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Penumbra Community Call #12
Recorded: April 2, 2025 Duration: 0:50:47Space Recording
Short Summary
The Penumbra ecosystem is experiencing significant developments, including the launch of a new Blockchain Explorer, innovations in DEX technology, and partnerships with privacy-focused projects like Nomada. The community is actively engaged in growth initiatives, supported by grants and collaborative efforts to enhance user experience and privacy in the blockchain space.
Full Transcription
We are live. Good morning, good morning.
Hello community. Thanks, Ira. Indeed.
I just realized like my handle on here is like huge and like I can hide behind it.
It's like privacy. It's like I can only talk privacy in the form of my own.
It has the name. Yeah, it doesn't really work.
Yeah.
Well, welcome, everyone.
And to anyone who's watching the video as a recording, thanks for watching.
Welcome to you as well.
Welcome to you as well, indeed.
So this is another community call we're super excited to have.
And we have a little bit of a packed agenda today, I guess.
Right, Amber?
Like a lot of things to get.
Yeah, we do.
Yeah.
Okay, cool.
So just a heads up that Gar is going to go first.
Then we're going to hear from the cool folks at Zekhub.
And then we're going to hear from PK Labs.
And then you can round us off. So go get
a cup of tea or something because you are, it should be a chiller, chiller meeting for you.
Cool. Very excited to have the people from Zekhub with us today. I have known them for a really
long time. I've actually like, I'm looking in the waiting room and I've realized I've never actually like, I was like, oh wait, I've actually never met these people on video. I've actually, like, I'm looking in the waiting room, and I've realized I've never
actually, like, I was like, oh, wait, I've actually never met these people on video. I've only ever
chatted with them through chat, so it's really nice to be putting faces to the names. Squirrel,
I've seen you in, like, I don't know, like, three different servers, so when you're up here, I'm
super excited to have you on here, but I won't speak for you in my personal opinion of y'all's accolades and y'all's abilities.
So very excited for the guests today.
Also, as you mentioned, right,
there's a really great team that we've been working with pretty closely
who just released the V1 of the Explorer.
I'm so stoked about this.
It looks so good.
They also use some of the design language
that was pre-established with Penumbra,
which a lot of people can go check out
at ui.penumbra.zone.
It's the component library that people can use
to build their own software experiences
to interact with Penumbra.
So I know that was partially used
to get the Explorer in motion.
So I'm really excited to hear more about that
and have them talk through what the V1 looks like.
So with that, I'll step back, and then I'll
come back a little bit later.
So thanks so much for hosting this, Ember,
and for us moving forward with it today.
EMBER LYNCHEYER- Absolutely.
Good morning, or good afternoon, or good evening,
or whatever is going on.
Hello.
Just as a kind of
summary, this is the Penumbra community call. And we have a bunch of sort of representatives of
people who are working within the broader Penumbra ecosystem. Gar, don't go away.
I'm not.
And, okay. And so we have, for instance, we have Park, who we'll hear from at the end, from CEO of Radiant Commons, which is a go-to-market entity advocating for privacy.
We have Gar, who's the product manager over at Penumbra Labs.
These are the brilliant genius developers behind all of this.
And then we have a couple of other community members who are doing cool stuff who will be presenting as well.
So we're going to start it off with Gar.
And you have the stage.
Thank you, Amber.
Okay, so I thought I would take the opportunity this week to...
So two weeks ago, I covered a couple of upcoming features.
And one of which prompted some questions to me after the fact.
Which, you know, first of all,
probably means I didn't do a good enough job of explaining it, but second of all, it gives us an opportunity to talk about one of the unique attributes of Vale, the decks built on Penumbra.
The feature that I was talking about was the route book, and I will come back to that at the end of my spiel. But what I'd
like to talk about just as a preamble to that is, again, one of the unique features of the DEX engine
that powers Vale, and that is the manner in which transactions are executed and routed.
