Phase 2 cometh - Kadena Hashing x Kadena Ecosystem AMA

Recorded: June 2, 2023 Duration: 0:58:40

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welcome back everybody
usual thing give it a couple minutes for everyone to roll on in make sure you share the space out so we can get some more people in here
We'll be starting very shortly catching up with our good friends over at Kadena hashing
So like I said just a few more minutes here, and we'll get rolling
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So we'll just give us another minute or so
Make sure everyone that's listening, make sure you share the space out
Get some more people in here
And we'll be starting in just a minute here or so
I think tomorrow I have to spend some time and get my air conditioner put into my office here
Because, man, summer has hit us here in Canada
I'm sure you guys being down in Texas there, Kadena hashing that
I'm kind of preaching to the choir here, I guess
That's hilarious
That is hilarious
What's the temperature in Canada right now?
Well, we're hovering around 33 degrees Celsius, which is about 91 Fahrenheit
Well, that's not so bad
It's actually that warm in Canada, eh?
Yeah, it gets up there
And plus, you guys are a much drier heat, right?
You don't have as much moisture
We're like 90%
90% moisture
You sweat just sitting on
The worst is sitting on the toilet and sweating
Just sitting there
Yeah, the dry heat is over in Las Vegas
Here in Texas, it is pretty humid
Anywhere in the southern states, Texas, Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia
They're all right
You know, there's that Gulf of Mexico moisture that gets in the air
So, yeah, I know exactly what you mean
Where are you in the southern part of Canada?
Like, are you just over the border there?
I'm in Ontario, right near Ottawa
Okay, so like northern New York, Pennsylvania type area
Oh, I got you
Okay, yeah
Cool, cool, cool, cool
That's funny
Well, I was prepared to make fun of you, but 92 is pretty good
We get days where it probably breaks the 100 Fahrenheit for sure
Let's see what's 37
Yeah, I've seen 40 with the humidity here
So, yeah, we break the 100 once in a while
And I'm sure this summer we'll be seeing that
It's getting pretty, every summer right now
It kind of seems to get hotter and hotter each year
Have you ever been to Vegas?
Well, if you ever get a chance to go
You would probably want to avoid the summer months
You know, this night
We say it's like the gates of hell here in Texas in July and August
But, you know, even though it's a dryer heat in Vegas
It is so incredibly hot
It's really extremely difficult to walk outside for any length of time
And I don't care if it's day or night
Because there's so much asphalt
It soaks up the sun in concrete, right?
There's like no ground
So it like just soaks up the sun all day long
And then you're walking around at 11, 12 o'clock midnight
And it's still 105 degrees
And the heat's just coming up out of the...
I mean, it's just incredible, it's hard to describe
It's not so much a sweating heat
More like a feel like your body's burning kind of heat
Like you're walking in an oven, literally
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So let's get into today and catch up with Kadena Hashing
So welcome everybody to another AMA with Kadena Ecosystem
Today we are back with us, Kadena Hashing
And we're catching up with them to see what they've been up to
And what they're gonna be up to in the future
So welcome back
Why don't we just start with the usual kind of going over
What Kadena Hashing's all about
Just in case this is the first time listeners
That have never heard about Kadena Hashing before
And we'll just go from there, so take it away
Sure, thanks for having me again buddy
I love what you're doing for the ecosystem
And I just wanted to start out by saying
Koala wallet, koala wallet
That's just a fun thing to say, isn't it?
You were saying
It rolls off the tongue
Yeah, it just rolls off the tongue, doesn't it?
