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Onchain Vibes - Episode 1
Recorded: Jan. 8, 2026 Duration: 1:49:10Space Recording
Short Summary
In a lively discussion, participants explored the resurgence of interest in crypto trading, the importance of community engagement, and the evolving landscape of marketing strategies in the crypto space. Key topics included the impact of military actions on market sentiment, the significance of transparency in marketing, and the potential for growth as more individuals return to trading and investing in cryptocurrencies.
Full Transcription
Thank you. so
yo yo yo guys we're just gonna give it it a minute or two, let people join in.
The music is not playing because I don't know what I'm doing, but I'm not going to make
you listen to me sing.
So just give it a minute or two and then we'll kick off. Thank you. bitches love so so um did you guys go baby did you go baby yo yo did you guys see the um
the like navy seal swat team that went to Venezuela was dropping in its Tilted Towers to Chief Keef.
That shit's crazy.
That's nuts, dude.
It's literally nuts.
I mean, if I was a special ops soldier, don't get me wrong, I think you gotta hype yourself up.
But that's just crazy, bro.
I love that shit.
Yeah, no, it's next level.
Can you hear my kitty meowing?
You are so loud, buddy.
No, bring it closer.
Is it a he or is it a she?
It's a he, but he acts like a devil.
A she then.
A she then?
Oh, shoot.
Oh, but how you doing, man?
You good? Yeah, bro, GM, man. man happy new year how's the first week of the
year been for you dude it's been lovely what can i say we've got snow in here um it's like minus
15 during the night minus 10 ish during the day pretty fucking cold to be honest um but i like it um there hasn't been this much snow for quite
some time so i'm uh you know making the best of it um i'm not gonna lie i remember you talking
about like on the space we were by the way bring me up to co-host you fucker jesus fucking christ
um anyway i remember you were talking about taking um a bit of a break like
last last week prior to um or like two weeks prior to new year's and whatnot um dude it's it's so
needed i took it as well like this even even full december and on i was a bit more chill with
everything um and it's definitely needed it's like you need a reset here and there.
But yeah, it was good.
Getting back into being, you know, heavily locked in now.
How about yourself, dude?
How you been?
Dude, same thing, man.
How's I been treating you?
Took like kind of two, three weeks where I was still here every day,
but I wasn't tweeting like every hour.
Like logged in literally 15 hours a day.
Did some stuff with family and friends for
christmas and stuff just like took it a little bit easy so nice bro good reset and perfect timing
because now i don't know things are just kicked off again with the new year like i feel like
things are now kind of moving coins are moving into fucking trenches are crazy i haven't been
trenching but there's been a ton of crazy runners have you been been trenching yet? Not at all, bro.
I've actually, this week,
or I guess it's almost the end of the week,
so this week I'm going to take some time and start a new wallet
and see what I can do.
But I mean...
But you mean perp trading or like trenching?
No, no, I'm trading coins.
Like meme coins?
Like white whale, bro.
I got white, someone sent me white whale
at like 2.5 or 3 million.
And it's at 100 mil now.
Did you buy it? No, have no dude yeah i was i was on a space it was called like six mil i was like oh
yeah sure buddy um and then i watched it at 15 and i watched it at 40 yeah yeah and me too i was
like every like 20 i was like oh i should buy it probably goes 50 mil 40 i'm like hey definitely goes 50 mil i can buy 65 i was like well it's probably going 100 now but i literally
just have zero i have zero soul right like i got zero soul so um if i had so i'd like to think that
i would have bought but again if i wanted to buy i could have just got soul yeah good excuse um
i don't know i think i hope like there's gonna be a lot more
um like i i see it a bit and hear it on spaces like group chats are fucking popping off when it
comes to like ca's flying and whatnot um so like there's definitely people either like wake it up
coming back and yeah just it feels way more alive than december dude um yeah january was kicked off with uh with
pretty decent strength yeah it's good to see now let's just see what happens because um
i mean what's bitcoin trading out now like 90k 91k so we're back to kind of where we started the
year now we were i guess we're at 88k so um it doesn't feel like a strong yeah it doesn't feel
like a strong um momentum either right um if it kept going like the first the first run it did
i don't know what do you think like what's what's your overall take on well because like
bitcoin could quite literally just be you know staying in this range for quite some
time and we could still go lower and everything else right yeah definitely and and i think that
one of the things that's really important to see or know is i was looking at the
reverse repo rate or the reverse repo chart um and essentially without getting complicated
reverse repos are like the best place to park money overnight for institutional money.
So what I mean by that is like if people don't know when, where to, where to deploy like money in equities or fixed income or whatever, they park it in reverse repos.
So at the end of the year, if you, if you know how to find the chart, you go look at it, you'll see that December 31st, there was a hundred billion dollars in reverse repos, um, overnight, which, which is, it's a big number, but when you
think about it, it's, it's very likely, um, year end stuff.
Tax related.
Yeah.
Tax related, uh, redistribution and remanagement of funds, rebalancing, all that kind of stuff.
So I would not be surprised if a little bit of the strength that came in the new year was just people redeploying money that was basically closed out or rebalanced for the end of
the year um yes that so like this this 94k that we saw was beautiful don't get me wrong um but
there's not a lot of strength to it and to see more continuance i don't know i'd like to see
more coming out of the world we have some
crazy stuff going on in iran um the venezuela internet what's that they've got internet
completely off is that it i mean yeah there's there's pretty good um pretty good chance that
there's some military action in iran um i mean if you go to polymarket i don't have it up right now but
i saw some pretty high odds of it happening pretty soon um and yeah they have a blackout i just read
it literally like right before we got on the spaces so um pretty crazy to be honest so i i
see more reasons for um the market to not be happy than to be happy right now in the in the short
future so we'll see yeah no it's it's actually
nuts andrew hey like there was also one thing i'll get in a sec um there's something in germany i
saw there's literally like i'm not sure which part of germany but there was like a part of germany
um i think like around 40 i'm not sure like don't't get me, don't take me for my word here.
But I think I was actually watching Asmongold's stream
and he was like commenting on some stuff.
And essentially it's like a piece of, a part of Germany,
40,000 homes or whatnot,
without electricity for over four days, dude.
Like they don't have heating, they don't have anything.
And like they're,, like, is literally not
doing anything, and
it's like this sort of extremist group
political something something
that's, like, making these moves,
supposedly. It's pretty fucking
nuts when you think about it. They can literally just
take it away, and you can't
pretty much do anything about it. Like, if
you don't have, like, I'm thinking from a perspective
where, like, so there's people in where I'm at mostly live in houses, right? Like, especially
like, you know, a bit out of the city. And it's like, usually homes do have, you know, you have
other means of getting around. If you don't have electricity, usually you can heat with wood,
you know, and stuff like that
usually people have batteries and whatnot that you know generate some sort of um you know ammunition
when it comes to energy so you can use it when when stuff goes bad uh but it's pretty fucking
nuts when you think about it dude imagine could you imagine they take your inner internet away
like even just internet right like you have no connection and like this this is also something which was funny there was a woman interviewed there in germany in that part
and she was like yeah our phones went straight away to airplane mode which is like you know not
yeah airplane like similar to how you get it on when you're you know you know on a plane
uh which is nuts dude um so yeah We're pretty much like... Yeah.
We can be controlled pretty easily, to be honest, at this point.
Not trying to be too conspiracy theory-wise here.
But, yeah.
Anyway, Andrew.
Andres, what you're saying is build a bunker and buy five years of non-perishable food, okay?
That's exactly it.
That's exactly it.
Andrew, how you doing, man? What'srew how you doing man what's good fellas what's good there's only 20 people in the space dude what happened i'm saying bro what the
hell dude what dude what's happening dude oh this is bottom this has got to be the bottom no but i
think you guys uh picked the wrong time to be hosting a space yeah because last time you guys picked the wrong time to be hosting a space. Because last time you guys did this, there was like 90 to 100.
Now, like 22.
Yeah.
Yeah, wrong time.
You know what the thing is?
The thing is, like, we're trying to be good lads
and not go against anyone that's already running spaces, right?
So it's like...
And you just did that today.
Yeah.
We might have to think about this one, Jamsi.
Like, this is a bad hour it feels
um but like jamsie doesn't want to wake up before 10 a.m so that's one um no i'm kidding um but yeah
like you guys got thursdays and tuesdays right yeah yeah and i have one coming on wednesdays
now by the way, oh Gonna be
Oh, it's gonna be I could probably say this shit wouldn't mind me ship probably gonna be hosting
Nfts and IP spaces within for fine Wednesdays
Okay, cool. Cool. You want to get my IP on there? I'll charge you $50,000. So use my penguin to listen
You charge me 60k you can come on
All right deal
Done. Okay. Yeah, no no honestly if you guys if you
guys want some say it again gems when do you guys kick that off that's pretty cool uh when he gets
back from vacation probably the 28th of the month at the end of the month yeah so it is what it is
what it is we need someone to vibe code an interactive calendar for ct where you can go
and book your slots on that
calendar and everybody
has access to the calendar. That would be fucking cool.
That's quite smart, actually.
That's quite smart.
Then you could actually be like, yo, I know I'm going for, I want to go
for a gym tonight, but I really want to be at the space.
Either I'm on the treadmill.
It's like back in high school when you booked the weight room
for that hour slot.
I'm going to buy it myself and everyone
can pay me for the slots even though I don't own
the time, but I don't give a fuck. Pay me.
Yeah, it's a good idea.
It's actually a good idea. It's not that bad.
It would be cool.
And even if you have it conflicting,
if you want to pick a slot,
people can shame you if they want, but
regular people that want to listen to
spaces, even me, I'd love to know
on a calendar what all the spaces are there's so many because gems are
also streaming now too so there's always like stream overlap but usually the streamers don't
get like long time consumption of people listening it's just kind of like quick and quick out the the
people's i guess the people the community listens in spaces longer for a long period of time.
Let's say the comparables are in spaces, people listen 30 to 40 minutes.
In stream, they probably listen
between 5 and 10. It's not that long.
And it's usually the same people
popping in, in and out, and then they come back
to spaces and then do their own thing.
So it is what it is. If I was you guys
by the way, I would
see Frisk has Saturdays
and it gets that gap between 10 and 12.
If I was you guys, I would actually do Sundays.
Bro, Sundays?
I know it's weekend, so it sucks.
I know, trust me.
I would say do Sundays and I'd kick off at 10.
But you know what, though?
