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All right, I think it looks like we've got a decent crowd. Let's kick things off, I think.
Absolutely, yeah. So thanks for joining us, everyone. This is Rob here from Alchemy Pay.
We've got Grover joining us from Psy, who you just heard from. Yeah, we've got some great news
that Psy is announcing today, working on some brilliant new changes and additions and improvements.
So very exciting. We did a space last year, actually, chatted together. Very excited to be
working with Psy. I think it's a really exciting blockchain. And so yeah, should we just explain
a little bit about who we are, Grover? Would you want to introduce yourself?
Sounds good. Yeah, so hi, everyone. Good to see some familiar faces here. So yeah,
my name's Grover, at least in Web3. I am the head of marketing over here at Psy. I've been with the
team since around the beginning, roughly. And yeah, seen everything through from the initial test
net way, way back on Atlantic 2, back in 2022, through to mainnet launch in August, and now
the next thing, which we can talk about more in this space. But yeah, over to you, Mr. Alchemy Pay.
Okay, great. So just for those of you who don't know, Alchemy Pay is working with, say,
by integrating its chain and supporting its token, the native token for the chain, on and off-ramp.
And Alchemy Pay provides a lot of payment services. So we're licensing payment service
provider, but it's a fiat crypto payment gateway that allows people to move funds
between fiat and crypto really easily. And so therefore, the token is really important
to the blockchain, to the payment, to the network. So yeah, it's a pleasure to be supporting the
network and see you guys keep developing and developing. Yeah, so do you want to give us
a brief overview of, say, in the sort of core vision behind it?
Yeah, so say is a layer one blockchain, open source, decentralized, all the beautiful things
that you guys will be you'll know and love with other layer one blockchains, with one core
distinction, which is that the chain is optimized at every level of the stack to be as highly
performant as possible. So a little bit of background about the vision and the motivation
behind the project. A lot of the team are from the San Francisco Bay Area with experience in
other sort of high paced tech companies. Originally, the co-founder Jay was at Robinhood. And that led
to a lot of the motivation around the GameStop saga and people switching off the buy button.
That was really a moment for him to realize he wanted to build his own on-chain decentralized
exchange that could rival those centralized exchange services. But he realized that the
infrastructure wasn't there in the first place. So that was the inspiration originally to say,
which is to facilitate crypto apps, which can compete and have a web to like user experience
with all the benefits of crypto, like I mentioned, like self custody and decentralization.
So this is achieved by building up the most performant and the fastest time to finality
blockchain infrastructure possible, which is obviously accessible and open to as many
developers as possible. And we think that really moves the needle in the crypto space.
So that's some of the thesis behind why Zay exists in the first place. So yeah, that's a bit
about Zay. I think there's a lot of talk and with alchemy pay as well, it's very interesting
because there's a lot of talk about connecting between blockchains. But there's not as much
talk about connecting blockchains to what some people might call the real world, but other
people might call the off-chain world. So yeah, that's important for us.
