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Normal Finance Mainnet Launch 🎉🎊🥳
Recorded: Jan. 30, 2026 Duration: 0:36:48Space Recording
Short Summary
Normal Finance has launched its mainnet, introducing a user-friendly platform for crypto investments, while planning a token launch and closing a seed round to fuel growth. The team emphasizes partnerships with Stellar and aims to expand globally, reflecting a trend towards accessibility in the crypto space.
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Music Music Music Music Music Music Music Music Music Music Music Music Oh I'm going to go to the next video. The good morning everybody that might have been a record for how quick we got all the speakers and co-hosts aligned great job great job um
real quick rap rap you there and justin josh you guys good show speaker on my side so hopefully
we're good good morning good morning nice happy normal friday happy normal friday
normal friday yeah i figure we're gonna end going long. I can almost guarantee it just based off all the fun stuff we want to cover today.
So we won't beat around the bush too much.
We can go ahead and get started.
So welcome everybody.
We are joined today by the team from Normal Finance.
From the stellar side, we are Jeremy and Raf.
I'm Jeremy and Raf's joined in from his personal account.
We will help out with the, excuse me, developer marketing team at SDF. And we're here today to
chat with Normal Finance, who just launched on mainnet. So we're going to meet the team,
talk a little bit about what they built, learn a bit about the tech behind it, safety mechanisms,
and kind of learn what's next.
So quick little housekeeping.
We are going to be recording since we expect a ton of good stuff to go on here.
So if anybody needs to drop off, feel free to come back later.
You'll be able to give it a listen and share with your friends and all that stuff.
So super excited, the team at Normal, all super cool guys,
and they've built something unique in the ecosystem.
So this is definitely going to be a fun one.
So let's go around real quick and have both of you do a brief intro with your name and your role in the project.
Justin, you can go first.
Thank you so much, BuildOnStellar, Jeremy, and Raf.
You guys are the best people to be talking crypto with on this lovely Normal Friday.
on this lovely Normal Friday.
I'm the co-founder and COO at Normal.
I'm the co-founder and COO at Normal.
We've been building for about four years
and it's my absolute blessing and honor
to be building with Josh.
Hey everybody, my name's Josh
and I'm the co-founder and CEO at Normal.
Started working in FinTech for a couple of years
and then really just kind of got bored
and kind of went all in on the crypto side and met Justin in college and Jake as well and kind of been history
ever since. So I'm happy to be here.
Nice, nice. Welcome. So I guess to get started, just to get people a little bit familiarized
maybe, can you do like a quick elevator pitch for normal? Imagine you got, let's say you're
going from the, we'll give you from the eighth floor down to the lobby. Imagine you got, let's say you're going from the,
we'll give you from the eighth floor down to the lobby. So you got roughly, you know, 20,
25 seconds. If you were to try and pitch normal to someone, maybe a non-crypto person, you're not,
you're not leaving the Coinbase building or SDF offices or something like that. So if you run into someone and they say, they see it, maybe your, your neon rainbow shirt that says
normal on it. And they say, Hey, what's that? What's your elevator pitch for normal?
Yeah, we are the portal to making crypto normal, all of crypto in one click.
People want an easy, simple place to own all the top assets and even gold and silver and
other precious assets that are kind of hard to have.
So we're really designing a user-friendly, all-in-one place for people to have a normal portfolio.
And we've been building for about four years.
We had an off-chain product.
Now we're on-chain.
And the regular user doesn't really need to know that.
This is our audience here.
So we really teach people,
you want the top five, top 10 crypto assets, we're the right place for you.
Nice. And I think, Josh, you touched on it a little bit, but I was kind of curious, you know, what led you here?
You mentioned you had a job previously in finance, but so obviously was this related to something you had a degree in? Is this purely entrepreneurial side?
You saw an opportunity.
You know, what led you guys specifically down the synthetic assets on blockchain path?
Yeah, well, I think kind of cut that into two pieces because as with many startup stories, you know, where we started is definitely not where we are today.
