Hello everyone. Welcome. Hey, what's up, everyone? Good morning, good morning. GM.
Let's wait a little bit for everybody to jump in.
Okay, is that you and the audience? GMG?
Good morning, Musashi. Good morning. What's up, man? How you been?
Thank you. Have you been?
a long time. Yes sir. Not too bad, do you know? AQ, long time. How's things?
A mochi. Is that player zero? Zero. What's good? We have a letter of all time in the audience.
Okay, more people coming in welcome everyone.
or third, tweeter space, and this one is warming up for metaphors. So today we have very interesting topics, coordination, AI, and humanity.
An amazing group of speakers. We have player zero from Machi. We have Peth, Summoner of MetaGame, and we have with us also MetaDreamer. Thank you all, MetaDreamer is
One of the OG players of MetaGame, he's a Dow Engineer, a Designer working on building Dow tooling and Metaverse,
with MetaFactory and Ulta Cardinate. So welcome everyone. And also one of our founding players.
Glad to have you here, Metadreamer.
Thank you. I'm super hyped for Metafest. I still remember originally before first reading the docs and I was like, "Oh, we'll have Metafest." See if finally happening. It's pretty dope. I'm on the first one too.
had in high fidelity just like that top down thing. That was fun. Yeah. Were you there at that time? I don't remember. I wasn't at the location yet. No, no, I mean, back when we had the OG meta-fess,
I think I came in at the end and I was I was active in the second one. Nice. A lot of fun. For sure. T3 joining as a speaker as well.
Okay, what's up, the principal, good to see you. Education is actually a thing. Okay, so. I'll be talking about some. Yeah, get up here, please.
Yes, I'm inviting him to talk about seeing that word.
Welcome. There is. Thank you.
Okay, so shall we start with today's Twitter space as we as I said we are warming up for metaphors and in case you still don't know what metaphors is run right now and go to metaphors.wtf and
get hyped with us. Today we're taking coordination AI and humanity and for that we have metadreamer, Peth and player zero from Mucci. So please let's go one by one and
to introduce yourselves and please also path talk to us a bit about a quick summary of what metaphys is and what we can hope for August in creation.
Sounds good. Yeah, Merafest is a festival for Dao, Eastern region primarily. So we bring people from the DAO space, from the region space, but also trying to bring people from like the decentralized organizations from before crypto, like the regenerative projects from
outside Rify and also like people from the game be space to have a bit of a bigger picture thinking there. I mean, regeneration is big picture enough but you get the point.
And there are three day events that are going to be like the usual talks, workshops, panels and all that sort of stuff but also a lot of other random fun activities is going to be happening on this 200 years old fortress on the coastal Croatia.
And like as MD said, I've been wanting to do it for years, this is way before COVID, and now it's finally happening, and it's happening in August. So yeah, it takes a little more than welcome to join.
What did you see? I had peaks these enough. Yeah. You heard it hot and shit. It's like, you know, bull market vibes.
But crazy because like gas today like it's crazy high and the whole all like meme coin right like the meme coin stage of the market now you know time for rugs
Yeah, you know, so you've been going crazy the past few weeks or maybe not even weeks but like the past two weeks is really like insane. I literally just found out now I've been completely
I do not know that. But yeah, this is one like random people, like random rumies are getting to the market. But anyways.
Some people making meals and some people getting robbed. So yeah, I guess I'll go and enter myself. I've been working in the dow space for like three years.
maybe almost four years now. joined it actually through MetaGame so you know was this following MetaCartel and a bunch of people on Twitter seeing what was going on and you know read a lot of the piece like original articles and you know that was like you know
reading something that was like, you know, as if it was like my own inner thoughts that I never set out loud. So that was like really resonated with me and, you know, joined in through there. And then from there, started Matter Factory, worked with a bunch of other like tattooing
teams to build out some cool stuff to essentially realize the meta game. And I still see pretty much like everything I do in part as just moving closer towards that same vision of meta game. So yeah, that's what brings me here.
Thank you for being here with us. Medagame is bigger than Medagame. Always once.
Yeah, there's a reason for the octopus being the image, right?
