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Recorded: May 21, 2025 Duration: 1:03:51Space Recording
Short Summary
The conversation centered around the upcoming Cyberlin event, highlighting its significance as a project launch in the D-Sci ecosystem. Participants discussed the growing awareness and adoption of decentralized science, the need for grants, and the overall trends indicating a shift towards more accessible and innovative research funding.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Hello. hello.
Hey, Jhatsu.
How's it going?
Good.
It's going well.
How are you, Caroline?
I'm doing well.
It's a pretty rainy day in Chicago, but I'm in lab, so I'm not getting wet.
At least you have a roof over the top
exactly it could be worse yeah we have one of those rare sunny days in berlin but it is windy
so not a picnic weather i would say yeah your stuff would blow away yeah way. Yeah. Hi, everyone. Hello. Yeah. So for those joining, our normal co-host Kiho is handling some
business at this current moment. So it'll just be me and my friend Johnsu from Molecule today. Sorry to disappoint. But it should still be
really fun.
Right, so I hope I will be as engaging as Kiho talks.
That's what we all should strive for, I think.
Yeah. That guy puts the bar high.
Exactly. Kiho speaks and the world listens.
True.
Yeah.
Yeah, we'll give people a couple of minutes maybe to hop in.
Anything in particular you want to talk about today, Jonsu?
Right now everything on my mind is about the cyberlin related we are full
force getting ready to kick off the event in less than three weeks now wow yeah we have been working
really hard for the last months and now it is all coming together and super super exciting
with all the speakers so for listeners it's never a bad time to advertise something so if you cannot
attend in person you can still sign up on or you should sign up on luma so you can catch the event for two days as live stream that's what i'll be doing
yeah i can i cannot leave the confines of my lab uh for an extended period right now i'm trying to
push to get a paper out um so i will be attending dc berlin virtually um And I'm like, maybe I should live tweet it
or something like that.
Yeah, that will be really, really cool.
We have usually in the past years,
we had like thousands of live streamers.
Last year, it was 7,000 people.
Because we cannot, unfortunately, host everyone
at the events. It is like limited spots but still
exclusive yes but if someone listening and based in berlin or can come join us on 10th and 11th
please register on luma and hopefully you will get a spot.
What's been your favorite part so far about like the planning or like setup of the Cyberland?
I am really looking forward for the panels to be honest. I think they will be super interesting and we are so lucky to have so many like important and really good on their own field people.
So I think it is also it will be my first DCI Berlin.
I just joined Molecule three and a half months ago.
Oh, more than three and a half months already.
So it will be also my first
DCI Berlin and also what really excites me is I know so many of these names virtually like I had
meetings with them I watched their podcast and now I'm gonna meet them in person and it will be Nice. That's awesome. My first intro to DSI was at DSI Berlin last year. And it's really nice. I
particularly enjoyed sort of the, I don't know, in general, it's a little bit more of like a
friendly environment than like other conferences that I've been to. So I had a really great time.
Everybody was super welcoming.
So I think that it's going to be great for you as well.
And I mean, the Molecule offices are just so beautiful.
Yeah, I don't want to like say,
but it is really, really super cool office to work at.
We are so lucky.
We already hosted hackathon in april and it is so interesting that you see
your office in a completely different setting full of people full of life that we normally
like go and work every day it is so cool to see it as a member to observe it it's really magical yeah um john sue i also
wanted to ask since you're so you're really new to dsci um i i actually was kind of curious maybe
if you wanted to share what sort of like brought you to to like working at molecule and you know
what what maybe some highlights or maybe lowlights
even of your experience have been so far yeah definitely i discovered dsai and molecule last
year about november when cz and metallic promoted us and when pump science really pumped. So I came across in LinkedIn.
And it is so unfortunate because I have been in academia for,
I had my master's in Germany and I didn't heard about DSI before.
And as a scientist, it is really sad that I didn't heard about it before.
And since I started to discover, I realized how big is the ecosystem
and how academics are so unaware of it,
how much they are unaware of the real world impacts already.
And when I started to dig a bit,
I was like, yeah, yes.
I mean, so many opportunities that we can have
by decentralizing the funding system and making science open, accessible.
Also, like the publishing system.
So everything that was promised with the side was already resonating with me, but I didn't know the answer.
Like these were the things we were discussing with my colleagues, like the publishing,
we were talking about it so much, but we didn't have any solution. Like I, with my lab mates,
we published a paper and it was so expensive to share your work with the world. And it doesn't
make any sense. Like we are paying something like thousands of euros so people can benefit from our work,
which we already paid for the lab equipment and everything.
So we were always discussing this stuff or we know so many amazing researchers
that they didn't have a chance to have proper funding because they like the network.