Koala wallet
Yeah, you guys are great
I love the new KDA Explorer
Big refresh and upgrade
I use it all the time
And koala wallet's great as well
So check those things out guys if you haven't done so already
But yeah, Kadena Hashing
My name is Michael
I'm the founder of Kadena Hashing
We created our Discord a year ago today
I think it is
But we hadn't launched yet
But anyways, coming up on it
And we closed our mints
So we're no longer minting
We did pretty well for ourselves
Basically, we're an NFT mining project
On the Kadena blockchain
Our NFTs are hosted on the Kadena blockchain
And we went at mining NFTs
In a bit of a different fashion
Than some of the other groups have done
So instead of purchasing like a hash rate
Or anything like that
We went at it to tie our NFTs to a reward pool
That basically would reward our members
For as long as we're mining and making money
So would they
So it was an offer in perpetuity
And we did really well for ourselves
We sold just over $1.3 million worth of NFTs
We put all that money to good use
We are now operating with 84 KA3s
And we've just recently purchased
I think we've got about 22 L7s
And we are a Kadena focused project
But the reason we purchased the L7s
Was because the KA3s were few and far between
On the market
They were vastly overpriced
And it's against my ethos
To pay $8,000 for a machine
That earns $10 a day
So we decided to put some money in L7s
And use that money to pay now on our expenses
That way we would have more Kadena to distribute
So the idea is to build up the L7s
Up to a point where we can completely pay
For our expenses each and every month
And then we'll have 100% of the KDA that we mine
Able to be distributed
But although our mint is over
We're not done
We have another project in the works right now
As an ode to Kadena hashing
We're calling this Terra hashing
And it will also be mining Kadena
But it will have a new element
It will be also mining Bitcoin
And the way that this project will work
Is that its primary product is called Terra Slice
And you can purchase one NFT at a time
And each NFT represents one tera hash
Of the miner of your choice
So if it's an S19 for Bitcoin, for example
That's what it will represent
If it's a KA3, it'll be one tera hash out of that KA3
And some of the value adds that we've done
Is we give at least a one year warranty
Where the manufacturer only warranties for six months
So if anything happens to the unit backing the Terra Slice products
We'll replace it free of charge
And we're also creating our own marketplace
Where you can trade these NFTs
You can sell them
You can set the price
And then you also get access to our fantastic electric rate
We pay six cents per kilowatt hour
And we'll charge a bit of a premium on that
But you'll still be way better than you can get
At any residential rate
It'll be sub ten cents
So there's no need to go out and purchase a miner
Set up airflow, set up electricity
Take your chances with suppliers that can scam you
And then pay an outrageous electric bill
You can just buy one tera hash at a time
And take advantage of our fantastic electric rate
And we will be hosting the units in our own facility
There won't be any third party hosting or anything like that
So that's kind of what we're...
That sounds very interesting
Definitely taking it in a new kind of way forward
That's for sure
Yeah, sorry about that
The phone was ringing and I didn't hear a lot of what you said
But yeah, the way we're looking at it, Chris, is...
You know, listen, mining is a risky business
And anybody that tells you otherwise
Just hasn't been around long enough to know
You know, the ins and outs of this industry
It's cutthroat
And, you know, we can't...
The way that we looked at it at Cadena hashing
Is we wanted to hedge our bets
And that a way to reduce risk
Is to not be buying the miners yourself
And to have other people buy the miners
If they want to participate
So, you know, as each...
As we purchase each miner
We'll base that collection of NFTs
So, for example, if a KA3 has...
It'll have 166 in the collection
Because there's 166 tera hash
We don't keep any of it for ourselves
You get the full...
The full bang of, you know, your purchasing power
And then...
And then...
What we do is then we'll host it, right?
And then we get ongoing revenue from that
And there's also a profit margin on selling the...
The Tera slice product, each one of those
And then, you know, we can create
A separate revenue stream
Whereas we're not purchasing crypto miners ourselves
We're taking advantage of the hosting...
Of the facility that we have
To its fullest extent
And that way we've got, you know, the mining side
Where we're all in
We're fully invested in that
We're going to continue to grow that operation
But on the other hand, we're going to continue
To expand out our operations using the cash load
From this other business
So that way we don't have to take anything
Out of the mining and we can pay NFT owners
You know, as much as humanly possible
So that's kind of the idea
Awesome. Speaking of the infrastructure
And hosting and stuff
You guys must be getting kind of full up
On your infrastructure of your building
And everything. Have there been much
Improvements or additions or anything
From the last time we spoke
And the sneak peeks
I remember the last time I saw you guys
Were putting those big huge fans into the wall
To help with airflow and everything
How has the actual
Mining facility infrastructure been going?
