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Partner Spotlight: MatchAI, Web3 Leadership & Making of a Modern CEO
Recorded: July 31, 2025 Duration: 1:35:00Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic discussion, Patrick Barbosa, CEO of Matching, unveiled the launch of Match AI, a groundbreaking intelligence layer aimed at enhancing decentralized identity and engagement. The conversation also spotlighted the strategic partnership with PSG, emphasizing the potential for innovative fan experiences and the importance of community involvement in driving growth within the crypto ecosystem.
Full Transcription
Music Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Hi everyone, how's things?
Can you guys hear me?
Hello, hello.
Hello, Mr. Patrick.
Hello, Sergio. How's it going today everything going well it's a bit warm
over here we are suffering a heat wave but yeah how are you doing sir i'm not suffering a heat
wave but yeah it's definitely a hot here the part of europe that I am right now is so it's yeah it's a good season
we cannot complain about summer right well yeah true that's true the nice very nice season indeed
yes I think the markets is getting warmer as well not just well that's true that's true that's true
that's true that's true and um well hi hi everyone we have uh again a heavyweight here today not just
kidding me uh last time i introduced you as a heavyweight uh patrick and uh it unlocked the that discussion regarding our personal uh weight not good not a good one no no no no you make sense
and i can tell you that since last time i lost a few pounds so yeah i would have been a different
category than the last ama now on the ufc i see i see i Um, just as a kind of a sneak peek guys, here is something I
would like to share with you all. Um, Oh, I'm not sure if it's, um, if it's going through.
All right, there we go. Oh yes, sir. What is is that just wanted to show you all um this is patrick's
some years ago but this is patrick's okay i understand that's why he's not yes
I understand what you're doing.
Yes.
You're trying to show my lightweight moment.
I got it.
Oh, I'm trying to show your...
I mean, I think that's a, you know, huge moment for you personally, I think.
And I just want to explain to everyone, you know,
why you have so much focus on that regard regard um yeah guys that's uh petrics
that's petrics just for you all to know and we will talk about that
let's talk about that whenever we want thank you thank you first for highlighting this
yes we will we will talk about that uh later on today um you will get to know patrick's
um very interesting conversation i think we are we're going to have uh many insights we are going
to learn from patrick's and um yeah i think uh patrick is definitely atypical in the industry
and i don't you know it doesn't have a any negative uh connotation it's all positive
and yeah so let's get into it and hello everyone and welcome back to another episode of uh the
partner spotlight I'm your host as always Sergio and today's conversation is going to be something
really special as I was anticipating um we are not only diving into the intersection of AI identity
and leadership in Web3.
We are joined by someone who's not only building the frontier,
but also brings a unique personal journey to the table.
And I'm talking about Petricks Barbosa,
which, well, you probably
all know at this point, he's the CEO of Matching. And if you've been following the space, you've
probably heard of the Match AI, which is their new intelligence layer designed to supercharge
decentralized identity and engagement. Please correct me, Patrick, if I'm wrong.
And it's already powering some real-world fan experiences.
And the last thing I read is that the early stages of Match AI
are already integrated into the Match ID system
and are expected to debunk publicly through upcoming PSG campaigns.
Speaking of PSG, by the way,
congratulations on them for winning the UEFA Champions League,
which was a huge moment.
And that was a beautiful game.
Incredible to see a Web3 project like Mark Chain,
you know, working hand in hand with a club of that scale,
which is a huge, huge scale.
For those of you who are don't follow football
or soccer depending on where you're listening from um psg has become an absolute you know
champion and kings of europe and yeah top notch right now um they're unbeatable well i don't know
if that i've just made up that word um but yeah they've been just winning
everything and yeah um good to see a prayer like matching working with them uh to bring
digital identity and loyalty to the next level which is something we're going to also discuss
today um and yeah from building tech that matters to leading with vision patrick has definitely has a lot of to share
so yeah let's uh jump in hello petrics before we get into the details petrics for people who have
been living under a rock could you introduce yourself and give us a quick refresher of what
machine is about totally sergio you always killing. Thank you so much for the warm introduction.
You'll definitely
always do your research
and you know
pretty much about everything about
the people that you work or intervene with.
So thank you very much.
It's very nice to come to a space like that
when you see that
people know exactly
about the company that you talk about, not
just making random questions.
You even pulled out some tweet of more than 10 years ago, actually precisely 13 years
ago.
Yes.
And then you try to make a nice lightweight joke here.
I'm a heavyweight now, but that time I was a lightweight.
And yes, thank you for highlighting that.
I was an Olympic athlete gymnast
for 20 years-ish,
10 times national champion,
three times Pan-American champion,
World Cup champion.
Like, it was crazy times of my life
when I was always capable
to follow the best education as
possible because of this opportunity because of the sports and scholarships
that I was having around so while heavy discipline high performance sports were
shaping my personality character discipline I was always very fortunate
to have a good education.
And at some point, we can talk more about it. My journey crossed
with crypto with blockchain. And funny enough, my journey came
or crossed to the path with crypto, blockchain, Bitcoin,
because of the sports because of gymnastics, and not because of
a medal, definitely not because of a medal, definitely
not because of a trophy.
There was in a moment that when I was in some kind of transition of my career, changing
countries, moving, moved to Miami.
And then I need to find more opportunities to monetize all my savings and the sponsors that I had by that time
while leaving the US coming from the South America. So what I did is I had to do a research
and then on that research in the end of 2016 I found Bitcoin, crypto, Ripple, Verge, whatever was
the OG projects, Neo, XEM by that time and et cetera.
And then I started to research, to learn more, to investigate.
Trading was always a great thing for me.
Investments, network, the people that I always knew
across the variety of industries was always amazing.
So I decided to focus on, let's say,
two or three years by the time.
And actually always since today,
we never stopped learning,
but to dedicate for my education, right?
To make my Harvard investment school,
but on the field, learning, making money,
losing money and losing, losing, losing money again.
And then find out other
ways to support and invest on founders.
So I spent, how to say seven to eight years investing in startups, projects solely focused
in Web3 and blockchain developing the industry from games to social to all kinds of
sectors in the space that you can imagine we didn't have rwa we didn't have the ping
we barely have defied before and etc so fast forward as an angel as and as a vc founder i
invested in over 250 projects approximately.
And at some point that I started to exit.
Luckily, I never forecasted that, but I exited in the peak of the last bull run.
And then I knew that we needed something different.
And that's something different because pretty much analyzing all my previous investments, which I was confident I was making good decisions because of most of the founders, I realized that I was not
doing any bad assessment, but the industry was not ready for certain kinds of projects.
The industry, the timing was not ready.
There was not even users enough and we're not using actually blockchain
for some things that is the basic thing that why blockchain should be used.
That's when I said, okay, for all those projects to work,
they are kind of on the stage four or five already.
We need this ground zero.
We need stage one, two, three, right?
And I believe that this is stage one,
ground zero is users, users and data
and intelligent data without trusting any third part,
which is the whole premises of blockchain.
And that's when I got inspired,
I got collected with my team,
with the best people that I knew in the industry, friends, smarter people than I got inspired. I got collected with my team, with the best people that I knew in the
industry, friends, smarter people than I, definitely, to join me and to bring the Mad Chain to life.
