Hi and welcome to perpetual good in the metaverse. Today I just wanted to do kind of a general conversation about kind of what I've been seeing in perpetual good. Some of the elements that I think are starting to come together as I
dug into this topic in this area, one of the great things that I've noticed and learned is that there are many other organizations and groups that have are thinking similar to what I was thinking that Web 3 technology as a whole, whether it's to play to earn, whether
the Ritz crypto and of T's metaverses, but they all kind of bring value to individuals that are thinking about social good, about impact, environmental impact, about supporting the nonprofit and mission-based organizations.
And it's really been kind of rewarding to be down, going down this journey, looking at things like endowment.org and what they're doing, every.org and what they're doing, same thing with the Giving Block, right? These are all software technology companies that have been supporting crypto donations and have moved into NFT
and supporting NFT work and making it easier for nonprofits to actually engage in the Web3 Crypto Space market. One of the things that I have found talking to nonprofits and talking to organizations and individuals is the idea of breaking
into the technology can be a barrier to accessing. But what we're finding is that obviously wherever there is need, innovation always kicks in and finds a way to support what's going on. In this situation, I named three different organizations companies that have
been using technology to support and to provide easy access and vehicles for bridging crypto donations and NFT donations with mission-based organizations non-profits by the one C3s. And that I think has really made a big
difference, part of what that difference has been is also how nonprofits are starting to think about crypto donors and web three space kind of donation vehicles and individuals that they can outreach to. Obviously the engagement model between fundraising and the traditional sense
and so a postcard or kind of a telephone or fundraising event, they're very different than in the crypto space and the crypto community. Being able to have the technology that allows you to do that without having to go and monitor and create your own wallets without having to kind
of jump through some of the regulation rules and so forth actually makes it very easy to be able to just engage the space. One of the areas where I think the nonprofits are still kind of hesitant is really in pushing
heavy into the community itself. I don't see many nonprofits that are engaging on this court that are engaging in communities where they individuals actually kind of exist. And so for example in the metaverse and play to earn there's a lot of individuals
individuals that are on Twitter, on Discord, on Reddit. And so how many, I don't see many nonprofits really making an effort, for example, to push into Discord. A good example that we've had on the show before was March of Dimes. And what they've done
But even better example was Oh Make a wish make a wish international. That's right and so make a wish international and what they were doing with I mean they have a very active Discord server. They're engaged. They provide gaming and
kind of elements to it. They obviously with Make-A-Wish and the connection to play and to granting wishes to children and so forth. It kind of fits right in with the gaming model and obviously there was some esports elements to it and so forth, but it leads well into also
so being able to connect with the crypto community. And so I think that identifying a way to engage the community and fundraising has always been very much about how do you grow a donor, right? How do you find them in the community? How do you reach them at that social cause kind of level?
And how do you engage them in your mission so that they become part of that mission and grow with you through your process? Right? Well, I think the same thing can be said for crypto communities. How do you engage that community? And unlike others where they come to you, I think that
One of the things that is very interesting is that the crypto community tend to be very engaged, but you have to go where they are. That's something that I've started to see with more nonprofits looking at how to engage the community overall. It's not just about putting a button on the website that's
has made the crypto donation. And that I think has been kind of rewarding to see over the past year or so more and more nonprofits starting to really dig into what does it mean to be Web 3 enabled? What does it mean to be kind of crypto altruism and so forth? So that's really been
kind of an interesting insight. And that's from just kind of from the software side starting with endowmentevery.org and so forth moving through to nonprofits that I've seen on Discord and engaging in other ways with organizations and from
From the nonprofits, one of the things that I've also started, some of the folks that we've had on the show and everything have also been then the creators and how the creators are finding ways to engage and what they look for and some of the challenges they have, there are many creators out there who want to try to do something
And nonprofits are always a little weary of NFT projects or crypto kind of driven fundraising because they don't know if it's a scam, they don't know if it's a pump and dump, they don't know who the individual is because many times it's through Discord or Twitter and it's kind of
almost an anonymous face and nonprofits have a reputation and a trust that they have to maintain to be viable. And so just jumping into a project with just anyone doesn't really work. And so we've heard from nonprofits that have
worked with projects like Kaboom working with the NFD pro socialites. You know, kind of what they were looking for and how they ended up engaging. And it's something, you know, when we talked to March of Dimes, when we talked to best friends, animal society, when we talked to
March of Dimes, you know, what is it that they look for? What is the kind of the due diligence? And as creators, understanding that due diligence, understanding that they need to have some sort of connection to the individual, to the person behind the project, not just the project itself, I think is very important.