It's been going really great
I'm glad you asked that
We've actually got some additional fans
On order now that we're coming into summertime
We've got one more round of fans
To put in the building for the left side
And that's what we've been focusing on
It has two sides, a left and a right
And the left side is being completely
Dedicated to all the Kadena hashings
Mining and growing and things like that
And the right side, if need be
But we've got about
Although we have two and a half megawatts
Worth of power
That building will only house about a megawatt
About one megawatt worth of miners
So what we're going to do is use the cash flow
From the terror hashing
Revenue from the terror hashing side
Of the business
And build out that right side piece by piece
As needed
And then of course
All of this will be on us
To buy and build out
But in addition
I'm already looking
For some property for us
I have spotted a piece of land
We're actually waiting on encore
To come out
And which is the electric grid company
To come out and tell us exactly
How much power is available there
It's not too far at all
From the current place we're in
So it's still going to be ran by wind
Which is great
When we checked out the property
It had some high tension power lines nearby
Which is always good news
That means hopefully they can run power
To the place pretty easily
It's in the county which is good
There's less restrictions
You don't have to worry about zones
You can build a dwelling on there
For example if you want to
There's a lot less restrictions
We like everything about the property
And it's fairly cheap
Because it's just out in the middle of nowhere
And that's kind of the beauty of mining
We're able to go into these rural areas
Seek out pieces of property
That no one would want otherwise
And build out infrastructure
And bring some revitalization
To the local area
Through 1099 jobs
And eventually W2 jobs
We can add
And that's why Texas
Is rural areas have been
Doing so much better
Since it's really becoming the
Bitcoin capital of the world
Or the mining capital of the world
So yeah we've got lots of plans
We've kind of focused
In a couple of different directions
But we want to stay in Texas
And we want to stay in the United States
As long as possible
Luckily the D.A.M.E tax
That they were proposing
The 30 cent electric excise tax
Has been tabled for now
That's no longer on the table
And there was also another bill
Going through the Texas
Legislature that died in the house
That was going to limit our participation
In the demand response program
Which is another revenue source for us
So yeah we love being in the United States
And in Texas in particular
It's very business friendly
So our expansion plans are here for sure
But we do have our eyes on other things
Such as Paraguay
As a fall over kind of a backup plan
In case the government ever decided to crack down
Or put a 30% tax on us
Or something that just wouldn't be viable
To compete with that
So yeah we're kind of ready for any eventuality
Yeah it's always good to have a backup plan
Because you never know what's going to happen
Especially with next year being a presidential election year
You guys could see a big swing down there
When it comes to legislative things
From both a state level
And a full federal level
I know a couple of the candidates
Like Robert Kennedy Jr. there
He seems to be very pro-crypto
And things like that
So you never know what could happen
And what the future hasn't hold
And it all really just comes down to
What really happens during those next big elections
But you know he seems to be like
Like you said Texas I have noticed
Is a very business oriented state
And it also has become a lot more crypto-friendly state
Especially when it comes to mining
And electricity costs and things like that
So you know but like you said
It's always good to have that backup plan
Sounds like Paraguay might be a bit
It might be a little bit
If that does happen would you be actually
Moving your entire facilities
Or would you still be having the Texas place
And having this as your secondary one
Yeah you know it's hard to tell the future Chris
But you know let's pretend like
They put a 30% tax on us
You know it would be interesting
To see what Texas would do
In response to that
For example
Legislatures
Because mining has become such a big deal in Texas
And we are revitalizing so many small rural areas
And also helping build out renewable infrastructure
It's been a big deal here
And it's a big economic boost
So I would be super interested to see
What the Texas legislature would do to fight that
You know if it's a federal tax
There's nothing they can't not allow it
But I would be interested to see
If they would come out with something like credits
Or something to offset
So you never really know at the end of the day
How it would shake out
But let's just pretend like the federal tax comes out
And it's a 30% XX tax
Immediately increases your overhead by 30% overnight
You're having to charge the customers 30% more
You're making 30% less
It's just awful
So we would probably look to be moving our operations
With relative speed
Of course depending on if it was a bear market
Or bull market or whatever
We may still be operating there
And continue to operate profitably for some time
But yeah we would know
We would want to switch gears immediately
And try to go to somewhere where we're welcomed
And that's kind of the beauty of this
We're not going to build out any permanent infrastructure
Like buildings or anything like that
What we're looking at is these mining pods
That are mobile
I mean listen
At the end of the day
Even if you could get 50% of your money back
From these mining pods
Just from the scrap in them
If there wasn't a single miner in it
So it's not like it's a huge loss
If you had to offload them
Or to scrap them
Or anything like that
You could get some money back to move out
I mean you just got to be nimble in this business
And you have to be ready to move on a dime
And react
And also plan for any eventuality
I mean for example
There's another thing that would keep us in Texas
And that's solar
If we're not using any grid power
Then if you're cost
30% tax on zero is still zero
So that's something that I'm also looking at
Is launching these
What I would call satellite sites
And that's where you don't put
A ton of miners on the place
But you have enough property to run
1 to 3 megawatts worth of solar
In order to bring your operational costs
Down to relatively nothing other than employees
And taxes and whatnot
So that's another
That's another thing that we're very much researching
I mean it is costly to do solar
But I've worked out that you can
You can ROI your money pretty quickly
Because you bring down your costs so dramatically
That you get your money back
Relatively quickly
It's not like putting solar on your house
Where it takes you 8 years or something
To get your money back
With charging
You know, I tell you what
Sites in the United States
If they come out with a tax like that
Sites in the United States are going to be hard to come by
And people love the United States
Because of the security it offers
So sites like ours, if it were ran by electricity
Would be full to the brim 100% of the time
There would be people just waiting
To get in line for us to host their miners
So, you know
We just have to
You just have to take this thing day by day
Week by week
I follow pretty much every politician
That I know on the matter
I'm part of many groups
I'm actually going to be joining
The Texas Blockchain Council
Here pretty soon
And I'm going to start attending those meetings
So you've got to be part of politics
You've got to be part of the lobbying effort
To keep this thing friendly for all of us
Because it is such a boon
To the rural communities
And to Texas as a whole
And we love crypto
So you've got to fight for it
Definitely got to keep up with things
Because things can move fairly quickly sometimes
But usually when it comes to the government
Not that quick
They're not always the quickest to act
Usually they're reactionary
As opposed to actionary
It's just a matter of keeping up with it
But also doing your part
And being vocal to make sure that
The voices of the people
Actually using the infrastructure are heard
And that they get a say in matters
Because like you said
If a huge tax increase or something like that happens
You're just going to see
People leaving
Be it Texas or the United States
All together
Which is overall not good for
The entire system down there as a whole
So definitely something
That has to be well thought out
And well planned
And something that needs to be
Definitely looked at for the pros and the cons
Before any drastic decisions are made
Now you mentioned earlier
That your NFTs for Kadena Hashing
Have now closed
So if anyone wants to get
Into Kadena Hashing
It's too late to get in on minting their own
But are there any plans
On having Kadena Hashing NFTs
Added to any marketplaces
Now that we have a couple new ones
Coming on board
And some really good existing ones as well
Have you been in any discussions
With them to possibly have Kadena
Hashing NFTs
So if someone wanted to
Has a whole bunch of Hashing NFTs
And wanted to sell a couple
For like they need liquidity for something
Because their government raised their taxes 30%
And they need to pay off their taxes
Is that something
That is being worked on?
