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Partner Spotlight - DogeOS: Building the App Layer Dogecoin Deserves
Recorded: Aug. 7, 2025 Duration: 1:10:09Space Recording
Short Summary
DogeOS is revolutionizing the Dogecoin ecosystem by introducing smart contracts and DeFi features, aiming to unlock yield opportunities for users. With a growing number of teams building on the platform, DogeOS is positioned to enhance user experience and drive adoption in the crypto space.
Full Transcription
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hey how you doing gm gm gm gm gm oops what that
oh sorry my bad my bad my bad um yeah Alex I heard I have to ask you some questions
something like that about whatever you want man I I thought we were just listening to music
it was a vibe I uh I dropped a post on Twitter during that saying that Elon should buy the uh
n64 GoldenEye pause music and license that for uh for that music it would go super hard
i'd be into it yeah yeah so um well i received something here like oh ask alex some questions
hi how are you doing well man doing well how are you doing i'm doing all good yeah how about you
How are you doing?
I'm doing all right.
How are you?
Nice.
Yeah, I'm just chilling at home today.
Outside, it's just unbearable.
There's a heat wave over here.
And yeah, man, I think it's just 30-something degrees Celsius out there,
but it feels like 50.
Where are you calling from?
From Southern Europe.
Yeah, that's a heat wave there.
That's like a nice day in the summer
where I am in Texas.
It's probably closer to like 38
most of the time.
Oh, okay.
Okay, I mean, that's
quite warm, isn't it?
Pretty warm.
Yep, Central Texas gets hot in the summer. Yeah, I mean that's quite warm isn't it pretty warm yep Central Texas gets hot in the summer yeah I mean if I don't know if I would you know I would
I would be able to stay over there in summer at least I mean inside of course
you know but outside oh yeah oh yeah 100 100 oh dear okay so um yeah i have some
questions here for alex and alex has some answers for me for us for everyone um yeah so let's um let's maybe get started and i'll just do a very short intro
ah there we go so hi everyone and welcome back to another episode of the anchor partner spotlight
thank you all so much for joining today and um yeah today we are sitting down with a builder and an innovator um who is well shaping
the future of web3 um today's guest is also someone i've been looking forward to chatting with
when introducing alex from doge os and if you've seen the name floating around and thought wait
you've seen the name floating around and thought wait is this actually related to doge um you're
not alone but trust me um there's a lot underlying and today we have the right person you know to walk
us through um we are going to unpack what dojo is really is well actually alex is going to do that
really is well actually alex is going to do that um what is trying to solve why it might just be
one of the most um unexpectedly quote unquote serious projects in the space and yeah alex
welcome to the show great to have you here yeah thanks thrilled to be here man thank you and um
yeah let's uh kick things off with maybe your own journey.
So you've been building across several ecosystems and I wondered what drew you to Dogecoin?
What made Dojo as the right fit for you at this stage?
Yeah, so, you know, just a little background first.
So I'm a boomer in the crypto world. Been around for a while. I've been starting companies for 12 or 13 years now, across a number of different verticals. I've had a couple of exits. Been playing around in crypto since about 2011. I had some Bitcoin that unfortunately I didn't hold on to.
I'm like one of those people who has probably not, you know, 10,000, but I have like 20 Bitcoin
on a hard drive in a landfill somewhere, which sucks.
Tried real hard.
But I've been working in Web3 full time for about five years now.
working in Web3 full-time for about five years now.
Started over on Solana and then was on Aptus and Movement and now DogeOS.
And I've mainly been building in DeFi, but I've gotten exposure to a lot of things over the years.
So, you know, what brought me to DogeOS?
So first off, I wasn't looking for something new.
I was running a money market, a really advanced money market that I started,
and I met the DogeOS guys. I met our head of partnerships, James, our CEO, Jordan,
because they were interested in bringing my DeFi app over to DogeOS. And we just clicked immediately. And at first I didn't get it. I was like,
app chain and L2 on Doge, why does the world need that? And I was actually really hard
to sell on this. And it took a couple days for it to click for me and then once it did like what we're doing makes all the sense of the world so you know dojo s or dogecoin sorry it has the strongest distribution in all of crypto
right it's it's friendly to to normies um people like you know my parents know about dogecoin
basically you know everybody in the world has ever heard of crypto has heard of bitcoin and dogecoin. Basically, you know, everybody in the world has ever heard of crypto has heard of
Bitcoin and Dogecoin. And, you know, it's always one of the top 10 tokens by market cap. I think
right now it's sitting around 30 billion or something. I haven't looked at it today. But
what's interesting is it's all like idle capital. There's not really much that you can do with it.
There's no yield on it.
And partially this is because Doge hasn't been upgraded
in the same way that Bitcoin has over the years,
which you've seen this proliferation of Bitcoin L2s
and apps on Bitcoin and whatnot,
which we should come back to in a minute.