Like, I mean mean maybe you're right
i have no idea i don't really do a lot of spaces but i've noticed more and more in the last year
that the weekends just get dead like dead on ct which is kind of cool it means people are doing
things right um but maybe we got to get untrue untrue frisk has been hosting those weekend spaces
for let's say the past like three four
months and they progressively get bigger and he pulls in like 240 230 like live listening and
then like gary v literally joined last weekend he went to like 270 yeah i saw that gary crazy that
that's the poll gary v has though yeah dude back then back in 21 though gary v joins a space i
shit you not we're looking at 500 or 700. Oh, bro, more.
I was in some of those where it's just like
he comes in and it just blows
up the timelines tweeting about it. It's crazy.
Yeah.
It's changed, but no, I think Sunday's a good gap.
Otherwise, you guys gap it.
It's tough because
Burden Dust is, I think, every day, too. So it's like, yeah, it's a bit yeah it's tough because burdened us is like i think every day too so it was like
yeah it's uh damn that's crazy that's fucking good ass hustle
yeah but it gets a little bit some of them get redundant though yeah that's why like that's why
i think i if we're gonna do the spaces i wanted to do it once per week i think it's cool to have
like a weekly wrap up a weekly summary, touch on some things
Have some people ask questions
But beyond that
I think two a week is probably a good number
And then anything over two it starts getting a little bit redundant
There's just so much that happens in the space
That if you want to do
Or you make them short 30 minute to one hour segments
And then fine you can do three or four
Yeah I'll tell you guys right now
Shiv and I are probably going to be doing at like one or two on wednesdays nah bro i took that
already you guys you guys can run it at like 11 and then do sundays wednesdays and sundays
or you just do the sundays or the wednesdays because the th Thursday's at 1 o'clock, fellas. Or 1.30.
I don't know.
Poyo said he DDoSed anybody streaming right now and doing spaces right now
and just sent everyone here.
Poyo, what do you think?
He's out on stage.
What the hell?
Yeah, he is.
He's a speaker.
I'm walking back in the rain.
Give me a second.
Is he walking in the rain, he said? What did he say? I'm walking in the rain. Give me a second. Is he walking in the rain, he said?
What did he say?
I'm walking in the rain.
Give me a second.
One's not raining in London.
Iris, what's going on?
I know you're not in the rain right now.
What's going on, Iris?
Yo, GM, Jamsie, what's up?
GM, GM, we're just chilling.
We're just, this is the first on-chain vibes of the year.
We don't really have a set agenda today.
We're just kind of sorting out, you know, what we want to be doing, when we want to
be doing it.
We're just having fun today.
We're just chilling.
What about you?
Yeah, I'm chilling too.
I'm chilling too.
I'm just getting ready to start trading again I was I
stopped for a while cuz the market was very bad but like yeah I'm getting ready
to start over again so yeah yeah I think you're not the only one that that's kind
of I'm feeling the same way and I think there's a lot of other people feeling
that which is really nice it's a good sign for on chain I think on chain was
pretty pretty stale for like all of December and it's kind of like one of those
things where you know you see all those tweets and sometimes they're annoying
of like when the market's bad
lock in, double down kind of thing but it's a really good example
like look how quick this turnaround was
some people stopped tweeting and got off Twitter
but the people that stuck around for the month, month and a half
that it was dry
are up to date on
the narratives, what's going on
I think it's important to always kind of have your finger on the pulse,
whether you're locked in, you know, 15 hours a day or not.
That's a different story.
But glad to hear that, bro.
I hope that you kill it.
Did you catch a white whale?
No, I saw it very late.
I saw it late.
I mean, I was so sad.
I was really sad, yeah.
But I saw it late.
I mean, I am the white whale, so GM.
Yeah, he is indeed the white whale.
Yeah.
Hey, guys.
Just host spaces for four hours every day for like two years
if you want to grow a space.
And like the first year, do it for seven hours a day.
I don't know how you had the attention span.
Were you dating?
That's what we did at ATP, bro.
Were you dating in the beginning?
Like, did you have a partner?
Bro, yeah, yeah, bro.
I have...
I think like the...
Maybe the second time
she slept around,
I was like, oh shit,
I've got spaces in the morning.
I was like, fuck it.
I'm going to chuck it right
in the deep end.
It's like 6am
and she hears,
From fucking Pingu,ingu bro i was like oh
my lord dude nobody nobody hosts more spaces than rj though i said this yesterday the guy will host
like four to four a day three a day and it's all different times i get up at like seven in the
morning he's up i'll be working around 11 like eastern like a.m he's doing it and then it's
again fucking three four
i think he does cunning he does cunning linguist monday wednesday friday and then we do atp for
uh i think i think he does it five days a week yeah he's ridiculous we used we used to to be
fair like but even before he joined i remember pingo and i we'd have to like tag team it for
like literally i think like a year and a half you guys guys had shipped there too, didn't you, as co-hosts sometimes?
Swabbing in, subbing out.
No, we ran through so many.
Actually, so many co-hosts.
I know.
Because we can find someone.
Yeah, Neapad mode's there occasionally on the co-host position.
Especially when I'm hosting.
He's always there.
The boy's always there.
Right, I'm in my house.
I gotta go.
Bye.
That was what a fucking exit. Hi, Peach.
Hello. I only came here
because I wanted to ask Andrew about the CIA
thing, because I never knew this.
You said the CIA thing?
You said that you're
ex-CIA? No, it's definitely
not me.
What? I'm so confused now.
No, who said that? You said that.
No, I didn't.
Yes, you absolutely did.
I did that?
Yeah, you replied to someone's tweet that you're ex-DIA.
No, no, no, that's Bo.
No, no, no, Peach, Peach, Peach.
He's just saying that right now because he blew his cover,
and he's not supposed to talk about it.
You're saying that the guy that you blew his cover and he's not supposed to talk about it. You're saying
that the guy that you replied to is
former CIA. Okay, so I thought you were saying
I'm former CIA and
they're definitely going to look into it and I know
this. Okay. No, no.
If I was former CIA, I promised nobody would know.
Okay.
Oh, that's funny. That's fun. I got really
excited. I had so many things to ask you.
What were you going to ask?
I don't really know. I didn't really have the really excited. I had so many things to ask you. Oh, what were you going to ask? I don't really know.
I didn't really have them.
I feel like they were stupid questions anyways.
You could just pick your brain a bit.
Why, curious about CIA stuff?
Yeah, for sure.
I think the CIA is fascinating.
What's the most fascinating part about it?
Just the fact that they are able to control even even the media and adversary countries i
think is really cool um i think that's like a super super cool thing that all countries should
strive towards doing strive towards it oh dude yeah yeah i think it's very morally good and
awesome yeah i don't know how i don't know i don't know how some countries feel about that but uh
it's great it's great when you're doing it bad when it's getting done to you
I guess
Well no I
Quite famously hate America and the CIA
Is a large part of why I hate it
Have you heard of MKUltra Peach?
Of course I have
Oh here we go what do you think?
I think it's just another
Like it doesn't surprise me Like it's just the shit that they do
you know have you read about the manson family being involved with mk ultra as in charles
i remember like watching a movie about the family and my friend who's like a super schizo was like
walking me through the whole thing but i was like really astern at the time and i didn't take any of it in yeah yeah there's like the cia's got like public documents on the website i think it's like
cia.research.doc or something like that.gov is something like that you probably just literally
just to be it and all the documents of like what happened and where it's linked to is like all
there there's a document that pertains to uh agent paperclip or operation paperclip that pertains
to mk ultra which is back in world war ii it's it's fascinating shit that like they were doing
all that stuff so much back then and people had no idea and it's probably it's probably still going
under under undergoing imagine what they're doing now yeah no i know that's the real thing
yeah i remember like i was never really into
this stuff and then i like e-dated a lady in 2022 who was it can you dox who was it
no i can't because he was married oh you're great you're a homewrecker you're a fucking
homewrecker yeah that's fucking great for you well played for you well then like i had to stop
talking to him and I spoke to the wife
How long did you guys date for?
Wait
How did you speak to the wife?
Did you go and out him?
I called her brother
Oh you're fucked
It was a whole thing
He was gonna be violent
It was like a whole fucking thing
Anyway don't ever speak to m'ladies on the internet
That's a m'lady isn't he? Wait it was a m whole fucking thing. Anyway, don't ever speak to m'ladies on the internet.
That's a m'lady, isn't he?
Wait, it was a m'lady? No way.
That's why I said it,
because I was like,
you dated a m'lady,
and then they were like,
oh, look at the gateway process,
and I was like, okay,
and then, yeah, that was... Moving forward,
we all now know that Peach has great judgment,
and next time she makes a judgment call,
we all trust her for it
and don't look into it anymore.
I have good judgment in everything.
Your judgment's fucking terrible. Your judgment is terrible. I have good judgment call we all trust her for and don't look into it anymore i have good judgment your judgment is fucking terrible your judgment is terrible everything
except for men okay like oh you mean people so your eq is low then i'm i'm horribly autistic i
can never tell when people are bad i just like assume that everyone's like a great person yeah
that's one way to go through life it's definitely one way to go through it like i i can
like be rugged by someone and i'm like oh like maybe it was an accident like maybe he didn't
mean to yeah he's trying to feed his family founder died printed 30 million he died yeah
that's what happens i think i did too much cbt so now i'm like maybe he was having a really bad day
you know no comment no comment
but Peach
other than that
what you up to?
you doing anything fun?
in crypto?
I'm not doing anything fun
I'm just because I'm sick
I'm so sick
man, influenza has been crazy
I've never seen this many people get this ill
like respiratory wise
it's not that
well I am a little bit sick.
I'm a bit sick in that sense, but it's my long-term health stuff.
What do you...
Can you...
Are you...
Is it, like, something you've shared prior already?
Yeah, I have a huge tumour.
Get the fuck out of here.
Wait, why are you laughing?
Is it benign?
Yeah, yeah.
I've had it for five years.
It's, like, not a big deal.
What does benign mean?
It means it's, like, not growing abnormally.
Not what?
Not growing abnormally.
It's been, like, the same for the past five years.
Oh, okay.
Oh, shit.
How did you find about it, though?
I had an ultrasound because they thought that i was
pregnant but i wasn't oh it's like a huge like so it's like in the area where you would carry a child
that's nuts and like did you like did you get sorry for asking this but like no did you get
did you get like a reason?
Did they give you like a reason of what might have caused it?
No, because it's so big, they don't even actually know what it's attached to.
Because it could be attached to like five different things.
So yeah, they've got no idea.
So that's like organs, I'm guessing.
They have no idea.
Like they just know that it's huge and it's like pushing everything else out of the way.
No, I mean, like, what...
I'm very, like, uneducated on this, I guess.
But, like, you're saying, like, it could be attached to five things.