Well, thank you so much, Patrick, for sharing all that with us. And I love how, you know, humble you
are. You don't have any issues, you know, sharing like, oh, I've been working with people who's a lot smarter than me.
I think many people are stuck there, right?
And they think, oh, I'm the smartest guy and everyone else has to be below me.
And one thing that many times I think leaders have is intuition.
And that's something that, um well I think we will probably
discuss that as well right do you you know if you are somehow like um just born with that or if that
can be trained um yeah so it's going to be really interesting um to get to know what uh Patrick
thinks you know on that regard and yeah so thank you again patrick for that um i think
let's start with the elephant in the room right which is match ai it's uh one of the most exciting
things to come out of the matching ecosystem lately i believe and yeah so why don't we start
with what is muchAI in simple terms?
What makes it such a significant part of the matching roadmap?
And how does it elevate the experience of identity engagement, insights, all in Web3?
100%. Thank you. Thank you for the question again.
And thank you for the comments.
Definitely.
If I was the smartest guy in the team,
even if you sometimes like you have to act like, right,
you have to behave like,
you would have already the billion dollar company
founded by one single person.
And I don't believe this is possible yet.
So it's always a collective effort.
We all together, we need to become one.
You're never one alone by yourself.
So that's one more thing.
I, oh, sorry, Patrick, before you get started, one more thing I forgot to say
is that also the last time we spoke, Patrick, you mentioned that part of your
life as a professional athlete, but it was so quick. They that part of your life as a professional athlete
but it was so quick you said oh i was a professional athlete yeah i competed uh stuff like that um and
i was like okay he was an athlete that was it but when i did a research i was like okay you know he's
not just an athlete and yeah he didn't just he didn't brag about it um i don't know if i competed at that level patrick's
um i think anybody i meet would know
first thing i would say you know yeah kind of worked because you brought you brought me here
again so you know if i had to let everything out for the first time uh i would maybe would not be back
here oh i think you have so much to share patrick's so much we need we have to learn and yeah so
again um just wanted to say that uh you know patrick's i think never made a huge thing um you
know from from that part of his life But today we are going to learn more.
Yeah.
So sorry, Patrick, please.
For sure.
For sure.
So I think you mentioned about Match AI.
It's our latest.
Yes.
Match AI is our latest release, right?
I'm going to just to give the community and the listeners over here,
community from Match AI, from Anchor, more perspective.
We're going to do some educational content for the next three months or so or forever, actually, about Match.ai,
because it's really difficult to explain just in a single announcement or a PR announcement or tweet post or telegram post about what it means.
And we need to have like phases of education and people will only see when they start to feel it,
to prove it, right? But what I can tell you about Match AI, Match AI is the brain. Matchai is the intelligence that will start to understand everything what we do in the internet, into Web 2, into Web 3, that you decided to bind on Match.id.
So basically, right now, Match.id works as a sign-on method, the same way that you can use Match.id to log in applications, same way that you can use match ID to login applications same way as you use Gmail
sometimes there's some applications websites platforms companies that you you just uh
login with Gmail you don't have to do it in registration that's the same thing with match ID
but also on match ID right now you can bind many things from your life you can bind all wallets not just matching wallets
you can bind evm wallets bitcoin wallets solana wallets but also you can bind other things that
are not related to web3 but you can bind your telegram account your twitter account
many other web2 platforms why because we already sharing and binding those informations to those companies, we already
consented to them. So what I'm doing over here, I'm making
sure that you are just putting together you aggregating all your
informations in one place. So imagine you have Sergio 30 different football shirts, PSG, Manchester, Real Madrid, Barcelona,
and you keep each shirt in a different location of your house.
Wow.
That looks ugly, right?
Like, I mean, you do whatever you want.
That's actually like this. Imagine if you put all your t-shirts organized in one place, in one wardrobe, right?
You can maybe have pictures about it.
You can show off about all the shirts that you have because now they are organized and you can see that 30 t-shirts are in one place.
they are organized and you can see that 30 t-shirts are in one place and those shirts are
kind of your social medias or your logins or your platforms that you are combining and putting
together that's all what we do match ai comes they're going to analyze what all those shirts
means what all those social media means because you give different access to certain social medias when you allow them or when you use them.
We use the same access that you already consented to them.
You just organized, put together on your profile,
on your Pandora dashboard of Match ID.
And Match AI is the intelligence.
They're going to tell you what's going on there.
So if Match AI would read your 30 football t-shirts,
would say, okay, you have seven t-shirts of PSG.
I can certainly see and understand that you are a PSG fan, right?
I can certainly understand and see that you like European football in general
because you have more t-shirts from Europe than you have from teams in South America.
Oh no, you actually have more shirts from federations, from countries than clubs.
So you love football in general.
So my point is the intelligence, the information that you can get from those things combined
together, it's insane.
It's amazing. It's like us getting to know each other better. You go to the tarot girl sometimes to know your future or to understand yourself better. This is not about the future, but it's about to really understand who you are in the internet. What is your digital footprint? And the main point of this is not Patrick's is not anyone on my
team telling who you are is AI analyzing what you do, comparing
with the rest and creating a pattern, creating curating
standard. So the more things you have more accurate will be the
more people that join more fair, the reading of the it will be the more people that join more fair the reading of the AI will be as well
because data is only valuable if it's combined in large numbers right if I have only the data about
the food tasting my family that doesn't mean that the whole world likes to the same food taste. You need to have every single family food taste and then you make the
average. So basically, trying to explain a simple words. That's
it. Match AI is the intelligence that will be
reading understanding and showing you your commercial
value on everything that you put together on match ID. And
match AI is not just what you see now.
Match AI will keep being improved, will keep being joined by other partners
and other, I mean, improvements in general that we can never
and should never stop to get better.
Super interesting. super interesting um it sounds like you're unlocking like a new layer of uh customization
and intelligence on chain which is yeah something i think we have as of today only begun to explore
in the industry so it's something pretty much quite innovative um and it sounds like patrick
please of course correct me if i'm wrong it sounds like the's please, of course, correct me if I'm wrong.
It sounds like the challenge or kind of gap that you want to solve or that you want to cover with this, um, with this product, the match AI is that sparse,
you know, information, um, out there, you know, that is disconnected, right.
With, uh, with who you are pretty much right and then um yeah trying
to put everything in one place under uh one key or maybe i'm not using the right terminology when
i say key right but uh under the same let's say platform key app uh X. Well, not X in this case, right? Call it something.
And, um, is that the case or, uh, do I have a, maybe a wrong understanding?
No, no, it's right.
And I can tell that it's even a little bit more cliche than that.
I don't like to use much because people use this very often without much relevance
but i'll say that what you're trying to do is give ownership there's no more cliche word in crypto
right now on blockchain than the word ownership but it's real it's everywhere yeah it's it's a fact
people like literally definitely misuse these many times to try to create relevance for themselves.
But what you're working here to do is to give you ownership back about your data, about who you are.
So like the whole world right now runs on the internet.
Forget to just blockchain web3.
Everything is interconnected or not.
That's one of the main points.
Many things are not connected.
They are very much siloed somehow, but they can be connected because of blockchain.
