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philosophy & covfefe
Recorded: July 6, 2025 Duration: 5:17:28Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic discussion, key topics emerged around new partnerships, token launches, and significant fundraising efforts in the crypto space, highlighting trends in DeFi and the importance of strategic collaborations for growth.
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Music I'm going to go. Villagin, come here. There he is. There's my boy.
There's my boy.
Only because your title was so interesting did I show up.
Why?
I just woke up. I need to get out of bed.
I have to go outside.
I also woke up.
Just woke up.
Okay, well, I don't have any executive function.
I'm a Zoomer.
So can you do something?
No, no, I'm just here to observe.
diligent why is it yesterday you i sat i you said i need a co-host i said i'll co-host i'm very
serious and you sat with me requesting for i don't know an hour i brought you on my stage twice
okay but then then you just made Mag a voice Your co-host
Because he's experienced
And I needed a serious, experienced co-host
I'm an experienced co-host
Serious
Serious
I'm serious
The evidence does not support that claim
What?
I'm going to a comedy show diligent and I'm really sick of your shit
it's time to grow up
it's time to be serious
it's time to look at the facts
look at the numbers
it's time to wake up it's time to be serious. It's time to look at the facts. Look at the numbers. It's time to wake up.
It's time to take the day.
Like a...
It's time to take the bull by the horns.
What is the phrase?
Take the bull by the horns.
That's right.
It's time to take the bull by the horns.
It's time to stop hiding, Diligent.
It's time to stop hiding.
Stop hiding in bed.
Get up.
I've already been up.
I've already been up and fed and watered my dog.
Took him outside.
Wait, really?
Yeah.
Oh, I woke up like 30 minutes ago.
I can't get up.
This is not the... This is what I mean.
Never mind.
Why do you have NFTs up there?
What? Say it.
What do you have about NFTs?
Are you part of NFTs?
NFTs, reality TV, K-pop.
No, I was in crypto like a lot longer before these fucking losers hitchlab
um i was a old i was a old soul crypto person i used to have to and it was not
nice to women hitch i'm trying to bring you up.
So I had to make male accounts.
And my name was Mike Litteris.
And I would sit in these chat rooms and pretend to be a man so I could learn about crypto.
Because when they found out I was a woman. They'd kick me out.
So I'd get a VPN.
I'd come back in.
Like a stalker.
Can you guys say something?
That's my favorite American man hitch slap let's go shout out diligent this is a fucking stage from heaven
diligent zintani and i hit slap one now let's go
now that now that zintani is not alone i will be leaving you now
thank you what the frick oh I'm also not staying long.
I'm going to bed very soon, Zinoni.
Stop.
Good night, Head Slap.
Good night, brother.
No way.
Yeah, this is the, you know.
He's like a father.
He really is a man.
He is.
He's a good man.
You know, anyone who has anything bad to say about Diligent has mental problems.
Diligent?
What did you say?
Did you just say Diligent has mental problems?
I said anyone who has anything bad to say about Diligent has mental problems.
Oh, okay.
I mean, Diligent, I'm the one with the mental problems.
I wish I could be on a timeline where we start talking shit about him.
Never, never.
You know, one of the things I've learned from Diligent,
don't talk about people who are not around
and don't let other people talk shit about people who are not around.
Don't talk about people who are not around.
That's a very good heuristic, very good rule.
Diligent has mental problems.
He does not have mental problems.
He's...
Anyone who doesn't like him has mental problems.
Yeah.
Or that one.
Either one.
Either one.
Now, how are you?
Are you still in the bathtub?
No, but...
I love having a bathtub. Like my life is so much better with about i don't know how i
survived with just a shower i'm a woman i can't showers are such a god it's such a man gross man
thing how long is this face been going for?
Like two seconds.
Oh, okay.
You know, men don't exfoliate
and you can smell it.
I can smell it.
I can smell when people don't floss their teeth.
All that bacteria
sitting in their mouth.
And the men don't, like,
wash themselves properly.
So they just have like
dead skin that sits on top of their skin gets moldy and nasty you need to scrub the dead skin
off of you you know no no you don't just put yes men just put body wash on top of their dead skin folds and like uh they don't even they don't scrub they like just throw
more and more soap on top of dead skin then the dead skin gets moldy and like stinky no it doesn't
what kind of smell it on men when you when you sweat you should not be stinky like that is a build-up of bacteria just laying on
top of your skin and that's why men stink when they go to the gym because they're not washing
they're not exfoliating when we meet i'm gonna get you in a headlock and i'm gonna lock your
head under my armpit is my least favorite thing about men is they're stinky. They don't clean themselves.
I don't know why they don't do that.
It makes me upset.
Oh, my God.
Don't cry, Zintan.
It's okay.
Ah, his slap one's here.
No need to cry.
What?
Turn that frown.
I said, ah, his slap one is here.
No need to cry.
Turn that frown upside down.
Can you beat them all up, Hedge, please?
Well, you want to beat up any man that doesn't exfoliate?
Yes.
Oh, my God.
I can smell them.
They think.
I don't know what they think.
They're not aware.
When we go out, you use your nose like a sniffer dog.
You just sniff, sniff, and then you point.
Like, do the pointer.
Lift up one arm like a pointer dog, and then you point to the people who haven't like exfoliated and I'll beat them up one
at a time it's why like so that I have like these two psychologists one of them thinks I'm autistic
and the other thinks I'm not autistic but I have autistic traits oh I I learned something from you that i applied today okay what remember remember the
other day you were teaching me about autistic flirting yeah basically just like insulting
people well no no no no no it's like when i was when i was first talking to you
um because you think i was like bullying, internet bullying you,
but I wasn't.
There's a difference.
Like you can hear the difference
between how I talked to Myron
and how I spoke to you.
Well, I was teasing this girl
and she started blushing.
I was teasing her gently
and then I said,
my friend Zintani taught me this.
It's called autistic flirting
and it was just me teasing her.
Was I doing it right?
Yeah.
And then
show a picture of me and start talking
about me to the girl. She'll love that.
And then just spend the whole time
talking about me.
Is that how it works? I don't think that's how it works.
Yeah, that's really good.
Women love that.
I don't think they do how it works. Yeah, that's really good. Women love that. I don't think they do.
This girl is from Kazakhstan, for real.
She said she was from Kazakhstan.
Was this in IRL or over the internet?
No, it was on a space.
I went to try to support Yellow Sally in her space.
You know, the space didn't go very well, in my opinion.
Not for me, at least.
But I was talking to a girl from Kazakhstan, was there,
and she, I was doing your trick, like autistic flirting.
I was just making fun of her,
which is how you taught me to do it, right?
I think you have to actually be autistic
to do autistic flirting.
I don't know.
I've been accused of having the tism
from time to time there's certainly such a thing as autistic riz and people don't believe me because
when we're one-on-one they're like i don't want to bring you around these people you're too weird
you're you're not you're you joke too much you blah blah But, you know, when you throw Zintani into a room full of people, especially serious people, it's a miraculous thing.
Especially, you get me talking about quantum physics.
I mean, it's over.
I can entrance a room with my autism.
With my autism.
I really can't, Hitch.
I really can't hitch.
What I was going to say is.
About the autism thing though.
The reason I brought it up.
Is like the experience of a bar for me.
Is so atrociously.
Fucking awful.
You have like loud.
Booming music.
That is drumming through me.
It's like bad white people music.
And I'm not. I'm not being. A snowflake whatever. It's like bad white people music and i'm not i'm not being um a snowflake
whatever it's like a fact like edm white people music is the dumbest uh shittiest music on
fucking planet earth you have it blasting so you can't hear anyone around you It's really uncomfortable. And then some dude is always there like hovering over you
and speaking into your ear. And you're like, huh, I can't hear you. And then he has to speak louder
and his breath stinks and he stinks and he's breathing all of his like food particles and unflossed teeth are flying into your nose.
I hate it.
I don't understand why people go to bars.
It makes me upset.
There were some autistic spergs in a space recently talking about retro causality
and how time can move backwards because of retro causality.
Really?
Yeah, I was like, where's Nintani when you need her?
No, retro causality is stupid, though.
I know, I agree.
I mean, I was interested for a second, but...
I tried to tell them, but they were ignoring me.
I was saying retro causality is bullshit, and then they're like, no, it's not.
and then they're like, no, it's not.
I said, okay, and I left.
I said, okay, and I left.
It's an interesting side quest, retro causality.
That's a good way of putting it.
How do you feel feminists with blue hair?
Do you like them?
Do what?
Do you like feminists with blue hair?
I never encounter them.
I hear people talking about them all the time,
but I never actually see them anywhere.
What's your number one pickup line?
If you saw like a hot Australian guy,
like, and he was like half Italian,
half Northern Italian, half Southern Italian,
and he just finished eating a steak,
what pickup line would you use?
What's the autistic flirting pickup line?
Well, I'm a woman, so it's easy for me if i ever am initiating but now i know like it's better to
just not initiate it's better to let the man do it and most men are not men so most men will not
initiate anymore unless they're like that's why i like the older guys man i like only i'm only interested in older guys because they're the only ones that like know how to be men.
Gary just messaged me.
I used to, I used to just walk up to them and say, I'm attracted to you.
That's it.
Well, let's go.
Yeah, I mean, I think it's worked every time.
it's worked every time.
But I think the problem is, like,
you don't want to set a foundation of being the initiator as a woman.
That's not a good thing.
Because especially today, all the men want to be sexual selectors.
They want to be women.
So if you start being the knight in shining armor that goes and approaches,
it just sets things off on a bad foot.
Gary just messaged me and said that he's an older man. Who? Gary. Welcome Gary are you an older man?
Maybe you are. Oh my god Gary's underwater.
Gary fix your mic. Have you got a two dollar mic?
Gary, fix your mic.
Have you got a $2 mic?
Gary, you're going down.
Fix your $2 mic.
How hard is it to get a mic, Zintani?
What is with these people who don't shower, don't exfoliate,
and don't have a good mic?
It's awful, Hitch.
Oh, poor Zintani. You poor you poor why are there so many people in here
because you guys care for what do you want it's because they're diligent that's why they're here
can you hear me gary we got you now yeah i have my speaker on oh Oh, we got you. Are you an older man, Gary?
69, dude.
Zintani loves older men.
Well, I don't know about that.
I got a good girlfriend.
I got a real good one.
Oh, real good. But, yeah.
Yeah, she got money, too.
Oh, Zintani, you're out of luck.
She's got money? Yes, she's got money. She Oh, as in tiny, you're out of luck. She's got money?
Yes, she's got money.
She looks after Gary, I think.
Yeah, just mad.
I had an interruption.
Go ahead, Gary.
What do you want to say?
Oh, I'm just listening to you.
No big deal.
I'm here in Fort Worth.
It's raining or it has been raining.
I'm really worried about all these flood victims down around san antonio
gary you've got an amazing accent the what san antonio what yeah the floods
killed about 52 people oh what where are y'all at anyway?
I'm in Kazakhstan.
Where is that at?
Where is that at?
It's near Kazakhstan.
It's near Uzbekistan.
Pakistan?
No, Kazakhstan.
It's near Uzbekistan.
Oh, okay.
It's west of Russia.
Oh, oh.
You're quite a ways away.
I am, I am.
But, you know, Zantani's in New York.
Oh, New York.
Well, welcome to Texas.
Let's go.
So you're in Texas there's floods yes around say yeah it happened third of July you know right before the fourth in about 45 minutes.
Did that happen?
A dam break?
No, it was the Guadalupe River. It overflowed
and people
were sleeping and
it just washed them all out.
Speaking of
sleeping, I'm going to sleep, Gary.
It's nice to meet you, my friend.
No, Hedge. You can't leave me like this. Well, listen. Invite up some, Gary. It's nice to meet you, my friend. No, Hedge.
You can't leave me like this.
Well, listen, invite up some more people.
What's the plan here?
What?
I don't have anyone else.
All right.
We're going to start sending out invites, and then I'm going to sleep.
No, Hedge.
I am going to sleep.
You're always sleeping.
It's 2 in the morning, Zintani.
I'm upside down land.
Oh, you're 2 in the morning. You're 2 in the morning. It's very. I'm upside down, Lance. Oh, you're 2 in the morning.
You're 2 in the morning.
It's very late.
What time have you got, Gary?
11.38 in the morning, Sunday.
11.38.
Gary, I love your acting.
You know what?
Hitch, go to sleep.
I am going to go to sleep.
Sweet dreams, Gully Bean.
I'll see you.
You got some speakers now.
Say hello to the people.
Yeah, okay. Yeah, okay. Take it easy. Nice to meet you, Gary. You got some speakers now. Say hello to the people. Yeah. Okay.
Take it easy. Nice to meet you,
Gary. You're a legend.
Sleep well. Have a good day.
Yeah, I am in a roundabout way.
Let's go.
Hey, what's up, everyone?
I'm actually in San Antonio,
and my old man lives out by the
Guadalupe River. I grew up out there. I'm about to head out
there and check it out right now.
You're going to go check out the flood?
Yeah, I go to the river every other weekend.
Every weekend.
I always go down there and practice my photography and shit.
Because there's a couple spots on the river I like to go to.
I'm going to go check it out right now.
Is that allowed?
Are you allowed to do that?
I mean, you have to cross the river to get to my dad's house.
You have to go over the bridge.
There's something what we call the $5 spot where you get in because it's a tubing river where people go tubing during the summer.
I don't know if you guys know what that is, but you just get an ice chest full of beer and some tubes and some friends. And I used, yeah, you go float the
river, but I always, I have to cross the $5 spot to get there. And like, there's another
part, like about a mile away from my dad's place. I go check out on the Rebecca Creek
road and that's where the river crosses. That's where I usually go.
Have you heard from him? I mean, have you?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, I've been contacting him. The. The trio flooded pretty bad, man.
Yeah, so I'm loading up my camera right now,
and I'm putting my shoes on about to head out there.
Yeah, well, stay safe then.
Be careful.
Hell yeah.
I'm going to put pictures if you guys are interested.
Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Yeah, thanks for having me up.
Is that it
you're leaving well i don't have a headset and i'm about to be like walking so it's gonna be
kind of like really not good audio you know well i'll stay up here while i'm driving i'll put some
headphones on or something men these days sure blame the men it is
it's all the men's fault
okay okay
you need men
to lead us out of
bullshit
this is the I hate men
space actually
it's a feminist space
oh I wasn't aware
if you could give your five
best reasons women are the
best and men are the worst,
we could go one by
one.
I mean, I think I'm a
pretty standard guy.
Wait, what?
I'm a pretty standard guy, you know?
Wait, this is a feminist-based. i'm a can't be pro-men here yeah i'm a fucking asshole there's just no women on
on twitter no it's just toxicity that's all we have what is no men yeah misogyny misogyny I'm a misogynist
I'm pretty sure you said
misogyny that's pretty hilarious
we joke about that a lot in spaces that I'm in
why did Hitch Slap leave me here it's a form of torture
first diligent
then Hitch Slap
he's still in that diligence still on listeners
I know he's just
watching me suffer
so we're at New York do you live I know. He's just watching me suffer.
So where are New York do you live?
In New York.
Like the city?
Wait, why does everyone ask that? It's already like a small area.
I don't know.
I know upstate New York is supposed to be really beautiful.
Oh. No, I I know upstate New York is supposed to be really beautiful. Oh.
No, I'm not upstate. I'm in the
middle of all the stuff going on.
Do you
enjoy New York?
I just got
here, but yeah.
Everyone's mad. Everyone's honking.
I've found it makes me way more calm when everyone around me is freaking out so i do like it yeah if everyone's losing their minds then you're
you know just one of everybody right right? Yeah, there's actually studies
on this, man. Like certain children, if you grow up in a chaotic childhood, and you put that chaotic
child in like a calm environment, they're chaotic. But you put those kids when they grow up like in um serious situations like a flood or a or a fire or a war
or something they have their shit together like they are very um
yes and i regretfully i think this is me maybe not probably me too i grew up pretty chaotically
huh i grew up in a pretty chaotic environment as mean, it's probably me, too. I grew up pretty chaotically. Huh?
I grew up in a pretty chaotic environment as well, so it's probably me, too.
Yeah, you probably thrive in chaos. So, like, places like New York, everyone's freaking the fuck out.
Oh, my God.
Everything's, like, the end of the world all the time.
I'm like, well, I mean, I'm calm here.
I'm very calm.
I feel great. So, Where did you come from?
This is what we're supposed to do.
Huh?
Where did you come from to New York?
Colorado, where I lost my fucking mind because everything's peaceful and quiet all the time.
It was beautiful and cheap, but nothing is going on ever. Everyone's in bed at like 7 p.m. Everything's closed.
Everyone, you going out to Colorado, you ask someone about themselves, everyone says the
same thing. They say, I like dogs. I like hiking. I like hiking with my dog. That's every single person in Colorado.
That's their whole personality.
That's it.
It's just, it's not, I don't know.
I'm glad I'm here.
Yeah, I've been to Colorado a few times.
And I have to say Boulder, Colorado is pretty cool.
I like it there.
It's really beautiful.
I can't, not camps, but I stayed at this place. It's pretty cool. I like it there. It's really beautiful.
I can't, not camps, but I stayed at this place. It's like on a creek somewhere.
A1 something or some shit like that.
Everyone's like mountain biking and fishing and shit and like enjoying life.
Yeah, I really love Vale.
I was supposed to get married
in Colorado.
But that didn't happen.
Thank God it didn't happen. Jesus.
Yeah, I almost actually moved to Colorado, but I moved to Austin, Texas instead.
But Austin is completely fucking cooked now.
So I moved back to San Antonio.
You went to Texas to get married?
Wait, sorry, what?
I just woke up.
Oh, good morning.
Well, I can't keep saying that.
I can't keep saying I just woke up.
I woke up like an hour ago, I guess.
No, I moved to Austin just because I wanted to move somewhere.
And I lived there for a long time.
It's like before I started living there, up until after, even to this very day, they are doing construction on IH35.
It's meant to be endured.
It's never meant to be finished.
You think it's money laundering?
Oh, absolutely.
Really? Well, not laundering,
but the
city's super left and
liberal, and they don't really use
the city's taxes properly.
They don't do anything to fix the homeless
problem because that's how they get more money.
It's like, oh, we've got to fix this.
The taxes are fucking out
through the fucking roof now.
People don't really
live in Austin. They live in the surrounding areas
that are mostly more
conservative areas.
Yeah, I thought Texas was
conservative and I thought
the tax stuff was great.
Was that a lie? I mean, it is.
It just depends on where you live.
They can change
taxes based on where you are in the
state? Well, no, because Austin
is a city, but
all the wealthier areas, they're sub-cities,
right? So you have
Westlake, or Round Round Rock or Cedar Park.
But those have their own police stations and their own cities.
And so you're paying taxes in those wealthier areas.
You're probably paying less taxes for a better quality of living.
Just because all the rich people live there there and they don't vote in these
fucking people that completely, like,
misallocate, like, tax funds and shit.
Does that make sense?
It sounds like man stuff. My brain
just turns off.
Money.
Something about money and taxes in wealthy areas or something right oh yeah sorry i'm uh walking yeah that's pretty much what he said yeah yeah
talking about how well uh in texas austin is a very, kind of a liberal area.
It's mostly conservative.
I can't speak conservative in Texas, but Houston and Austin are pretty liberal.