So welcome Player 0, please introduce yourself.
So that's up everyone. Play zero, play zero X and yeah, usually I go by Gabriel. It's my human name, but on the meta webs you can call me play zero. See, I've been in the space for too long arguably and
And I'm still kept around by I think projects like MetaGame and everything that's kind of circle around it. Just this idea of like everything turning into a game is like very salient and interesting to me. And well with Mochi we've been building something like a general purpose coordination game.
for a minute now and it's been delightful to see it getting used in a different context in the Mediguin ecosystem and I just got off a call with actually the Crosshouse folks or another DAO where they're kind of using it as a viral engine
And we just announced this week also kind of like an attention training program that we're doing related to AI. So I think that'll be maybe relevant for the conversation. But yeah, met a dreamer, I think last year, and we kind of well, we connected on Dows first and then dream.
second. So I'm an avid dreamer, like to practice lucid dreaming. I was just like glancing over your text, met a dreamer and I was like, oh, you're having super ounces. Me too. I have like one through twice a week or not a week a month, got per week that would be horrible.
Yeah, very much looking forward to joining you all in Croatia. It's been almost 10 years, last time that I went there. I went for a festival garden. It was beautiful. Yeah, it's cool that you guys are doing this in the same place they hold dimensions. So, very, very, very exciting and thank you for having me.
Thank you for joining us.
metadreamer, were you going to say something?
Sorry, I just I just accidentally trauma Mike. Okay. Good. Um, so much.
We've actually had a great experience with Machi on our server on MetaGame and I have to say we're all
Hi, it's using mochi. We all make to work on different goals and we still keep using it and I want to talk a bit more about that about coordination.
games. How do we explain coordination games? How could we use games to coordinate better as humans? So I guess I'm going to ask this to Pat.
because we hear at MetaGame we talk about finding the best ways to play life. So I'm going to open the question with PEP and then I would like to listen to Player 0.
That's a good question. That's a good question. A coordination game, I would say games but not in a traditional sense of the word I guess.
but they could even be thought of like in some like because coordination games are necessarily even... - PFA speaking. - Oh, what's happening? - I can hear you, okay.
Okay, that's good Twitter rugs Are you hearing me now, Pindy? I do hear please. Yeah
I think Mediterine or Mike B is rugged on his hearing end. Vanessa, are you playing a different hearing? Yes, I'm playing a different hearing. Yeah, coordination game. So like even though like Medagame is the coordination game.
the mochi is a coordination game like not all coordination games are necessarily technological I think they could even be like social protocols but the goal is always like to for a coordination game to like create some kind of a in some way
We get people to coordinate over some specific goal, but in our case, so the game is fine, and trying to make it as fun as possible. So, yeah, trying to make doing good, important things more fun, I think that's a good way for making sure things happen.
Speaking of doing a little bit of good and gamification, I would like everyone to check out a few of the pen to tweets at the top of the spaces and please share this Twitter space
itself on your feed so that other good metafam can come in and check out what we're doing here. Thank you everyone for showing up today and yeah, I would love to hear more.
So let's hear player zero talking a bit about mochi and how can mochi hate teams coordinate better.
Definitely. I was just trying to share the thing, but I'll do it after I guess. Yeah, let me know if you guys can't hear me. Okay, but so coordination games. The idea for me ended up becoming really solid. I think this time
around last year. We kind of made our first attempt at putting Mochi out into the world because prior to us having Mochi and different servers and stuff like that, we built it for ourselves to begin with inside our own community.
It kind of emerged out of I think the pandemic and kind of like just the strange like The big push towards increasing virtualization and just being a bit more remote when we're working together and You know you all know the experience of like being in crypto and you know meeting people in different places and then all of your best friends somehow live all over the world
It's really amazing when you get to see them and it's sad when you don't get to see them for the while. We made a virtual club and tried to figure out a way where we could just stay in touch and keep working on things together even after we had gone our separate ways. Mochi was what came up.