But Doge hasn't had the opportunity to do that stuff.
And so we're bringing accessibility, programmability to Doge.
We're bringing smart contracts to Doge
so that people can build a whole ecosystem around it.
And I joined the team to really bring,
first to bring serious like DeFi over to dojo s um because that's that's
really my sweet spot um but yeah to just build like a thriving ecosystem around it we're bringing
all sorts of interesting apps i really think it'll be the best ecosystem in all of web3
yeah and uh super interesting especially you know your background in web3 um i had no idea you started
so early in in crypto um yesterday actually i was checking with a friend because he had a
kraken account from the 2010 i think or 2011 and yeah just for fun he was checking like the
transaction history and you would see some crazy numbers.
Like, I don't know, 20 BTC, you know, 25 BTC.
1,000 BTC, man.
I was holding thousands of BTC.
Oh, damn.
My life would be a little different, I think.
Oh, yeah, definitely.
I had a Mt. Cox account too.
I tried to get that recovered, but they asked for too much information
um so you know you live and you learn pain yeah i mean definitely definitely um i think you know
talking to people i think it happens to a lot of us like um back in the day you know we were just
not so aware of uh well how how this could actually
turn out and also we weren't so careful you know we weren't so aware with the security
side of things you know and uh yeah i mean i've been recycling passwords well previously
not now but i was recycling passwords everywhere you know and and wouldn't really mind uh because i was like oh
who's gonna hack me or why am i gonna lose you know my whatever and yeah things happen
but well to all the listeners use the password manager it's a hundred percent and it's free i
mean you you get free options now uh yeah so make sure you you you get one um and i had a
follow-up question for you alex do you think it's fair for well fair um what do you think about the
meme needs infrastructure kind of narrative um you know people see it from this angle do you think it's it's fair or do you like it or
that memes need infrastructure is that what you're asking um no more like you know they've been i i
see people you know commenting and and so on and they focus so much on the mean side of things um
do you think it's something that you like to see or
or is it something that maybe you probably you know wanna um i don't want to say distance but
maybe you know other things should be should be on the focus on the spotlight as well it's a really
good question so you know doge is the original meme right it? It's the original meme coin.
It's going to outlive all of us, everybody listening to this.
Doge will live on forever.
Will ETH live on forever?
Will Solana live on forever?
I don't know.
Probably.
Who knows?
But Doge for sure will.
And, you know, I have mixed feelings about the proliferation of meme coins.
Perceived value, I've always found, is a really interesting thing.
And I think that new memes that pop up, the problem is there's just so much scamming that happens out there.
Doge is not a scam, right? Doge is something that has shown its value.
It's been around.
It'll stay around.
And one of the things we're trying to do on DogeOS is we're bringing in a few protocols
that are going to kind of change the paradigm for how tokens are launched and how value
is assessed of those tokens.
And I think we have the opportunity to sort of like change the narrative and, and turn
this into something that's not the series of pump and dumps constantly.
Um, and so, yeah, I'm, I'm pro meme as long as the teams behind it are, you know, not
just looking to extract max value and get out of it.
A hundred percent.
Um, thank you for that. And, you know, sorry for introducing just a random get out of it 100 um thank you for that and you know sorry for introducing just a
random question out of nowhere um yeah and i just thought like oh this is interesting um and yeah
from your perspective what do you think is missing in crypto right now that dojo has is well aiming to solve or has already solved
yeah so um a lot of things so i'd say that you know there's there's tons of new chains
that that get um created probably on almost a daily basis at this point you know most of them
don't succeed but people are constantly iterating on this and that was part of why i was skeptical at first i was like the world doesn't need another
chain um but you know what i realized is that there are certain assets there are certain
communities that have just been underserved and doge is one of them so doge os isn't trying to build like you
know a chain that has 5 000 more transactions per second or like new dev tooling that hasn't
exists yet existed yet what we're doing is we're like bringing an actual economy and use cases to
one of the biggest communities in crypto um and to one of the biggest communities in crypto and to one of the biggest tokens in
crypto. And it's just like completely underserved. So we're talking about the ability to save and to
get yield. We're talking about the ability to lend, to trade and to play games, have all sorts
of like interesting consumer experiences. That's really what we're focused on. We're focused on being a consumer-focused chain and bringing new users into Web3. You know, everybody's talking about,
I feel like this narrative has actually kind of died, but for the longest time, it was like,
everybody was talking about, how do we bring the next billion users into Web3?
Oh, yeah.
And you were like, I think it was last year, two years ago. So that's what every conversation was about.
And that's a very lofty goal.
My personal opinion is that will happen,
but in ways that users aren't even aware of that they're using Web3.
But the important part is that Doge has tens of millions of holders.