Yeah, my girlfriend.
The liberal areas, though, they're wealthier?
They're nicer?
No, no, no, no, no.
The opposite.
They're not.
The opposite, yeah.
Really?
Yeah.
I mean, they've got a lot of, like, events and stuff,
but it's not, I wouldn't say, nicer than other regions,
just because of that.
Yeah, they're known for, like, ACL,
which is, like, Austin City Limits,
like, a big music festival, and, like, you know,
anytime that stuff happens, they're, like, you know, anytime that stuff happens,
they're like, you know, they have an F1 track there.
And so like living in Austin, anytime that shit happens,
like you literally just hunker down in your fucking house
and don't go out anywhere because the traffic is just so insane.
I need to get out of bed and get coffee.
You're still in bed. I need Diligent to come yell at me.
Or something.
I need something.
I wish I could.
We should have like some.
Button you can press. And you get possessed by an AI, like in the morning when you don't want to get out of bed.
And it just makes your brain do it for you.
Yeah, those are called AI agents.
I think they can actually do that now.
I mean, that would be great.
But, you know, it's a slippery slope. I mean, that would be great, but, you know, it's a slippery slope.
It might be so convenient,
you just leave that AI on all the time, you know?
And then you stop being a person.
Exactly.
No, it would be great because you could skip time.
It's like, go to the gym, make me really hot
and skinny in the beginning of the day,
and then
I'll take over.
Isn't that what
Neuralink being created for?
No, it's not going to
be able to do that.
It's not going to be that powerful.
Well, I mean,
with Neuralink...
Where do we get Barry Manilow in the
jazz voice?
Wait, is that a compliment?
Hell yeah, it is man nice voice appreciate it uh
yeah i'm just joining the conversation i was sent to mike great space though i'm enjoying it
neural link what they're trying to accomplish is actually fucking i mean it's gonna it's gonna solve so many problems when
they can get through it the problem is like every thought you have is an electrochemical reaction
which causes heat and so if you're doing this synthetically um causing too much heat is a really really scary possibility so the fact that they're
they're making any headway on this at all is fucking wild i mean you look at certain um
neurodegenerative brains where like you start fucking with the heat these brains just shut down so neural link could be a real like
horror show i mean i wouldn't be surprised if it's locked in your brain that starts going crazy
you're fucked but on the positive side if they can i'm sure well that's the thing is like i'm
sure there's gonna be a couple people with a weird Neuralink thing and they just die.
But the positive aspects of it, it'll also save lives.
I believe there will be a lot of benefits to having it.
But my main question is, how are you going to charge it at night?
Like, is there going to be like a magnetic plug?
You got to
attach to your brain?
What if you don't charge it fully at night?
What if you only get two hours of sleep?
Is there a portable charger
pack?
Will it be MagSafe compatible?
That's where I'm at with it.
I believe they're almost out of animal
testing with it.
No, they've already got human
testing, dude.
They are doing human trials.
How much are they getting paid for this?
They have multiple human candidates.
They've got one guy who
was basically completely paralyzed
and he can
control a cursor and play games,
and they now have people that were born blind and are able to see.
They can see now.
Okay.
Yeah, but I mean, it hasn't gone past the trial phase, obviously.
Yeah, that's going to be a day when it finally gets commercial.
So Neuralink and we got the Romance bots coming out soon.
So this is about to be really, really interesting.
Yeah, the sex robot thing is going to be crazy.
That's insane.
Oh, Famous.
Go ahead.
Hi, I'm calling.
I'm joining in from Canada.
Zintani, Diligent is being quiet, so I have to take over and remind you, please get up and get out of bed.
That's all I have to say. Thank you.
Thank you. I actually did get up, though.
I'm walking around slowly.
Good.
You know what's crazy about New York is, like, I don't know if I'm the only one who feels this way, but I've never gotten binoculars.
But I feel like we're all just like naked and like out in the open in front of each other.
And like any weirdo with binoculars could like look and see everyone.
Is this kind of the vibe or what i'm in montreal i don't feel
quite like that but i'm just living in a boring suburb in montreal maybe downtown montreal i have
no idea i mean like i've looked and no one has blinds up on their skyscraper apartments no one
it's like do they not walk around the apartment naked or what's i don't
know i've never gotten binoculars to check but i'm very curious not in a creepy way i just want
to know if it's happening i don't want to see the naked bodies i just want to know like am i
acclimating or is there a culture to this do we not i mean there's definitely going to be some
people doing that but it's definitely not widespread.
And most people, if they have their blinds open,
they're not going to be walking around naked.
But that's most people.
Some people, they want you to see it.
Yeah, there's nothing like walking around naked in your own place.
Yeah, like, what the fuck are you supposed to?
Yeah.
It's so liberating.
Yeah.
Like, in the movie American Psycho,
like, he literally has a telescope at his fucking balcony
with play against the window.
Please tell me, Zintani, you have your blinds.
Have you installed blinds?
I walk around in my bear suit here at home,
but I leave my blinds open because I don't care.
I have blinds in my living room installed,
but I don't have them in my room.
And there is a towering another skyscraper, like right over me.
Ooh, please take care of that.
Why?
Isn't it just the vibe of New York?
Well, I don't know.
I was only there for one week a million years ago and the vibe was just
wild and crazy so i i don't know what i'm talking about chop cheese i beg your pardon
i mean the question comes down to do you like the attention or not
i haven't i don't know if there is attention i. I'm just saying, like, no.
My assumption is that no one cares.
Nah, probably that's more likely.
No one cares.
Everybody's too wrapped up in their own world to care.
I think you should wear your green frog suit all the time, Zintani.
I think people in New York would like that.
I need to get me one of those.
Is it a wet frog suit?
Go look
at her pinned post. You decide.
Let me go check this out right
now.
It's exquisite.
As far as frog suits go, it's like
top of the class.
This is cool.
I got a turtle. I got a turtle.
I got a turtle suit like this.
Excellent.
So we got a turtle, a frog, and a bear.
Who else has a suit?
Man, I don't have an animal suit.
I'm missing out.
You got to get with the program, bro.
Oh, man.
I should put my picture in the comments with my turtle suit on.
Please, dude.
I want to see a turtle suit.
I'm very curious now what a turtle suit looks like, honestly.
Is it like a turtle suit like the movie Master Disguise?
Are you turtley enough for the turtle club?
Or is it like a ninja turtle?
Yeah, more like a
ninja turtle.
How do you get your voice
like that?
I don't know.
It's just a voice.
He's helping Galaxy Gas.
That's why. It's Galaxy Gas, guys.
I'm sorry. I cut off Zintani.
Zintani is asking to put it in the jumbo.
Turtle suit?
I got to find it. I got to find that picture. It's gonna take me a minute to look for it.
So I gotta be honest, radio, when you start talking to the women, do they just automatically
start undressing?
I've had quite the experience on this app.
I've gotten a little bit of everything, but to me, all I hear is a rusty voice.
I don't really hear what everyone else is hearing, but I do get teased and trolled a lot about my voice. I don't know, man.
Nah, bro, you got that smooth jazz voice, man.
I'm like, it just seems like people just don't know a lot of people with deep voices.
I'm like, I don't, like, you know.
I grew up in a family of uncles and, you know, people who talk with this kind of voice. I don't know.
I mean, I would
kill for that voice.
No, don't kill anyone.
I'm not going to kill anybody.
But, you know,
honestly, I would
trade my voice for a cool
accent or your voice any day.
I'll bet you do
better with the ladies than I do with my bear suit, bro.
It's gotten pretty
bad on this app.
Even
at work, it is
kind of interesting.
But they seem to like it.
I got her
working up better than white voice.
Just talking with you.
Hello? I got her working up You can be all hot and butter just talking with you Hello Wait can you guys hear me
Yes we can hear you
Okay cool
I switched to headphones
Oh you sound even better now
Normally it's the opposite
When people switch to their headphones
They don't get the fucking
It's the normal Apple headphones are the best when people switch to their headphones. They don't get the fucking...
It's the normal Apple headphones are the best.
The sound is the best.
All these Bluetooth shits, they suck ass.
Yeah, I love my Apple headphones too.
Hey, Zintani, someone was bothering you the other day.
Have they left you alone somebody is saying
that you go around oinking all over the place what was that nonsense i'm getting i'm getting
bullied internet bullied harassed everywhere i go i'm a victim oh no just get yeah they follow me
around beat me up oh yeah they threaten Yeah, it's misogamy.
This ain't right.
What's going on in New York?
Did this happen in that other boring place you lived at?
It's on the internet.
Ah, okay.
You got to be careful, eh?
Zantani, what kind of coffee? You know, internet bullying is illegal.
What kind of coffee?
What kind of coffee are you drinking this morning?
Have you made any yet?
I love this.
Okay, what is it? I think it's Arabic.
Bold
roast. I don't know.
I don't know. I think it's
good. And I have
like lavender
Starbucks creamer.
It's amazing.
Yeah, I definitely prefer
bold. Medium gets the job
done because it has more caffeine,
but bold is where the flavor
is at.
Bold coffee is the best.
I've never thought about a floral
flavoring for coffee.
For lavender?
I know that's very aromatic.
It's definitely trending more, I think, recently, but it's amazing.
Is it social media trending or just public trending?
I mean, I'm a Caucasian, I'm not not trying to not be.
So I love Starbucks.
I know Starbucks has started doing it.
And Starbucks is doing it.
That means everyone's doing it for sure.
I just haven't seen any reels yet on the timeline for it.
Yeah, the girlies are drinking lavender, lavender lattes.
There's also rose lattes, which are also really good.
I used to, like, work out of coffee.
Yeah, it's interesting.
They taste like flowers.
I don't know how to explain that.
Sorry, go on.
That's dope.
I was going to say, it's the easiest job ever.
All you do is make coffee and hit on girls, and, like, you get extra money for it.
It's insane.
And you can just, like, give free coffee away to anyone that you want.
So, guess who got all the free coffee?
All the hot girls.
Wait, what?
Who gets – where do they get free coffee?
Where?
No, I used to be a manager at Starbucks.
And so, like, I would just give hot girls free coffee, and then instead of paying for the coffee, they would just put the money inside the tip jar.
And so, like, everyone that worked on me got, like, a percentage of the tips.
We got, like, a part of it.
So, like, I used to have, like, the most bust in tip jars because I, like, had the power to give people's tip for free and mark it out.
Wait, so it wasn't for free?
They would just put in the tips
well i mean yeah because they would come there every single day and then obviously like you
know it's they're gonna spend the same amount of money but this this way they don't have to pay for
the drink and a tip we're just giving just the money for the drink so it's kind of a break on them you know what I'm saying yeah I don't know if I'm an asshole
but I tip based on no no no actually I always tip but I hate it half of the time I would like to
not have to tip if the person is like an asshole or I didn't like the way they did their job but I feel
compelled to tip I do feel like a sense of like someone is going to come out of the wall and beat
me up if I don't tip so I do it anyway but I hate it thoughts you guys tip I tip I tip actually pretty well
oh yeah I tip too
I only go to the same places all the time
so I know I'm like contributing
to them like being able to pay their bills
and shit you know what I mean so it's always the same regulars
the people that always remember me you know
and then we like bullshit and like
I'm like you know
they're like the real ones
what about like if you go somewhere new
And they do a really shitty job
Do you still tip?
It depends on if I'm ever going back there
Yeah
I was thinking the same question
It's a tip but it's literally going to be like
Maybe like 15% or 10%
It's not going to be fucking 30 or 40%
Like I normally do, you know
You tip 30 or 40% like I normally do, you know?
You tip 30% or 40%?
Are we supposed to do that?
No, I just do
because it's always the same people.
They all remember my name.
They don't, you know,
there's none of that bullshit. Hey, do you mind if I get a
card ticket, put it on file? They know I'm going to
fucking come through.
And not
run out on the bill.
They're excited when they see you come in the door.
Yeah, exactly. That's what I like.
That's what I want. That's why I'm going out.
They give you the red carpet treatment.
I need the attention, guys. That's why I'm on Twitter
space. That's why I'm in your spaces, Ani.
It's in Tani.
Why are you in my space?
I need your attention.
The fuck?
You know, I really don't like American hidden fee stuff.
Like, in Sweden, the tax is a part of the price.
Like, the price is just the price.
There is no tipping.
There is no... you just have,
you're looking at the number you're going to pay immediately.
In America, like, to come here and see all the hidden fee stuff
and the fact that it's, like, normal here
makes me think, like, you guys have been thrown for a loop
because it's weird.
It doesn't make
sense to not see how much you're you're gonna pay for like a tv it doesn't make sense to buy a tv and
then you have to pay another hundred dollars for it you know with all of this all the subscriptions
you gotta add to it just to watch it i I mean, you're going to probably end up paying that anyway.
Yeah, hidden fees on hidden fees on hidden fees on taxes on hidden taxes on inflation.
The poors fucking pay taxes in so many different ways.
And inflation's the worst because you never get to see that it's just comes by like
you you work your whole life and 10 years later you've been promoted like 10 times and then you
look around you and you realize you're actually poorer than when you started that's what inflation
is it's like this stupid you're making more, but you can't afford anything. It's terrible.
This is why crypto started.
Oh, I don't want to go on a crypto rant.
But this, you know, this is why Satoshi, after the, where is Jason Williams?
He wrote this book talking about this.
There was a 2008, uh, housing crisis.
I don't know how old you guys are.
There was something happened in 2008.
Uh, the people in charge of the money fucked around too much and everyone got fucked over
except the rich.
And that's when um
shit got real in crypto yeah i was uh i was around at that point like i'm 39 so i was definitely
around i definitely remember it it was a bunch of bankers and they all bailed them out and that's
what a occupy wall street was born from because they literally stole all
this fucking money and all these guys that stole money all these bankers they just got away with
it like they didn't get jailed or anything and they had like millions and millions of fucking
dollars and then the banks were completely going like bankrupt right and so like the government
just printed more money and bailed them out which is complete fucking bullshit and theft
you know so everyone else has to pay for
it isn't that crazy what's crazy or why did none of them go to jail i wasn't around i mean i don't
know how old i was in 2008 i was a baby what what like why did they not go to jail? Solidarity between the ruling elites.
Yeah, because all the politicians in Congress and shit like that are all paid off.
Just like how they all just...
Okay, so they're supposed...
Like, conservatives are supposed to be, like, conservative, right?
They're supposed to be conservative and save money.
That's what the whole...
What Doge was supposed to do.
And then they just increased the fucking, like, spending cap by, like, five trillion dollars.
Like, that's not saving.
They're just printing money.
Like, they're just printing more money now.
I didn't even pass their rates.
But this is so dangerous for so many reasons. a rush of seeing this shit, it would be so easy,
hypothetically,
to worm your way into our economy and just destroy us.
They've been trying for a long time.
I bet they're succeeding.
I don't know what you mean about trying.
I mean, they're succeeding in some ways,
but we're on to them.
I mean, it's not like they're doing it without us being aware they're doing it.
They're very far in already.
Oh, yeah.
Well, this is the problem with democracy and, like, freedom of speech.
It's like I always, I kind of, there's like an air of me joking about this.
But, like, for real, if you give a society freedom of speech and you educate them somewhat, everyone starts thinking they're a brainiac and they don't realize how susceptible to propaganda they actually are.
They're more susceptible to propaganda from external sources.
So it's like a society will never escape propaganda.
And that's the whole intention of freedom of speech it's the
whole intention of democracy is like our people are free but no we're not i mean the the um the
effects that the russian fucking bots had on the american um political discourse is fucking massive
we have like the whites versus the blacks. It's all anyone
talks about. We have men versus women. This didn't come out of thin air. It came from these fucking
bots and everyone bought it. And we just keep arguing. We are a house divided on, on ourselves.
It's, it's pathetic. It's like you, you give a society freedom of speech you think you're
giving them freedom but all you're doing is making making the society more susceptible
to propaganda from external sources and china and fucking russia are loving this shit the
the transgender non-binary discussion blah blah blah while it may be progressive while it may be
new and going forward,
it's like, where exactly are we going forward?
To fucking hell?
Like, what is the purpose of discussing these things ad nauseum if not to make the young men obsolete?
Now we have a country full of young men
that are wanting to be feminine.
And it's like, well, who's going to protect the country
if we go to war?
Well, a lot of that was spearheaded by a lot of corrupt politicians
back pushing the woke agenda that, you know,
you be whatever you feel that you are instead of fact.
And now it's gone crazy and everybody's got that groupthink going and groupthink is not always the smartest.
Yeah, I don't know if you guys are like into film or movies, but they made a movie about this stuff from back in the 80s.
And I have another profile that's on my banner or whatever.
It's called They Live.
It's with Ronnie Piper.
And it's about the whole propaganda machine.
But instead of like foreign countries, it's about the whole propaganda machine. But instead of, like, foreign countries,
it's actual aliens that are controlling us
via, like, propaganda. And, like,
these special
sunglasses that he finds can see
all the bullshit and see everything for what it is
and, like, see the aliens.
That's what I was thinking.
Like, I wish we had aliens. Maybe
that could unite us. Because it is
so sad. Like, if we have the internet, which allows us as a society or as a people, it gives us the potential of becoming a hive mind or like really progressing forward and working together. in China. And you can translate and like speak to them in like nanoseconds almost. So you can
have a conversation with someone on the opposite side of the planet. We should be coming together
and working together. It's so sad. Like it's so sad how much time we're wasting. And then when you
look at the planet, you look at earth, like we're susceptible to mass extinction we're not
super protective it's really scary how fast we're moving through space with like next to no i mean
if something huge comes and clashes in us we're fucking done this is something we should be
focusing on we should be coming together to focus on because we're gonna go extinct and it's a real
this is at least what i like about elon is at least he's pushing us in this direction we need
to be thinking about colonizing other planets but it's like so fucking ridiculous we're like trying
to head in that direction and then elon musk and fucking trump are having bitch fights it's like can we just fucking hold hands and
stop being racist and stop being fucking animals i mean jesus we're wasting time
it's always been in the interest of elites to keep us fighting against each other no matter
what the issues are culture wars whatever the latest flavor is, keep them busy with that.
The Romans were doing it a million years ago.
Bread and circuses.
Keep the people occupied.
Let them be able to just have just enough to meet their minimum requirements
and have them all scrambling and chasing cutthroat battles with each other
down at the low levels.
And they are up there unfazed.
So whether it's culture wars today, it'll be something else next week, next year.
Uh, that's my cynical take on politicians in general.
Politicians and the elites are our problems.
It's not our neighbor.
It's not who's white or black or who's conservative or who's liberal or, no, no, no, no, no.
That's the low level stuff stuff they got us fighting each other
about that's my two yeah politics is literally for poor people to keep you poor like you look
around you since i was a kid people are arguing about the same fucking shit parroting the same
fucking words back and forth back and forth back and forth you're not going to come to a conclusion
so what the fuck is like i guess you
could say there's a mechanism or a utility to a society fighting each other to balance each other
out like you have the right and the left fighting but the problem with that is it almost always
leads to communism and then everyone gets fucked and we do it all over again like there has to be
some escape from this stupid rat wheel.
I think there is.
New world order.
No, no, no, no, no.
Team humanity, whatever country, whatever I, I, I promote that.
I'm not a big thinker, so I don't have the whole geopolitical thing worked out in my head.