And when we first started trying to put this out into the market, really this time last year when we were coming out of seed club, the first thing you have to do is figure out, well, how do we talk about ourselves? And what category do we put ourselves in? And I think around that time, Dow tooling was
still being talked about, it was still very much all over, you know, crypto influencer, twitter and stuff. But the problem is I think it was we were kind of towards the end of that hype cycle. And we just had kind of started fundraising a little bit too late when we started talking about it. But people kept wanting to throw us into
tooling and I looked at everything that was getting made and done tooling and I said is this really what we're building and it didn't really fit, it didn't really feel like it fit too well. And I think kind of the mental model of tools, I think is probably the easiest thing for us to think about, we think about ourselves
was builders and we have all these analogies of kind of like you know, architecting infrastructure and things like that, it's all very material. And there's a certain element of dynamism that was not present in this idea of a tool that I felt was much more present in this idea of a game and you know,
I think at its core, if I had to pick an avatar and archetype for the kind of person that is attracted to Mochi, it's kind of childlike, it's like you're kind of a child in some strange way. It's meant to be playful, it's meant to be fun. I felt like games
spoke more to the our approach to problem solving when it comes to coordination more so than tools. And the reason why games is because well one it has the playful has the fun elements. But when you look at games right we play games to simulate highly complex
social situations that we encounter in the real world. And sure, we play games for fun and for entertainment and to kind of like disconnect and stuff. But we also play games to kind of like test out and experiment and like, you know, be kind of like in a fake social situation.
We can see how do we react what is the appropriate way to do this how do I climb the levels how do I level up so on and so forth how do I deal with teams stuff like that so games i think from you know when you're a little kid playing little board games all the way up to when you're adult and you're playing political games in the
You know, in the organization that you belong to, it's all there's an element of dynamism and play that is always kind of like in the mix that I think has captured more neatly about this idea, like the coordination game. There was also when we were developing Mochi, I started getting into and I'll try to wrap this into like AI.
and the coordination stuff too. I got really inspired by the deep-mind story of AI beating finally the best player in the world for Go. So I started playing Go and Go is one of the oldest games I think we have. It might be the oldest game that we shared together.
that came out of the Asian world. It's about as simple as a game that you can get, but within that simple game, you learn so much about how to make strong groups and how to take over territory and how to relate to people
And it comes from a simple rule set, a 19 by 19 wooden board with lines across it, and one player places a piece and another places a piece, and another places a piece, and through that whole experience you learn how to get make friends, how to make strong groups.
how to not stray too far away, what is a risky kind of like going too far and things like this. And we learn all of this kind of stuff through very simple games. So when we're thinking about I think world building and making new kind of crypto economic systems and things like that,
There's this kind of impetus to make it as complex as possible because it is a very complex thing. But really when you boil it down, it comes down to very simple rules, a set of rules, a set of instructions, and then a game that you play in relation socially with another person. So that's kind of the approach and the mental model that where you
using when we're building mochi. And you know, from a very set of simple rules, you check in every day, you put some money down, you do your check in, you're in some money, if you don't do your check in, you lose some money. You start to see emergent kind of behavior that comes out of it that can lead to much more interesting and complex social arrangements and
but the kind of the idea about it has been keep it as simple as possible, let the complexity emerge around it and you know allow us to coordinate around just the very simple act of showing up. So I would say that's the ethic and that was kind of like our idea behind the whole kind of like coordination game thing.
Thank you. I think it's really interesting this idea of using technology to coordinate better as humans, you know, to have a better
relationship with each other and using these tools and about that I would like to ask Metadreamer
or what do we have to keep in mind to
building to keep building these tools for
Yeah, so I think one big thing is always just the mentality going into it. I think just from past experience a lot of people have a very scarcity mindset and kind of
There are some mindset where they think it's either one or the other or they don't think of things as truly positive. So I think the reality is kind of what you project onto it. So if you believe things are scarce and things will be
But if you believe things are abundant, then things will be abundant. So in that sense, just having like this abundance mindset is, I think, very critical to the whole process. Yeah.