And it may be different from what they're used to in terms of being creators, being individuals, but being able to connect at that level then actually provides something really great for long term kind of engagements. And the end, you know,
on this show obviously we'd like to talk about perpetual good and so finding ways that you as creators can create that relationship with the nonprofits, with the social impact organizations that you want to work with I think is part of being able to create that perpetual cycle of engagement and support.
Well, in terms of like tips that I can throw out there for individuals that have worked on projects that are engaging in perpetual good, find ways to make it easy for the nonprofit to engage in the smart contract.
if you know how to build the smart contracts or if you work with vendors or software companies that can help you establish that smart contract in a way that creates that little perpetual good, I think that's great. The other thing is know that they will want to
know who it is they're working with. There will be some due diligence. They will not just take on any project. One of the things that we did was we had a fundraiser for the Child Mine Institute and we did a whole big thing. We had creators involved
We had discord communities five different discord communities involved and so it was a big big kind of arrangement and we had made a decision to support the Child Mind Institute. They didn't know who we were. They didn't know anything about the metaverse. We were in, you know, it was all brand new. They were very skidding.
about, you know, Web 3 and about crypto donations. They didn't know what they were going to have to deal with. They had looked at crypto before and the lawyers were very skidish about regulation and compliance. And so it was a big deal for them, but then we worked through endowment to kind of create
transparency that really makes it very important. It gave transparency to the people who participated in the fundraiser. It gave transparency to the organization that was receiving the funds and it gave transparency to all the organizers because we had creators donating NFT
art. And so, you know, if you're a creator, if you're an artist, and you're donating your art, you want to know that it actually is being used for what you say it's going to be used for, and that it actually provides value to the nonprofit that is expecting that funding. So those
working with someone like endowment.org really helped us one kind of provide that transparency to use technology and blockchain to kind of create a custodial chain right so that people could see the funds moving from one place to another place the transfer of the NFTs the transfer of the funds to
the crypto-daffer donor advice fund movement into that and then a kind of a distribution from that to the nonprofit in USD. And so it was great because Child Mind Institute just received about $5,000.
didn't have to do much except, you know, claim their page on endowment.org. And that was about it. You know, there is some, you know, I think working with Endowment, there is a lot of options that they, you know, that nonprofits have. And I would definitely, you know, advise nonprofits to take advantage of working with
those with endowment and the staff there to get the most out of the engagement. And also just because you have one option or you have you we were brought in by one project like what we did with our fundraising. That doesn't mean that that's the only project that you might be there for. Once you're in there
and once you're connecting with the network and you're connecting with individuals on that site, you can actually find other organizations or other projects that will support your cause. Now, it just became a whole new funding source for the nonprofit, which I think is
really great. And that's part of what I really like about the concept of perpetual good in the metaverse is that the connections that are made, the engagement of individuals across metaverses across web-thring technology, it kind of
support each other and once one project is successful, others like to participate or others look for ways to support because it is a big community. So success breeds success. This is one of those situations where being in the right place, being engaged and understanding
the community can actually add a lot of value. So Nick, thanks for listening. If you have any questions or if you have any comments that you want to add to what you see with Web 3, just raise your hand and I'll be happy to bring you up on stage so that you can talk.
Today I was just kind of talking a little bit about some of the things that I've seen and learned from what has been done with Web 3 and so forth. And it's been a really great trip so far for me to be here and be part of learning more about this space.
Right on. Yeah, I really appreciate the perspective. I'm, you know, into web 3. I'm also I have my own nonprofit and definitely hoping to switch it. Switch it from its old purpose to its new purpose and kind of step into web 3. So, you know, I'm super interested in seeing
what nonprofits are doing in the space, I think the fundraising is certainly an awesome application of Web 3 for Social Good. I see that you work with Upland, which is really cool in what they're doing.