No new, not new world order or anything. I have no political philosophy, but what I believe in strongly is
solid bonds between human beings.
Let's find out how much we actually have in common.
I have no agenda other than that.
And let bigger brains than me figure out
what the order should be.
I have no clue what political systems are.
I'm not a political theorist.
I don't go anywhere near all that crap.
I'm just a yellow bear with a duck on my head
that believes in team humanity as a starting point.
I mean, that's a great starting point, honestly,
comparatively to the rest of the world.
I, yeah, comparatively to the rest of the world. I, yeah, really interesting.
I'm not sure because I hear like the
God, there's there's goofballs on here that talk about
God, what is it?
Homogeny or like separating races
in order to avoid conflict.
And they bring up like Scandinavian countries as an example.
But like I grew up in Sweden and when I was there,
we had many cultures surrounding this.
It wasn't a problem until it was like specific kinds of,
they like took in, I don't want to get i don't want
to get in trouble but yeah don't we know what you mean we know yeah but when i when i lived there
like i we had people all different all around the world um they already did have um they weren't like just a white country
they were already a sort of
mixing bowl of cultures
and it was fine
until
until the wrong
I guess counterculture
was introduced
so I mean honestly
that kind of happened here too
I mean really back I guess I mean, honestly, that kind of happened here too. I mean, really back, I guess,
I mean, I would say around Obama was really big on the Black Lives Matter movement and all that
was super heavy on just sowing division. And, and that whole thing, it, it, it separated us
and made us, you know, fight each other instead of instead of working
together and coming together and and it's it's basically the opposite of anything we should ever
have an ideology for yeah yeah black lives matter was just a big scam too they just stole a bunch
of fucking money that's all they fucking did well i mean but well this is why it's such a because you have a population of people
and i grew up in um man i feel like i'm gonna get in trouble i don't like talking about politics
there is a middle ground that is i think the truth is probably in the middle because if you've
ever grown up poor or been in poverty like uh i was in
foster care so right out of foster care i'm i'm in poverty poverty and the places i lived i was the
only white girl on the street this wasn't a coincidence like there is a wealth divide
that probably should not fucking be there.
Of like if you go into Philly, for example, like West Philly, there's a street where on the side of the street, everyone is in extreme poverty.
Everyone is working two jobs and selling drugs and is barely able to pay rent um which is problematic because then they have to
introduce drugs and then they're around drugs which makes being in poverty even worse but they
don't have a they don't have a choice and then you go across the street and everyone is white
or asian and it's wealthy and beautiful like you have one side of the street that's fuck it that i lived on
it was there's shit on the roads there's mattresses being thrown out of broken windows
there's like shootings every single fucking day and then on the other side everyone is wealthy and
as a poor person i really got to see, what the perspective of how unfair it truly was,
because I wasn't stupid. I wasn't, um, and the people around me weren't stupid either.
We were just trapped in a, and when I say trapped, I mean like trapped. There's almost no way out.
It's why I say like I made it out.
But it's why I say like they lie to us.
If you're in poverty, you are being kept there by a number of systems.
And the only way you're going to get out is if you're crafty and you think outside of the box.
Because it's designed to keep you there.
That's literally called a crap like that's why
they call it the trap yeah and let me interject let me slide in the air I guess
it's more visible it's more is more strikingly visible but there are vast
pockets of lots and lots and lots of white poverty too and they're in the
same damn trap I find that whole issue, yeah, there's history and blah, blah, blah,
but that is just like such an easy, divisive button to push.
No matter who, anybody who wants to get people pumped up,
that's the first go-to one.
It's so easy and so stupid.
It's easy because there's truth in it.
So when you start bringing it up and you start saying like, well, we have a black population in America that's suffering because their ancestors came here and basically built the country.
of the population that owned the other subset, and they're doing well, they were born into doing
well, well, this is true. So yes, it's like a very divisive, effective topic, and it's why those
Russian bots fucking are so effective. When you look at those Russian bots, the shit they say,
the shit they tweet out and whatever, it's always
like black versus white, man versus woman stuff.
It's our weakness.
But I guess like my issue with that when people get political is on the right, when they say
like the entire like BLM is ridiculous, it's like, well, it's not ridiculous.
That's that's why it works, because there's truth there.
It's why it's effective in being divisive.
There is a problem here.
And it's it's very complicated, because what do you say?
Do you say to the wealthy to the wealthy people that were born into it?
You need to give money to the poor. They're not going to do that. So what do you need to give money to uh the the poor they're not going
to do that so what do you do like what is the solution i don't fucking know this is why communism
happens this is and this is when this is when some communist asshole comes in and it works great
everybody yeah and it sounds great to everybody i got i got an observation and a question Zintani. Um, one is that, uh, black lives matter.
I think there was a genuine concern that started that off.
We all know what that was about, regardless of who was a drug addict,
whatever, whatever, there was a video that went worldwide.
However, I think that movement was quickly co-opted by what
was the movement that was being a drug addict, whatever, whatever. There was a video that went worldwide. However, I think that movement was quickly co-opted by,
what's the word when people take advantage of something?
And somebody made a pile of money out of that.
And there were these other people, it was infiltrated and whatever.
So that was just one big mess.
one big mess. The original impulse for it, I thought was, again, let me underline that I'm
The original impulse for it, I thought was,
sharing here from the perspective of a Canadian who was born into a well-off professional family.
Okay. So I've seen race through, not through the eyes of any poor black ghetto kid. I've had my own confrontations with racism in my face.
And, uh, but I determined a million years ago that nobody is going to determine
my quality of life or how my day is going to go.
So when people come at me with that and it's get, it's rare, but it's
been a constant factor of my life.
So when people, I mean, i move in circles i move in
all kinds of circles okay frailer parks to to i don't know whatever all right mansions but it's
funny to meet either the world there's so much variety okay class is a word that isn't used in America but class pays place
economic class is a huge factor in what one's life experience is going to be
regardless of race and what one's quality of life is going to be
regardless of race so just lumping people all together all the black people
live in the ghetto like whenever I hear that it's like oh come on that's just pure ignorance you're ruling out a huge black elite and that's as ignorant as saying oh white people
are trailer trash total effing ignorance all right we have a lot more in common than we have been led
to believe and i i'm colorblind when i go people, how come you don't call yourself? It's like, no, no, no. I'm a human being. I'm not my race. F that. That's, that's your problem. That's
not my problem. I'm me. I present myself as a human being. I speak the way I want to speak.
Yes, I can, I can, what do you call it? Tone shift or shift registers, depending on who I'm
talking with. But what does that mean? That just means I'm, I just means I'm just me. We all are multifaceted human beings.
And I think locking each other into these stupid categories is just sheer ignorance.
Don't believe the hype, y'all.
Yeah, there's a saying.
It's like small minds talk about people, regular minds talk about events know big people that can see the big picture
talk about ideas you know and so the more people start talking about ideas more you're going to
like kind of elevate yourself out of that those slums you know yes let's talk about ideas let's
talk about ideas i had another comment but i got excited there sorry i forgot something somebody
else said hey famous do you mind if i add something real quick? Sure. Not my stage, it's the Tani's.
So, as far as...
It's okay with you, Zimtani, right?
Okay.
Yeah, you can now.
She was joking.
Okay, sounds good.
So, just real quick on the points you were bringing up before we switch over to Eleanor Roosevelt's quote about ideas being spoken by great individuals.
You know, the current version of racism that we're dealing with right now is a astroturfed version created after occupy wall
street i don't know how old everybody in here is but i lived through the era of you know racism
when you were younger in the 80s that was like actually real and then the 90s where it was like
fading away and then the early 2000s where it was on life support where like we were all kind of a
post-racial society in the United States and not really
thinking about it. And then
Occupy Wall Street happened, and as
soon as it became class warfare,
it became clear that, hey,
we're starting to get really, really
leveraged. The 2008 financial
crisis happened. There was odd
mistakes done by the ultra-elite, and
they bailed themselves out through their
friends,
specifically Larry Summers and mistakes done by the ultra elite and they bailed themselves out through their friends uh specifically uh the larry summers and uh the uh you know when bear stearns you know the whole nine yards
as soon as occupy wall street happened the way they the elite and the rich uh co-opted that
movement was by funding deeply identity politics and that restarted these artificial fault lines that the United
States was naturally and organically, and still arguably organically, eliminating.
And these fault lines were initially cited by the redlining loans that were produced part of the
New Deal in Franklin Delano Roosevelt's era, where African Americans were barred from receiving those loans.
So wealth and the, as Thomas Piketty would describe, the patrimonial middle class of the United States
and the wealth owning class of the United States was primarily white because of the origination of the wealth
and the loans that was used to buy property in the United States.
So we were not, we weren't anywhere near fixing that, but we were on our way to at least
socially eliminating those tendencies and allowing capital to be distributed to everyone equally,
or at least with equity. And then the same bankers and the same elites co-opted identity politics as
a way of trying to divert from class that would occur in the 2008 crisis.
I think knowing, at least
giving a point or
a sentence or two on how we
got here, the history of how we got here,
is critical to giving it the
context and insight it deserves.
I like that. Thank you.
Great points
there. It's been
a great space. I have to head out, but it's been a pleasure chatting with you guys.
Oh, Sally.
I love Sally.
I'll just say for a second that, yeah.
Where is my Sally?
Where is Sally?
Come on, Sally.
Where is my Sally? There she is. Come on, Sally. Where is my Sally?
There she is.
One word from that last bit.
Identity politics.
Yeah, that's a huge thing these days.
I'll mute now. You want to talk to Sally?
Sally, my love.
Good morning,
lavender coffee drinker.
That's kind of weird, but that's okay.
Have you tried it?
Sally?
I think she's trying it right now.
Did she disconnect?
No way.
She came up to say that's weird that you drink lavender coffee and that's it?
No, she's out.
I guess she just wanted to make her coffee sentence and then bail.
Yeah, she just wanted to say you're fucking weird, bitch, with your lavender coffee.
Okay.
Point taken.
Wow.
He's still in here, though.
Yeah, I mean, Sally and I are...
We're at war. At least I'm at war with this bitch.
Every time she comes in here with her blonde hair and her skinny little body and her lean muscles,
all the attention goes to her.
And I'm sick of it, to be quite frank.
As you should be, my friend.
Yep.
What are you going to do about it?
Be passive aggressive.
Pretend to be your friend and then stab her in the back, secretly.
The typical girl stuff.
Why don't you use neuropsychopharmacology to change her habitus?
Like drug her?
No, no.
Do you know what?
What?
No, I didn't say that.
I'm just asking about your back.
Oh, okay.
That's what neuropsychopharmacology is, is drugs.
Sorry, I'm just reading a profile Is drugs Yeah I'm going to drug her
But if you were going to do it
What would you do?
Okay
If I was going to make her
Susceptible to
Brainwashing
That is interesting And that is interesting.
And that is like very neuropsychopharmacology, but I've never studied that.
I'm sure, I'm quite sure, I would guess psychedelics in combination with like some form of propaganda would be effective.
Oh my God, Oh my god I bet
I bet intelligence agencies
Know about this
Yes they do
Is this a clockwork orange?
Yeah well sort of like
A clockwork orange thing but like
No but as a real
Like I bet that would work
I bet that would genuinely work
Especially if you can give someone psychedelics in a way they don't realize that they had psychedelics.
So like the most susceptible people, the most susceptible people would be like people that haven't done psychedelics before.
And then you slip it into, I'm just thinking, is this a thing?
And then you slip it into, I'm just thinking, is this a thing?
It's a thing.
We're taking the CIA operation from 1950s and 60s.
Can you hear me?
Can you hear me?
Oh, thank you.
Yes.
Sorry, we're talking over the co-host, so I was just kind of confused.
No, I think they did that with the MKUltra experiments with the LSD over in California,
in California, right, where they brought cocaine and heroin into that area with LSD.
They were giving them drugs without their permission so they yeah they've been doing
psychedelics for a long time since Tony without people's permission and experimenting with the
CIA was see I'm so fucking smart I'm so fucking smart I'm so smart I'm so smart sorry host is
talking I'm so smart yeah that would work because you're flooding the brain with monoamines.
And especially, especially if they have never done drugs before or psychedelics before,
your brain on psychedelics and ketamine as well is way more plastic. So you're open to new ideas,
to rewiring your brain. So if you know you're on drugs, I imagine it's less effective.
But if you take someone like in Utah would be a great place. You take someone in Utah that's
never done any drugs. You slip it in. They don't know they're on drugs. And you start telling them
ideas of like, hey, agenda, agenda, feminist propaganda, or maybe like alt-right
propaganda, what the fuck ever, I could see them really changing their mind to fit whatever
they've been told.
What if they're micro-dosing us through our water?
It's not just turning the frogs gay
it's not just the fluoride it's that they're they're literally slipping it into the water
in certain cities and counties right and then you're drinking it just gradually with micro
dosing and then they just you go on your phone or your tv and boom now we have a bunch of crazies
you know like this is going into conspiracyville and usually i'd say like
that's ridiculous but potentially i mean potentially yeah that could work i don't
know what fluoride does to the brain i'd have to look into that but isn't the fluoride to keep the
water safe no it's not it's a bit bit of lie so like in the 1960s um the
fluoride companies they used to have to pay to expose the floor to get rid of the fluoride and
so then in a car won't make people think that fluoride's good for your bones and your teeth
and all this stuff and so then they were paying them to give it to them to put into their to the
water supply and guess what it's a neurot what? It's a neurotoxin.
It's a neurotoxin.
So when you're drinking fluoride, when you're brushing your teeth with fluoride, it doesn't make your teeth stronger.
It's a big fallacy.
They've lied to us.
We've bought into their big fat lie.
And we've been microdosing our kids with fluoride and neurotoxins.
That's why the IQ, especially in California, has gone down, I think, 5 or 10 percent or 5 or 10 points.
And if you take it while you're pregnant, it directly impacts your child because it depletes the body of that prenatal that you're supposed to take.
Oh, my gosh.
You're supposed to take it when you're pregnant.
Folic acid?
Yeah.
It depletes the body of folic acid. And when your
body's, when a woman's body is depleted of folic acid while she's pregnant, then it directly impacts
the body's, the IQ of the baby along with the fluoride. So fluoride depletes that body of that.
But taking a fluoride supplement, or not a fluoride, but, oh my gosh, sorry, that.
Folic acid, folate. Yeahate. Folic acid folate.
Yeah, folic acid folate.
So just taking that directly does not replenish it in the body.
There's other things that replenish it. But the doctors didn't want you to take this.
Anyway, there's your science for the day.
If you want it naturally, everyone should have it in their diet.
Leafy greens.
Fluoride?
No, folate.
Folic acid.
Fluoride is a neurotoxin.
It is good for the surface of your teeth.
But yeah, it's found in rat poison.
And with the babies, if you put fluoride in their formula, I mean, breast is best if you can breastfeed, but not everyone can breastfeed.
So little babies are being dosed with the fluoride water as well.
So I actually go, there's a website called Find a Spring.
And I go and I get spring water.
I don't know if that's safe.
I don't recommend, this is not health advice But I just go and I get spring water
To avoid the fluoride water
Sorry, I had a
Well, hold on, I want to bring
Things
Back to a medium
Just with, like, my background
In neurosciences
I hear you, I want to look into it
But saying that something is a
Neurotoxin,
it could be true, but it's not necessarily bad. Like if you're saying...
I'll send you some research on it.
Yeah. Yeah. Because when you're looking at... I mean, I'm interested. I'm interested. But
there's this sort of idea, I think, just because neurology is not a part of our education system
in general. We're not educated on this. So there's a lot of misunderstandings and
miscommunications about brains. But the synopsis is, and you learn it very quickly in probably any
scientific field, is there is no good brain or bad brain. There is no good drug or bad drug.
You have chemicals that react with the brain in certain ways. Some of them may be in good ways.
Some of them may be in bad ways, depending on your perspective. So when you say something like
a neurotoxin, you know, you could say this about nicotine as well.
But nicotine is not all bad.
It's actually a nootropic.
It can be quite beneficial for certain types of brains, especially if they have, like, there's some weird,
God, there's weird type, like, mutations that allow certain brains to really benefit off of nicotine. I know that sounds weird. I'm not promoting that kids start smoking cigarettes or anything, but there are
brains that we know benefit almost across the board from cigarettes, from nicotine.
Obviously, this is not most of the time, but it is still a neurotoxin. It's just not
necessarily always bad. I just want to say, just put that out there.
Yeah, for sure. I think that's a really great approach to be measured.
Mrs. Cappy, just let me jump in real quick because I am multitasking because I am working
while I'm helping.
Yeah, no problem.
And then, but so I'll send you, so if you look up the lawsuit that's been taking place in California, I think it's been 10 years.
I've been trying to sue to get all the data released, but they've, they've got the scientific
data, uh, the neurotoxin actually does lower the IQ.
So whether that's a good thing or a bad thing, I'm assuming lower IQ is a bad thing, but
you can do your own research.
Cause I, that would be a good conversation where, you know, the neuro to have, because
I would like to understand it at a deeper level.
I know it at a surface level.
Yeah.
I think my own IQ is lowered, honestly.
Fluoride also occurs naturally in some water.
So, for example, I live out by the Rocky Mountains.
And the river, like the clean water that we get from the mountains,
it has a lot of fluoride just from dissolving the minerals in the water.
So sometimes even going to like a natural spring,
you might not actually be getting fluoride-free water either.
So it's just something to keep in mind.
But like you said, we don't know if it's necessarily fully good or fully bad.
There's arguments on both sides.
I'd like to, I, yeah, I'd like to explore this.
What Sally said for it having, if it, if it truly like lowers IQ, I don't,
I highly doubt this was some conspiracy because that's not good for the country.
Like when we start talking about conspiracies and people start talking about like, oh, COVID was to eliminate the human population for the billionaires to benefit the billionaires.
It's like that doesn't make any sense.
That's retarded.
Billionaires want more worker slaves.
If you don't have the billionaires don't have worker slaves, the poor people, they're not they're not at the top.
They're not making as much money.
You disagree, Sally? Yeah, I disagree. Because I mean, if you understand the Luciferian agenda
and all that goes along with that, the goal is to depopulate because it gives them control,
because they're going to have everything that they need. And they already have robots now.
Like, yeah, that's what they've done with our school system. When people are dumber,
they're easier to control, whether it's to, right, because you're always going to have your smarter people.
But when people are, like, dumb and they think more emotional instead of logical, they're easier to control.
They're easier to brainwash.
It's more difficult to brainwash.
Sally, have you heard about fluoride making people more docile as well to be more controllable?
Well, no, I have not gone that far i just know those iq
and i know that people with lower iq are more easily to control because they but they believe
everything almost all um psych meds have fluoride in them like antipsychotics it fluoride is actually
there to make you more docile is what i've heard yes but that also this is why like conspiracies
it gets tricky here because when you're looking at like treating something like bipolar, for example, people like to think that big pharma has like some like terrible agenda. sunshine. But you truly are facing like a really difficult, complex problem when we don't have
something like Neuralink that is, that we can use. Because, okay, so like, I'm going to spit
some facts in here and maybe it could cause some damage in someone's life. So I, I, I'm an advocate
for individualism here. So I would say just do not, you're responsible for your own life.
But for example, if you have a depressed person and you look at the brain, depression is,
there's two main types of depression, but truly what it is, is not enough dopamine.