But yeah, I was working at a fintech company.
We were helping banks and credit unions
better connect with their mobile users.
And just the sales cycle was super slow
because those TRIFY institutions,
even the forward-facing ones,
they're only setting their budget once a year,
usually in quarter four, quarter three.
And so you've got one shot to make your tech count. And so we just kind of went through this
slog of failing and failing. And it was just really slow. I learned a ton and I'm super
grateful for the experience and the mentors and people that I met. But it was around the same
time that I discovered Bitcoin and was getting like totally red pilled into crypto and DeFi.
discovered Bitcoin and was getting like totally red pilled into crypto and DeFi.
And so I knew that I wanted to start a company in my life.
And I was in college at DePaul up in Chicago, had recently met Justin through his brother,
Anthony.
And I knew that I wouldn't be able to take that level of risk probably ever again in
my life, especially wanting to have a family and children, especially with
the increased risk that crypto presents.
And so, yeah, I just kind of decided to take that leap of faith.
We started with a very different product, which was building kind of a crypto neobank
project.
Long story short, that didn't really work out too well due to the FTX crash and kind
of forgot what they call the operation, operation
choke point, I think, where, you know, all the U.S. banks or most U.S. banks were, you
know, wouldn't touch crypto with a 12-foot pole.
And, you know, ultimately, through a zigzag story, we got to crypto indexes.
And Justin and I very quickly ran into a growth issue where he would have all these calls with as many customers as possible,
but we weren't able to scale that because the friction of our product was so high and the onboarding was so stressful.
And so we kind of decided to take a step back and build some missing infrastructure in the form of synthetic assets that will basically allow, it allows users and ourselves included to get exposure to any asset we want
from around the world from a single blockchain.
And we've been super privileged to build that on Stellar for the past two years.
And we actually get to use those assets now in our index funds.
And I had a question.
You guys went to Draper House. How did that work? So you guys were building on Solana first, you went to Draper and then you said, let's build on Stellar. Or what was the process that convinced you to build on Stellar?
product that he was talking about that we scaled, but it had high friction. So our product market
fit was on fire and we had kind of a growth problem. So at this time, we were raising our
seed round that we're closing actually right now. Thank God. And we were talking to all these
investors and then we got accepted into the accelerator program of Stellar Astro Hacker
House combined with Draper University. And man, what a time we had in
September 2024. We went there for about one full month, a sponsored trip, 12-hour workdays,
talking to billionaires, successful builders, all the Stellar developers. Shout out to Karsten for
being our OG developer mentor, just helping us get on chain to start.
And ever since then, Stellar's ecosystem provided so much value to normal with support and resources that it was just a no brainer to make crypto normal on Stellar.
And almost two years later, we finally launched our initial protocol with custom crypto indexes coming in the next weeks.
And it's just been such a great journey. And I just want to give a special shout out to all the normies in here. There's a lot of people here that it wouldn't be possible without them,
like Nico and Zotto. Nico is our amazing front end developer, and Jake is our creative director.
And just we hired a CTO not too long ago who's
really made this possible. Shout out to J Malv. Our team is just so good.
I just remember meeting you guys in Denver for the first time. And there was like a
normal event that was kind of more like an athletic event. It was like we were going for a hike
and then going for breakfast and stuff.
And for me, normal really signaled
like a new generation of products on Stellar.
It was like, let's make something fun.
Let's meet up.
Let's hang out.
And that's really what kind of drew me to the team.
So I can't express how happy I am
to be here with you guys today to celebrate
your Bnet launch. What an incredible feat. I'm so proud of you guys.
Thank you so much, Raph. And thank you to the Build on Stellar team. It really couldn't be
possible without you guys. And we're really excited to say we are just getting started.
We're committed to this product for generations.
And in a time where the dollar is a bit unstable
and gold and silver skyrocketing,
Bitcoin hasn't moved yet.
A product like ours is just really comforting
for our users and we're really excited
to add some more assets to our protocol.