So many networking and politics of course
going on everywhere in the world not only in germany so we knew the challenges but we didn't
knew the answers and when i came across molecule and the psy ecosystem it was like yes that's the
solution and that's made me really passionate and I have been stalking molecules
since then and then when they had job opening I applied I think like two or three job openings I
applied for many things that I could do and yeah I feel so fortunate to be part of it
I would I dedicated to be a part of it in any way. Like if I wouldn't start working,
I would probably take the DSI Edu course. Like Etete I see here with us, our DSI Edu
participant. Yeah, it is really, it gave me so many answers that we were looking for for a long time.
I love it.
That's a, it feels like, it feels pretty similar to my story too.
As scientists, I think it's really easy to, you know, really only have the worldview of
your lab and maybe your field specific issues,
but the commonalities between the different fields are, you know, they're too similar to
ignore. So I think it's awesome that it's that, you know, Molecule's message was able to resonate
with you and D-Sci in general. I feel pretty similarly. I think this is something that I, you know, even if I wasn't with Molecule would be, you know,
now that I know about it and like championing everybody that I can, I can get to lend an ear.
It's especially like an interesting time in the US. We've kind of talked about it a little bit with like the NIH,
the National Institute of Health, like budget cuts and budget freezes that they've been going through.
And it's just really interesting that, you know, of all the things that were maybe
promised that haven't been delivered on, as far as like political administration goes, politikasının yönetimi düşünüyorum, DSAI'nın
şansı ve birçok bir şansı var.
Yani nasıl birçok şansı görmek için,
ve yardımcılara yardım edebiliriz.
DSAI'nın şansı var. This is Desai's moment. Let's grab it. Exactly. And I mean, I was studying in Germany, but before I'm originated from Turkey.
And since I discovered Desai, I'm actually thinking I want to do something in Turkey.
Because, okay, right now we have challenges everywhere.
I know Germany is also cutting budgets for the research.
That's what I heard from my supervisor. And U.S. now is facing billions of budget cuts.
But Turkey was already in a very disadvantaged position when I was also there because economically
it is not strong. Government funding is so low and so politically complicated.
Unfortunately, everything in Turkey is political these days.
And also like private foundations, they are not strong enough to fund the research
because we export everything from Europe.
For instance, the lab equipments and with the Turkish currency and everything.
It is so hard to conduct a lab in Turkey.
And especially I know so many amazing researchers that they have amazing ideas, but they cannot get the proper funding.
But it is also, it is also, DSAI is also starting to become something in Turkey.
I had a meeting with the founder of the DSAI Turkey a few weeks ago.
She's so passionate and so excited.
And I will try to support her as much as possible, of course.
And she's also, you know, what we had a few years ago,
she's now having that you know going to academics talking
about this side they get excited and then they hear blockchain and somehow they are like afraid
because they don't know yeah and it is always that was i think my one of my questions that i
asked in the interview to logan Ella, I don't remember,
like, how do you convince academics? Because I know they can be super conservative. When you say
funding, I can imagine their eyes glowing. And then when you say, you know, putting your
intellectual property on chain and having the funding not like sponsored research but with
milestones and everything i can imagine how they are intimidated unfortunately it is so yeah
it's so unfortunate that is that is pretty tough um who is the president of dsi turkey i'd love to
you know maybe give them a follow or or something yeah
neslisha switchmaz is her name cool she also has the side turkeys account and she is single-handedly
handling everything like when we met i asked how many of are you in the side turkey and she said I am this side Turkey he's really working so hard to make it happen
and yeah really I love it let's support yeah I mean in the younger generations crypto community
is now strong in Turkey but this side is not mainstream yet yeah i think i think you know science is still a kind of
intimidating topic for you know the less less specialized people um
so i'm glad that our dsci edu course included a little bit of like you know
general onboarding for scientific topics too yeah definitely because
it is hard you know you have some people with scientific background you have some people with
web3 background but being the bridge in between is really a job yeah and i mean you know us we
have years of scientific training and there's still a bunch
of stuff that we don't know so it's like you know exactly even the most the most trained scientists
also must have the i think humility to admit what they don't know and i think you know blockchain
is something that me as a non-web3 person i still with, with my mentees for the DCI-EDU course, I had to come
clean and be like, hey, if you need help on this, I'm going to outsource it because I just, I don't
know. I don't know what to do with you. Actually, you gave me a really good idea when you asked me
how I came across DCI. can you also share your story and maybe
also our listeners when they want to contribute you are very welcome we would love to hear your
story when did you discover the side what was your first impression what did you find that
resonated with you for instance yeah I'll go ahead and start.
And if anybody wants to come up and come and chat, please feel free.
For me, I maybe first I had not heard about DCI
until I applied to Molecule's Venture Fellow program.
So I initially was a part of Nucleate Chicago.
Nucleate, for those that don't know, is a science trainee-run organization. It's a non-profit,
and the goal of it is to support trainees and young entrepreneurs in getting their research
commercialized and hopefully turning into a business or a startup.
So I worked with Nucleate for about a year or at least an academic year.