And I would say that a lot of those are some of the easiest users to bring into Web3 because Doge holders are somewhat crypto native.
They're just not Web3 native, right?
They're comfortable with crypto and they love Doge.
And so they, a lot of them, you know, know what a of how all this like bad user experience that we're used to in crypto, like the way that wallets work, for example, is terrible.
You know, they work the way they do for a reason, but I feel like overall, the industry has an issue where we are iterating on the wrong things.
Right. And the transactions per second thing
is a perfect example, right?
We're already able to do more transactions per second
on a lot of chains than like Visa and MasterCard do anyway.
So like, why do you need more than that?
But what really should be iterated on
is like the experience that people have
because that's the blocker for bringing new people in. that's that's really what we're doing right yeah i mean definitely you know feels
like we're overdue for re-sync in terms of ux um i think you're 100 right yeah one last thing i'll
add there too is that i think the other thing that DogeOS solves for builders is that we have a massive amount of distribution.
We probably have more than an order of magnitude, more than any other existing chain in terms of how much visibility we get on the stuff that we post.
Across our core team, we get something like 2 to 2, two to 2.5 billion impressions a month on Twitter.
Oh, wow.
And I've been a builder for years, right?
You can build the best product in the world.
If nobody sees it, it doesn't matter, right?
And so we're not out there giving like massive grants
like some chains are giving, you know,
we're not doing that stuff.
But what we are giving to builders is
distribution which is i think the most important thing right yeah i mean sounds great and we will
definitely get into that later on um i actually have a question written down for you um but yeah
it's uh definitely no accessibility um i think we also need a need to rework on that um it feels like
we went from one extreme in web 2 right to the to the other extreme in web 3 right um alex when it
comes to um you know you mentioned wallets wallets work the way they work because of some reasons um
of some reasons um and i think that uh it's too extreme isn't it yeah i agree right um yeah great
and so on that note you know we um you touched on it a little bit during the intro but
why would you build like an entire application layer around dogecoin um maybe we can deep dive a little bit on this one and
well also how do you think about doge like is it cultural glue do you see it like um continuing
you know evolving into something more and more and more functional yeah absolutely i mean i think
yeah absolutely i mean i think everything that we're doing can can only increase that um you
know our team just put out the first major upgrade proposal on doge in in a really long time um so
we're working on um we're working on first of all upgrading just dogecoin core
um hey can you bring up the dogeos account actually i think it's sitting there as a
as a listener but if you bring it oh yeah there we go yep um but yeah, basically, you know, bringing smart contracts to Doge, it allows for all of the amazing things that people have already built in Web3 to get added.
And I think more importantly, us to like iterate in new ways.
So, you know, we're bringing I'm really proud of our ecosystem already.
I'm really proud of our ecosystem already.
We're bringing a lot of experiences that people know and love.
A lot of really, really amazing paradigm shifting new experiences.
And then fun stuff like games.
It doesn't all need to be serious.
And one of our core focuses is shifting the flow of value in
everything that we're doing back to the community back to users.
So like, for example, one of the really cool projects that we
have building on Dojo West called plays out. And they have
access to all of WeChat's, all 10 cents games that are on their
ecosystem.
So it's, you know, hundreds of thousands of games and those games really aren't outside
of, you know, WeChat, mainly outside of China.
So they're basically reskinning these games to make them doge games and there'll be ads
and everything on these games.
But what will happen is users will will earn from from playing
these games they'll earn doge they'll earn plays out stuff they'll actually be earning value from
those ads and so if somebody's already playing you know little click games on their phone
all they're doing is making money for a game developer if we can actually shift that so that
the users are making some of the money there that's cool and if we can make it a fun game that's
great it's all about like you know shifting how the flow of value goes so that we can
kind of break the foundations of how things have worked in the past give users more value
nice and yeah you mentioned tencent wow that's that's huge um just for for everyone in the audience who might not know Tencent, Tencent is a company, well, company, it's a Chinese, in social media video games digital services and more
owns wechat which is a tool that's used um i think by pretty much every chinese in the world
and um also elon musk mentioned you know wechat quite many times and that they wanted to build something
similar uh once they have x i don't know if you know they're heading in that direction still but
yeah just something to um to keep in mind um from uh from what uh alex shared amazing amazing alex
alex shared amazing amazing alex and yeah now zooming in on how doge os actually works because
um yeah there's clearly you know strong opinion on how things should be built and whatnot but
what makes dojo as technically and experientially different from other l2s or app chains out there?
Yeah, so I'd say first and foremost, the team, before pivoting to DogeOS,
we built MyDoge, which is the biggest Doge wallet out there.
And that's part of why the team has such massive distribution
is because they became the biggest Doge KOLs in the process.
But MyDoge is an app that is the main Doge app.