Very, you know, it's a really cool looking app and I just like the perspective Yeah, and actually the fundraising event that I was talking about earlier that was done in Upland or but actually it was done on the layer to associate it with Upland and neighborhood
projects that are in Upland. So there was like five different Discord servers and they were all kind of groupings of individuals that had a connection to Upland. Whether it was Creedmore, Creedmore, which is a neighborhood node server project or
or the board uplander club, which is another kind of grouping of individuals in upland. All of these individuals coming together and there's artists, there are creators, there are content generators. I mean, we had about 19 people across, well, no, more like 26 people.
across the five different discord servers supporting and adding to the value of this fundraiser we did. It was done in three and a half weeks. Right on. Yeah, and I liked what you said when I came on about how it is flipping the script where
most people would go to these organizations and access whatever services they've got through the organization, but it really is what you said about flipping the dynamic on its head. I do think that there is a lot of concessions that nonprofits are going to have to make
as they kind of step into the web 3 space because in many ways they have been the gatekeepers of advocacy and support systems and they've thrived in the vertical hierarchical way that we've had things set up in the past.
What you said about that, yeah, the organizations can have to come to the community, but also just that the communities, you know, as organizations embrace more of the Web 3 technologies, you know, I think I think you're going to see, you're going to see it go beyond, you know, just like
The fundraising is the low-hanging fruit. It's an easy way to incorporate Web 3 into existing models that nonprofits are already in place.
extra revenue source for them. But what I'm truly excited about with kind of Web 3 and the kind of social good nonprofit space is, you know, how we're going to not just kind of decentralize the fundraising processes, but really decentralize the ways that people can participate, the ways that people can step up, the ways
the people can, you know, it's so cool that people can just can step up from their computers these days. And with Web3, it's just making it easier and easier to be a part of something from wherever you are in the world or, you know, whatever you're doing during the day. I think it's definitely opening doors. Yeah, and I think you nailed it.
And last two weeks ago now, we had conversation around refying DSI and I found it really interesting. And you're right, fundraising is like the easy, fun raising and non-profits, fundraising professionals and non-profits understand
Well, here's how we're going to do some fundraising. Here's how it works. We're putting on another event. We have a digital asset. We're going to auction it. Like all of these are things that people understand in fundraising space, right? But when you start talking to them about ReFi and DSI and Dow's or kind of community
community engagement through validated identification or tokenomics or something like that. You know, then it's like, whoa, whoa, wait, whoa, wait. But you're right. As the technology advances, there's more and more individuals kind of create those killer apps that are based on
those concepts and then the nonprofits can actually just take advantage of the tools versus trying to figure out how to do it. We are definitely going to see an evolution of the technology beyond just fundraising into creating a web space engagement model.
And I think that's where the power of Web 3 really is is the engagement model you could create Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, I'm You know the way the way I'm looking to incorporate Web 3 into you know, I think the fundraising certainly is it's a really attractive way to boots trap new projects, but we have like the
ways that I'm looking into incorporating Web3 technologies, having community participation via a DAO, you're totally right. I think it's about getting people engaged. It's about new ways of enabling folks to make
a difference and new ways of engaging with people, meeting people where they are. It's a really exciting space. And I know when we talk about Web 3 in meta versus, you know, the idea here is that Web 3 goes beyond just
you know crypto and blockchain it's really as more to do with how individuals engage and a good example of that is everything that's happening with spatial IO with unity and the development that's happening around there with
kind of the partnerships that are being created with decentralized and upland and some others. I was, you know, when we were talking with best friends, animals, society, you know, they had done kind of a virtual space video that
they've hosted on YouTube, right? And it was just the traditional web to model where you create a video and you upload it to a distribution center kind of thing, right? YouTube in this case. And while we were talking, I'm like, wouldn't it be great because they had gotten a grant
to create a kind of one of a kind information center in Kansas, right? Now there's not a lot of people who are in Kansas or would be available and the information they have can support
centers around the country, around the world. But how do you actually create accessibility to that very unique center? How do you make it so that people can actually engage and participate that they can actually learn the way they would if they visited the center in Kansas? Well, what about if we created
spatial IO or a unity kind of twin. Unity has been doing a lot of work on twins, digital twins, and I'm like we could create a digital twin of this resource center that is being built where it would be kind of a
a replica of what is in real world, but in a virtual space and then that virtual space can actually be accessed through Oculus or anything like that anywhere around the world. And so people can go to a training course, people can go to the resource center and kind of try things out. And as
the technology evolves, you'll actually be able to kind of engage with the content in a physical manner almost. Some people are doing that sooner than others, but we know that the idea of physical engagement in a virtual space is not that long away.
