadmap
we're like yeah we want to have ai to video done at this point and we want to be able like pocky
said to be able to do like you know long-form video at this point um but if anybody's been
paying attention to the ai industry it's like tomorrow you know one or quen or you know could
drop a new model and be like okay well that had just accelerated our roadmap by you know 12 months so that's cool um so that's that's we're excited to be like
now aligned with that and now we can kind of ship at the rate of the entire ai industry so
i think it's just gonna be a fun side yeah my my last question are we gonna see a like a doodle
tinder off of this are we gonna be able to swipe left and right once so many
images are generated uh where we can actually have some fun on the timeline i think that'd be
pretty fun dude are we about to vibe good doodles tinder right now i'm here for it no but i will say
that it's funny me and lifts actually we're just talking i think two or three days ago probably
i think it's thursday or or Friday around like, you know,
what does this look like in the studio?
How do we make it more dynamic, more sociable?
How do we run, you know, contests between prompts,
between generations, some sort of voting system and things like that.
So definitely forefront of mind and like very on the conversation about it.
But I'm also down to VibeCode Tinder live on NFT Sunday.
So Lyft lifts you want to
jump into. Well, and that's kind of the cool thing
too, is right now, Doodles AI
is a first-party product in the sense of
we have built the front end and everything else like that.
But we were just talking with one of the
tooling providers
yesterday on a call, and they were saying,
this is one of those cool things that everyone's shipping new features.
They're like, oh yeah, now we're going to expose
your model as an API endpoint. We're like, oh, sick. So now other people can
build experiences on top of that. There may be a world in the future where we have our core model
that we control and get that tight, I don't want to use the word control, but just it's a quality
control essentially. But then someone could build a kind of layer on top of that or something like that.
And then like you said, it could be Tinder.
It could go ad infinitum, which is just pretty cool.
Man, while you guys are over here
talking about vibe coding the image,
I'm over here talking about vibe coding the voice
so it can change my voice to sound like,
Jesus Christ.
Hey man, this is this is hey i would
love that you guys come back and say you know what tinder is up y'all go ahead and join up you
know get get your dude points and everything that's awesome parky that's awesome dude left
proof i i mean i i really like when i seen them originally posting about this i was confused on
if you needed an nft to make it you know to make any art or it's
going to be token gated and like i mean i think this is a really good thing that they're doing
that other brands can can replicate uh that you know it just it gives you as a creator
like immediate content like every day like if i had something like this for my creep or any of my
other nfts like i mean bro like you know how many times i go in gemini or i'm in other you know
shit and i just get shitty responses i'm like you know have my pfp standing next to this and it's
like my building is on top of there's a building that pops up with a boat
sticking out of it and i'm like taking your eye yeah it's like that's not what i asked for
you know so like i like it it's pretty dope yeah i think i think this is a good point um
the question is i mean we have here some some founders so let's go to ask them like the question is do we think now literally
every emerging brand they have to they must prolifer the ip so do they need to provide
a similar tool to their community puppy
gm what's up guys can you hear me okay okay? Yes, sir. Loud and clear, Jim.
Yeah, well, you know, I really enjoy this topic because my entire focus at the moment,
and probably for many, many, many years of moments, is proliferating the IP.
So we're taking two directions. Number one, I think that there's a responsibility for us to do it right i think projects should have this hybrid approach so we just hired uh three creatives in
the last we'll say 45 days that all serve slightly different purposes but all of it is ultimately to elevate and highlight the IP.
So I'm not sure if you guys saw, but last weekend, last Saturday, we rolled out our YouTube channel and it's going really well.
We've launched our Kids Learning YouTube channel and we did our second video yesterday.
and we did our second video yesterday so the first one was abc second one is colors um so we're doing
So the first one was ABC, second one is Colors.
it that way we're taking the responsibility from you know from our perspective to proliferate the
ip but we're also getting ready to and i kind of leaked this yesterday so whatever i'll i'll talk
about it a little bit here but we're getting ready to release um our dashboard, the creator. It's like a collector holder dashboard,
kind of a hybrid where there's a lot of things
they can do in there.
And one of the things that we're producing
are AI, like AI driven, we'll say like training tools
and prompting tools and sharing some of the successful prompts
that people in our community
have built. You know, we have a lot of, even my brother, I was just laughing about it because my
brother is, you know, definitely not a big like web three guy, definitely not a tech savvy guy.
And, you know, he, he was out of web three for a while, came back. He has a bunch of quirkies, traded for some ones that he really wanted and got really
passionate about being a part of it again and started using ChatGBT to create all this
quirky art.
And it's so good.
It's really clean.
Like everything's intact.
The integrity of the IP, the antennas, AI screws up our antennas a lot. So if you see quirky stuff on the timeline, sometimes you'll
see like a missing antenna. It's pretty funny. Um, but like my brother's mastered this and he is not
a very advanced, I don't like in the most respectful way, he's probably put a few hours
into chat GBT. Like it's not, it's not his life calling by any means. So yeah,
I mean, we're, we're building tools, but also we have people in our community that are
like doing spaces, doing workshops and teaching people how to use, you know, Grok, GBT and a few
of the other platforms to actually do it. Um, I do think, you know, having rails and having,
um, you know, guidelines is very important because number one,
integrity of the IP and number two, there's a lot of people who just don't understand it and
are not going to take the time or maybe not even take the first step unless you kind of hold their
hand and say, look, here's this box type in what you want. You know, what ID number is your asset?
box, type in what you want, you know, what ID number is your asset. And, uh, and so, yeah,
I mean, I think it's important. I think as, as much as we can get the IP out in different forms
and, you know, look, last thing I'll say is this, like our PFPs are static. All of them
are static, right? It's, it's not moving. It's not expressing. It's just a paused frozen image.
not moving it's not expressing it's just a paused frozen image so bringing these to life and giving
them character and spirit is very important for the growth of the brand good stuff well well put
too because even i remember uh one of the one of the uh medals that came about a few years ago
was the PFPs moving and that even was a thing you know and it kind of drew some of us in
and so you know it's definitely bringing them to life actually is a further extension thereof and
allows us to to really uh get really intimate and intimate and not intimate in that sense.
So guys, don't let your radars go off.
But it allows us to get more sentimental with our assets, you know,
because we can personalize them more.
Also, Kevin, I saw your hand come up.
Jump on in there, good sir.
Hey, guys. Nice seeing y'all.
Yeah, I love this angle of co-creation a lot i think for us
we like the first thing that we're trying to solve is um not so not per se like the content output
but more how do we make sure that when things are created um it aligns with the story that we have
and so i think um that makes it a little bit complicated
because we're a very story-driven brand
rather than, yeah, if you have more of a cute IP,
you know, you could make art much more simple
because you could just put the character in a certain scene
and whatever scene it is in, it could be fine, right?
You could just take a message and then share that with the world.
But in our case, there's like world rules.
And so, yeah, this is something like we are actively working on.
We've developed an app that we call StoryOS for now
that I've spoken about last time.
And we're almost there to share it with our community
so that they can tap into it.
And so some of the use cases is, for example,
we have an animator who's really great.
He worked on some incredible shows.
He's done Laundry Day, the Instagram short that we produced,
if you haven't seen it.
Yeah, it's like really great work.
And he reached out to me the other day and he was like,
Hey, Kev, I gifted him his first NFT, right?
So he's not in the NFT space.
He's an animator.
I gifted it to him.
I explained him the concept of that you can own a character
and you can create around it.
And he just laughed at it.
And so he said, like, I'm going to create my own short series
around my NFT character.
And then he pitched me the concept and he was like
um yeah i want this character to skate through the city right and obviously my first thought was like
oh i would stay away from skating because one uh is very much azuki right in terms of web tree like
uh let's differentiate ourselves a little bit so that's that's like one but another thing in
in the world of final boss who uh most likely there are no skaters it's not a thing that happens there that's a very serious world as well right so
um like how can we share this with a person like that right it's it's difficult to um yeah to do
that so there's countless of these examples and we have we have some um like we host every two
weeks a builder call with all the builders within Final Bosses.
There's quite a lot now.
People creating their own comic books.
There's people.
One last.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
You all right, Max?
That was violent.
That was cheese.
That was cheese.
Yeah, I think he just didn't know he was unmuted.
I know right now.
It sounds like he fell off a building.
Perpetual falls.
I'm editing videos at the same time.
So it was.
I'm sorry.
It sounded like you were playing World of Warcraft or something too.
I keep my roadcaster muted.
But my mic is unmuted.
So I can just jump in.
But yeah. And a fucking video popped up.
It could have been worse. It could have been worse it could have been
worse oh kia back to you did i did i say something weird um but yeah we have for example somebody is
creating his own uh role-playing game um you know and he's creating books and all the world elements
and yeah like constantly he's writing stuff and he needs to check that with the team right just
like is this canon does this happen in the canon? Does this happen in the world? Doesn't this happen in the world?
And obviously it's hard because we're writing a lot.
My brothers are full-time writing the script as we speak.
So a lot of rules are not defined, but there are certain rules that are defined.
Like one big one is in our world, people don't die.
people don't die. There's no death. People keep respawning.
Like there's no death, right? People keep responding.
And so these are all of those kind of rules that are very important
that we need to give with.
And so, yeah, I know it's not fully on the AI model, but it has to do with
co-creation and sharing to keep everything aligned.
And I think kind of the next phase, and I'm very curious how Doodles thinks about this.
I don't know how deep the world goes.
I do not have a lot of the world elements there.
So, yeah, I'm kind of curious as well to you guys at Doodles,
like how you guys think about that,
that if somebody generates something, right,
like how do you make sure it's canon
or that it at least isn't something that is like an absolute no-go right in this world
We don't
I mean, I don't think that you could ever expect
UGC user-generated content to always follow a specific storyline of the brand and stuff
But I think like what's amazing about that is like the brand can always
be considered like the main timeline right and then your user generated content is kind of like
the branches from those things like and and it it evolves the world it it evolves the ip and stuff
um i i think that that's just one of those difficult things like when you when you take a
look at like what doodle ai is doing like that that that uh art that style that that's just one of those difficult things. Like when you, when you take a look at like what doodly eyes doing, like that, that, that art, that style, that,
that presence is very synonymous. Like we know it. So like, you know,
they obviously have their main storyline and, and it rides, if you know,
do the, the, the do's verse, I'm sorry, I'm,
I'm missing the name right now, but I'm, I'm ready for it. But anyways,
I think that it's just the user-generated content is the W,
regardless of storyline or anything.
You know what I mean?
I think even as an NFT community member,
I think that that's like the single most important thing
any community member can do across all the boards
is to proliferate the brand, is UGC.
Yeah, Maka, I will say that this is a this is a known issue actually it's a problem
that every brand would love to have that because that means you are relevant so until you are
irrelevant people can create whatever they want who cares because i mean the goal of these tools
the goal of ugc is really to to achieve mainstream for your brand so yeah i mean we see
pokemon having this kind of issue and so many other brands every day or new games adding some
i mean new copycat of pokemon adding some little innovation to their own game but whatever i mean
imagine somebody trying to copycat doodles though they can't get eyes off the side of the head like doodles do.
Nobody does that like doodles.
So they can go to hell trying to copycat doodles.