So when we look at the mainland launch that you guys are coming with this week,
what's live and what can people start using today?
Yeah, so right now we've got five assets live.
The top crypto is supported by Reflector Oracle.
So you have Bitcoin, Ethereum, Solana, Ripple, and all of our favorites, Cardano.
Bitcoin, Ethereum, Solana, Ripple, and all of our favorites, Cardano.
So those assets each have the ability, you can go long or short on those assets.
So you'll see NBTC is normal Bitcoin.
That's one you would invest in if you think the price of Bitcoin is going to go up.
And then SNBTC is short normal Bitcoin.
That's if you're bearish on the market, if you think Bitcoin's
going to go down. These are the kind of like foundational pillars that everything else builds
off of. Our next priorities are going to be adding, of course, the next 100 cryptocurrencies,
but also expanding to other asset classes like equities and commodities. And then probably around
this time next week, we will have our index fund
feature live where you can actually combine any number of these tokens into a custom basket of
assets that you can share with your friends, you can share with your community, invest together
with and really save time and money in automating your investing. Sorry, is the basket or the baskets
live today? They are not, they'll be live next week. Okay, awesome. Yeah, are the baskets live today?
They are not, they'll be live next week.
Okay, awesome.
Yeah, I went to go sign up and it kind of took me aback
that I could log in with my Google account
and start using normal without, you know,
doing a wallet connect and all that fun jam.
So one of the favorite things that i
see with the normal platform is you've kind of integrated all the products in the ecosystem
there's like every single way there's like every like i see moneygrams there if i if i want to find
my wallet with that um um i had a question um about the the seed phrases when i like sign up one of the options is i can let normal manage my seed phrase
like what's like the process that you guys are doing to help onboard and like how is that secure
absolutely that's a wonderful question and one that we always want to address and be very
transparent honest about because it is it can be unsettling when you first see that, and we take this very seriously. So that was a huge design decision that the three of us, primarily Justin,
Jay, and I spent a lot of time thinking about was what is the trade-off between user experience
and security? And it is a very fine line that you have to draw, but we think that if done in
the appropriate ways, both can be both can be respected equally.
So to answer your question, whenever you create an account with normal, you can, of course, you can still connect an existing seller wallet, you know, Freighter, Hannah, Lobster, etc.
But if you don't have an existing seller wallet, we give you the option to create one for you.
the option to create one for you.
And once you've created that wallet, you can either self-custody it by, you know,
storing your own seed phrase manually, or you can select to have normal secure it for you.
The way that that process works is you will enter in a password that only you know,
and that password, along with an asymmetric private key that's generated on your client device,
is used to securely encrypt that mnemonic, that's generated on your client device is used to securely encrypt
that mnemonic, that secret key on your device. Only once that key is encrypted with both your
password and asymmetric key is it ever transported to our services. That entire process is also
completely disabled and taken away from any kind of product analytics so there's no like back-end data sharing or anything going on there
and once that token is received by our services it's encrypted again at rest
in our database and then whenever you say you lose access to your account or
you you want to access your normal account from a different device like
your phone perhaps if you set up your account on your computer to begin. You can simply log in using your email and then we can auto fetch that wallet
for you. It simply decrypts your token on our server side using our keys, sends that encrypted
value back to you, and then your key system is actually the only one that can decrypt it
so that it stays secure in your account.
And do I need XLM to fund my account to be able to use stuff on normal?
Like if I log in with my Google account, is there any barrier to start trading or start doing stuff on the normal platform?
There's actually not.
So that's a really cool thing that has only grown our love and affection for the Stellar blockchain, really just kind of with first principles from day one that the devs have taken.
So you don't have to worry about funding your account. We sponsor everything.
transactions pretty soon because our goal is really to make sure that our app is as normal
as possible, but also it's friendly and open to non-crypto people. And we really don't want users
knowing that crypto is being used on the backend. We want them to have a traditional, smooth-flowing
investing experience. And so the more things that we can do to automate that process for them,
the better. So if I have USCC on Stellar
within like 60 seconds, I can start going and buying Bitcoin without leaving the Stellar
ecosystem? Yes. That's the entire goal that we've had. That's awesome. Yeah. No centralized
exchanges, no bridges that you don't know if you're sending it to the right place.
