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Orange Protocol - Ontology Weekly Community Update
Recorded: April 25, 2025 Duration: 0:29:40Space Recording
Short Summary
Ontology's latest updates reveal the launch of the Orange Protocol, a decentralized reputation system, alongside the introduction of ZKTLS for privacy-preserving verification. The roadmap for 2025 emphasizes multi-chain deployment and AI integration, signaling significant growth and strategic partnerships in the Web3 ecosystem.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. GM, GM, happy Friday, and it is actually Friday this time.
Dave, do you want to just do a quick tech check to make sure everyone can hear us before we get started?
Yep, I can.
That's not a good start. We lost you there, Dave.
Do you want to try again?
Hey, can you hear me now?
Yeah, much better. Okay, cool.
Okay, one. So, Jam Jam, thanks so much for joining us this morning. So, last week, you
know, you guys got to listen to me talk for quite some time about all the recent updates
with Ontology from December to April.
And one of those updates was a lot about Orange Protocol and the roadmap as well. So we wanted to
invite Dave to chat with everyone today to go through. There's been some really cool campaigns
launched recently, and there's also an upcoming tech release. And then to do a little bit of a
recap of the roadmap. I'm really looking forward to this.
Dave, look, just in case, I do see a lot of new faces. I see a bunch of our Harbingers here again,
so thanks guys for joining. But just for anybody that's not familiar with Orange, could you give a
quick intro? Have you lost you, me?
Yeah, I can hear you now.
Can you hear me?
No, I don't seem to hear you. I'm not sure if you guys can hear me better with this account.
Wow, it's not going well for us this morning.
That's two accounts.
Okay. Thank you. Okay, let's try this one more time.
Dave, can you hear us okay?
Or maybe if you can drop off and come back.
Okay, how are we this time?
Can you hear me okay?
Yeah, I can hear you now. Can you hear me?
Yes, yes.
Okay, okay, let's get straight into this.
Dave, do you want to just do a quick intro to Orange, and then I'll start with all the questions.
Yep, sure thing. So, very simply, Orange is a decentralized reputation protocol. So we're trying to tackle
the problem that you've got in Web3, where a lot of it's anonymous. There's a lot of kind of
separation, low interoperability between different chains and protocols. And we wanted to create a
portable reputation score that you could take across all these different projects and chains and everything
that allows them to measure the value of you as a potential user, potential player,
if it's blockchain gaming, various other things.
So we've been working kind of pretty hard on this for the last little while.
We've managed to onboard a whole bunch of different data sets and models that are really starting to add value for a lot of different projects that are utilizing us.
And we've got a lot kind of planned for 2025 as well. So excited to get started on that.
Cool. Well, let's get straight into the latest update. Right.
latest update right so it would be great i think for you to maybe do an official announcement of
the update and then for us to learn a little bit more about what's inspired the development of
zktls and i guess how do you guys see this like i guess improving or maybe setting a new standard
for privacy preserving verification of web 3 yeah well i think you hit on the key word there
uh claire which is which is privacy and that's what ZKTLS addition offers to Orange.
So basically, yeah, the development of ZKTLS was driven by a need
to basically bridge Web2 data with Web3 identity
in a way that respects the user's privacy.
We're seeing now that more and more projects are requiring proof
of real-world activity,
whether social presence or KYC-compliant exchange use.
But the big challenge, I think, has been in verifying this data without compromising the user's anonymity.
So ZKTLS, which is a bit of a mouthful,
solves this by basically enabling privacy-preserving attestations
using zero-knowledge proofs.
So we've seen ZK proofs across a wide range of different applications,
and this is just a new way to integrate it that helps preserve the user's privacy
but still allows projects to verify and identify for compliance,
for social presence, or whatever it might be,
without exposing sensitive information.
Yeah, ZKTLS actually is a little bit difficult.
We should reconsider that.
How does ZKTLS enhance the Orange Humanity score?
I'm sure a bunch of folks are familiar
with the Orange Humanity score.
And kind of like what kinds of new data sources
do you think will be verified?
Yep, yeah, it's a really good question.
So for those who don't know, Orange Humanities score is like the core product of Orange.
It's our way of generating a reputation score for any user on the platform that they can
take across the whole Web3 space.
So how ZKTLS supports this, it basically expands the type of verifiable actions users can perform to build this on-chain reputation.
We can now pull in like verifications, associations from a wider variety of sources.
So not just social platforms like say Twitter, Discord, but also now major crypto exchanges like Binance, OKEx, Bybit, etc.
So it means basically that users can boost their OHS by proving account ownership, KYC
status, or even asset thresholds without actually disclosing the data to Orange on our side.
So we can verify this without actually needing to see the data, which is the key thing.