Oh for sure, yeah, yeah
It's all in the plan
We have planned to allow
The NFTs to be
Resold and purchased on the secondary
Market as soon as we close the mint
But we're very much a community
Ran project
I always ask for everyone's opinion
And we have votes all the time
And I like to get
I like to do what most people want to do
And a lot of our people are very
Long-term focused
Minded people
And the thing about
The thing about
The thing about the
Marmalade Standard for example is
Right now what we have
We have NFTs per se
But really what they are is
More like place holders
We still have the ability within the database
To help someone if like
For example they lose their keys
Like we can help them move their NFT
Or things like that
Once you move to Marmalade Standard that's it
You can't do that sort of thing anymore
So I give everyone the option
To, we can go ahead and switch
The Marmalade Standard
Allow secondary sales
But when Ledger came out for example
If you transferred
Your NFT from your
Koala wallet for example
Over to Ledger
Then by programming you lose
The kicker benefit
There's just no way around it
We've tried to explore ways
Around that
Not happening but the programming doesn't know
Any difference between transfer
And a sale
A move is a move
So in order to
Try to protect that benefit for
The majority of our users we gave
Them the option to just not
List on the secondary market until
Such time that KDA was
Compatible with Ledger
Or Trezor or whatever
We had news at the time
And Kadena had came out and said
That they were kind of in the last stages
They needed to get an audit done
And I assumed
From what I was hearing
That there was probably going to be
About a three month period
And then if it wasn't launched
In three months we would all circle back
And we'd have another vote and you know
If the majority of people are just kind of
Itching to get on the market then that's fine
But most people most of our guys want to
Want to hold so the idea here is
To basically once Ledger
Is compatible
With KDA the people that
Want to hold we can we can help
Them move those NFTs
Over to their secure cold wallet
Once that process is over
We'll switch over to the Marmalade
Standard and launch with one of the
With one of you know we
Had been in talks with
Hypercent but I do see
Some new ones coming on that we would want to
Start some discussions with to kind of see
Which one we think would benefit
Our members the most
And yeah so there will
Be an opportunity for sure
In the future we just don't know
If it's in the next couple of months or if it's
Going to be you know further down the line
But yes the plan is to allow
People to trade and offload if
They like
Now you mentioned community and
Voting and stuff like that
Has there been any thoughts of building
An actual DAO and
Because I know that Swarms Finance is
Very close to finally getting out of
A beta form and going live with
Their platform
Any discussions maybe of possibly
Setting up a DAO through them
So that you know you can take the
Voting from just a regular
Like Discord kind of voting system
To a more decentralized
On the chain kind of DAO voting
And I'll tell you why Chris
You know mining is
You know most of the people
Joined Kadena Hashing
Because they
Believed in our ability to
Kind of steer the ship
In the direction that we thought was best
Because mining is a very complicated game
You have to be in it for quite some time
In order to
Know the ins and outs and you know
I've got all the plug ins in the industry
And everything so
So in order to just kind of turn
The platform over completely
To people like for example
We just came out with a vote and I
Very clearly explained the benefits
And you know of doing this
So with KDA so depressed
We're selling most of our KDA
Each month to pay for
Electricity price I mean for every
You know each KDA is
Only selling for 74 cents
It's killing us so
I came up with a way to get
Out of this the problem is we're
Going to have to sacrifice a few months
But it's already
Going so very well for us
And you know
I had to explain to everyone that
If we can just withhold payouts
For three months for example
And then use all of those
Funds after expenses to purchase
More miners whether that be KA3s
Or L7s to help pay expenses
What have you
But then that's what we should
Do and it was overwhelmingly
Approved like by 94%
You know I always know we can't
Please everyone in these sorts of
Decisions but this game is
So fast Chris you have to be
Able to turn on a dime sometimes
Sometimes I have to make executive decisions
And it's just not
It's just not a
Dow type system
Because if you have people
Talking about it and
I mean you can miss a
Deal sometimes I get a message
And the miners are gone within 30 minutes
You have to make it move really really fast
And I stay glued to my
Phone and on the computer
To all my suppliers and everybody else in the industry
So yeah there's no plans right now to move
To a Dow type structure
Now you mentioned
The fact of offsetting your costs
And this kind of goes back to what you were saying earlier
About your next
Phase of Kadena Hashing
Which is the Terra Hashing
Can you maybe just kind of rehash that
And one thing I also read about that is that
It's also going to have obviously
Another collection of NFTs
But from what I've seen these
NFTs are going to be minted on polygon
Now was there any
What was the decision behind choosing polygon
To mint the NFTs as opposed to doing