You search Doge on any sort of app store or anything, it's the first thing that comes up.
It's got almost 600,000 active users.
And so, you know, the chain and the ecosystem is really built around my Doge.
Of course, you'll be able to access it with, you know, any EVM compatible wallet.
But we're going like ecosystem experience first there.
We already have a lot of captive users in there.
Why not create an experience that's more like Netflix or a Xbox Live PlayStation Network,
you know, where we're actually showing users each day
when they log in, hey, here's something you should try.
As opposed to like, you know, an ecosystem app,
that's just like, here's a list of the 200 apps
that are in the ecosystem.
We're actually trying to present them
and provide cool experiences to users.
So like at a core level, I think that's really important.
From a technical perspective, it's it's the KDVM. And and everything's really built to be used,
right? There's no use, there's no need to like dig through docs to try products or anything.
It's, you know, any developer can just build on it with solidity.'s it's easy to use um it's using already proven tech um but the idea
here is again break the foundations of everything everybody's used to in web3 and just make stuff
that's easy for users to use and so we we want developers in our ecosystem who are doing that as
well nice and yeah that experience first quotequote you know mindset really stands out to be honest
um I think a lot of projects talk about it you know they they want to do something like this but
yeah um probably quite a few actually start from that point so I mean props to you and your team um and regarding apps how do they actually work on dogeos and
what's the experience like for both developers and the actual end users
yeah i mean it's a it's an evm chain um it just settles on doge so it anybody who's used to building apps on any evm chain using solidity
you can you can build up apps on doge os you can port your apps over to doge os fork them
um you know and and same for for users um it's if you're used to using evm great just connect
your wallet to doge os if you're not used to using3, get into my Doge wallet and we'll show you
everything and how everything works.
Interesting.
Yeah.
I mean, it's helpful to visualize, you know, and yeah, you're definitely
obstructing away like a lot of the complexity, which yeah.
Also I think it's another long overdue in Web3.
Yeah, I agree.
And, um, you also have described those choices in at first
instead of an infrastructure first right so what's the philosophy like man or I
mean what's the you know reason why why go that route what does that unlock in
your opinion that other chains might be missing?
Yeah, you know, I kind of touched on this earlier,
but all of these chains that pop up that have some new,
interesting in for a piece or whatever it might be,
like users don't care about that.
Developers care about that.
And what do developers need?
Developers need users, right?
And so we're focused on experience.
We're focused on the users.
And we think that's the best way to serve the developers is by actually bringing them users as opposed to like some new, you know, interesting tech thing. So, you know, everything that we're doing is,
it's built to serve products, not to serve devs,
if that makes sense.
Yeah, I think it does.
It makes sense.
And it feels like you're almost like flipping,
kind of slipping the stack upside down,
but in a good way, of course.
And yeah, thanks for expanding this um and yeah now we are moving
into something i really like which is um the human side of things so let's shift to that and
yeah you know who's building how you're helping them succeed etc because you are the head of ecosystem for dojo is right what does that actually mean
day to day right how are you supporting early builders and dojo ads right now
yeah so day to day it means i'm on like eight hours of calls a day just talking to
talking to new potential builders talking to to people already
building in our ecosystem um you know what what i view my job as is obviously i need to get a bunch
of apps building in our ecosystem and i also need to get extremely high quality apps building in our
ecosystem um because you know what what really matters for chains I think is is having like a handful of
absolutely top tier experiences but then you also just need like a massive builders building so
that's that's the first part of my job the second part of my job is like I'm focused on making sure
the builders on DogeOS make money and when I I say make money, I don't mean through some token that they launched that's down only.
I mean, revenue generating businesses, right?
I think this really plays into my background is I've started a bunch of businesses,
some have been successful, some haven't.
And one thing that I feel like is a mistake in Web3 that I feel like we're starting to move away from,
but has been a mistake, is everybody's just focused on launching a token.
Right?
The focus should be on creating a sustainable business through revenue.
So going back, my role, in my view, is to make sure that I am cultivating and helping sustainable businesses on DogeOS. if if they want to launch a token great go for it we'll support you in doing that as well but it's all about you know
revenue first sustainable businesses first mm-hmm yeah love that um hands-on you know ecosystem building is definitely not easy uh but i would say
that's where real traction happens um please correct me if i'm wrong yeah it's been surprisingly
easy with those of us i mean like i said we're not giving out like a bunch of grants big grants
like you know i hear that i know a bunch of people who've gotten you know 500 000 to a million
dollar grants from arbitrage or Avalanche or whatever.
And it's like, we're not doing that.
We're a small chain.
I assume we're going to be a large chain.
But we're just getting started.
And so we don't have money to blow like that.
We're using our money in very effective ways.