I'm guessing organs, right?
Yeah, or, like, the mesenteric wall, which is, like, the muscle in your abdomen.
So, yeah, tons of different things.
That makes sense.
Yeah, it's no biggie.
It's just... I'm not feeling it. Oh, yeah, no biggie. It's just, I'm not feeling it.
Oh yeah, no biggie.
Just tumor.
You're good.
Fuck.
No, but no.
Yeah, I hope everything, like you have no complications for real.
If anything, like health is so, like you don't even, I know you spoke about this Andrew,
like with, I think I saw Kelano here.
I swear I saw him.
Anyway, but like
it when it happens like you're yeah you get aware real fast but like when you like when health isn't missing you're like you know i'm probably living to 300 right yeah um but then then you get sick
one day and it's like oh i'm dying here man yeah and like the weird part is you go from like
zero to like 100 or 100 to zero in a matter matter like no yeah it's insane and you're like what the
fuck happened it's not even like sometimes it's sometimes it's a slow decline other times it kind
of comes out of nowhere and it's like well i wasn't expecting no we got to deal with this
and then when that happens it's in the forefront of everything that you do uh but when when it's
not usually health isn't at all times but you know some people do some people it's in the forefront of everything that you do. But when it's not, usually health isn't at all times.
But, you know, some people do, some people it's not.
But, Peach, I got one question.
Is, ideally, you get pregnant one day.
Ideally, it's, you know, an agreeance.
It's not, you know, an accident.
It's someone you're married with and all that stuff.
Does that affect the tumor?
Does the tumor affect the child?
So I personally wouldn't get pregnant at the minute anyway because i'm not in the position like uh like physically i'm not in the position to to raise a child like i couldn't keep
up with the child right now um but if like hypothetically i would get pregnant i think
that it would technically be fine i would just be in a lot of pain. Um, it, cause it like, it squishes everything. So it's just like not
something that I'd want to do, but I, I'm hoping that by then it's either shrunk or taken out or
whatever. Um, yeah. What a choice of words squishing. No's good though no that's literally what it is but
i will say like yeah definitely never ever take your health for granted because i literally it
was quite literally overnight that one day i was like i could run marathons and then now like i
i was taken to hospital and now i like literally can't walk to the jobs yep like it's crazy that's crazy and i actually that can happen to you like you might wake up and you might not be able to walk
10 minutes i've been putting off uh seeing a specialist for something and now i'm gonna do it
because yeah you're right and it's that's awesome well it's yeah but you guys are actually right
and this is where like i'm lazy but like if you wait until you have to see them,
like actually have to see them,
then it's like a three-month wait time.
You know what I mean?
You better get on top of it right away.
And I'm saying that now as someone who's been putting it off.
But you guys are right.
I will do it.
Maybe tomorrow.
If you wait until you have to see them,
you might be waiting until it's too late.
It could be something more serious that you don't know about.
Just get everything checked.
If you have the ability
especially if you're in a country with free health care like if you have the ability to just go and
get something checked out then like you can't lose anything from from doing it but you can lose
something from not and what you can lose from not is like literally your freedom and it's like very
consequential 100% well I seriously truly hope that um
they feel better right now because obviously you're having a bad day and that you get it
sorted eventually hopefully yeah I was like that was like a laugh breath right there Jeb
no but I get it I mean my my wife right now is is um trying to sort some stuff out too and it's
it's it's tiring it's tough especially when there's no answers and it takes a long time
and you can't get it fixed right away um there's some things that money just can't buy in life and
health is one of those things and the peace of mind that you also get with health is something
that you also can't buy um so i get it that sai is uh obviously been dealing with this for a while
it's taking it's taking uh some of your mind space and some of your days so i truly hope you feel
better one of the i'm all good though like i i don't want to be a party pooper like that's why
i like don't talk about it too much because it like uh i feel like it like kind of i don't know
people think it's a lot worse than it is.
There's, uh,
we'll play Among Us after, you'll be okay.
Are you gonna play tonight?
Tonight I can, I'm going to dinner.
Oh, you!
I'm just on a date tonight!
No, that's not true.
That's not true.
I know who it's with. Anyone else would like to play?
Dude, low-key, me and Jemper
are going out for drinks tonight. Jemper and I going out for drinks.
Fake news.
There are people in this server that play
Among Us in the bar. Like, they play Among Us
when they're out. Oh, God, that's probably such a weird
thing to do, isn't it?
Yeah, that would be so weird, guys. I've never
done work calls in the bath on Zoom and accidentally
put my camera on.
There's no way you've done that.
There's no way you've done that there's no way i can actually i can
actually i think i think a bath every day um and yes i have done it uh there was no uh no explicit
nudity but definitely had to like uh look at a couple shocked faces being like is that a bath
and i was like oh yeah i'm just pouring pouring it to queen did it did it uh did it ruin the
call or no no no it's, no. Call it on great.
I mean, I'm not going to tell that story right now. But yeah, it went great.
Yeah.
Do you guys know Capitalist?
Yeah, yeah.
He always plays Among Us from the bath, but like, he never mutes his mics.
You can always hear like him splashing around.
And then like, he gives us a play by play of like, what soaps he's using.
And when he's like, lathering his body. Yeah, that's crazy that i mute every time i splish splash or move around so that
that's some crazy talk it makes me super uncomfortable i just really do not like hearing
him splish in the bath james wouldn't you just rather enjoy the bath though wouldn't you just
rather enjoy the bath and like not be on calls while you're in the bath well yes but also like
since i'm doing like i'm often doing
things all day long but it's like that's when that's the moment that i get to do it so like
if i don't do it then i probably won't get the time to do it so it's just like doubling up you
know double dipping feel relaxed if i if i am on my phone like i can't feel relaxed if i don't like
i'll go to the beach or i'll be at like on a mountain and
I'll be like looking at fucking reels. Yeah, your brain, your brain, your brain's literally ruined
by dopamine. Well, it's just like, I can't like switch off like that. Like me switching off is
like looking on my face. Like I remember like my first big breakup like like my boyfriend he broke
up with me i was like heartbroken and i he like walked out the door and i was just like okay
tiktok and then i stopped that's crazy no that's not that's not normal that's yeah yeah you're
cooked girl you're cooked yeah bitch how old are you i'm 24 you got some time to fix that
Or she cared about him so much
No, she definitely did
No, I really did
As soon as I came off TikTok
You're just filling in that void with the
Just the instant juice of dopamine
Yeah, like whenever I would come off TikTok
I would start crying and like calling him
and being like please, please, please And then you met the lady and everything fixed up
and then you met a mullaby and everything and everything went uh went up went up everything
went even worse but then it's fine because when things went tits up with him you know what i did
you're brain dead
yeah it's uh it's one probably the worst I've ever seen
actually that's not true there's quite a few bad
that I know
my ADHD isn't
medicated anymore because my psychiatrist
dropped me because my case was
that's crazy dude that's something
you probably shouldn't say on Spaces but that's crazy
yeah
so yeah I'm not
medicated anymore
that explains a lot
it does explain a lot
Ola what's going on
what are you vibe telling I literally just saw your tweet right now
Ola Ola
you heard Peach talk
and rant a little bit and vent
and he left
happy new year brother You heard Peach talk and rant a little bit and vent and he left. What's good, bro?
Happy New Year, brother!
How are you, man?
Happy New Year, motherfucker.
How are you doing, bro?
Good, man.
Good.
How about yourself?
I'm doing great, bro.
I just said I should pop in on TI.
And how are you, Andrew?
Hope you're good as well.
Dude, dude, it's funny because I actually sent
four people your article
last week or the one you did
five days ago. You hit two mil impressions.
And I really said to them, I'm like,
guys, this is literally the formula.
Wow.
Did you really?
Yeah, he fucking printed.
I think it's the most I've seen
from CT, to be honest. I think it's the most I've seen.
Wait. An article? Yeah, he wrote an article last week uh hit about two million impressions and out of everyone on c that ct that's tried to write one his went like 10x 5x
what's it about yeah yeah i think it's it was like you know good timing kind of because a lot of people were like
um you know going into the new year they are trying to learn new things they are trying to
find their redeem what's like the best habits that you need to like do inside the new year so i was
just i just woke up that morning i was like let me let me just write something and you know i should
put it into perspective of like what i was doing
pre christmas period i've actually been doing this thing so i was like okay let me just write
it and post it and then it just went crazy never imagined that it would be you know viral
i mean although we can we can tell the truth now i i wrote the article i'm your ghostwriter
thank you very much that's my ghost
writer yo so what are you doing in the new year actually did you did you um what'd you do for
new year's before before we talk about the new year what did you do for new year's anything
did you party did you see family did you do anything crazy did you meditate
nah i was just chilling just writing stuff for like What I'm going to do for the new year
Planning and spending time
With my lovely wife
And you know, thinking about the future
What do I want to do for like
This new year, new strategy
And so far like
The first week of the new year has been good
So I'm very, very happy with it
Isn't it crazy how like
10 years ago i'd be
smashed off my head drinking like bottles of champagne and shots and beers looking two fours
looking two two fours your hands now it's like i had two glasses of wine i was a bit hung over on
on the morning of the first but i was working right away like and same as you like the last
the days leading up to new year's i was mapping out the year it's the first year that i actually i'm
going to try and take some of like my i don't want to call them resolutions but goals i like mapped
out a year some goals that i have all this stuff like and i'm like damn like this is what age is
i don't want to say maturity i don't think i'm very mature but as you age, definitely life changes.
Yeah.
Oh, dude.
Life changes insanely.
On an insanely large scale.
Especially like when you stop like hanging out and partying in general.
And if you have something like this on top,
where you're actually like you know trying hard working
andrew you probably um i think you and jem said like the most chronically workaholics that i know on ct am i right you're probably uh there's guys that are worse than me
worse yeah i think jumping is always online like 247 except for like yeah i mean my interns are
always online i just hop on for the space once a week and then i log out yeah that makes sense
um by the way congrats on the fucking um reach exclusive you fuckers yeah you like that hey
honestly i gotta put up a tweet later about
reach but they're fucking killing it man like that company that group of guys and
not just killing it as a business but for me personally like it's been really cool to have
them help me understand some of the landscape and introduce me to some of the companies that are trying to work in the space um and i mean this morning uh without mentioning names and stuff like we had someone
approached wanting to work with me and we actually had to turn it down just for for my own reasons
um and they're really cool because it's not just about making money for them but they're very
just ethical and they want what's good for their company for the people that that work with them, for the people that are in crypto in the space.
They do a good job vetting projects.