Say another collection
On Kadena
Yeah I mean we do want to
Offer them on Kadena as well
But the decision was made
To go with an EVM chain
For the benefit
Of the crowd
So there's just a lot more people
Over on that chain right now
And the development
Options are such that
We just felt it was a better
Decision to go over there
And plus it's cheap
So we weren't going to do it on Ethereum
Or anything like that
I honestly don't like the idea of going over there
But I have to make the best decision
Based on the available information
That I can for
The success
Of the business
And there's
Some other
Projects that are doing something
Kind of similar to what we've got
The first marketplace that will allow
You to actually
Instantly trade
So yeah the decision to go with polygon
Was a tough one for me personally
I love Kadena and everything about it
But we're still going to be supporting Kadena
In that we're going to be offering Kadena Mining
We'll keep our options open
And we'll explore
I'll open it up on the Kadena chain as well
But yeah the basics are
There'll be
An NFT collection
For a Bitcoin miner
And there'll be an NFT collection
For a KDA miner
And once that collection is gone
The collection number
Equals the amount of
Terror hash that that particular miner
Has so for example if it's
An S19 it'll be 110 NFTs
In the collection if it's
KA3 it'll be 166
In the collection and when that's gone
Then the price is
Then set for the next collection
And the price is based
On its dynamic it's based on
What we buy the miner for so
For an example in
The bull run when miners cost
A lot more the price of the NFT has to go
Up in down times
The miner comes down so we'll
Adjust the price of the
Terror slice product down
So it'll be market based
And then the beauty is
It allows anybody that wants to
Participate in mining to do so
To take advantage of a sub 10 cent
Electric rate to go
With someone that is
Established and known in
The world of crypto Twitter that
Has done everything that we said we're going to do
To the 10
And that we have secure facilities
We take care of our
We take care of our own so it's
A little bit different but there's going to be
Some interesting strategies deployed on this
I can see already that people
Are wanting to load up on their
On their NFTs now
And maybe buy 10
Out of one collection and wait until the next
Miner comes and 10 out of another collection
It's a way to kind of diversify your risks
So if one miner goes down
You're still mining and then
You can load up on these NFTs and
Come to bull market when those
NFTs are producing more
You can turn right around and sell them on our
Marketplace for what you paid for them
Or more and you'll load just mine
For a while for free
So it's going to be very interesting to see
To see the strategies
That are employed on it
But we're very very excited about it
No I totally understand the whole thing of using
The polygon network because it's also going to
Bring the benefit of the fact that you're
Going to have people who are going to see
Oh like see in the whole polygon
Community that you know
Oh here's another NFT coming up
It's tied to this mining thing
Oh and they mined Kadena
What's Kadena? Maybe I'll look into that a little more
So really it's just going to kind of bridge
Another community over to Kadena
At the same time because you know
They're going to be looking into what it's
All about and what they can do with these NFTs
That's going to just lead them down
The rabbit hole because I'm pretty sure
Most people know what Bitcoin and Bitcoin
Mining is but I'm sure a lot of people
Like I know when I've gone to conferences
And stuff you know the majority of people
I've talked to they've all heard about
Polygon and they've all heard of Ethereum
And Bitcoin but very few people have actually
Heard of Kadena seems to be
You know kind of going still kind of
Under the radar type coin especially
When it comes maybe not so much
For mining because it seems like
With the huge increases in hash rate
And stuff we've seen over the past
You know four to six months
It's obvious that the miners are starting
To catch on to Kadena but you know
Not so much you know our NFT community
Seems to be very small around
Kadena kind of seems like it's just
The same people over and over again
That are purchasing NFTs
Across the same communities
So really just branching it into
Another community is not going to do
Anything really bad and it's not
Like some people I've heard saying
Things like oh you know Kadena Hashing
Is leaving Kadena and it's like
From what I'm understanding about this
You're not leaving Kadena at all
If anything you're opening up more doors
Into Kadena
Yeah that's very well put Chris
And one of the things I'm most proud of
Personally from Kadena Hashing is
All of the people that we brought into
The ecosystem that knew nothing about
Kadena whatsoever we all have to
Remember that at some point
In the past everyone on this
All hadn't heard of Kadena
Right? There was some point
In the past where all of us
100% of us had never heard
Of what Kadena was and in order
To introduce Kadena
To like for example if somebody
Comes to the site and they see Bitcoin
Mining $30 you can start
Mining in 30 seconds for 30 bucks
And then they look over at Kadena and it's
Like 50 bucks or something it's more
And they go well why is that more expensive
So then they look up the ROI numbers
And they see that they're gonna be making
More money on the NFT