And so I think that that's when all of a sudden you start thinking about possibilities, a small nonprofit in Provo, Utah, whatever it might be, now could actually have a world presence because of how engaging their content is for anyone around the world.
Yeah, and it's, you know, being in the Hedera community, we're pretty familiar with Spatial. We've got a bunch of creators creating those 3D digital collectibles and Spatial is a great way to take
start playing with those. But when you were talking about it reminded me of what South Korea is doing, with creating their city halls in the metaverse. And this whole concept of digital twins and creating that accessibility
in public spaces, I think that that's really exciting. And I think that, yeah, the ways that accessing public resources or filing a police report or any of those things, we can be engaging in more accessible ways.
Yeah, like through the metaverse through those digital twins. I think it's a I think it's an interesting concept You know, and I also I work in the public sector. I work in nonprofits. So You know, it's something that that I see on a daily basis just people Accessing these services, you know, being that
particularly if you're working in municipal government or really on the ground, contexts like engaging with the public is part of what you do every day. So I think it's really interesting the way that they're moving the work on those digital twins.
I agree. It really is. And I live in Orlando area and Orlando is really pushing hard to be the meta center of the metaverse and they have a digital twin technology at their office space where they actually
are using AR and some cool technology to provide content and information about Orlando as a city, as a economic kind of district and so forth.
And you can actually kind of dive into demographics and to data points and you don't have to go all over, you know, like you don't have to do a three hour tour driving around the city. You can actually just kind of sit through and walk through the neighborhood in that digital twin. And so it's really interesting to see
the evolution of what these digital twins can mean. I think that it does provide, you know, government is looking at it from a very big perspective, but it can provide other opportunities for something smaller, like a resource center, or being able to create a
mark, you know, if for example, if you have a museum, it's one thing to go to a website and see the images of the of what you have at that museum. It's another thing to put on innocuous and walk into the museum and walk the museum like you would if you were there.
I totally and I love this kind of I love that we're kind of getting into these two different different things because I think that there's real value in like digging into these two concepts because because yes, like those places where people want to go physically like yeah the way that the way the web 3 kids
and make it more visible and accessible to people, I think is really interesting. Now on the other side though, like the actual services, I think there are some ways that I think that Web 3 can really improve the services and where I think
I don't think there's much utility. I think there's a ton of utility if you were to put up a museum in the metaverse. You can go, you can see the exhibits, you can look at the art, you can have the experience of being there. I think that's one way where you're right.
get that just visiting a website. So I think that that's one of the changes, one of those real utility benefits of making the switch to web3 in that context. For services, I think that there's less utility if you're creating a metaverse experience where people can
put on their VR, Oculus, headset, and pretend to wait in the DMV line instead of waiting in the real DMV line. So in some ways, I think that there are some, I'm always looking for that utility in the switch.
making the switch to to metaverse 3d experience in those cultural facilities makes sense. You know, and the the web 3 utility for things like filing forms filing police reports, you know, I like for me the the real utility is in like the provenance and then the you know the traceability of those kinds of
forms. So that's kind of where I shift in terms of like government services in the metaverse. I'm like, well, I'd rather just submit my form and not wait on mine in the DMV. And that's one of the things I would say is that I use the term metaverse very, very loosely to represent all things that are web 3.
crypto, NFTs, metaverses, play to earn, and so forth. Right? And when we were talking about some of the utilization of the blockchain technology as a whole, an example that was given was in India, there was a town or a township or a district that
was dealing with corruption and so they decided to put all of the complaints and all of the information that was being provided about things on the blockchain available through a website for people to actually post and view and so it created a very high level of transparency
to being able to file police reports, to being able to file harassment charges and so forth, that can be seen, and because it was very public, and I think at one, it wasn't anonymous in the sense of like it was completely anonymous.
and therefore you could troll it, but it also did create this level of transparency that really kind of helped understand what the problem was or where the issue were and address it. And I think that's the kind of value proposition in terms of social impact that the blockchain can
also provide and it goes to your point about using the blockchain technology to create that providence, to create that custody chain, right? Where you know that the information is true as entered from beginning to end, right? That it was
It wasn't altered that it wasn't manipulated, that it wasn't hidden or swept under the rug kind of thing, that it is available and viable. And I think that that is going to make a big difference in terms of how information is going to be provided.
what's going to be interesting about it is that information is it doesn't care about the politics. It doesn't care about the greed factor or anything like that, right? Because all sides will be able to put up their information in a way that they feel
is true to who they are. And so from my perspective what I really like is the idea of being able to have viable information that is provided but not altered through different channels. Now that's going to have its own pros and cons obviously.