Our long-term vision is that one thousand percent from seller you can
trade any global asset you want you can diversify however you want and you never have to leave your
on-chain wallet that's cool and um like for someone that's like typically versed in like a sex
like what's the advantage of doing it with normal and am am I able to cash out Bitcoin from normal? Or is that
something that I need to trade back out of the asset for? Is it the goal to have exposure to
an asset or to be able to have an asset? Yeah, I can answer that real quick because I deal with
most of our users. First of all, centralized exchanges are just such a headache and honestly,
a privilege to use because there's just so many barriers to people in every nation,
depending on what central exchange you're looking at.
So first of all, the barrier.
And then on central exchange, they really take advantage of the average person with the spot prices and the fees.
And kind of what Josh was highlighting there is that we're trying to push the fees as close to zero as possible.
is that we're trying to push the fees as close to zero as possible.
And with our synthetic assets,
crypto has never been as accessible or interchangeable as now on normal.
And we're truly making it normal by people being able to, you know,
buy in, cash out, whether they want cash in person in any country,
which I know for all of us is so convenient because, you know,
we're going to all these crypto conferences and me and some of our athletes are
competing around the world and, you know,
we're just burning cash doing foreign exchange and, you know,
we live in a time where that's, that's no longer, which is amazing.
Yeah. And I think that kind of, I mean, we, we have stellar as a whole,
obviously smart contracts are a little bit newer on stellar.
And so there's a lot of people that, you know, they might've been Stellar maxis didn't really
venture out much.
So anytime we have a new protocol or something come out, it's all new to them.
So I really want to, we can talk a little bit more about how this, this works under the hood,
but I really want to make sure we try and keep it as normal as possible, you know?
So people listening to this that may maybe as far
as they've gotten in is like using blend or something like that so they might be a little
knowledgeable but not too much so just to kind of piggyback off of off of raf's question so if i buy
if someone buys normal bitcoin or sells normal bitcoin on the site explain to me in layman's
terms like what's happening under the hood?
Like, is there a one-to-one purchase that's happening or a sell that's
happening somewhere or try and explain what's going on under the hood when
people are buying those assets?
Try and I know we're getting into kind of a little bit deep in the woods on,
on how some of this stuff works, but if you could explain it to a normal
person, just so they can kind of understand how that process works
behind, behind the scenes.
Sure thing.
Yeah, I would love to.
And I'll definitely give the abridged version.
But I'm more than happy to dive into the weeds if yourself or anybody else wants to.
So just send me a message if you like.
Yeah, so to start, every synthetic asset is fully backed by USDC.
And USDC is how everything is settled in terms of trading and liquidity.
And that's really kind of the North Star, if you can keep in your mind when hearing this and reading through
our documentation, kind of how all this works. So the way that our protocol creates these
synthetic assets, it's built off of a DeFi primitive called a long short pair. And basically,
that process involves depositing, let's say, $100 of USDC as collateral.
That collateral is going to be used to back two things.
That's going to let you mint one normal Bitcoin and one short normal Bitcoin.
So that's where kind of that long short pair name comes from.
You deposit some collateral and you're able to mint a pair of long and short tokens.
And that $100 of collateral will always back 100% those two tokens.
And so at creation, at time of minting, each token is backed equally.
So the long token is backed by $50.
The short token is backed by the other $50.
And as the price of Bitcoin changes over time, that backing value and proportion is going to change.
So if Bitcoin grows in price over time, then maybe $70 of that $100 will back the long token,
and the other $30 will be backing the short token. And so it's a completely Delta neutral
strategy. So if people want to come in and provide liquidity to our platform, they can put in this USDC collateral, mint these token pairs, and they have no directional exposure to the market, but they're earning fees and yield off of that collateral.