I know everyone says serotonin, but that's the safe answer. It is
safer to say serotonin because if you regulate serotonin, hypothetically, the dopamine will
start evening itself out. But truly, if you want to be like real about it, the fastest, easiest way to treat depression would be monoamine agonists.
So cocaine, literally.
I know this sounds insane, and it is insane, because you cannot give a chemical like cocaine
to someone that is bipolar.
That person, it could send them into hypomania and they kill themselves.
You know, you cannot have a population of people that
you're giving these, these drugs to treat them with. So like when you're looking at antipsychotics,
yes, it does dumb them down, but it's truly like a difficult, it's a difficult decision.
You as the psychiatrist have to make, um, there, there's not a better alternative we we just don't have the
we don't have the science for it right now if that does that make sense like so you look at
ssris it's like yes it does dumb you down yes it gives you memory problems yes blah blah blah
but we it's the safest it's the safest solution we have.
I would respectfully disagree that it's safe.
Yes. I don't think it's safe because I've had family members on them who can't get off.
Antipsychotics or SSRIs?
A whole cocktail, you name it.
Anyways, and I've had suicides in my family and all sorts of stuff on these drugs and people trying to get off of them, all sorts of situations.
If you look at the inserts on these drugs, that's when I started questioning it, when I actually read the medical information inside the packages of these drugs or on the bottles I was like holy shit these are not safe so I would disagree I would say that
things like exercise exercise a structure having more programs yes such as things like yeah I don't
think that the pills are actually a solution I think that they make a lot of money that was me
I muted your entire room because I need to know if you do hands in Tani or if you just have people jump in.
I have no idea, but I like what's happening here.
No, Kathy, you're absolutely right.
I just didn't want to hog the space and monologue forever in something that potentially would be boring to people.
But you're absolutely right.
And I'd say most, most, most cases, um, everyone in
here knows someone bipolar, right? Probably you think about it, you know, someone bipolar. Um,
this is a lie actually, but bipolar is not a common thing. Um, what we, the issue is money, resources.
When you are a psychologist, you are diagnosing someone based on their behaviors.
You know what also looks like bipolar?
Fucking BPD.
Fucking a spread of all the cluster B personality disorders.
Fucking being traumatized in a traumatized state in your life.
You can exhibit bipolar behaviors.
So in a healthy utopian society, if someone is coming in with these behaviors, we would not
diagnose them based on a self-assessment. We have to do this because we don't have the resources.
We don't have the money. But what
Kathy is saying is absolutely true. There is this idea that tons of people are bipolar and have this
super rare neurodegenerative disorder. It's like, you should ask yourself, how many people with
cerebral palsy do you know? Everyone in here? Probably not many. Probably not one. Unless
you're like in a specific area with people with cerebral palsy. Bipolar is much the same. So why
is it we see so many people with bipolar? And this is where we get into like danger zone territory
of if you give someone lithium who does not have a neurodegenerative brain, you're giving that
person now a neurodegenerative brain. you're giving that person now a neurodegenerative brain.
They may have just been going through a traumatic experience and they're exhibiting bipolar symptoms.
But to the psychiatrist, what do you do in that situation? This person could be violent.
They need some sort of medication so that their behavior is in check, that we need this for society. What do we do here?
The truth is exactly what, is it Catherine? Exactly what Catherine was saying. Also,
the idea that chemical imbalance, everyone keeps saying chemical imbalance, and they keep
saying it over and over again until everyone believes it. Most of the time, vast majority of the time, you are not chemically imbalanced and depressed.
You are most likely depressed because something is wrong with your life.
That is what depression is for.
It is your body telling you something is wrong.
And exactly what Catherine is saying, until that person exercises every single
day, has a family that loves them, is socializing properly with friends, is eating well, is sleeping
on time on a schedule, has some sort of fulfilling work environment, you cannot say that that person is bipolar or has a chemical disorder that makes them depressed.
But the problem is, can we give a new family to a grown adult?
Where do we do that?
We can't.
It's not a simple, but she's absolutely correct. If you are depressed, as an individual, as an adult, as someone having autonomy over your
own life, you need to be exercising 20 minutes a day, getting your heart rate up, 20 minutes minimum,
eating well, sleeping on schedule, socializing to the best of your ability, join a club,
meet people, interact with people. And then, and then if you are still sad, if you are still depressed, then you go to the
psychiatrist, period.
But the problem is, you know, most people have to go to work in the morning and they're
there.
They feel like they're walking through the mud and they're very depressed and they need
help.
And this is where it like gets into the reality of like,
we live in a dog eat dog world.
If you are too weak to get up,
it's like realistically,
you can't expect these people to help themselves
because many people's lives are genuinely depressing
and they cannot get themselves out of it.
So you're completely right. but the fact of the matter is
like if you're poor if you don't have the money or the resources for the help you need
yeah then you have a you have a pill and then you have a decision you need to make
are you going to take the pill are you going to take the pill or are you going to i don't know
find the find the strength to try and change your life?
Do you know what's funny though?
It wasn't funny that you say that is if, cause I, I had to go, I had PTS.
So I did have to take medication and I refused for a good year, right?
Cause I didn't want to take any medications, but while I was taking the antidepressant,
I was making sure.
And the goal was to make it temporary. And, but I was eating well, I was taking the antidepressant, I was making sure, and the goal was to make
it temporary.
But I was eating well.
I was taking my D3, my basic vitamins, right?
Your D3, your B12, your bag, not these fancy things, just your basic vitamins, eating well
and exercising.
And after about six months, I accidentally forgot to take them for a month.
I was like, I feel really, really good.
And when I realized that I wasn't taking them and there was no change, and my mood was really good, I was like, I feel really, really good. And when I realized that I wasn't taking them and there was no change in like, my mood was really good. I was like,
I don't need to go. I don't know to go back on them. I accidentally weaned myself off by
accidentally not taking them for a month because I just felt good. So I forgot to take them. And
that was my body saying, you don't need this anymore. That is very dangerous for anyone
listening, depending on what, like, if you're on SSRIs, never go cold turkey. You want
to wean off always. You can cause brain damage, but, but it sounds good for you. I mean, you'll
feel it if it was good. Yeah. Yeah. It was for me. Like, and I knew that, and I was told I couldn't
wean off of it, but I realized it had been a month and I hadn't feel it. I would never recommend or
tell anyone to ever, ever, ever, ever, ever cold turkey, go off any antidepressant because it can make you very, very suicidal, make you feel like life's not worth living. And that is a reality
because I didn't want to take them at first. So I did do that. And those are the feelings it gives
you. So I'm just saying that that works for me. I would always do it in conjunction with a doctor
and do it the proper way if you want to get off of them. I want to offer a historical point here for you guys,
actually. You know, when we talk about the IQ reduction on a global or population level scale,
probably the most profound example of that in modern history, and I say specifically modern
history, is leaded gasoline. And I think this is something we don't, you know, in the field of neurosciences,
we know existed, but we don't talk about that often.
Obviously, the SSRI world is its own controversial world in the scientific community
because of the quality of the literature produced by the field of psychiatry specifically.
because of the quality of the literature produced by the field of psychiatry specifically.
But in general, leaded gasoline was an interesting population experiment
because that was a clear, very clear population-level IQ decrease
across the entire globe or country, at least.
And we know that that played a large part in the generation of the baby boomers and the early Gen X populations' ability to mature their air and water supplies are the Millennials and Gen Zs.
And it's just very interesting to see the dynamic between the two.
And that's never brought up, even though that is obviously a global scale event that's rarely discussed.
But that's a devil's advocate point on fluoride and its distribution of water supplies by aluminum smelters and by these other corporations that produce fluoride as a byproduct.
Because we already have had a global and population scale event where we've reduced IQs.
And for whatever reason, we decided to get rid of that.
we decided to get rid of that. So just as a counterpoint.
So just as a counterpoint.
Yeah, I, I, I just going back to what we were talking about initially, I will say, um, I don't think the idea that there is a billionaire, like one head of billionaires that is setting in motion an agenda to depopulate the planet.
There certainly, I certainly think there are people making agendas.
The only thing I'm countering is that this is something like all
billionaires are in on. Like you have to understand we live in a capitalistic world now. So we've got
a bunch of people that are world elites and they have their own ideas and their own wants and
wishes and ideas for the way the world should go. So it is, it is, um, it's something that should be brought to mind is like our own biases. And
something that should be kept in mind is that it actually is a comfort to us to believe,
and this is subconscious largely, it is a comfort to believe that there is an agenda, a Illuminati that is in control of everything on the planet
and that they are pushing us towards something. And the reason that's comforting is because the
reality is that we're on a rock in space hurling at massive speeds and no one person knows what to do.
No one knows where we're going or what we should be doing. So the idea that someone is putting into motion some agenda
and everything is planned and everything goes according to their plan,
it is comforting to us because at least someone is in control.
And that's what I'm saying is, like, I don't think that's the case. I think we are on a rock curling through space and yes,
people are trying, but no one has it fully thought out.
Take the money part out of it, Zantani, and say if this wasn't about money,
if it wasn't these billionaires who were trying to stay rich, take the financial out of
it. Because if it wasn't about having the society where everything is built off of being able to
purchase things, right, having the service industry where someone else is always doing something for
these billionaires, take the money out of it and maybe look at it from an angle of control. Because
control? Because I don't think billionaires are trying to do this. But I think there might,
I don't think billionaires are trying to do this. But I think there might, there's other people,
there's other people, not groups of people, but there might be individuals who are doing it
through a means of controlling, not trying to make money off of them. What would your thoughts be on
that? I certainly think there are, I certainly think there are agendas. I just don't think
there's any single agenda that has no pushback. Like if you are a
world elite, you're not a part, you're not automatically a part of some club. That's all
I'm saying. It's like, it's not 100%. And I agree with Sally personally.
Yeah. It's like, once you have enough money, like what does it even matter anymore? Now it's like once you have enough money like what does it even matter anymore now it's just
all the billionaires is pvp at this point so they're literally just playing to win
it's not even about the money
i'd like to offer a thought um it's an interesting thought exercise but imagining away money in
today's world i i just don't see it the
world money makes the world go around we know that and then let's get back to
billionaires or some elites or somebody billionaires and their companies or
anybody they need customers customers are people who what who in their right
mind is gonna like try to whittle down their customer base I frankly I don't
see it and no that's enough
from me what i will say is that for free what if you get that for free right because if you they
wanted to control you and they find a way to get you to do that for three free right versus pay for
it so you're still a customer that you just don't you just don't have to um they don't have yeah it's
free i'm not articulating that well.
I can see it in my head.
I'm trying to say it.
Okay.
Here's another thought.
We are already controlled.
We are already controlled.
Whoever is the smartest person in this room, we are being influenced, whether we like it or not.
So just thinking for yourself takes major effort every single day.
We are already controlled.
How much more do they want?
Everything we say here is being recorded and registered and fed into Grok.
I mean, what's this extra control?
What?
I don't get it.
Anyway, enough from me.
Okay, I'm done.
However, what I will say is, everybody, please follow your host and your co-host.
Subscribe if they have subscriptions open. And I'm looking at some numbers here okay there are 55 people in this space who've been
hanging on here and obviously following and enjoying the conversation we only have nine
reposts that is not acceptable please repost or quote post the space. And that's enough from me.
Thank you very much.
Did you know that's actually counterproductive?
It's not a good way to manipulate the space.
Speaking of manipulating people, if you guilt trip people for not retweeting, they're much less likely to actually retweet.
What you should say is like, no, just like the more you know like in terms of like
manipulating people what you should say is like hey guys retweet the space if you want to thank
you so much for being here and supporting me that's very manipulative thank you do you guys
know that i i wrote that down thank you it's highly manipulative yeah the most manipulative
people they they come across as like, they look at like animal psychology.
If you read Machiavelli or like a lot of these, like 48 Laws of Power, a lot of it's like animal psychology.
Like think about training a dog.
You can beat a dog to train it, I guess, but it's much less likely to learn quickly, right? Because now
it's, you're losing trust with that dog. So you could think of it like, hey, retweet the space,
retards, losers. It does the same thing to their brain that it does to a dog when you hit it,
where the dog is like, I don't know why I'm being hit right now. Oh my God. Whereas if you teach the dog with treats, you're like, Hey, want a treat? Want a treat? You say
like, thank you guys so much for doing this nice thing. They also talk about this in like books
for women to manipulate men. If you, if you thank a man, uh, he's much more likely to do whatever you're like, see, like it's very dehumanizing, but it's true.
So what is your point? Either way seems manipulative to me. Be all nice and sweet and
seduce with your words as a woman, or just, you know, issue a direct command and say, hey,
maybe, yes, there is some guilt involved in my approach, but what else are we going to say? It's like you can rule through fear, but those tend to go poorly, you know.
The people tend to revolt if you're ruling through dominance.
But if you rule through, like, you know, a lot of people talk about Obama, but Obama, man, I look at that man and I'm like, Christ that guy is good at what he does he is so
charismatic you want to like him I know a lot of people are here are political and they hate him
and stuff but listen I mean looking at that guy it's like a master class in how to make a room
look up to you I've never seen a video of Obama being cringe. In fact, I'm looking for it. If
someone has a video of that man being cringe, please show me. I've seen him like do things
that would be cringe, but then somehow he very suavely gets out of it. And then the people that
hate him hate his policies, but he got away with it largely because he was just so loved i mean the guy was just
manipulative as fuck i bet you he's read all the machiavelli books that guy that guy knows what
he's doing yeah just to add to what zintani was saying if you make the reward ratio variable
that is the most successful approach I agree. I know all about that. I know all about that. That's what these platforms are built upon. Random rewards for your posts and
likes and dislikes. But what about this? I'm enjoying this.
I mean, I'm not maddering. I'm enjoying this conversation.
So everything is manipulative, basically. I like my approach, to be quite honest.
I put cards on the table. Yes, I'm playing to your guilt.
Are you enjoying this space? Well, maybe your friends would do it. So everything is manipulative, basically. I like my approach, to be quite honest. I put cards on the table.
Yes, I'm playing to your guilt.
Are you enjoying this space?
Well, maybe your friends would too.
How about sharing it along?
I don't feel bad about putting forward that approach.
It's like that has motivated me in the past. What Lewis is doing right here is he's explaining to you how to be in a cult and how to be a cult leader, right?
Because fear, guilt, shame, and insult, that is like the qualities of a cult leader. So right now he's using the fear tactics. So he's on his way to
being the next cult leader. You can move to Utah. I think we could find an amazing cult here for you.
I know, but that's not, but that's what I'm saying is like, that's not the full story.
The cult leader starts out being very welcoming. He finds what's missing in your life and he says, hey, you don't have a
family? I'm a family. We love you. We'll love you. You have a place here. You're welcome here. You're
valued here. And then incrementally starts with the, ugh, you know, what are you doing? What are
you offering us? This family, I don't know if we even want you anymore Like that's the real
You know, it doesn't start out
The cult leader is like, fuck you
Join the cult right now or else
You know
Sounds like a corporate job
So am I a cult leader?
No, no
You're good, listen, everybody
You can work on that
He's absolutely a cult leader, guys, come on now We're not trying to be all serious, we're trying to make light And have a little bit work on that. He's absolutely a cult leader. Guys, come on now.
We're not trying to be all serious. We're trying to make light
and have a little bit of fun here. He's absolutely a cult leader.
Okay, well,
I want to join the cult. Can I be your first
member? Yeah, you've got to have a bear suit.
Get a bear suit and we're talking.
Oh, yeah! You know, I have a copy
of The 48 Laws of Power in front of me.
I highly recommend this book.
I did it on
audibles, but I reference
the hard copy now and then.
I like it because
if you don't
understand these strategies,
like, there were so many times where
my life was destroyed by people
playing these power games, and I didn't know.
I was just like, la, la, la, you know, like,
I'm a camp counselor, everything's great, and all of a sudden I'm being slandered and fired or like whatever
you're in university and all of a sudden people are filing false complaints against you
or whatever right so like people play power games they make power moves and one of the things that
Robert Green says in the book is that like learn learn how to stop resenting the person, see them as just
like if you were playing chess, and someone makes a power move, you don't get mad about it. You're
like, okay, they're playing the game. That's how they're playing it. I'm going to play it this way.
And I'm going to play it with integrity, because that's something I value. If that person doesn't value integrity, me being resentful is just going to harm myself.
So move on, see their moves, strategize so that you don't get taken out. So I think that this
book is also really, really good to stop you from being taken out by people who, so you're not
susceptible to being sucked into a cult. So you're not
susceptible with being walked all over or having your life destroyed surreptitiously or overtly.
So read the 48 Laws of Power. I think it's a good one.
I got 48 Laws of Power. It makes me feel too it may be i call it my psychopath simulator book
i have it on my mental illness uh bookshelf along with uh why men love bitches but the sick thing
about it is it's true is like um a lot of people when i talk about this stuff they think i'm some
evil gremlin or something that i like go around manipulating people. But the reality is
like how I realized this was going on is like, I really am autistic. I know it doesn't, it doesn't
always seem like it. Like people, especially if you compare me to like an autistic man,
we don't look the same. But when I was a kid, it was way more obvious. I was, when I was a kid, it was way more obvious. When I was a little girl, the other kids did not like me. And I was like, okay, what the fuck is going on here? And so I started studying human behavior. And I started realizing at a very, very young age, I noticed, oh my God, there is a hierarchy.
There is a hierarchy. Any congregation of people, you have even two people they engage in this hierarchy largely subconsciously
instinctually so like you'll see in people's body language they may not cognitively know who's a
but every single um every single dynamic has one sorry Sorry, I got a call. Every single group in school, blah, blah, blah.
And so I started noticing these things. And I noticed like, if you ask a neurotypical person,
do you know where you are in your friend group in the hierarchy? They don't. They'll say,
friend group in the hierarchy? They don't. They'll say, no, we're all just friends. No,
you're not. That's your leader. You know, when that person says something or doesn't like someone
in the group, you listen to them. You submit to this person. You do it in your body language,
in your mannerisms, in your behaviors. And so like I noticed these things and then I started
noticing, yeah, the power plays, the people Also, people do them instinctually. They do them automatically. They learn what works for them and what doesn't work for them. And then you have certain people like narcissists who sort of do it instinctually but also learn the game and they're doing it intentionally. And then you have autistic people that can see the narcissist
very easily because we have to learn how to show other people that we have good intentions.
So it may look like manipulation, but it's truly just with autism in particular, it's generally
speaking, they don't have less empathy.
They have more.
If you look neurologically at an autistic person, you may think they're very rude and they don't like you and whatever.
But no, the truth is like they just don't know how to show you that they want to be your friend.
Does that make sense?
But these power plays, you know, when I talk about them, some of them are literally just being healthy.
Like the most, it was interesting I found recently is I was asking Chachubiti.
There was a situation I had with a man who was making a power play.
I was like, okay, well, I don't like the power position he's doing.
So I asked Chachubiti, what is the most effective manipulation tactic for this situation?
And it gave me a list of things.
And I was thinking about it.
I was like, this sounds familiar.
And I was like, Chachabiti, what is the healthiest way to go about this as a person maintaining their own boundaries?
It was the same list.
So sometimes manipulation in power games is not always like you're scheming and blah, blah, blah.
Sometimes it's literally just self-respect, maintaining boundaries.