But if they are connected, who's monetizing or winning or leveraging this?
Right now it's only four, five, six companies.
I would say like the big, big scale, the oligarchs, these should be ours
because everything that are used for free, as you all know, we are the product.
If it's free.
So someone is monetizing this.
If you go to the S and P 500, the top five companies or the top 10 companies,
they're all about data.
They just use different excuses.
They use like different applications to understand our behavior.
Like you go to Alphabet and then Alphabet has YouTube, Gmail, Maps,
different data points from our brain using Google search,
from YouTube, from our likes, from Maps about our movements and the location.
So this is all about data behavior and companies that want to find us for selling
advertisements or whatever it is, they pay millions and millions and billions to
them when they should pay every single fraction to us.
action to us. That's what I want to do. I want to, if you ask me like, tell me, uh,
That's what I want to do.
in three words, what is the main goal of matching? I would say data, welfare,
redistribution. That's it. And you can only focus on this data, welfare,
distribution, if achieve identity sovereignty, which we need to give one single identity, which connects everything else.
And after this, that you're connected with all your platforms across the internet in one place,
this place has a single address that can interconnect with everything else.
Understand what I mean?
Imagine if the applications from Alphabet would compare with the data from the
applications of meta or and the data of meta would compare with the data of amazon because what you
do serge on amazon is not what you do on meta so you have different behaviors and they sell yourself
still understand yep yep yep so the main goal of my chain change within the time to become or to have uh let's say
one tenth of amazon data plus two one third of uh apple data plus half of alphabet data
combined in one place you understand what i? They are so powerful being isolated.
Imagine if you can combine a little bit of each
in one profile or everything of each.
We can create the biggest decentralized data company
in the world.
Yeah, indeed.
Sorry about that.
It's, yeah, it sounds like it's not just innovation
for the sake of it, right?
And then something that you clearly identified.
We actually, for those who are listening,
we have a first episode also with Patrick.
And I think he's now the CSO of Matching, which is Thomas.
And yeah, over there we discuss this and discuss a lot more also and deep dive
into what my chain is what matching does and well what my chain is trying to solve today of course
this is an update um but yeah just uh wanted to remind you all that you have a first episode
there that you can listen to and thanks thanks again, Petrix, for the introduction
and for a deep dive into what you wanted to do
with MatchAIM, MatchAIM again,
which brings me to something that I've been hearing
more and more in this space as well,
which is the buzz regarding ai
meeting blockchain it seems to be challenging to build something that's uh you know meaningful and
um yeah i uh wonder what made you confident right this was the right direction
i mean i i believe and i'm definitely not alone on that journey, as you just pointed, that AI and blockchain, I think, is the perfect couple.
It's the best marriage ever in this new century, because we are looking and talking about not trusting the third man anymore.
and talking about not trusting the third man anymore,
to have something that it's not in between us
and it can still have the same results without checking.
So blockchain, that's the beauty of blockchain.
It's not just Bitcoin and et cetera.
It's the godfather, but the best thing of Bitcoin
is the blockchain technology, right?
That developed Bitcoin.
So when you combine with artificial intelligence you're not having
brains or people that are biased uh to be uh judging or valuing or telling what you do or who
you are you are literally have some intelligence that is reading the word,
the patterns, the behaviors, and the data that is being fed over there
and comparing and sharing, right?
So basically, when you combine those two skills in different angles,
I think it's an extremely powerful source.
And that can impact everything else which i can tell later or further down some
months in the line our next steps the the next angle that we're going to be approaching with
my chain as well which is not just ai and blockchain but because of ai and blockchain
gonna unlock us a whole new world so So I believe this is extremely valuable.
This is inevitable.
And I don't believe also the matching will have the best AI in the world or whatever.
This is actually not even our goal.
Our main goal is to be the provider of data for AI companies,
AI companies, whoever are the best or quantum sci-fi AI builders,
to come request data from every single user from the database, from the platform.
So users get paid to share the data so they can have AI models trained.
So that's also the reason I've bought our name.
Our name is Match because we are the lead. We are just a Spark called a match to provide infrastructure for AI, for people and for
everything else.
Interesting.
And can you share like what you envision, right?
How much AI is going to be used, maybe around with an example, right?
PSG, fan loyalty, or well, some other partner that, you know, maybe you want to highlight and how it brings, you know, practical value to the users and the brands.
Yes, for sure. So like I said, Match.ai is the intelligence, right? And the intelligence must come from applications, must come from solutions that we are co-creating with XYZ partner. In order to have a big amount of knowledge on behaviors, you need users. Those users need to have things to do. So let's say, let's give the PSG example, okay? On PSG we have like only on the JIS, our
joint innovation studio, pre-selected but not announced yet, approximately 10 projects that are
going to work with us, different solutions. Those projects, they cover different angles from fan
engagement to oracles to, to many other things.
Those things will be what?
There will be solutions that will attract fans to come to create a match ID.
So PSG can have a better understanding and database about their fans.
So I will create different funnels like Alphabet.
Alphabet have different funnels, like I mentioned already, YouTube maps and etc.
I will create different funnels. I don't have to reinvent the wheel because I have projects,
fantastic projects in the ecosystem that can do this for us. I have the IP, I have the partnership,
I have the stage. We can use, we can test with millions of users and fans and if your solution works,
of users and fans and if your solution works um we're gonna launch our project on my chain
that said those fans that were on boarders successfully to the applications that worked well
they're gonna have uh a behavior develop from the funnel that came but also after this they already
have a match id and with the match, they understand the value of that.
Uh, with education, they can connect more things about themselves.
Because like I said, you are a football fan, Sergio, and I know very well, but you're here as well.
Working in Web3, working anchor, you have your personal, your side life or your professional life.
You travel, you eat like every single other football fan,
like every single other PSG fan.
So the whole point is we're going to create many, many funnels
to be onboarded by the PSG funnel, by the PSG source,
with Match.id in the back, and starts to give match AI the opportunity to show on the enterprise
dashboard for PSG what their fans like what they are doing like they can suddenly let's give me a
practical example if you have the right amount of users and fans if you have the right amount
of applications that on boarded them already PSG can suddenly say, okay, all my fans, they like milk.
So you go to a milk company and offer sponsorship with real data, real conversion.
Or you can go to your current sponsor and say, hey, you are underpaying me because my
fans, they use a lot of your service.
They like a lot or you should be converting more.
So you understand what I mean?
Use the data and the strategy that are literally out there today,
but only in control of a few companies back to the company.
You give ownership of the clients, of the customers, of the fans to the company.
And the company has ownership over their own data, but their own data is fractionalized
on every single user.
So that's what I want to match AI to do, to understand and tell companies how they can
improve customer relationships, fans relationships.
And suddenly PSG, because of those funnels, we will understand that they have a fan in Brazil that is way more loyal than 50% of the fans in, I don't know, in the south of France.
Just as an example, I'm not saying Paris.
So why I will not recognize the fans in Brazil?
Why I will not give this guy generational tickets?
Why I will not invite him because this guy is like completely obsessed
about us and making us what we are today and and so on and so on even the same case is like the
player id player d that will launch with psg it's about understanding the players across the world
not just professional level in fact i decided to to build these and I had the idea mostly because of the starters, the guys from the academy, the little ones.