I mean, building off that, the whole idea of, you know, focusing on abundance. There's like a story I heard basically where there's two kids. One of them is given a slice of a cake and the other is given
a cake with one slice cut out. And then the guy with the cake with one slice cut out is crying because he doesn't have a whole cake versus the guy with one slice is happy because he has cake. And so basically it's a, even though the guy had more, he's like more upset about it. So
The thing that you focus on grows. So I think when we're especially in the Dallas space when you talk about coordination where a lot of time the focus is on slaying malloc, you know, or like coordination failure and how do you solve for coordination failure. I think it would serve us well to have
kind of a mindset shift towards like sort of fighting coordination failure kind of celebrating or uplifting coordination success. And so that's like, I think interesting like mindset shift to think about and to kind of employ as well.
Because when you do that, it kind of brings a lot more positive outcomes. It's just like what percentage of your brain is like taken up by negative thought space versus plot of thought space. And you can kind of extrapolate from there.
So a lot of the chats that we've had today have been like kind of permaculture oriented and permaculture definitely has an ethic that is focused around permaculture. We have lots of interesting people in the audience today. I would like to invite some of them up to speak if they'd like to.
on these ethics of abundance and working out here in the metosphere. But yeah, I definitely agree with focusing on the positive and focusing on the abundance and the winds, the coordination winds that we have. Growing that infiginate garden and destroying molloc.
along the way. Yeah. And I think there's also, so that's like one kind of abundance and there's like the more sort of practical abundance, you know, like, like Qatar, for example, this around them, small country in the desert, not too many people, maybe like 100,000, but then they just become incredibly rich because
they hit a natural gas resource and that's made them one of the most wealthiest and most abundant. So I think one similar development for the whole wide world is what's going on in AI because all this stuff with LL
and chat GPT, it's essentially an abundance of intelligence now available for us. And the cost of intelligence has gone down drastically. So I think that's going to have a lot of paradigm shifts into, as a result of that.
So focusing on kind of the positive paradigm shifts that we can have in community and with the utility of AI, what are your like, I suppose biggest dreams or highest aspirations for, I don't know, like local scale production, micro factories, 3D
production, you know, kind of ethics like material where we can kind of return to a space where we make high quality well-tracked products where instead of, you know, having to grind something out and sell it as a piece of trash so that we can make a profit, we can return to some kind of space
of making highly durable products that makes sense for humanity on the ground on a local sense. Yeah, for sure. The whole supply chain and production and consumer goods and that whole space
is very interesting to me. That's a lot of my folks that matter factory. And just because fundamentally it's how do we move atoms in the world? What do we choose to do with those atoms? What do we create? What do we destroy? What is shipping stuff? Not just shipping software, but
shipping physical items around. It's literally just coordination of the atoms moving around in the world. So once you can create better avenues for that or integrate that aspect of humanity into Web3 stuff with verifiability and even the whole idea of one man's trash
is another man's treasure is like very true and I think it was the name for material that like said this thing where you can essentially it's like a information asymmetry problem like everything someone has someone else in the world like that's used for it if there's a way to kind of connect those two things so this kind of I always like to quote it but
Buckminster Fuller's World Game, that's the same idea. You need a full map of the world and all its resources and the qualities and quantities and people and skills. Once you have that map, you can solve for it or optimize it. That to me is very meta game as well.
state what is the state of the world game and having that on chain and then be able to coordinate on top of that I think is gonna be pretty like like that's really what will take crypto and to start making real world difference you know until we start bridging over to the real world and moving atoms in the real world with crypto or you know leveraging crypto
So then everything is just existing of vacuum and doesn't really have any impact in the real world. I feel like I've mentioned Buckminster Fuller in the world game and cryptocurrency like three or four times in the last couple of days.
And I think it was attributed to you and I super appreciate that you said this you said if your Dow isn't moving atoms in the real world You're not doing enough I super appreciate that because I think the next huge adoption layer in the next abstraction that's gonna happen is when all
of this incredible technology touches people's personal lives on the ground. Yeah, and shout out to Zach from Coordinay. That's where I originally got the Buckminster Fuller reference. So that even this is like the supply chain of like the physical side of what you have and then
The supply chain of like the contributions or you know being able to map both out it's like kind of the same tools you need for it where you can track like where this good was created and where it's been in ownership history and all that sustainability but then you can also track you know this idea or concept or whatever it was and reference
have linkable references and ideas space. That's interesting. And there's some cool NFT projects around that too, actually. Or it's like distributed writing and knowledge graphs as like an NFT network, both like ONA and coordinator on it. So yeah.
