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Yes, you're good now. Awesome, awesome. Great, yes, it's great, great to be here nice to meet you. Thanks for inviting me. No, thank you. It's great to have you here. I remember you were at bridge conference last year, right?
or no NYC NFT I think is where you yes that's yes okay it's always like where where was it I connected or heard of you yeah no you're right though there's so many or at least especially last year there's so many events in the
to keep track of where you were last week. Exactly. All right. So pretty much the way this is going to work is what I do is I go in and do a quick intro to the show. I will do a quick introduction to you.
and let you introduce yourself. That'll lead to you talking a little bit about some of the projects you worked on and how you ended up here talking about NFTs, cryptos, and nonprofit. And then we'll dig into some of the projects and some of the do's and don'ts and aha moments and so forth and then talk a little bit about what you got going on now.
Okay, great. Yeah, no, sounds great. Okay. And then normally what I do is I will have like the last 15 minutes, I will open it up to the public and
They can ask questions, comment on things that they might have heard during our conversation, and so forth. I always like to see, you know, give an opportunity. A lot of times people don't jump in, right? Like to listen. But every now and then we get some good questions.
Okay, yeah, no, that sounds perfect. Yeah, I was looking forward to this all week. Hey, data. I'll give you permissions towards the end so that we can just get going on to show itself. And with that,
We'll start off. Hi everyone, welcome to Petrol Good in the Metaverse. Today we're joined by Justin Meta. Petrol Good in the Metaverse is focused on the idea of bringing together
individuals, projects, and communities that are doing work through Web 3 NFTs, Play to Earn, Metaverse Crypto, anything like that. And so the Metaverse term is used very loosely to kind of define all Web 3 tech. And to speak about how that technology can act
be used for greater good and in many cases creating kind of a perpetual benefit to the communities and the projects that are being worked on. Today Justin Maider is joining us. He has a lot of experience working in crypto and with that actually what I'll do is I'll just
Justin if you can just tell us a little bit about who you are and where you come from and what you do. Wonderful well first of all thank you so much for having me on I think that this is going to be a really really fun show to do my name is Justin Maider I worked recently as the associate director for
cryptocurrency and Web 3 at the market of dimes. I am now a partner and head of nonprofit consulting for Monte Crypto, which is a Web 3 and Metaverse consulting firm. I've been in the FinTech or technology space for probably 10 to 12 years now. I started my early
career in management consulting. But I really found a love and a passion for technology and the way in which technology can really improve our lives and improve the lives of people around us and the world around us. And that's really where I found the sort of intersection.
between technology and nonprofit organizations where the use of technology, especially in organizations such as the Marks of Dimes, which is actually just celebrating its 85th birthday this year, where that intersection, even with the legacy nonprofit organizations, can really lead to some great partners.
some great inventions and some great innovations so that we can really further the reach of all of the things that these organizations can do with their resources. So that's really where recently I've worked with the March of Times and now I work with all nonprofits.
Yeah, no, and I think that the experience you bring and we'll definitely get into some of the projects you worked on at the March of Dives and sort of the, how do you get an 85-year-old organization to kind of say, you know what? We want to try this crypto thing. That sounds cool. I've worked with a lot of older organizations and
And they tend to have to go through boards for every decision. And there's always something that they have to review. And older organizations with lots of governance tend to be a little slower to adopt technology, to adopt new processes. So I am definitely interested in how you were able to convince an
organization that is kind of built the way you know, March of Dimes might be your other organizations that are older have more entrenched governance and so forth. How you might be able to show them the value proposition of Metaverse and Web 3 Tech, which is really why I started this
kind of Twitter spaces, you know, when Web 3 and crypto and everyone is getting such a bad rap from what you hear in the news, a lot of people lose sight of the technology and the value proposition of the technology. So I guess before we get into all of that, can you tell us a little bit about what you did at the March of
and maybe let's start talking about one how you convince the March of Dimes to bring you in or get you into that role and then sort of some of the things you did there. Yeah, yeah, great, great question. And before I begin, you hit the nail exactly on the head with a lot of these organizations who are traditional pen and
paper organizations and things like that. You really have to put on your product owner or product manager hat and really convince all these stakeholders to buy in and see the good that Web 3 can do for the organization and the people they support. Actually, that's a great place to start with the March of Dimes specifically, the first
level or first project that we worked on was really getting the payment rails and the infrastructure, the compliance and all the regulatory things settled so that we could accept cryptocurrency donations and we could accept support from NFT projects and people who wish to support our mission in the fight for the health of all moms and babies to be able
to do so if they chose to donate in crypto. And you're exactly right. Getting buy-in from various stakeholders within the organization, such as the finance department, such as the legal department. All of these stakeholders have legitimate concerns and they all have questions about things that you wish to do that are innovative.