That's been our own sector. We're quite sort of into what we're doing, you know, and you know,
oftentimes it's about licensing. It's about being able to work with traditional finance to connect
it to crypto. So yeah, for example, a couple of licenses recently in, well, I actually saw
Elon Musk and X have now got 11 licenses in the US. We just got our Arkansas and Iowa licenses. So
I mean, the US is an unusual place. But yeah, as a payment provider, you know,
building a network is a huge thing. And that really is like our own. If you talk to other
providers in the space, other on-ramp, off-ramp providers,
also people who do, you know, debit cards, you know, crypto-funded, MasterCard, Visa cards,
that sort of thing. You know, it's really a sector that has seen a lot of development
during the crypto winter. So yes, the infrastructure in terms of, you know, the aspect of bridging
and gateway payments, yeah, really has developed in the last couple of years. By the way,
when you were saying, I think the interesting thing about say is that because you've kind
later to the blockchain space, you've been able to develop knowing the limitations that
other chains have, the difficulties that other chains have. And so you can build from the
ground up. You know, I think that's 100%. Do you think that's some of the excitement around
say as well? Yeah, I like to say that say builds on the shoulders of giants, because it's
definitely true. A lot of the foundation work, a lot of, you know, like, for example, with this
EVM parallelization, we're taking guess and we're using that as the client. And that's
battle tested, it's been proven, and it's been used for years and years. And so it's well
understood the same with tandem and consensus, we took that and made modifications to it. But
that was well understood and been used for a long time is proven. So like, exactly that by coming
in, and sort of all the benefits of modern hardware that have developed in the last five
years, even as well. There's a lot of stuff that we can we can leverage, and sort of take the
take the space to the next level, I suppose, not to sound too, too cheesy. But maybe, yeah,
I'll be interested if you could give us a brief overview of sort of the thesis and the core
vision of alchemy pay as well. I think that might be helpful. Oh, yeah, sure. So yeah,
we're a crypto payment gateway. So we any kind of payment checkout that you do online,
for example, you'll be used to how a checkout page looks, you know, it's it's often a plug in
that connects to the platform you're using that's integrated within the platform that you're using,
you know, say like Amazon or something like that, you know, there's a checkout page.
Now we work with many, many different wealth throughout different sectors of crypto,
in terms of different layer one networks, different scaling layer networks, different
developers who are building platforms on, say, for example, on, you know, various chains,
because blockchain is, you know, somewhat unfortunately, so, you know, multi chain at
the moment, which I think is a difficulty. But yeah, so we're we're working without facilitating
payments, making it making it possible for people to buy NFT. So we have an NFT checkout,
which still, you know, we have we have more to come on that more usability and capability
to come on that. We're really excited about the crypto card that we have right now.
If you go to our Twitter page, so if you go to at alchemy pay on Twitter, then you'll see pinned at
the moment we have the crypto mastercard that you can get, I think it's both virtual and physical,
but it may just be virtual. So just online, but we also have a physical version as well.
So yeah, go check that out. Do check out our page alchemy pay.org. And actually, yeah, maybe you
want to give a little sort of, do you have a link tree or a website that you like a particular thing
you'd like to send people to? Yeah. So if you go to the page, or the account I'm talking from now,
say at say network, there's a link tree just there in the in the bio. And you can hop on there,
and you can hop on there, you can look at the website, join the discord, etc. Find out more about
say, so yeah, I think that's your point about fragmentation is definitely really important,
and something we're thinking about a lot, as well as this idea that it's it's actually,
so like, maybe, maybe it'd be interesting, I think, for everyone to understand, like,
the very fundamental piece, which is, and if I understand this correctly, so applications can
like integrate without being paid directly. And so you can onboard directly into the app
without going through like a centralized exchange, you can go via that route instead.
Absolutely. And, and also, if you, you know, if you're someone who actually is interested
in the ethos of web three, you know, the idea of custody, doing custody in your own assets
is kind of at the core of that as well, not relying on a third party to custody or assets
for you. Now, for some people, that's, you know, different people have different feelings about that
and thoughts about that. But, you know, with us, we're not even sort of part of that debate,
you know, if you buy any kind of digital assets, you know, in most cases, it will just send it
directly to your to your wallet. Okay, now it's for you to, you know, it's yours, you decide what
you'd like, who you'd like to custody it, you know, with an exchange, you're making the decision,
you know, they will be using on ramp providers, then, you know, so it'll be integrated into their
system. And then you're saying like, well, and you're custody for us. So you know, we do do that,
there is possible ability for for us to work with centralized wallets in that would be
well, I mean, there are different cases, you know, a lot of different cases, you know, so
yeah, I think it's, it's a core motivation for us is always keep developing as well, you know,
so certainly in the couple of years, I've been here, working with the team, we really have
expanded our capabilities as a payment provider have massively expanded. So yeah, it's been
it's been fantastic. So look, you wanted to talk, I believe today, a little bit about
the development of sigh, say, the two version two, is that right? Yes, sir. Yes, exactly. Let's
explain this. So um, yeah, I think set the scene. We've spoken to a ton of developers. And like I
mentioned before, the purpose and the motivation for say is to build the blockchain infrastructure
that the most developers can use and can actually move the needle forwards in crypto. And it turns
out that most developers want integration with the VM, the theory of virtue in theory and virtual
machine, because that's where most of the work, the tooling applications, mindshare exists. And so
this is something that the team had picked up a while ago, back in sort of end end of 2020
three 2022. I can't honestly remember. But yeah, this is something that we picked up again,
and we've announced in November that the first parallelized EVM will be launched as part of
save you to. So one thing that's really, really clear to us as a team is that the EVM is here to
stay. It has this terminal velocity and extremely unlikely we think for the EVM to lose its
majority market share in the next 12 to 18 months, at least. So other execution environments
exist, like movie and fuel, etc, etc. But they're going to have a hard road ahead,
because you need to, you know, it's like JavaScript and web web two, even though it might not be the
best language, it has a ton of support. So the default, the devs use will be the EVM.