Like it's just very cool to have this, this big piece of what it's like to being a creator
kind of mostly taken care of with some of the input that I get to have.
It's made my life a lot easier for sure. So, uh, yeah, I'm excited to see what this, what this, um,
reach exclusive stuff is and, and kind of how it changes things.
But, um, working with them for the last, like, I don't know, four or five,
six months has been really outstanding, like really leveled up my, my life too,
because it just makes me some of like the, a lot of the back and forth work and
a lot of the DD stuff, um stuff gets done and kind of just presented
to me in a lot easier digestible way
so it's been cool.
Yep. By the way, Jams,
I was going to text you this. This is like
not public
info, but I guess
it can be. But not insider info either.
But not, technically it's data
so you can classify however you'd like.
Saw some of the CPMs
off of crypto creators
across the board.
And let me fucking tell you,
because this space is small,
it's not scalable.
It's not sustainable.
Like you're saying that the CPMs are really high?
What do you mean? Elaborate.
It's way, way, way, way, way too high.
Yeah, I think I saw a pretty cool discussion yesterday from Leon and a couple people.
And Jonah, yeah.
I grabbed the numbers.
I grabbed the numbers.
Dude, it's bad.
So what's the average CPM that you saw?
Let me check, actually. Is it like 50 bucks 100 bucks 500
bucks no because traditionally it's like what five to 30 bucks yeah usually it's five to 30 bucks
and anything between 80 to 70 so you finance base and and those are good numbers if there's like if
it's a high quality content piece or whatever yeah 80 is a sick number 70 between 80 uh let me pull up the numbers give me a quick
second hold on i just gotta open my text but i got so many fucking messages i haven't read yet
um okay yeah the average gems is like bro it's like three something three three hundred yeah
is that skewed because of one or two people?
Or is that just like really,
really like mid curve?
What the fuck?
That's crazy.
Hold on.
There's one,
two,
three,
four,
five,
six,
seven,
eight,
nine,
17 people with higher CPMs than 300.
That's great.
And are they like recognizable accounts or is it like
that crypto kl awards that just yes i have your i have yours i have yours here too by the way
nice um yeah you're you're i'm gonna say you're gonna say yours or no i have no idea what it is
yeah yeah it's good it's actually it's actually below it's actually below the threshold of what
i mentioned yeah yeah i mean you can totally say it it's 109 that's crazy that's awesome yeah it's good you're
actually you're actually fifth sixth on that list that's mad i mean and i don't i don't mind talking
about that because i'm pretty freaking uh i try to be as transparent as possible when i'm working
with a company whether it's working with them through my company whether it's uh working with
them through reach like i always put disclaimers and i mean my my
this open bio on twitter has like all the people that i'm partnering with i do that on purpose i
think it's super important i really watch you guys are gonna fucking laugh at me and i'm gonna get
made fun of for this for sure i'm not a gooner but i watched a tiktok of that girl who her name
is ari something with a k she's dating young gravy do you guys know who i'm talking about
she's an only fans girl nope no only fans girl yeah she put out a really cool video that someone sent me
and I watched it and it was really really um it just made me feel good about myself because she
basically did work with another creator and felt like the other creator was misleading the people
of what she was selling her stuff to I don't know it's a course or something I'm not really sure
what it is um and essentially she just came out and was like look i'm always going to tell you guys even though it's probably
not in my best interest like i think it's important to be transparent you guys have given me everything
essentially is what she said and i really like that like this person is humble enough to know
that she made an only fans she made content yes i'm sure she works very hard but she also turns
around to recognize that the people that are buying her content her her only fans content
are the reason she's able to have the life that she has right and i think that's important in any aspect of life
um i used to work in a finance business and the motto was uh your clients are your lifeblood
and and it's a real it's a real motto like if you have a business that creates revenues from
people buying something uh whether it's a good or service if you don't have clients
you got nothing so i think it's important to be good to the people that help support you and that's
why i think it's important to be transparent with with things like if you're doing promos if you're
working as an advisor it's not very hard to disclose and i think in the last six months i've
seen a huge shift in a lot of people finally doing it whereas six months ago
like there was i don't know if it was a stigma or what but people felt like they couldn't tell
people or didn't want to tell people they were getting paid or working and it's crazy to me
um because that's a pretty material distinction that you should be making
so it's uh yeah that's why i'm happy to talk about that shit that's really cool they just
didn't they just didn't care to and it sounds kind of fucked up to say it because it is, they didn't care to because the market was so hot six, eight months ago that like, it was almost like that saying where like crime was legal and like, no, obviously it's not.
But people were saying crime is legal and that entire tagline stuck for at least four months.
And like things that you were supposed to be doing, not you, but just general statement, people were not doing because, because of that.
Like when the market gets so hot, attention just goes shifts towards how hot the market is
and like the rules and all these things that you should be doing um out the window out the window
yeah but it's cool because i'm seeing people like i i try and stay away from dramas don't get me
wrong but it's funny i have a tweet in my drafts that's like kind of a call out of people that was just like the amount of undisclosed shills on my
timeline is crazy and this is like from i don't know a couple months ago um and people that i
was referring to which i would never name because it's not my place to um are now making disclaimers
on their tweets or or whatever they're doing which is really cool to see i think that i mean don't
get me wrong a lot of people are in this space full-time at work.
This is my job. This is literally my job, right?
But I think it's important for people to still understand
the material connection between who I'm working with
and who I'm just speaking about freely.
There was also a couple folks that got put on the cross,
figuratively speaking, that got chewed out publicly
between those months.
And then after those folks got chewed out publicly
and posts went viral, the disclosures mean yeah it's many such cases though right like that's
that's like you know we're making an example of him everyone's gonna follow suit afterwards
so yeah i think i think that's just good for the overall space and for for everybody who's
consuming content you know what's worse youtube by the way crypto youtubers
it's even worse oh i know i buddy it's buddy it is even worse when i came when i came into the
space in 2021 it was like 2020 2021 i didn't know that they weren't disclosing stuff so i got washed
as we all did dude there's there's someone that's been making YouTube videos for multiple years now about meme coins
that's paid for all the meme coins
and I don't think I've ever
seen a disclosure from them in years. It's fucking
wild, man. Yep.
Gene, your hands up.
Yeah, what's up, guys?
Fun discussion here
and honestly,
I think it was Ola, if you have the list or whoever
has the list of KOLs,
that would be such an epic article to see.
Just like the comparison across the board with or without names.
Just like average numbers, things like that.
I mean, if you want to spill the tea, I think the names would be pretty epic.
Yeah, NDAs, NDAs.
Off hours at the moment, NDAs. Off hours, off hours at the moment, NDAs.
But he's right.
Like even some sort of correlation between like CPMs
and does this person actually convert, right?
Because I think a huge part of the conversation,
someone, maybe it was your space,
it went through Lounge the other day,
but there was a space that was in the other day
where we're talking about like,
oh yeah, these numbers are inflated
and people in crypto get paid a lot of money.
But a lot of the reason why people get paid money in crypto is because there's conversions,
right?
There's signups, like companies want to have X amount of people sign up for their chain
or X amount of volume on their chain.
So they can go and do a raise a series.
I had, you know, 80 million Val, like they get something out of it.
Whereas in traditional media, like, I don't know, Instagram, I don't know what the conversions
are, but I don't think they're getting the same type of benefit.
There's no funnels on, there's no acquisition funnels.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Other than links, which only work for a few select products, like exchanges and maybe some DEXs and some InfoFi stuff, there's no direct acquisition funnels, which kind of sucks.
So the measurables are just kind of
impressions and i guess like potential reach i do love what kaito did though not paid by them i got
friends that work there we both do whatever i love what kaito is doing with the fact that they're
tracking your followers on chain and how much capital they have so it's like down the line of
an acquisition funnel of like the projection of who could be buying from senior tweets based off of what they have on chain.
Like that's really smart.
But the one for one plus one equals two conversions that happening.
but the projected numbers of what could happen based off of who follows you
kind of a who's who the way that influencers following you two,
three years ago was a big deal.
Now it's how much capital do your followers have?
It's another like level to this that i personally
like so once again not paid by kai so i just think yeah that's that that was a really cool
thing that they put out on new year's i agree it's it's really cool to see some people's charts
of small accounts that have huge like tvl numbers of followers and also huge accounts are posting
that have like very minimal amounts but uh but i think i cut off jean paul so are you are you francophone uh no no i just have a
really french name because my grandma's from quebec so yeah and that's because that's that's
a very quebecois name so i was curious you canadian jean paul you canadian um i'm by blood but no i
live in the in seattle so i'm like uh canada's neighbor you know but yeah actually you know
it's something i've been really thinking about a lot because I lead BD at Bankless. So like we deal with this all the time. People ask us ROI on sponsorship, you know, CPM, whatever else. But, you know, the deeper that you go, it's like every visual media too. It's like a YouTube video. Like how do you justify pricing? Because like, it's not like you can have a direct link while people are watching and
they go and then they purchase a token and then you could like prove that TVL.
But would love to like just gather data from other people around the space to like kind
of figure that out.
Because it's, I mean, it's just napkin math, but I think napkin math gets us pretty far
and it's wildly evolving. I mean, to give you some
insight here too, on my side, it's like from six, eight months ago to now, like the questions I'm
having in calls, like before it was, we want to work with you or can you give us some details on
what your packages are? Here's the price, whatever else. And now it's like ROI, very specific metrics.
What did you do in the last three months, 30 days?
Can you give us examples?
Like the market has shifted.
And so I think KOLs are also going to have a bigger challenge when, you know,
pressed for questions, especially in this market.
And, and maybe like one more thing too, is like the people who use KOLs versus
someone who would like book with bankless
are very different.
Like KOLs are like direct to DGens,
I would call it for CT,
where it's like bigger companies
that are trying to get brand recognition
and things like that will go to like Blockworks
or, you know, Bankless
or any of the number of YouTube.
So definitely an interesting thing
to like just see how it evolves in 2026.
Yeah, I think that that data is very valuable. And like you said, there's no,
like there's no direct correlation. You can't really link like that plus that equals that.
But with that being said, I agree with you. I think that it'll become a lot more difficult
for people to justify some of the things that they try and do or charge people without being
able to kind of have metrics to back it. But I also think that for people that do really have good pull,
do a really good job with their brand on Twitter,
have conversions, are really good to their audience,
I think that they'll actually benefit from it.
Oh, transparency is key.
I think that like trust trumps all.