Right, people think that like a meta game is visionary or like some of this stuff is visionary but like this guy came up with the world game is fucking 1961. Like these ideas are old. It's just that we are finally now like getting these technologies that actually enable us to build them.
Yeah, and I was talking about this to you in DMs, but how other some it's really like all the answers are in the past for us like a lot of these older philosophies had the the exact kind of truth and solution and you know understanding of our world and our
existence and how we operate as humans, but it was just not in that context that we have today of today's technology and stuff. So when you can reapply historical philosophies into modern times, then you can pattern match
like kind of what was not the direct philosophy but the underlying sort of intuition of that philosophy. And then, you know, there's just so much incredible value there that's hidden and lost in like works like 1960s of still recent. And I'm talking from like 1500 years ago is incredible stuff.
Yeah, another huge shout out to not just permaculture, but what permaculture is really based off of, which is indigenous agriculture. We have been creating systems, designs, and hyper structures of all sorts for as long as huge
have existed. So another huge shout out to the hyper structure and systems design of just powerful, intelligent life out here living on the biosphere. And let's do good work to protect that biosphere while we're out here doing our fun web through things.
So that's actually, this came up, the idea that AI can actually be a super effective way to resurface a lot of this historical knowledge and just from translation or summarization and you could do a lot more mass-translating.
and create much more understandable and digestible integrations of all these different philosophies and ideas that have traditionally been locked behind language barriers or just barriers and understanding and stuff. So that's another huge unlock for AI's education.
It's a quick one you can chat with books now instead of read them. Definitely a quick way to the wisdom. More dynamic and interesting and playful one I should say too. There's this book I've been trying to read for the past three years but I read a page. It's so dense that I read a page and I fall asleep.
And it's not because the information's not interesting. It's just you have to unpack a lot to really understand what the guy's saying. But there's this book, "Intelligence in Spirit" by Reagan-Neggeristani. There's a Negristani, and it's like all about how AGI, it's like a very rigorous philosophy of how AGI
I will form and some of the kind of trip wires that there will be across the way. And I finally was just like, I need to upload this thing to Langchain and just chat with the book. And now I'm chatting with it. And it's quite interesting to kind of go through it in that way because not only do you have a way to kind of like
take the information faster, you also have a partner in which that can reason and enter into dialogue with you, which I think also accelerates learning. So yeah, it's just, it's bananas what we can do now and like, you know, my whole shelf of
books that I think, you know, I bought it because like I vived with like the author or whatever and like one day maybe I'll read it. Now kind of becomes accessible because if you can ingest all of that and then just have a way to chat with it for some particular thing that you're dealing with in a day, you know, who knows what you might unlock.
Yeah, it's like super interesting to I know like you've had thoughts around AI integration with something like mochi and Kind of ending back at the coordination games. I think like networked thought Where it's like glued together by AI
is super fascinating to me. You can essentially use AI agents to cross-pollinate ideas and build a map of what's going on. So if you have, for example, Mochi, people's daily check-ins being fed into a large language model agent that can know people
doing and create spontaneous collaborations or suggestions or act as a very high level coordination agent or conductor in a way. You could even call it project management.
of sorts where they can kind of see at a high level what's going on. And then this kind of layers to it. So it's like AI kind of aggregating about us and us like aggregating through AI as well. So, you know, kind of using it as a bicycle for our own minds where you like you said, you know, reading this
like book that's like that long, you know, it's just a more inefficient way yet versus having a conversation with that book and kind of parsing it through an out-of-your-own pace. And you know, if you were to spend like the same amount of hours on both, like you usually get a better return of kind of wisdom or intelligence or insight on like time
spent with going to AI route. So it creates this like a malloc situation of sorts where like, whatever, you know, it's like you have to do it. It's like in this we everyone coordinates to not do it. It's going to be inevitable that this kind of becomes a default moving forward.