Yeah, I know, I think that's the key thing in terms of blockchain and any kind of network
is the idea of network effect, you know, that idea that once you reach a certain kind of
size and reach that, you know, now you become more of the incumbent, you know, and more of the
lot of Lindy, the more normal there. Yeah, you take more of the market share.
Exactly, exactly. However, so the problem is with the EVM right now on all the existing
chains that are running it, is that it doesn't really scale throughput. So on Ethereum layer one
and Ethereum roll ups, you can't get more than 30 sustained transactions per second,
which really, really limits the design space on Ethereum, because many, many applications that
you might want to run the consumers need, want to be submitting more than 30 TPS.
So this is where say comes in by basically by integrating with guess, which is the client
EVM client, we're going to build it to say it lets you get the best of Ethereum and Solana.
That's the way I like to explain it super simply. So you get the EVM and you get all of the mind
share and tooling around it. Plus, you get the kind of fast execution environment that Solana
might offer on top. So that's that's sort of like really, really simply put what it looks like,
there are a number of other improvements and motivations to get into beyond just paralyzing
the EVM. But that's, yeah, it all contributes back to this idea. So yeah, so do you I mean,
this is a very exciting news. And I mean, do you think this is stress tested?
Yeah, so we've been running. So there's a few elements here. So say has been running on mainnet
since August. And in that time, sort of seen decent amount of activity, that's using some
some proven sort of pieces puzzle pieces, like tend to make consensus, like cosm wasm,
well understood, and well sort of battle tested. I was smart contracts, by the way, just for any
anyone listening. Yeah, so like, a lot of things like good and bad tests, like one test was terror,
if you will remember that. That was a pretty big test for tenderman and believe it or not,
tenderman did fine. So, so that's, that's one good piece of evidence. The other is that by
using death, that is the most battle tested implementation of the EVM. And so that's,
that's one consideration. There's been an internal devnet running since before Christmas, sort of
December time, which will move to test nets soon. I won't put a date, but very soon. And
there'll be a public test that anyone could come and use and try and deploy some some apps and
get a feel for how this will work and how it how it runs on top of say. Okay, so yeah, so what
would the so when was this upgrade sort of proposed and and why what sort of inspired it,
specifically as the Catholic? I mean, yeah, yeah, I mean, so we announced this back in November as
a proposal. And yeah, like, like I mentioned around, like, this is this is really tapping
into the largest pool of developers and developments in crypto overall. So that's sort of where it
comes from. I think it's useful. Like, there's a lot I'm dropping a lot of technical terms. I'm
sorry. So I think one thing that's really, really helpful for parallelized EVM. It's like,
what the hell is that? So like I mentioned before, it means that anybody could come like
the Ethereum virtual machine is what's running on top of Ethereum and other EVM blockchains.
And you can come and it's fully compatible, like say will be completely the same as if you were
deploying on top of Ethereum in terms of you don't have to change your code is exactly the same.