Like I'd rather hire a KOL
if I'm at a company that has 10k followers and is really
trusted than someone with 100k that like I'm just not sure about 100 but by the way uh just so you
know uh Andrew's gonna send you my CPM stuff for bankless uh and actually not only that not only
that I got two texts this morning from two very different people in my life from my
toilet shower door picture that i posted on reddit i'm breaking out of the bubble
yeah are you really there's reddit rolled up the right i'm gonna i'm gonna tweet it right now it's
actually crazy like like that post i got three million something impressions on but on reddit people are stealing it and getting like more than that bro but my jams you're him dude you're him
jams i gotta i got a question for the kols here as as there's no kols here there's no kols here
or or maybe not kols but you know we'll call them vibe marketers five marketers
but uh yeah with that in mind like as we get more institutions and like serious companies, JP Morgan, BlackRock, whatever else, like how do you see the role of like this type of marketing expand or contract?
Like I don't like I'm still trying to figure out like where's our place in five years, you know, in these on-chain vibe, you know, just TGs?
I think it expands.
And what I mean by that is not to like an nth degree where you're just getting this exponential growth.
But I think the tap into the real, like the bottom of the totem pole, like the real users of crypto, people become more valuable, especially as a lot of people get snatched up.
I mean, we saw WAZ yesterday get picked up by Legion.
We know, you know, Vogue, ICO, all these people are getting picked up by companies.
The potential for actual, like, great brands to help tap into people diminishes.
And I think as that diminishes, as that supply kind of goes down,
and the demand for these types of people and conversions goes up, I think you become even more valuable.
And I think that a company like doing like Bankless, for example, I think that it becomes more important.
These companies, I think big companies are often smart enough or at least find out the hard way that they're not smart enough to do it themselves.
that they're not smart enough to do it themselves and finding a trusted company who can actually tap
into the right people and go through all of the weeds that that is crypto and and kind of they
know who's who they know what's what they don't have to go through the process and throw three
million dollars at the wall and just see what sticks they can save so much money i think one
of the biggest sells when working with companies
is literally that.
It's that we can reduce your headache,
we can actually reduce your costs
and get you better output.
I don't see it going down by any means.
And do I think companies come in
and try and do it themselves?
Yes.
Have we seen that happen successfully
for like a big web 2 company to to
truly come into crypto themselves and market it never i've never seen it i can't think of it and
we've had car companies we've had michelin we've had all these pretty big companies come into crypto
and not break through um and then you have companies come to crypto and use companies
use marketing agencies who are able to do a lot of the grunt work and
probably pay fractions of what they would have paid and have way higher success.
Yeah, it's like, if you could save someone $3 million, how much can you charge for your salary?
Well, that's my point, right? So that's why I think it's a valuable service to offer. Because
if you can prove your ROI, if you have case studies,
if you have like, like tangibles that you can say, this is what we're able to do. Um, and this is
what someone else who tried to do the same thing themselves costed. Well, now you can charge a
premium. Like, so now instead of whatever you're charging and say, fuck it, we can charge more.
And you can be open and honest about it, but you say, look, we're going to charge you a boatload
of money, but you would have spent 10 boatloads of money doing it yourself so here you go
fair tag by the way um i want to give it to a few people that have joined um
kakow how you doing buddy you good yo yo i'm good uh thanks uh what about you guys how how's the how's the yeah no we're nice nice we're chilling dude first
space um in 2026 dude we were we had a topic i'm not sure if you were here before but we were
talking about like reach and whatnot you joined david's um yeah yeah creative scale creative
sorry yeah like what are your thoughts on like like, the overall becoming a KOL?
I mean, yeah, yeah, I just, I understand, like, it's great.
Instantly, like, the instant answer.
You know, I just like all these, you know, initiatives and the Creatorverse,
like, the community, you know, only.
I think, I think it's great.
Like, you know, don't know what to add actually because i joined i remember you know maybe two or three months ago i also applied but
i have no clue about what's going on and uh what is it like you know how the things are going here
on ct like the marketing stuff and you know promotions and all this all this
uh so i applied actually to reach and creative but i you know i was really really small with
no experience at all like with no content and stuff but uh now as a joint you know uh as i
joined like david's you know project creative verse community i don't know how to even call it but um
community i don't know how to even call it but um i see that it's actually you know i i don't know
if i can tell like how it works but um the web 3 marketing let's say it's is something something
really different from what i actually used to know about marketing in web 2 and um yeah i i'm
excited that i joined and i see a lot of you know small creators
joining as well which means that you know not only KOLs let's say can promote things and brands
you know are interested in promoting their stuff you know by some big huge QNL, some big, big, big campaigns.
But it's actually brick by brick, you know.
You can just win with the quantity, let's say,
and, you know, onboard more and more small creators because it's actually, like, what Creatorverse is about, I think.
And, you know, it's great.
Just a part of it and, you know, something really cool.
I saw a rich network
announcement today with jamzy i mean it's something you know did you see the video i mean
yo it's the level uh really like it really you know professional and stuff they killed it with
those videos man all of those videos they posted were fucking fire yeah yeah and uh you know this is the diamond you know in their
portfolio like these videos they attract uh rich negru wow um but i actually have a question jams
if i can so they have this exclusive or how they did they call it uh with you is it something you
know what is it about like the partnership and all this stuff? Because I didn't really read and, you know, went to details.
I just saw a video.
Like, what is it?
Well, why the fuck didn't you read, buddy?
Fucking A.
Damn.
Okay, okay.
Let me tell you.
I have something to tell here.
Right.
I was in the office, you know, colleagues around.
I don't want them you know
to become you know dgens in crypto and web 3 in ct you know i don't have you know i don't want to
have any competitors here so i was just sitting quiet with my phone i saw the video it was excited
i just saw it and just passed it on right because i saw jamzy like it's fucking masculine pingo and
that's that's enough all right to be in a positive note so no no you're good you're good
what do you mean you don't want you don't want you don't want your co-workers to compete with
you on cd is that what you said yeah exactly what i said but no i'm joking um you know it's just no
that's crazy uh you should by the way you should clip the the creator verse shill and and push it to
david and and ask for an increase um but yeah thanks for thanks for being with us here kakoff
um we also have fs wait wait i gotta answer question quickly because because i think he was
wait sorry my bad oh jesus yeah he did oh i'm so quick quick answer for you bro it's just
essentially what reach is doing with with some of the creators that are part of the Rex program is that they're taking care of everything running a business.
And what I mean by that is I still do all the content on my account.
I still do everything that I want.
But I get, like, I'm not kidding, 10 or 20 DMs per day from people, scammers but people companies whatever saying hey we want
to work with you we want you to be we want an advisor we want a promotion whatever it is
and i ignore all of it right what reach is doing is they're they're taking over that part of the
business where they have the business discussions they have the dd um they go through a process
with these kind of inbounds and they filter through what's
dog shit, what's a scam, what's potential and what's really cool.
And they're doing so I guess a lot of what they're doing is BD, leveraging creators and
doing just a huge amount of networking in BD.
Oh, cool.
Yeah, because I was wondering, like, was the, you know, how do they manage all this, you
know, because you actually receive all these DMs, like, you know, how do you how do you manage to filter it out?
I don't. I don't. I never have. I pretty much ignore everything.
I mean, I thought it's like a really cool brand that that's like something that I like and is obviously like the person's wearing an affiliate badge or whatever.
and is obviously like the person's wearing an affiliate badge or whatever.
Like there are times where I have entertained those conversations myself,
but most times I'm just too scared of getting scammed or getting drained by a
fake zoom call or something that I tend to just ignore it all.
So now what reach is doing is they're going to take that process.
I'm sure that they're not going to get drained. They'll have, you know,
they know what they're doing, but they're going to have those discussions.
And I think for their business it will grow their business a lot too right which is really cool i think as as like a
company that's managing a lot of great creators um so it's a win-win it really saves me the trouble
of something that i actually wasn't even doing before and potentially helps me find one new
company to work with that that i really enjoy damn that that's great uh good luck buddy uh shout out to reach network and
yeah that's cool I pinned my tweet for whoever was saying that was bullshit by the way I just
got another DM while we're in this call from eel saying just saw you on the reddit home page lol
so fuck you guys for calling my shit bullshit that's my third three million plus banger this
month I did three million seven million and 13 million impressions on
those three tweets and my my honest i was gonna write an article about this but articles are
overblown right now the tweets that are blowing up in my opinion by the way i the first one i did i
didn't know would blow up as big as i knew as it did sorry but i knew all three would get at least
a couple million impressions none of of them are CT related.
And what I'm realizing is that CT obviously is a bubble.
But for things to go very viral in CT, they have to have a huge appeal to regular Twitter users.
Otherwise, there is just no virality within CT, right? I think a good example is Frank's five dollar app subscription cancel thing like that's
something that still is quote unquote crypto and came from a crypto guy don't get me wrong but the
app is applicable to literally every single person in the world right um so if you're trying to write
like true bangers that are going to go viral like like reddit home page viral right now kind of
stuff it's it's don't lean into coins don't lean into coins. Don't lean into DeFi. Don't lean into...
The ones that are going to go viral are the
ones that appeal to every motherfucking person.
Oh, you caught me
eating fucking cashews, man.
Oh my god, this is so good.
No, but I agree.
Literally, I had... Oh. Apologies, this is so good. No, but I agree. Like, literally, I had...
Oh, apologies.
Give me a sec.
My biggest...
My biggest...
My biggest...
Bru is eating on his face.
Wow.
Yeah, my bad.
I thought he was going to go for a bit longer.
But yeah, like, the biggest bangers I did,
even though, like like they sort of went
viral for what my reach essentially is um if it's crypto like you're really just getting perhaps a
few hundred thousand that's like the max in my opinion um obviously like the bigger the bigger
bigger bigger accounts they can they can push it a bit more uh but yeah millions definitely web to 100 percent um and
something that's like really as simple as possible when it comes to like people engaging and and
and you know as simple but maybe like emotionally um even my pinned tweet bro not challenging the
one about the albania vpn for youtube no ads like that was hilarious when i posted that that was
i knew it would go viral i didn't know if it worked or not, but it went viral.
Yeah, bro, exactly.
Yeah.
FS7, I know you've been holding your tongue.
Oh, it's YouTube.
But it's time for you to meow at us and tell us what's up.
What's up with the new PFP? You look mad good.
Okay, I see what we're going to get today out of them.
How it's going. Yeah, bro, what's up with you, today out of them. How's it going?
Yeah, bro. What's up with you, man?
What's the new PFPs? You got a kitty?
No. I like kitties.
Actually, I'm thinking to get one.
But I had this one.
It was my favorite since Latvia.
I was thinking to change it for a month or two.
Honestly, it looks a little bit like Kim Jong-un.