really it's really about explaining and refining and condensing down the good that cryptocurrency NFTs, Web 3, all of these things can do for the organization and the people we support and then really explaining it to people in a way that they can understand so that they can not only understand why
were doing these things but then also buy into and see the value in what you're doing. So you're exactly right. That was the first step that we had to take. And once we had that taken care of and addressed, we could then move on to additional things. I think some of the projects that we worked on were really, really cool. We have research partners at many different universities
and research labs around the world. One of the things that we were in the process of wanting was a research DAO where our supporters and our donors who were really into DAO's could donate and support research and in turn receive a governance token within this DAO organization that would help them govern
specific research topics or assist researchers in getting their papers published in peer-reviewed academic journals and things of that nature. And so with that project specifically and obviously we can dive into details later, but with that specific project, you know, we were here designing a DAO, especially with research and especially with a
lot of these research institutions, you have to be careful about what the Dow itself is going to govern and obviously you don't want to see too much control over the entire research institution because they research a number of different things. So that was one of the projects that we worked on. In addition to we launched a mobile app that Allah
had a lot of web one and web two elements and creating D apps on top of that or air dropping NFTs at some of our fundraising events or creating a pull app system to where people who stood up at a lot of our fundraising events or some of our advocacy events could receive NFTs and we could utilize
and this is a great idea.
You mentioned legal compliance. I found sometimes, and I know you come from the technology side, but at the not profits a lot of times, especially if they have entrenched IT departments. I find that even though you're talking about bringing in new technology, IT departments might be hesitant to rock the boat kind of thing.
Were you able to, you know, was IT part of the challenge in being able to bring you technology or did it just happen that you were able to, you know, manage that? Yeah, no, that's a great point and a great question. And you're absolutely right. I think that especially when IT departments are
are very familiar with the tools, software packages, and text acts that they're accustomed to working with, introducing a new type of system or a new software package, whether it's front end, back end, et cetera. Obviously, that can really not necessarily cause problems, but be something that you have to work through
and make people understand or allow them to understand the good and what you're doing. And then you're right, from a technical standpoint, obviously when people become accustomed to doing things in a certain way, any type of change, you obviously want to sort of present how you're going to make their lives easier in a sense or make the
organization thrive in a way that it hadn't thrived before. So you're exactly right. Well, and to dig into that a little bit more because one of the things I do like to talk about a little bit is the technology and a lot of nonprofits. One of the first things that they get caught up on is this concept of, well, you know,
We now have to do crypto and there's all of this technology and I don't know how to do Bitcoin and this and that. They pulled back from the concept just because it's so alien to them. The technology adoption curve, they're way at the other right side of that
curve versus the left side of early adopters and so forth. Did you bring in partners to help facilitate their technology transition? Oh yes, yeah, definitely. Again, you hit the nail right on the head. We brought in and used the given block as our cryptocurrency
payment processor and things like that because for the exact reasons that you said, you know, obviously bringing in a partner that already has the infrastructure in place that has the compliance aspect, the regulatory aspect taken care of, that makes things a lot easier. And I think that that really is
not just with cryptocurrency but with technology in general. Really a question for a lot of organizations that they have to ask themselves when they're trying to do something new or innovative, which is do we try and create all this in-house? Do we partner with someone? And I think that you're exactly right. Having partners in this space allows the people
internally within the nonprofit organization or any organization really to feel a lot more comfortable in taking that step forward. Yeah, and you know, we've we've had endowment.org on here before we've talked about the given block and every dot org and there's a couple of others that you know, so
speakers have brought to our attention. I know the Better Business Bureau has an organization they started for crypto donations and crypto management like that. So it is good. You know, that is something that I try to, every time we have someone on, you know, it's kind of a common theme now.
that they don't try to do it on their own because there are so many nuances to it and it is involving compliance, because crypto itself is still an evolving compliance, and so I think that it's important for organizations and individuals to understand that you don't have to do it all yourself.