Because you have many times, let's say a guy that plays in a club in the north of England, which has very difficult access or no way to get close to
London or to the big clubs.
Uh, but this club will share the statistics on his player ID profile.
Officially, because every single club has to have a club account as well, right?
A sports account, a sports ID.
So let's say this player scored 20 goals.
You can only say or post on your LinkedIn or make a tweet about it,
like you just found my tweet.
But there's nothing like fully authenticated
or official from those companies
that can be seen and verified on chain.
So imagine if those athletes from academy
that is growing careers,
they start to put all the stats verified by the clubs
for the career across the years.
You can just simply go to the database
and do the whole scouting program
and scouting someone from, for example,
South Africa, from New Zealand,
that you didn't have access normally.
You understand what I mean?
So this connection between blockchain, connective interoperability between the
IDs, but also the AI reading, understanding and being available to the
global and big companies.
It's mind blown for me.
I think, uh, this is the, it's kind of inevitable. If it's not
inevitable, it's the right thing to do.
It's the right way to go.
So that's pretty much
it. One thing I hope, sir, is
that you don't replace
Football Manager in the very short term.
I'm expecting Football Manager
26 to be released and I hope
they do at some point. That's
the only thing i beg you
okay no problem i will try to uh put the um football manager inside match id okay
oh well i mean that would work as well that would work that's perfect
that's the only thing i want to ask you for
yeah okay done done we're gonna work on it and um yeah so thank you so much again patrick's uh for that i want to shift gears a little bit now since you know we have introduced the match ai we have
introduced and refreshed right how the match match in and match id works um i want to talk a bit about you uh not just the ceo the the co-founder
you know um the uh well the story that you probably share the most right but the the person
behind it all and because i think your journey is not exactly the most typical in web3 right and
i think that everyone's gonna love that um you do have a
background in in business according to uh what i saw um you did a bachelor and then you did another
one uh right and then but then you mentioned today you went to harvard as well which is something i i didn't find um so i guess you you also have um no no no i'll let you
finish but i will correct you but let's go all right please please uh please do do so
no i i said that i i did uh my harvard investment oh okay okay. All the space. I would say learning and losing and making money.
I almost spent a Harvard education.
That's what I, what I tried to mean.
I did those some Harvard courses, of course.
We all never stopped with so much information on the internet.
But no, I haven't been in Harvard yet.
Yet.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
That's the part that I didn't quite get.
So I was like, okay i how did i miss that um
yeah okay thank you thank you for the clarification um but yeah so i see that you have a background in
business um which by the way and just for the record i also started business And that's why I was so interested in, you know, like making Patrick and his team accept that.
Well, we talk about it today.
And also as a professional athlete, as you introduced already, how do you think these two paths influence the way that you lead today?
the way that you lead today, right?
Right.
That you add back chain, you, you know, you do what you do as a CEO.
How does that influence in a leader like you?
And what made you choose to study economic and business, by the way, as well?
Those are all great questions.
Let me see, where do I start? I like challenges, of course, but it's not because I am crazy or psychopath, maybe a little bit, that I like to be give me or that I have something that is important to do.
I'm not afraid of, let's say, stage of responsibility or pressure.
And that's pretty much exactly the reasons why you mentioned.
I used to present myself in stages for 10, 20, 15,000 people.
And this is not like football
when you have like 11 players by your side.
90% of my time, I am on my own, sir.
Especially when I compete home
with passionate people representing my country,
which I represented already, Brazil and Portugal,
two flags, which I love very much,
my two nations that I'm citizen.
This is different. And you don't want to fuck it up, excuse my French
you don't want to disappoint
your family, you don't want to disappoint people
and you do sometimes, you do actually
many times and you need to
learn about it and you
have only 12 years though
and you have only 15 years, 16 years
and then suddenly you are 20, 25.
So forget, with all amount of information, now AI, everything what you have today out there, education is for everyone.
So I love the heavy diplomas that you see out there.
And I value and I want all of them working for me
but a life experience it's way more valuable your scars your journey how did you go to the
university it's more valuable for me than you finished or than the diploma right but the journey
that for you to start for
you to get there or for you to finish it is way more valuable than whatever knowledge that you
think that you acquired there because once you go to to the real world to work to the field to the
office trading see the chart going up and down or just down and not coming back.
That's when shit hits the fan and no university will hit you or will teach you.
So that, that played some crucial, crucial role in my life, my career, my sports. I was always dreaming to be Olympic champion.
I can humbly say that I had the talent and I had the skills and the level.
And we can say the level because when you put some skills that you do together, you combine the points, the worth of every single skills.
You can see if you are on the same level of the top one or top three.
And my skills in some events was definitely at the same level of difficulty
than the Olympic champions.
So I knew I had the talent.
I tried, I worked, but I never got my Olympic medal.
And that's fine, though, because when I think like, yes,
I never got an Olympic medal in sports, that was all time wasted.
I don't know sports.
That was all time wasted.
How no?
Because I live the same routine, the same discipline, the same level of commitment that I had before.
Plus fun, because I always had fun.
And I have fun today a lot, trust me, than I had before.
And that shaped me in different ways
or many, many ways that is difficult to say today.
I like to invest in people
because I am definitely a team player.
If you win or lose, we win together
and then we lose together.
I learned a few lessons in the spaces
due to my mentors, amazing coaches that I had, but also horrible coaches, horrible human beings that are around the world in general, not just the sports, that you need to be able to survive, that you need to be able to thrive and forget and isolate yourself. And remember, when the judge calls you and you need to show yourself to present,
you have to forget the horrible coach, the horrible problem, the fight with your girlfriend.
They don't care. Nobody cares. And here's the same thing, right? So I learned a lot that win
and lose together. I learned a lot to invest and understand on talents. But also, I learned a lot that no matter how big, how good is the talent, if the talent is not a good example, they can poison all the others.
So I had some kind of merciless as well at some point.
I understand.
I don't repeat mistakes twice.
I don't repeat mistakes twice.
So I think that's my main university because it's literally not about the diploma.
And even if you're doing, if you're listening to me right now, you're doing LSE, Oxford, Harvard, or whatever university finish, never stop it or try as much as you can.
But whatever happened in your journey, and then if by any means you cannot finish, that's not everything like
Elon Musk, hundreds of names, they all drop out, right?
Mark Zuckerberg, like it's about trying, executing, failing and trying
again and never giving up.
That's the mentality of matching.
And that's the culture that I try to implement daily.
Like, so my company is all about culture and trust me, I had people that didn't like it.
And then I said, go build your own company.
Like we have a culture here and I have the privilege right now to, to build what I believe.
So, uh, I can assure you that we are not the richest project.
We haven't raised the millions and millions and millions.
We are constantly finding ways to survive
and to do things that we do.
But most of the people that wanna work with us
or the ones that stay through thick and thin
is because of, they know about the level of resilience
and vision that we have.
And that's what I always love to see on.
Remember the beginning of the talk today, Sergio?
Sorry, I talk too much.
You can cut me anytime.
I invested in 250 projects and my main thing was investing on the founders.
I need to see their faces.