The floating eye has thwarted more IP theft than any trademark.
But to what Kevin was saying, there's nothing wrong with having a defined canon and something like that.
There's so many approaches to storytelling.
You could have some kind of double reverse, recursive branching storyline, like, and that's totally fine.
I think that we're just kind of taking, you know, we're kind of leaning into this kind of like open sourcing and democratizing of the Doodles and Burnto's artwork.
And so it's like, okay, if we're open sourcing that, then it's like, are we creating the next generation of open story, right?
Which is maybe not as well defined, right? We do have some canonical pieces like
Doodlesville and the Doodleverse, but, you know, in six months, there could be some Doodles community
member who has an AI agent writing a thousand pages a day of Canon generating, you know,
countless stories. And who are we to say like, you know, for us, for our brand, I think,
and I should say more specifically, like for us, I think we want to just kind of be open to that um and see where that goes
bro you said in six months ai the way this the way technology is so aggressive it'd be like in six
days hell six hours maybe six minutes probably somebody on the space is doing it now i saw lord
eco's hand come up so lord eco we're gonna to jump to you and then back to Kev.
And then we'll go to Maha and Yacht and jump in there too.
So Lord Eco, over to you.
Yo, what's up, guys?
Awesome weekend for everyone, I hope.
Yeah, man, I wanted to add to the conversation because you guys are talking about brand proliferation.
And, you know, it's something that we have been putting some work with while recently.
There's multiple ways, right, where you can proliferate your your brand your ip with art it's one of the ways that you guys were talking about right and ai another one that it's the one
that we have been targeting the most in the last month or two is actually introducing our ipr
character into into games right we we have our main character, Mascot Hora,
in Other Side recently.
We did some collective missions with the Other Side guys,
you know, I see Machiavelli appear,
and Honeydum there as well, you know,
they were huge help for us to implement the character
into the game.
And this last week, we also had the character
in Nifty Island, you know, so it's been an
unramp thing for us, putting the WoW avatar character into every metagame that we can
introduce it to for people to play, you know, get some fun with it.
So it's another good way to proliferate the brand outside.
It's the one that we have been going a little bit harder these last few weeks, months, you know. And it's amazing to see. It's just a lot of fun,
and it gives you also the opportunity to work with these other projects and amazing people to,
you know, put out some content as well for your brand. So if you got, you know, down there in the
crowd, if people have projects or are creating any kind of brand that allows them to put characters in the games it's
a very good way to do it 100 that's why i call it a like thor's hammer loki's gonna get me for that
but it's a leveraging tool that helps us to level up where we don't have to sit around and wait for
other uh like other other other instances of of price points and artistry taking time, those other things, it takes a lot of that out of the spectrum and puts us back into the race of content creation being available to everybody.
Kev, jump back in there and then we'll go Maha and Yacht.
And then we'll go Maha and Yacht.
Let me say it right.
Let me say it right.
Sorry, Kev, jump back in there.
Sorry, JKF, jump back in there.
Yeah, one thing I wanted to respond quick to DudeLift is, yeah, it makes a lot of sense, I think, to have an open model as well.
I think it's also really fun, right, to see what people come up with.
There's so many creative people on the planet um that's yeah that can
create stuff i think i wonder like at least i noticed a lot on our community is like every
time they create stuff they're constantly wondering like is it canon or not and i think
also one of the the things i'm trying to think a lot about is um with for example the builders
program that we have and the people creating the products,
especially when it's mainstream type of products
like the role-playing game,
like could actually be a product
that Final Boss will one day would release.
It's not something that like we as a team
are like personally very excited about
and are actively working on.
But since he is he is like
he spent the last 30 years like playing this he's always had the dream to create this uh thing and
he saw with final bossu that he has creative rights and the franchise has access to the franchise and
to the team like we're literally coaching him through it and trying to give our sense it makes
a lot of sense for him to try to make it so canon that at some point i will be like listen we're
going to push this everywhere and we're going to make it like almost a co-created thing between
the franchise and him rather than him on his own right but that could only happen if if it's like
mega canon because if if if we would put this out as this also comes from us like there's certain
uh yeah quality bars that need to check, etc.
But definitely, I agree.
There's a lot of room for UGC content that totally expands.
And obviously, we're very early in this journey that nobody knows our world rules yet.
But yeah, very interesting thing we're doing here, co-creating
with the communities.
I think that's important because that gives
the... I'm sorry, Doodle, jump back in there.
Well, no, and I was about to say,
it's different for every community, you know what I mean?
Burnt Toast, you mentioned the Bosa universe
is very serious and there's a lot of rules.
Doodle's artwork is irreverent.
Not in the same way that Bored Apes is irreverent,
but Doodle's artwork has always gone where it's in the same way that like Bored Apes is irreverent, but like Doodle's artwork has always gone
where it's not supposed to be.
It's gone on graffiti.
It's gone on NFTs.
It's gone on AI.
Like, and even Burnto's art style is playful cynicism.
The whole thing is a joke.
You know, everything is a pun.
Everything has deeper meaning.
And I will say that we kind of did try that
as a brand with our community.
And it just didn't work with our community specifically.
It ended up being really restrictive.
The community ended up looking to the brand probably too much and saying, hey, when are
you guys going to do this?
When can I do this?
I'm like, stop asking for permission.
Just make something, right?
And so I think we decided to loosen the reins.
And that was the right, I think the right call for our particular community.
But it's different for everybody. So yeah there's so many approaches and i think that we're all in the arena
together which is awesome yeah and ai is so expansive that the verticals are high nobody i
think knows at this point where it's gonna go but i saw a funky jump on stage looks like funky's got
one of the quirky's uh ecosystem so we're gonna let funky jump in there
and then we're gonna get um maha and uh yacht back on the hot seat funky jump in there
loki proof matt good space a question for the guys building with ai uh doodle a dude probably
for you as well um the question i have is i like the idea of throwing AI to the community and saying,
hey, build the shit out of this, right?
Because it, it, it, uh, builds exposure, multiplies your reach, et cetera, et cetera.
But what are we doing for the AI potential burnout, the overreach, um, drift, et cetera,
things that don't match with the brand?
How are you guys working to protect against that
and is there any you know safeguards are you going to put any limits because at some point
uh i think jed down there in the listeners was there a second ago i'd mentioned i think humans
are going to kind of get sick of ai and kind of go back to the actual human generated stuff
so i'm wondering if we're thinking about that
and what the plans are for when it gets to that point.
I mean, I think it's hard to necessarily plan for, oh, hey, humans are going to get tired of AI and
they're going to go back towards craft. If humans get tired of computation and the direction that
we're kind of accelerating as a culture, then I think a lot of industries are going to have some questions to answer.
But at the same time, like, one, this isn't the only product we're building.
We just teased a partnership with a company called Womp.
I won't say too much about what that looks like, but if you look at their website, you can start to piece together where that might end up.
You know, something that you could touch, something you could feel, something that is real.
So maybe that does kind of mitigate that potential or it's kind of a risk mitigation thing like you're talking about.
As far as the drift goes, if I'm understanding your question correctly, like we do have control over the model.
So we choose which outputs we'd call maybe like a hero output, go back into the retraining of maybe the next version of the model, XYZ.
So not super concerned about too many generations getting created.
I think that's, like I think Loki said, probably a good problem to have.
But hopefully that answered your question.
Just a follow-up then,
what are you going to do about the people that aren't using your model then?
You mean like in the world?
Yeah, in the world.
I don't even understand that comment.
Like, I mean, try to market to them.
We're going to try to get them to use it.
I don't know.
If they're attracted to it,
we'll try to create a market for them
and make it interesting and attractive
and create the easiest first-time user experience and optimize for them.
Yes, some sort of funnel definitely would be attractive. But I mean, you got if you don't
love the doodles that that little dude, like somebody just sat there, you lay back on the
on the table, on the table, you lay back on the couch and your your uh your your your session
just started doodling on the thing and they came up with this doodle piece right here you know your
therapist started doodling and they came up with this right here if you don't love that art man
it's just it just it pulls you it's it tugs on your heartstrings i love it i'm i'm probably
speaking too much about it but definitely i love doodles art
but i saw uh poppy's hand come up so i know poppy has got a take for that and then yacht
in my high let's go poppy i think if he's still here maybe he was trying to tell us that he was
getting ready to drop because i don't see him on the stage so we'll go to yacht in my high if poppy
comes back up we'll let him jump back in there.
Yeah, thanks for having me, guys.
It's an interesting one.
I think it is still extremely new to most people.
It's one of those that it's a finding balance and making sure that you have that alignment.
And it definitely, definitely does differ from community to community, not just from the people that maybe you've attracted,
but also to those that you potentially want to bring in
or are trying to bring in
to have that sort of better product market fit
to align even more holders and expand that community.
So for us at Fogs it's uh it's one where
it's not an easy character to use AI with like it is it a bear is it uh you know some sort of
cappy any other animal that it can come up with like it's a gopher it's a cartoon gopher so
shit's hard to actually put into ai and come up with a
really solid sort of representation uh unless we have like some really rigorous training on it um
which we're just not at yet so for like for our stuff it's very human-centric um i know kevin
mentioned like the storylines and keeping stuff within their ecosystem with canon stuff
like that like we have our own little bits of lore and story within fogs like we've recently
introduced uh our first couple like two of our main 12 characters uh with hero and flora you
know there are f-u-g-g-i-n-g they're our little fuggers they're together um so yeah they're
currently racking up like hundreds of thousands if not millions of views on our socials now as
couples content is really doing solidly well um but we don't restrict anyone in our community
from doing what they want to do and it's that same approach that um
uh i heard someone say just a few minutes ago actually we just want you to go and create like
go and make stuff whether you hand draw it whether you use ai anything like that help us proliferate
like we all can grow together rather than you having to sort of ask us this and this and it was something that we like
i personally learned early on like because this is my creation i was working on it for a couple
years before mint i kind of got a little bit too over protective which is like oh maybe you shouldn't
do this like try tweaking this but you can't i learned say, you know, it's not going to happen.
I'd rather people go and create what they truly love
with their own IPs.
As long as it's not like, you know, illegal
or really nefarious and kind of fucking weird,
then that's fine.
You know, they just have fun with it.
Essentially, if it's not harmful to the brand,
it's fine, right? So when we go down this route now of
like helping people out in the community there's one guy recently played I he built this whole like
AI experience where it was almost like a puzzle escape room and there was like 10 to 12 different levels and he said like can you test it what do
you think and um honestly incredible job and it was hard as fuck as well like it took me a while
he had me punching walls with this shit and then i said you know what he asked me so i said yes
it will incentivize this because i want people to play it because he can then build on it so you know if you complete it you could win a fog stuff like that and keeps that sort of interesting
flywheel the gamification the activity going within the ecosystem but also incentivizes people
like pleb to just have free reign and have fun and learn along the way. Like myself and the team are always open. We're always trying to
give feedback and just be open about how they can improve if they want that feedback.
And that helps them create what they want to create without being shackled in some sense.