Well they go why is that? Why am I gonna be making
What is going on behind here
Right? And then if you own some
Of these NFTs and we have another
Parabolic run like we did last year
That I mean that just gets people's
Heads turned onto this ecosystem
So you know listen
I am a maxi
To no chain
I look at opportunity
And try to
People and introduce things
To what I think
Personally is
The best opportunity I absolutely
Love the fundamentals of Kadena
And I think the potential is there
For this thing to really
Moon one day and one day
It will make sense to launch
A business solely
On Kadena and stay and that's
What we did with the first one and we did pretty well
For ourselves
But like you said it was very well
Put I mean I was just kind of beating
A dead horse here but yeah
By doing this you do bring a lot
More eyes into the ecosystem
And they say what is this Kadena thing
And that's the beginning
That's where it starts
That's bringing in one additional person
Into the ecosystem that some will see it
And some won't
But you know what if we bring in
5, 10, 20 a month
Work effect so yeah
People are going to say what they're going to say
But at the end of the day
It is what it is
It totally makes sense to me
The more I started looking into it
And reading through the terror hashing stuff
The announcements on your Discord
On the Twitter account and everything
I was just like I don't see anything wrong with this
If anything I see a lot of positives
In it and that like I said
It's just going to open up more doors
And open up more bridges
Which is really something that the community
Has actually been crying
About lately
Is saying how are we going to get adoption
And stuff
Well this is one way that you get adoption
Is by opening bridges
Between two different communities
And leveraging a very large community
Like Polygon
To show them what Kadena is all about
So like I said
I don't see anything wrong with this
Maybe it's actually the better decision
To make at this point just because
Of the whole kind of lull
That Kadena seems to be in right now
Especially when it comes to the NFT space
And things like that
Obviously like you said
You're a Kadena Maxi in the sense
That you like the fundamentals
And what the coin actually is
In a way but when it comes to being
A miner cannot be any kind of Maxi
To any coin, a miner needs to go
Where the profits are
And that's really all it comes down to
Very well put
We have to go where the opportunity is
And that's it
So yeah very well put
And thanks for backing me up there Chris
Yeah no problem
So let's kind of talk about
Timeline, do you have any kind of
Timeline for Terra Hashing
And if so when are
Any ideas on
Have you been in talks
With Polygon launch pads
Anything like that or are you going to be
Hosting your NFT mints
The same way that you did with the Kadena Hashing
Ones yourselves
Do you have any kind of
Timeline or plans for how that stuff's going to go
Because I'm sure a lot of people
Now that they've heard about this are very interested
Of when they're going to be able to get their hands on these things
Yeah so we have
Kind of a soft target right now
Six weeks from here we're going to be launching
Probably the beta version
And we're going to do a bit of a soft launch
There's not going to be a lot of hype behind it
Or anything like that, no whitelist spots
We're just going to baby this thing
Right off the bat
And this operation
Is meant to scale
At a slower pace because we have to
Kind of build out infrastructure as we go anyway
As far as launch pads
No we haven't been in discussions with anyone
The initial version of our website
Will just be where you can purchase
The NFTs and then you can see them
And collect your rewards
And by the way you can
Request your rewards
Whether it's Bitcoin or Kadena
On the native chain
So if you're mining Kadena that's what you can
Withdraw, if you're mining Bitcoin
That's what you can withdraw
But the phase two
Will be launched in our own marketplace
Now on an ABM chain
There's nothing that says that someone can't
Send it to OpenSea
For example
The only difference, we're going to
Recommend that people use our marketplaces
Because we can
Tie the NFT to our database
And then on the marketplace itself
You can see how much warranty
Is left, there will be a countdown
And we really feel like
The more warranty that you have
On the product
Probably the higher price it will demand
If you launch
If you sell on our marketplace
Then of course you're going to see
How much warranty is left
But if you send it off to OpenSea
There's going to be copycats
There's going to be the scam
NFTs out that people will recreate
Them, you just got to be very careful
With that stuff, so just for security
Purposes and for totality of
Information, we're going to
Highly suggest that anyone wanting to sell
Or trade, do so on our own marketplace
And that will follow soon after
We launch the beta version
Of our website where you can buy the NFTs
It won't take too long, but
Yeah, we're looking at, you know, look
You can come in and you can start mining
For 30 bucks in 30 seconds
And you get the full power of the
Terra hash, or whatever ROI
That gets, and just withdraw your funds
Whenever you like, and sell whenever you like
Now you just mentioned a word that
I'm kind of curious that you could expand on
And that is warranty
When you say warranty, when you're buying
One of these NFTs, can you maybe expand
On what you mean by that?