So what is unique about our DEX engine is that I love the, what's it called, metaphor, I suppose, used on
guide.prenumber.zone, where you can read all about this, is that the DEX engine acts like a
smart GPS. So essentially what happens is that it's finding the best route for any given trade
that is executed on the DEX. So any liquidity that is added to our pool,
if you add liquidity between two given assets, it's not restricted to being used between those
assets. What will happen is that the DEX engine will execute any given trade by finding the best
trading path across all available liquidity. So if you go to guide.prenumber.zone.dex,
you'll see a diagram of how this liquidity graph works out.
So you'll have various liquidity positions within that graph.
So they could be between A, B, C to UM.
And then when a trade is executed,
the engine will find the best path across all of that available liquidity for you as a trader to get the best price for that trade.
So that is, I guess, that is very specific to somebody looking to trade an asset or to execute a trade.
But what does that mean for liquidity providers?
So for liquidity providers? So for
liquidity providers let's think about what they actually want to do. They want to provide liquidity
in such a way that it is executed upon such that they can gather fees on that liquidity,
on those liquidity positions. Now in order to do that effectively, they need to understand where the most effective
liquidity lives in the DEX and what is the liquidity that is being executed upon the most
as it stands today. So one of the ways that they can do that is by looking at the route book.
I don't have a way to share. I should have done this beforehand, but I can describe it.
Right now, the route book panel within Veil will show you, for a list of the most recent
executions, how many hops were taken in order to execute that specific trade.
In some cases, it's just one hop.
If there's enough liquidity between, let's say, PTC and UM, that's where that's what
will happen.
But in the cases where the DEX engine needs to act like that GPS and find the most optimal
route, you will be able to see the hops that it took along the way.
Right now, all you can see are the actual hops that it took. share a window, which is this one. And this is what you're looking at here is what will
eventually become the v2 of the route book. So again, what you can see today is that you can see
that for a given execution, you would be able to see that it went from UM to OSMO, from OSMO to
ATOM, and from ATOM to USDC. And again, that is executing a trade from UM to USDC using this
smart GPS system. But in V2 of the Routbook, what LPs will be able to see is the actual positions
that were executed upon for that trade to take place. And so an LP will then be able to see those
individual trades or individual positions, link out to view the details of those individual positions, and
then we'll be able to gather intel that will allow them to more effectively build their
own liquidity provision strategy. So this is something that we're really excited about.
It will take a little bit of time to develop and release. There will be some protocol changes that need to happen in order for this to be possible, but it could be happening in
the next month or two. And it's a part of a broader project that we're working on to provide more and
more transparency to liquidity providers such that it's easier and more efficient for them to build
their own strategies. So that is what I wanted to share today. Oh, actually, no, it's not. There
was one more thing. If I can find it. So right now, one of the other things that we're working
on is specking out Prax v2.
There is a lot of opportunity for, sorry, and I should say Prax is the wallet that is used to interact with the Penumbra protocol.
And I should say that there are a lot of opportunities to extend upon, I should stop sharing.
You can tell that I don't present to crowds much.
There are lots of opportunities to extend on the functionality of PRAX and also just
general usability.
Now we can't do this in a vacuum.
We want to hear from all of you, our community, the people that we do all this wonderful work
for.
In order to do that, I've put together a quick survey, which I will drop.
Oh, I actually can't drop it into join the chat oh dear Ember
do you mind sharing that link that I sent you earlier for the survey or if not we can do it
we'll share it far and wide we'll do it on the Twitter we'll do it in the discord you won't be
able to miss it yeah okay perfect thank you so much okay well a link will be shared which in
the links to a survey that will help us
to gather the requirements, what's called a wish list.
We wanna hear from you,
we wanna hear from you about the things that Prax does well,
the things that it definitely could do better,
and most importantly, the features
that we should be adding to it,
such that it does the things that you want to do
when you open it.
So there you go.
So please feel free to respond to that.
And there's also an option right at the bottom there to indicate whether you'd like to take part
in ongoing user research.
So please feel free to share your contact details there
if you'd like to do some more kind of proactive research
in the future.
And that's me. Amazing. Thank you, Gar. Yep. Stay tuned.