But what we can do is really support the projects. We have a team that really cares, very thoughtful. My long term goal, I'm sort of doing this in a micro way right now, is I want to have a, like a services entity within DogeOS on the ecosystem team where we have a marketing person
that's just devoted to helping projects,
a legal person that's helping projects,
a financial person that's helping projects,
a PR person,
because I really think that's the best way
that we can support teams.
And what I've found in Web3
since I started building is
there's a lot of people in this space who are really good builders.
You know, they're good developers, they're good product people, and they build awesome apps.
But again, they have trouble with distribution because it's not what they understand.
Or maybe they have trouble actually running a business because it's not what they understand.
And so I think as a chain, we can help projects with that, right?
And luckily that's something I have a lot of experience in
because it's what I've been doing
for basically my entire career.
Yeah, definitely.
And regarding your position now as a head of ecosystem, right?
Was it a gradual evolution?
Like, you know, how does one become a head of ecosystem
and in web3 right or was there like a moment you realized like oh i'm ready to lead something you
know that's that's this big yeah um you know it's funny i so i i think personally, I'm very well suited to this role. But I was actually, it kind of just fell into my lap.
I was reflecting maybe a week or two before I met the DogeOS team about how, you know, the next thing I do in Web3, I think, would be really good if I was on the ecosystem side of things.
Because I've spent so much time on the builder side.
You know, in some ways, I'm still on the builder side.
I still have protocols that I'm part of.
And I've seen what ecosystems do well and what they do poorly.
And, you know, just, I guess, kismet.
I had a conversation with the DogeOS team or had a few conversations about
bringing my money market over. And then they, you know, they asked me if I wanted to join as
to lead DeFi over there. Because DeFi is really, you know, my, my area of expertise in Web3.
And after about a week of being on the team, they were like, hey, you should really lead
ecosystem. You're, you know, you're really good at this.
And so, you know, I'm, I'm good at talking to people. I love helping people.
I've seen pretty much every angle of the web three space at this point.
I've, you know, dealt with everything from sexes to chains,
to lots of different marketing companies, PR. I've run a lot of businesses.
It's just like like it's a
really natural fit for me oh amazing yeah thanks for sharing with us alex um i have another question
you mentioned you were a builder before and well you still somehow are involved in you know building
um what's like the most important lesson from your time as a let's say quote
unquote full-time builder that you've carried over into your new role who can
I can I give a few oh yeah of course no course lesson so first I'd say focus on products that people are asking for, even if they're not asking for it directly.
I see a lot of people in the world in general, but especially in Web3, who start building something because they think it's really cool.
And it might be really cool. And it might be really cool. But the thing is, if if people aren't asking for something like
that, if people aren't needing it, then it's never going to be a successful business. Right. And so
I would be super user centric from the very beginning. I think, you know, as somebody who's
building something new, having a bunch of product interviews before you get too deep into it is
really useful.
You know, go and find who the prospective users would be and actually talk to them about what their plan points are.
Talk about what you're going to build and see if they think it's useful.
That's extremely important because there's all these things that get built that people spend, you know, years and millions of dollars.
And it's like nobody uses them because even though it's a good idea, it doesn't mean there's actually like users for it.
Another thing I'd say is, you know, you don't really see that many like solo teams. It's usually there's a bunch of people. One thing I've learned over my career is it's really, really, really
important to pick your partners wisely. And it could be that, you know, your, your best friends
end up being terrible business partners, right? It's, it's really difficult starting a company.
it's really difficult starting a company.
It's being a founder is like,
I think it's the most amazing thing in the world, right?
I've been doing it for most of my career,
but it's also incredibly stressful.
And, you know, working with people who you know
are going to be, first of all easy to uh manage conflict with because there are
going to be times when you disagree on really important things that's super important and also
you know people who are going to stick around right i've watched this even in our ecosystem
already where like projects have broken up and some people have left and you know it's like we
haven't even launched like these projects doesn't even have anything to do with us right but i think picking your partners is super important
um and then the last thing i'll say is just distribution right once again i think this is
what we bring but i think it's something that's often overlooked um you know you can go build
something on eth mainnet and it can be the best product in the world.
And it can even be, it can even be something that like people really need and people really want.
But if nobody ever gets eyes on it, then it's, it's really difficult to actually make that successful.
And so I think that's the most important thing.
And unfortunately, Web3, probably more than any other industry I've worked in it's like really plagued with
a bunch of service providers who are like leeches um it's really hard to find great um advisors
um and you know vendors to help with marketing pr like all this sort of stuff. And so, you know, another thing is any teams who are interested in building
or even just curious about Dojo S, please hit me up.
But also if you're building somewhere else and, you know,
maybe I can just give you some advice.
I'm always happy to talk to anybody.
I've been doing this for a long time now.
Well, that says a lot about you, Alex.
And, you know, thank you on their behalf.