And they partnered with Molecule for the, like, Nucleate Venture Fellows.
So our initial title was Nucleate Venture Fellows at Molecule.
So our initial title was Nucleate Venture Fellows at Molecule.
And so I applied for that.
And honestly, when I looked at the job thing, I did not realize that it was going to be about an on-chain sort of mechanism.
And so I'm like, you know, I do the interview.
I'm like, to be honest with you guys, I think I interviewed with Logan and Lucas.
And I just had to come clean again. Like, hey, I don't know anything about blockchain. And they actually were pretty receptive to that. I think this is a community that embraces people who are willing to admit that they don't know something. I think a lot of the fake expertise stuff can kind of throw people off so if you're just real and you're like oh yeah I don't know anything about this can you please teach me you can get a lot of like
really good help and so I um it started as a venture fellow um which uh was actually a year
ago this month uh so I've been with Molecule for about a year now. Welcome, Max.
Yeah, I'm an old head in the game these days. And honestly, I immediately after starting
with Molecule, I got the chance to fly to Berlin. First time in Europe ever. It was
really cool. And I then went to DCI Berlin,
met all of my, like a lot of the other fellows met the, you know,
our supervisors and the other people at Molecule met Paul, Benji,
found out that Benji basically lives like two blocks away from where I live in
Chicago. It was such a, such a small world,
such a small world um chicago boys um and then i you know kind of was a trial by fire for me um
Chicago boys.
instantly going into our fellowship we sort of we started out sort of in the way that the dc edu
course um is structured and that we you know had our like weekly learnings um so i got to learn
sort of the basics of like you you know, distributed ledger technology,
what it means to be on chain, why it sort of is a benefit of for, you know, funding mechanisms
on chain, which I think that what stood out to me is the milestone based, like, smart contract
stuff, the fact that you can sort of make sure that these researchers are
staying true to what they say they're going to deliver before you you know spend all their all
the people who contributed to the project's money on you know a nuke ferrari or something like that
um and i think also the publishing aspect open publishing I've had a lot of negative data in my graduate
experience. And I think that just the thought of being able to, all the work that I did,
and finding out what didn't work, or what maybe like what the, that these like, not necessarily
incorrect, but incorrect, in that specific context, hypotheses that I had, that really spoke to me because,
you know, it's a lot of work to do an experiment, whether it works or not. And I think that,
you know, incentivizing people to say why they think an experiment didn't work or, you know,
why people are maybe following a ineffective train of train of like mechanism, I think is
really important for actually making change because how many graduate students spent the
first three years of their, of their time that they could have been sort of like developing new
ideas, just trying to rehash and replicate old old stuff from like maybe even
earlier in the same lab that didn't necessarily work because you know reagents were old or you
know you didn't um wave a flag around the uh around the micro centrifuge before you before you turned
it on sort of those sort of things put a salt circle down, potassium chloride.
And then, yeah, so shortly after like learning the basics of blockchain, though,
we kind of got thrown into working on some catalyst projects. So we basically prepared the materials, the project data, the plans,
materials, the project data, the plans, the information and the budgets for the
different projects that were going to go up on Catalyst to be funded. And then right around when
you were getting into it, I think November of last year, there was a huge boom and all those
projects basically got fully funded in like overnight almost.
It was like a one week span where it was just like boom, boom, boom.
And this was after like months, months of no activity.
So it was really cool to see that.
And then, you know, sort of reality maybe came crashing down a little earlier this year. But we're still I still am really, really excited about,
you know, the the promise of DSI. I think that, you know, we're beginning to see the delivery
of those promises. Spinedow just finished their raise last week. That was awesome. Almost a
million dollars raised, which is crazy. 800,000 800, like 825,000, something like that, which is
really cool. I, I like what Spinedow has doing, has going on because they're sort of, a lot of
people I think are maybe incentivizing patients in their, in their sort of like incentive structure,
but Spinedow also has incentives for the providers. So like doctors that participate in,
find out also has incentives for the providers so like doctors that participate in uh in their
programming and stuff are gonna get some sort of sort of boon so i think that that's really cool
and honestly yeah i'm a year in and a lifetime to go in dsai so really excited for any future
opportunities that's amazing That's really amazing.
You know, especially that publishing the negative data thing that says, I mean, people
are so afraid of their data getting stolen because there is a publishing pressure, you
know, publish or perish pressure that really keeps people hesitant to publish
their data, like their preliminary data or in general.
Like I knew the professor from my institute, he was not attending conferences with posters
or talks before he had written an approved paper,
because he was so afraid that the data would be stolen
and someone would move very quickly.
But on the other hand, from the same lab, from his lab,
my friend started her PhD.