And I think it's going to be up to individuals to take on a more proactive role in engaging and understanding the source of truth. But once the source of truth is identified and locked on to the public chain, it is not modified and therefore can be trusted.
Yeah, yeah, and you know even if you know a good example of that and I love that you're bringing up the You know just the access to information like the information itself I think is is one of those real like You know we're talking about we're talking about all these you know concepts, but but when that when that information or
if that information becomes auditable, becomes available to the public, then we start reducing the information disparities. And then I think we can start building something better together. And even in municipal contexts where you have, or
or state context where you have sunshine laws and you have information act laws even at the federal level. You have these avenues for accessing this information but we still don't have that trust in the process because when we submit those requests we're trusting
that the clerk or whatever records custodian is at that level of government, we're trusting that that person is aligned with our interests and that they're not holding back information and even identifying information that's left out of one of those requests is almost impossible to dig
Well, yeah, and what's interesting. I mean, you know, I live in the United States and I think you do too. And you know, the idea of trusting the government in general exists, but there are other countries where individuals, the general population does not trust their government at all, right?
And so being able to provide other options, other venues, or being able to create opportunities for information to be provided in a safe, or not safe, but that you know that there's a custodial record of that information. I think we'll
So kind of help build relationships between the public and the government. Now in some cases that may not be what the government wants, but I think that this is actually a great opportunity for governments that really do want to help to be able to create some level of trust in
areas where it has been torn by civil war or whatever it might be and the trust is not there. And I think that that's really important to understand that this technology because of its universal nature, because of the fact that it can happen on some of the most populous devices in the world, which is cellular phones,
It gives access to so many more people than if you need a computer and modem and everything else kind of thing and I think that that's where there is a lot of potential and I think part of why countries outside of the United States have been so quick to adopt some of the blockchain Web 3 tech
Oh, absolutely. And a lot of those, you know, a lot of the, you know, I've been keeping up with a lot of different social technologies over the years. And you know, there, yeah, there's always that, you know, everywhere else, there is a lot less trust in government.
government. And they're probably pretty wise for it. You know, I think it in many ways, in many ways, I think what Web 3 is about the same kinds of principles and kind of inherent distrust in the centralized authorities that, you know,
I'm excited to see that kind of coming back and I'm excited to see where we go when we have that when we have additional I mean it's what we've been working toward for hundreds of years as a nation anyway, so I'm just excited to see how it accelerates with this new technology because it really does it makes it makes it more
Trustworthy, it makes it transparent, it makes it accessible, and I think that's definitely what we need. Need more of. And then social good meta-vers. Right. And part of the reason I started this host space was
because engaging and starting to work with metaverses, looking at blockchain, understanding the value proposition of NFTs. I started to realize that a lot of my family, a lot of my friends, you know, when I told them I was in a metaverse game where that I was
doing a fundraiser using crypto and NFTs, they all looked at me like I was crazy or they're like yeah sure or that it sounds you know aren't people going to be afraid that to scam or something like that and I realized that a lot of folks don't understand what the technology
technology is they only see how the tools have been used, right? And when you start looking at companies that just focused on crypto and overextended themselves and overlapped themselves, and then, you know, they were they used the technology for their own greed.
that yes, there's going to be some of that, but you know, you have to look at the technology and what it can do. Can it be used in the various ways? Yes. Can it be used to create, you know, to fuel someone's greed?