Yeah, and that's exactly right. And I think that that ironically helped promote what a lot of decentralization and Web 3 will eventually be about. And obviously, you know, over the last year or two, we've had this cleansing, so to speak.
of a lot of bad actors and things of that nature. But I really do think that being able to partner with good actors and being able to build things not necessarily the loudest, but doing things the right way, I think will allow this space to thrive. And I think nonprofit organizations are a great place to start with that because again, it's
It's not necessarily about making a million dollars overnight. It's about helping people around you and taking nonprofit organizations who already help people in their own communities and using them to showcase what the technology can do. You know, actually, I didn't think about that. And I know that there's a lot of commonality between the
NFT, Web 3 community and nonprofits. There's definitely a drive for a mission-based cost-based kind of social impact models. And so there's definitely an overlap and just a nice congreguity between the two communities. But thinking about it from just a
And one of the things I always talk about is that nonprofits should really have our end-to-departments, not in the traditional sense, but the idea of being able to experiment and try things in a way that is managed and controlled. And with crypto, because there isn't this need to bring in the million
dollars or to find ways to use the technology to create instant profit. Non-profits are a great kind of incubator for technology and technology ideas to kind of throw them into something else and take advantage and identify killer apps for the Web 3 tech. Yeah, and that's exactly right.
And I think that having a nonprofit perspective and looking at things, the lend of a nonprofit organization, you're exactly right, whether it's a DAO or a DEAP or a pull-up system, they're dropping NFTs, cryptocurrency itself, not necessarily having the pressure or the
the over-promising of making a billion dollars overnight and just being able to leverage a technology to do things that enhance what you already do to help the world around you. I think that that foundation allows nonprofits and really allows this space in general to come out in a much better place.
Yeah, I am a huge fan of the nonprofit space. I've been in the nonprofit space since 1995 and you know a lot of it has been working with technology and being early adopters to new technology and so forth. And I really do see a great opportunity for both the end
of T crypto web 3 community and the nonprofit community to kind of figure out how to use the technology in a positive manner because we've already seen a lot of how people are finding ways to use the technology to the detriment of the overall community, right? So before we dive in
know, I could probably sit here and talk about that topic for another 20, 30 minutes. But one of the things that you mentioned was about decentralization. And I made a note when you were talking about the research down. And I've had other people talking about the house. And I was at bridge conference when they had someone, American Cancer Society, I think, and they had one of their
lawyers and one of the questions was asked, should nonprofits have a doubt? Because the organizational structure of a doubt aligns kind of well with the community-based concept of grassroots efforts and so forth. And the lawyer was like, quick answer? No.
And so it was really interesting and part of the issue that they mentioned was not that it was a bad thing. It's just that because of its decentralized model, it can create legal concerns like, for example, who is the owner, who is the legal entity that represents the Dow and
So when I heard you talking about the research down some of the challenges that you had, I just kind of thought about this centralized hybrid and I had Joshua Halon who was an NFT metaverse crypto lawyer also and he had mentioned C-Dows I think is what he called them.
which seems counterintuitive, but when you look at the nonprofit sector, you have a governing board, you have different committees and organizations that kind of help govern a very public organization. So how, how,
How did you and the team kind of walk the line of a Dow that is by definition decentralized but needed to be kind of centralized because of the governance that needed to implement? Yeah, well, and what you were just discussing right there is the exact discussion
that we had hundreds of times over internally because that's exactly right because because of the nature the very nature of what a doubt is when you're talking I spent you when you talk about some of our research partners I think we're like Stanford University and some of these other research partners they don't want to see it all of their their research activities
activities to the whims of a DAO, you know, quote unquote. So that's sort of like the crux of the philosophical question behind should we allow DAO's to run research? And for us, really it was narrowing the scope of what the
doubt actually would govern. And then also being very careful in the way that we selected which research areas and topics were of interest to the people who would actually be donating tokens to receive their tokens or coins to receive their their governance tokens within the
And then also just in the general design of the Dow, obviously not having one party controlled more than a certain percentage of the voting power, things like that, not being able to own over a certain amount of governance tokens within Dow. So obviously there were safeguards like that in place, but I think you're right.