Yeah. well that says a lot about you alex and you know thank you on their behalf um yeah um
i am you mentioned right um some teams that uh what they were building and suddenly they just um you know the the team fell and they they no longer did uh they no longer launched the project and i
was just wondering like uh who's showing up to build on
dojo as so far like what kind of you know um demographics right are these folks like
from the dogecoin community or do you see like interest from the outside world do you see like
um he's being concentrated in in one part of the globe or is it like global
been concentrated in in one part of the globe or is it like global uh very global um you know like
like i said with one of the things that's been interesting to me is like i was a very tough sell
on this and then i found this extremely easy to to pitch to people um we have i don't know
80 or 100 teams already building on DogeOS.
Yeah, it's a lot.
The ecosystem is really well built already.
Some of these teams, a lot of them are still building in stealth,
and so there will be more and more that reveal themselves in the coming months.
But from a DeFi perspective, we have pretty much everything a DeFi ecosystem would need.
We have a bunch of different decks being built.
There's a couple that I think are really, really cool.
There's the first Meteora fork.
For anybody who doesn't know Meteora, it's the best decks on Solana.
The first Meteora fork on EVM is being built on DojoWass.
We have another Clo clob style decks
that I think will be really cool.
I'm biased, but we have the best.
We all are.
Yeah, we all are biased.
This is my past project.
My past project is going to go.
Of course, we all are.
Don't worry about that.
But it's,
it is truly the best money market in all of web three.
It's, you know, by like, in my opinion, by a football field,
it's just never gotten a bunch of users because the places it's been on. So, you know, best in class leverage and, and, and borrowing we we have you know perp stexes we have other lending
markets being built we have probably the coolest thing um is a new type of launch pad that is
essentially unruggable, unsnipable.
It's a completely different way of launching a token.
It's not using the sort of pump fund style bonding curve mechanism.
And that's going to be on DojoS first. And I think it can be a whole paradigm shift as to how tokens get launched.
And it's much, much better users it's it's a little bit
less lucrative for people launching tokens but they're launched in a sustainable way which is
great um yeah i mean we've got games being built out um we've basically got everything you can
imagine um one thing that i'm still really looking for anybody listening is I'm looking for more AI stuff in DogeOS. So
anybody has suggestions around AI apps that we should be looking at or anybody building something.
We have a few cool AI things being built. But I think, you know, that's the future so more is better right now we have a decentralized AI that's like
absolutely cracked team they're bringing that to dojo s and it's basically gonna be like a creator
suite so you know like when I try to go make stuff with chat GPT or Claude or whatever I'm using
it never ends up that high quality oh yeah
written stuff is fine but like if i try to make content it's not that great but then you see the
other people who can just make absolutely amazing i agree videos and photos and whatever and so
one of these projects is it's a creator suite so it's basically like making all of those that sort
of tooling that really great ai creators are are using
making it really accessible and easy to use partially because uh the doge community is very
much a creative community um they really value that uh and then one other one i'll give a shout
out to that i think they're just coming out of stealth right now. It's a group called Reply. It's actually a friend of mine who runs this.
They are sort of a AI replacement for private wealth management.
So it uses algorithms built by their team as like X OpenAI, X hedge fund quant traders. They're using their own models that they created,
not using ChatGPT or whatever.
And it basically allows you to build
and have an agent manage a portfolio for you.
And I think that sort of stuff is really cool
because if you have $100 to invest
or $1,000 to invest or whatever,
you're not going to get a private wealth manager.
It's too expensive.
It doesn't make sense.
But agents can be the future of that and so once again it's sort of like switching the value flow and democratizing finance for people is what we're
all about yeah it sounds really exciting and it's you know kind of speaks of how accessible and
universal the platform is going to be um i also wonder what kinds of apps are launching first?
Like in the sense of, is there like a pattern
in the type of ideas that are really resonating the most?
Or is it like you have a bit of everything?
You do have a bit of everything.
I'd say our strongest points are DeFi and gaming.
And that's probably based on bias on the team. So I'm a DeFi guy at my core. I was able to
somehow magically pull in all of the best DeFi builders I know. I got them all to start building
on DogeOS. So it made me super happy. My favorite people in the industry are now all building on DogeOS.
And then one of our other team members is,
he spent a lot of his career in gaming.
And so he's been able to pull over a lot of really cool gaming experiences as well.
But yeah, there's everything.
Everything you can expect on any sort of mature chain,
we should have very early at day one.