It has been done, right? But that doesn't mean that technology itself can't be used for greater purpose. And one of the things I really loved about the Web 3 community is they really do think that there is value there, that there is something that can be done to make the world a better place.
know, it is going to be interesting to see how the Web3 community really kind of pushes these, you know, the social impact agenda, the re-five movements, the crypto-alterism and all of these other things, right? You know, how the community
the communities push that from the bottom up. And so in nonprofit space, and I've been in nonprofit space since 1995, the idea of grassroots, right? Grassroots was a very big effort in fundraising and advocacy, right? And
When I started looking at the Web 3 community, I said, "Holy cow, this is grassroots efforts, but on another level." And so this is like an evolution of grassroots. And I think that that's going to have a major impact on what happens. And then when you look at generational
politics and generational engagement. You really actually start to kind of see how it's not just about individuals or one individual. It's about a way of thinking that is more holistic. Yeah. Yeah. I definitely
definitely hear that and you're totally right. Like I think that Web 3 is, it is the new grassroots. I mean, people haven't really discovered it yet. I think we're still pretty early as far as, you know, the, those, you know, where the roots begin, but the way that it empowers folks, I think
where we're going to see a big shift to that in the next the next five years the next 10 years. And I'm really excited to see how how it brings more people in you know how it gets more people involved. Grass roots is the most powerful way to get things done because you know you don't have a whole
lot of overhead, I think that that's pretty in line with the Web 3 ethos, minimal overhead, horizontal structures, direct engagement, direct participation, and even leaning on the community whenever and wherever possible. I think that that's the, you're totally right, that's the essence of grassroots.
feel like that's where the heart of Web 3 is. Yeah, and so I've had a lot of fun doing these perpetual good in the meta versus I've met a lot of really interesting folks. When I start hearing about some of the projects and some of the ideas that some some of some of the people I've talked to have going on and what they're doing,
It's like, wow. And so I do think that one, the technology is going to evolve faster than I think many people think. You know, when you look at email, right? Email, the idea of email and its creation,
goes back to the 1970s. I mean, you know, it's 40-something years old. Now, it's everywhere. Everyone has email addresses, multiple email addresses. It's one of the key elements to most of your social identities. It has now become just a standard part of our day-to-day lives, right?
It took 40 years, well maybe not 40 years, but close to 40 years for that to just be normalized into day-to-day society. Social media was a much faster kind of normalization of the technology
You know, when Facebook started and my space, you know, for all of those that are older, you know, the engagement models and now, you know, when I remember a couple of years back when I read that the fastest growing demographic in
on Facebook was like 45 to 65. It was like, wait, what? And you know, and when, you know, the, the kids quote unquote, we're like, oh no, Facebook is for the old people. It blew my mind kind of thing, right?
And now we have Web 3 and it was again led by a younger generation and more and more people are starting to find ways to engage but the younger generation I think is still the one that is driving a lot of the
engagement models, it's driving the ethos of crypto in terms of the community engagement and so forth. And so I think it's going to be maybe five years, maybe 10 years before Web 3 technology is just normalized part of our day-to-day life.
Yeah, oh yeah, I you know, and I agree I think we're seeing these shifts faster and faster over time, but um But yeah, I hear that and I'm I'm just looking forward to it Well, so Benny thank you for joining us if you have any questions
or anything. It's a general open conversation today. So you're invited to speak if you like. I will probably be closing it in a couple of minutes. If there's any last messages, I think my thought kind of going out.
And this overall is that one Web 3 technology, I think, is here to stay. I don't think it's a fat. I don't think it's something that's going to go away. Everyone always thought, hey, email is just a fat. Hey, FACS machine is just a FAD. Who wants to send a FACS?
things like that, right? Web 3 is not going away and I think that what's going to happen is that more and more people are going to start finding ways to make tools that facilitate engagement of the technology and then start to expand on its utilization beyond
the basic fundraising or the basic NFT or the basic crypto, and we're going to start seeing very much more complicated engagement models with multi-layered kind of value propositions like in the Re5 movement or the DSI movement.
Mostly the RE-FI movement. So that's kind of what my thought is at this point. Yeah, well, and I think that the kind of the D-SO work as well, I think that that's I would probably put
You know the kind of upland work in in kind of a diesel category as well And yeah, I think we're gonna, you know, I think we're gonna see a lot of movement in that direction and I'm I'm super interested in seeing like you know, I think that the upland model is is really
exciting, I think that there are ways that potentially that model could even be shifted slightly to facilitate a little bit more. As we see more Web3 technologies develop, I think Upland is kind of
on the precipice of some really exciting potential. Definitely best of luck with all of that. I'm excited to be part of Upland and to kind of have discovered some of its great
potential. I mean, from where Upland started as just a monopoly on blockchain, right? That's where it started. To now, it's actually trying to become more of a layer one platform for Web 3 content generator. And
You know, the idea of a Metacorp, the idea of being able to create a Metaverse Corporation that runs like a business because of the value propositions of crossing Metaverse and IRL brands.