And this actually goes back to what we were talking about as technology itself evolves and as Dow's become seedows finding ways to be able to have these decentralized principles implemented but also have these guardrails in place so that things don't go off the cliff so to speak.
Yeah, no, I think it's a question that a lot of individuals and organizations are wrestling with. Obviously, when you're at an open public and you're just following a concept, you know, bringing people together and building a dow around the concept is a great idea.
have a structure in place and you're trying to empower your constituency to be more engaged, that is a different kind of, you're coming at the doubt from the other end, right? And so trying to work all of the logistics of that perspective, I think, is the challenge for not
profits and companies that might be looking at restructuring as a Dow or implementing Dow's for community engagement. Right. And that's exactly right. And that's really what is going back to basics for what we wish to accomplish as an entrepreneur.
that is really where foundation we can start to explore. And then I think just as we were talking about earlier with different parties and stakeholders and groups within the organization, once we have those things established, being able to convince those parties and stakeholders to take additional
risks after they see that those initial things worked. Just quick note Jason, we have a Q&A at the top at towards the end. So about 15 minutes before the end of the show, I will open up the stage to the public for Q&A. So right now,
Now we're just going to stay focused on the topic and talking to Justin, but definitely stick around and you'll be able to ask or make a comment. Thank you. So another point that you made when you were kind of introducing the projects you worked on was the idea of using Web 3 to
value to Web 2 or Web 1 technologies. Can you get into that a little bit? Because I actually really find that very interesting and I love the idea of being able to ease people into NFTs. As a matter of fact, I had this conversation with someone about
Oh, it was a gaming community and gamers are notorious for hating NFT games, right? And so the way it was introduced, it was introduced more as like a digital asset. They never used the term NFT and it was a success. Other projects were selling NFTs or
giving access to NFTs and they kind of got a lot of pushback from the gamer community. So how do you kind of help bridge the gap between Web2 and Web3 and how do you bring that value? What were some of the things you did? Well, I think that what we were talking
about is exactly what the sort of design has to be from, especially from the perspective of nonprofit organizations. And that is, for example, speaking about a mobile app or our redesigned website, which we launched last November, obviously you want to make things accessible for Web 1 and 2 users.
So for example, just because we accept cryptocurrency donations, our work with NFT projects doesn't mean we're going to take away the option for people to donate via PayPal or with their debit card or credit card or within a CH transfer. And obviously we still have people who are a little older and still send
in $20 bill or a personal check. And so we're not going to suddenly say no to those people. What we want to do is introduce them slowly to additional options. And I think really as we transition from web 1 to web 2, being able to integrate Facebook to a website or integrate
a module that had a Twitter feed into a website going back way back years ago was a way to introduce some of our older donors or people from previous generations to social media. And now as we create mobile apps that also have D apps in there or the option to connect
a meta-bask wallet and donate to the market dimes with cryptocurrency. Those small little introductions will help bridge the gap so that the technology doesn't feel overwhelming or too incumbersome. And so that way people can become accustomed to and comfortable with this new technology. Yeah, I know. And that makes
a lot of sense, I think that trying to force change down someone's throat never works, but letting them see the value or the ease of it is always a better proposition. Now, I want to ask you a question coming out from the other end, because one of the things that I've had many folks talk about is
You know, not just putting up a donate crypto, but actually being engaged in part of the crypto community and understanding the crypto community or the Web 3 community as you engage with them. What kind of challenges
opportunities that you run into at the March of Times trying to invite the Web 3 community into participating in or to support your projects. Yeah, that's a great question. And it really took behind the scenes many months to be able to comfortably come out publicly and say, "Listen, we
We embrace all of our crypto donors, all of our NFT projects that work with us because you're exactly right. Internally, we had to educate all of our staff members, especially staff members who didn't really know what crypto was or what NFTs are and things like that so that they could understand
What cryptocurrency is, what blockchain technology is, why we use the term Web 3 to describe this new iteration of the Internet and how we interact, and being able to understand that internally allowed us to then go out and speak to the Web 3 community, the crypto community, the NFT community.
So that we could say from a foundation of knowing and knowledge and understanding that this is how we are going to use all of these technologies, this array of technology to better the lives of the people that we support with our mission to advance the health of all moms and babies around the world.