And even though Fogs as a core brand, everything is is handmade like from the new website that's coming out
from the new collectors hub the art the gifts the animations with our studio we've got some
hugely talented people that have worked with some of the biggest companies in the world
and ai will not replace these people as it stands um so that's where the community comes in that's where the help for that proliferation
comes in and it's a huge huge effort to actually get to that point where it's good enough and to
be honest i didn't know much about the doodles product the doodles ai product until literally
this space and if it's as good as some of these images that you've been showing,
like, Jesus, man, GG, hell of a hell of a product. Like, really, that's actually exciting,
because I know we get down this, this whole sort of route of calling all AI just slop. But there
is a big difference between slop and genuine effort that someone's put into curating
a product using AI and that is clearly the difference if it is up to that level so there's
lots of exciting stuff and yeah like I said it is a balance Fogs isn't purely handmade community
uses AI I use AI in the background background help me with organization written work anything like
that even strategic pointers but what we see as an output that's our balance the creative output
is our human element it helps us to basically get that feedback from everyone and create a more
resonant experience that people will truly love and know that love and care has been put into
it for them rather than just the quicker prompts that we sometimes see but yeah it's very very
different and uh gg to everyone that's utilizing it well to be honest because there's some really
really awesome stuff coming out lately yeah and that's so that segues over to our reset in the room.
If you like what you're hearing, like Yacht just said, he just he didn't know about it until
literally until his space. This is where we have those conversations. This is what this is the
ground. This is the ground floor for NFTs, for all things that happened in the NFT world that week
and beyond, you know, into infinity and beyond as well. Cause NFTs are, yeah, I missed that one.
I tried to throw you the alley-oop, man.
Inevitable.
But it does, it does help to point to, I know, right?
So you can tune those language models.
And so to Doodle's point, you know,
they can actually restrict what comes
out of that uh out of that out of their machine because you can tune those language models to
restrict it to only such and such as the content in order to stay on brand so it's uh it's definitely
a tool and macaveli i saw your hand come up so over to you good sir no man just to his point by
the way guys can i get early access
like right now like get me in the dms um but uh i swear to god i'll put by some content you have
no idea like i want to see what every single of my nfts provide you know what i mean like it
it just goes to that sense can you guys still hear me yeah we got a clear good sir loud and clear good
sir that's i think that's what all the hearts in the hundreds were up for from you.
I really am excited about this.
It's iconic art.
It's proliferation of the brand.
Every brand in this ecosystem that is top tier has done it differently.
It doesn't matter if it's Suzuki, Port Ape Got Club.
Doodles are no different.
From across the board to partnering with some of the biggest celebrities in music and name, and then some of the top brands you know from across the board to partnering with some
of the biggest celebrities in music and name and then some of the top brands all the way across
the board like like you've seen all these brands affect pop culture and infiltrate in different
manners and and i i i'm just super excited about this because this is that next step of proliferation
because it makes it undeniable and and some of the stuff that we've seen come out
of this ai generator and and listen i'm i'm not like oh yeah it's just this being trained off
this one particular artist i don't know i'm just i'm fucking thrilled i really am i'm super excited
i can't wait for this thing to launch awesome sauce and maha i know we told you you was up next
but parky's hand came up and because he's doodles and this that's our subject right now, we'll let him jump back in.
Then we'll go to more ha ha and back over to Funky.
Dude, I love how you're pronouncing his name, dude.
I'm like laughing every time and I'm having to like unmute a split second later.
So I'll crack up while I talk. I'll be I'll be brief then.
But no, to that point, actually, we're actually in a super privileged position with that as well.
Just due to the fact of your point about training the actual model.
You know, we everyone knows we released Doloresville and the Doodleverse, which is a 24 minute short film.
And so you got to imagine if it's going at, what, 24 frames a second, 30 frames a second in that film.
There's millions upon millions of images in that film specifically to train the model off of on top of like all the other existing art that's just been in the Doodles archive and on top of just like BT's save drive, right?
And so that was one of the things that we were definitely in like a fortunate position with and able to be a little bit ahead of the curve in that sense.
And then also to the point about like someone brought up slop and kind of AI being this enigma earlier and just something that BT says quite often is that a candy or art is the candy coat that makes tech less terrifying.
And so.
Sound like you turned it into a robot.
All right.
I'll keep it brief.
But art is the candy coat that makes textless terrifying,
makes it approachable, makes it palatable to people. And so we firmly believe that through
Doodles AI, it can change people's opinions and thoughts on storytelling, storytelling through AI
and their ability to create. Because for a long time, the barrier between creation was how good
you can put a pencil to paper. It was how good you can physically do this thing when in your mind and
everyone has stories that they tell and everyone has you know thought experiments
that they run that they can't ever really like get out all the way and so
through through tooling like this it democratizes storytelling it lets people
tell stories that have been trapped in their mind for however long and get it
out through a beautiful IP, which is Doodles.
So just wanted to make a point to that and bounce on that real quick.
Talk about that.
Doodles is a beautiful IP.
Indeed.
Over to Muhu.
And then Funky and Lord Eco.
GM, guys.
So I love this whole saturation conversation.
So I love this whole saturation conversation.
And I'll get into what we're kind of thinking and doing, too, for our brand.
But I think the other part that's going to occur here is it's going to make burnt toast more significant as he does his own work.
So yes, this may feel saturated for the brand at some point.
And there may be people who feel like, oh, this isn't my thing to watch the AI version.
But then when this contrast of his human-made work is put out there, I think there will be something very special about it.
Because you'll want to see how he views the brand,
how, like any artist too.
This isn't, I think I'm not trying to speak
for just burnt toast, but I'm saying like this is,
I think any artist out there is gonna say
this is my work in comparison
to like maybe a model they're building or something.
So there will be saturation,
but the alternative is doing nothing
and letting your brand fall by the wayside,
not having competitive edge as well.
So I think, you know,
watching doodles right now is we've talked a lot about them and I've watched obviously what Austin and Nuko have done too. And so these, I think are the brands that are kind of leading this way right
now. And if, if someone that has guarded their IP so well for what seems like decades now is
interested in doing this, I think it's for a very significant reason. It's not just to
make a quick buck or something. So, uh, interested what you guys are doing pocky and dude list i don't think we've
had enough like interaction side by side and so one of these days we'll have to all like link
sometime but you guys are like literally doing the right thing for what this should be because
a year ago as i was running an art studio i was sickened by watching, you know, ChatGPT basically just destroy an IP.
You know, I didn't think it was right that basically we watched a very, very curated IP be like,
hey, let me just take this and run with it.
And then I'm watching this also like Kill Art Art Studio and watching artists suffer trying to find commission work
because people are leaning to AI.
And it felt very like dystopian.
But now that I see artists like being able to bolster their IP and their artwork
through it, it does change the perspective of what this should be. And it's more about
responsibility and morals. You know, it's, that's kind of why I think AI had like this big resistant
push in the first two is because people were like, this doesn't feel right that I'm watching
Studio Ghibli, Lord of the Rings until I only took like six hours to make this. Like it doesn't feel
like there's soul in it. So that's kind of where that is. And that's also like why we've talked about it internally too, is we are,
you know, Doodle's in a different position, as they said, they have a lot of like rapport.
They've already been here. You know, we know their brand, Nibbles and Frankie's, we're still
finding our way very much so. You know, Ford is still very young as an artist and compared to like
what BT has done or some of these other artists have done. And so in that, the allowance of UGC is a little bit more relaxed for us right now. But we know as
the brand grows and as we want it to actually have an identity, we will have to refine that.
And that does come in the form of our own AI model and making sure that it is as close as we can to
Ford style, which is like this neo rubber hose, which is becoming more identifiable. I think people
are looking around and going, I can see Ford's style.
Like I see one of his drawings and it looks like his PFPs.
And so as that becomes more prevalent,
so does the need for like brand retention.
And so like you guys already said,
there's no right answer to this.
You know, Doodles has the right answer for them.
And I think we can feel that it's the right answer
for them right now because of the way it looks.
And this will come in different shapes and forms
for each brand.
And maybe it doesn't. Maybe your brand for one of these founders or builders
is listening and maybe you don't need it. You may have to suffer the plight of not having enough
content fast enough, but you may also in five or 10 years get the, hey, I never touched AI and look
how special my human-made brand is. So, yeah. Absolutely.
Oh, sorry, Matt, go ahead.
Well, I was going to say,
do you guys remember when Pingu did this?
Pingu did this about,
I would say it's been about a year,
a little over a year.
They did the,
where you could go into the Discord if you had a certain amount of Pingu
and you could use the Pingu generator
and, you know, create some UGC
based off whatever's been posted on the timeline
i i think like to see that go from there and like see where we're going with doodles right now and
like you know have it trained off the specific style i don't know man i see the evolution of
the game right here in front of us i think you have a great point too maha i think when maha said
neo rubber hose it just made it all apparent for me that his voice sounds just like the name
should be
and definitely on brand
with his PFP
so them guys
you gotta say it like this
Maha
right
right
that's what his voice
sounds like
exactly
so definitely on brand
man we gotta go to
Funky
Lord Eco
oh sorry
go ahead
because I
yeah let's close
this
doodle topic
I saw
an older coming up on stage.
So Ronan Diaz, I want to give him
the stage. Hey, welcome.
Yo, guys. Thank you for
having me on stage here.
Yeah, no.
I'm just
very curious about what's
happening right now in general when we're talking about AI.
And I think AI has been very revolutionary these couple of years.
Even if AI has been there for a while now, it's very, how do you call it, like revolutionary what has been going on.
I mean, the impact has been both ways.
It has been taken very negativity and it has been a very positive impact in it.
So AI has been helped, I mean, to facilitate a lot in general, even in the healthcare.
And right now, seeing a lot of this going on is just, man, it's crazy.
So I'm very happy for Doodles to bring this up, especially in the web tree,
where you can actually do these things. And I really can't see, you know, about what's coming up.
Hey, thanks, Ronit.
Quick question.
Are you on OG order or have you been onboarded by the Doopies?
On Doodlesodles I mean sorry come again I was that a question for me or sorry yeah that was for you I mean are you on OG older or
have you been on boarded by by the dupies the the recent the recent
collection oh no I'm I'm older in the Dupies.
Yeah, I'm trying to, I'm saving right now to get an OG, but yeah.
So you're a new older, you just recently joined the Duels community?
Yeah, I enjoyed it, I don't know, like maybe two months ago or something like that.
That's cool, that's cool. Yeah. I enjoy like, I don't know, like maybe two months ago or something like that.
That's cool. That's cool.
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
Something, something that I really, you know,
wanted to point it out here is I have,
I've been, I'm not an artist.
I'm not a technician or anything like that.
I'm just, you know, just having fun in the Web3.
And I have been following up the eye, you know, during all these three latest years.
And I really love, you know, the development that has been bringing up, especially here in the Web3.
development that has been
bringing up, especially here in the
Web3.
So I just like, you know, just to editing a lot,
find
new ways, you know, to create
I don't know, like prompts or
generations
of image and all this stuff.
And I really
enjoy, you know, the way how these, you know,
ShadkyBD, Gemini, for
example, all the time has been a development that has been, you know, the way how these, you know, ShadkyBD, Gemini, for example, all the time has been a development that has been, you know, upgrading all the time.