I need to talk to them.
I need to see what brought them here.
So if I value the most before the founding team, I need to be the founder
that the community will believe that the investors want to be around, right?
That the partners like PSG trust to work with because it's not always flowers, right?
It's not always rainbows, but they know that we are working hard to fix no matter
what no matter what challenge come to us so I didn't want to talk too much about my journey
about my titles I want to just show the correlation why this matters so much for us today here the
leadership of my mother seal like is it yeah yeah i mean to be honest i think
you don't um like you try to put aside you know all your titles or your achievements and and
that's something that uh yeah it says a lot about you i think um instead of just being like oh you know i want this i want that i did this i did
that um yeah and and i think you know sometimes maybe you're a bit too humble petrix uh because
because you don't you don't say that part you know and sometimes people might be like oh okay
you know um but yeah it's lovely i i love it i love your style definitely and regarding when you talking
you know sir it's a pleasure and honor for us to have you here today you know sat down with us um
you have a really busy agenda and you know um i think your your calendar is probably full of
you know items that you that you need to uh, things that you need to attend to, you know, and yeah, thank you for your time, actually.
And you actually made me remember one time I read about a journalist who had, I think, 20 minutes with Ronaldinho.
20 minutes or 15 minutes, something like that.
something like that but he had you know he wanted a longer interview but his team wouldn't approve
But he had, you know, he wanted a longer interview, but his team wouldn't approve that.
that and his idea in the end was to you know he got a football from somewhere and he gave it to
dino and dino would just sat down there playing with the ball like nobody had you know offered
him that and he was just like rejecting his team you know and saying hey you know i want to stay here a little bit more with this guy um so you know um it's it's great that uh you are available you know for us
and especially when we have so many things to learn and it's um thank you sergio but um it's uh
Thank you, Sergio. But it's not just great to share this, but it's great for me to talk about it sometimes as well.
Because sometimes we get so busy, so distracted. And again, whatever I'm saying, I'm 100% sure that reflects to everyone listening.
Sometimes we're just so busy on the flow of everyday work, stress, problems.
We forget what brought us here, who we are.
So when you made me these questions about matching, match AI, my career, my journey, I'm reflecting.
I'm self-reflecting.
And I'm talking and explaining without any effort because that's the fact.
That's the truth, right?
But then you do some self-reflection yes about what brought you here
and that is helpful that is very very helpful and so uh you said thank you but i like to thank you
even more and anchor for inviting and again not just to talk about crazy infrastructure technology
blah blah blah and crypto but about the people behind thank you thank you again patrick thank you so much
and one one very quick question and i want only one line from you which is what's the one and
most important lesson from your time as an athlete that you carried over into being a ceo
it's difficult
fucking difficult sorry
i can i don't know give me give me a few seconds sure uh the most important lesson there's so many discipline maybe yes but um don't i don't want to i would never sell the
image that i was the most disciplined i was always super disciplined to my goals to my mission
to what i want right to my vision which i was here but I was always the rebel. Oh, I see.
There was the one that liked to, not always,
but the one to like to lead things.
If you have a problem in the club,
I'm the one fighting for the problem.
If we need to escape a hotel, I help it, right?
So I'm always the one thinking out of the box
and my discipline was in a different way.
So my point, I think the main lesson was that you are not the moment. You are not what's happening to you today, right?
You just need to be true about your essence. You need to be truthful with your heart with your intention information
i figured that my mission on sport was not just to win one medal because that medal is so worth it's like it's it's shallow you put a put your medal on your neck and that's over
so it's literally about the journey so what what I can tell you is that the journey matters more than the end.
So while you're building a company, enjoy it.
While you are leaving something for family or the pregnancy of your girlfriend, of your wife, enjoy it.
The journey is way more important than the end.
The end is just the end.
So that's what I would say.
What I achieve in my career is not relevant but the journey that i leave there it's the most special part
and it's the same journey that i'm living now building my chain and i think this is going to be
the most valuable moment from i would take it with
all right yeah thank you for that Petrix and
I recently watched
a podcast from
was it
Iker Casillas who is a
legend
goldkeeper for
Spain right for a national team and in
Real Madrid as well
and he started
like he interviewed David Villa or Villa
depending on you know where you're listening from there is a yeah also
legendary striker and when they also skate from hotels you know they also
ordered like donuts and all kinds of stuff you know um hiding from um from uh the coaches and and whatnot
which was surprising for me to find out and yeah i guess all those who you know who have the talent
who who are um especially who have the spark right um you guys probably probably have something in common and you need to, you know, you need that to relax
probably, right? You need that to focus. You need that to, well, to do your thing, right? In the
pitch. And yeah, it was interesting to hear something similar from you, actually.
from you actually yeah and again it's uh you need to have you don't need to be responsible ever
or crazy you need to have some swag if you know what i mean because like how how you gonna learn
to get out of difficult situations if you never live difficult situations of never lived challenges or even on sports, right?
I was always so savvy, honestly, that even when I was in the middle of competition and
some skills was going wrong, I knew how to figure out.
I knew how to not shake him emotionally.
I knew how, you know what I mean?
So you don't want to be the soldier.
You don't want to be a hundred percent
you want to be a leader but that's like everyone right yeah yes and that's how leaders are shaped
leader are shaped not being you know uh in the leash i would say like this
patrick this is a very quick yes no question. Do you think leaders can be made?
Or do you have to be, to a certain degree, born with it?
Yes or no, you got me.
I would say no.
I don't think leaders can be made no
you have a little bit of right at least yeah you asked me yes or no so i can expand on that because it's not 100 no yeah of course of course we are generalizing a little bit right like i want to put you in that situation where you have
to choose you know what i mean yeah yeah no we have so many coaches out there life coaches and
etc everyone would be a leader today we would not have any you know so i don't i don't believe so i
believe that this is something that you need to have within you or you need to have a little right yeah but
it's about the journey the journey shapes you for sure but that doesn't mean that makes you a leader
because we can live in the same house brother we can grow up with the same parents and you can
become completely different understand what i mean indeed yeah yeah yeah and even you know even being from the same dad and
same mom you know even the even the twins you know they have different personalities different whatnot
yeah so yeah that's why i don't believe can be made you need to have it it's with you or
you always had it you just never uh you know exactly and then you need to find the
triggers that will bring this out that's the difference but it was always there okay yeah
thanks for that i was just curious you know um and you also talked to about your journey into
web3 which is something that it seems that you somehow planned right um
so i had this question in the list um but yeah i think we can probably remove that question um
what was your very first quote unquote real job patrick's, when I was seven years old, when I started this journey, this career,
because that's a way more than full-time job, because I had like a full-time job
for 22 years when I had to represent a club, an institution, a country, a flag,
companies, sponsors.
And today, I'm not sure about you, but most of the people,
especially in our industry works home office or as an expat anywhere.
I had to fucking be in the gym from nine, eight AM to 2 PM.
And then from 3 PM to 7 PM, like daily, and then go to physiotherapy after.
So like, uh, it's like eight hours, seven hours minimum a day, every
day from Monday to Saturday, sometimes on Sunday as well to work.
So that was my, my, my first full-time job when I have like a different compromises,
not just to go and flip around, but I need to talk to the company to go speak.