Yeah, for sure, so it's the same as if you buy
A miner from Bitmain, for example, it comes
With a six month warranty
So if anything happens to the miner
You can send the miner back and
Get it replaced, or fixed, or whatever
So the TerraSlice product will have
A warranty, but we want to step further
And we've given you an additional
Six months warranty, so
So for one year total
That TerraSlice product
If the miner backing that
So the rewards are real
They come from a miner
That's actually backing it
You'll be able to look at the
Serial number of the miner
You'll be able to follow the hash write
Data coming from the miner
That's backing your product
So if that miner were to fail
For any reason, even if
It's outside of the manufacturer
Six month warranty, we'll replace
It ourselves on our own dime
As long as you're still within
The warranty period, so from the
Moment you mint your NFT
A countdown will begin starting
At one year, and then it will
Take down, now if it's outside of the
Warranty and something unfortunately
Happens to the miner, you know, then
It's the same as if you had bought
A miner and it was outside of the six month
Warranty, you know, replacement costs
Would be on you for that
So that's what we mean
About warranty period
Awesome, yeah, I'm sure
Some people listening when they heard
Warranty would be like, oh, what does that mean?
And two, like when you
Said that, so if someone
Buys one of these NFTs and
A month later, you know, something
Happens and they need to get their liquidity
Back and their money back or whatever
And they go and sell it on a marketplace
That, and hopefully specifically
Your marketplace, that
Warranty will carry over to
The next user, correct?
Absolutely, that's correct, that's right
And that's why we think that the warranty period will
Command a higher price, so for example, if you're just
A month in, you've got 11
Months on your
On your NFT left, and then
Someone is in the same boat and they're trying to sell
And they only have three months left on the
Warranty, I think, that, you know, the
Three-month one would command less
Of a price than the higher-priced
One, so that's why
It's important to, we think
That you buy
And sell and swap on our own
Marketplace where we can connect that to
Our database that will show exactly how
Much warranty is left on that particular
Awesome, now a couple
Was it yesterday, I believe, that you guys
Had a big space with a bunch
Of other trading or
NFT mining projects
Maybe for anyone who may have missed it
You want to maybe go over some of the highlights
From that, because I'm sure that was probably a very
Exciting conversation
Yeah, it's always really great to
Hook up with other projects, I just
Love alpha shooters to bits
Those guys are doing a
A lot for the mining space
And the NFT space
A very collaborative mindset
You know, we've come across some others
In this industry, I won't name
Any names that haven't been so
Collaborative in the past, but
You know, I think it's just silly, I think
We're all in this to win
Together, although we are
Kind of competitors in a way, kind
Of competing for the same meant dollars
If you will, I think
It's much, much more important to
Meet others in this space
To have conversations
With them, you can share ideas
And the beneficiaries
Of this, ultimately
Are the NFT owners, the guys
That will benefit off of
The trade secrets and the
Different things that are shared
With people in the
Industry, because everyone goes
At this and has a different experience
Some are in Paraguay, some are in different
Parts of the United States, I'm in Texas
I mean, I can teach people a lot
About what's going on here in Texas
Looks like somebody in Paraguay can show
Me where the secure land is, and things
Like that, so it was a really neat
Conversation
Yeah, I thoroughly enjoyed it
And I always enjoy getting
With Alfa shares and being on
With those guys, just because of
Their attitude and what they do
For the space and for everyone in it
So, they deserve all the success
They've got coming to them
Yeah, it seems like it was rather successful
I was just clicking on the link, it was
Recorded, so if anyone did not
Catch the AMA
You can always go back, it's on
The Kadena hashing and the Tera hashing
Pages, you can find
The link, you'll see the really cool little
Graphic and everything for it, and all the linked
People that saw it, it was pretty
Long, when three hours long, you had
Over 800 people tune in, so I called
That a success, that's for sure
Yeah, well the first hour and a half
I think was their regular NFT conference
We only chatted
Between the miners
For the last, I don't know, hour and
Fifteen, hour and twenty minutes or so
If you want to catch that, you want to
Fast forward towards the end
Now, when it comes to
Mining, the next
Tera hashing kind of thing
Are you going to be able to maybe open up
The option for people in the future
To kind of do like some of
The other mining projects
Are doing, of hosting miners
For other people, you know, at a small
Kind of cost, is that something
That you guys have thought about putting into?