This is all super interesting. and I think like for maybe
for people to understand a little bit better would you be able to like walk us through so any of the
like initial verification types of this ZKTLS support I guess yeah look especially maybe
those involving social accounts or crypto exchanges? Yeah so I think we've chosen like a
very sort of small curated group of sets, a set of verification
types that we want to launch this with.
So the most obvious one is Twitter or X, if you call it that.
So we're able to verify account ownership, we're able to look at deeper data, like follower
thresholds, do you have greater than one follower, one greater than 10, greater than 100 for example. So we can enable this sort of social credibility
scoring because yeah obviously what you've seen now with like bot accounts and stuff like that
is they tend to have very low followings. Whereas people of real accounts tend to have like over
100 like most of their social platforms. I think the second one we've looked at is Discord.
For this, it's just a pure account ownership.
So this in combination with Twitter shows us this person
has a certain level of activity and is connected
across real accounts.
And then finally, the one that I kind of mentioned
at the start, which is the exchange verification.
So any of the major exchanges we're covering now,
I think we're covering Binance, OKEx, Bybit, Gain and a couple of others so for this
one this is probably the the deepest level of verification that we have
because it covers account ownership it also covers KYC status which if you've
had to do these KYC status like you have to do them for every exchange and
it's a pain and then tiered asset balances. So similar
to followers, if you have greater than $10 on your Binance, you can have greater than
$100, greater than $1,000. But at the same time, we're not getting access to the specific
data. So basically the CKTLS allows us to verify this without violating the user's private
data essentially.
So we chose these verification types
because they signal kind of real world credibility
and user engagement, but they also cover a wide spectrum
both social and financial identities.
So I think it gives us a pretty balanced view.
If you're an active user in the space,
you're gonna have a Twitter account,
you're gonna have a Discord account,
you're gonna have tokens on exchanges, various exchanges.
Most people have them on centralized exchanges anyway. So yeah, this gives us kind of a way to
measure these things alongside the other data sets and data models that we have as part of Orange.
So it's essentially like a more simplified approach, but it seems like with added security. So
I think everybody in this space is looking for something like this.
But what about some integrations, right?
So hopefully folks know about OnLogin.
So are there any specific improvements maybe that OnLogin
brought to Orange Protocol for the user experience?
Yeah, definitely.
I think OnLogin is great because it's pretty seamless.
It's privacy preserving. You can connect it to your seamless, it's privacy-preserving.
You can connect it to your wallet.
It's secure, it's user-friendly.
We're obviously an ecosystem project of ontology, so for us it's a win-win.
I suppose from the user's perspective, your login process is frictionless,
We can now support a wider range of wallets, for example.
but under the hood we can now support a wider range of wallets, for example. We've got enhanced identity management.
We've got enhanced identity management.
And in terms of future plans,
we're actively always kind of exploring integration
and more identity frameworks.
On the one side, to add more value for projects,
but also to further decentralize the Orange ecosystem.
Awesome. Thank you so much.
And then what about Farcaster? Is there an upcoming integration
around Farcaster? Do you kind of think that this will help you guys to expand the use of OHS maybe
for privacy first social verifications? Yeah I think Farcaster is an interesting one because
like we've seen a lot of like web3 social platforms kind of come and go or not get enough
traction. Farcaster seems to be one of the ones that's really gaining ground.
So we thought that this would be a good first dive into Web3 social verification.
So essentially what we've done now is we've added this decentralized layer of social proof within the OHS framework.
So when folks verify their Firecaster activity, they'll be able to link decentralized social
engagement to their OHS, again, without compromising privacy.
So again, it just kind of gives us more use cases for OHS across communities that value
like Web3 native interactions versus like Twitter or Discord, for example.
Yeah, Forecaster just seems like such a good fit for something like this that's being developed so
I know it's a potential integration but hopefully we can see that being launched soon and I know
you just mentioned X so maybe with the X verification API now in development do you do
I don't know if you I know because obviously you're not on the tech side but do you have
any insights into maybe the goals for making this service available to maybe other projects
yeah so I think this is an interesting one
because if anyone is in kind of the dev space,
they know that the X API is extremely expensive
when you go to kind of any sort of large scale.
So our goal is basically to offer a ZKTLS-powered X verification API
as this sort of plug-and-play solution.
So it's much more affordable.
It still has the privacy protection, protecting social verification.
And like, as I mentioned, the cost of accessing
like Twitter's official API is a barrier for a lot of teams.
So we're hoping to kind of jump in and fill that gap a little bit
by offering like this decentralized zero knowledge alternative.
Long term, we probably see this could be coming like one of our core offerings
and would help to kind of fuel other identity centric platforms in the web3 space yeah definitely thanks so much for
that i know we're on x right now but i mean the issues with the um api i think is just adding to
that long list of issues that folks are kind of seeing continuously grow unfortunately but back
to zktls um more technical questions d Dave. I guess it's a technical update.