Everyone will be able to see the link survey. And we do have some onboarding opportunities
coming up. I'm going to change how we look so that we're bigger. Definitely have some
onboarding opportunities for people who want to get involved in user testing that will be compensated. So
we really appreciate everyone who gives their valuable time to testing things out and we will
be supporting you in that endeavor. So stay tuned. This is all sort of a part of that.
I'm so used to Park jumping in. Do you want to say anything, Park, or should we just continue on?
I can see your face if you want to. I can't hear you, but I can see your face.
Oh, hang on.
Yeah, I just wanted to jump in and say, you know, yes, I am. I just wanted to jump in and say that,
like, first of all, thank you, Gar, for, you know, giving us a little bit of a preview on
stuff that's coming. And just as a reminder to
anyone who's watching right now, there is an active trading interface that people can interact with
that is live at dex.penumbra.zone. You can connect your Prax wallet to it. You can trade assets that
are accessible to Penumbra over IBC. You can provide liquidity
if that's something you're interested in doing.
And as a reminder, any IBC transfer into Penumbra
is instantly private,
meaning that IBC transfers into Penumbra
are the privacy boundary for the network.
So that's just something to keep in mind.
This means that once you have entered the Penumbra,
you are private.
So it's just something to keep in mind
and feel pretty excited about.
So I just wanted to add that
because I think maybe it's always important
to remind everyone of the fact that like,
there's something that you can actually go and use today.
Absolutely.
Thank you, Park.
All right, next up, I think we have the Zcash folks.
So Squirrel, that's just you, yeah?
I think so.
All right, come on up and I'm gonna make Park go away.
This is so fun.
Hello.
Hey, welcome.
Yeah, hi, it's great to be here
with the Penumbra people on a community call.
So, yeah, I guess I could introduce what we're doing, why we're here.
Yeah, and say who you are and what brought you here.
Yeah, yeah.
So, yeah, I'm a core team member on ZetHub.
And ZetHub is an educational hub.
It's a project.
It's about three years old and we provide educational resources.
So since the beginning,
we've created like documentation
specifically for Zcash right at the start.
But what we do now is like all privacy projects, essentially.
I'm gonna try and share my screen.
But it needs to be the right one.
Okay.
Right, so this I hope you can see, is the Zetcub Wiki.
And so there's been several iterations of this,
and it's a knowledge base.
And everything on here has been researched and created
by contributors from all
across the world.
And so the central purpose of what we do
is to host a bounty program.
And the idea is to demonstrate real-world usage
of private payment systems.
So in this case, we've been accepted for a grant by Penumbra.
And so we're going to be demonstrating real-world payments
for people who wish to contribute to the Penumbra ecosystem and earn UM.
How does this happen?
It happens using Dwork.
So if you go to dwork.zettkub.org,
you'll find a bounty board.
And so you can view, I don't know if it's loading,
but you should be able to view tasks that are pending or to do,
tasks that are in progress, some which are in review,
and those that are done.
So it's completely transparent.
The amounts which we issue for bounties is shown there as well.
Due dates, all the details.
So we have different sections.
On the left, you can see this is right now the Zcash section.
There's also a Zcash Espanol section.
We have a design sub-DAO and there's one task
open for Penumbra. What we'll be doing, I don't know if I could share Discord as well.
Share screen. I. OK, we're in Discord. And this is the Penumbra Discord.
So if you're interested in contributing
to the Penumbra ecosystem, join the Discord.
You don't need to be a super dev to contribute to the Penumbra ecosystem. You could be like a graphic designer, or you could be interested in creating video tutorials, for example, for Veil decks.
So if this interests you, if this sounds like you could do it, join the server.
Specifically, you should be looking into the contributors section
where we have a Zcash portal.
And if you want to chat with any Zcashers or view tasks for Penumbra,
it'll be here.
Right.
So maybe just a quick closing note.
I'll share a different screen.
We are also a DAO.
And so ZetHub isn't controlled by core team members.
In fact, there's a DAO.
There's 20 members.
We could go to members.
20 members.
It's open to anyone if you wish to become a DAO member
and say the direction that you would like Zecub to go in, you could make a proposal.