Yeah, I was just going to say it feels like suddenly the most crazy autonomous Dow could be spun up just with the imagination that you want to have something done and it's like you spent
up an AGI that's a project manager, you give it the tokens and you say, hey, go cultivate your agents over the blockchain for whatever purpose it is that has been designed for you.
the D work happens automatically through the AGI's intent that a human somewhere had shoved an eth inside of with a magic spell to say, "Hey, I want to see this thing in the world."
it cannot be made is really up to humans again. It's a really thing, it's very interesting the interface between AI or these agents and blockchain and the way that these interactions occur.
It's I feel like it's increasingly becoming a question not not can we but should we you know Yeah, it's like okay, so now we can do this and it's like well, well should we let it go ahead and like another so like you know the thing that you just laid out like there was a red there was a team from a company with
That is very well known that I just won name right now That would like created a red team that was able to go do this with like a couple of Langshane agents where they were able to get it to synthesize Go and synthesize a new chemical and then reach out to like distributors and and synthesizers based on
Basically to get the compound put together and like got to the point where it had a bank account and like was sending emails and then they had to stop it. You know, and like that's not that that was something that a team of like researchers did at a time when this was pretty nascent just to see like if it could be done the answer that they got was yes and maybe
maybe we shouldn't let it go do that. But now people are making things like, you know, baby AGI and like these kind of like auto GPT kind of like task making things where like, you know, the inspiration for that was like a AI founder that like creates its own task list and like of that task list is like a business plan.
marketing plan and it just iterates basically through that whole process. And then now what people are doing is they're having these agents speak to each other where they act like the discriminator and the gand world. Now we have agents doing that at a kind of semi-
my sentient level and just improving each other by asking the question, are you sure you did this right? Because we already do that, right? We play with chat GBT and maybe use it to code and the code is broken and then you go back to it and you go, "Hey, I noticed this didn't work. Are you sure you did this right?" And then I'll go, "Oh, I noticed that I messed
this up and then it will improve it. Once you start to have web of agents starting to talk to each other like this, like, you know, AGI becomes an inevitability and it's just like, then when we start thinking about ideas, like, well, should we, you know, create a company with like a fully AGI thing that like goes and does things and make
paperclips or something, that becomes an interesting question. I think we'll have a lot more time to ruminate over that because it's an abundance world. I view the AI as an abundance thing. I think a lot of people see it as a scarcity thing, but it's a good group here.
Yeah, it's kind of funny how your imagination can spin off into the distance imagining essentially like I was thinking of some way that somebody spun up an AGI to attack, let's say TikTok and like pollute its algorithm with a bunch of trash to either A like prove
that it was actually fully full of bots and wasn't actually run by humans at all. Or like, you know what I'm saying? Like you're sending agents after other agents at that point and you're like doing checks on side checks to see like, oh, is this actually full of human beings or is this just some
kind of codified program out there running in the distance. It's very, very interesting to imagine different futures out there. Yeah, that's another interesting thing about perspectives too is like, there's a lot of A
I think it's the same situation as before where the thing you focus on grows. And so I think basically it's a question of like are there possible negative potentialities? Can they be outpaced by
The positive potential, these are the kind of positive things that we can do with it. Because for example, like Sal Khan from Khan Academy at a recent TED talk on how AI will revolutionize education by providing every student in the world with a world class to
to teach some which you know that's only been kind of restricted to pretty like upper like middle to upper class people to be able to afford like private tutoring but in AI that can you know be a private tutor and like a allow a teacher to give
way more resources to students, creates abundance around how fast humans can level up intelligence and the potential things that we can do positive in the world from that. And that might outpace the negative consequences of
The time and energy spent on the positive ones and the positive growth can outpace whatever kind of negative things that happen, but you know, you inherently can't stop all negative things from happening. So it's one of those things where like the more you try to fight it, the more it's going to kind of become a self-fulfilling prophecy in my opinion.
I like the touch. Oh, go ahead. I agree. That's it.