I need to represent, I need to do many things uh but yes the i would say that is when i was seven years old wow damn
yeah um how do you think it shaped your understanding of how business should be or
how leadership should be you know being especially so early on in that discipline
well
i i you can always you can always run by examples right from about people around you
in both ways good good and bad.
So I think you can shape your leadership of the way that you want to be comparing.
We are always, everything in life is comparison.
This is not a guru course here, okay?
I'm just saying about what I believe.
You can only realize how much happy you really are when you were really fucking sad someday.
You can only value the sunlight if you were in jail watching, you know what I mean? So freedom is relative.
Happiness is relative.
Everything is by comparison.
So you can only get inspired as well by comparison.
If you have great people around you, leaders are shitty ones that will look at you.
You will look at them and say, I never want to be like this.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
So you have a good and bad examples and both works to shape you.
And I would say almost on the same way, same level.
So I had everything, right?
Uh, I always said, even if you look from my previous interviews, um, in sport, when
they ask me, who is your lead, your idol on the sport and et cetera, I always say that is my brother, uh, which is very, I keep very
private and very, very, uh, let's say internal, but, uh, the person that
inspired me the most and the leadership family, uh, self-made, we came from
nothing.
We still had nothing.
We struggling and not struggling.
We hustling.
Sorry.
Excuse me, but we came from nothing and then we all are self-made, you know, and my brother
raised me and I think my mostly, my most, uh, inspirational leadership role model, I
would say that, that, that that it's him that it's him
oh interesting that's very interesting that was actually another question that i had if it's
if you came from money um no yeah yes i still not there though we are hustling and what is money
for real right so money is when everyone around me,
my family and friends are comfortable in life. And then that's when I'm wealth. We can never be
in a yacht alone. So let's work on that thing. That's true. Yeah, definitely. And I mean,
that path from kind of like, you know, your path into Web3 leadership, it's, yeah, I think something we definitely don't often hear.
So, yeah, again, thank you so much, Patrick, for sharing with us.
And another question that I had is, how does one become like a C-level in Web3, right?
Like, was it a gradual evolution?
Is there like a eureka moment you realized you were ready to, you know, lead something big?
Not sure if you're going to have the answer that you're expecting from me.
But I can say that I and sorry to disappoint some people
that will be listening now
but I'm never going to lie
your question was specific
on how to become a C-level
on YB3
I think the C-level
on YB3 it's very
very misused
everyone is almost
a C-level somehow.
Literally, and with all
respect, besides of the
big projects and companies, which is
extremely difficult, but
everyone
sees something
in this industry because Web3
is still very
amateur. I'm learning.
Nobody here is completely professional and et cetera.
But we live through things.
So it's not about to have the title, Sergio, or to like, hey, I was CBDO on this other project. I want to come here in your house and be C-level as well.
So fuck off.
Excuse my English again. No, you need to come here in your house and be C-level as well. So fuck off. Excuse my English again.
No, you need to earn it.
You need to make sure that it's all about meritocracy.
And tell me the reasons why you were C-level in the other project before.
So we'll talk about Web3.
We have a lot of spoiled people and talents or not talented at all people in the industry
that because they got whatever C-level in different project or company that had two employees.
Uh, and now they have, they tried seven times and there was seven times C-level.
They think they are entitled to be a real C-level.
So I think you need to sweat a lot.
I think I want to, I want to make sure that everyone that got to that level feel honored, right? That
you become a C-level and you're not forever here. You need to keep it. You need to earn it to get
there, but also you need to worth it to keep it. So it should be a struggle, should be super
difficult. I don't think today because of the amount of projects, of startups, is a difficult thing.
I don't get impressed when someone says, I'm going to see something in this company.
I say, nice.
I care about results.
That's all.
Wow.
Yeah.
That's all.
I wasn't expecting that.
But I think, you know, I think it's kind of accurate.
It's still a definitely a growing industry, you know.
And yeah, I think right now people care more about what you can do,
what you, you know, what you can bring to the table and how you are, right.
As you say, I think, well i know you from uh these two interviews
right but it sounds like uh your leadership is based on what you see in people and um you know
you value people and i think that's amazing to be honest yeah yeah and 100 has to be like this
yeah yeah 100 has to be like this on that note patrick's what's the one misconception people
might have about being a founder probably the one that you hate the most
not sure if i'll like literally mention the one that I hate the most because I think I would need to take more time to think about it.
I don't hate anything in general, to be honest. I think hate is a very strong word.
Or what do people say about you or about founders in crypto that you think is not true 90% of the times?
not true like 90 of the times it's difficult because if sometimes the people are 90 to write
like honestly because like i said i think the quality on founders is still
you know it's it's a democratic industry that's blockchain and that means that the quality
the level of professionalism
goes lower as well because we don't have
many experience. You understand what I
mean? So depending on what
they say on the founders, I think 90%
or most of the time is true, but
you need to see who's talking about.
So I think
people that are always thinking that a project
or a founder is
always like a billionaire, right?
A billionaire or the guy, he created everything.
He launched a token.
He's always like taking care of everything else besides of the company and just making money for himself.
Like I said, could be the 90% of the time is this.
Like I said, could be the 90% of the time is this, but so far my experience on the founders that I know that I like to be related to, those are the ones that make the most sacrifice.
And people don't understand that.
The ones that waive salary, the ones that literally do things that they will never let you know to pay your salary or to keep the company running.
let you know to pay your salary or to keep the company running.
So I think the big misconceptions is that like a community or someone from a random
Twitter account think that this founder is making a shitload of money and they have
no idea how much sacrifice this person is doing.
Personally, uh, for the company and for every single employee or
and for every single member of the community.
So I think it is a big misconception sometimes but like i said this is a very broad industry it's difficult i don't want to say this about every founder yeah of course of course yeah
thanks patrick's and um yeah um i think you pretty much answered my question that was hidden and and behind that
question um let's uh yeah let's try to bring it back to the day-to-day now for um a modern leader
like you um because leading something like much chain and you know building something like much
ai isn't just about big ideas it It's also about the execution, right?
Which many times is, I think, the hardest part, right?
When building something like matched AI, Patrick,
what's the tallest part?
Like what's the most difficult part?
Like developing the technology, do you think,
or defining the vision or leading leading the team you know coordinating everyone
to to navigate in the same direction yeah i think it's always about um the people like you like you
said uh so to find the right partners to write to find the right um people that will trust you
or trust your vision and jump on board with
you. I think this is the most difficult part because it's really naive for anyone to say
that, oh, I got the best AI developer genius in the world. He works for me. Like there's
always a big bear there. There's always someone crazier than you. What we need really to have is people that are resilient.
I don't care if it's AI, blockchain,
there's always a person or a brain or a human or a heart behind.
So I think the most difficult part is to build the right team
and the right people.
I still don't have the perfect recipe.
I'm still trying to shape it.
I'm still selecting, filtering.
But when
I start something, I start with some conviction.
I believe that everyone around
us right now, Match
A, Match AI, the community,
Match ID,
it's not a large, large
team or group, and I think
that never should be,
but are people that are really dreamers,
visionaries and ambitious people.