Actually, on that note, you guys can go to the forum as well developers can go to the forum,
forum dot site, say, so sei.io. Yeah, exactly. And I think you can basically find everything
you're looking for there or a lot of it. Yeah, there's, there's a good blog post,
which puts it into sort of a little bit more straightforward, still not like,
super straightforward, but as straight as some background knowledge.
Yeah, so maybe so I talked about parallelized EVM. What the hell is parallelization?
So I use a word to pronounce it is yeah, try parallelizable. That's even harder. So I practice
that every day in front of the mirror. In fact, so the analogy I like to use here for this is,
let's say it's a really, really hot day. And you have a vending machine, which serves
10 different types of drinks. So whether you want a Coke, or a Sprite, or a Fanta,
you all have to queue in the same queue with everybody else who's like, it's a hot day,
they're all thirsty. So that's how Ethereum works right now. If you want to mint an NFT,
if you want to send a token, if you want to do something else completely,
you will have to queue up again. Yes, it is also quite expensive to use. So yeah,
which is not conducive to like global payments. But anyway, so yeah, so instead of that, imagine
instead of having one vending machine and one long queue, you have, let's say five vending
machines or 10 vending machines. And each of those serve one different type of drink.
So if you wanted Sprite, and no one else wants Sprite, you can just go straight to the front,
you can get what you want. So you don't have to queue with everybody who wants Coke, for example.
So in that way, transactions that touch different parts of the state can take place at the same time.
So that leads to a pretty reasonable performance boost by itself. The really nice thing is that
on SaveE2, that process will be optimistic, which means the developers don't have to do anything at
all. All the transactions are assumed to be parallelizable. And there's no extra work to do.
So yeah, this gives like a pretty decent performance boost. I mentioned before, like 30 TPS,
as what you can get on Ethereum or Ethereum L2. Say we're looking at something like 12,500 TPS,
and a time to finality of 390 milliseconds instead of sitting there for, you know,
15 minutes to get all your confirmations. So yeah, you can see how that sort of changes things.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So yeah, the Ethereum blockchain, you know, it has,
you know, although the EVM aspect seems to be kind of taking the lion's share at the moment,
you know, there are problems around Ethereum that remain there. And everyone likes the idea of
Ethereum as an experimental, changing, improving, developing blockchain. At the same time, it's not
so functional while that's occurring, you know, and to have purpose built blockchains able to
carry out transactions and actually share the load as well, I think is necessary. And then of course,
you've got cross chain compatibility, which, you know, has at times been an issue. And of course,
you guys are dealing with that with the version two. Yeah, and I'll always caveat that there are
always trade offs with with any design decision. So Ethereum is super, super optimized to have a
maximum validator set possible. You know, it can run a Raspberry Pi type thing, which is which is
great for that decentralization piece, if you want to if you if you are a believer that maximizing
the number of validators is the best way to do that. However, we still we have a smaller set
than Ethereum, we have higher hardware requirements, so 64 gigs of RAM, which is still pretty
attainable. It's not like a quantum computer or something. But that's just like the slight
difference. So the trade off is, you know, the hardware requirements turn into like a reasonably
beefy PC instead of running it out of a pocket calculator or something. But then, yeah, that's
that's the trade off to absolutely crank the performance to the maximum, basically. Okay.
And actually, what what so we have the the idea that it's becoming an EVM compatible chain or by
parallel parallelization, it does. But what other aspects and improvements and changes
has the V2 right now? Yeah, so there's a few things coming as well, by the way. Yeah, yeah.
So there's a few things. The first is that say we'll have two execution environments,
so you can still run or we have a cousin wasm stuff and EBM as well, all part of the core
binary. So it's part of the blockchain. Second dimension about optimistic parallelization.