And if there's any specific project that you're interested in carrying out, for example,
becoming an ambassador of some sort, creating some kind of special website or service,
you can create a DAO proposal. I think the only requirement is that you have
Kepler wallet and some Juno which we can provide as well. Okay happy to take questions or anything.
That's amazing. Squirrel, so what kind of bounties will be at play for fulfilling these particular requests that are posted?
Yes.
Right now we have an open bounty to create a poster design, which illustrates threshold custody wallets.
I haven't, I might be wrong.
I haven't seen any, like, in production use of Penumbra Threshold Custody, but it will be
something that people use. And so this is a good example. I think we have a number of people who've
already applied for it. So something I could add is when you are applying for tasks, try to include
links to any relevant or similar work that you've
done in the past, because it helps us select the right person.
Absolutely amazing. I'm also going to hop in and remind folks who already, you're already
familiar with that, if you're following us or if you're in the discord um but we are participating in web3 privacy now's meme-a-thon for the month of april so um we really value people contributing
in all kinds of ways um that one's pretty fun um posters visuals um just getting the word out
sharing sharing this like complex and really cool thing um in ways that people can understand and
use um that's kind of what we're all about. So thank you so much for that squirrel.
Do we have any questions? I'm just looking to park just because yes.
Okay. Yeah. It's a habit at this point, isn't it? Yeah.
I really appreciate you being here squirrel. It, like I said,
I've known you for a few years. I actually wanted to maybe,
I think you gave a little bit of a spiel about Zekhub, but I'd be really curious, like,
you could talk a little bit about, like, what the background from Zekhub is and some of its
roots as well, because since you've been around for a while. Absolutely, yeah. So there's someone
called, excuse me, someone called Yanis who created ZetHub.
I didn't create it.
It was someone else.
And it was his baby.
And he kind of entrusted it to core team members.
The idea behind it was this has to be something that if one person gets gets hit by a bus then the project can survive
yeah um so yeah he entrusted it to the core team members to maintain this bounty program
to build the website and so the zekhub wiki website now actually has a dashboard i wonder
if i could share my screen again.
You can do it, you can do it, go ahead.
Okay.
Also, just as like a, maybe a question
that fills the air while you're looking to fill the screen
is also like, why is ZecHub so focused
on supporting other privacy protocols other than Zcash?
That's something that I've always been very pleased to see, right?
But I kind of wanted to give you an offer, a chance to talk about.
Well, we believe that privacy can be from several different other projects.
There's some things we started with Zcash.
There's some things Zc with Zcash. There's something Zcash doesn't do and people still
need privacy when they're interacting with if they want USDC for example or if they want to
like use Vail Dex or something like that. And so educating people on how to access these technologies
it also fulfills our purpose.
That's why we're hoping to be a shielded ecosystem education hub.
Yeah, I think that's the main reason why.
Another reason is like in privacy in particular,
you see this a lot.
Take for example, Zcash versus Monero or like yes in in crypto you tend to see because
these assets um are like necessary for the security of the network um and like drive it to some to
some degree they drive like the economic activity on the network, people become very tribal around specific assets and become
maximalists. So we're trying to stop that. I appreciate that. I think it's really important.
More privacy is more better. It's kind of how we like to joke about it here at Penumbra.
So what are we looking at here? We're looking at a dashboard showing Zcash network metrics.
So this was built over time by several different contributors.
And we see the total shielded supply, the sprout pool supply sapling and orchard.
And there's also a shielded transactions chart.
So this gives you like the cumulative number of transactions
and, as a result, the estimated anonymity set of the network.
And because Zcash is similar in some ways to Penumbra,
because there's the Sapling payment protocol,
it might be possible to list similar metrics
for different networks.
So yeah, this is a cool thing that we're hoping to do.
If you're interested in contributing,
you can click contribute and enter your Penumbra address here.
Love it.
Thank you so much for doing that.
It's a great honor, honestly,
to have y'all working with us
and having applied to the grants program.
So I just wanna thank you on my own part
from Radiant Commons, just like for having you here
and having you be a part of the Penumbra community.
Like, you know, I like to think that I think there's a little bit of like, it's not just like chain maximalism.