If you have ambitions and you have ethics,
I think that's the main characteristics
that we need to have to build up something like Match.ai,
some project like this.
All right.
Yeah.
And, oh, by the way i have shared also a a tweet by matching uh patrick mentioned
he likes to have fun and there you can see you know how patrick is having fun in brazil um
i have to ask my next question uh patrick's i know everyone listening always wonders you know how
founders keep it together like what you guys do what does a typical day in your life look like
right now probably quite crazy and how do you stay grounded you know while managing like the super fast pace in crypto and the pressure
you need to know your why so that's very simple i know exactly my why which is not on my linkedin
so if you know your why why you you do xyz things day, and you're convinced about it, you can't face anything.
And I have a very, very, very strong why.
So this is what moves me to never stop.
And it doesn't mean that you are Iron Man or you are unbeatable.
You have your fucked up days, the time that you're like really exhausted and tired.
And sometimes you have to acknowledge and you have to take a step back, right?
So sometimes two or three steps back, it's like a slingshot.
You have to pull back to go further with more speed.
So as long as you never forget your why and keep true to yourself,
you can face everything.
So find your why.
There's an exercise very good
that's called seven whys.
Google it and try to do it
and then you will find more things.
So that's what I'll say.
Find your why and then you're going to keep strong.
Yeah.
The seven whys recommended by Petrix.
Everyone listening, check it out.
And regarding your day, your typical day, Petrix,
what time do you start?
What time do you end?
What do you do in between?
Yeah, I have like, I always shape my day across my,
around my calendar, right?
Around the meetings that I have, the calls that I have.
But also,
I don't...
Honestly,
it's very difficult.
I don't know how those guys do it, to be honest.
To have a healthy lifestyle
being a founder. I think when you
achieve millions and millions and millions,
and then, yes, you can go run in the morning,
blah, blah, blah, blah.
Watch all those beautiful things on Instagram
from founders and CEOs doing XYZ things.
But I think it's pretty difficult.
So I like to say that my day-to-day life,
I don't have time zone.
Sometimes I go to sleep at 9 a.m., literally.
Sometimes I go to sleep at 9 p.m.
So no matter which country I am, I always work around what I have to do.
What is my next call?
I need to talk with someone in L.A.
I need to talk with someone in Australia.
I need to talk with someone in Singapore.
So whatever it is, my calendar, it's how I do it.
So that's my day.
Honestly, there's no much healthy lifestyle.
I try to keep my mind sane sometimes, going out, meeting friends, having a drink or something like this. But that's all the rest is purely work, work, work and mission. Like we are in a building
phase. And I would say that my lifestyle, my day to day life is not that healthy yet.
I'm working on improving it, but that's just so much to do that.
I lack discipline on my sleep, you know, like I don't remember seven days in a row that is left before midnight in many years, you know?
So yeah, it's difficult.
It's difficult, especially early stage company
like this a startup you need to just grind grind it's difficult but um as tron said right someone
has time or had to do it right someone has to do it someone has to do it and never gonna touch or hurt uh anyone else like hurts you you know so and regarding pressure patrick's
what's your mindset around around that around pressure especially you know um when expectations
only seem to grow and i guess that you having been in front of in a stadium with 15, you know, 20 K people, you know, looking at you and what you do or what you, you know, fail, um, that probably has helped you.
But like, what's your mindset around that?
It's like, uh, I can go back a little bit more without making it too long on one
you mentioned that sometimes you're born with it.
Sometimes you're not, or you need to find what triggers you.
So what I can tell you, because you used the example of my previous career,
is that I had a problem before on my previous career, which I learned that
this is a great characteristic that supports me today.
But you still have ways that you need to go around it, which is I had a lot of difficult, Sergio, to be my own engine.
And when I mention my own engine, I want to say that, you know, when you have a silent room and you are you and your mind and the,
the apparatus that you have to compete,
or you need to perform your routine and you need to be the one motivating
yourself, pushing yourself.
You know what I mean?
Like, uh, or stay focused alone in silent.
I had a lot of difficult to be my own engine.
Why I'm telling you this?
Because I always loved when I wasn't asking any teammate in which I had hundreds in my career.
I was always asking them to fucking scream, push, hit me, slap me before I go and compete, put pressure.
Because I like to see the energy.
I like to see the pressure.
the pressure, the pressure, the energy made me focus.
The pressure, the energy made me focus.
Understand what I mean?
If I was in a room and I stayed in with 20,000 people
and that was silent, that would be awful.
When the people are screaming and putting energy
and pushing and screaming, let's go, let's go,
whatever it is, that was making me focus
and putting attention on me.
Because if there was silence or talking
or listening a music
around i would be listening that i would be i would go out of the event doing flips skills and
and i can tell you everything what we're talking about so i had a lot of difficulty this and
pressure make you focus tough moments make me focus you know so i like it that's how i deal with it i kind of like it that's my engine
that's my fuel i always had my best competition was when i had some kind of mild injury not a
large big injury but when i was yeah when i was perfect with my body perfect and had nothing to to overcome oh okay so you understand that's interesting right yeah that's interesting yeah
yeah i know but again it's about uh i need to understand you need to make a self-exercise
right you need to make a knowledge who you are what you do what you did and that's the
exercise that i did about myself i always did better myself. I always did better under pressure.
I always did better when I had a situation to overcome.
So trust me, we have plenty here.
So I'm very motivated.
Yeah, I can tell.
I can tell.
Another very quick question, Patrick,
which is regarding the crowd.
Do you prefer the crowd to be on your side or do you prefer the crowd to be on the opponent's side?
Of course, always on my side.
I like to see the energy come towards me.
But I don't remember, to be honest, if I had a crowd against my side because my personal
experience on my career
it's not like football, basketball
when you are shooting a penalty
or free throw and people are screaming
against you. If they were screaming
against me, I can break my neck though
this is gymnastics
it's so dangerous, you know what I mean?
Yeah, true
You don't watch Formula One.
You like Hamilton and then you ask for whatever,
stop and crash, crash, crash.
You don't do that.
Yeah, true.
Right?
So I never had the experience,
at least clearly loud,
definitely a bunch of haters,
but of that crowd being against me ever. In different situations, but not on sport, I would say.
And that motivates me that, like I said, that motivates me.
As long as you're true to yourself and you know your why, that doesn't shake me.
I'm very, very good isolating things aside.
If those things are coming towards me,
because it's still some kind of pressure,
you know,
it's still some kind of engine.
I'm going to fucking prove you wrong.
Right.
Or that coach that was challenged you,
that was not believing you,
that was trying to make our life a hell.
They love it.
Bring more.
I will destroy your confidence or everything because I'm going to prove you
that I I'm, I'm worth it.
So it depends.
I can say that both, it's very, very good motivational for me.
All right.
Yeah.
Thanks again, Patrix, for that.
And well, now that we got to know a little more about you,
I will try to pull back you know and yeah look ahead for a
moment um back to matching and looking at the broader roadmap what are matching's top priorities
for 2025 uh petrics any milestones or launches that you are particularly excited about any alpha yes we we are finalizing the roadmap right now and i
think the community is going to be super bullish and excited about the roadmap uh we have more
partnership to announce this match ai was just the first thing we're going to have another five
six things that will come on the same level and much better, to be honest, because the intelligence
is here, but now we need to put the things for the intelligence to work, to read and to
combine and compound.