Seeing Doodles in the, I don't know if you guys have been following up.
about ai for a very long time uh which now uh you know ai is all about um machine learning right
so the development in general when it's about ai is man it's not easy to build you know to really
get a proper 100 of results with it which i which I see this in the Doodles AI.
And, ah, man, it's crazy, bro.
It's crazy.
I did want to just kind of cut in
and give a quick shout-out to Ronan.
Any of y'all would be lucky to have them
in your communities if you look at their page
and how much they create with the brand.
Just, yeah, appreciate you being a part of our community.
Oh, thank you, guys.
Really appreciate it.
There you go.
There you go.
So who was next?
Alpha?
Forgot.
Lord Ico, I guess.
It was funky, but I don't know if he's on the speakers
or if he's down there already.
If not, I'll go.
Go ahead, Iko. I'll chime in when you go after you.
Okay, nice. Appreciate you, Funky.
Now, I just wanted to add something for people to think about a little bit as well
with this tool that Toodles is pretty much releasing to the community.
It's also the cost for our communities to build stuff, right?
We are always trying to tell people, you know, you have access to the IP,
go and build something new with the IP.
But oftentimes, you know, creating something with your NFTs,
it will cost you money, right?
Either you need to hire an artist to work with you
and you have to pay the artist or you need to utilize AI tools,
but most of them, you know, requires you to pay a subscription to use it to the AI tools, but most of them requires you to pay subscription
to use it to the full potential, right?
So when a project like Doodles comes out
with their own tools, providing them to their community
to make utilization of their own stuff,
it also is something super cool to be honest,
because your community is not now having to spend money
to utilize their IP and create stuff. So that's the other point i wanted to have you
know it's the cost to utilize uh ip for the community uh which uh with this kind of you know
tools um now becomes i don't know if it's going to have any cost or not i'm just speculating here
myself but i doubt that doodles will charge the community anything to utilize it um so you know it's something great something great to be honest
touche uh loki i couldn't get to the to back to the mic button the mute button so sorry about that
um funky and then jishaka yeah great great points guys and i appreciate you guys helping me reframe
my mindset on some of my questions uh just's just a matter of thinking through things. And dude, no shade. I was just trying to think through future problems with what's coming down the pipeline with AI. a space and getting conviction because then you go to the floor and you go which one of these can i afford uh so now i'm looking at doodles uh and somebody's gonna be pissed at me later if i buy
one of these but man there's one on the way you pull the trigger on dude you guys are crazy uh
but i'll step down or duty convo duty duty That's what this space is all about, man.
It's all about learning the things that you need to hear in case you are interested in
a collection or a community.
Here's where you're going to hear the backstories.
Here's where you're going to hear the important stuff.
Here's where you're going to hear the stuff that you need to know to enforce your conviction
or to say, you know what?
I'm not screwing with them, guys.
This is what this space is. Jash jump on in there man yeah hey um gmgm
so i i just wanted to say because i run a ai blog right it's called ai solver and um launching
And launching an AI service so closely tied to the Doodle brand at a time where negative public sentiment for AI has never been higher.
I think in the U.S. it's like over 60 percent due to the massive job layoffs.
You're talking hundreds of thousands of people losing their jobs to AI.
Aren't you guys concerned that, you know, this is going to drive the value of your IP to zero?
Dude, it's a good point.
You should look at the comments on our Instagram for our most recent AI posts.
And you're right that most of the world feels similarly about AI.
Now, am I particularly concerned that broader job layoffs and sentiment towards AI have a negative effect on our particular IP?
I'm like, maybe as a part of a broader trend, but not in a huge way.
But from the conversations that I've been having with different brands, like I was saying earlier in the space, and I don't want to use this term like brand safe.
But for other people, including our AI partners who are looking to promote their AI products, this is the ultimate play for them.
It's a notable artist who's willing to lean in and democratize his work.
And that is rare because, like you said, the sentiment is so bad around AI.
And so, granted, like, and like Funky was saying earlier, it's like, yeah, if the entire world revolts against AI and unplugs all the data centers and fucking nukes Skynet,
you know, then like, yeah, we've got some broader problems. But I think in the mid to long term,
we're very excited about the future. Yeah, I was also going to say that, you know,
there is two different ways to use AI and the revolution seems mostly to be against the mega corporate AI is like
using Gemini or using chat GPT. But I have a friend and he's like a super geek. And he basically
cloned the Chinese AI DeepSeek, runs it locally, trained it himself, has his own instance, his own setup.
So this is using it a different way.
I mean, I know that projects in our space are struggling to find out.
My project, we're in the gaming industry and the gamers are so anti-AI.
Like if you do anything at all, it's going to nuke your project.
So just very curious to see how it pans out because there must be a way to use it where it doesn't create that negative sentiment.
All right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Or sorry.
Go ahead.
No, no, no.
Go off.
Go off.
Yeah.
Oh, I was just going to quickly note.
Like I, I definitely hear you about that man and i think that like to to lift's point earlier i think that was a little bit of kind of the uneasy feeling that uh people had around like kind of that whole studio ghibli moment um but where i do think it does differentiate in the way i actually think that uh
bt will kind of be a very very ahead of the curve in this regard is that due to the fact that is
trained off of his own style right i think I think that like, that is something that's very important to note to where, um, I think it's totally different if
there is some, to your point, Google taking an amalgamation of doodles content, and then all
of a sudden being able to crop that out, that's not super sick, right? Like I would imagine Scott
would not feel incredibly happy about that. Right. But then from there, the ability to,
to willingly say like, you know what, we have this
community we've been building on the edge of technology since 2021. People told us artists
not to do NFTs. We went and launched an NFT collection. We dropped a short film. We dropped
music videos with Lil Wayne, some of the biggest artists in the world, and continuing to kind of
swim upstream. Right. And so I think that when the artist is opting in and kind of, again, like we've
said a few times now, democratizing their art style willingly and putting that out for that community that they've been growing
to strengthen that and putting the pen in their hand, per se,
I think is a very, very powerful narrative.
And once that is understood and we do our jobs of speaking to that
and putting BT in a position to speak to that as well,
I think is something that will resonate with a lot of people
and will kind of shake down some of those anti-AI positions
that people have.
Because I feel like most of the issues lie within those reasonings.
And when you say this is your own AI,
does that mean you're running your own servers,
you're training it yourself, it's your own model,
your own tech, your own everything?
Or you're not picking back on someone else.
Yeah, it's a trained Laura on all of our work.
And then we actually use some notable open source software.
I won't say publicly who they are because we're going to put out some case studies with
them because it's a really interesting product for them and they want to highlight it.
So we're actually building on open source tech and leveraging the open source community.
And we really feel like a lot of people are going to rally behind it.
Yeah, that makes a difference cool all right guys so we have reached the top of the hour and what we want to do is we want to definitely make sure
we're respectful for loki's time but we're going to go to uh run through the hands i'm good i'm
good i'm good oh okay okay i wanted to continue on this like very good point from from just shaka
I want to continue on this. Very good point from Joshaka.
Good point.
So, Doodly said, you gotta see all the comments on Instagram.
So I went to check and that's insane. I wasn't expecting it.
Especially because I live here on Twitter and we don't have that kind of rejection.
And oh my god, guys. There a even bertos trying to explain this is not a tough
we train ourselves we have our stuff but everybody's like uh are you there this is a pointing
that said damn dude we look up to you and unfollow unfollow it's a sad day, no, I unfollow you, blah blah blah. Wow.
I'm really, really surprised that maybe I don't open Instagram enough.
But yeah, I mean, for every new tech, there's always a rejection.
And people that comment negatively usually are not the majority.
So this applies for literally everything.
There may be a good point people will forget to hate on nfts so
we are safe on the on the air everybody forget the hate for nfts and now ai for a couple of years
is the new public enemy number one so there you go we appreciate you for deflecting the shield i
mean you know deflecting everything off of us is the shield.
These guys are in the front, Thor themselves.
I saw Cheezus, Bosu, Kev, and Yacht's hands go up.
So let's go Cheezus, Bosu, and Yacht.
All right.
So I'm off my microphone because I'm folding. You actually sound decent right now.
Oh, whatever. Do I? Yeah, you don't actually sound decent right now. Oh, whatever.
Yeah, you don't sound like God right now.
Yeah, for the first time ever, you sound like a regular human being, man.
Welcome to the stage, Jesus.
Well, somebody had just talked about if this was going to hurt the Doodles brand
and affect it in any negative way.
I see the argument with everybody mad that AI is about to take their job
that they barely did.
They do their jobs.
Yeah, they just sat in a cubicle and fucking hit a spreadsheet.
So sorry.
And drew doodles pictures.
Yeah, Lowe's is hiring.
Go either stand out front or get a job inside.
But my point is, if doodles would have had this when they did the McDonald's collab, and every person that got one of those cups was able to scan a QR code that took them straight to this interface, like, this is opening the doors for Doodles IP for all these other future partners.
You got to think, they partnered with some of the biggest Web2 IP brands, like, in the world.
We use this stuff daily.
And, you know,
they partnered with culture.
I think everybody they partnered with
was culture,
to be honest with you.
Yeah.
So if there is a round two in the making
and there is another,
a bigger McDonald's thing in the future,
this is a tool not only
that can incorporate McDonald's, you know,
IP or characters or whatever into some version of this limited edition release. But guess what?
Every consumer that goes to McDonald's would then be able to go into this AI, create, take their
take their picture, put it in there, put it on their Facebook, put it on their Insta,
picture, put it in there, put it on their Facebook, put it on their Insta, whatever they want.
whatever they want. And it brings that many more people into Web3. And I think what they're doing
is really, really dope. So yeah, you got to look at it beyond, you know, what we perceive things
as in Web3 is like, you know, how is this, how is this going to, you know, raise the floor price of doodles?
How is this going to raise the price of the token?
You know, it all works and flows back together.
And if the team is still constantly shipping, I think people will find the value there.
And it seems as they are.
Good take.
Boso jump in there.
Yacht, and then back to Jashaka.
Yeah, this is very interesting. I'm thinking a lot about this as well
on Instagram. We're going to get a ton of messages of people saying all the time like, oh we're so
happy you guys are not using AI yet. Right, and we're definitely a team that's very open to it,
even though we're not using it on art and animation yet. Ideally ideally yeah like if we can you know create a lot faster like we'll
definitely use it um but i think we're we're gonna go through a weird period of time these next couple
of years where we're kind of like the whole world is just being threatened by ai like all of the
jobs so there's automatically such a big resistance but we have seen this in any industry.
Like there's this, in the Netherlands,
there's this famous video when the mobile phone came out
that they were interviewing people on the street
and they were like, hey, are you going to use it?
And people were like, are you crazy?
Do you ever think I will walk around
with a phone in my pocket?
People can just call me when I come home.
Why would I ever do that?
Like they're insane.
And you can just call me at any time.
Like there was so much resistance. When art went from paper form to
digital, like the whole world hated that. Like, everybody was shitting on that. You're not an
artist. If you're drawing digital, you should draw on paper. Like, you're fake, right, etc. So
it always has been there. And I just generally think that this is the biggest one
because the whole world is generally threatened.
I think people have no idea what's about to come.
I think everybody's underestimating it
and everybody can feel it.
And there's probably a lot of underlying fear.