I like to touch a bit about what we have talked about coordination games. We have talked about AI for potential uses for humanity, but what about potential downsides?
I kind of like that we were going in a very positive route, but okay we can go in the other direction too. I think that, okay so the downsides I think that are becoming very real immediately is like, you know it's doing what it's supposed to do in organizations
you know, kind of like really rapidly. You know, I think we've seen as a result of different market conditions, not just AI, right? We've seen layoffs, especially in the tech sector, mostly amongst like, you know, white colored knowledge, knowledge workers and stuff like that. And what we're seeing, you know, kind of to go back with Metajemir is saying is like,
like we have an abundance of intelligence now, the cost of intelligence is lower. So I think the average kind of bar, the bar has gone up now and like I think for the average person who was kind of just skated by doing very mediocre, very replaceable work is now very much at risk. And it's not just those kinds of workers, it's artists
It's writers, it's all sorts of, also all sorts of folks that use intelligence as their main kind of like, you know, spear that through which they pierce the world. And you know, now I think there's a lot of fear and anxiety as a result coming from that class and it's going to create a situation where
where that kind of fear is going to be manifest, I think, in the politicking that happens around it. And what we risk is seeing something that is a great boon, I think, for the future of humanity get kind of siphoned off into smaller and smaller groups because what, you know,
these folks that are out and kind of like doomering about the AI thing, you know, what it's going to lead to is like an over regulation of something and like now it's going to be this thing that only a certain group of people can, you know, continue developing so on and so forth. So I think it's, it's an imperative because that fear I think is unavoidable
that we have to come up with solutions to make models increasingly open source, make models increasingly accessible at the community level, teach people and up level them in how to manage models, manage data pipeline processes, collect data sets, clean data sets, so that we can continue to grow intelligence
at the furthest rungs if this thing gets over regulated that's my biggest fear. Yeah I think that's a great point like even if the it's inevitable that it goes to shit like there is just no ways to stop it so like the best thing we can do is just like level the plane field and make it available to everyone so at least it's not
limited to some elites or something? I definitely heard the commentary about it. I do prefer the positive direction. So what are some of your more fun imaginations about the positive side of things? Definitely interested in hearing that from folks.
So one fun thing I think will be that everyone has their own sort of AI avatar in the metaverse that can, you know, be you and act as you and coordinate as you in the digital sphere with, you know, you doing like whatever you want to do.
So you can basically monitor it and it can reply to your DMs and just manage your overall situation. It's like Jarvis for Iron Man, that's really possible now, pretty much. So that is what I'm
I want to experiment around that to myself and just make stuff that demonstrates this because the more you give people dope ideas of what the amazing things you can do, then people just focus on doing that. That's how you see
These products are the fastest-growing products in the history of mankind. There's no product with faster user growth and a lot of this AI stuff. That just kind of shows you the unlock here. It's a matter of humans. We need to evolve to love ourselves up to be able to
make the most of it. The kids that are born in like an AI first world, it's like just like how people are born after the internet versus before the internet. It's kind of fundamentally different. I think those kids will be like the real ones to really make a change.
And going on with people can do. Now, but going on the fear side, I just wanted to make one idea carry on with it with the discussion. I have a fear that it won't be as democratic as it is right now. I think competition is super expensive and it's being subsidized because we're
training the thing. So I suddenly got taken over by this fear that it will be highly abundant at its like basic level. But as we are not that much needed anymore to train and get feedback etc. that these tools will become actually
I don't know if it's a correct fear to have, but I would love to see the gigabrain here consider it. I think the cost of compute is going to like go down drastically. You already see people having like locally running
versions of LLMs that people can run on their own computers at home. So that's just now in a few years from now, it'll be like drastically different. The cost of energy, you know, that can be going down to drastically over time. And as soon as that, that's the
other kind of fundamental thing is like cost of intelligence and cost of energy going down like that really enables more solar punk outcomes I think rather than just dropping ones but yeah so you believe I can chill about it
Yeah, I mean everything everything everything has to be like cautious to but I wouldn't like Like you should be aware and wary of it But the your way better served like using it and leveraging it and understanding
the positive sides of it, that levels you up a lot more than being worried about it, protects you from the downside. I'm drawing on top of a mid-journey image right now.
like this, the potential of this is gigantic. And you can, you can edit still. You don't have to just stick to whatever the AI gave it. Exactly. And you know, this kind of shifts things towards like curation and like ideas and creativity. Like that's really what
But the reason why those videos are so good is not because in the anime the video exactly like that, it's someone generated hundreds of times like so many variations and curated from that set which runs to someone.
together. So it just drastically reduces the cost of every creative field, filmmaking, photography, everything, and that makes it more powerful for the future.