So I would say that the roadmap of match chain is coming.
We're going to share very soon.
And great partnerships on Web3 and Web2 will come as well.
Now we have a token. The token is live. and great partnerships on Web3 and Web2 will come as well.
Now we have a token.
The token is live.
All we're talking about, about the data, the worth it, and et cetera. MAT is the data currency of everything that's going to happen in our ecosystem.
So now it's time to create the value and more and more utility for our token every day.
It's early, and it's a great time to be around.
Great, great to know.
I do see some questions in the comment section,
which are, you know, mentioning price, trading, etc.
I just wanted to let all of you know that,
well, it's not a topic that we discuss in the partner spotlights in this kind of X spaces.
Yeah, so I'm sorry about that.
And, well, I just wanted to clarify that.
And for people who want to be involved, Patrick,
how can they do so in the matching ecosystem?
There's so many ways for us to be part of the community, of course.
Join our Twitter, Telegram, our website, our applications,
Match Hub, Match AI, Match ID.
Start to contribute.
If you want to contribute closer as an ambassador or even work and join us,
part of the community somehow, or even on the tech part, always welcome.
You can always email join at matchchain.org.
There's so many ways.
And I would say the best way that you can contribute to this is spreading
around the message, the mission, the vision that you have, right? And being early. Being early is the best thing that you can contribute to this is spreading around the message the mission the
vision that you have right and being early being early is the best thing that you can have don't
follow a trend because if you're following a trend you're already late it's a trend already
predict the next one right if you allow me sergio uh i see a question here. I think we are seeing the same one,
which is a concern about the veracity, right?
How do you read my mind, though?
Yes, I really have a concern about the rest of matching partnership PSG.
You can simply, like, literally scroll on our Twitter,
go to PSG Telegram, PSG Instagram, PSG Twitter, PSG website.
So if you go to Google and type Matt Chain PSG,
you're going to go on PSG website, the official one, psg.fr.
You're going to find everything about our sponsorship,
about our partnership, about the GIS.
If you go to something curious, Sergio,
if you go to PSG Instagram with 70 million followers, no, 65 million followers, and you go to their videos, to the reels, you're going to see that the most true watched reels on the whole Instagram page of PSG is about matching match ID viral 70 million impressions and 62 million impressions last time i checked
so i think don't get more official than that when you talk about player id and about the
partnerships and i completely understand uh we are working hard to explore this more and more
and more with them and to make sure that this becomes even, let's say, a great example for the industry, because that's our main goal, to be a use case and inspiration for global IP brands to join blockchain.
And that's it.
I think that's how we can respond.
Go check around facts and the platforms.
Don't trust Verify.
Oh, my gosh yeah um definitely and thank you patrick for clarifying
that although um i think it's uh well i mean it didn't need much clarification you know just a
google search um but yeah and now i want to also circle back to something that we came up in our last conversation.
And the last time we spoke, all you had were really positive words about Anchor.
And I just wondered, do you still maintain that view?
Has Anchor continued supporting and assisting my chain throughout the journey?
A hundred percent, obviously.
Anchor plays a really good and a very important role
on the partnership, on the service that you guys provide
for my chain to build an infrastructure on many angles
from our token deployment, from the staking pools,
from liquid staking tokens.
You guys are a very crucial partner on our infrastructure.
We work together.
We hire your services.
We are becoming this great partner and family.
And there's a lot more coming between Matching and Anchor
that we are planning to do.
And I hope that we can get this out of the paper
and bring it to both of our communities.
So I really want every single member of Matching community
to become an Anchor supporter and community.
And if you're looking to build or have some kind of
any infrastructure service, you choose Anchor.
And the Anchor community and users as well
take a look and give a chance to match in as well and join our ecosystem
well thank you so much uh patrick for the nice words and yeah i'm super happy that uh you know
our team is uh well doing a nice job and in supporting my chain and well you know well time is
unfortunately running up I booked Patrick's for 90 minutes and I need to
give Patrick's back to his team but yeah Patrick you know in the partner
spotlight we like to give our guests the final word. And the last time you shared, you know, a piece with us.
This time I want to do it a little bit differently, which is still, you know, you have the final word.
But in this case, I would like to give you the topic.
Before I let you go, it's one thing I would love to ask, which is if you now could go back in time you know and give one
piece of advice to your 20 years old self or to someone you know that you think um it's going to
be useful to to break into the web 3 to break into you know to be become a leader what would it be
um i would say don't put too much pressure on yourself
and accept.
Don't be, let's say, don't be passive,
but accept what happens to you.
Your plan is for building, right?
And you only build making mistakes.
So I would say my best advice would be take every single shot you have.
That's what I would change if I could, because there was so many, for example,
even competitions that I decided not to participate because of XYZ injury.
And then I saved for the next competition.
And then the next competition had a new injury.
So you never know what's going to happen to you.
So don't be afraid to make mistakes.
Take every shot that you have.
Take every shot you have.
And then if it is not the right way, not the right thing to do, it's one less direction,
one path that you know that is closed that's not the door one
less option next next next right but all of this is experience so i i value more you may sound make
me maybe think i'm crazy but i value more someone that has 10 million in debt than someone that has 1 million dollars in the bank
account positive literally so i understand the philosophy yeah so that's what i say yeah i
definitely understand the philosophy um and i love how you encourage people to make mistakes, which, I mean,
lately it just feels like everyone is so afraid of making mistakes.
And one thing I do think as well, and I agree with you,
is that you can learn from them.
If you don't lose yourself in the mistake, you actually do learn from them.
So, yeah.
Yeah. mistake you you actually do learn from them so yeah yeah i think if it would be in a shorter way
i think you could say the worst place you can be is your comfort zone that's all get out of
a fucking comfort zone yeah that's powerful open fund your company and that's it comfort zone is the most dangerous place to be that's powerful and yeah well um
that was such a rich conversation patrick's by the way uh unfortunately to everyone uh time is up
and but again patrick's super rich conversation honestly um generally thank you for taking the time to share your journey
your vision the heart right behind uh my chain as well um today we talked about match ai specifically
um but yeah to to our listeners if you enjoyed this episode be sure to give us a follow be sure
to keep an eye on my chain share with somebody who's curious you know about what's coming next in
web3 share with somebody who's looking to join the web3 as well right um not only as a practitioner
but also as uh you know somebody who is part of the web3 working or who wants to work in it and
you can find more about my chain at matching..io. And yeah, we will definitely, you know, you have them all,
you have posts, you have links pinned in here in the session.
And at some point, we will have Thomas, right, Petrix?
Yes, exactly.
Next time, we are going to talk about the DeFi products at Matchain,
which are also very interesting.
And yeah, so looking forward to do that very soon.
Perfect. Let's go. Thank you so much, guys.
Thank you so much, Sergio community, everyone that spent some time here with us today.
And thank you very much, Anchor Team. We appreciate you.
Thank you so much again, Patrick.
And we will catch my chain next time and
the partner spotlight as well and until then take care until then thank you bye bye thank you patrick