And after six months, the project that she was working on for six months was already
published from China and all that six months was wasted you know all those time all the lab
equipment everything is wasted just because they didn't know someone was already working on it
somewhere around the world and they were about
to finish i mean if they had a chance to know it of course they will design the project in another
way so they had to do it she had to start over with another project and it is really really sad
thinking all that all the equipment all the money all the time being wasted just because you are
hiding your stuff or, you know, imagine if someone already conducted an experiment that
already failed and I have no idea because no one talks about it, you know, no one published
a paper with a failed experiment and I tried the same
thing. Probably hundreds of researchers tried the same thing and failed and no one knows.
It is such a waste of collective time and money and resources, everything. It is really,
really sad.
Yeah, I think it's also sad because it cuts off the potential collaboration
like that lab could have worked with the people in China working on the same the same sort of
topic exactly and who knows like you know those different those different perspectives coming
could have you know made things accelerate or you know got taken it in a direction that you know the
individuals themselves probably would have never thought of it's just it's just kind of sad that veya kendilerinin kendilerini kendilerine bakmaktan bir şekilde
çok üzücü, bu kompetitif bir şekilde çalışmaların.
Kötülenceli bir şey. So if our listeners would like to contribute, we will really love it. What is your story?
What's brought you to the ecosystem and or this space?
Yeah, anything else?
And, you know, let us know if there's anything that you're,
we haven't talked about yet that you're particularly excited about in the space as well. and if not i'll just keep you happy so take your pick just joins we can repeat the same question
maybe damian would like to contribute oh yeah the question was, what brought you to the SAI?
What was your first impression?
If you would like to speak, we worries, gang.
What else do we got going on here?
Oh, Damian is speaking.
Okay, there we go.
We got a request from Ateta as well. How's it going, Damian is speaking. Okay, there we go. We got a request from Mateta as well.
How's it going, Damian? you want to go ahead
yeah um i didn't get the question i'm just coming in so i would like to get the question
then i can contribute to you yeah so we were just wondering maybe what brought you to dsai
what was your first impression oh oh cool um i came into this side from being um someone who is
an enthusiast um a lover of the web 3 space then coming from a background of biochemistry yeah so I I am a biochemistry I did
biochemistry my undergrad so coming from there I always looked out for a niche that could reasonably
where I studied here and then yeah I had this side and I was excited I said oh cool at least
I can relate it to it molecule I can relate it to it um all the dna trends you know yeah it
was fun and i am still around there since then as soon as i came in though i came in i was into
a tree during the d5 and then suddenly sometime 2022 they're about this size space started popping
up and yeah i like the father is still Yep. So that's why I came in.
Awesome.
Any current DCI projects you're working on
or you're excited about in particular?
OK, last time I had a check on GenomeDio.
I saw they're doing it.
It was cool.
Yeah.
Basically, I'm part of this side London
yeah I've seen the workshop listing to them and see what they're doing they're
doing amazing work getting amazing work my own I don't like basic research
personal research do have not brought it to the disease space yet I think the
area doing amazing work yeah and also thumbs
up to molecule yeah i see what molecule is doing also the molecule is doing amazing too
awesome appreciate it man um but tete you want to maybe share share your journey to dsai as well
Sure. Jim, Jim, everyone. Great to be here. Basically, I came to the DCI space from a
developer's background, from a web background. Basically, I am more of a dev rel, pushing
for developer communities and building projects along the way. So last year, one of the things I was pushing for was decentralized physical infrastructure,
the pin.
I was also pushing for real-world assets.
And then I came across designs.
I'm a very curious person, so I just kind of like looked into what designs was about.
I know last year there was a lot of stuff around DeFi, right?
So when I saw this science, I was like, okay, what's going on here?
And my curiosity led me to like, you know, research, check things out,
try to do some self-study.
And it was becoming very interesting to me because of the,
I believe that in this part of the world is actually what we need,
is going to solve a lot of problems for us that we currently face.
So it was very interesting to me.
So I pushed wanting to know more, not until this year,
not until this year when part of my research got me to Moleco, Bio.xyz, and the EduDeccience cohort.
And the cohort has been really, really enlightening, to be honest.
Before now, I thought I knew at least some stuff about this science, but now I think I know more.
But at the same time, I think i don't know a lot
right so i just have to keep pushing that but that's generally my my journey i mean the edu
cohort was really interesting for me because it's it gave me like access to like real scientists
people really doing the scientific stuff r&d uh different aspects of it. And I got to, I mean, I come from a developer's background.
And most times we really want to understand what maybe, for instance,
our client is talking about and they gave me like a deeper understanding
from daily interactions, discussions with people doing this stuff on a daily basis.
I think it really helped improve my knowledge on this science.
And then I am really looking forward to it
because I think, like I said,
there is so much potential for this science
in this part of the world.
So, we're still pushing, looking at what we can do.
Currently, there is a project,
the one I was working with before now, Sudatics.
Basically, Sudatics is for validity of research and survey data, right?
So it kind of incentivizes people to participate in surveys and then checks also the validity of the survey.
So I think that's pretty much my journey so far.
But I'm intending to do more.