That really helped because it allowed us to speak to people and not just pander to them from a better or not just sit there and pander for donations. I think that that really helped us. And really I think that at a tactical level, I know that my former supervisor and I, we went to NFT.nm I see we went together.
consensus we went to NFT Seattle and I had gone to a lot of those events in prior years and we're just getting to know people and talking about what crypto and web3 and NFT groups really wanted to see from nonprofits and what they wanted to see in the world also helped us to understand their needs and their wants and their desires as well.
Yeah, I think that's pretty good and I think a great way to kind of go about it. So as you engage in different projects, you kind of mentioned NFT creators and working, did you have NFT creators or
Organizations or projects out there that you worked with that kind of supported what March of times was doing Yeah, great question and actually it was perfect timing when I started with the March of times because I think about a week or two prior to me starting they they had received interest from an NFT project Goldmilkie
who wanted to work with us and really have an NFT fundraising event and not just an event, but Gil Milky, their creators are what we call a mission family because they had a child who was born premature and spent many weeks in the NICU. So both of
of them as parents wanted to support the March of Dines and they were also really big into using NFTs and leveraging that technology to do good in the world. So they actually came to us and really the first day that I started one of my first emails that was forward to me from the March of Dines internally,
We have these people designing this go milky NFT project. We're not really sure what to do with the NFTs, but since you're the new crypto guy, we're going to forward the email to them and we actually worked with them really closely for nine or ten months until their project minted and they've been nothing but fantastic. They've gone to
events because they're in Seattle. He, uh, yeah, the project owner, he actually works for Microsoft and they both live in Seattle, Washington and they've gone to our local fundraising events and talked about with Reed, go Milky and then their personal stories. And so I think that that really, really highlights the best of
of NFTs and Web3. Yeah, I always like to hear about the projects and the creators that work with these nonprofits and the stories and what I found is so often the ones that really resonate have a personal story like that, have a connection to what they're
doing and therefore, you know, they're authentic, right? And I think that that adds so much value to the project, to the outreach, to the engagement model. And so it's, I love to hear the stories, which is why I always ask. So,
You've moved on from March of Bimes and so we'll transition a little bit now to as you left the March of Dimes and you looked back on what you did and everything. Where are some of the challenges or aha moments that you were like, yeah, we do that differently.
Oh yeah, that's that's a wonderful question. I think that internally it's very important to have it really a way to communicate all of these things to all of the stakeholders inside the organization so that you can get alignment on a lot
of these issues a lot sooner. I think that one of the things that I would do differently if I had to start over again and do everything over again would be to have communications or sort of these one or two liners prepared for each of the potential topics that would come up with finance, with legal, with
IT with marketing so that the alignment and the sort of launch of a lot of these products and marketing campaigns and philanthropy strategies can start a lot sooner. And I think that now as you mentioned, transitioning into my work now, having that experience, I know what to expect working with.
nonprofits around the world because I've just gone through a lot of this stuff myself. So I think that that would be the biggest thing. Okay. Yeah, I think communication and being able to set expectations quickly is always a challenge and not easy to achieve, especially in an organization as
we talked about before where change and transition is not often the first, it's not there go to approach. That I think is definitely something that if you're going to be involved and you're going to be bringing change about, have your talking points. What is the value
proposition and more importantly not just the value proposition for the organization but I think like you were saying you mentioned the different departments what's the value proposition for those departments what's the ramification what's you know what's the ease of use what's the frictionless experience those kinds of elements where you can make it about their
success and helping them see the benefit of change. Yeah. I think that's exactly right. I think that being able to thinkly in a very distilled way convince everyone internally that what you're
doing will help in the long run is it's so critical. And I think not just with nonprofits, but I think any organization, company, business, et cetera, that wants to get into a lot of these technology is going to have those similar issues and being able to be a concise communicator that effectively
communicate what you're trying to do and the technology behind it and really what your needs are and what your strategic vision is. I think that that's critically important for anyone in this space. Completely. And so talking about moving on, so you moved on from March of Dimes to where?