And that's what allows other traders to come in who do want directional exposure, and they can just one-off buy a long or a short token.
off by a long or a short token. And at any time they can go and redeem those tokens for that USDC
collateral. And that's kind of how those profits and losses are distributed. Gotcha. Okay. Yeah,
that actually clears it up quite a bit for me. Hopefully that was clear for everyone else that
listens to this. Because yeah, I had some when I was poking around a little bit. I did. I mean,
I'll admit that I'm not the most well-versed person at these more advanced
synthetics and stuff like that. Great job at that explanation there. I'd imagine somewhere along
the lines, you're tapping into Oracle prices here. I know Raf mentioned you're incorporated
all across the ecosystem. You got a wide net there So I'd assume you're using Reflector or
are there any other oracles that are being used to kind of keep track of prices?
Yes, we love Reflector and the Reflector fam. They are saving grace just kind of being the main
and most reliable oracle system on Stellar. So that's our only oracle provider today.
And, you know, we're going to be using them as we launch more crypto assets.
They've been, you know, RAF included has been wonderful to work with over the past couple of
years and super creative and like no restrictions. Like whenever we ask about adding support for
different assets or different tokens, but just like always a can do mindset team. And that's
something that we really love and cherish on our team as well. We do want to
distribute the risk, however, over time by adding different Oracle providers to make sure that if
one single point of failure ever does happen, we do have a more decentralized system that can
back that up. So we're looking at integrating possibly Band or even Dia.
I'm not sure if they're still working on Stellar.
Of course, Chainlink and Pith, if they ever bring their support over.
And then as we expand to different asset classes, we'll have to get a little more creative in terms of where we're pulling like real-world asset Oracle feeds, just because I know the support for those can sometimes be a
little bit lacking. Gotcha. And then if you're just relying on Reflector for most of this stuff,
it has been historically very, very reliable. That's why most projects use Reflector. But
I mean, if the market suddenly gets a little crazy, I'd imagine there's some guardrails that kick in to kind of ensure safety of the protocol.
100%.
Yeah, so we actually wrote a custom Oracle contract called a normal Oracle.
Surprise, surprise.
That's basically a wrapper around Reflector and all the other providers that we'll add over the years.
providers that will add over the years. And the normal Oracle contract effectively just applies
both a time-weighted average price to the price fetching, and it also applies a handful of
different risk parameters as well. So we make sure that the price feeds are fresh and they're
not too stale in terms of time. We don't want an outdated price. We can configure deviations.
So if a price change is over 10% different
from the previous price, we can kind of pause things
and stop trades until either price smooths out
or we can figure out what that Oracle issue is.
And the protocol is also self-sufficient and healing
in that it can freeze Oracles and replace them if needed with admin overrides at certain points as well. You talk about like
self-healing and some like recovery mechanism is that the insurance fund?
Not quite so we from our previous design we've done away with the insurance
funds it's not really something we may need it in the future as kind of more like a backstop
similar to blend design. But in reference to self healing, it's mainly just like being
that when trades happen, they're aware of the validity of an Oracle price. And we're always
adding ways that basically like, instead of just blocking a trade, there will actually be some type of proactive measure taken to fix the Oracle or fix the price issue instead of just blocking it.
I'm hearing lots of design choices that have changed over time.
I know that you guys went through a pretty lengthy audit process.
And I was wondering maybe if you could talk about your partner and your experience and how normal change throughout the audit. Yeah, 100%. So we went through an amazing audit
through the Stellar Audit Bank with Halbern. That was a wonderful process. I taught myself
and our devs a lot. And it was cool to see, you know, it's really easy to kind of get
pigeonholed in your own design and own thinking when you're looking at the same things for so long.
So it was very helpful to have a different team of engineers look at things.
We have made some considerable changes in the smart contract design since that audit.
So we are in the process of getting another audit look over that to kind of recertify those changes.
However, we've been a huge fan and user of the Almanacs platform.