But so with ZKTLS, how does it ensure user privacy while verifying sensitive Web2 information, for example, like exchange balances or KYC statuses?
I know you touched on this earlier, but any other info would be great.
Yeah, I think a good way to think of it is it's like a trusted kind of middleman.
Yeah, I think a good way to think of it is it's like it's like a trusted kind of middleman.
So basically what ZKTLS does is it uses zero-knowledge proof systems
to confirm that a specific condition is true.
So say I want to know, hey, is this wallet that's tied to this KYC Binance account
have over $100 in it?
And the ZKTLS won't give me specifics on it,
but what it will tell me is that the conditions are true.
So say there could be $100,000 and they won't tell me there's $100,000,
and just say, yes, it does have over $100.
So it does never expose the underlying data.
So this means that even like sensitive Web2 data,
like exchange balances remain encrypted and private, but you're still getting this credible on-chain attestations to say these things are true.
Yeah, so it's just like a kind of verification method that still secures the privacy of the user.
It's like a nice little layer over kind of anything that you don't want anybody else to know about.
But yeah, it still ensures privacy and security.
So what about reducing costs for projects?
If we have any developers on the call today, they might be interesting.
So, for example, in what way would ZKTLS help reduce costs for projects
that I guess would otherwise rely on centralized or expensive verification systems?
Yeah, I think it's an interesting one because it's expensive to build your own identity
solution. That's the first thing. Even if you do, you're still kind of prone to, unless
you've done something very specific, you're still prone to the costs of the need for centralized
API verification fees. So what we're trying to do with ZKTLS specifically is slash this overhead that you
typically associate with identity validation. So we've built this lightweight SDK structure so
you can easily integrate it without like added infrastructure costs. So for projects in general,
this means you can have scalable self-sovereign verification infrastructure without sacrificing
user privacy or costing yourself a whole bunch of cash, which for smaller projects, this is obviously
really interesting. Awesome. Okay, cool. And that's pretty much everything I have for ZKTLS.
I know it's quite a lot, so I'd recommend folks to maybe listen back to the call and check out
the article. Dave, I've got a couple of other questions just on what you guys are working on,
but could you give folks just maybe a quick summary
of ZKTLS before we move on to our last two questions?
Yeah, so essentially what we're trying to do with this
is improve the range of verification
and reputation parameters that we can kind of use,
but also still maintain as much security
and privacy for users as possible.
Awesome. That summarized really nicely with all the technical stuff you went into.
But thank you so much for that.
So I'd love to know about any active campaigns that you guys have,
and maybe if there's folks that would like to get involved in them.
I know there's a big OHS campaign that's been running.
Yeah, so yeah, we have our Orange Humanity score.
It's like an ongoing campaign.
Every month there's a prize pool there for people who verify and mint their mint their reputation with their ohs um so that's a really interesting one always always happening
and then we've got a bunch of other projects uh that run campaigns with us uh various different
prizes and um tasks to complete a lot of them are quite interesting communities
that are really focused on kind of building a high value,
basically a high value community of users or players
or whatever it might be.
Yeah, so I'd say just go into the Orange site,
click on campaigns and check out what's live there
at the moment.
There's always a bunch of different ones,
always some real fun ones as well,
if you're into kind of the blockchain gaming side as well.
Great, Dave, thank you so much.
And we have about 10 minutes left.
So I'd love to do a bit of a recap of the 2025 roadmap.
Are there like really main,
like are there kind of specific key priorities for you guys,
whether it's, obviously we just went quite technical today, but anything more around community focus or anything else?
Yeah, yeah, we're kind of trying to, I suppose, just expand the offering that we have.
Although the Orange Humanity score is chain agnostic, we're still kind of beholden to, like most other projects, to the chains that we can launch campaigns and stuff on.
So that's the other side of what Orange does.
So one of the big things, I suppose, is multi-chain deployment.
So we're looking at high-performance blockchain.
So you're Solana, Avalanche, Nier, Monad.
And we want to make sure we're kind of always working on interoperability
because reputation scoring is great, but if it doesn't if
it's not portable if you can't take it across multiple chains or multiple ecosystems then it
loses a lot of the value and as part of that i suppose that we're trying to kind of align
ourselves with major projects within those chains like we did that with base recently on our launch
i had a really really good kind of collaboration with gamic and with gm tribe to launch that
I had a really good kind of collaboration with GAMIC and with GM Tribe to launch that.
And it just, yeah, it offers value for their communities.
And then we get more data sets, more access to, yeah, users that kind of mint their OHS and build that network there as well.
So that's one of the major things.