It's just my stepping stone right now.
Nice.
Thank you for sharing.
Yeah, we were happy to have you in the DSI-EU first cohort.
You were always a really great contributor.
And I was going to ask if you're looking to stay in the DSI space after all you've learned
and all you realize that've still got to learn.
But it seems like you are, so that's great.
I'm excited.
Any particular projects that you're excited about in the space right now?
Yeah, to be honest, I've seen a lot of interesting projects.
I've been following up on Spine DAO and Seribloom DAO.
Those are the ones I'm really, really following up, but I see a lot.
But so far, the Spine DAO and Seribloom DAO has really, really caught my fancy.
I mean, I'd like to look into Vita DAO, but one at a time for now.
I'm sure I'll go through a lot of them.
For sure.
It feels like Vita DAO has a plet...
They have like a multitude of contributors
being the sort of like, you know, old head in the game.
And I agree with you.
A couple of my goats are Cerebrum DAO and Spine DAO.
But I think one that I'm also really interested in that I haven't heard people talk about as much is Valley Dao,
who are doing more of the like eco-friendly sort of research.
I think their token is HEMPI for their project where they're doing like sustainable thread, like sustainable hemp threads for
clothing.
They're like pioneering a new way to make hemp clothing, which is, you know, better and
more sustainable than some of the current fabrics that we use more comfortable.
And those are sort of the, I'm excited about those projects too, because those are the
ones that are, people don't necessarily see them as like
as scientific but i think that those are the ones that are going to give us our some of our best uh
like tangible outcomes in a in a quicker span of time than maybe like a new therapeutic
yeah so um colin i was just gonna ask wait yeah you were referring to hem knits right
yes i mean the the cotton from hem like hem knit because i saw there was a project i came across
um called hem knit basically they're making fabric from hemp.
I don't know if it was created.
I don't know if that's the one you're talking about.
Yeah, that is the one.
Yeah, Hemp Knit is the full name.
I think they went with the token Hempi for trading and stuff like that.
Yeah, they're additionally additionally one of the like
first projects that went up, not first,
but like they're one of the projects that initially went up
with the other catalyst projects
when I first started at Molecule.
And it's really cool to see just sort of,
I think, you know, when we say D-Sci,
a lot of people think, you know, biotech, healthcare sort of stuff, but it's cool to see
that science, you know, D-Sci, much like regular science, can encompass a lot of different areas
that, you know, contribute to the quality of life that we can have and, you know, the ways in which we
can start thinking of like manufacturing in a way that, you know, doesn't hurt the planet as much.
So yeah, thank you guys. Thank you guys for sharing. Any other questions while we've got
you up here? Anything you're curious about that maybe me or Johnson can answer?
I think I'm pretty good for now. I know I have this stuff to do with my team from the edu cohorts we have this project we're trying to make sure
we just try to put out the best project so that's what i'm currently working on can't share that on
x i don't know if my team members would like that so um yeah thank you yeah keep that one close to
the chest we've got some really cool projects running with our DSI-EDU course.
Sort of the capstone final assignment for everybody is to separate into teams where they are working on almost like a business proposal style around a project or problem in the DSI space.
or problem in the DSI space.
So we're hoping that through this, you know,
people can leave the DSI ADU course with not only the knowledge that they've gained,
but also like a tangible product that they've, you know,
produced due to the, like the fruits of their educational labor,
which can then sort of be used as, you know,
you can use it as an example of the work that you've done previously, as well as sort of, you know, maybe being able to, you know, spin this off into, you know,
a solution right out the gate, which I think would be really cool. But I'm excited to see how the
Capstone projects play out. The EDU course has been really, really, really cool. I never really imagined myself as
much of an educator, but I've really enjoyed getting to see sort of the spark of curiosity
gets lit in all these new people in the space. It's really cool.
new people in the space.
It's really cool.
And many appreciations to Etete,
who is always contributing in the Discord
and, like, making sure that, you know,
the discussions and stuff like that are interesting.
So it's been really great to have you.
Yeah, thank you very much. It's been really great to have you. Yeah, thank you very much.
It's always great.
I mean, for people that are not actually in the Discord,
you guys are really missing because there's a lot going on there.
There's a lot of conversations, interesting conversations
that could actually spark or could actually evolve into.
I see so many conversations that are going to eventually evolve into a project.
It's just a matter of time.
So I do encourage others to join the Discord.
I mean, I know it has been enlightening for me, so I do encourage every other person to
join the Discord.
Awesome. every other person to join the Discord, yeah.
Awesome. Chantu, do you have any other questions
or things that you want to know about?
For now, no.
But I think I got curious on the Discord.
I used to be... I think I'm still
part of the discord here who have not been very active. I think, thank you, Etete, I'm
going to get very active there. I like discussion around this. I still have a lot of things
and personally need to find out about this. Personally, I have interest with nanotechnology, the nanotech stuff.