And I think that people in general
are just not good for themselves as well. Even though
people know it, they're not taking action on it. And I think humans are like this species that
don't do things that are in their best interest. So even if this app is the best thing ever for
them, it's how they perceive it in their mind. I used to talk with restaurant owners or dentists where I would advertise and literally change their lives.
I would generate a shit ton of money for them and they would finally achieve their clinic of their dreams.
And still there's so much resistance towards taking an action step.
People in general are not great at making the right decisions for themselves until they have seen enough proof that changes their minds.
And that's the same for NFTs.
I think the first iterations of NFTs with all the scams that were there
and all the news that came out kind of placed this in their mind
until there's enough proof the other way around.
And I think with AI, it's going to be the same.
There's so much slop.
And I get crazy with all these videos on X all the time. way around and i think with ai is going to be saying there's so much slop and you know i get
crazy with all these videos on on on x all the time i have to constantly go to the comments i
see grok is this real and then kind of has to verify stuff like you like it's it's very annoying
at the same time right but um i think over time this this is going to shift people have to adapt
it's just like as a brand like when do you take that leap right in
10 years from now people say man doodles like you guys were way ahead of the curve like now we get
it right and then and then you're recognized for it um but i guess that's part of the the innovation
you know people people misunderstand this for a while it is that's a part of the landscape and
you got to think about it at the right here we're at the intersection of Web3 and Silicon Valley. And you got actors who are actual film stars who've made their living off of their film career. Matthew McConaughey. These guys, they're doing town halls discussing how is AI going to affect us? Because this thing has got a high lift on it and it's a steep hill it's a steep incline and
i think if we don't at least have the conversation and employ where it's going
it's going it'll it'll blindside us at some you know at some point um the next i think the next
speaker was yacht and then joshaka and then ronnie. Yeah, interesting one. I think AI is definitely underestimated,
but underestimated in more than just of how good it can be. Also, potentially how destructive it
can be just for normal people. Like we've already seen AI blow up in so many ways across corporate
landscapes that people are losing their jobs in the thousands there's gonna be
a lot of backlash from that a lot of people that will hold ai as uh you know the reason that they're
having maybe struggles in real life or anything like that you know um we can call it innovation
in a lot of other areas too you know i mean look at, right? We all get called degenerates because we live in basements,
we're unemployed, but maybe we're just ahead of the curve because thanks to AI, a lot more people
are about to live in basements and be unemployed. Kind of crazy when you think about it. So there's
so many different use cases for how you can spin a narrative onto AI and say, you know, it's good for
this, it's bad for this, that it all comes down to alignment. You know, if it works for your business,
if it works for your community and your audience, then good. And there's a really strong, important
point, I think someone brought up about the comments on Instagram. I haven't dared to put any sort of AI mention across our socials on the
web2 side of things simply because of how many bad comments I see on AI videos that other people,
other projects, other accounts, should I say, put out across these web2 socials. But again,
say put out across these web two socials but again it's it's a flip of a coin you know some
of these people sure they might just be hating they might be bitter if you know if they are one
of these people affected or they know people affected by certain layoffs but then you've got
to look at it from the other side too you know if you're getting DMs and comments from people that are seeing you introduce AI content
and they are worried, it's genuinely because they might actually also care the most.
And it's worth just a conversation. It's worth to hear their viewpoint, to understand why this feeling comes up.
And that helps, I think, curate that audience, that community, and those people that you've got with you currently,
but also how you can market and attract new people too.
So, yeah, it's a flip of a coin.
You've got to take a gamble.
I think we can't tell what's going to happen next year,
let alone in 10 years from now.
It might be the most mainstream normal thing to have an AI agent
and have something do the work for you,
or it might completely backlash.
We don't have a clue.
But, you know, I think we're all here raiding it now
because it is the meta and it is something that we all want to learn
at least a little bit more about.
Certainly, certainly.
Matt, let Dudeliff respond to that and then you jump in there.
Yeah, no, you were talking about the Instagram thing again.
It made me think about our head motion designer, Alfie Motion, recently had some videos go viral on Instagram.
So definitely check him out as well.
And it was like same energy to the comment section.
Once again, this is how I kind of became much more aware of the depth of the ire towards it was.
And it's cool.
He has this British accent.
And it's supposed to be an informational video.
He essentially says he's like, AI didn't kill motion design.
It just replaced the rendering engine.
But he's like, AI didn't kill motion design.
It just replaced the rendering.
You know, it's all cool and British.
And it's a really fun video.
It's visually enticing, whatever.
And the thing that you made me think about is,
you know, you may be familiar with the kind of adoption,
like diffusion of innovations, kind of adoption curves.
And so for everybody who is, you who is just instantly triggered and they send,
there's a great gif on Instagram. It's honestly entertaining.
It's some guy sitting on a chair of beer cases and it's like,
your AI slot bores me. It's a banger.
But for everyone who replies that, there's another guy.
Every few comments, someone's like, oh, hey, I hadn't thought about it like this.
This is really interesting. This sped up my workflow like and those same people they may go on to be the next
casey neistat right like when digital photography came out and everyone was like oh it's not film
or whatever like but then the early adopters became the casey neistats the mkbhds like
and so i don't know i feel like there's a responsibility to help kind of democratize
those tools and workflows as well and so we're definitely trying our best.
Real quick before it moves on.
I just got a second.
Alpha Emotion stuff is crazy good.
Like best tutorials you're going to find on Instagram for AI.
100%.
Thanks, man.
Yo, I wanted to add to this.
The adverse of this is like one of the things that I've been doing working with other games and the other side and stuff is we've been onboarding IP and stuff like that to the other side.
We met with one of the top three IP companies.
That's all I'll say.
And we had chose maybe a lesser known IP that we want to bring to life and tell some stories with and stuff.
And we got a sign off essentially.
But they said before we could start doing anything, you know, and do anything.
We had to sign a contract that says we have to use real artists, no AI, not in marketing, not in completion of the art, not any of that.
So the industry is actually taking precautions, you know, in from like versus like coming to Web3 and stuff like that, that if they do participate, like they want to make sure we're using real artists, all of that.
So like, well, there's this ad verse of like, Oh,
all this AI and stuff like that. Like, like the, the, the comic book industry,
the film industry, all of these other things, there's,
there is like this cohort of individuals who are like leaning into this real people, real product created by humans for humans situation.
And I think that that's going to be like an era that's rushed in,
like we're not rushed in, but like, you know, brought to the front.
And you're going to have two sides of the coin.
You know what I'm saying?
And the human made art might just become worth a little bit more.
You know what I mean?
So on and so forth.
But yeah, like before we like proceed or anything like that,
like we have to sign that contract if we want to bring that IP to life or tell any stories we could.
That's so wild.
Guardrails are a part of it, right?
But that's so wild.
And I get it.
And I get there's SAG and there's all these unions, whatever.
And that makes sense.
We want to protect jobs.
And there's going to be ebbs and flows to that.
But think about just replace it with anything else and think about how crazy that is imagine
you go to hire a wedding photographer and you go hey wedding photographer i love your work
you're amazing i want exactly what you produce and then you go great okay before you send this
contract i actually i know you use canon but i really would prefer you use a sony fx3
and you can't actually use uh premiere i want you to use Final Cut Pro and like
you would never do that.
Like, that is...
They looked at us and they saw
what we did and they liked everything they did and they're like
oh yeah, we think you guys would do something good
with this but the thing is, you know, we know
you use AI. Could you do this without
using AI?
I know, it's a weird question
and I think it represents the weird time that we're in. Like, it's a weird question and i think it represents the weird time
that we're in like it's a weird question it's a weird thing at the same time disney gives
sora open ai a billion dollars like it's a it's a weird thing in that case i'm just not having the
wedding photos because i'm gonna put in my my wife or fiance is gonna put in so many demands
that the wedding photographer is gonna say you, you know what? To hell with those guys.
You can film your wedding on the phone.
Jashaka, Ronnie Ray, and it looks like Iculus.
I don't know if I'm saying that right or not, but Iculus.
So, Jashaka and Ronnie Ray?
Yeah, so I think the good thing about crypto is that we give zero fucks, right?
We've always been the bad guys, right?
But Bitcoin went from zero to over 70k,
even if we crashed every now and then. I mean, with all the hate of the banks, massive hate,
massive anti-crypto BTC movements, right? But I think as a, I'm a certified blockchain architect,
and I do believe, and I see the Ethereum foundation moving in this way, if you can
integrate blockchain
blockchain tech with what you're doing it will help to bring some respect right because ai on
its own is seen as stealing by most people right stealing the work of artists and this taints it
but if you as an artist right give your your art um and say use my art then you're not stealing
right but if you can put this on the blockchain
in some way it it ties things back to your ip in the wild um so it's not really stealing you're
saying build on top of my stuff and maybe an example so my friend who built his own ai
he showed me the coolest thing he said dude give me a photo of your wife and i can take her and
recreate her almost fully 3d totally naked doing all kinds of crazy shit and i can take her and recreate her almost fully 3d totally naked doing all kinds
of crazy and i can send it to all your friends so i think this is the scary thing about ai right um
especially when you can spin your own right you can spin your own with no input output guards
but blockchain can help to to to tie back to the real ip the real source the real
content the real approvals and i do believe that um that this is is needed in a big way to help
legitimize content created you need to block your friend on uh every social app and because i wouldn't
call him a friend so no he's a friend i mean he was giving
me this as an example right that when you spin your own ai he's never thought of that before
when you spin your own ai there's no safety guards you can do anything and the the pre-trained models
are almost as good as running your own chat gpt just that it will do anything
you tell it to right so but blockchain can then say whether i gave this dude approval to do it or
not for instance right so um we need to use blockchain and help bring you know these things
together and protect your ip as well makes sense that's what that's what this show is about it's
about talking through all of those things a lot of stuff is literally born on these spaces like
somebody earlier when we first started was talking about he's gonna vibe code something he should be
done with it by now but no uh ronnie ray was up next and uh then i think iculus those are the hands
that we see so ronnie ray jump in there. The stage is yours.
Good morning, good evening, good afternoon. Hopefully you guys hear me okay.
Yes, sir. Sound loud and clear.
Perfect. Wow. A lot unpacked.
Where I'm coming from, I guess, with this, I mean, the way I look at it, AI as an artist, I mean, is very different from the fear narrative people keep repeating.
I keep hearing, especially the divide that we're talking about right now between this Web 2, Web 3 culture.
I mean, all these different labels, man.
I mean, I think the big thing is what the actual output is, right?
Is the story great?
Is the output of the visuals great? I mean, regardless of where that actually comes from,
is like, does that story and narrative and product and IP stand the test of time, right?
And I think the fear of losing employment, losing or just like measuring an output of something
based on how it was built. I get it coming from a studio
background. I understand the fear of that. I had it too when I first started. But I think
being able to leverage AI, especially from a small production studio, which we at Creep Crew
are. We're a pretty darn small team. I do all of the illustration, a bulk of the writing. I mean, we do have a pretty good team that's putting together
like a AI RPG build-run adventure game at present. But to be able to do that, to compete with
major studios is very difficult to do. And I think a lot of the fear base
comes from not having context and understanding of the capital that it takes to be able to build
something like that. And I think the beauty of AI specifically for smaller teams or even
a single creative is being able to compete or at least step into the arena and bring in that idea
and to be able to scale it and so that that story can get out. So I mean, for me specifically,
I think that AI is, this is going to sound totally elementary, but our friend in a lot of ways to help produce or help to develop story.