The third thing, which I think is worth mentioning, is something called say DB. So every single
blockchain is going to rely on a database, which is going to contain all the state. So like,
you know, all of the information about the past transactions and who holds what balances at what
point in their accounts, it gets stored. When you crank block times to be 390 milliseconds,
and you get this kind of crazy, crazy throughput, you get a lot of state bloat,
that all the information you have to store becomes very, very difficult to maintain,
unless you make some changes. So say DB, you can read more about it and say,
blog, I think we're going to put out a dedicated article soon. But this is basically a good bit
of work that maintains and make sure that you can operate this high performance chain
pretty, pretty well, without running into the state bloat problem that you see with other
high performance chains. So that's, that's quite important to mention. And with us, yeah, so then
all of this, like I mentioned is like, very much, I was going to ask the idea of you mentioned
Tendermint consensus mechanism. You're retaining the twin turbo consensus. So can you just is there
much is it just it's simply just like a modified version? Or what is that?
Yeah, exactly. So Tendermint was the consensus mechanism used by most cosmos cosmos chains.
In right now, when say, we're running a modified version of that, which is we call
affectionately twin turbo to make it more exciting. The idea right as head of marketing,
it was my my priority to make sure that you think of Vin Diesel and giant cars and engines and stuff.
But yeah, so that was making a couple of changes. The first one is basically it just decreased the
amount of time it takes to reach consensus. So standard off the shelf, Tendermint is about
six seconds block times. And by making a couple of tweaks about how blocks are built
by the validators, you get down to, you know, we actually got down to 250 milliseconds.
But that was too fast. There was a couple problems because it was too quick.
So we re added about 100 milliseconds or so back in on top. So yeah, we're seeing about 390,
you know, something like that just over 400 on busy days. Right now, we'll say one. Yeah.
And I mean, I don't know if you're a sort of competitors or peers type of person as in do
you see other chains as competitors? Or do you see them as peers or you see them as all
working together? Or how do you see it? Yeah, I think it's sort of zero sum game, right? Yeah.
You know, yeah, because you did mention, you know, making it compatible with Solana
as well. You know, is that something that's, that's part of this as well?
So I mean, yeah, so Solana, we, we thought about SVM, you know, do we want to make
bring the SVM everybody on say, we don't think that the the benefit is there right now,
because Solana already runs pretty damn well. So it's like, what's the what's the step change
we can sort of implement is to take everybody on Ethereum and give them like this smile like a
performance. But that's actually, I mean, do you do you do you see major players, major sort of
layer one blockchains coming to the fore, particularly in this next year or so, do you
think? I mean, yeah, I mean, just to touch on your point about like, you know, zero sum games,
and like, sure, sure, please. So I think that's, yeah, super important, because, like, this industry
is still, I still feel it's extremely early. And that's evident through user experience being
pretty horrendous across the whole thing. It's evidence through the number of people who can
can use it and do use it still still relatively small developments still pretty early. So it does
feel that I do think that there's obviously because we're working in crypto, I think there's
tons of upside to the entire industry. So the pie is for sure going to grow. So I welcome other
projects like say is open source, anybody can fork this. Like if anybody wants to come and fork
save, I would actually really like that to happen. And like, that would be really cool. So
okay, cool. And just to explain how alchemy pay how we could be part of it is also any the
developers who are wanting to fork it or anyone who's wanting to work with say, and build on say,
then, you know, absolutely, you can use if you, well, you will require some sort of payment,
channel payment network on your platforms, either on your app, which would be obviously the ideal
thing in these days, this day and age. So people can make payments via your app and your platform
and, you know, return to your space to use it for payments. You know, you can work with us on that.
And I think that's quite an exciting aspect to the developments that I've seen in terms of
payments right now, you know, visa earlier this year was working on particular payments for
a particular proposal at the moment. So in terms of making and using blockchain for payments
and settlement. So we'll see how that that goes. But yeah, it's been quite exciting for us. Also
working with you and seeing you guys, you know, as you guys expand, it's it's an exciting thing,
I think. We thought I was gonna say there on alchemy pay, I mean, we thought this is a pretty
big user experience improvement enhancement. You know, the current route for somebody to get on chain
requires them to go via like a centralized exchange and sort of go through this whole process
with them instead, which you can kind of just cut that whole piece out and go straight
straight to what you want to do, which is to get assets onto a blockchain. So I mean,
directly through an app, for example, that's that's just a step improvement in UX overall
and far less confusing, I think. So yeah, we thought that was pretty exciting.