There's also a handful
of blue chip apps that are coming over which i'm not going to mention just yet um but you know some
of the biggest apps in defy across the entire space are going to add doge os as a chain very
early if not day zero no leaks today right no leaks no legs today okay no problem
but yeah it definitely sounds like a nice mix of i would say fun and utility at the same time which
is honestly i think fits the spirit of doge perfectly so yeah i mean it sounds sounds great
and make sure you guys keep an eye on uh to the audience sorry make sure you keep an eye on on
dojo as and you know what they're launching um and yeah before we touch on collaborations you
know and and so on and future plans and for dojo has had one more question um alex which is and
you know i'm really curious about um this one what's a misconception that people might have about
you know being a a head of something in web3
what's a misconception people have about that or i mean you can say more than one of course
but yeah i'm just curious to hear, you know, like something about it.
Yeah, you know, I don't know if this has to do with being ahead of something in Web3 or maybe just like ahead of something in general.
But I guess in my experience, you know, people assume that like everything is figured out all the time and you know i i think
that running a company is really just about trying to get ahead of things as much as you can and then
being really good at uh speed to to pivot and to solve problems and whatnot in general. And, you know, this stuff is hard, right?
There isn't like a correct answer for everything.
And so once again, you know, I talked about like picking the right partners.
I think surrounding yourself with people who you can trust to make decisions and not overanalyze
and just move on things quickly and and then being able to
pivot super quickly if you realize that you're running in the wrong direction um i think that's
you know we're all just doing our best right yeah i mean no that makes a lot of sense and
you know you keep having like when something doesn't go the way it it's supposed to go or the
way it's extracted you know people are uh blame it very quickly on you know on management they'd
be like oh why did you or why didn't you you know and yeah many times i think it's kind of unfair
right uh we are old people and and i mean i'm not a i'm not a c-level right but um yeah everyone is trying to
do the best they can right and sometimes things go better than other times um but yeah absolutely
completely fair um can't say i haven't been there and done that but yeah um thanks for that alex
um and now i had one question for you uh but it's actually coming kind of coming from
our community uh because we often get this question which is how is anchor supporting
xyz partner right so could you shed some light on what we are doing um for dodge os how we are assisting and whether it's daytime for us rpcs you know
yeah for right now i mean first of all for anybody listening um anchor is an incredible partner
um they've been an incredible partner from the beginning um and are just generally really really
helpful um really easy to work with.
This isn't just me showing Anchor
because I'm on an Anchor space.
It's truly how I feel.
But yeah, I mean, right now,
really fast infra you guys are building for us,
reliable RPCs, which I can tell personally
has been an issue with me in the past,
other places I've been,
and just like a low friction experience for builders.
We're really focused on picking partners who are good at shipping, who ship quickly, who solve problems quickly, who are easy to work with.
And Anchor is very much at the top of that list.
All right. Awesome. Thank you so much for your nice words
alex um you mentioned how important partners are and you know have been in your journey or being
able to pick the right partners right and yeah i'm glad that uh well anchor made the cut and we are
playing a part in enabling this right and yeah definitely i think supporting uh ecosystems from the ground
up is something that anchor is really proud of and yeah thank you again for your kind words um alex
and now back to dojo s looking ahead what does success look like for doceOS in the next six months, 12 months?
Are there specific milestones or outcomes that you're targeting?
Well, we got to get on mainnet.
We got to get our public test set up, get on mainnet.
But our KPIs are really all about bringing users on board and bringing new users on board and doing that in a sustainable way. that is in like a post incentives world, you know, like everything is incentivized across
all of Web3 with the exception of like ETH Mainnet and Solana.
Um, and so everything that, that we're building out is built with that intention.
And I honestly think that this is one of the issues in the space at large where, you know, there's a lot of, uh, there's a lot of chain teams that kind of just like milk giving out their token or whatever for incentives.
And they just do that for as long as they can.
And they exit with as much money as possible.
And then their chain just kind of dies and like, they're okay with that.
And that is, you know, very directly not what we're trying to build here right everything
that we're building is built around sustainability and and long-term use um and so yeah i mean that's
that's that's really our goal is to get as many users on here, get as many users who have not used
Web3 before on here. And, you know, like, as probably a lot of our listeners know here,
there's insane opportunities in DeFi to where, like, on one of my protocols right now, you
can probably get like 50% APR on stables. That's absurd, right? But most of the world doesn't know that. Most of the world
doesn't know how to do that. And so we're trying to, 50% is a little absurd, right? Again,
that's incentives driven. But the point is you can get much better opportunities on Web3 than
three than you can get in just like the traditional finance world that most people are used to.
you can get in just like the traditional finance world that most people are used to.
And so we're just trying to surface those opportunities to users in a very easily digestible
way and bring new people on board, right?
Yeah, very solid.
Finance.
That's what I originally got into this space for.