I think the second one is probably on the AI side.
Everyone's kind of trying to enhance their project or protocol with AI.
So AI enhanced reputation and identifying verification are an obvious one for us.
So what we're looking at is like AI models that analyze on-chain behavior, proving the
proof of humanity and also giving us greater symbol resistance.
We're also deploying dynamic scoring mechanisms that adapt to user activity.
Predictive fraud verification, reputation-based identity analytics for enterprise use is a major
kind of area of growth at the moment. And then finally, developing centralized AI reputation
workflows for external applications. So they're kind of some of the kind of expansion and strategic
growth objectives that we've set for 2025. There's a whole bunch of other stuff there, but
yeah, I'm not sure if we want to dive that deep into it.
Look, I think we can give you a break. It's been quite a technical call, and I really do appreciate
you taking the time to join us this morning.
I know you're always on so many calls, so I do appreciate the extra time.
Is there anything you just want to wrap up quickly?
I'm going to do a really quick community update then.
Yeah, as I said, I'd encourage everyone to mint their Humanity Score,
start joining some of the campaigns that are on Orange,
get you involved in some really cool up-and-coming projects and communities.
And yeah, just those two. Obviously, follow us on Twitter and Discord, all the usual places as well.
Awesome. Appreciate your time. So yeah, so there we go. So that's the latest update from Orange Protocol. So that's going to be the ZKTLS. We may consider a new name, but it's actually not too bad,
but it's going to be really interesting. i think they're going to have some additional campaigns launched around it's a little bit more educational
content as well and as always if anybody has questions you can reach out to myself dave or
jeff or anybody across the team but i just wanted to do a quick reminder uh to any all the folks
that are on the call about our new uh on net starter package so the whole point of developing
the starter package is to make sure that there's support for anybody new to the community that wants to get started with Ontology.
So you can access kind of all of our products. And as I said, there's additional support there
along the way, which is provided by our fantastic Harbingers. So we provide six loyal NFTs. So you
can collect 10 and swap 50 ONG. There's 50 ONT plus 0.5 ONG. So for 40 new ONT ID holders, these will be
selected every month. So make sure that you're creating your ONT ID and that you're eligible
obviously for this and then you get additional kind of funding just to support you guys and like
maybe starting out to stake. Also there's going to be much more guided onboarding. As I said, yeah, we're really getting
support from our Harbingers. So it's important for you guys to go and join the community, make sure
that you're on Telegram, you're in Telegram on Discord. And there's some key steps is to introduce
yourself. So in the Telegram English group, and then also in the Discord self intro channel.
Yeah, mention your partner community in in your intro that would also be great
and then you're going to get support to kind of go through this whole process and there's kind of a
couple of forms but as always if there's any questions i don't hesitate to um to reach out
always happy to answer anything additional so yeah so there's been a really conversation around
zk proofs um i've seen kind of our harbingers and jeff are posting a lot of content around that
we're going to be posting a lot more content related to this and also with Ont ID on the blog as well.
So I'm really excited to launch a bunch of that and that we can probably do a deep dive together in one of our community calls.
Also, another great campaign that just wrapped up was the Ontology and Let's Exchange giveaway.
We saw really great interaction with this.
You know, it's always great to work with the folks in Let's Exchange.
We had that AMA with them.
So hopefully we're going to be launching
another campaign with them soon.
I also believe Jeff is working behind the scenes
to get another campaign off the line.
Off the line?
Okay, that is totally gone.
Over the line.
Another campaign over the line where I think it's,
I don't want to give away too much,
but maybe I'll talk about it a little bit more
the next week or after once Jeff has launched it. But I think it's
going to be a lot of fun. It involves a huge amount of creativity. We know a couple of our
partners have also launched campaigns like this before and the community seemed to love it.
Also, I always take this time, you know, to kind of do a call out to folks to see, you know,
if you guys have feedback on any of the campaigns that we've launched or any campaigns you think we should be launching.
I'll shout out to our Harbingers as well today. Also, any content that you'd like to see us write.
I know we're always kind of keeping on top of trends with content. That's pretty much a large focus of what I have to do.
So if there's anything we're ever missing, it would always love some feedback.
And again, it would be great to see more support
on the Onternet starter package.
It's a really cool initiative.
I think we've never had something
that brings together every element of ontology
and then that there's like kind of consistent support.
So really utilizing our Harbingers there.
Okay, folks, that's everything for me today.
But yeah, we do have
more upcoming campaigns. And again, a shout out to Dave for joining us. I mean, that guy
has more calls than I do in a day. So I appreciate him coming on to go through this new release. But
yeah, watch this space. We'll be sharing any of the content that they share around any new
campaigns. I think there's got to be more educational content coming up as well. Thank you.