There's a lot of horrible uses that people leverage it.
But I mean, in terms of being dangerous, I mean, humanity is pretty destructive and dangerous, right?
So I don't think the AI is really that scary of a thing.
Wow, that was an
uncomfortable silence.
No, I was very comfortable with it.
I actually, I don't mind
a nice quiet moment. Let's have a
nice quiet moment for all the people who just
lost their jobs because Doodles AI is coming out on the 17th i don't think i mean it's all about yeah no for
sure i think it's just all about um pivoting right i mean look i i think that i can promise you like
one of my favorite film directors is David Lynch, you know,
rest in wherever he is right now. But I can promise you if he was still around,
he would be embracing AI. And I think most, and I can't speak for everyone, but I would think creatives have this desire to explore, to find new ways to convey their story and idea.
And whatever that medium is, I mean, when we had nothing, I mean, we would find sticks and stones
to like carbon to rock, right? So I think that we're always going to have and build and
find ways to, to storytell. I think that's what connects humanity is our ability to be able to
convey our ideas and messages. And sometimes those messages turn into like, you know,
like these monsters that consume things. And sometimes they bloom into these beautiful like uh you know
gardens of ideas yeah well the one of the uh one of the things that made it all make sense for me
i'm a techie anyway i'm just a nerd you know don't forget i am a uh a b-pop or whatever the name of
that k-pop gangster but i'm just a nerd at heart.
Right. But I heard it that what really made it make sense to me was somebody said, if you don't embrace AI, eventually you're going to work for somebody who did.
And it's just that's just like tech.
I mean, if if you didn't if you didn't embrace the web or the Internet and, you know, put your business, your web
two business on the internet, eventually you're going to work for somebody who did.
And I think that's just, you know, the growing pains of something new.
A lot of us sit in our ways.
We don't want to go, you know, we're just grumpy.
Yeah, I don't want it.
You're going to have to embrace it in some respect or some regard because it's already
around you.
It's in your phones.
It's in everything, every part of life. And so if you don't embrace it at some point and either harness it or be able
to, you know, to use it in some respect, then you're probably going to be left behind. And this
tech, this tech space, and most of us are here because we were, we embraced the web, we embraced
the new technology. Well, right now, this is the corner of Web3 and Silicon Valley.
And I think that's what that tech AI has spawned. And that's just my personal take. Loki didn't pay
me to say that, but definitely if you don't embrace it in some point, in some regard,
in some respect, it's probably going to come back to bite you in the ass. I think Icky was up next.
If I'm saying that right.
Yeah, that's right.
That was awesome.
There you go.
Just real quick.
I don't have anything that eloquent to say, though, as Ronnie did.
But I've been a doodles.
That was AI.
AI gave me that to say.
Sorry, bro.
Go ahead. I've been a doodles holder for a, that was AI. AI gave me that to say. Sorry, bro. Go ahead.
I've been a Doodles holder for a bit now and sort of traversed like the different eras and people and narratives and sort of projects.
So then I saw Doodles and Pocky up here, not to throw them on the spot, but I'm excited for Doodles AI coming up.
But what do you guys, when you have friends or family,
I don't really want to say, hey, what's your elevator pitch?
But what's the current narrative with Doodles AI launching?
I've gone through so many different areas with friends and family and why they should own a Doodles,
and it always sort of switches, right?
And change is good, so not sure if change is bad.
But with the new Doodles AI,
do you see that it's more integrated to actually be an OG holder?
And if someone came up to you and was like, hey, why would I buy a Doodles?
Is there a different narrative that you guys have come up internally to sort of say, hey, this is our new direction versus just something else we're sort of throwing up there to see if it hopefully sticks?
Yeah, I mean, what I've been telling my friends and family is, I think it comes with a recognition of where the NFT space is more broadly, right?
It's always kind of like, hey, you know how those NFTs have been going.
And they're like, ah, yeah, I'm like, yeah, yeah, okay.
I'm like, so check this out.
And so the thing for Doodles AI, for me, and I don't want to say it's a silver bullet, you know, because I'm sure to some degree, everything does feel like that. But there is a kind of shared opinion amongst the team and the
people have seen the product that like Doodles AI actually could be the flywheel product for
Doodles more broadly in the way that it is now just an image to image generator, but then it
becomes so much more. We're looking at it as a world builder, right? So if you have this tool
that can build worlds, right? I can go prompt to world, which is like game, story, whatever,
like that actually, potentially it is theoretical, but potentially makes all of the collectibles in
our ecosystem more in demand, right? In the way that we can come up with ways to plug in those,
like imagine, you know, someone mentioned brand plays can come up with ways to plug in those, like, imagine,
you know, someone mentioned brand plays earlier. This is all theoretical, you know, uh, just stuff we're talking about, but imagine, uh, a brand comes to us and they go, wow, the Doodles AI thing is so
sick. Like, how can we get in on that? Right. And we go, well, you can't really like influence
the model unless there was a way to influence maybe the prompt and say that you can token
gate the prompt by saying, Hey, put on that Adidas jacket for my character, that Adidas
jacket, which I own, which is my studio account, which is your Doodles account.
Then that asset becomes interesting.
It becomes in demand.
It makes it more meaningful.
And because I think that's the question that I've been thinking about a lot is how do we
make these, you know, aside from like cultural value,
you know, recognizability, proliferation, like how do we make these NFTs matter?
And so that to me is how I'm thinking about it.
I don't think that's a perfect answer or it captures everything, but it's how I'm thinking
about it.
Yeah, bro, there are no perfect answers, but this is where we talk through everything,
you know, and sometimes we get better ideas than what we had. Sometimes we have the business model idea, but this is where that space is. This is where that conversation is held.
It looks like Wes, Jashaka, and Honeybee. And Honeybee, I'm going to give you a footnote right now. You coming back up with your hand up, definitely said you, because I was going to send your ass an invoice because i saw you on the stage then you was gone no i'm just kidding
yeah west is shopping honeybee hey what's going on guys you know great conversation great space
shout out to loki mac proof it's been it's been a great listen um i dude lifts mentioned something
about sag and um and about the film industry i worked in the film industry for years and back in the day,
you know, CG and the green screens were like a huge thing. It was a huge,
something we're running into now. And balance was found, right? And I think that the same
implementation of AI, balance will be found once again. You know, I do believe that AI works with us, not for us.
I think that my art and AI will be, it'll be versus your art and AI paired together, you know,
and then same as employment. It'll be me as an employee and AI versus you as an employee and AI.
So I had a friend mention something to me the other day, and he explained it as a co-pilot.
And I do believe that, and I think that that's true.
So I think that's all I really have as far as thoughts at the moment.
But I appreciate you guys, appreciate the space, and thank you for letting me come up to see something.
Thanks for coming up, man.
The co-pilot thing is great.
I just explained it as Thor's hammer, and Loki's going to kill me in just a minute and fire me.
Jashaka, jump back in there before I get fired and then Honeybee.
Cool. So I was going to say, right, my two kids are teenagers. Right.
And they were very pro AI and I see them turning into very anti-AI. Right.
One's a musician. The other one's an artist. And as they're getting into their late teens, they're seeing the impact of AI on their education, on what they're learning feel like you know um they're they're gonna come
out of school and going to the apocalypse right so i'm a carpenter i know proof of of alpha he's
got a car shop right so where can an ai proof if the apocalypse comes right but um would love to
know how how doodles can try to reach generation z and help them feel like, you know, you're not part of the problem.
You can be part of the solution.
I mean, it feels like a broad question, but Pocky, go ahead.
Yeah, no, I mean, I think that to Lif's point, it's a bit of a broad question.
I think that that is kind of, it's a bit of a broad question.
I think that that is kind of the million dollar question, right?
Like, how do you get other generations?
How do you get broader cohorts interested in your product and your IP for sure, right?
But I do know that one personality between generations, you know, across the board is this desire to tell stories. It's the desire to either tell their life and their perspective on things
or just completely unique stories as they see the world
and kind of their own interpretation.
Breaking up a little bit, Pocky.
Oh, no.
He put on the robot suit and it it is congruent you know i think it was talkie ai yeah that was pocky ai sorry guys um i'm gonna text him see if i can get
human pocky back on yeah he was buffering for a minute so we'll go around we'll go i think uh
honeybee and rock soul came back up his hand is up to save your invoice trip too so we'll go around uh honeybee
rock soul and then when uh when he gets back up hopefully we got a better connection honeybee
it's on you good sir you don't even know some people were complaining they were like yo you
didn't bring you haven't brought in the
fucking intro music in a minute but what's going on i think the biggest thing my take from from
all this is if you're not using ai at this point i'm gonna run circles around you bro i'm god i'm
taking your job i'm taking your wife i'm taking your kids i'm taking everything from you okay
because what do you think i told my agent to do i told him can you take my debt too i can i'll make you money brother don't that my agent's job
is to fucking print okay like i gave him a mission i was like i don't care what it takes
brother i don't care what you got to do go print and it helps me with all my creative work all my
content all this shit and i come from classical music right so i understand the fear a lot of people are like hey I spent my whole life learning how to
animate learning how to make content learning how to make music I did the
whole I said same thing with cello but this just amplifies your creativity
right it's a tool and I think the people who tap into it and accept it for what
it is and leverage it to to scale yourself right like some people were
saying it's a co-pilot.
I think it's another version of me.
That's what I, that's the whole point of training is I'm trying to make that motherfucker me or better, right?
It's like the evolution of me.
And I make, I want to make a whole orchestra,
a whole army to go crazy.
So I implore and like beg everyone,
like if you haven't fucked with it,
to make content or to do anything,
automate one thing in your life
or scale anything in your life using AI.
Like, go try it.
Just try to.
It can be the simplest thing.
Touche, my boy.
Touche.
And believe it or not, you know, this guy is definitely a not even believe it or not.
But let me give a little context.
When he said cello, he's an award winning celloist.
Honey B, you want to tell
him the award that you are a recipient of a mayor and i have won a grammy exactly exactly so the
context is that if he's spent his whole life and dedicated his life to winning a grammy in cello
and now he's saying i have harnessed this right here, and it's not a deterrent,
this is actually, you know, an energizer, this is like a cheat, cheat, one-on-one, this is a boost
for me, then that really is saying something right there. So I saw DudeLift's hand come back
up, so we want to let him jump back in, and then we'll go to you, Roxo, and then back to you,
Ronnie Ray. Yeah, I think someone was just talking about, you know, proof, AI proof jobs, right?
Car mechanic, carpenter, stuff like that.
And I guess I just wanted to kind of share my own experience because I think we can often talk about like, you know, like, you know, what's going to happen to all the creatives, all the whatever.
I'm like, I can only speak from my own experience.