There's also like community maximalism sometimes.
And that's a problem because like tribalism in terms of like the communities means that communities become less willing to work with one another.
means that communities become less willing to work with one another.
And I think that if we treat privacy as a zero sum game,
then we're never actually going to get privacy to win.
So I'm really appreciative of the service that you all provide.
And I'll hand it back to you, Amber.
Yep, all good.
It looks like someone else from ZecHub had all the data's on your GitHub,
and that's the GitHub that's being shared.
Incredible.
Squirrel, do you have anything else you wanted to add?
I don't think this will be the last time that we'll have you on here as this project continues, as we keep to want to keep having you around.
I want to say thank you both.
Yeah, we're super happy about the zcash portal and um yeah super appreciative
thank you fabulous okay incredible um i'm gonna knock you off the stage all right um next we have
sergey and ernesto are we feeling good feeling ready um i'm excited. Moving you up anyways. All right. Yeah, me too.
Okay.
Now I'm like shuffling you all around.
Okay, now part go away.
All right.
Hello.
Good morning.
Good evening.
How are we doing?
Tell us who you are and what's up.
Hello, everyone.
So probably I will start.
Thank you for this great chance to be here with the Pnumbra community. We are really excited with Ernesto to share who we are and what we're working on in the community.
So I'm Sergei, a CEO of PKE Labs. It's a Swiss software development company.
We are specialized in blockchain application development and specifically in development of blockchain explorers.
And as a company building applications for end users,
we are really passionate about improving user experience in the community.
So it's easy to use all the functions of the blockchain, all these things that core
team members put in their protocols. And because of ernesto our lead product designer who
has a lot of experience in building really cool and user-friendly applications so ernesto please
introduce yourself thank you sergey hi everyone i will introduce myself. My name is Ernesto. I have around over a decade of experience in product design.
I have worked in many different industries such as FinTech, also industrial and enterprise applications.
And basically my work is to create the application simple and user-friendly and simplify complex systems.
Cool, so then I think I would like to talk a little bit about our progress
with Blockchain Explorer and share that we recently released the first version of blockchain explorer you can go to explore.penumbra.zone
and take a look yourself so i think i will share my screen and show a little bit the website
so um can you see the screen?
Cool.
So this is the homepage of Blockchain Explorer.
It's the first version, so not everything is available here yet.
We were focused mainly on integrating the basic functions,
like here you can see the current block, We were focused mainly on integrating the basic functions.
Here you can see the current block, number of transactions,
list of all the blocks in the blockchain,
and list of all transactions that happened in the blockchain.
What is interesting here is that if you go into any transaction, you can actually
see different information about the transaction. And we tried to show here all the parameters
which are important for users to know and which are also available in the wallet, like Actions or Memo.
But as Penumbra is a privacy blockchain,
you cannot see all these details here as an external user,
but you can see that there is something going on under the hood.
And this helps users to understand how Penumbra works because it's a privacy blockchain which actually encrypts a lot
of data but there are some parameters which are available to anyone else to explore and here you
can actually understand what is available and what is not and if you are also a developer we
have a very useful function here to explore raw.json, where you can find all the information that is coming from blockchain
and use it for your use case if you're building anything on Penumbra.
And I think the last thing that I wanted to mention
about this version of the Explorer,
we worked a lot with Radiant Commons and Penumbra Labs
to make sure that we're building a consistent UI,
a UI which is consistent across different applications.
And that's why the card that you see here in the Explorer,
it's going to be also available in the wallet application.
And then there you will be able to see different versions
of this card with decrypted and encrypted state,
which will allow you to have the same user experience
across all the applications and not get distracted
when you move across applications
and see different screens.
So I think that's what I wanted to talk about the version one.
We also were currently working on next iterations of the Explorer,
specifically on IBC, validator screens,
and later we will work on DEX and governance screens.
And I think I want to ask Ernesto to share a little bit more about the process of development,
the design process, how we approach the development of IBC and validator screens right now,
as it's very important and it's very interesting uh
for everyone to hear so please ernesto go ahead perfect thank you okay i will share my screen
you know you can see
okay i will make you a walkthrough of the design process we are following to create
the penumbra explorer we are using user-centered design it's a process that follows different steps.