Yeah, okay. And so, in terms of
what's coming up in terms of the roadmap, for say, I mean, actually, I should have ought to say,
by the way, we're only on the 23rd of January. So do go and check out our medium page and go check
out our end of year progress update. So you'll see stuff like that. So in terms of alchemy pay,
this is I ought to give it a plug. So yeah, so we're working with Visa and MasterCard in terms of
providing a white label, crypto card. So this is a crypto funded MasterCard, Visa card, virtual
physical that can be branded or white labeled, and then topped up with USDT, and certain other
cryptocurrencies as well. We've also obtained money transmitter license in Arkansas, it money
services license in Iowa, Hong Kong financial service licenses as well this year. So go check
out our I mean, there's a lot of exciting stuff going on for us. So go check out our end of year
review on medium and alchemy pay. So yeah, anything else in your roadmap? You wanted to
share by the way? Yeah. So yes, the safety to has been code complete for quite a while.
It's been live on DevNet. We've done a bunch of performance benchmark testing using a distributed
set of nodes. So that's all pretty promising. The next step is for a public testnet.
That is scheduled very, very soon. Giga soon, I think is the correct term.
Mainnet will be subject to governance and audits, but that is scheduled for the first half of this
year under promise over deliver. So I think that's kind of what's coming up pretty quickly.
What I would also say is there's a ton of really interesting grassroots sort of development
happening on say right now as well, from NFTs to meme coin guys to people building up tools like
I think we've got some telegram bots and things like that being built out and all kinds of very
interesting things are happening. And people are kind of congregating around say so that's awesome.
And okay, NFTs have gone quiet recently. But I think they've been building. Well,
they've actually been building quietly, I think over the last few months.
For sure. Yeah, we've seen a little, I think the term is Cambrian explosion, I think gets used a
lot, but there's been a lot of really interesting sort of NFT projects launching on say so
definitely check out like the ecosystem, which is live right now on say one check out the Cambrian
explosion. Right. Exactly. Exactly. Shout outs. I'll do shout outs to, you know,
Astraport is the decks are a lot of activities happening pallets, NFT marketplace, Webump,
colony, Saiyans, Dobe, Saiyans, there's a bunch of little groups and things going on,
which is really awesome to see. So we're already happy about that at say lab seeing people coming
and using using the chain. So yeah, closing closing thought there is, you know, pretty soon
you'll be able to use MetaMask to interact with say and see some familiar apps turning up
from Ethereum land. So keep your eyes peeled. Fantastic. Yeah, fantastic. And it is a fantastic
chain fantastic team. Yeah, and fantastic performance with V2. So yeah, well done.
Do we want to take any questions from the audience today?
Sure. Yeah, that's okay. I mean, if there are people that you specifically know,
and if anyone wants to request, I believe there is, I don't know if this is part of the contest,
but I believe the idea was to take a couple of questions. So anyone wants to request
and actually your co-host as well Grover, would you like to? Sure. Let's bring up Kelly
cash. See, see what they've got to say.
Oh, Kelly, have you gone shy on us?
Maybe move on. This this happens very often.
It does. It can sometimes be an awkward section to the general chat.
Let's see if there's any questions in the comments as well.
The usual defy money tricks, please.
If you wanted to take any questions from Twitter or anything like that, you're, you're welcome to
like, as in from the post, but I think, yeah, live.
Yeah, it looks like, okay, it looks like we might. Okay, well, this person here,
who neifer wants to come up. So I'll bring them up and see, see what's going on. Sure.
And if you're on, you know, if you're on mute, you have to unmute.
Okay. Well, you can't say we don't give people a chance to come and say hi.
That's what it's all about.
Well, one more one more attempt shall we go for?
Let's try. Let's try pretty. And then we can wrap up. Let's see.
I think such a nice session. I'm from India. And as you very well know, we are a country of, in fact,
most populated country in the world. Right. And a good thing is a lot of people from India
are getting into crypto nowadays. I'm sure you must be knowing about it.