So you can look at it from a perspective of manipulation,
or you could look at it from a perspective of just being a responsible, self-caring adult.
Or to keep it simple stupid, it is survival of the fittest. You
learn how to survive and sometimes manipulation through a positive way or a negative way
is a way of survival. Go ahead, Harmony. Hey, ladies. Love this space already. I was just thinking about, do you guys remember Jonestown, Jim Jones,
or those cool people with the Nike shoes that were, they all just drank this poison and died?
What do you think was going through their mind? Because they were all in a cult, you know,
they thought they were going to get on a, I don't know. I don't know about
Jonestown, but I know the Comet people thought they were going to go to a different planet if
they all killed themselves. Yeah. What were the Comet people's names? What was the name of that
cult? Oh, it's on the tip of my tongue. But I know they all had black Nike shoes. And if you try to
find those black Nike shoes, that same brand, they're worth like a lot of money if you try to find those black Nike shoes that same brand they're worth like a lot of
money if you find them Jim Jones it was an MK ultra experiment you guys should dig deeper into
it because it's not what we were told really I know Jonestown still exists like it's in the
jungle somewhere and you have to like CIA just you know he was CIA um and he you know and you know that
they all deal in trafficking of human beings I mean how did this guy have an orphanage of a bunch
of kids so yeah there's a lot more and I don't want to go into it because I'd have to pull up
notes but it's very fascinating I've covered it before in a space and on a live stream it's pretty
fascinating but without the CIA there are still cults where people do really horrible, crazy things.
I mean, I love hot yoga, and people think that's a cult.
It kind of is.
I'm enjoying myself.
What's wrong with enjoying yourself in the cult?
Yeah, I mean, some cults probably are benign, but hot yoga, you should be aware that it can affect your hormones as a woman. It's better. What the fuck but hot yoga you should be aware that it can uh affect your hormones as a woman
it's better what the fuck is hot yoga is it yoga while being hot
oh oh temperature hot yeah it's 103 for 90 minutes with 46 percent humidity
yeah it's crazy like in a sauna?
Like, where's the heat coming from?
I gotta go, but this is a really good space.
Thanks for having me up on stage.
Listen, this isn't an airport, okay?
We don't need to announce the departures.
Well, I just wanted to say thank you.
It's been a really good space, actually.
Very good.
See, I'm starting to integrate my cult tactic where I'm, you know,
I've been nice and welcoming, and now I'm going to start shitting on people.
Come on.
Yeah, let's all shit on each other.
I mean.
Sure.
There you go.
Harmony, what the fuck?
I've done hot yoga, both Bikram and some other kind. There you go. Harmony, what the fuck?
I've done hot yoga, both Bikram and some other kind.
Bikram actually was a cult leader and he molested tons of women.
Look up B-I-K-R-A-M. I get that, but wait a second.
Before we do the slander on the guy.
You molested a bunch of people?
What do you mean I did that?
No, Bikram.
He said Bikram molested a bunch of people
Harmony said I did that
Bikram is a form of yoga Zantani
he invented the style
of yoga that's hot and brought it
to America from India
yes and so
he got a me too movement pulled
on him so it's subjective
if you want to believe everything
but I still want to get my
teacher's certification. If he offers me to go to coffee, I don't have to say yes.
Why don't you do the regular yoga? Is it because you can't get as deep into the stretches?
Am I a regular person?
No, no. The regular yoga though is you're less likely to go.
Not me.
Well, you're less likely to get heat exhaustion.
Everyone.
I like heat exhaustion.
I like being exhausted.
It feels good.
Harmony is, I've never heard her this defensive.
Maybe she is in a cult.
I love it. I have no idea what hot yoga is.
I just, I'm listening to Harmony.
I mean, she's, she's very, almost aggressive about it.
I mean, she shitted on us a second ago.
So I have a 200 hour, I have a 200 hour Iyengar, sir.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
I keep, I'm muting my mic and you keep speaking over me.
Okay.
Sorry.
You're okay, but let's pay attention just a little
because I would like to have a good conversation.
I am working in the middle. So if I'm muted i have like three seconds to talk um oh i lost my train of thought the the as a personal trainer of 18 years you can go into
all of the hormones of this that the body at the end of the day it's not a one size fits all for
every single person for every exercise every program or even every single food
we're all different you have to listen to your body you have to do what works for you i drink a
gallon of water go into a sauna and i stretch i've created my own yoga pilates and i feel amazing
when i do that and i look amazing when i do that right so it's not what you drink a gallon of water
well gradually like right so they hydrate hydrated because you're sweating like mad.
Oh, Jesus Christ.
I could never be healthy.
You guys are maniacs.
Maniac, maniac.
Wait, Sally, I didn't mean to interrupt you, Sally no I was done I just wanted to say that like
when we're having these conversations to bring all the science into it it's just like even like
when you're taking drugs for antidepressants you can't just give one and it works for that person
everyone is different and so hot yoga is going to work amazing for some people it your body when
it's warmer it has more flexibility it can stretch further and it really can i've seen
it cure a lot of back pain and heal a lot of people for someone who's probably menopausal
and has hormone issues it might be bad for her hormones so you have to listen to your body and
do what makes you ultimately feel good and that's all i had to say that's fair however i would give
a caution i feel obligated as a certified 200 hour yoga instructor to give caution to the women in my courses, explaining to them that as a woman, not as a menopausal woman, but as a woman, hot yoga has been shown to have effects on women's hormones that can get them to stop menstruating and have problems.
So that is just something that they need to be aware of.
And then they can decide.
I hope that happens to me. hate frustrating Jesus well they can decide for themselves depending on if
they're trying to get pregnant it can cause problems with uh possibly with the pregnancy
um and then another thing that people need to be aware of for male or female is that when if let's
say you don't practice yoga on a regular basis and all you do is hot yoga,
or you don't stretch, you're not athletic naturally, and you just, you're going into a hot yoga class,
you know, it's your first experience, it's trendy, you are far more likely to be injured.
So Sally, yeah, someone like you.
This is propaganda.
Someone, Sally, like you're conditioned, you know conditioned, your body has been to extremes,
but a lot of people that
aren't athletic on a regular
basis can possibly have more
likelihood of getting injured in hot yoga.
I love you, but
this is misinformation.
Propaganda against my cult
is wild.
She said,
she said,
fuck,
fuck,
fuck,
fertility,
hot yoga.
I thought,
I really thought hot yoga was just yoga while being sexy.
yeah,
you know,
you can be sexy.
It helps with your confidence because if you can make it past that without all
the excuses, because trust me, you want to die almost every time, like a part of you almost dies.
But it's like being able to get yourself off the ground and just carry on. That's what gives you
the confidence and motivation. And if you just keep showing up, you'll see results. Like I lost 30
pounds. I used to be a little more heavyset and I lost a lot of weight. And I also go to the gym
too. So it's a balance. You know what I mean? I just, I love it. And it's like a drug. I don't
want to force anybody else to do it. But if they see that I'm enjoying myself, then, you know,
I'll be a gateway. I'm just not trying to force it on anybody else see that i'm enjoying myself then you know i'll be a gateway i'm just
not trying to force it on anybody else if that makes any sense over here i did hot yoga some
years ago thoroughly enjoyed it i did both there's hot yoga with bikram and i don't care to discuss
whether bikram was a good or a bad guy i've've read enough. I'm satisfied. I don't care. There's Bikram hot yoga and then other styles of hot yoga.
I've enjoyed both.
Little anecdote.
One day, middle of the summer, Montreal, Mr. Lunatic over here decides, yeah, I'll go
to a hot yoga class, but I'm not going to take my car.
I'm going to ride in 105 degree heat to hot yoga class.
It's an hour ride.
I do an hour of hot yoga and then i ride home
in the heat and just collapsed i wouldn't advise that but one hour of hot yoga is just amazing in
how you feel afterwards once once you recover because i'd come out of there almost half
conscious but holy cow does that ever feel great i've never felt anything quite like that and and
like you harmony i'm not advocating i'm going to say anybody has to do anything.
Everybody's the boss of themselves.
I enjoyed it.
That's just my personal experience.
It's an amazing cult.
If you're going to get into one, I mean, why not?
You see the hottest girls there.
Everyone's working really hard.
And you don't have any down effects.
There's no like, oh, I regret sweating that much.
That doesn't come up every so often.
You know, it's like, yes, I did that.
I feel good about myself.
As a guy who was often the only male in the class,
I definitely can attest to the fact that it is enjoyable
and everybody looks happy.
Everybody is glowing, male and female.
There's something really special what goes on there.
Cause it's almost like when I was in the army and we're going through an
ordeal together.
It's really a different plane.
And yeah,
I'm still not,
I'm not buying,
not buying into the cult angle.
I know you're famous in your phone.
And the thing is about hot yoga is it's so hot that you
can't take your phone in there. That's the one thing I like too. Even the Apple watches start
going in there. So it's good because you're doing something as a group. You can take your phone
everywhere with an ice pack. Yeah, they don't let you because the phone like literally dies in there
because it's it says that overheating on your phone i have no idea what any of this shit is
this is very off-brand for me i did buy a pilates machine because i noticed the pilates girls have
the hottest bodies yeah i spent like four,000 on a Pilates machine.
I'm going to get into that.
But I don't know what I'm doing.
What are they called?
An inverter or something?
A reformer.
A reformer, yeah.
Those are really good.
My friend lost like 200 pounds.
He was really heavy and got one of those and lost so much weight.
When I saw him, I was like, dude, you're shredded because he had one.
I mean, I just noticed that like, and this is why I really honestly, I've always needed a Sally in my life.
But to be honest, like, it's just too much upkeep, man.
Give me one thing I need to do.
But I noticed when I've tried to be athletic, my body gets less attractive.
My body gets less attractive.
So I don't know if it's my shape or what the fuck ever, but I love my natural shape.
I just have a tendency of putting on weight.
And I've noticed with the Pilates girls, they have similar body shapes to me.
They're just leaner.
And I don't know if I can look like that, but I want to.
But when I've tried like exercising,
I notice I put on muscle around my waist
and I have a teeny, teeny, tiny waist.
I don't want muscle there.
You're like me.
So like as a personal trainer for what I did
is I trained like figure competition, bodybuilding.
So sculpting your body to be the way
that you want to look, right?
You say, oh, I want this or that.
And that's what you do. A lot of people do a lot of sit-ups, a lot of crunches, a lot of this. And if you want to look, right? You say, oh, I want this or that. And that's what you do.
A lot of people do a lot of sit-ups,
a lot of crunches, a lot of this.
And if you do them wrong,
you will increase your waistline.
Like doing side crunches
or doing a lot of twisty stuff
is going to increase the muscles on your sides.
And if you're already someone who gains muscle easily,
that's going to make you square
instead of symmetrical with an hourglass waistline.
So it's more just making sure
that you're avoiding exercises.
That like when I train people for competitions i never ever had them do side crunches or lateral crunches or anything like that that would that would increase that muscle on the side of their
waistline yeah i have a i have a 25 inch waist which is already ridiculous. And then I have a 42, 42 inch hips. Thank you,
mother up in heaven. Love it. But yeah, when I when I'm even just like going for walks or like
doing like basic, I swear to God, I just build muscle around my waist. It's scary.
They say in the gym that it's called building a tire around your stomach because a
lot of women will come in and just be working on the treadmill or doing these crunches, but it
essentially builds muscle around the fat. So what you want to do is what Sally said and just kind
of start out slow, but just make sure it's something that you do every
day and it's non-negotiable because your body's going to want to make up all these excuses like
oh I've done it for two weeks I don't need to keep doing it but you just keep doing it the same
thing over and over and you'll see some results the prettiest my body has ever been I was exercising
zero so I know I know I'm unhealthy don't want to, I don't want you
health buffs to fucking come at me. Okay. But I'm just telling the truth. I ate literally a latte
and a boiled egg every time I was about to pass out, which could be once a day or once every two
to three days, I'd eat a boiled egg and a latte. I know, I know.
I was in LA.
Everyone was telling me I could be, you know, I'd be so beautiful if only I wasn't such a fat ass and whatever.
And they still called me fat when I was doing that.
But my body looked so good doing that.
Like, I wouldn't move.
I wouldn't walk I wouldn't exercise at all I just I had like a natural shape but it was
I wouldn't walk.
I wouldn't exercise at all.
thin but I was pudgy a little bit I want to be kind of like that except with muscle and healthy
if it's possible I know that my boobs look the best when I'm like 10 to 12 pounds heavier than my boobs.
Oh my God.
That's my thing right now is I'm so pudgy.
Right now I'm so pudgy, but my tits look great.
They've never looked this good.
Yeah.
It sucks because I know I'm going to say bye to them.
I think I'm going to hold a funeral for my poor tits.
Goodbye, tits.
Why do we have to?
Sally, can I do it so I keep the tits?
Is it even possible?
Yeah, you have surgery and get implants.
Bodybuilders get fake boobs.
Dude, I wish I could.
It's so sad because my ass stays.
Love my ass.
It never leaves me.
But the tits, they don't want to be here.
They're not supposed to be here.
The glutes are just muscle, whereas the boobs are fat.
Yeah.
As sad as it sounds.
It's crazy because I don't exercise, but my mom up in heaven bless her soul i have muscly ass and legs always all the time
just naturally even not moving
she thick though she was my mom she gave me that waist to hip ratio she was tall though she was
six feet tall too god my mom was pretty yeah tall, too. God, my mom was pretty.
Yeah, she... All my memories of her, she was just sparkly.
She always had sparkly jewels, sparkly black hair.
Tall, wore high heels anyway, didn't give a fuck.
Just a tower of, like, beauty.
Big hair. Big ass.
No waist.
Big brains, because you're're smart and you got that too
she was on the national dean's list
like
very very smart woman
sweet too
was she funny
she was very funny
and very social
I'm a mix of my mom
and my dad obviously you, but like the,
you know, when Hitchlap says I'm an egg and I keep telling him to stop,
that my mom's side of me, the sweet side, that only really comes out, uh,
in private or with my friends. I'm a lot more like my dad in public. He was, he was also autistic, so it makes
sense. So your dad was the funny one or? No, my mom was, my mom was funny, funny. She, she was,
she was very social. She was, she'd dance, you know? I don't dance. She'd go out and like
dance on the dance floor and like twerk and shit. She's just a social butterfly.
My dad was like an autistic businessman type.
He was just an asshole, but it worked for him because he's a man.
I think you dance very well.
I've seen you in your frog suit jumping around.
That's pretty cool.
No, I don't.
Man, I wish I could immortalize my mom more.
It might come out later.
I know that sounds weird, but even Hitch,
remember how he's like, you don't want to be like your parents
and then you grow up and you're like, shit, you're just like your parents.
I feel like as I get older, I realize that I'm more like my mom or my dad.
Yeah, the weirdest thing is, so I was around my mom when I was young, but I found these tapes.
They were finally sent to me of my family and my mom and whatever and i noticed um and it's sort of what
really solidified genetic personality for me i've always done this thing where i crinkle my nose
often i make an expression as if i'm disgusted by something, but it's kind of like a smile.
It's like a, ooh, I don't know.
It's a particular expression I've always made.
And I was watching these videos of my mom.
She does this same smile, disgust face thing when she, and her laugh sounds identical to
mine.
It's like, this is just in my DNA, man.
And that's wild.
It's like, she's been dead my whole life.
I didn't learn this from her.
It was in the code.
She lives in your heart, though.
Because, you know, my dad, he passed away when I was a little bit younger.
But for the most part, I see myself in little mannerisms.
Like, he always collected just receipts of everything
and I'll be in my car and I'm like, this is my dad. It's such a weird little tick. Like I need
to throw these away. It's just weird. No, it's so beautiful because especially when they're dead
or like you never knew them. Sometimes I look at my fingernails and I realized like, oh my God,
they're literally my mom's fingernails
like she's in my body how old were you when your parents died then honey they didn't die at the
same time it was nine days before I turned 10 my mom died but uh yeah so I was quite yeah I was
quite young so I have memories of her but I also have really early memories as well.
Like Hitch actually talks about this.
High IQ people remember things.
Have you gone to foster care before or after your parents died?
After your parents died?
After.
Well, the complications started like, so when I say foster care, I have a very complicated story.
So it's, I'm not lying. I am surmising some, it's something extremely complicated for,
to just like give an overview, but I was never in foster care through the government. I was in foster care through my father, through the
government. So it was foster care and it was, but it was slightly different. But he put you there.
So he put you in foster care? Yes. He didn't know what to do with me, I guess. I was super smart. I was a really smart kid. And this was sort of like I and I was autistic. So and no one knew I was autistic. So there was no explanation for the the the adults. I would you know, when you listen through the do you remember when you were a kid, you'd listen to adults talk about you through the, through the door?
Yeah.
Yeah, I remember that.
Anytime I'd listen to the adults, foster parents, adopted, whatever, I was never a bad kid, but they would say things like, she's, she's like Wednesday, Wednesday Adams from the Adams family. Like she's too smart.
She's like an adult. She's gonna. And, and I remember too, it was the, the sound she, whenever
I heard the sh the high pitched, you know, that I knew that people were talking about me. I put my
ear up to the door and they were scared of me. Uh, and this was like, like, yeah. So my dad didn't know what to do because it wasn't that I was a bad kid.
So did your mom.
So your mom died.
And then after that, your dad was your caregiver and he didn't know what to do with you.
So then he did this through the state.
Yeah, I.
Well, the nanny and I got into a spat.
And so he had a nanny and the nanny, I don't know,
grounded me or something. And I looked at the nanny and I was like, oh God, I looked at the
nanny. I was like really good at reading people. So I said, are you worried about your biological
clock? Like you don't have a boyfriend you know you're running out of
time I'm a little kid you know but really what I was doing is you know I don't want to be grounded
like why is this bitch you know trying to ground me and so I made her cry and then there was this
whole thing of like oh she's she's a she's a danger child she's a bad kid blah blah blah um so yeah my dad my dad
didn't know what to do with me because anytime someone tried i was never violent but anytime
someone tried to punish me or something i would like craftily get out of it which looking back
on it i mean i don't it's sad to me because i was a kid i didn't
know what was going on you know but yes so i went through the foster care system
zintani now i understand why you you you made kumar go psycho on you
oh i was gonna tell you zintani oh sorry Sally are you gonna say something I don't know
I just said was just want to say Kumar does that it goes like on everyone not just in Tony go ahead
oh yeah he's he's an interesting one that feller oh but what I was gonna say is when I was younger
I got sent to this reformary school and I've heard you in other spaces.
I don't know if you went to a similar type of schooling,
but it was later shut down for human rights violations.
I think that Paris Hilton did a Netflix documentary,
because some of my friends are in that documentary,
and they asked me to be in it, but I was like,
I don't want to rehash all
that and I honestly haven't even really watched it because it was just a really weird point in
my life but I was there from like 14 until almost 18 years old so yeah the the schools I went to
were sort of along the same vein but it I guess the tragedy of it is like, I wasn't an evil child. I was just
autistic and very smart. So it wasn't that I wanted to like cause or like scare adults. I just
didn't, I mean, I was lost. So as a teenager, I did a full 180 and I was like a perfect student. I was,
you know, everyone loved me. I was a pet, a teacher's pet, but also very popular with the
other kids, blah, blah, blah. You know, so yeah, definitely put into the wrong type of
upbringing, misunderstood kid story origin story
batman batman origin story so zentani this is a fascinating journey you're talking about so you
were this young person then you turn into this super night but now you're back to scaring adults
when when was the turning point they called me a cat so it's not that i so what happened in high school
is i learned to use my powers for good so i was always bullying but i was called a counter
terrorist i started recognizing like oh like just because an adult is trying to ground me, it doesn't mean they're an enemy. I realized this, like, around middle school.