That's my area of interest.
So I think I would love to engage in such discussion
because I've been looking for well-suited, vibrant communities that does discussion.
Most of the communities I'm part of, I think what they do is usually workshop,
not usually virtual.
And they are in locations where you can't necessarily
you might not be able to get there or you're not available and then you don't have access to some
certain things there yeah so this this could work uh it can help i would really need it and i know
a lot of people who would love to be part here nice yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Get active in that Discord. I always tell people
if all else fails, at me, and I will, you know, have a chat with you, you know, so we'll get some
back and forth going. It's really cool that you're interested in nanotechnology, too. That's
something that I particularly also find really fascinating. At Northwestern, we have a couple of really cool labs
in the chemistry department that are coming up
with like nano peptides that are able to like
specifically deliver like drug payloads to, you know,
more specific areas than, you know,
just delivering the drug via intravenous injection
or something like that, which is really cool.
And the possibilities with that sort of technology
I think are just so fascinating.
So thank you for sharing, it's really cool.
So we have a couple of new people in here as well.
RA Ramazan, McAnthony, any of y'all want to come up and maybe share your how you got
to DSi, you know, what's your current, like, work is looking like in any projects
maybe that you're excited about in the space.
If you want to, you can request and I will bring you on up.
I'm still kind of new to hosting spaces, so.
I'll just give all y'all an invite.
yeah hey how's it going uh good how's it going good man
yeah i mean i just joined because i just found out you know molecule is hosting a
on office hours but yeah basically i mean i go into this i i think i got you know, Molecule is hosting an office hours. But, yeah, basically, I mean, I go into DSI.
I think I got, you know, wind of DSI in 2023.
Back then, it was through a doubt, cannabis doubt.
But, yeah, I didn't really get involved much
until the DSI-ADU program by Molecule,
which I am a part of, along with Tete as well.
He's my guy as well.
Yeah.
So really excited to, you know, to engage further in the D-Site space, you know,
because I have like a background in biology and biotechnology, you know.
you know so really I'm very experienced in web 3 as well so very excited to
So really, I'm very experienced in Web3 as well.
merge those backgrounds together and you know basically push for DCI adoption so
yeah that's me in a nutshell that's great you sound like a triple threat my
friend you got it you got it all bio biotech and web 3.0 any particular
projects in like you know the space that you're excited about right now
any any that you joined because of the dc edu course or anything like that
uh i mean um key keyhole brought me on board um microbiome dow nice i'm not coming yeah so really
excited about microbiome dow you know for the guts, bacterias in the body and the health, you know, all those fun stuff.
So, yeah, really excited about Microbiome DAO and hopefully, yeah, it kicks off properly.
Awesome. And I was actually wondering, you said Atete is your guy.
Did you feel like you were able to sort of like make a real connection with folks during the
DCIEDU course? Yeah, I mean, of course we did. We had people in our geographical region,
me, myself, him, and some other people as well. We had a private call just basically to brainstorm
how we can push on DC-side adoption in the region,
you know.
So, yeah, we've spoken a lot.
We're also in a group chat, you know, just a private group chat among ourselves as well.
You know, so I think it was pretty easy to make connections with these people and these
guys.
So, yeah, very excited to, you know, work together with them to, you know, to work on
more stuff.
I love it.
That's awesome.
That's music to my ears, guys.
So what's the dish here?
You guys just, you know, chilling?
Yeah.
Just talking?
Yeah.
So usually Kehoe joins us, joins me for the, you know, the co-host.
We usually just sort of, you know, wax about some questions
in DSI. Today, Jansu from Molecules joining me. So we've just sort of been like maybe going over
like, you know, what brought us to DSI, what resonated the most, and then sort of, you know,
general like projects we're excited about. So this has been a little bit less of a like, you know, general like projects we're excited about.
So this is this has been a little bit less of a like, you know, office hour one.
It's a little bit more about let's get to know each other.
But I think it's good to, you know, reintroduce, you know, how people came to the space, what they're what they're still excited about.
Maybe how the space hasn't yet delivered some things for people, because, you know, I think it's all well and
good to sing praises, but we also need to make sure that we're holding the, you know,
the promises that the DSi community is making to, you know, hold them accountable for what
they say they're going to do.
So just cool to sit and chat.
Yeah.
I mean, Any questions?
Anything you're curious about, too?
No, actually, not really a question.
But, I mean, I know Shansu.
I know Ella as well.
Yeah.
Are you also a part of Molecule as well?
met you before yes i am i'm uh um i'm one of the venture fellows along with kehoe so that's that's
Because I don't think I've met you before.
Yes, I am. I'm one of the Venture Fellows along with Kehoe.
my guy as far as like uh you know the connections that i've made so i was one of the um one of the
mentors for a few people in the cohort as well um oh you're on the mentor program as well since i am
uh us-based a lot of the like timing for the course actual recordings and stuff like that were not super conducive to me attending.