You look like a dictator.
No, bro.
Don't say that about my fate.
I look even like that in real life.
Yo, by the way, speaking of dictators and dictatorships, have you guys seen the movie The Dictator?
That is one of my favorite movies in the world
by Sacha Baron Cohen.
Oh my god, if you haven't seen it,
I recommend you...
I mean, if you like to smoke trees, do that.
And if not, still hilarious.
But that movie is fucking good.
Yeah, that's a dope movie.
Actually, I want to see that one more time.
It's been a long time without watching it.
Yeah, I watch it probably every two years.
And every time I watch it, I'm just like,
Aladdin, Aladdin!
It's my background sound okay,
because I'm in the coffee shop and I'm chilling.
Can you give us any alpha on Kaito
and anything going on? Come on. I'm dumb. I don't know anything. I'm just a chill guy.
Even they don't set me in the groups because I get excited a lot and then I might mistakenly say to Bandit.
Yeah, Bandit's been telling us everything that's going on.
Yeah, he literally told us everything.
Can you just confirm what's going on?
No, I don't think that he said anything.
No, no, he did.
He did, for sure.
I have screenshots of the group chats and there's recordings of spaces as well.
Really? What did he say?
Yeah, yeah. You just remind us what he said, FS. Remind us.
I'm going to buy a kitten.
Yeah, what kind of kitty cat?
Okay, actually, I'm very curious. If you like cats, put a heart, like do the heart emoji.
And if you like dogs, put the fist emoji. I'm curious to know what way people lean. Like I'm a cat guy myself, but wow, nobody's
doing emojis. Okay. There we go. Kitties. Hey, lots of kitties. Some laughing. I don't
know what laughing emoji means. Okay. Really? We got a lot of kitty lovers in here. I think
you should get a Maine Coons. What? What do you mean what? Are you just going to buy a random kitty?
I like
British or Persian.
Yeah, nice. Okay. Yeah, I like that.
I like that. Okay.
Or the Scottish one. It's really cute.
Are you going to buzz cut your cat
to look like your PFP?
Yeah, and even I'm going
to do
custom outfits.
I go wild. I i go creative supreme kitty cat
outfits yeah yeah like actually actually uh back in uh like when i joined in january
i i was posting some content like they were kitties like uh my friend she had
kiddies like my friend she had one british and one scottish and i was saying to her just put them on
the table where she was working and then she was taking picture and in the background it was the
title website and that kind of stuff and i'm going to repost them again because they are really cute. But I want to do it in the future like that as well.
But I also like the dogs, so don't get me wrong.
But yeah, both dogs and cats.
Yeah, I like both too. I like both too.
both too uh grit what's up man i see your hand up what's going on brother
Grit, what's up, man? I see your hand up.
What's going on, brother?
gmgm if he treats the the kitten that he adopts in the way as he's explaining
he she'll kill him like during the first night when he sleeps yeah we're gonna report me adopting
one yeah for for me like adopting one was kind of like one of the best decisions in my life.
I could never imagine that I could connect so much with the animal, honestly.
Yeah, I want to go back to the CPM rates and this stuff.
I think one of the reasons for that, and it's probably like, I can bet that CPM deviates
highly from one per KOL to another.
And I feel like the big reason for that is like there are so many engagement groups.
And I feel there's like more and more of these.
And I think it might be one of the biggest reasons.
I know when I applied for our Bitroom grants and some others,
I see like since I'm mainly in Web3 Gaming,
I can see that like the numbers that people are putting in terms of like player acquisitions are so insane.
Like they intend to acquire more players than that actually exist within the WebTree gaming.
Yeah, they'll say like, we have 100,000 players and we're like, there's 4,000 of us on the CT, bro.
Yeah, yeah.
And they're not able to tackle WebTree audience as well which is a general problem in Web3, but I feel this is one of the reasons why the numbers are so high. 300 is honestly an insane number.
Yeah, that's crazy.
I just wanted to jump in with that.
But I think you're right. I think that and and I think uh
John Paul went down but he's he's also right I think that um as the landscape evolves in crypto
and more companies come to crypto or at least embrace crypto or blockchain rails um they're
gonna try and tap into crypto native people um And I really do think that that premium will stay for at least a while.
I mean, I saw the CES, like the tech conference yesterday and some of the stuff that's coming out of there.
Like there are robots like robotics is crazy.
There are laptops that have screen that grow to widescreen if you want, like change aspect ratios, and the actual screen will move, like the physical screen will change.
There's glasses that are gaming computers.
Like, tech is literally evolving so quickly.
And alongside that, the AI aspect of tech and content creation through AI is evolving so quickly.
creation through AI is evolving so quickly.
Um, and I think that having people that have brands with like true voices behind
them, um, will always supersede the, the AI generated stuff.
But I think that the AI generated stuff will replace a lot of people.
I think at the top of the totem pole where you have large, well-respected, well-known brands or people, that will carry an even bigger premium eventually because of all of these people getting acquired by companies and not being able to talk about anything else, essentially.
So, Britt, I think you're right.
That premium is crazy.
$300 is nuts.
I've never worked in ads or marketing, but I'm familiar enough with what those numbers
kind of look like. And yeah, that's astronomically just insane.
And I think trust will matter more and more as well, right? You have 2.2k to score, which is
crazy, right? And I think at one point, maybe not Tito specifically, but I would like it to be
right, I think this stuff will start to matter more and more, you know, because
like there's so much scam and somebody said like crime is okay, you know?
And I think in general, I believe like the boundaries and the standards in terms
of like what's okay to do, what's not okay to do, are kind of broken in Web3.
Even in many cases, for me personally, I realized that the boundaries with which I entered the Web3 and what Web3 stands for, it's not exactly what you think.
You spend a bit of time
into it.
You're super right, dude.
Sorry, keep going.
Yeah, I just
think these things are going to change over time.
It's required to change
in order to get better
adoption. I come from a third world
country, Serbia, where
there's a lot of people that don't
have a lot of money, but ones that does, they're super against crypto because all of them, they
know somebody that got scammed or that lost funds or something like that. And regulations here are
non-existent. So I got hacked on Binance
and there's no authorities
that would solve my problem
or ask for the
KYC of the person that
did it or anything.
And I feel once you see these things
happen and happen again
over and over, it's very
difficult to get rid
of that sentiment.
And I feel like many people over and over, it's very difficult to get rid of that sentiment.
And I feel like, even though many people say price action is bad,
you can't say it's bad when you see the Bitcoin at these levels.
But the sentiment within the retail, I feel it's very, very bad.
Even these types are great for connecting with people.
I think I'm super bullish on spaces and super bullish on video content.
And I feel, as you said, you know, I think brands will look into this stuff more and more, but like on the adoption, I think it will take a bit, you know, we need like more of a purge in order for like bullish sentiment to continue you're
you're so right for the market to mature and progress we need yeah we need to weed out some
of the bullshit and you're super right i think ethos has done a really good job at being one of
the first to market platforms with that on-chain reputation that works and i'm starting i agree
with you fully by the way because i'm starting to see other companies mochaverse recently launched a similar reputation it's different than ethos but
similar idea of like just proving who you are through on-chain actions um and fluent now which
is launching their on-chain reputation system like there are more companies that are trying to
go to market with their own iteration of what reputation is. And whether that's to, like you're saying, help weed out
scammers or give reviews like Yelp saying, I like this person, had a good interaction, or
whether it's for more companies or institutions that are looking for real active users and
removing sibles, right? So kind of going back to what we're talking about before with the whole
Kaito now having this map of what your followers have in their wallets.
That's a really cool system of kind of weeding out some of the bots.
Like if you have a bot farm of a million bot accounts, but they're all
bots with no on-chain wallets and no on-chain actions, you might have a
million followers, but you have $0 dollars in follower TVL, right? So it's very cool to see how companies are approaching this really big
problem. I think it's plaguing the space and it's going to be very cool to see kind of what
iterations actually succeed in helping find real people, helping people find reputation,
and like you said, help the market mature
so that it's safer and easier to navigate
for more regular people that aren't trenching every day
in the social aspect of Twitter.
Man, go ahead.
You had your hand up for quite some time.
Oh, sorry, great.
Go ahead if you want to see me. I mean, no worries like i i was gonna bring up a different topic so i know
i think crypto grit maybe had something else he wanted to say so
you guys can get back to me if you want no worries no no go ahead go ahead
all right well um i appreciate you having me here pleasure Pleasure to be here, Jamsi, for episode one of your space, bro.
This is definitely going to be a great space going forward. So excited for you, brother.
What I wanted to ask you is it feels like InfoFi has reached such a large stage in creating perceptions and building trust and loyalty for products.
and building trust and loyalty for products. Yet spaces remain to be one of the best ways for
people to connect on a deeper level and to have, you know, an actual conversation about anything.
You know, it's one thing to take an info from a post, reply with your thoughts, maybe get a
response back. But to be able to actually talk through with someone in depth on topics feels like
such a greater dynamic to be tapped into.
And I feel like a lot of projects aren't reaching out to creators and people that do talk on
spaces and looking to get them involved, maybe host a space directly tied to the product.
And while you can have a natural flow of conversation
still tie that back to whatever product is behind it as kind of like the partner and just giving
them a spotlight as well yo you're you're 100 right and it's funny that you say that because
i am on the exact same wavelength as you and i started telegram like in december i think
and one of my focuses this year really
is is being super active in that telegram it's free it's open for everyone there's no like rhyme
or reason to it um but it's basically just for people to talk man like i want to share what i'm
doing in the space what i'm researching i want to be able to ask i want i want to be able to ask
other people questions even if i'm not familiar on a topic.
But I find it, and so I'll backtrack for a second.
Spaces and Telegram allow for real dialogue.
And what you're saying, I totally agree with, where if I make a tweet and people comment on it, I can selectively decide to answer or not, right?
Whereas if you're having a flowy conversation, you're able to really get into the meat and potatoes of something.
And you're able to actually have discourse, whether you agree or not, which is actually great to have discourse.
I think that it gives you perspective.
But you're very right where I think people can become a lot more educated a lot quicker through conversations.
And that's where Twitter spaces and Telegram is where conversations happen.
Twitter is not conversational like those tools are.
And I think that in the near future,
we will see more companies doing co-hosted spaces
with bigger spaces hosts who are also crypto native,
who can actually take time and say,
look, I'm going to do a spaces with you guys.
You guys can sponsor it.
I'll actually take two hours out of my day
to research the product
so that when we talk about it,
I have some sort of nuanced understanding
of what the product is, right?
You can't just go ask any person in the world
to host these spaces
because there is a lot of nuance.