Oh yeah, great question. I now work for it's Monty crypto consulting at it's led by Dustin Planthold. He's known as the count of Monty crypto. He works in Monaco. He's an editor for Forbes Monaco. He also has his own with re consulting for Monty crypto. He actually
works with and he was actually a volunteer with us with the March of Times for a number of months, but he actually works as a consultant based in Monaco and he's been actually working in cryptocurrency, Metaverse and NFT spaces for many years. He actually
Did a fundraiser in 2020 or 2021 for local Monaco Charities and they did a Forbes NFT Gala event where they actually got fnfts and they raised $300,000 for local Monaco Charities annually doing that NFT sales and he actually
She moderates panels in Dubai and he moderated a panel at Davos this week. And so what we're doing now is bringing all of the things that I did in the nonprofit sector, but instead of just doing it for one nonprofit organization, we're trying to connect all
all of the nonprofit communities together, but then also because Dustin's also a lobbyist in Washington DC, being able to use that to lobby Congress and other influential political figures to really support the technology itself and the adoption
of these technologies. Yeah and that sounds kind of fun. I mean you know being able to help people be more successful has always been kind of a thing that I enjoy doing and part I guess part of why I've always been attracted to the nonprofit sector because you know I feel
like mission-based organizations are out there to help the community, to help individuals, to help professionals, you know, do better, achieve more. And so I think, you know, it sounds like it's going to be a pretty exciting time. What are some of the things you're looking forward to in terms of your new
role or some of the technology or some of the trends that you're seeing that you think might be of interest to nonprofits and organizations in the near future. Yeah, I think that the biggest thing right now is, and you and I talked about this earlier, is that coming out of 2022.
having Web-Recryptocurrency, MetaVerses, NFTs in sort of the place that they are right now, being able to use my experience in nonprofits and my experience with the good of the Web-Street Community and combining that with Dustin's lobbying experience and
influence in the political sphere, being able to go to Washington, DC to go to Congress on behalf of all of these nonprofit organizations and really lobby and advocate for the technology itself and to be able to educate legislators and Congress people about how web
three can be used for good. I think that that's really exciting. I think that it's great to be able to influence or hopefully implement legislation and legislative issues within this sphere. And I think that that's really going to be fun. And it's not necessarily easy obviously working with
Congress is probably not the smoothest thing all these but hopefully it'll it'll leave an impact. Yeah, at this point I'm going to if there's anyone who's in the audience that wants to ask questions or anything like that now is
It's open stage now, so if you have questions just raise your hand. The folks that had a question actually are not here. Now I guess we might have answered them, but if anyone does have any questions or comments, please feel free to raise your hand and jump on the stage.
Something that kind of has been a curiosity and one of the things that I've noticed and you know you mentioned that
You know, the count is in Monte Carlo and you have yourself and individuals are all over the world.
I guess I'm trying to figure out how to frame this question because I think one of the things that I found very interesting about the Web 3 space is that it is a global community and there are a lot of countries that might
actually in some ways be beyond what the United States is doing in terms of how they're using the technology or what they're looking to do and pushing the envelope of how it's used versus the United States. How do you
How do you see the international market playing in the web 3 space and who do you see being the leader? What do you see being some of the challenges of an international marketplace that has governance all over the place?
Yeah, yeah, that's a great question. Well, I think that globally this is going to be great. I think that it's going to be great for Web 3. It's going to be great for the sort of ecosystems of a lot of these places. I think that, for example, just in Dubai alone, they're investing
billions into their metaverse initiatives and they're investing billions into this new technology. I think that El Salvador using Bitcoin as an official currency. I mean all of these things and the great thing about all these countries is that they're doing things in their own ways and not everything will work.
work out and some things might work better than other things and some ideas might not work as well as other ideas, but this trial and error process, especially as you alluded to on the global scale, will really help really forward the technology even if one single use case doesn't pan out. The fact that someone was able to try
an air to implement something like that or anything really will help in general advance the use of this technology. So I think that that's great. I think that all over the world people are doing different things in different aspects with whether it's Metaverse, augmented reality, standard reality, virtual reality, cryptocurrency, digital currency,
NFTs and not just NFTs necessarily as media such as artwork and music and videos, but NFTs has tokenized data. One of the things that we wanted to work on at the Marks of Dimes was creating a digital consumer library of information related to infant and maternal health and one of the things we discussed was tokenizing some of the information
information on the blockchain ledger and allowing people to non-usually access that information from parts of the world that might not have access to that type of information or whether for governmental, political or economic reasons that are unable to access traditional information on the internet. So there's all sorts of use cases for this
technology and I think that as you said when we talk about it from a global perspective the sky is really the limit. Yeah I see we have another Justin on and he and I talked last week about data and the use of blockchain to kind of democrat, I can't
and make it publicly available, right? Democrat. All right. Wow, I keep getting my tongue tied on that word. Anyway, making it publicly available to making it so that it's more accessible because it's on the blockchain, it's publicly available. I think that that is something that is going to be very interesting. I know that
from being an old data person, right? So I started in databases and databases and working through those things. I can see the value of being able to have non-fungible data, NFDs, right? And having that data that
is there, protected, and available for people to consume in firsthand versus kind of a distributed model where it has gone through editing, it's gone through reviews, it's gone through other error elements. But then what becomes trusted and what isn't, you know, and how do you kind of manage
What is a trusted source versus a non trusted source. Yeah, and actually when you mentioned, you know, NFDs, I think that that type of iteration and development in this type of technology is exactly the type of innovation that can occur as we're getting people to try and you think.