Thank you all for sharing all of your perspectives. Definitely didn't want to take this on a negative note, I guess, but I think it's important to appreciate all the nuances.
We have just a few minutes to go and I'd like to give the mic to some people who might have questions so feel free to raise your hand.
Welcome for those just joining. We are warming up for metaphors, talking about coordination, AI and humanity. Welcome Katie.
So I recently found your guys' conversation about the metacrisis and that
through the get clean-outs and the metacrisis round. And I had no idea this was even going on. I don't know. AI and coordination in this way.
working on a project for about 80 to 90 and the paradigm of artificial intelligence that's based on modeling, like kind of like if you think about like a simulation, simulating something like you could simulate, I
that somebody working on rocket combustion that wants to collaborate and help make the foundational models for rocket combustion and simulating space rocket combustion.
And that kind of thing. So anyway, it's just been really, really fascinating that there's this whole conversation going on. And I've been working on this AI project and we've got like, we've designed this
like an entire distributed ecosystem around this new paradigm of artificial intelligence. And we're working on an app for stream that will help coordinate people. Like it's really, really good. The AI is really good at
taking big tasks and breaking them down into small projects and coordinating all the little pieces of the projects in a decentralized way without a centralized authority running it all.
I'm really, really excited to connect with you guys. And I'm interested in any upcoming events you guys might have, that kind of thing. So, him, me up. Thanks.
That's super cool to hear. I think the idea of, you know, AI, this is like something I've personally started using it for is like project management is one of the things I hate and getting it to, you know, you can just like throw in like this is the goal that you want and the outcome that you want. And then
So, you know, tell it to like figure out a way to get from where you are to that outcome. And you know, in that process, they can create all the like intermediate steps and take a lot of that mental load off of you to, you know, map that all out. And, you know, maybe that you could say that it's important to like
I'm going to be more powerful. So yeah, like, you know, auto GPT agents acting as like project managers to coordinate things and, you know, and a bit about the simulation side too. The it's really, you know, a lot of the
the AI kind of successes and sort of advancements in recent times is less so about the software side but more so about the hardware like the hardware has been leveling up a lot recently so that's what's enabled these like huge models but a lot of the concepts are still you know very much the same as
in the 90s, with like reinforcement learning and things like that. So on the hardware side, this ties into the whole idea of the metaverse and be able to like create, you know, use AI to efficiently simulate, you know, physical things or
Like create a essentially a digital twin of the state of the real world. So you see this in use in factories where like composition of everything and the state of every machine. Like it's mapped in a virtual world at the same time as a physical world and that intersection between the virtual and the physical and kind of
As soon as you're able to merge those two things, or they're indistinguishable from one another, that's, I think, you know, once you achieve the metaverse. So I see a convergence with all this AI stuff and, you know, simulation and graphics and metaverse.
Thank you, Katie, for sharing our DMs our open. I'm going to send you an invite to our Discord and we'll continue the conversation there. Welcome to the Metagon. And since you asked for a big event that we're promoting with this is Metafest. So it's a conference slash festival.
happening in August in Croatia. Another reminder just speaking to that, you can check the pen to tweets at the top of the spaces here if you just swipe left or right. If anyone would please also retweet the space and we might be
wrapping it up soon. It's 358. But yeah, thank you everyone for attending today. It was an amazing chat about coordination and AI and humanity. I'm feeling very hopeful and very positive for all the abundance that is on its way.
Thank you for joining us. Thank you all. Good chatting. See you next time. Thank you all. Bye bye.