But I do think that the crypto CT space hosts
that actually use crypto protocols and understand some of the language and some of the products will have a lot of success with doing something like this.
I think you're totally right.
Yeah, 100%. project itself, you know, coming forward and hosting the space. They don't even need to have
anyone talking, but having a co-host to be like a community lead. I saw cyber really popped into
like Mindshare for me because they were having really frequent spaces and I was late to that
one. I completely missed it. But if I really wanted to get into that project
and to really hear from them
and see what they were about,
or even get up there and speak to them directly
and get my questions answered,
it just feels like such a smoother way
to go about really connecting creators with the brand.
A thousand percent.
And they have X Factor too, right?
Who's someone who's in the trenches.
So he's able to help with those conversations.
I think he's working directly for them.
Maybe he's advising them, but I think he actually works for them.
And he's a crypto native person.
So they're building in crypto.
They get most of it, but they're mature enough as a company to say, look, we're not as versed as this person is.
If we hire him, he's able to help us navigate the nuance of the social aspect of Twitter, which is super important.
And I agree with you. I think you can connect tenfold with the company through that medium.
Yeah, and I took a look at it and just like what they were building because I was just curious how that kind of dynamic was playing out. out and it seems like a lot of the creators as well who didn't really have any ties to them at
all beforehand were able to come in and connect to them to there and i saw a few people that got
an affiliate badge from cyber as well just by being present in the ecosystem and like to me
there's so much there's so much freaking nonsense noise it's there's a few platforms which have made it especially bad.
But there's so much BS that like actually being just efficient with your time is like really the most important thing right now.
Yeah, I agree, man.
So I think I think we're going to see more of it going forward.
And it's cool to hear from from other people because I agree with you, but I've not really had that conversation.
But I think spaces is such a cool – I mean, this is like a social fun space. Don't get me wrong.
But I think you're right. I think businesses should be hosting more direct-to-consumer spaces and connecting with people.
I think it's invaluable what you get from that kind of connection, the rapport that you can build,
and the information you can get across.
One maybe...
Go ahead.
Sorry, can I...
Okay, thanks. One maybe
a little bit controversial take.
I feel like the reason why we are not seeing that
yet is because
there are so
many companies in the space that are here just for the money and they have employees that don't
care that much in the space in general. I know because I personally try to reach out to so many
games and they would rather pay the chain like $20k for 10 KOLs to post something
than reach out to them directly and get them to post for $50, $100. They could save like so much
money. And like this just shows like how much, like how they're trying to not put the effort
and like get the results, right? Which eventually leads to spending more money
and which is probably presented in the other departments,
not just the marketing one,
which eventually leads to so many companies failing in the space.
I agree.
That's what John Paul was saying earlier too.
That's what John Paul was saying with like, that's what john paul was saying with with like
do we become more or less valuable as an agency yet at um unbanked or bankless rather uh with time
and i think they become more valuable because you're right if you can save someone a lot of
money it's just like uh like wealth planning if you if you go see a financial advisor and you put
investments with them i i guarantee you most financial advisors will
probably get you the same rate of return between like four and eight points.
Sometimes they'll have good years.
That'll be 13 points.
Sometimes there'll be bad years.
It'll be negative five points.
But like there is no real like crazy rhyme or reason to like a portfolio or wealth manager
having like alpha year over year for 20 years straight. So what I mean by that is the real value add in working with wealth advisors, you know,
for retirement planning is it's tax stuff. It's money saving stuff. It's, it's so much more
peripheral to investments than the actual rate of return. And it's the same idea that I kind of take
with agencies like that, where it's like, yes, they can make the introductions and yes, they can get the marketing that you want done.
But there's a lot more.
They have the relationships that they've fostered over many years.
They know who the good players are.
They know who the bad players are.
They know how to navigate this conversation.
They know who's going to have better conversions in different niches.
And that's kind of like what you're saying, where I think these companies become more valuable over time.
I think these companies become more valuable over time.
And I think that you're right.
A huge value proposition in offering help in marketing and crypto
is we can actually save you guys 50% of the money we're going to spend.
That's a huge value add.
Yeah, I feel like that as well,
because 90% of the money gets wasted.
And as an agency, it's like in your interest, right?
In order to get recurring clients to deliver results.
So you will like select the right people to work with in the long run.
Right?
So, and with the assumption that you think the space will grow, you will always try
to deliver good results and like many of these games and chains, they don't know who should they work with
and who should they avoid, right?
I believe also at one moment with InfoFi, as you said,
like now you can see it kind of like total value locked in terms of connections
and this stuff.
I feel like these InfoFi platforms will evolve in a way that they will be able to track engagement groups more and this stuff and actually measure.
There are already some of them doing that, but not perfectly.
But I feel this is also the direction that we're going to head moving forward.
Yeah, InfoFi is evolving and maturing.
I agree.
Andres, I just saw the time uh it's been an
hour and a half i want to do a really good job on the spaces of keeping them like pretty one and a
half hour e so what i think we should do is run through the panel of people say hi to everyone
quickly um here two cents on something and then we'll wrap it up shortly after what do you think
that sounds perfect dude all. Alright. Sounds lovely.
Yeah, kick it off.
Kick it off, Jemsy.
Go ahead.
Kick it off for tonight.
Andrew, tell us how you really feel.
Feel good.
I just finished another meeting.
I'm done for the day.
I love it.
Yeah, text me that after.
I want to talk about that stuff. What?
You know what I'm saying.
Then call me after.
Just call me after.
Okay, okay, okay.
I'll call you after the space.
Alita, what's going on?
Yeah, I'm so good.
And what about all you all, man?
Right now, it's night in India.
And I'm waking up at 1.30.
Oh, my God, brother.
Go to sleep.
Oh, yes.
I was waiting for my time to come on the speaker.
Actually, the topic is so interesting.
So, I joined the on-chain vibes.
Actually, I am not a dev by default,
but I want to be because I missed the YouTube era
because I wanted to create it.
But that time I don't have resource and I was a student.
But now I want to do some coding stuff.
But I know if I code something,
but I don't know how to debug that and how
even i don't know how to distribute the program or even i may if i made something good
and if other person who is good and coding then it will copy that so how it make um is there any
guide or something that makes it really good?
You just nailed something that I think is so important,
and we're about to see a pivotal shift.
Actually, we're already seeing it in coding.
So a couple of years, I decided I wanted to learn to code.
I think it's a very good skill to have and will be a great skill for at least understanding coding language.
Two things.
One, I read a really cool post
the other day from someone I respect a lot who's been coding for
30 years and basically they're saying
I'm depressed. I'll always
have a little step up on everyone because I
can code and I understand all the languages, yada
yada yada, but it's sad to see all
of my skills that I've built over 40 years
get basically washed away by
AI overnight.
And then I read a post yesterday or two days ago from Leon
that was about Frank and his $5 subscription fee
vibe coded program he built.
And it hit really hard
because essentially what it said was
everybody and anybody can now develop any app.
It's not about the app anymore.
It's about distribution.
And yes, you can build an
app and someone can take it and make it a bit better, but they also might not have distribution.
So the reason why Frank is having success with his subscription app, the cancel app or whatever
it's called, is because he has a huge distribution funnel and he was able to help his first tweet go viral and break out of ct and even though it's a
very simple quad vibe coded app he's able to he was he's been making a bunch of money from it and
it has nothing to do with the app because i'm sure actually i'm not sure i'm confident because i've
seen other people make it and replicate it someone else could have made that app pretty quickly too
so it has nothing to do with the coding skills anymore it has nothing to do with the apps a lot of the the early startup
and early app mdp friction that used to exist where you'd have to you know have devs and build
it out and iterate about you can now go do and claude yourself like if you want to learn to code
my honest opinion maybe i'm naive someone correct me if i'm wrong don't learn to code i have not learned i have no idea yeah yeah i actually i've made so many games uh bubble
shooter chess candy crush type games i already made it but that's so common so i want to make
actually some some good stuff that that make uh revenue or that help people so it can make revenue or that help people. So it can make revenue after that.
Okay.
So what you should do is go to sleep and in the morning when you wake up,
because it's late,
think about this.
Yeah.
I'm going to give,
I'm going to tell you what you should do,
how to brainstorm this.
Where is there a gap in the market where people have an issue?
Think about people in real life, your friends, your family, your colleagues.
Yes, you have already issued.
People are stealing your post.
I will make a cryptographic proof.
There you go.
But I don't think that works.
And the reason I say that is that might be a really cool app, but how are you going to make revenue out of it?
So you have to find something.
You have to find a pain point or an issue to solve.
But it also has to make sense in terms of someone spending money on it and the reason why frank's app has worked
really well it's a really cool case study right now is because by the way jemsy let me cut you
i will show you i have a i have a conversation with chat gpt i'm not even kidding um from like
three months ago where i was like i i felt like doing, because I've, I vibe coded a few apps
back in December. Right. Um, and I saw that like, it got pretty a lot better this year. Right. Uh,
or well, 25, 20, 25, sorry. So I was doing it in 2024. Uh, but it got way better in 2025.
Um, I literally have a chat where I went, you know, I want to solve a problem and I want it to be like something really simple, something that's applicable to almost every human on the planet.
And it gave me out five ideas.
One idea was literally what Frank built, like exactly the same idea.
It's actually fucking nuts.
No way.
At the end, it's like it's distribution right i
could have vibe coded that but like it wouldn't do anything right um it's definitely like it's
on the distribution and that's by the way the app that frank created i've been getting fucking
youtube ads for that for the past like six months it's not a new thing yeah not red rocket but
there's something there's something similar, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, like I can imagine that the conversation I had with Chad GPT, a hundred million people
had the same conversation, right?
So like, it makes sense.
Which just further, further shows that distribution is king.
And that's why I think that being, having a brand, whatever that brand is and whatever
vertical it is in life is going to become even more valuable in terms
of distribution because if you have an audience
that trusts you and will test things out
that's not something
you can vibe code
yeah
it's going to get more valuable
with time, more and more
I think so, I think there's going to be this exponential curve
so Alita, I want to hear about
what you build, Take some time.
When you started building it, shoot it
to me. I'll give it a test.
Okay, okay, okay, okay. I will definitely
do it. Good luck, brother. Sweet dreams.
I'm not going to sleep
because I need to watch web series also.
I have something.
Is Peach still here or she left?
She's listening, but I actually wanted to say goodbye.
And we're all sending her left.
Yeah, where's Among Us'
little sweetheart? Where is she?
She's probably playing Among Us, bro.
Yeah, she's in the washroom
in the bathroom playing Among Us
with two separate phones and playing against herself.