So I mostly just watch the recordings after the fact.
Okay. Well, this week is Project Week, Capstone Week.
Yeah.
So we've been busy.
Yeah, I was about to say.
We've been doing a lot of work.
How are things going with your project so far?
You don't have to share like any specifics.
Yeah.
You know, you like your group, you like your project.
Yeah, of course.
I mean, we like the idea and the group is really super helpful.
I mean, we had a lot of brainstorming because we're trying to decide.
There's a lot of ways the product can go, you know.
So we're trying to decide the best possible one that's realistic at the same time, you know.
So it was really fun, you know, brainstorming and all that.
But yeah, eventually we picked a part and we're basically forging ahead.
So yeah, it's really fun.
It's really fun.
Love it.
That's great to hear.
That's great to hear.
I mean, my group is just four.
We have two software guys, and then we have someone with experience in project management, and then we have a research and development expert.
But I think our first conversation went pretty much good
like i said i don't want to share details i don't know if my team would be happy with that i mean
we are still making some updates to it so but basically uh we we are just looking at
an evolution in terms of medical data, right?
So that's much I can't say
without, I don't know, offsetting
the team. Yeah, keep it close to the chat.
But it's going
great so far.
We have another call
tomorrow.
We are putting things together
in this slide and everybody
has, at least everybody has something they are focused on at the moment in terms of
the Capstone project.
Awesome. Yeah, that's great to hear.
Actually, what's up?
Okay.
Oh, imagine if you guys were like, oh, my team sucks. This is terrible.
You're nice, guys. I appreciate that. Yeah, that's that's really cool. I'm glad that things are going well for you guys.
that, you know, not to toot our own horn, but we really wanted people who would, you know, be willing
to put in the work that it takes to sort of like get things across the finish line in DSI.
And I think that, you know, the group that started in this initial DSI EDU cohort is really strong.
So I'm excited to see the like end result of you guys' capstone projects. And honestly, I'm looking forward to any work that I can do with you all in the future.
I'm about to finish my PhD.
And I'm now in the process of looking for other opportunities outside.
So if you guys need someone with biology expertise and a little bit of operations experience,
just let me know and we can wrap on a project together.
Even if you just want some advice on something that you're thinking about, happy to help.
Awesome, awesome, awesome.
Also, another question, awesome. Also, another question actually. In ways for people to, you know, participate.
I mean, lots of job openings as well.
Lots of builder opportunities if you're a dev or something like that.
How do you see the Desai space right now in terms of that?
Is there, like, a lot of opportunities being?
Because, like, I use, like, opportunities like a benchmark for, you know for progress in any ecosystem.
So what do you think it looks like right now for Desai?
I think right now it's kind of a mixed bag.
I think there's plenty of projects that are exciting and that would be happy to take on people.
But I think also that there is currently not a lot of,
and this is just my opinion,
there's currently not a lot of like cashflow
being sort of like brought into the industry
on a large level.
And I think that that is sort of like the limiting reaction
for, you know, paid opportunities for people.
I think that there's reaction for, you know, paid opportunities for people. I think that
there's plenty of, you know, volunteer or altruistic opportunities, but we'll really
know that we're blowing up when people are hiring like, you know, employee four and five for their
companies. We have a lot of teams that are, you know, a singular researcher, a, you know,
a web three developer person, and then a, you know, a communications sort of like lead or something like that.
And, you know, I think that for DSI, a lot of the point is to keep that, you know, a
little less top heavy than some more traditional biotechs.
But I think that, you know, there's no limit to the number of like, you know, projects that need, you know,
either more ideas or more contributors to, you know, what they've got going on right now.
But it's also just sort of tough if you're looking to make it your, you know, full-time gig.
I think that that is still a little bit of a ways away for people. So we're kind of in a
ways away for people. So we're kind of in a, an adolescence, I think, you know, it's no longer
baby stages of, of BSI, but not yet full, full on adulthood where, you know, you're a taxpaying,
you know, person that can afford rent or to buy a house as far as like BSI opportunities go.
So that's what I'm thinking john sue any any thoughts on that
yeah i mean like i think i understand quite clearly because um back in
let's even say 2018 let's come as recent as 2018 in in crypto there are not like a lot of
opportunities i mean people were building but there was not like a lot of opportunities for
paid jobs you know but right now fast forward you know, five years later and there are like tons of gigs, you know,
most of them, some are volunteers as well, but there, you know, there's more cash flow
in the industry and it like, it tells a story basically of like an upward growth, right?
So, I mean, I'm more or less expecting the same for D-Site as well, you know, just, you
know, wants to get your thoughts on it.
Yeah, me too. I think that, you know, there's a saying, yousai as well you know just you know wants to get your thoughts on it yeah me too i think that you know there's a saying you're not wrong you're just early i think that it's still early for dsai and i i also think that a lot of the more recent projects in my
opinion are a step in the right direction like the the actual use case of, you know, crypto in
science and like on chains sort of mechanisms.