And I've been closely following and watching you guys, LKME pay as well as say.
So what I want to ask is, uh, apart from the technical technical, uh, mumbo jumbo,
no, there are a lot of people who want to get into crypto, especially from India.
So what I, what I request you guys, you people are doing good, but the thing is people who are
visible, I mean, in the marketing part, especially in the social, social media department,
you guys are lacking. This is what I feel, especially on Twitter.
So what I want is what I request you guys is be more active and let there be sessions where you
could let the common man and the people who are not very, you know, they want to invest in crypto.
They want to buy coins also, but they don't know much about crypto as such. So hold a session
like that where people get attracted. You understand that is what I'm trying to say
and be more active on Twitter. You guys are doing well, but you need to step up a bit more.
This is my request and advice also.
Understood. Uh, I'd recommend, so, um, uh, heard, definitely heard. I think the, the
conversation that you'd like to have, if you join the say discord, um, I think the guys are
going to spin up some community town halls, uh, and there's going to be more conversations there
just for everybody in the community to come and ask a question. So definitely recommend joining
the say discord. That's a good point. But I can pay to a discord and a telegram
groups is where you can find more direct ways to get involved and, you know,
things like get hub as well. You can find ways to get involved.
Yeah. Thank you. Sure. Thanks so much.
No problem. Beautiful. Um, okay. This may be the second one more from on block crypto.
I think he's, uh, wants to come up and ask a question and then, uh, we'll see if it works though.
Hello, sir. Can you hear us?
Well, I think the feedback to Elon Musk and Twitter is, uh, Twitter spaces needs a little
bit more tinkering, a little bit more work, but, um, yeah, cool. I think,
uh, well, we need a cool screener basically.
I'm sure AI will have it sorted for us quite soon. Um, okay. So, uh, any, any other future plans or
updates that, um, you'd like to share Grover now, or have we covered most of it? And also, um,
if people are interested and want to get involved, which is, um, what we were saying, you know,
where can they go? I mean, yeah, I think the discords are probably the, the, the easiest way
to sort of get involved, uh, and meet developers. Exactly. That exactly. That, um, definitely
hop in, say discord, see what's going on in there. Uh, you can join the ambassador program,
um, which might be worth your time and you can go and meet other Saiyans, uh, and, uh,
formula communities in there. Um, and it's definitely worthwhile. There's going to be a
ton more events, a ton more interesting things going on in there over the coming weeks. So,
so definitely come and check it out. Um, community is, uh, it's, it's pretty important to the next
steps for us. So, uh, definitely worth checking that out and also just follow the save page and
keep your eyes peeled. Uh, because I think quite a lot is going to happen very quickly for us
over the next few weeks. So, uh, keep, keep your eyes peeled. Yeah. Fantastic. Really
congratulations on version two, um, launch. And we wish you the best of luck. Um, it's a pleasure.
I know the teams, um, are getting on pretty well and, um, it's great working with you guys.
Um, and yeah, we wish you the best. Um, anyone who wants to follow alchemy pay go to,
follow us on Twitter. I think it's the easiest thing. We've also got a link tree alchemy pay.
Um, yeah, absolutely. Um, you can check us out on, uh, discord, join the groups there, telegram also,
um, and actually also, uh, our website itself, you know, and actually you can use, uh, on an
off-ramp, um, and you can find out more about the actual payment solutions we have. Um, so about
the crypto card, about, uh, off-ramping, going from crypto back to fear, um, having money
remitted, uh, to your account or sent to your account rather. Um, so yeah, um, do go check out,
uh, alchemypay.org. Uh, and yeah, Grover, it's been a pleasure chatting with you today. So
thanks for joining us, um, or us joining you. I can't, I'm not quite sure, but, uh,
yeah, it was nice to, uh, chat with you today. Good, uh, good conversation. And yeah,
speak again soon. Thanks for everybody for, uh, for joining. Cheers. Thank you. Bye-bye.