It's like playing chess against yourself. Yeah's that's a that's a fucking talent buddy
and pause what's going on all good all good chaps i'm glad to be here thank you for having us um
it's the first space and i really enjoyed the conversation here lots of wisdom man thank you
thank you for every you know input you share lots of office here.
I'm glad to, you know, connect with you and Andreas and all the amazing people in
the room so much love to you, man. Thank you.
Yo, appreciate it, man. Honestly, all the, all the credit should go to Andreas
because he's been kicking my ass to start doing this again. I've been super
lazy. So, um, he's So he's got me back up here.
Grit, any final passing words?
I wish you huge success with this space.
I am happy to see that you started
and super bullish on spaces.
So that's pretty much it.
And I wish you all guys the best in 2026.
And look, what can you do a little bit less
so you have the time for the important stuff in your life?
Because it's one of my largest mistakes
that I try to spread myself across so much stuff.
So, yeah.
That's hella good advice. I think you and Andrew
would get along. He's really good at coaching me on that stuff.
Man, I need a coach on that
stuff as well still.
Hey, just message Andrew. He'll coach you.
He charges me like 10 Bitcoin a day, but...
It's worth it. Andrew or Andrew?
Andrew, you
you give me really good insights on life
and being good to
myself and trying to live in the
moment and not look towards the future
people think you're an idiot, it's better
so they leave you alone
why do you think I'm an idiot?
what?
why do you think I'm an idiot?
that's exactly what I do too
act the
fool they leave you alone if you act uh which you are they they you know things get uh you know
they become more complicated so we do the right we do the former i i'm actually reading andrew's
like message regarding leon sabud, the fitness stuff.
He said that getting muscles won't help you.
And I'm actually somebody that was super insecure when I was younger.
There's still a part of that insecurity today.
But honestly, I was super skinny fat, more fat than skinny fat.
At the peak, I had 140 kilos of muscle, which is kind of a lot.
I was maybe 17, 18% body fat, but it's still a lot.
And I think this stuff helps you in terms of how other people perceive you,
which builds your confidence over time. It's a slow process, but it helps you in terms of how other people perceive you, which builds your confidence over time.
It's a slow process, but it helps you.
So I partially agree, partially disagree.
It's like if you work only on your body, it won't help.
But I feel it's a good start of the process for many of the people.
Because I compete in powerlifting and I know that many people that compete in powerlifting, they actually started their like super skinny kids or super
fat kids that were actually like bullied early on in the school. And it's almost everybody that
does powerlifting. So, and this helped them a lot in the journey, you know, at least to get
some confidence better than they had
early on yeah i think it's it's uh i think it's less about the muscles more about everything else
to be honest i mean like no one really gives a if you're jacked or if you're skinny as long as
you're not like overly obese i think people associate you with the lack of discipline and then
the conversation of like respect comes about but until that point
like nobody really gives a fuck like i've never looked at another man and said oh his arms are
bigger than mine i respect him more oh he's in shape i respect him more but if someone is overly
overweight then i might say i respect him less or her less this way it goes uh but that has not
happened i'm referring more to the luxury stuff uh i guess money watches uh cash whatever usually flexing
those things is a massive overcompensation uh for a lot of variety of things and i think having those
things is fantastic i think you should strive to get those things but i think if you think owning
those things uh makes you more respectable uh you're probably new money and haven't figured
out that it doesn't yet and i think you're about to learn a few hard lessons.
I think you look at the stuff because you matured, right?
And many of the people that you engage with daily, Kevin, so they will actually start
to look at you differently.
And I experienced that myself, you know, with girls, with people, you know, like nobody wants when you're like 140 kilos, nobody wants to mess with you.
You know, you don't even need, you know, to speak or to do anything.
You just appear and like the job is done in many of the situations, you know.
And I'm from Serbia where there's like a lot of crime and this stuff.
So people just try to avoid you, you know, and like
unconsciously these things happen, which kind of raises your confidence over time. You know,
I'm not saying it's the best way. Obviously, like we should work on ourselves, you know,
in different kinds of ways. But like when you're young, maybe you're not even aware that there is other way. So it's better than nothing.
At least it's, yeah, what I experienced.
I killed the space.
No, you're good.
Yeah, I know what kilos are to pounds.
So I kind of checked out after you said that, to be honest.
No, that's good
and makes sense
and I can relate I'm also from the
Balkans by the way we should maybe chat
more in the future but thanks for
thanks for being here buddy
2 I want to go to you what's good
another Balkan fucking lad
what's good man how you doing
we're ending it really briefly but
give us give us two cents what's good happy how you doing we're ending it really briefly but uh give us give us two cents
what's good happy 20 20 20 26. two you two um some city what the hell man where are you bro
hey guys jesus hey man what's good buddy how you doing
Hey guys.
Jesus fucking hey man.
What's good buddy?
How you doing?
I'm good.
How are you bro?
Yeah we're chilling man.
Slowly ending the space but um.
How you been?
2026 treating you well?
Alright. Am I Roggen?
No, no, you're not Roggen, bro.
It's not you.
No, no, you're good.
Alright, alright.
Anyway, we can hear you if you're trying to speak.
Anyway, Moxen, moving on.
Any last words before we ended here
Okay, so you thanks for game. Okay, so yeah should I if I say something yeah, go ahead go ahead
Yeah, it's midnight. I'm enjoying your like space. It's it's it's your first time you're doing space, right?
If it's the first time? As I know.
I'm joined first time.
Yeah, it's the first time this year.
We did, I think, two, three last year,
Jameson, maybe four-ish.
Yeah, we did three or four last year, I think, and then we wanted to get something scheduled
on a weekly basis.
Yeah, we'll still see if this is the time to do it,
but yeah, they're gonna be
regular from this point on yeah so i i set a reminder for joining the space it's midnight
already here because we are in asia and you know it's midnight here and i enjoyed a lot and i learned
a lot from this space and yeah uh i'm looking forward to learn more from JemZ,
how to like improve content.
Oh, from JemZ, for me.
Thanks, buddy.
Fucking A.
Jeez.
I'm glad you learned something because I lost brain cells.
I usually do when I speak, so.
Yeah.
The best thing come when you lost your brain good bro well thanks for tuning in where
do you say you're from india asia uh i'm from bangladesh bangladesh that's awesome man well
it's midnight for you go to bed bro get some sleep your wife's waiting for you yeah yeah
yeah i'm going to sleep after this space good man well i think we're wrapping it up here. Are we all done, Andres?
I wasn't keeping track.
No, we're good.
We're good.
I think we got to everyone.
Oh, wait.
Some city.
Quick.
Oh, yeah.
There you go.
10 seconds.
Rush.
Well, GM, GM, GM to everybody.
Yeah, it's the first time joining this piece.
GM to Jamzy.
GM to Andres.
GM to FS7. Andres. Everybody everybody so i'm very happy to be in this
space of course is the man the main man jamsie so yeah i'm happy to be in this space so a very
quick one i just have a question to ask and um i hope i get your reply from yeah so it's relating to this info fee something, threshold, and this YARP threshold.
So I don't know, I'm open to learning.
That's the reason why I joined this space.
I'm open to learning.
I want to have another idea,
another mindset of what to do next.
So, and it's regarding this YARP something,
YARP YARP something. So I don't know, I it's regarding this YAP something, YAP something.
So, I don't know.
I'm not actually ending YAPs,
though my YAPs is kind of small,
but, you know, it's not actually growing.
So, I don't know if there's any techniques to,
or is there any hack?
There is. There is.
You want to hack on how to grow your mind,
sure, and YAPs, right?
That's what you're saying?
I'm just asking if there's any hack,
if there's anything different that I can actually do
to break out from this yaps deal
because I'm struggling with yaps.
I'm not actually gaining my yaps in this,
and I'm not growing.
Yeah, I hear you, bro.
I hear you.
The number one hack to gaining yaps and growing your mind share
is to not give a fuck about yaps or mindshare.
And what I mean by that is if you turn around and you start posting things on Twitter that you actually enjoy,
that aren't InfoFi regurgitation and aren't just trying to farm mindshare,
I guarantee you, you will grow on Twitter, you will make friends, and you will grow your yaps.
The people that try way too hard about yaps and think that they're in the app jail,
they're filtered by an algorithm that's made to filter people out that are acting in a certain way
so if you want to grow if you want to get more yaps don't even check your yaps for a month
find things you like to talk about go post about them go research them go use them
and if people find it valuable they'll engage with your stuff and you will gain yaps
okay so you're practically you're practically telling me that i should They'll engage with your stuff and you will gain the apps.
Okay.
So you're practically telling me that I should talk something different from the info fee, something, something like the project on info fee.
I mean, no, no, no.
It could be from anything.
It could be on InfoFire or not. But I think, I guess my point, I'll iterate it in a different way is find any project, whether it's listed on InfoFire or not, that you enjoy. Use it, put money on chain, play around with it, find things you like about it,
find things you don't like about it. But if you genuinely enjoy the product or the protocol,
and you post something educational or valuable that other people haven't seen from a perspective
that you can offer, I guarantee you will grow. if you're just posting to regurgitate all these different threads for new updates on
a platform whether it's on info fire or not i guarantee you're shooting yourself in the foot
okay thank you very very much i get you thank you very very much i'm hoping to connect with you sir
I get you.
Thank you very, very much.
I'm hoping to connect with you, sir.
By the way, I'm from Nigeria.
I am from Nigeria.
Thank you very much.
Big shout out, Nigeria, baby.
Boom, boom, clap.
Thank you, Andramaz.
Thank you to Andre.
God bless you.
I'm hoping to connect with you.
God bless you all.
I think that's a wrap, lads.
Drew, we got you on, but we're about to end it.
You want to say your final words?
You guys are good.
I mean, look, I'm late, but guys, share the reminders for next week.
That's about it.
Everybody put your reminders on and jump back in with Jensen Andres.
That simple.
Appreciate you.
That's a big shout, bro.
I love you, man.
Actually, we've got to catch up after. I'll show you a DM after about your stuff. I want to know if you talk to that simple. Appreciate it. That's a big shout, bro. I love you, man. Actually, we've got to catch up after.
I'll show you a DM after about your stuff.
I want to know if you talk to that company.
That works for me.
Ping me.
Okay.
It looks like we're going to wrap it here, guys.
It's been almost two hours.
All love, especially Nigeria.
Bumbaklat.
We'll catch you guys next week.
Peace and love from me.
Go be nice to yourselves.
Get some exercise.
Maybe have a beer.
Andres, anything?
No, that's it.
Have a beer.
Have a good one, lads. you
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