Because I think before, you know, some projects maybe were more traditionally designed projects
with a, you know, blockchain wrapper thrown onto it.
Like, you know, we can't just have a normal, it can't just be a normal study that then goes on chain because all of the sort
of assumptions with that study are assumptions that are based on, you know, the funding mechanisms
of, you know, more traditional, the, all the way down to, you know, how you patent things,
how you pay for those patents, how you then, you know, how you patent things, how you pay for those patents,
how you then, you know, raise your funding through your like grants that you would get
and how you then like translate and commercialize your stuff.
What's cool, I think that there's a lot of places that are now thinking like
how we can incorporate the on-chain mechanisms as early as possible.
And I think that that's how DSi is going to actually
show that it's worth using, is that it not only makes all these disparate parts of doing research
easier, but it makes them all easier for any particular person, no matter where they're at
in the process of building their idea out. And so as soon as you know people catch on to that i think
it's going to be like things popping up like hotcakes yep yep totally um um i agree 100 um
i think probably uh what's it called there'll be like the time where, I mean, we already have the first explosion point where Vitalik and CZ, you know, talked about it as well.
But eventually I think there'll be some like a second boom cycle or something for Desai.
And then, you know, that really sets it apart from, you know, all the trends as well.
Really looking forward to it as well, you know, because like I believe there there's like a lot of potential in this side as well. So yeah,
excited about that.
Yeah. Exciting times. Um,
we're kind of approaching the top of the hour here. Um,
anybody got anything else they'd like to sort of say before we start wrapping up
for the, for the day?
Damien, I see you raising your hand.
You got some more thoughts for us?
What's up?
Yeah, I think I agree with Mark Tony.
Oh no.
I'll let you back up. Yeah, you're back. Yes. and this is space this i struggle to get funding this side project struggle to get funding
and i think a lot the number of hackers are happening it's very few and in terms of funding it's very like it's the process is not here process is not here to get funding as a decide project
is not here to get funding as a decide project um i think the only easy part i've seen is that
the one done by gitcoin yeah the kids going around the gg23 that happened i think that's one of the
few places and that favors more of regenerative projects compared to this side although we have
some this side around it here and that but that is one major issue of saying it's
hard for this side project to get funding or this project to release funding for a lot of things
and when it comes to adoption this is not getting the adoption it needs like it's very slow unlike
the defy space the device space has massive push and this side is not getting it right because one
is the concept
is yet to be understood by a lot of users here a lot of users who are coming to this
space there's a lot of things they need to understand about this side and the concept
is still hard and there is no much irl events irl events are very few in the design space
here yeah you hardly see a design event i don't think i've seen anyone around here i've not i've
not i've not at all so that's it and if you need to push a narrative you need to push a system
you need adoption you need to keep it keep talking about it with people so they can understand it
better most times the first time you tell you tell them they might not really get it it has to take
time you have to do it again
over and over again and ira events are one of the best ways to do that um i want to take example the
solana ecosystem those guys booming cause they have this lot a lot of things and i have this
side researchers now i know that um research hub is doing stuff here and when you research when you
write you get paid but it's a long process i i tried getting in there
and i found out those who getting uh if you're just basic into the research system or you just
come in you came to the web tree and you like the research system you want to walk in you won't be
able to get in cause you need to have um there's a lot of web two particles i think there's a lot of
um web two should i call it cobweb holding the decide
system yeah yeah i'll take a research for example um
so it's not giving that flexibility that decentralization is preaching and that's
one of the issues so adoption is slow, one, it's hard to find
grants and the hackathons have just very few years. So that's my...
Yeah, that totally resonates with me as well. Adaption is something that I think is more people using and talking about the Desai space and actually seeing the usefulness in it is going to be what pushes us to the next phase.
And so I think maybe something to leave on for next time.
We'll be back here next week.
Same time, same place.
Maybe thinking of ways we can push more adoption.
I like the idea of more IRL events, and I like, you know, the idea of more hackathons.
Bio just finished, or I think they've still got a hackathon going up that's going to be
finished around the time DeCyberlin is starting.
And they've already sort of come out with Eliza OS, which is the thing that helps agentic AI to skim through like scientific papers.
And I think, you know, maybe pushing some of those things could be what gets more people to be interested and start to like actually adopt and use the, you know, the resources that the DSI field is starting to create.
But yeah, I think with that, we'll go ahead and wrap it up for the week.
Thanks everybody so much for coming on and chatting. It was a little more intimate this time,
which I really enjoy. Next week, Kehoe, I think, will be back with us to provide his insights and his thoughts.
So that's not going to be one you want to miss.
And yeah, any other questions, just at me or at Molecule.
And thanks, everybody, for tuning in.
All right. Bye. See you later.
See you.
Bye, guys. Thanks for having us.
Thank you so much. Thank you.