The idea is that the outcome of this process is to create a good user experience,
that we can create an application where we take in consideration your opinions.
Sergei is usually sharing some surveys in Discord, I think. And also for take every feedback you want to give us
about how you use the Penumbra applications.
In this process, we go into four phases that is basically
analyze the context or the way you use Penumbra
and how do you want to use it to define the user requirements and needs.
Then we create some mockups and prototypes and then we evaluate the technical possibilities
for implementation.
I will make you also a walkthrough about what is coming next.
We are working in a feature called IVC.
In this feature we are going to show the connections from penumbra
with all the other chains in ivc um this more than less is the design that we are going we are
building on we can see the different information regarding the transactions and the channels of
every chain and we are going to actually see this information
from the transactions in the transaction cards also.
And you will be able also to search
about these different connections.
Also, we are working for a validator section where you can see
all the information required for you to become a delegator or to become a validator or see
all the performance of of everyone here and the detailed pages where you can where you can see more in detail every element.
So this is still a work in progress.
And of course, we will keep asking for feedback from you.
And well, this is an overview of what we are doing.
And thank you.
If you have any questions.
Amazing. Thank you, Ern Ernesto for sharing this.
I think what I also wanted to add is that a lot of Explorer developers,
teams developing Explorers, they have very technical background,
or many of them are validators building this tool as an additional feature for their community.
And we want to build explorers differently.
For us, these explorers are not just a dashboard for visualizing data.
It's a website which allows users to actually understand how the blockchain works.
users to actually understand how the blockchain works.
And we want to show only the information,
which is the most important for users.
And we want to structure this information in
the way that it's easier for users to
understand what's going on in the blockchain.
And that's why we put a lot of work into thinking about designs
asking community about what they are using in the blockchain so we can take all this feedback
and and use it to build the best user experience yeah i think that's it. Amber, please. Yeah, I'm just chiming in there because Noctis was also like the, we had the community decide on the name,
we had the community decide on the logo, like we've had people kind of like be able to give their two cents
every step of the way so that this can be an experience that's useful for you. And you've had this beta tested. I'm sure there will be future rounds of testing.
So yes, this is very much a labor of like with community input, really every step of the way.
I mean, I want to say so like on the gradient comment side of things, we've working with uh the pk labs team for i mean
i guess it's been like three months now right um i i could just sing your praises all day long you
all are very professional team and you pivot around making sure that the product uh really
fits the spec and then whenever you have difficulties it's like really great to see how
you adapt and move from there i i did have a couple of questions, which were, so you're like
one of the first teams to develop something that isn't the core team, using pieces of Penumbra's
software and what it is that the network makes available. What would you say that experience
has been like? And you can be brutally honest here. But also what have been some like challenges
that you've seen in like
working with private data? I mean, you've worked on explorers before. And I mean, obviously,
Selenium is a fantastic explorer for Celestia. But I'm very curious, like, what has it been like to
deal with private data from the explorer side? So first question is like, you know, what's the
experience of developing with Numberbin like? And the the second one is like what has it been like to specifically work with the data itself
um well i think um we are um surprised by the level of core team uh in in the ecosystem uh and
that there are actually the team is not very big where it's pretty common to have big foundations around different blockchains and a lot of people around but actually not there are not so many core developers working on the product and here we see a very high concentration of very talented developers trying to maximize the output of their of their
work and we feel that we enjoy interacting with people because they are very responsive they help
us with everything it's there is no there are no communication problems everything is fast
there are no communication problems, everything is fast.
And we think that this is a very important part of any project
because it's not only about the technology,
it's also about the team, how the team works, about their vision.
And at the same time, technology is also amazing.
So, I mean, to be be honest there is nothing to complain
from our side the only problem is that because the team is so uh so smart it's sometimes difficult
to keep up with the pace and learn learn how our things feel because we want also to match the level.
Right.
And sometimes it's a little bit challenging.
It requires us to invest some time, but we enjoy that because it's also a learning curve
for us and we're really excited.