And this is just something I've observed is that i use ai a lot and i use ai a lot
it's for some reason like created this desire in me to like seek out craft more and more um like
i've just started i got some shoes custom made i just yesterday ordered a jacket from this company
called digital spenders club here on here on crypto Twitter because I saw their hype video and I was like, that's craft. Like I want craft. Like it's
this weird, it's almost like the K-shaped economy of like people, you know, the rich get rich and
the poor get poor. I'm like, like as AI commoditizes everything, I'm like, I'm seeking out higher
quality goods and experiences. I don't know. It's like a weird thing. I don't know if it's just me.
But the other thing that I was going to say, too, is that specifically as Doodles AI
relates to creatives, I'm not going to say
Doodles AI isn't for creatives.
Is it the curse of the dudes today, man?
today, man. Did he just run?
Did he just run?
What the fuck just happened?
Not artistically.
Not artistically.
Dude.
You got cut off here.
Let's restart that conversation.
I mean.
Oh, okay. Where did I get
cut off?
Oh, can you hear me now?
Yeah, you were just starting to cook.
You were just getting into everything
like probably oh okay sentence or half in so yeah yeah so what i was saying is like doodles isn't
what i'm not saying is like doodles isn't for creative so i'll get back to that but i think
where it's going to have the most impact is for a creative people right it can make everybody
into an artist um because someone like myself who's a a little bit creative, I'm not an artist,
but I'm going to take the generations and I'm going to take them to Photoshop and I'm going to mess around with them a little bit. I'm going to put my little flavor on it. And artists and
creatives, they're naturally just going to do that. They're going to level it up. And so that's
where I'm kind of like, even with Doodles AI, artists and creatives aren't going anywhere.
They're going to take that output and they're going to use it, like someone was saying, to
accelerate, to get to where they want to go faster and maybe inspire them.
Even BT is looking at the outputs and he's learning.
And this is the artist.
But he's like, dude, I would have never thought about that.
But so I say all that because, like I said, I think it's going to empower people who are a creative or not artistically inclined and make everyone level them up.
But then for the people who are artistically inclined or creative,
it's just going to take it to the next level.
100%.
Loki, you was starting to jump in right there?
No, let's go to Rock Solo.
All right, Rock Solo and Randy White.
Yo, what's good, guys?
Don't know if y'all can hear me.
There's a thunderstorm here in Miami.
I thought it snows in Miami.
It snows all the time, bro.
It's crazy out here.
I think it's more or less of like a quality control with AI.
So it's kind of like, what I think is cool about it is, you know,
from teaching and doing like workshops and like kind of creating systems to
improve as an artist.
And I think that's what, you know,
BT and a lot of artists are kind of looking at it as like,
there's like no gatekeeping in regards to like information,
but you still got to, you know,
put in the sweat equity and learning like real techniques as an artist
and then applying that in the real world.
So I think it's more of like a quality control thing versus it being like, you know, it's another calculator, too.
You know what I'm saying?
So it's like you could do the math the hard way or you can kind of streamline the process and still put in like the work to do like legitimate art, you know, on a high level.
So I guess that's like my take on that.
You know, I just want to say every time I go to make to Miami, I spend a little time with Roxo, and it was no different this past Basel.
We went and did another little tour of the city, and we went straight and took some photos.
I was like, yo, I got to go see the Doodles Muriel again.
I go every time just to do it.
And so shout out to Roxo for that Doodles Project Roadmap.
Muriel, it is still looking mighty fine and right there in downtown miami
i'm excited bro for the doodles ai because i have a lot of photos of the murals
and i wanted to be like yeah what would it look like of us as like doodle characters
next to the mural so i don't know that's how crazy i am and i'm glad that these tools are
going to exist because you know to put it on Procreate and do the layers and everything, like, I understand.
I understand the work.
But at the same time, like, life moves fast.
If you guys understand social media and content creating, it all goes hand in hand with the work that artists are going to be producing in the next 10 or 20 years.
And, guys, this is a guy who lives and breathes by his pen, by his art.
You know what I'm saying?
So, you know, that's a great take, Rock.
That is the context, but a little bit more to that context is
that Verizon actually partners with him.
The phone company?
Yeah, those guys actually partner with him.
Yo, forget Verizon, bro.
Forget Verizon, bro. He worked with Doodles, bro. That's what I, you know. Yeah, those guys actually partnered with him. Forget Verizon, bro. Forget Verizon, bro.
He worked with Doodles, bro.
That's what I...
Yeah, Doodles.
But I'm saying that brings the context.
It brings it just like saying the Grammy Award winning, you know,
celloist is saying the same thing.
So there's a healthy balance that I think we must find.
If we don't, we're probably going to be left behind in some regard.
And I think the Doodles art is probably going to hate my...
I can't get the eyes on the side of my character
because my eyes are closed.
So it's going to be a real lift to try to do that.
Ronnie Ray's hand came up,
then I saw the Hodler come up,
unless Hodler needs an invoice.
So Ronnie Ray and Hodler.
Proof of Alpha.
Rocks sold.
Both put in some really good points but i think um context is everything right like yes everybody in my opinion is a creative everybody can come up with ideas
whether or not they capture them and bring those to life as a whole other thing or how they do that. And I agree that the individual
that has put in the sweat equity, as it were, the actual iteration, the practice of a craft
is going to leverage AI in a way that'll far surpass someone that does not have that context.
That doesn't mean that someone that doesn't have the context
can't produce something that's groundbreaking and beautiful.
It just means that somebody that has dedicated their life to a specific thing can, should, and probably will leverage AI
to be able to work alongside it.
I think somebody said co-pilot
or even building a better version of themselves,
if I'm not mistaken.
I would agree.
I think an important thing to note when communicating with
any form of AI is the ability to say no, right? And quality control and understanding
what taste is, right? And not just taking your initial output as this is incredible, right? I think that's where
the real challenge is. But yeah, the ability to say no, putting in some work to understand the
domain that you're in, whether that's from an elementary perspective or whether that's from a
lifelong perspective of dedicating your life to a specific thing.
AI is going to take that to heights that I don't think we could even fathom at this particular stage.
Touche, my guy.
Good take on that.
And it's official now that Ronnie Ray is Jesus' neighbor because he came over and borrowed his mic.
He's using Jesus' God mic.
Good take, my guy.
Hodler, jump on in there, man.
Good morning, Loss.
GM, GM, good morning.
Appreciate you guys having me up and enjoying the conversation for,
I don't know, maybe about an hour and a half now as I'm waking up.
I'm also in the other side as
the conversation has been
sort of leaning towards
AI and world building
and 3D.
I think I heard during the conversation
something about
a field of work that was AI proof.
I don't know if that exists anymore.
We have non-technical people
creating NRA fucking cures to cancer for their pets. I don't know if that exists anymore. We have non-technical people creating
NRA fucking cures
to cancer for their pets. We've got to
rent a human platform
in crypto. Honeybee's AI
might fucking hire me tomorrow
to do some shit that
somebody else isn't going to do.
I don't know. And I guess robotics
is the next step of that too.
You already see it with Tesla and Waymo. I'm in the Bay area. So like I have robo taxi app. There's it's only
in like Texas and in the Bay area. And so like I could call a Tesla Uber right now and there's no
driver. And in the future, like, you know, you're going to own a Tesla and that motherfucker is
going to be working for you. You're going to pull up somewhere and park the Tesla and it's going to
go off and become a taxi while you're at the mall for three hours.
So we're in like we're getting into like a real interesting phase of world and I guess world building and adding value to our assets here in Web3 too.
And I yeah, shameless show like the proof of concept is alive in other side right now.
show like the proof of concept is alive in other side right now.
Like just today, we have a developer just this morning
who's built a tool over the past several months
that allows you to take a design, images,
maybe like even a selfie,
a picture of your face from the front and from the side,
different profiles and to create a 3D model
or even a rigged avatar with that same system.
And there was an upgrade just today that
allows you to go in the other side, prompt in the chat, just prompt in the other side chat and create
an item there in the world. And I don't know, we're like, we talk about bringing crypto to
masses and maybe there's like this resistance in traditional markets. And I think there's a bunch
of us that are having conversations about, you know, Roblox and are we building there or all these other different type of sandbox platforms?
And what is the economy like there? And is there the ability for us to in some way replicate it?
Well, AI is supercharging our ability to catch up. We got people who are not developers
developing. And God damn it, did we not need that? Because here in crypto, we were losing
developers at a fucking alarming rate. People are 100 percent more interested now in ai than in web 3
and suddenly we've spawned a whole fucking ecosystem of developers because of ai a whole
fucking ecosystem of creatives people that were interested in nfts and ip and damn it we're
fucking back because i mean i don't want to say i don't don't let me don't let me get too crazy
up here but like i don't know I see the vision
I see the vision I love what y'all cooking up here
yo I love the fact
that over there on the other side with like the vibe
world and stuff like that we're leaning into it
we're not walking away from it
and you know only time
will tell and you know what I'm saying the market will
decide but 100%
what a fucking fun ride
what a time to be alive loki uh over to you good
sir i see you got your hand up unintentionally but it's uh the stage is all yours good sir
yeah thank you man no good point from the other i we also that a lot of people leaving and
earlier we were i was talking about the comparison between
Twitter and Instagram and yeah innovation people put in the grind are
here on Twitter so here on crypto so good good point and yes I hope that will
mean we are really really back but it's been two hours talking about this fucking ai
i am officially turning against actually i'm going to unfollow doodles now right now on instagram
because last time i checked the title is nft guys I want to talk about
a viral post
being on Twitter
this week from a Pokemon
collector
who said listen to this
parasites try to guys like you
into believing Pokemon cards and NFTs
are in the same realm
wrong and then blah blah blah
Pokemon is the best i promise you my children
will never touch an nft these people lost are lost because the pixel they're bought in 2021 for 10
000 are now worthless lol bye so i want to touch on this because we are seeing the last month a lot of marketplaces for TCG collectibles, digital collectibles.
They are getting, I think there are like five or six major ones.
They are doing the same volume, probably even higher than OpenSea.
So I think what we're going to see in the next years is, first, more paper collectors are going to buy digital without knowing these are NFTs until the very moment they will discover its NFTs.
And we will finally have the first real adoption from a new consumer area.
So all the Pokemon collectors, all the One Piece collectors, the TCG area, let's say.
And I think it's really pretty groundbreaking, especially, I mean, talking about how many people and how popular is right now this.
so am i is the opium again for us or it will be finally over in few years or
months this adoption for nfts that everybody finally understand it's just
a fucking technology for ownership the odler i think both both things i think
both things like some of the things that I'm seeing people working on now,
I'm interested in, I would participate, I would play the game.
I'm talking specifically about games that I've seen from people.
People are building an Unreal Engine,
different games that have integration from Web3 assets.
Games that I would play on PlayStation or on computer that I'm seeing.
I would play on PlayStation or on computer that I'm seeing.
I think we're going to start to see more developers in Web 3
that are creating games, experiences,
and putting them out into Web 2 without going NFT forward.
You're going to start to download a game.
You're going to experience some of your favorite IP.
You're going to start building your character, your profile.
You're going to have all of these different assets.
Oh, there's my character. There's my wearables, there's my favorite sword.