as we're getting people to experiment to launch new ideas. And that right there is so crucial in the development of not just web three technologies, but any type of technological or social or economic or political innovation. So I think that yeah, you're exactly right. That is really something to really hang your head on.
Well, I think that it's, you know, it's funny because blockchain goes so far back and I didn't get into blockchain until like 2020 and I know that there's a lot of folks that were in in 2012 and that was already like four years after blockchain was made available and so forth and you know, here
Here we are about 14 years since Bitcoin came out 14 or so years. We're just starting to hit the tip of the sphere in terms of what can be done with the technology and where it can go. Justin, I really want to thank you for coming on.
kind of talking a little bit about what you do with the March of Dimes and sort of what you see going on and what you're going to be doing. As you, as you know, we get already to close out the show, what are some of the things that you, you know, that you want to talk about or do you have anything going on right now that you want to promote?
Yeah, no, thank you so much for having me on it's been it's been a blast and I think that Shows like this and platforms like this and doing things like this really will help to highlight the good of the technology itself and the good of the people that are doing
doing things the right way and doing things with good intention. So that's props to you on that and thank you for having me. It's been great. And yeah, right now we're really just ramping up our sort of advocacy lobbying and nonprofit section here in our
our Monti crypto consulting firm. I think that in the future we will probably have our own gala's outside of Washington DC to hopefully influence a lot of our political insiders in in DC so that we can really just promote the technology and really
And the vast adoption of this technology, so hopefully it's no one in Washington does anything to hamper that. So that's really what we're all about right now. So hopefully we can continue to promote that so that the
people out there around the world can just experiment and try new things and create all these pivots and iterations within the technological development of all these technologies in themselves. So that's really what I'm excited for. Okay, and to close it out, I'm going to
Throw up a softball for you Because this was one that I do ask all of the folks that have come on that have worked with partners What do you look for in a good partner considering that you may now be one of those good partners? Yeah, no, I mean that's an excellent question. I think that
But you really have to get to know the people that you are partnering with. And I know that that sounds like such a cop out answer. But really when you look for people and what they're doing, you just have to do your research and talk to them and look at what they're about and decide is this the type
person that is going to really be in it to create good things. The partner with me or my organization to create good in the world to do things more efficiently, to consult with me, to be there, to assist me through solving business problems and
in the private sector or solving public health issues or some public policy issues or public administration issues. And I think that that really at the heart of everything is really what networking and partnering is all about not just in the web briefcase but just in general. So just being able to
to know who you're working with and being able to discern on your own using your own little internal measuring stick, what people are about. Thank you. No, I need your kind of thing, right? Yeah, exactly.
Well, Justin has been a great pleasure having you on the show and I actually look forward to kind of speaking with you again in maybe a couple of months and seeing how things have progressed with you and the Monte Crypto Consulting Group. Yeah, no, no great, great. And once again, thank you.
Thank you so much for having me on. It's been great talking to you. And again, I think that having shows like this and platforms like this exactly what the space needs. So thank you. Thank you. If there are no questions, then we will close for today. I want to thank everyone.
for participating. If you know of any projects, individuals or organizations that are combining the Power Web 3 tech to do social good or move a mission forward, please have them contact me. I would love to speak to them and learn more about the project
they're working on and get them on the show to talk a little bit about what they are doing and promote the good work they do. With that, look forward to talking to you again next week. Remember, perpetual good in the metaverse is on Tuesdays at 5 p.m. Eastern, here on Twitter Space. Thank you everyone. Have a great day.