So I cut that out.
And then I would still bully, but I would notice, like, who the bullies were.
And then I'd just bully them.
So, yeah, I've kind of always done that.
But I just changed the mechanism to be, like I defend the nerds I'd bring the nerds
over to the cool people table that was my function in school and then I'd make the yeah I'd still
make kids cry but they were bullies so you sound sparkly like your mom when you talk like that
no my mom was my mom was just a sweetheart all around she
wasn't bullying anyone sometimes people need that though yes what's up what
hello habibi i am from algeria speaking arab i am sorry english okay habibi i am sorry english hey dogecoin i blocked you because you
followed me and you're bad for my algorithm sorry about that
oh don't do that something yeah he does this tongue thing he's i've he's been in spaces before
he just trolls he'll do that for, like, they let him go
in the one space for, like, 15 minutes.
Is that what he did?
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, goodness.
I love this international
flavor of lunacy.
Thank you, dude.
Sally, how did you make that incredible steak and what cut of steak is that that steak is a grass-fed grass finished from a cow I have a half of a beef in my freezer it was a
ribeye I put it out on the counter to bring it to room temperature all day
when I got to room temperature I put salt on it let it soak for an hour. I put it out on the counter to bring it to room temperature all day.
When it got to room temperature, I put salt on it, let it soak for an hour.
Then I put the rest of my seasonings on, which was paprika, just a tinch of cayenne pepper to give it some flavor, ground pepper and garlic. And then I put it in the smoker for 20 minutes.
and then I cooked it on the flame on 400 degrees
for three minutes, two, three minutes each side,
just until it got that color and then I took it off.
It was perfect, medium rare, through and through.
We've heard from the ladies about boobs and...
I want to give a shout out to the guys. here a long time ago I had a six-pack
but now I have a big round one-pack Buddha so what can I do do you eat a lot of bread and drink a lot
of soda or juices no no I do not know but I'm just I know I know what I got to do I'm just goofing
around I don't eat well nor do I exercise I spend all my time on the X platform, and I am definitely not ever going to be a fitness influencer.
No, but we should be healthy for long term, right? We don't want to be miserable and dead.
True, true. So what do I do?
Walk. Just walk. It's free. It it's free you can start with just small walks
you get to build up the intensity as you want if you want to do hills if you want to do stairs
um once you start like getting more and more conditioned but i'd say just start with walking
thank you well these i walked to the coffee machine does that count that's that counts every
step counts every little step counts just be like just counts. Just be like, just be stoked.
If you get to like get up and walk, be like, yeah, like I don't mind walking a little further over here.
And you just build up more and more endurance.
And now I'm at the point, because I was in the hospital with a bad back situation.
I couldn't move.
And so I got really out of shape.
It's actually surprising how fast you can become uh like lose your fitness right so
I had to build myself back up and now I'm trail running up and down small mountains
so you just like you just have to keep getting up and you know what uh even if you start like
every second day going for like a one kilometer walk and then get up to every uh you
know four days a week three days a week doing two hour walks um and then maybe you increase the
intensity and you it's choose your own adventure no one gets to tell you what to do you get to just
do it how you're comfortable thank you would you recommend doing these walks in my bear suit
uh as long as it's 10,000 steps. That's just like
the best ideal day is
10,000 steps. See, like that shit
blows my mind. Every time I
start walking, I like walk
and I look at my apple thing. I'm like
I've got to go. Like this had
to have been 30,000 and it's
like 6,000.
I'm like, what the fuck? How do I even
I can't do this. How long are you guys
walking to get 10,000? How long does that take? You live in New York now, so you're going to get
your steps in really fast. When I live in San Francisco. Yeah, just like, like Google or just
see like everything around your area and force yourself to walk like to get every single
thing but how long does it take to walk the 10 000 steps i mean there's this old man who uses
his crocs to walk 10 000 steps at the gym where i work at but it takes him like four hours yeah
jesus who's doing that and it's like at level like three jesus fuck hell's nuts man let me if you're
miss kathleen kathy is it kathy is it kathleen katherine you can call me kathy that that works
that's what everybody calls me in real life okay so just one just one second um so the 10 000 steps
guys everyone wants to monitor everything everyone's got this big huge goal is keep it simple
stupid right you get out and you walk you don't have to make sure you hit the 10 000 you get out monitor everything. Everyone's got this big, huge goal. It's keep it simple, stupid, right? You get
out and you walk. You don't have to make sure you hit the 10,000. You get out, you be active, right?
So walking, it could be you start with 15 minutes, then maybe 20 minutes, then 30. But each day,
you just increase it. Keep it simple, stupid. Speed walking scientifically works more muscles
than jogging does. So speed walking to the point where you could answer with a yes or no,
not have a full on conversation. That's how you know you're working out hard enough.
If you're working out hard, you can't have a conversation without having to take breaths.
So that is speed walking. The more you move your arms, the higher your heart rate is going to get,
which means you're going to be burning more calories because your heart is in close proximity
to your heart. It's got less travel for the blood to go. So moving your arms is very beneficial.
If you're someone who has low back issues, walk backwards. Learn to walk backwards. It strengthens
your knees, your shins, your glutes, the small of your back. It actually builds your core muscle
in a way that is really hot and sexy. I used to walk a mile backwards every single day
when I would do my walking, but you just start small, you start small. It starts with walking
backwards 50 yards, then you increase it to this and that. But everyone wants to be so complicated
with working out, and it's just consistency. You don't have to eat perfect, right? You find a
balance that works for you, that you feel though that you how you feel mentally physically should always be your judge these people who die hard balls to the wall
at the gym every single day they're setting themselves up for failure because as soon as
they stop they're gonna get fat they're not gonna be happy so just find a balance to where you can
do it on a consistent basis eat things you like but don't pork out like Porky the pig. There. Wait, hold on one
second. I'm being a bitch. I'm being a bitch. I'm being a host. That's good. I like it. For all the
ADHD motivation sufferers in the room that are listening to these health nuts, I have a bit of good advice for our type of fat asses. I found motivation for
being hot as like the purpose of doing the walking, it just doesn't fucking work because
the process of getting hot is so slow, you don't even realize it. It's like months later,
you look in the mirror and you're like, oh, I'm hot now. When did that happen? So what I've found worked for me, the only time I've
been consistent is to switch the mindset from being motivation of being hot to if you are a
workaholic, then you'll realize that you're actually way more efficient if you take breaks to exercise your
brain works better if you switch it that way then you get the dopamine payoff of like to keep doing
it um just wanted to put that out there because i know there i know there's fat asses like me that
are like i just can't i just can't go to the gym you're, if you're, if you're not a workaholic, I think you're just fucked. You're probably just fat ass forever.
Sorry. Realistically, you're just not going to go. My motivation that I found works far better
than even like fitness or trying to get a good body or anything like that is like whimsy. Like
I like going out and taking pictures of things. I like going out and seeing new things. Like when
I was in New York, walking around Central
Park, or if I'm in a new neighborhood, or even my, like I like to explore different routes in my
neighborhood, or go on walks, and geocaching. That's a fun one. There's like little geocaches
that people hide around on different parks and pathways, and you know, in nature and in the city,
and you can go and find these little
tubs and write your name down and be like i found the geocache just little excuses to go for walks
and like i enjoy just really absorbing my surroundings whether it's cool exploring
everything yes and in french um they used to call it a flaneur a flaneur was like walking with no specific reason like it's just i'm going
for a flaneur i consider flaneur uh like a fun word to describe one of my favorite hobbies
just walking around and uh absorbing the world around me because it's a we live in a really cool
world i like that thing absolutely is there anyone who truly has like
Used the get hot motivation to sustainably be hot through the gym
Does that ever work if you're not going through a breakup?
I can see it working if you're going through a breakup
Because then you're like hurting so bad
It's like well fuck that person I need to be hot
But is it sustainable like
Oh yeah Really? I mean it depends like fuck that person. I need to be hot. But is it sustainable? Like,
Oh yeah. Really? I mean, it depends. Like,
so I used to be obsessed with fitness like all through high school and college ever since playing football, I got obsessed with powerlifting.
And what my advice with people like trying to get back in shape is that you
have to be comfortable with being outside and just running slow.
If you're not comfortable like being fast
outside because you're slow and you're not able to run a mile like start just jogging and not being
obsessed about like making peace and being you know afraid of other people think of you the more
often you explore and get out there your your mind. And then once you build up that 30 days, it's a habit.
And then you go more and more. And so like, I just got back into shaping starting in March.
And now it's like, I started at 15 pushups. Now I'm back up to 30. It's like my obsession
is a little bit hardcore and extreme setting goals, but it all started by just being okay
with being out more and putting in the time and not being afraid of what other people see of you.
See, I know Sally and I sort of had a DM interaction.
And I do want to do a space just about the mid-cingulate cortex.
It's my hyperfixation right now.
right now but i imagine people that can effectively um use the motivation of being hot just purely i
want to be hot i imagine they have more developed mid mid-cingulate cortex because um simply like
when you look at the brain you understand like inevitably there's no escaping the fact that you're like a hedonistic monkey.
You are built to chase what feels good. So everything you do ultimately is because it feels good.
And everything you avoid is because it doesn't feel good.
The interesting thing is with the mid-cingulate cortex is if you've ever done that cupcake or heard of that cupcake experiment,
is if you've ever done that a cupcake or heard of that cupcake experiment they showed kids you
know one cupcake and they say you can have this cupcake or if you don't touch this cupcake we'll
give you a second one in like an hour and they found that the kids that wait for the second
cupcake do better in life this is your mid-cingulate cortex It's the ability for your brain to understand, okay, this doesn't feel good
now, but if I wait and I keep doing it, then the payoff will be greater. So they're still chasing,
they're still chasing dopamine, but it's over a long period of time. So when you're talking about
like using motivation of being hot, this is not going to be effective for someone with ADHD, for example. It will not work
because the incremental payoff, you go to the gym one time, right? You look in the mirror,
you're still a fat ass. You do it for a week. You look in the mirror, you're still a fucking fat
ass. You get no dopamine off of that. And an ADHD person, they're just not going to keep doing it.
So depending on the type of brain you have, you certainly need to change how you're thinking about the goal. You can still achieve the
same thing, but I'm ADHD. And it's like, it depends on your hold on, hold on real quick.
So that's because I wanted to directly address what design timing was saying. That is how I
trained people, right? It's not, oh, I'm going to look hot.
It's not that I'm going to lose weight.
Like I didn't even let my clients see their weight.
I weighed them backwards.
I measured all the progress through their inches
because the scale sometimes is deceiving.
So I weighed them backwards.
And every time they wanted to know if they've made progress,
I take the tape measurement out.
But it wasn't that you can't have a cookie.
You can have as many cookies as you want. You're
just choosing not to have six cookies or that cookie or having it earlier in life. You're
working out because you want to feel good. You want to have, you know, whether you have back
injuries or whatever, you want to have more energy, changing that mindset to where the reward is more
longer term than just, oh, I'm doing this because I want to look good. Because if you do that,
it takes six weeks for women to actually start seeing results after consistently working out for six weeks. Men is about between three and four. So we all hate you
anyway. But so you have to change that. It's all about the mindset. So that's why I say you don't
have to go balls to the wall. Just walking consistently every day is going to make a
change in your life,
right? You're going to feel good. You're going to have that time to just like breathe in the air,
the oxygen. So everything about exercise and it is about long-term, not the short term,
I'm going to look hot. It's about long-term. How do you make this thing a habit and how do you turn
it into something that you enjoy? Like right now, going out and weeding in the garden, I'm squatting
down. I don't kneel down. I do my little squats. I pull some weeds. I do this, but I don't ever
kneel, right? So I'm forcing myself to do something I enjoy, which is weeding and being in the garden
into exercise. So in the summertime, my body's the best because I just do something I thoroughly
enjoy every single day. So turn the things that, and change the mindset and change your goal to where
it's going to benefit you the most. And I land there. You, yeah, but I can tell from talking
to you, Sally, guarantee you, we hook you up to a biological metric. I know for a fact you have a
developed mid-cingulate cortex, just from listening to you talk, the way you think.
But the fact of the matter is, I don't care if people don't agree with this. It's a fact. It's
not an opinion. It's a fact. Your personality, the way that you operate, the decisions you make
are literally a physical thing. It is it is the, the composition of your
brain is why you are the way you are. Also your gut, um, which is your stomach is a part of your
brain, a huge part of your brain, actually. So like the food you eat also plays a huge role in this,
in how you think you're an input output machine. So you're eating mcdonald's every day and you're adhd
and you have an undeveloped mid-cingulate cortex and you're a fat ass um these are the people that
sally like i guarantee you if you've had clients who just ghost they go away or like do you have
those i imagine you do actually what i did i did, I had very, I had two clients that
ever quit on me in 18 years. I was very successful because it's not getting into shape and getting,
getting, getting, getting your goals or whatever. It's not about the exercise. It's about finding
out what mentally is holding you back and what barriers are there. So that is more the approach I took.
It's like, why would I be successful?
And so that was my goal, talking, them having a place to vent where they knew I wasn't going to go spread gossip about them, right?
So how do we figure out what is stopping you from being successful?
what in your head is blocking you i've had the horrific stories that i've heard right
What in your head is blocking you?
I've had the horrific stories that I've heard, right?
but but once they were able to realize that give themselves permission to be
to be fit to be healthy they were successful but you have it's more cycles oh my god
i hope you're charging big bucks because that is so smart you're taking a, you're basically, you're being, you're being a therapist, a like psychoanalyst,
I guess a psychologist and a physical trainer.
That is so smart.
You're totally right though.
Are you charging a lot, Sally?
You better be, bitch.
I actually have not trained for, I think I've been 10 years.
So I trained for, I was a personal trainer for 18 years.
There's reasons as to why, but I do love it.
It's like a passion because I love seeing people feel good about themselves inside.
And then it projects through their outside.
And that's why I absolutely, positively love personal training.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, I hope you were charging a lot because that sounds fantastic.
Well, I mean, I hope you were charging a lot because that sounds fantastic.
I've seen I've gone like start hired personal trainers and then realize like, oh, you know, fuck this and just left.
I'm the ghoster of the personal trainers.
You're right about people working out, though, for like when they get revenge.
Like, I always feel like the one who got broken up with or whatever
and it gets like better from the situation was like the one who won and that is good motivation
like for me I like you know the guy wasn't like he cheated on me and so that kind of like led me to
the gym and then you realize that like there's nice people that like care about you at the gym and then it's kind of
like you get the motivation to go see them and you might even find like a gym crush and then that
gets you really motivated because you're like you see him over there and then you're working out and
they're working out and you're like we're hot like whatever anyway yeah I've always been a big fan of instead of I hate the live laugh love shit because it's
like hold on you know what's way more powerful than that is like accept the hatred you have
um at least I'm an advocate maybe I'm wrong whatever but I I've always thought like I love
when I hate someone I love it it is such a powerful force if you just direct that energy.
Like instead of like, keep the hate, keep the hate.
Don't hide from it.
Don't like be a beta pussy and be like, live, laugh, love for, oh, forgive them.
Forgive them.
I need closure.
It's like, yeah, I need, I need to forgive them and be at peace with myself.
It's like, no, you know, you can change your whole life off of that asshole that hurt you.
That shit will wake you up at five in the morning every fucking day.
I love when someone fucks me over because I take that hate and I put it into myself, like, in this.
And maybe psychologists would say, like, I'm fucked'm fucked up whatever but I don't give a
fuck it's like love I think I really believe I mean I'm gonna make enemies in here but whatever
I think hate is way more of a powerful force than love is when I'm in love I get that makes me fat I'm fat and happy and stupid but when I when I hate someone
man I'm getting fit I'm making money I'm like because I'm directing it you know and then when
the hate the hate goes away I'm actually kind of upset I'm like I need someone to fuck me over so
I can have that force again oh I know people in the gym who will have a habitual person that they fuck over just
so that they have them it's like your broken heart is the best pre-workout is what they say
but it's so true i see that glenn lawrence has had his hand raised and he has been a personal
trainer too but i don't know it's your Zantani. It's up to you.
Yeah, go ahead.
Glenn?
Yeah, thank you.
You know, it's funny because when I started personal training, it was after losing over 100 pounds from an injury.
I was in the military, got fat, got injured, fractured my, you know, a couple discs.
And it was because somebody told me I can never compete that I end up competing. I lost over 100
pounds, competed, got my pro card, got sponsored by multiple different supplement companies.
And it was like the greatest, you know, revenge is like just to show everybody off.
And when I started training people, what I noticed is that most people don't want it.
They want to like do the, make the very least amount of effort to say that they tried,
but most people don't want it. Cause I tell people it's a lifestyle change.
It's a lifestyle change.
It's not a diet.
I don't, I don't do diets.
I help you with lifestyle changes.
And if you're not willing to make a lifestyle change,
then you're not committed, you know?
And half the time I would try to lose clients.
I would, you know, I got to the point
where I was almost overbooked. And I would just like, try to lose clients i would you know i got to the point where i was like almost over
booked and i would just like try to like put them through like the worst first workout ever
just so they wouldn't come back because i didn't have time to deal with people that were going to
quit two three weeks in because they didn't they don't like it no more well that's where sally comes in with like this feminine intuition of like
fucking genius of like well you can avoid that by getting into their head and figuring out what
their motivation hurdle is have you ever done that glenn or is it just too much work well so
i was also a personal trainer for the navy so So I was a fitness specialist. So I would be in charge of like a carrier with like 5,000 people on it.
And I didn't have time to deal with whether or not trying to seep through, trying to like navigate and try to see if you want to be a part of it.
I'm just like, you know, nonsense.
Yeah.
The masculine.
Yeah.
I could see that for the Navy of like, do you want in or you want out? I guess I'm just like in awe of Sally's business model because I could see it being more annoying, I guess. But if you're a woman and you're naturally like, you have these hormones which allow you to like care for others and listen to their problems and what the fuck ever. And then you utilize that.
and listen to their problems and what the fuck ever.
And then you utilize that.
Every time I hear Sally, I'm just like in fucking awe.
It's such a good business model.
Because what Glenn is saying,
it's like you're avoiding a lot of these people that will ghost
and what the fuck ever.
And then you put energy into someone that isn't going to keep paying you so if you if you get through that annoying hurdle it's like sally's fucking smart
man no she has a great business model and what she's doing she's using psychology to get them
to be where they need to be i i don't have the time to do that. I want you already there. If you're not already there, I can't help you. I can't do it for you. And what she does is way better
because he actually invests in that to get you there. The amount of professional downhill skiers,
the amount of people that I help by having that mindset. And it wasn't just one customer. They
paid for a year or two years consistently two, three times a week.
It's actually a sustainable model because you're developing someone who's going to be loyal to you because your whole goal is to make them better and successful and happy and healthy.
I want to, just because I rarely have this opportunity to be a bitch and make the space about whatever I want to make it about.