I thought it was really cool that there you know, there's these like ultra high net worth individuals and institutions and whatnot who have access to all of these cool financial
opportunities that like we as normal people don't have access to. And the ability to like
democratize that, that was super, super interesting to me. And one of the things that's made me a
little bit jaded in Web3 in general, and again again one of the reasons i joined this team um is that i've realized that most chains most products are really just building to like make
a small group of people richer than they already are um and that's like absolutely not what we're
focused on here we're focused on democratizing it bringing these opportunities to real normal people.
Wow, man. Very cool. That's, you know, couldn't agree more. And I'm sure that a lot of normal people, right,
will be also watching closely as those first wins start to land,
which are also going to benefit them, right?
And amazing, amazing, man.
You mentioned Testnet.
How has Testnet been doing?
Well, so we're still in a private Testnet period.
Anybody who wants to build on Testnet,
just reach out.
We'll get you sorted.
It's open for builders right now.
It's just not open for the public. But it's you know it's open for builders right now it's just not open for the public
but it's going really well i mean like i said my my telegram chat it's just like
absolutely swamped every day with all the builders who are building but every day i'm
you know seeing builders saying okay yeah we're you know we just deployed a bunch of new contracts
you know it seems like um all of the feedback i've gotten from builders so far is like everything
is just working uh which is great amazing um so yeah i'd say testing experience has been very
positive i'm i'm really looking forward to more of our apps coming out of stealth being more public
every week or so we're going to be releasing information on new apps um and yeah getting
this into the hands of the public
as soon as possible.
I remember the first time I spoke to Alex.
He was like, oops.
Hey, do you guys hear me?
I hear you.
Oh, okay, cool.
Sorry, I think my Twitter or X app just bugged.
And I don't see my sound waves, but I see yours.
And yeah, I don't see my songwaves but i see yours and yeah i don't know um yeah so
i was i was saying the first time i spoke to alex he was like um if i don't reply just please keep
pinging me um and i'm sorry you know in advance and i was like oh yeah don't worry you know i
completely understand um i'm sure you receive i don't know um a thousand DMS you know per day or I mean per day maybe that's
um even short you know um but yeah nice nice to know that you're receiving super positive feedback
um out of curiosity do you plan to like have a public test that kind of thing or are you going
directly for my net um all of the details will be revealed soon oh okay drop that much alpha okay okay my bad
really cool stuff coming though i can tell you that my bad my bad um great and yeah that kind of
you know leads me to uh to the next question which is for for all of us that are listening
which is for all of us that are listening,
how can we get involved?
Like devs, holders, just people who are couriers.
Yeah, for sure.
So, you know, everybody go and follow DogeOS on Twitter.
You can join the Discord as well,
which you can find in the Twitter,
on the website, dogeos.com.
There's stuff happening in the Discord.
We're actually about to start launching a bunch of different events with like cool opportunities to earn in the discord
um any builders feel free to dm me um my my telegram is the same as my my twitter uh just
without the man at the end it's just a h 0 x-0-X-X. Hit me on Twitter, hit me there.
Or if you want to, just go ahead and join the Builders Chat on Telegram.
It's just build on DogeOS.
Very, very easy and straightforward.
So if you just type that into Telegram, you'll find the Builders Chat,
and I'm there as well.
Perfect. Yeah, those of are who have just turned in
um i will leave some links over here if they allow me and you can find some dojo as tweets uh
pinned in the session so uh yeah if you tap there you can dive in and explore doge os twitter profile directly um by the way you have
here a gm and doge os intern selfie attached so uh there you go and yeah um alex this has been an
awesome conversation and you know thank you for taking the time to um walk us through um
to walk us through and before we wrap up we always like to give our guests the last word
whether it's a message you know can be to builders or thought about the future of wet three or
even something a bit more maybe mean worth it but I mean the mic is yours I know you
you like a philosophy you know it be a quote, whatever in your mind.
I'd just close it out with, for anybody who doesn't know,
DOGE stands for do only good every day.
And so we're all trying to live by that mindset every day.
I'd recommend everybody else do the same.
Just try to add positivity and value into the world with
whatever you're doing um come do that with us if you want to come do it come do it on another chain
whatever you want to do um just get out there and do only good every day amazing yeah perfect way to
to end it and thanks again for joining us alex thanks for you know sharing your personal experience
sharing more um about how things look like from a head of ecosystem you know pov um and also thanks
to everyone for tuning into this episode of the anchor partner spotlight um i think we'll probably
invite alex to join a second episode maybe in six months or 12 months' time,
once they have more things.
Yeah, once you have more things launched
and you can finally share about them.
And then we would also probably talk more
about your personal story as well.
A lot so far, all I heard about it.
And yeah, if you know what you heard as well
make sure to give us a follow give dojo as a follow share check out you know um all that we
are doing and we will see you next time awesome thanks guys thanks for having me thanks thank you
so much alex it was a pleasure thank you so much, Alex. It was a pleasure. Thank you so much. And thanks, everyone, for joining today.
Goodbye.