You know, there's definitely something, I think that there's definitely a human benefit
over AI, but in terms of static analysis and getting rid of as many kind of just like easy
bugs as possible, we have run all of our mainnet contracts before launch through about five or six
different Almanac scans that have helped us resolve many of the issues that were present.
But security is again from both the smart contract side and the secret keys that we talked about
earlier is always our number one priority. So it's something that we're still striving to get
a professional audit on as well.
Nice. Yeah.
Almanac's Raph and I, Raph and I, I don't know, you know, Raph, he's a big pickleball
guy.
We actually went and met up with, uh, met up with him and played some pickleball on his
roof when we were visiting, visiting New York.
So yeah, Almanac's super cool guys.
I've interviewed him.
I'd actually think it was at, uh, Denver last year.
I did a little interview with him, but, um, yeah, definitely big big fans of almanacs and they've been around stellar for a while so
uh cool to hear you guys are working with them a bit so um we're getting close to 30 minutes i
don't have a hard hard cut but i do want to do want to try and try and wrap up here before too
long so let's talk about the future i mean, you mentioned earlier there was some stuff coming next week,
but like what does 2026 as a whole
kind of look like for you guys?
Just having launched,
are you guys already have other stuff in the works
besides the stuff that's coming next week?
Are we gonna kind of see how the usage pattern is
and kind of see where you'd like to put more effort behind
or what does 2026 look like?
Yeah, I'd love to dive into that. Great question, Jeremy. In the short term, we're looking to just
solidify the best protocol launch. So that is the first week of it. So right now, that's kind of the
main thing, just taking in all the amazing feedback from our OG community support, like you guys,
making the app just way more normal
through the feedback of all of our initial users. And we're really kind of just focusing
on more crypto users to start just because of the bugs and the passion to build this.
And as those bugs kind of roll out, we're starting to introduce our average users where
the index feature will be out next week.
They can just click one, two, three, buy,
their portfolio set up.
They don't have to do all these different things.
So then we're gonna be really focused on scaling all 2026.
It's all about getting normal around the world.
And I'm really excited.
And there's some really special people in this chat
I gotta just say a shout out to,
like Obi Daniel and Prince Inola and my good friends from Nigeria.
And there's a handful of other countries we're launching normal workshops in like Brazil, Greece, India, Japan, and more.
So this year is really all about growth and that's kind of on the user side.
We're also focused on the integration side.
So we know now that we have a DeFi protocol, you know, the sky's the limit for integrations and just bettering our offers through the ecosystem.
You know, working with Blend and getting some liquidity pools and yields going on our tokens, getting a crypto credit card down the road.
So those are kind of some longer term things.
2026 is just about growth.
We want to strengthen our team,
get some more development support
so we can ship some amazing updates faster and faster
and really just pour into the community
that needs this product.
And I just want to say another huge thank you
to Stellar for having the same vision as us
and focusing on grassroots communities worldwide.
Cause to be honest, we're very privileged as, you know,
North Americans with all the infrastructure
and kind of opportunities we have,
but people in Greece, they don't even have education
about crypto in their own language. And, you know,
the barriers across the world, we're really excited to break through and help people who
want it the most. And it's such a privilege again to work with this amazing team of wonderful people,
including Jeremy and Raf in this amazing space. So thanks again.
If I want to have a stake in the future of normal,
is there a way that I can do that as a consumer? If you are an accredited investor, we are raising
our seed round right now. If there's any angel investors out there, or you guys have some,
we are closing some amazing checks and we're super excited to announce our new board of investors and advisors and
what that means for our ecosystem integrations and users. But onto your note where people,
most people aren't accredited investors and this kind of says like when token, when norm token,
that's something we're also focusing for about halfway through the year and with another audit
and some robust tokenomics design and release,
we'll be dropping the norm token. And that is one way we can all be a part of the governance,
revenue, and just DAO structure of a normal protocol.
I, for one, thank you for not dropping a token right when a project goes live or before the
project goes live. So thank you for that.