Because I was reminded by Glenn. I want to make it about because I was reminded by Glenn I want to hold on you'll hear me yeah crisp and clear okay so it what Glenn said it reminded
me of this formative dating experience I had which I'm really fucking grateful for so I'm
just going to tell a story about like the concept of like hatred being a drive.
So I had this Tinder date from this guy.
He was handsome, you know, looked smart, all these things.
I get in the car and he says to me, he says, hi.
Like, how are you today and I was like sitting there like oh fuck get me out of this fucking car what
what what is going on um I'm just being honest about what I was thinking I know it was an asshole
asshole thought but I'm just being real that's why what I thought. It's like, God, where am I? This is going to suck ass. But I, you know, I'm a woman and so I don't, I'm not,
I'm not rude. I just like sort of glaze over it and I go along with it. Yeah. He had a super
severe stutter, right? So as the night goes on, I have no idea who this guy is. He brings me to a NASA suite in a concert.
He works for NASA.
And I'm sitting here thinking this guy is an idiot or this guy has some mental, you know, whatever.
So this is the first surprise.
I'm sitting in the middle of a bunch of NASA people.
I'm like, what is going on?
And I also hated the music.
It was Latin music.
So it was really uncomfortable.
And he was like, do you want to dance?
And I pretended not to hear him.
So I made him, because I didn't want to dance because I was uncomfortable.
And no one in the NASA suite was dancing.
So I didn't want to get up in front of all these nerds and start dancing to music I hate. So I just kept pretending that I
couldn't hear him, but he kept stuttering through asking me. And finally I was like, no, I do not
want to dance. Sorry. So very awkward, very uncomfortable up to this point. But then after
we go to a bar and we're just talking and, and this is where I realized or started realizing,
um, my own flaws in my judgment of others is this man said to me, basically, which took him
maybe 10 minutes to get out these sentences, mind you, his, His stutter was severe. He explained to me that when he was a child,
the teachers, his parents,
everyone thought he was mentally retarded.
And they told him, you know,
you're never going to do anything with your life.
And my eyes are locked.
I'm like, I'm, as he's stuttering,
taking forever to say these sentences. I don't think
I've ever been more fascinated by a person. I'm just like, stun lock staring at this guy as he
tells me, he says, and I remember when I was five years old, I decided, fuck these people.
I'm going to do great things. I'm going to do it. They told me I can't, I'm going to.
And now he's, he designed, he is the engineer of these space, the, these spaceships for SpaceX.
The reason that they can fly him. I've never been so, you know, and it was such a formative experience for me because I realized
like, Oh my God, sitting in front of me is one of the most fascinating genius men I've ever
fucking met. And I, I really sat there at the beginning of the date, believing this guy is an
idiot. Like I'm just like the people, just like the teachers, um, that told him that assumed he
was, he was retarded, that he wouldn't do anything. Like, you know, and it was such a formative
experience for me because it was another sort of like blow to these, um, when you look at like
women and what they require from men, you can get it so wrong. If you focus on the wrong things, you can skip over like the most fucking amazing people on earth
over judgments about height or, yeah,
just don't judge a book by its cover.
I know it's not completely in line with anything,
but I never get to tell that story.
I love that story.
He proved the world wrong.
Yeah, that was great.
And honestly, I think it's the passion.
Like, a lot of people think it's hatred,
but it's really, like, that determination that nobody can give you
and you have it within yourself that just fans the flame.
You know, I think a lot of people lack passion nowadays.
Well, what really, like, struck me in awe is like, this man is not stupid. I know that when I got into that car, I know he knew
that I wanted to get out. Like he, he knows how he comes across the people and he's still putting
himself out there. It's why I say like this i still think about him
all the fucking time in fact i ended things with him he was one of the rare cases where
i ended things with him simply because like he was too good cool yeah he would have he would
have left me it's like i needed to reject him before he rejected me i i knew i was like very
lucky but it was such a yeah so, so I left out of fear.
Men do this all the time.
Was that years ago?
It was a long time ago.
If you were my friend next to me, I would be like,
let's stalk him. Let's find him.
He was so hot, too.
He's good-looking. He's fucking genius.
He's passionate.
You could re-seduce him.
You could re-seduce him at any time.
No, he's also Jewish.
He probably only gets the Jewish women.
He's not going to marry me.
Well, he remembers you.
You're definitely someone you can't forget.
No, he doesn't remember me.
There's no way.
You actually lasted the date date I would be curious to
know how many dates he went on and people just left him yeah that's what breaks my heart the
most is if I had not stayed for that bar um I would have left thinking you know oh I don't want
that and actually I mean I did still end up leaving, but I'm not,
I know for the men listening, they'll think that I truly rejected him, but I'm being honest. Like,
I truly rejected him, not because of the stutter. It was truly like, I knew if we got involved,
he'd leave. He's too good for me. It was just a fact.
he's too good for me it's just a fact
I've believed that about men myself where I'm like you're just I know there's some trajectory
of a girl that's more pure and probably perfect than me and then you deserve her and just I just
like ruin it for myself I guess yeah it's not it's a selfish thing. I've noticed women have done that more often than guys would actually think.
It's like, see, women already have a hard time with rejection.
Guys are kind of conditioned with rejection.
We get told no all the time, you know, but women don't like to feel that they may actually lose or get left.
So they will preemptively reject or disqualify the guy somehow.
Yeah, men also do this, but women are supposed to biologically do that.
People say, like, women are so bad at handling rejection.
It's like, we're not supposed to.
If a woman is getting rejected, she's not doing her role as a sexual selector like this is like the problem
with society today and I think a huge reason birth birth rates are declining is like when you are
expecting a woman to be good at rejection you're expecting a fish to to fly it's like or a fish to fly. It's like, or a bird to swim well. It's like women, the whole role of
women is to look for stability and look at the option she has to never chase and to, yes, reject
what will reject them in the future because it's unsafe,'s not stable but men are supposed to be built
to handle rejection you're supposed to chase chase chase think with your dick chase chase chase and
then a woman should if she's doing her job properly uh she'll make you fall in love with her so you'll
accidentally fall in love but men are supposed to think with their dicks and just go forward
and then they fall into commitment i think
that's the biggest problem that we have right now with young men is that they're so risk-adverse that
they avoid any opportunity of potentially taking the the you know that scared step and stepping
out to see what happens they will avoid it whether it's for their career whether it's for you know trying out a new skill or talent or even in the dating market like they will be so risk
adverse unless the girl is coming up to them and letting them know hey i like you the dude's not
pulling the trigger and i'm just like what happened i i go in the military, I come back after a few years and everybody got vaginas now. This is kind of weird. No, we're literally feminizing men and masculine.
We're masculinizing women. When we say things like this, that, and you'll see it, men are doing
the rejecting before they get rejected. You know, they're calling women that they think are actually
very attractive. They call them ugly because they're acting in the role of a woman is this woman going to reject me in the
future oh i'm gonna call her ugly and convince myself i don't want her uh because that's safer
for me the new way is calling her a 304 or yeah call her ho caller yeah yeah but really you want
to sleep with her it's like this is actually very damaging to men because you look at women under stress.
Stress is not good for women.
We lose our hair.
We get less beautiful.
Stress is good for men.
It gets them fit.
It makes them money.
It's good.
But we're babying and feminizing men and saying no well the men
are lonely and blah blah blah it's like
well yeah you need to get up and make money and do
something you need to be a man
you need to prove your worth like the birds
do you know they dance around
with their feathers
like a peacock that's your job as a man
Tony did you notice that guy
was like when he was stressed on the date
he was stuttering
more because my brother has a stutter and I have one on occasion.
And I'm just curious.
First of all, I thought that your date was Elon for a second, but that's mainly a joke.
Oh, do I think he was stuttering more because he was nervous?
Maybe.
I don't know.
Generally, I'll have it if I'm in a very nervous situation, but that's pretty cool.
And I was going to say just in terms of working out, I like finding something passive and touching
grass and getting soaking up the vitamin D. I have a thread on it on the purple pill,
but thanks for giving me the mic on my alt account. No, his, even as the date went on and I
like really, it was very obvious. I started liking him a lot. I
mean, I was very obviously fascinated by my body language showed him pretty clearly that I very
much liked him at the end of the date, but he was still stuttering. So this was like, maybe it was,
I'll just say like, you know, that, that it truly took like five to 10 minutes for him to
stutter through that sentence. And it was one of the most fascinating, like I've never been more stunlocked and like fixated on a stuttering man.
It was the most fascinating experience dating wise I've ever had, ever.
dating-wise I've ever had, ever.
I blame a lot of these red pill content creators
for the climate that we have when it comes to dating
because they only seem to highlight
what everybody would probably consider
less than qualified women for dating.
These are women that are either very promiscuous
or have an adult film background or that has no future thinking of like family creation or long term relationships.
They want the money.
They want the lifestyle.
They want the bag.
Right.
Yeah. the bag right yeah and so what these guys get they get this confirmation bias because every
single podcast or you know uh show that has dating about it it's gonna be all the same type of women
just different faces it's like you're watching a rerun of yesterday's episode just with different
women and i think it's a dishonest because they know that there are
other women out there and i think that they should if for their own audience they should platform
those other women that are are marriageable or are quality women so that guys could see that
it's not all doom and gloom also that would also keep guys from treating women like they're all
well i would actually i would actually say
like that doesn't solve the issue is because like when you're seeing this issue and i agree with you
it is an issue it is because men are feminized and you you hear them talking about looking for
the right kind of women they choose the worst kind of women men are not sexual selectors. They're not good at it. Men are not going to be
good at determining the right mate. They're not supposed to. They're supposed to. Men are supposed
to lean into those hormones. You think with your dick. You're not thinking about the type of woman
or whatever. You should be following your hormones. But the problem is,
the women are also not being the sexual selectors either. They're chasing these men,
which turns men off. And then they get traumatized. And then they become more like men. And then the
men become more like women, determining which kind of woman is good for me? She has to have this, this, this, and this. There is a math to nature.
And it's the closest thing to God we have.
If God is a euphemism for truth, and math is truth, we are denying nature.
And the further we get from nature, the more off balance we get.
nature, the more off balance we get. There are roles to this. Men are not supposed to be the
There are roles to this.
woman who is being a pretty princess and deciding what, and complaining about the women. Women are
built to complain about men. And instead of getting bitter about this, women are supposed
to be selective with men. The problem is we have a culture of women that are not developing properly and in their natural sexual selection they're selecting
for the wrong types of men and then the men are also trying to be sexual selectors and that just
doesn't fucking work there's there's a process to this the man is supposed to chase with his dick
and then the smart woman our culture you think our culture has emasculated men.
Abso fucking lutely. You, every time I go on the internet, there's men complaining about women. Women are ruining society. Only fans, girls, this, this, this, this, uh, where is your masculinity?
You're, you are blaming the women for our culture. It's the women's job to lead us out.
culture. It's the women's job to lead us out. Women are built biologically to adapt, to adapt.
We see this across the board. You have like a conservative woman, she gets with a liberal man,
she will become liberal. You have a liberal woman who gets with a conservative man,
she will become conservative. This feminist idea that it's women's jobs to have opinions and blah,
blah, blah. And I'm also guilty of this, but I'm aware of what's jobs to have opinions and blah, blah, blah.
And I'm also guilty of this.
But I'm aware of what's happening to me hormonally.
I'm very opinionated.
I'm not married, but I understand what's happening to me. It's because I'm adapting problematically to a problematic culture so any man that is complaining about women and oh
these whores and these only fans blah blah blah it's like these women are adapting because they
don't have a way out because they don't have a man leading them you cannot complain about the
women not leading us out it's fucking clowns no i've been saying this you know the
women that we have today we have created so men that are like my age i'm in my i'm turning 41 in
a couple days but i say look guys the you're bitching about women that we created in the sense
of we encourage this we wanted them to be promiscuous with us right right? Like we wanted them to give it up.
We told them whatever we needed to say just to get them in the bed, right?
And so now that they got body counts, now all of a sudden you're mad?
Well, wait a minute.
The only person you really got to be mad at is the ones that wanted it, that pushed for it, that encouraged it, that benefited from it.
And then, you you know it's like
they're both both are at fault don't get me wrong a woman has their own you know agency to where she
could decide no or yes she wants to do it but the guy encouraging it has to take his responsibility
and realize that he played a role in increasing this you know as a as a normalizer. I just, I'm not a fan of holding, like,
to even say, I understand it sounds nice, like women are also at fault, but, and the women don't
like hearing this either, because it takes away their autonomy, but what I'm saying is, like,
when you're concerned about a woman taking accountability, we are rejecting biology here.
Women are not supposed to be held accountable for a society. It's like you need to choose one.
The men are saying that they want to be dominant and they want the women to submit,
but they're also sitting and complaining about things without doing anything. This is
a classically feminine thing. I'm not looking at it from a societal. I'm talking about on the individual basis. Yeah. But what I'm saying is like, yes, women have to take
accountability for their own actions and they need to take on the role of the man. And this
is exactly the problem. On an individual level, women need to like take responsibility and accountability for their
own life and it's like well this is not biology like the way things function is the woman should
have a man leading her and um if things go to hell it is his fault now i would say like would
you agree that that's probably due to the absent role of fathers these days?
Because that's normally the father's job is to help guide her, lead her,
until she meets her husband.
Yeah, we are demonizing girls for having daddy issues
instead of demonizing the daddies that weren't there.
What the fuck is going on?
You're holding these girls accountable for their father that
wasn't there and then you're you're beating her up psychologically over it she she doesn't if if
she needs a daddy and she's looking for a daddy this is an opportunity for a man who doesn't have
many options to be the daddy then you should be grateful for these uh daddy issue girls they're
giving you an opportunity to lead a woman that otherwise you wouldn't have.
What are the men complaining about?
It's ridiculous.
I mean, I've had plenty of call me daddy.
Hey, can I ask a question?
Could I ask a question?
Yeah.
Does that not sound like individualism if we're going to not actually?
Because a unit is a family, right?
A family unit is like, OK, the mother, the father.
So like if you're saying don't blame because those are two different things.
If you're going to say a single woman who's just single versus like a woman who has children, like what is she responsible for?
nothing just like just nothing at all a woman uh biologically she has a man in her life she
Nothing, just like just nothing at all.
that is like playing the role of a man like you look at these i'm not talking about that i'm
talking about a mother right yes naturally biologically unless there's something seriously
wrong with her if she has a man that is truly taking on the role of a man, most women will fall
into line. We actually have studies on this. There's a BPD, a BPD epidemic, borderline personality
disorder. It's supposed to be a disorder, a personality like neurological problem. But what
we're finding is actually, if you place these BPD women in stable relationships with masculine men that protect them, the BPD literally goes into, they never go into remission.
It goes away.
So how is this a personality disorder?
I'm not saying away from that.
I'm not saying away from that.
No, no, I'm answering your question. I think what's way more likely is we as a society have, I guess, abandoned women
and the women are not being emotionally regulated. And the truth is that whether anyone wants to
admit it or not, I understand that women value their autonomy and they're taking on the masculine
role, but I also guarantee you most of these women are miserable. These boss
bitches, they're fucking miserable. And no one wants to admit that if you have a man in your life,
it stabilizes you. It emotionally regulates you. I've experienced it. I can go from being
batshit crazy to having a man protect me. And suddenly i'm calm and i'm motherly and i'm feminine
it it is we are built biologically women are built to adapt to the situation men are built
to guide the situation so i'm not saying i'm not saying that the woman doesn't have roles the woman
does have roles in a family unit and it's literally to bitch and complain the woman says she's intuitive
for what it's a specific reason don't demonize women like that because i'm not i'm not demonizing
women at all don't talk over the host mr body autonomy so if you look look look i'm not i'm not
i'm not i'm not demonizing women at all i'm saying it is the biologically, it is the woman's role to bitch
and complain. Uh, that, that is how it works. You have a man and a woman. The man is the head he
leads. And if he's leading down a bad path, this is what we call feminine intuition. She can sense,
Hey, you're going down the wrong path. And that's when she bitches and complains and says,
you know, this is wrong. Ah, I'm emotional. I'm causing drama. I'm causing
havoc. The man's job is to listen to that and trust that the woman he's chosen is correct in
her intuition. And he guides the path where she says until she's happy. This, this, uh, statement,
happy wife, happy life is so much more intricate than just like do what the wife says.
No, it's a cohesive interaction between the feminine and the masculine.
The man fixes the problem.
The woman finds the problem.
The man fixes it.
And it makes your life happy.
So you're abstaining her of thinking for herself.
Like that's what I'm trying to get to is like the purpose of her complaining.
The purpose of her complaining is so that she can course correct.
And there's an example for the most part, right?
A child that's going to have to see, cause the, the context of the relationship of the,
of the parents, the child never really gets to understand that until they become an adult
and they had, until they had their own family themselves, they can never fully grasp like
the intricacies of that
relationship so the bitching and complaining is for the child because the woman understands that
okay this child who's seeing what i'm doing is not going to listen to what i'm saying they're
not going to listen they're going to do what they see they're not you could tell them all day long
don't do this and they see you do that children are gonna do that so i mean i know
you want to separate the children part of it but i i don't think it's it's individualism i'm not
separating the child i'm saying that is why the nuclear family works these are the roles but then
you look at modern society and the men are complaining about the women complaining. It's like it's her job to complain.
You are denying God.
You are denying truth.
And I'm an atheist.
When I say God, I mean math.
I mean truth.
There's a way that things work
and everyone is in denial about it.
We want to baby the men
and we want to masculinize the women.
It's ridiculous.
Before I say, a lot of the Redfield content creators are creating this like.
Glenn, gosh, you not know.
Stop that.
It's annoying.
I'm trying to speak.
So women, it's really kind of simple.
And this is why having a house with a male and a female works the best.
Women are nurturing by nature. Women are nurturing by nature.
Men are aggressive by nature.
Women can usually kind of balance that out, the yin, the yang.
The men are supposed to be the ones that punish the child, right?
Da-da-da-da-da.
And the mom is like the one that goes and has that soft little talk, tells them, you know, this is, you know, the behavior you're supposed to exhibit, da-da-da-da-da.
They work together.
Man has its rules and women have its roles.
And it's not one size fits all, just like exercise.
You have to figure out the balance and you have to communicate.
That's why you see a bunch of beta men because they're raised by women who don't spake them,
who don't punish them.
They don't get yelled at.
They don't get told, you know, they don't get told off, right?
So they're just a bunch of beta men walking around that allow women to control them because they
were raised by a bunch of single mothers yeah it's a lot man is that you're right i came up
because i'm a i'm a trainer like you and glenn so like i was i was going to speak to that point as
in like you have to kind of like to your point if you're going to be successful, like psychoanalyze people to an extent.
Like, look, I'm, you could say I'm lazy.
You could say I don't care enough.
But I've realized that when you talk to these people, like all people, you realize that
a lot of people don't care the way they say that they care.
Like you hear people talk about their stories and stuff.
And it's like, dag, like they really don't care about you the way you might think they
do, because that's not good advice. You know what I mean? and stuff and it's like dag like they really don't care about you the way you might think they do
because that's not good advice you know what i mean so um then when it comes down to it like i
heard you talking earlier um uh genity i don't know you say your name um um you working out is
huge as far as people like energy and like people come in be like feeling crappy like whatever
whatever they they come out from a workout if you were ever worked in a gym facility like you see it
like people like will be whatever and they walk out and then it's like for what for a second it's
like it doesn't even matter so like uh i can completely relate to that i would just real quick
to your your exercise comment though at the end of the day, people
want to feel wanted. People want to feel needed and people want to feel good. And if you can
correlate that and translate that at the gym, people want to feel heard. They want to feel
loved, right? Even if it's not inappropriate love, they just want to feel that. So if you can make
them feel that they're going to be motivated in other ways to try to impress you, right?