Oh, that's my feedback.
It's actually a great team and it has been a great experience until now.
We are all day starting to be at the same level.
Awesome. That's really cool.
And also, I think what I want to mention is,
I think this is the first project where we have this UI library,
which is aimed to make the user experience consistent
across different applications, which is a very special thing.
And I think a lot of teams, they don't build UI libraries
because it's just hard.
You need a specific level to do that.
But if you are able to do that, then the user experience
is the next level, I think.
It's a great library.
That's awesome.
That's good to hear.
Yeah, I mean, it was kind of a gamble putting that in motion.
I really have to thank our founding designer
for coming up with the idea and pushing it forward.
So I'm really glad to hear that because I think you're right.
It was very difficult to produce it. but it's hopefully this is a resource that's going to be available or that's
going to be useful to everyone going forward.
A lot of the number of stack is built around this principle, right?
So like the UI library has like a set of components that can be used and kind
of, I don't want to use the word term slapped together because it's harder
than that, but can be used to create a unified
product experience but there's obviously there's a lot of other pieces that are behind that too
right like there's the protobufs library which can speak at some other time um there's the indexer
which is native to the network that helps populate things so this takes me back to that second
question i kind of had because i wanted to like kind of ask about that a little bit like what has
it been like to work with the private data itself like dealing with the fact that like there's uh it's a network that doesn't really reveal
everything uh that's available to a user i think it's challenging because in the way that uh not
so we want to show um as much data as, but a lot of data is encrypted.
So what can we show?
And that's why we try to really understand.
And also, when everything is encrypted, it's difficult to...
We don't have a lot of tools to explain something to users.
So that's why you try to use what is available, all these ideas.
all these um um you know ideas uh and and like without showing the data you can show the data
structure like for example list of actions that you can see on uh on the transaction view and even
though you don't see what's going on there i mean what you don't see all the details but you can
understand what happened and i think this is very valuable so that people know that actually it's not that it's nothing is available i mean
you can understand what's going on uh yeah and uh and this is cool reading the documentation also
it's it's good for us to see which data it is encrypted and which data yeah and i think it's good for us to see which data is encrypted and which data. Yeah.
And I think it's also, we learned a lot from the documentation.
I agree with Ernesto.
So, and it's really cool because I know that it's hard to write good documentation and Penumbra team that did a lot of great work.
Good work.
Yeah. Okay. team that did a lot of good work.
Okay. Well, I will pass that on to the people who wrote it, because I think you're very right. It's very thankless work to write documentation. So I think sometimes when someone actually offers
thanks and they hear it, it's no longer thankless so I I think there's something really cool there as well
that I would want to maybe take this as an opportunity to bring attention to which is
what you just said right like Penumbra is an encrypted network when it comes to it which
means that all the privacy on the network starts and ends with the users the people who are actually
utilizing a device to generate the proofs they get posted to the network but and ends with the users, the people who are actually utilizing a device
to generate the proofs they get posted to the network. But so that kind of asks the question,
right, like around building a block explorer, like what you just showed us, like it gives people a
sense for what it is that happens on the network. And like you said, right, like you're looking
through it, and you realize like, oh, well, you can actually label the actions, you know,
the actions are happening on the network, you just can't tell the specifics of the actions.
And I think this is like a very important thing
for a user to understand.
So I really think it's been great
to see you all design this into the Explorer,
which is that the activity on the network is public, right?
It's just not public who's doing it.
And this is a crucial design paradigm.
And part of the language of using a blockchain that is private is that it actually gives users full autonomy while still allowing the network to incorporate a design principle of having activity be public.
having activity be public. And like, you know, obviously like activity, meaning like not like,
oh, I can see that one account, I don't know who the account is, but one account is sending
everything out there. But like, you can see that like transactions are happening on the network.
And it's really this information that is, is utilized to build things like the decks on the
network. It's like all that, like all of that visible data, all the activity that's actually
available in the network,
is what allow things like the decentralized exchange at the center of the number to exist.