The individual is going to be able to be a lot more entrepreneurial than any other time in history.
Definitely. Well, and is is upland a 501c? No. No, upland is a for-profit closed business. Well, they have anemokbrands is one of the
investors. Very familiar with Antimokia. Yeah, okay. So yeah, they were, they were a major investor in November of 2021. They came in and they made a big investment and they weren't the only ones, but they were one of the bigger investors.
And where upland was when it started to where it is today and the idea of a metaverse one of the value propositions for upland is that it is a metaverse map to the real world and so imagine being able to Have your museum
right? We were talking about museums earlier. Imagine being able to have your museum in a metaverse space that is your true address and let's say the moment in Manhattan, right? And then being able to go to that address from wherever you are in the world, right?
So let's say you're in San Francisco hanging out at your property and you fly to New York, right? You go to the MoMA and then you enter the MoMA through a layer two and that's where I was talking about layer one versus layer two. You enter the moment layer two of spatial IO or unity experience
or whatever it might be, and you walk the museum. And you know, for doing that, you pay a small, let's say, uh, up X is the currency they use in Upland. You pay a small up X fee, and the moment gets some of that, um, some of
that currency translated into a USD donation, for example, right? So now you've created this very real kind of impact in a perpetual space where you as the individual get to enjoy and participate and yet the museum gets to get value
you, not just sharing, you know, because part of its mission is to share, you know, the art to share the influences and, you know, what does it mean to have modern art and all that, right? Not only does it get to do that, but it also gets to build on its mission and create a
funding source that is now worldwide versus having to be in New York to go see it. So, you know, will the donation be as big as if you went in person and went and walked it physically? No, but your pool of customers has just grown dramatically.
And so those are the kinds of things that I'm very excited in that I'm helping facilitate between real worlds and other brands and stuff. Yeah, yeah, and I love it. I think that there is a
A real kind of synergy here, like the way that Web3 is making things more accessible, increasing the potential market for any organization to expand their reach, I think that there's definitely some utility there.
And I like, yeah, I just think that there's an opportunity as well to kind of for the nonprofit and for the kind of public good sector to kind of catch up a little bit to that work. And that's one of the things I'm excited about.
about trying to do. I have some ideas. I'm trying to work with Kaboom and upland to do something. I've talked to the National Park Trust about the idea of being able to map real world parks to metaverse parks and teaching. Why don't we talk about green space not just in the real world that
schools, but what about it if you talk about green spaces in a cyberspace kind of thing. And then talking about that kind of experience model, Upland itself is actually starting in four minutes. They have a partnership with Mangaria, Samba School
and Rio and today is carnival and so they are doing a descent of land, upland partnership kind of thing to bring you into the experience of
of Carnival in Rio through the Mangari, I can never say it right, but the Samba School that has partnered with Uplands, and as a matter of fact, when I get off here, I'm gonna go check it out.
Very cool. Yeah, you know, I'll keep keep an eye on those developments. I think it's super exciting to watch what what you guys are up to and I you know, you your team is really leading the way as far as paving the way for paving the way for this work. You know, I think I think you're doing a lot of good and you're paving a lot of paving a lot of the way for
for the rest of us. Thank you. And actually with that, I will kind of close it for today because I, as I said, I actually do want to get down there and see how this spatial IO, or I'm sorry, not spatial third, decentralized, how this decentralized partnership works out. And I want to
see how many people show up at the stand school. So everyone, have a great day. We will continue to do different conversations. If you have a project, if you have a nonprofit, if you're doing work that is connected to Web 3 technology, and it is focused on some
kind of social impact or doing good. Please let me know. I would love to talk to you about your project and then have you on the show to talk about it and highlight the work that you're doing. So with that, thank you everyone for your time and I look forward to more conversations like the one we had today. Thank you everyone.