The MMORPG experience. And yeah, you won't know and maybe
you won't even care that the underlying assets are on a blockchain and you won't
care if it's an L1 or an L2 or an L3, but ultimately you would have
interoperability, you would have the ability to trade or to move those assets
or maybe you have a file that you can pull out and bring into another place. I feel like we're getting close
to that point. And I've seen what looks like at least the AA type of games starting to get
developed in this ecosystem. And I guess I hope that when these people start to launch and bring
those things to market, it's not, hey, come buy my NFT, come play my game. It's just like,
come and play my game. It's cool. and then as people are kind of hooked and get
attached to the ip then they discover you know they've got a wallet full of assets we got you
yeah i'm sure it's happening already so all these all these platforms the most popular one
i've been lurking inside their Discord,
I've been checking their community, made apps, reading stuff, seeing photos.
They are enormous.
They are enormous collecting, buying digital cards.
They don't fuck with NFT PFP, for instance.
So it's already happening.
And I think we are very, very close to it.
Ani?
Yeah, I think going off what very close to it. Oni?
Yeah, I think going off what Loss is saying is a lot of it boils down to and
I was watching Alex Jermozzi, he was streaming yesterday and like a lot of it a lot of the questions people came in asking him
We're like, hey, I'm doing AI to like fulfill my service or my product or my brand or whatever to like do work
Right and I find it hard to sell to other people because a
lot of people are against ai and he's like brother stop saying it's you you're fulfilling it with ai
like no one gives a flying fuck honestly like no they just want the result just sell people on a
result on a story and that's it how you fulfill it does not fly and fucking matter because if they
like it they liked it right it doesn't matter how you get there it's the same thing for us we don't
no one knows the back end of like all the smart contracts they use or the websites and they like it they liked it right it doesn't matter how you get there it's the same thing for us we don't no one knows the back end of like all the smart contracts they use or the websites and
they like no one cares if it's made on react or fucking html or job like no one gives a flying
so stop being a nerd about it stop saying it's ai and like just do cool is my tldr
hey ronnie thanks sonny please don't say i anymore ronnie Hey, Ronnie.
Thanks, Ronnie.
Please don't say I anymore, Ronnie.
What's that?
No, go ahead.
Go on.
I won't say I anymore.
I promise.
I kidding.
Yeah, I think it's the user experience that matters the most, right? How it's built matters to the builder, but the consumer, the person that is experiencing it,
that is the, those are the individuals that matter most. And I think in reference to NFT, Web3 Forward,
and I'm not one to show,
but in the game that we're building,
yeah, that's a massive component within our ecosystem,
but that's not our value proposition, as it were.
That's not what we're selling.
As a matter of fact, we're not fucking selling anything, to be fair, other than what the game actually is, what the IP behind it is,
what the characters are, and the experience of what that individual within that universe is
experiencing, and their ability to be able to create their own universe within a universe.
ability to be able to create their own universe within a universe. So I think
the most important thing is the user experience. What's underneath the hood only matters to
the engineer building it and maybe the individual that really wants to understand and do a deeper dive. And whether or not somebody walks away from a platform
because they have a bad taste in their mouth
based on how production was created is on them.
And I think that staying true to the idea and the story
that you're wanting to build, that you're wanting to share,
that you're wanting to be able to put out into the world matters most. And the market decides on
whether that's great. And even if the market decides it's great, it may still not be great.
Not everyone has good taste, right?
So just build whatever the hell you want to build.
That's it.
Build and they'll come.
That's what they did in the desert when they built Las Vegas.
Now look at it.
It's a tourist attraction for everybody all over the world, right?
Actually, let me reset the room.
We're getting ready to wind down, guys. We had an hour space slotted but we've been going
two and two over two hours we want to be respectful for everybody's time that's all over the world it's
like 5 a.m for some guys somewhere but we want to uh we got two or three more takes i saw guys come
up on stage uh it was it's going to be uh jay crypto bullies and igley if igley is still there
it may be gone but we want to make sure that we just try to be respectful
have a you know do we have enough time for crypto bullies to actually i'll just give that's what i
was alluding to we want to make sure we be respectful and have a short take but i know
he's cringing right now like i can't do it but j uh crypto bullies and igloo jump in there give
us your takes and then we're gonna shut it down guys, if you're here and you still wanted to come and be a part of the conversation,
make sure to turn on your notices for Loki because he's going to give you that space time.
And sometimes it's an hour earlier.
And so you won't miss it and you'll be here on time and you can be a part of the conversation.
Let's go.
Jay, Crypto Bullies and Igne.
Yes, yes, yes yes yes yes so you know the whole the holder was making a lot of
interesting points I definitely agree with what he was saying we seem to simplify and simplify I
think I think the rural assets play a huge part on in terms of like onboarding people I speak to
people I wrote all the time.
I have a whole podcast where I'm trying to pretty much show people the culture of Web3.
And at the end of the day, they don't understand what's happening here
with the terms that we frequently use in spaces.
They just want to know what it can do for them
in the easiest way possible.
So I do think what's going to attract people to come into the space,
because obviously we're losing a lot of people, is the tech.
Possibly augmented reality could be a tool.
I mean, there's so many other tools out there.
Someone mentioned AI.
You know, I do think finding ways to put out simple things that everyone likes to use or play with, like board games and cards and, you know, IP, IP of your NFT product.
Putting those products out there, doing maybe like tour it up like that could be a great way for not just Web3 people to come to the party or come to the tournament but for everyone
who is like a gamer to show up i'm talking about the physical games um because there is there has
been a a bit of a um a pullback from that over the years everything is is digitized and we have we
have the digital collectibles already um like for my brand we
have digital collectibles and we also have the physical and that's that's what we plan on doing
um but i think that's probably the best way to do it i see gary v doing that with with the cards
kind of like pokemon in a way um yeah i think that's the only way we're gonna be able to
Yeah, I think that's the only way we're going to be able to get new people in.
That's the best way to put it.
Keep it simple, keep it fun, and keep it light.
If you're looking for people to buy your projects, focus on the IP, focus on the story, focus on the lore.
I think the lore is going to be heavy.
That's how Pokemon became Pokemon, right?
So that's my take on it.
Good take as well.
Crypto Bullies, I'm cringing right here.
No, I'm just kidding.
Crypto Bullies up next.
No, you're already fucking cringing.
Tell the fuck out, man.
God damn, give this motherfucker a chance to talk.
It's so you, bro.
Good to see you, man.
Anyway, what up, everybody?
How y'all doing, man?
It's been a long fucking day, I will just say, and it's only a one o'clock so uh bear with me bear with me i will say um i i really came up here obviously
listening to everything you guys are saying i'm happy jay started off uh with that as well with
those comments because it does touch on why i even came up here so loki brought up this tweet right
and uh you know i think when it comes to tweets like that it you realize the ignorance that people
have when it comes to what is an nft and so on and a lot of that is rooted in the fact that like
we kind of re-associated nfts with like these images that that anybody thinks hey i could just
copy it and it's a digital thing and like there's no real value so it's like the perceived value for
people who don't understand what the inherent value is everything that comes with it right uh is they
just think oh i can just copy that image you know right click save and and what why do i need to pay
for it well then you think about rwas right like the fact that you have a physical product on the
back end of that token uh that is what people can actually start to understand as
a value because they know hey you know you know people have these like pack ripping or these claw
machine experiences now or uh I forgot the name of that uh project but like you know you spin a
wheel essentially you're not getting this nft that points to a Pokemon card and what what the value
of this nft is is that there's a physical product behind it that already has a community of people that are willing to buy it from you.
They already has, they built in into the UI the ability to sell that shit right away.
Right.
So you don't even really need to care or even have that product in your hand.
Right. hand right and have you ever had to like buy or sell and flip things on ebay or amazon store or
anything like that you know the process of like dealing with the shipping and the labels and all
that stuff you you eliminate all that person-to-person sales through these on-chain experiences
where this physical product can be claimed by whoever has that token and decides they want to
claim it rather than flip it to the next person and so on and so
I think it's again, like you said, it's the experience. It's at the end of the day. It's like
um people just have to realize like what ownership is
The same people who are complaining have a game in their in their phone or have children that they pay for
You know roblox cards, uh, or mv bucks and and fortnight and so on they buy their kids these
things so they can have access to these digital assets that they will never physically own that
that are locked into somebody's database somewhere and then if these companies decide they want to
shut their doors for whatever fucking reason uh guess what happens they lose access to all those
assets right so you know an nft is way different if if there was an n They lose access to all those assets, right? So, you know, an NFT is way
different. If there was an NFT in front of all those assets and, you know, that was separate,
it was a decentralized asset that those companies are then just using in their game. This means you
owning that asset and them closing the doors are two separate things. Somebody else could create a
whole new experience. Shout out to the other side other side for example where you can bring that asset into their game you know what i'm saying
and you still own it irregardless if then the other side shows down you know i'm saying so like
i think it's it's gonna be this like learning curve for people to like actually understand
what it is what digital assets are why nfts play a role in this and uh and i think the closest thing to
getting them to learn that is through these rwas through the pokemon you know uh nfts pointed to
pokemon cards and and all these other assets that people already see as a tangible asset like it has
a value inherently and they're just looking you know as you said the user experience they don't
even have to know it's an nft they just know they log in, they pay for something, they get this asset. And now they can
claim the asset or sell it right away. They don't even have to know that it's an NFT, but it is.
And the best experiences, you know, are seamless like that, you know, and that's how you get people
to realize, like, I didn't even know I was touching an nft but i made money from it and i owned something
because of this nfc because of this uh you know web three centric uh uh asset class i would say
that i had no idea i had no idea i made money off it and i think through word of mouth for those
from those people to the next that's how we get the large adoption you know i'm saying so uh give
it time, man.
It's early.
You're going to see a lot of people just like that motherfucker in the tweet say ignorant shit because you know what?
They just don't know.
And guess what?
Your kids are going to have NFTs because you're going to prefer them to have an NFT over a fucking V-Bucks that you just don't want your money away.
I'm a parent, man.
I'm telling you. I'm going into the wheel.
Hey, bro.
I was just saying I was hoping I wouldn't have to hit the mute button on him. But God damn it. I'm a parent man i'm telling you you're going into the wheel hey bro i was i was just
saying i was hoping i wouldn't have to hit the mute button on him but god no no i'm done i'm
done but i'm just i was gonna say i'm a parent if anybody here is how much money you know how
much money you spend on these let's try it again okay there we go i was hoping i didn't have to
hit it on him twice but but God dang it though.
Because he go, hey, y'all, it'll be like Sunday school next week when he get finished.
Hey man, thank you for coming.
Thank you for unloading your hard day on this crypto bullets.
You always got some excellent takes.
You just a little long winded.
I think that's why you got a big head PFP because that motherfucker got some wind and he can go.
But he's always a value add to the
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So thanks for coming out, guys.
Everybody, we love you.
We couldn't have did it without you.
We would definitely just be us three
sitting on the stage talking.
I'll probably be the one
doing all the talking at that point
and not crypto bullies. But we love you. We want to see you again. We want to see you succeed. be us three sitting on the stage talking. I'll probably be the one doing all the talking at that point,
not crypto bullies.
But we love you.
We want to see you again.
We want to see you succeed.
We want to see NFTs succeed.
NFTs are inevitable.
We appreciate you. You could have been anywhere in the world,
but you came to hang out with us.
Have a great week.
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