So, again, just really, really appreciative to have you all working on this Explorer. It's been
such a pleasure. And obviously, the preview you just gave makes me think that there's even more
exciting things to see in the future. And it meansins will have you back on this call so you can talk through what those things are.
But more importantly, it's just awesome to see a first team
taking on something so complicated
and using it as an opportunity to explain the advantages
of this network as a private, interoperable privacy network.
But not just based on privacy, right?
Like specifically focused on the user.
So I really want to thank you both for, for, for being here and talking through it.
Thank you very much as well.
And I always mention this on our private calls, internal calls that actually
without great team on the, on the, without great core team or work would not be possible.
So that's why it's the result of collaboration.
That's why I think we're really happy to work together.
Yeah, absolutely.
Yeah, and I think this is a shout out to the Penumbra Labs team,
some of whom are kind of sitting in the waiting room,
but again, also from Radiant Commons,
it's a pleasure to work with you all
and be building this amazing private ecosystem
that's like aiming towards the user experience
being the most important part of it.
So yeah, I think beyond that,
Em, did you want to get back on stage
and we can kind of like wrap this out a little bit?
Yeah, I'm just, I'm still kind of reeling.
I feel like I'm blushing from all of that.
Like all of that love that we just caught.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Thank you so much for everything.
And we're so excited to keep this project going.
Here, I can remove you guys from the stage.
This was supposed to be you to kind of wrap us up.
Let's see, Sergei can go over. Mr. Thanks for coming. this was supposed to be you to kind of wrap us up.
Sergei can go where I missed still.
Thanks for coming.
Yeah.
So we've had a ton of exciting stuff being shared today.
So we had, we had GAR sharing updates and new testing for V2 of Prax wallet and
feedback mechanisms for that. We have new view for the
route book. We have Zekhub, who's in the Discord, offering bounties for education,
making stuff to share about Penumbra. And then we have the Block Explorer going live and
what is all this mean? So many things. many things yeah yeah yeah yeah it's really good
to see this stuff kind of like blooming uh around uh uh the penumbra ecosystem and i'm very excited
for like the near future i think uh we've mentioned a few times on community calls that there are some
other like more protocol oriented developments that are on the way as well.
So all of you who are out there in the audience,
please stay tuned.
There is going to be something in the next couple of months
that's very worth paying attention to.
And I see a lot of people commenting, we love privacy,
and privacy loves company, right?
So it's very great to have the Zekhub folks here.
We also in the Discord,
I wanna give a little shout out to the Nomada team
because like there are some core community members
who jumped into our Discord and established a channel
between Penumbra and Nomada,
which means there's like two privacy pools
that can interact with one another, huge deal. Very exciting. And there's going to be
more and more history just made so that privacy doesn't become something that we have to continue
fighting for in crypto, but rather something that just comes there as a given. And this kind of
factors into what it is that we are hoping to see in the ecosystem as kind of the direction
for Penumbra, which is really just being, it should be the most
user-oriented ecosystem.
And what that means is like privacy is a core quality of what it means to build product
experiences in crypto.
It should have always been that way.
And now it's actually possible.
And particularly with all the requirements of understanding all of the evolution of crypto up to this point, all the infrastructure that's been built around it, it's building an experience that is oriented around users and their ability to use all of the networks that exist throughout crypto.
So the eventual hopeful goal is that Penumbra becomes a place that people can start and end from.
It is your home.
It's a place that you can come back to and you feel safe holding your assets inside of. And that allows us to ensure't had any questions or anything, but we're in the Discord. You can
find us. We're not hard to find. But yeah, if anyone has any questions for right now or any
other reactions, seems like amazingly we're wrapped up.
Yeah, if you feel good,
I'm like, yeah, join the Discord. Discord.
Oh, Discord. Whoops.
That's a typo right there.
You can find
Discord's number zone.
Should it just be called, like, Disorg
instead?
Just kidding.
Oh, yeah.
Beautiful.
Well done.
There we go.
That's the better one.
Please join us in the Discord.
You can find us there.
And yeah, let's keep building.
This is very exciting.
Let's keep building, everyone.
We'll see you on the next one in a couple of weeks.
Yeah.
See you guys.