Absolutely, yeah, that's
Sort of the phase three, right, phase
One is to watch the Tera slice
Product, phase two
Is to do the marketplace, where you
Can trade and sell those, and then phase
Three is where you can purchase
Whole miners from us
You can have those
Miners hosted with us
So the reason
That we kind of win in this step-by-step
Process is, as I said,
We have to build out infrastructure
As we go, so
If we were to just
Host miners right off the jump, that
Would kind of limit us
In terms of revenue, and
The revenue that we need
To build out the right side of
Our facility, and then to proceed
On and purchase land
And then finally
Have 100% control
Over our own destiny
Right now, you know, we do have our own
Facility, but it is leased
And although
We love the place, it's working out
Great for us, we've put a lot of work
Into it, but still,
There is some hint
Of counterparty risk there
So I won't
Stop personally until we have
100% control
No one, nowhere
Tell us we've got to go, or
You know, or whatever
Any number of things can happen
When you're not in full
Control, so
Yeah, that's kind of the step-by-step process
So I look for hosting
And all of that sort of thing
Hard to put an exact timeline on it
But six months to a year after
We launched the Terra Slice product, it could take
Actually that long before us to
Build out our own property
And stuff like that, but it will come
And when it does, we'll be very
Competitive
And all of those details will be
Of course available on our website
And stuff like that, just
For anybody here that hasn't already followed us
Go over to
Terra Hashing
Underscore I.O
And give us a follow, and keep up with us there
Now as you're building out new
Facilities, are you guys planning
On sticking with open-air
Mining system, or
Any thoughts on going with
What seems to be the new trend of
Liquid cooling, so that you could probably
Do a little bit of extra hashing
Power out of these machines
Yeah, good question
Initially, we will be doing the
Open-air, and why it's
Tried and true, we know how to do it
We're good at it, we can
Get things set up
Relatively quickly for less overhead
Cost, but
Absolutely, once we've created
A sufficient enough revenue stream
Be looking to put an
Enclosure on the property
And dipping our toe
Into some immersion mining
Even possibly hydro-cooling
I've just recently been
In a conversation with a fellow
That was, it's extremely
Expensive to set up as the problem
It's just like doing solar or something
It could cost you
A million dollars to set up
A megawatt or two worth of
Miners, but the hash power
Is so much greater on these, and
There's so much more
Risk resistant to
Down turns in the market, for example
Our bear markets and stuff
Like that, so it's
Certainly
A direction that we will head, but
First things first, we have to crawl
Before we can walk, this is a very
Long, multi-year
But probably multi-decade, hopefully
This is literally
The ground floor, we started with a facility
Releasing, we'll move on to a property that we own
Then we'll probably move on to a larger
Property that we own, and along
The way, once we build up enough
Then, yes, of course, we're going to go
Into liquid immersion cooling
Our mining operations manager is all
Over it, he loves that stuff
He would do it today if we could
Afford it, but that and possibly
Liquid cooling and all that kind of good stuff
Because, you know, this industry
It just changes so very rapidly
And if you don't stay
Up with the trends
And the new nanochips
And the hydro cooling, the overclocking
And all this kind of stuff, you can be left
In the dust, so, yeah, we definitely
Plan on going that direction, but
Like I said, we've got to build up our revenue base
Awesome, well, that pretty much
Covers everything that I had
Planned to speak about today, is there
Any other things that you feel like we
May have missed or any kind of other
Alpha or things that you want to release?
No, that's really, that's really not
All I got for now, guys, Chris
As always, it's always a pleasure
Talking to you, you always have some very
Interesting questions, and it's always
Fun talking about this sort of thing
So thanks for having us, and thanks
Everybody here for showing up, and like I said
Just go over and follow at
TeraHashing underscore IO
And keep up with the latest
Awesome, well, I want to thank everyone
As well for joining us today, it's been
Another amazing conversation
And make sure you guys give
Kadena Hashing here a follow
Click on their profile here
Go join their Discord, get involved
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They got a little landing site
For their website that's coming soon
So also just join up,
Keep informed, and hopefully
In the very near future, we'll
People will be able to get their hands
On some really cool new NFTs
And dip their toes into some really
Fun mining, so, yeah, thank you very much
Thanks, Chris, thanks, buddy, keep doing
What you're doing, man
Awesome, all right, well, thank you very much
Everyone for listening, and we will
See you next time on our next AMA
So take care, and have a great day
Have a great day, everybody