I appreciate that it's not all just talking about the token. We can talk about the product
and then that can come in the future. We really believe in utility and the logical roadmap of
that is to build utility first. So we're building out this robust system of assets, custom crypto
indexes, and then all of our investors can then buy into that norm token later.
But I love the way you think, Jeremy.
Yeah, no need to cloud a nice release that you've been working on for a long time and just buy everyone just worried about some token or something.
So, yeah, definitely a good way to do it.
So cool. We're right at 32
minutes. So I think we did a good job. We covered a ton before we wrap up here. I definitely want
to give you a chance to, uh, plug all the socials, you know, where, what's the normal, I don't even
think we've mentioned the, uh, the website address or anything like that. So where should people
follow you? Uh, where's the community at? Do you have a discord? I know you've mentioned, or it was mentioned in the, in the docs or on the site,
a way to report bugs and stuff. So like what, as a user, everyone listening to this,
that wants to go check out normal, where do they find it? And then as they're using it,
how do they provide you guys some feedback or what type of feedback are you guys looking for
from the community? For all our users out there, head over to normalfinance.io play around with our app and we have this nice easy feedback button right
on top of the page you can click that and those feedback will go straight to our devs for review
and prioritization and we're excited to make this app more normal and normal and if you want to be
a part of the mission and kind of get into the inner community we're active on all socials we love acts we love linkedin and where our community really chats and
has a great time come join our discord or telegram and we can't wait to hear what you have to say
you guys are easy to find around social with the neon profile pictures there so we need some we
need some merch though i feel like like, I mean, I know
for sure I don't have any normal merch, but I'm picturing there's definitely got to exist some
sort of neon tie dye shirt or something somewhere, right? Thank you for saying that. We are actually
working on some very exciting merch launches that are just going to go through the normal website
and our new app and kind of some cool crypto features to the checkout and some on-chain tracking with the chips for tapping.
But yeah, I would love to maybe make a build on stellar normal shirt with you guys or something.
There you go.
Yeah, you guys, I love the branding.
It sticks out, you know.
I mean, you go to these conferences and everyone's got the same thing.
I don't think I've seen much kind of rainbow stuff going on.
So it definitely sticks out, especially scrolling anywhere, whether it's on the Discord or X or anything like that.
It always sticks out.
So kudos to you guys.
So appreciate it, guys.
I mean, great time, a ton of good information.
Resharing this later and sharing this for all the people that didn't make it it's definitely gonna be very
valuable for the ecosystem so yeah everyone go try the app share some feedback um tag the team
questions they're super responsive um of course easy to spot with their rainbow profile pictures
i do want to share one more thing j, and I know this is kind of never ending
and I know people have time and places to go.
No, I'm good. Go for it.
Sweet. We love talking with you guys,
but we are launching a super exciting new crypto show
called A Normal Talk Show.
And it's going to be on YouTube and Spotify
and we're going to have a bunch of special guests
and it's only right to invite both of you to it.
So we look forward to our episode and releasing that.
And we're super excited to start pumping out
a bunch of content about this.
Awesome. When does that come out?
We are starting all the recordings next week
and they should be,
first one should be posted next Friday on Normal Friday.
Normal Friday. All right.
Sounds good. Yeah.
I can't speak for Raf, but yeah,
happy to join, join anytime. Is this, uh, um, you, you mentioned YouTube, so I'm assuming we're
doing, uh, you're doing some video recording. So that's nice. I'll have to, I'll have to get my
wig ready and my, my nice, uh, green screen background. So maybe I can add a neon background
behind me or something. So I fit in. We can do that for you. Yeah, we'll figure it out.
All right. Well, thanks, guys.
Really appreciate you joining
and taking the time.
Congrats on the launch.
Super proud of you guys.
You guys are taking the right steps.
I think you're on the right path
and hope to see you guys succeed in 2026.
Thank you, Jeremy.
Thank you, Raph.
Appreciate your time today.
Of course, guys.
Congrats.
Enjoy your weekend, guys. Thank you.
See you in Abu Dhabi. Let's get it.