And when they and in doing so, they're they're going to be motivated in other ways to try to impress you, right? And in doing so, they're making themselves healthier.
I want to call on Nora.
I love Nora.
She always pops up during these man-woman conversations.
Hi, Sintani.
Hi, everyone.
Oh, my God.
Another great topic. And yeah, I think if men tomorrow woke up and collectively said,
we're going to put an end to say, for example, OnlyFans,
then there wouldn't be any OnlyFans and, you know,
artists or whatever they call themselves.
And it literally comes down to that.
Just men united and saying, saying look we're gonna take
charge this is not gonna continue i'm gonna put an end to it that's all it takes
and men also holding other men accountable for example you know to reduce and children
growing up without parents, also without fathers.
And we all know the role of a father in a child's life and how important it is for that child's development.
And, you know, some relationships do end, you know, and that is okay.
However, you know, if you divorce the woman or you separate from the woman,
and, you know, don't do that to your child as well you know
you don't have to sever that relationship with that child that you created with that woman
but i also understand and the other side of the coin is that a lot of women are are vindictive
and they're the one who cause uh troubles especially they cause you know reft between those children and
their father so it's just i think it's just seeing a from a balanced perspective but you know to just
emphasize on what you were saying sinthani it comes down to just men yeah i think it comes
down to just masculine men just taking charge being assertive i'm not talking about and oppression here i'm not talking about dictatorship
here i'm not talking about abuse here i'm talking about assertiveness leadership i'm talking about
strength i'm talking about just embodying those those traits of leadership strength and assertiveness
those dynamics are what allows women to thrive in her femininity.
And yes, and to also emphasize what you said, I don't have never,
yes, there are exceptions to every rule, as Hitch's laugh says all the time.
But I don't think the majority of women are satisfied or happy with life and by just you know prioritizing their careers over family you know and love and we are still in young girls in society but I don't think in
the long run that's what makes us happy I am at least vulnerable and honest enough to admit that I have a career, but I also know it's not the it thing that makes me happy.
And it is a career.
It is a means of making an income.
And I love what I do.
But at the end of the day, it will never replace family.
And I'm sure you guys can all relate to that.
So, you know, we can see in Hollywood, for example, like constantly, like, you know,
the woman has to have a career and, you know, she sacrifices family, children and a loving spouse over that.
And it just never works.
A lot of women are on antidepressant. Look at the antidepressant
rates in the last 35 years. Just look at the studies that have been done on antidepressant
rates in women from 1990 till 2025 and it's tripled. So women, look at what anti-depressant rates for women
between the ages of 18 and 45 and then we might ask what's actually
contributing to this there are many theories but I do believe it all comes
down to an abandonment of of social relationships and family what do you guys think yeah the the the hang up
here is like whenever I start talking about like also if you hear a lisp it's because I'm wearing
um whitening strips I'm getting ready to go outside so I'm putting on makeup sorry but um
when I start talking about like, stop holding the women accountable,
men get very upset. And they say, well, what? This girl ruined my life. And she was a bitch whore.
And blah, blah, blah. It's like, women are accountable for a number of things. One,
they need to keep the man in love that's complicated and it requires
being crafty uh it is the woman's job to keep a man in love with her when i'm talking about like
sustaining a nuclear family she is accountable for that um but the rest of it truly is like in
the same way that sort of strips the autonomy of the man.
It is like brain hacking.
It is the woman's job to brain hack a man into staying in love and committing even though it's against his nature.
That's what she is accountable for.
But the rest of what she's accountable for really the man is also in control of.
If you are a dominant man who is doing what he needs to be
doing in his life, she will naturally submit to you. And this is where the men get really upset
because they know some woman that didn't submit to them and they don't want to take accountability
for the fact, well, you weren't being man enough. Like that's, you need to hack her hormones in the
same way she hacked yours. She did your job or her job by
keeping you in love with her. It is your job to keep her submissive to you. And this largely when
you say like, well, the women should cognitively do this. No, it's a hormonal reaction between a
woman and a man. She will fall in line and submit to you if you are doing your job properly. So if you're dealing
with women that are like chaotic and blah, blah, blah, you need to understand the reality. There
are hormones at play here. There's biology at play here. If she is leaving, cheating, blah, blah,
blah. The woman experience is not your experience. Your job as a man is to be cognitive and lead.
your experience your job as a man is to be cognitive and lead her job is really mostly
to it she's not in control of it and the feminists don't like hearing this either but it's a fucking
truth she she she will fall into line and so the most feminist woman in the world i don't give a
shit she believes in like being a man when she meets a man she submits to him she hates it about herself which is stupid
but she's biologically programmed to do that um we can't help it and we shouldn't be demonizing
this we shouldn't be getting angry at the women um and it doesn't mean women are stupid robots
either we're designed this way to keep a family afloat. So like if the men culturally realize this
and started taking accountability, and you'll see it sometimes they do. Like the men that go to the
gym, they get pissed off. Oh, I was a fat loser and she left me and cheated. And now I'm a hot
man and girls like me now. It's like, that's what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to see pain and conflict and trial and overcome it it is it is the role
so i see the thumbs down but what i'm saying is saying anything else is feminizing to women it
does not benefit the man to tell them yeah she was a dumb whore um it's her fault this does not
benefit any man it will keep him stuck in that cycle and he will keep having women that mistreat him, blah, blah, blah.
And in the same way, when I say what the woman is accountable for is keeping the man in love, you have all these women running around saying, oh, he's a narcissist.
He's avoidant, blah, blah, blah.
No, he just didn't love you.
You didn't do your job keeping your
natural biological job you were not feminine enough you started nagging and attacking and
being a man and you pushed him away and he didn't he's not in love with you that's why he's acting
like a psychopath that's the woman what she is accountable for but in terms of directing a family forward or directing society
forward holding the woman accountable is acknowledging that the men are women and need the
need the women to lead them this is this is more bullshit you cannot say the only fans girls are
ruining it it's exactly what norah said if the men came together and said hey fuck this only fan stuff and all unsubscribed
those girls would be a library girls guarantee you they would adapt to their situation as their
their hormones as their biology dictates i know i've been ranting but and i see skindy but i do
want to go to zora first because I saw him thumbs me down.
Well, thank you, dear, for the preference there.
And a big respect to the panel here with Sally.
I really appreciate your comments in harmony.
We have the physical trainer crow over here with Glenn, too.
So much respect to you guys.
I hope you're having a great day.
But honestly, Zantani,
I actually agree with a lot of what you're saying,
but I got to preface this with what I should be prefacing everything I say,
folks.
Don't believe a damn thing I say.
These are just my opinions and things that I have seen to at least kind of mirror in my personal experience.
And what I've seen is this I could sum up in a couple quotes from my absolute like probably favorite movie ever is The Dark Knight
with Heath Ledger who unfortunately passed away he said that Batman and him, their dynamic was what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object.
What I can equate to this situation goes something like this.
The man is the force because he's always moving forward.
The woman is the defense.
She is the immovable object.
the immovable object. What I'm seeing happening in current society is we got a bunch of horny men,
which I would not really give too much credit in my day. And then we have women who are that
last line of defense. So when you see that they put the blame on the women a lot, that's where
it's coming from. Because if that immovable object remains immovable, there wouldn't be that extra added whorishness in society, if that makes any sense.
It'll stop that unstoppable force, so to speak, if that defense is there.
That's where that argument comes from, in my opinion. The other thing about this, there was a lot you said, Zantani, and the big critique
that I would have for myself is I just am not going to look to a chick who really doesn't
respect either me or my values, and I'm just going to leave, like, not even given the time
of day. This is a personal thing. Like, they can say things like they're conservative, that they're logical, they like to communicate.
I'm going to look at their actions and I'm going to look at how they behave because everything that someone claims is just going to be a big form of hypocrisy if it doesn't really show how they really act.
And I would just encourage everyone, if you do have principles, do you have morals, those got to come first.
And if you stand on those, God willing, you'll find the correct path and you'll find the right
person along that path. That's what I have to say to this. But for the most part, I agree with you.
So I'm not saying that if a man is sexually attracted to a woman who's like,
rolling around in the mud and doing cocaine and whoring herself out that he should chase her,
right? All things in somewhat moderation. But the mindset you're addressing, this is men
adapting to a culture. When you say, I'm not going to give her the time of day,
this is a sexual selector sentence.
This is something that is built into the biology of women.
Women are supposed to say things like that.
He's not doing this, that, what, the other.
I'm not going to give him the time of day.
That's the role of the sexual selector.
And so the men are adapting as well to this weird society.
But it goes off balance when you do that.
What a man should be thinking, and again, in moderation, so I'm not talking about in the
case of some girl who's, yeah, rolling around in the mud and doing heroin and what the fuck ever.
Yes, something's wrong with you if you're attracted to that. But let's say you just
have a woman, you're attracted to her, she's smart, she's capable, she has a career, blah, blah, blah.
She's not submitting to you properly, but you do like her. Maybe you're not admitting it to
yourself, but you do like her. If she is not submitting to you, the healthy masculine thing
you should think is, I'm not meeting some bar because I'm the truth. The fact of the matter
is biologically, she will, she will submit to you. If you are what she determines to be
like a true masculine, like I said, even the most feminist women, you hear about it, man,
they're into that BDSM. They're super sub. They're super sub for their man.
Even the most feminist, like, I'm in control.
I'm an independent woman.
You put the right man in front of her, she'll do anything for him.
It is biology.
JoJo Siwa.
She just, she turned from a lesbian to back dead or a sexual.
Exactly.
Because this guy just swoped in and was like, I'm your white knight.
Exactly. But there's nothing we can do about it. I used to be gay. I used to think I was gay. And
I realized like, no, the men are just all women. I'm not attracted to any of them. And then I'm
like started meeting real men. And I was like, oh my God, I'm not gay. It's such a weird. Yeah.
It's deeply ingrained into us. We can't escape it. I love women. But I like my women
to be women and my men to be men, you know. A quick rebuttal, if it's okay, Zantani. And
there are those outliers for sure. The thing that I want to address here is this is what men are currently seeing. Again, generalized statement,
please don't take my word for it, is that men are doing kind of a bit more of the heavy lifting,
which is what's leading these statements to come around. And you can be a damn near perfect dude
and still get shit on left and right. That's where this frustration is coming from.
that's where this frustration is coming from.
And that's where statements like what I said came from,
because nothing, my trifecta of what I've experienced is this.
Nothing you do is ever good enough.
It's always the man's fault, and she is never to blame.
Countless times I've experienced this.
It's sad, but guess what?
I'm not giving up.
I'm keeping everything straight, doing what I got to do.
We'll see.
The world is not going to be the ultimate decider on how I live my life. And that's what I want to
keep pushing is if I have those principles and morals, if it doesn't even work out for me today,
I'm going to keep going to make sure it'll work out later on. And if it still doesn't,
If it still doesn't, so what?
so what? At least I've lived an honorable life. That's the main thing I want to give.
At least I've lived honorable life.
That's the main thing I want to get to.
But this is the cold, hard truth that I'm saying.
Women don't want to acknowledge the cold, hard truth that also the other accountability they're accountable for is self-sacrifice, which men and women both have to self-sacrifice.
It's also the woman's job to sacrifice her body, her beauty.
woman's job to sacrifice her body, her beauty, give her body over and take the saggy tits and
take the stretch mark belly and bring life into the world. It is a massive act of self-sacrifice
and to do it largely without being patted on the back. This is a part of the woman's accountability. But the man's accountability
is really not giving excuses. It truly, like if when you said like a man can be near perfect and
he'll still get shit on left and right, that's what I'm saying. No, no, then you're not near
perfect. Are you making enough money to provide for a family is and it's brutal it's
brutal to say this to a man and i understand it's brutal in the same way it's brutal to tell a woman
that basically her whole job is to make babies she's a baby make machine no woman wants to hear
this well it's the fucking truth it's self-sacrifice it's it's your role as a woman is to give your
body up to bring life into the world. But a man's job in the same
way is to acknowledge if you're suffering in the romantic sphere, you're not near perfect. You're
just not. Or the women would be kneeling down and submitting. They would. And a lot of that is like,
I understand it's unfair. It's an unfair society. you're not making enough money oh but the economy
blah blah blah it is your job to figure it out like yeah it's brutal you need to figure it out
that's what i'm saying i have kind of an example of this and tani so and i use my son as an example
because i don't know what i did but i did raise him right i raised him to be a man and understand
what his role was.
And his role was to provide for a woman.
So when he got of age, 18 years of age, 19,
he really, really liked this girl.
But, you know, he wanted to party.
He wanted to smoke weed.
I'm like, this is not conducive to a relationship.
If you're really wanting to have a relationship,
you've got to stop these behaviors
because it's not, it's going to be attractive
to the woman who just wants to party and has zero responsibility. So anyway, he found
this girl she really liked. He quit smoking weed. Went, because they went to welding school, so he
has a trade. So he, so you can't test positive for weed and have those kinds of jobs. So he quit.
got he did it all on his own bought testing kits tested his urine every day all on his own
He did it all on his own. Bought testing kits, tested his urine every day, all on his own,
his own money figured his shit out got a good job for good company got an apartment and then wants
to you know before you before he got the apartment you know he's like finally i have money i could
take this girl out on a date and properly court her because he liked her but he knew instinctually
that a woman needs to be taken care of. Like he won't let her
pay for anything, right? She has her own money. That's fine. But he takes care of her and she
dotes on him. And he is very, I sat down with her and I told her he is a very traditional man. If you
do not want to have a family, you don't want to have kids and you're not going to go along with
his lead. Don't waste your time because this is
who he is. And there's nothing you're going to do. That's going to change him. You're going to be
unhappy. He's going to be unhappy and you guys will be together. So I had that conversation with
her very lovingly, but she is a traditional woman grew up traditional where she does want to have a
family. She wants to have all of those things. And I said, and you have to let him take care of you
because that makes him feel good.
That makes him feel like a man. So you can't say, Oh no, no, no, let him do things for you because
that makes him feel good. But now, I mean, they've been living in an apartment, 20 years old,
all by themselves. I don't financially help them at all. And they're happy and they're,
and it's so funny and fun to watch them play into banter. And you know that when he says it's time to go, it's time to go.
He is very masculine, not controlling, but he knows himself.
He knows what he wants.
And he is not going to let a woman dictate what he does.
At the same time, he will give her the world.
Anything she desires, she'll get.
So it's that submissive thing that Zantani is speaking of.
And I can just see it because I've seen it play out in real life and to see this young couple whether they make it or not i don't
know hopefully they do because they're happy together they blend together they understand
their roles but they communicated it i could communicate to him how he's got to kind of
you got to have some softness right you gotta you you can't be all hard my way or the highway
right and she needs to not always kowtow, but she needs to pick her battles.
And anyway, so that kind of hopefully that story made sense.
But what Antonia is saying is 100 percent true that there is the role of man and woman.
And women are just like, oh, I can be a man. I can have a man's job.
Well, yeah, you can. Right. But what but what what is making what is society lacking?
And it is your fault, men. If you allow a woman to push you around, demoralize you, that's not you. You need to change you. Doesn't
mean you have to be an asshole. You can be strong without being a dick, but you can not, I, this is
unacceptable. This is a red line. Like her, you cannot talk to guys. You can't guys phone numbers
in your phone. This is
a hard line. You do that. We're done. Right. And he will, he'll cut it off in a heartbeat
and he will not go back because that's, but she, but she knows the rule. It's not a surprise.
This is a hard line for me. And anyway, I'm going to relent. I know you have hands up,
but I just want to bring that home because that's exactly what Zantani is talking about.
Yeah, no, I want to respond to it
because uh this experience of realizing I'm not gay I notice like we're really doing men a
disservice because men do not especially men without the right fathers there's no input real
input of like what being a man is and I can't fucking i i don't know all the semantics
of being a man but i can say as a self-righteous uh raised in feminism whatever i can tell you
what makes me submit is not a man saying to me that he's the authority and being controlling
it's actually what what I respond to biologically,
hormonally, which again, I'm not in control of. I notice my hormones doing these things.
It's not a man asserting dominance. It's just being dominant. Like the men I submit to don't
fucking ask me to do anything. Yes, they have hard boundaries I'm
not allowed to cross, but they're not bitching at me. They're not saying, I'm the man. Listen to me.
Listen to me. That's the woman's job. It sounds feminine when a man is like, I'm the dominant.
I am me. Me. I have the power. Listen. This is a woman complaining it's what i hear and my body
responds to that as and yeah in my behavior i become the masculine when a man is saying please
submit please submit he's nagging like a woman um you get all dried up right just yeah it's not
you know myron gains is like one of these and he's really leading men astray in this way, because I know for a fact, like, he preaches that he says, tell the woman you're the man, she better listen to you, blah, blah, blah.
It's like, there's so many things going wrong when a man says things like, what do you bring to the table to the woman?
to the table to the woman. There's already so many things wrong there because in the,
like hormonally, if you are not wanting to please a woman and sort of save her and provide for her,
something's wrong already. Because if you're asking a woman, what do you bring to this?
You're being a woman without even realizing it. You should, as the man, want to
serve, want to protect, want to provide and be happy doing so. If you're not, you're not in love
with this woman. What are you doing? Like the whole thing is fucked from the get. Men also have
this biological drive. And while I was discovering this, I thought it was so bizarre because I also
had this mindset when I started meeting men and they were, you know, giving me flowers, providing, doing things for me.
I'm sitting there thinking, what does he get?
What is he getting out of this?
I did not understand that it's a part of this hormonal relationship that forms.
When he does these things for me as a woman it makes me
attracted to him i feel safe with him i become more feminine and he is it pleases him to do this
because he likes me uh that it's if he's analyzing me and deciding whether he wants me or not. He's being a woman.
It's the woman's job.
I wanted to point out a few things.
I heard a few times, like, it's the man's fault.
It's not so much fault, but responsibility.
And what it is, it's guys tend to fail the responsibility at the responsibility part. Like, something went wrong. Okay. You have, as a man,
you have a responsibility to act. It may not be your fault, but you have a responsibility to do
an action, to make a decision, to lead. If you defer that to her, you are showing her that you
are not qualified or competent in your innate design, which is problem solving. Men are problem solvers.
As you mentioned earlier, men's innate design is to problem solve. That's why guys, when their
girl starts getting all crazy and they start telling them about their problems, the guy wants
to just fix it. And sometimes the girl just wants them to listen, to validate her feelings.
But because the guy's innate design is to problem solve, he wants to validate her feelings. But because Guy's innate design is too
problem-solved, he wants to solve her problems. So later he can get some nookie later. That's
ultimately what it is. He doesn't want her not to be in the mood later. So he tried to solve the
problem rather than validate it. And that could be a problem too. So, but we don't have men raising men today to be men. We have a society of defective women with penises.
Just to be honest.
It's a bunch of men raising boys.
We're different.
That's why you need a mom and a dad.
I'm divorced, but I lived 10 minutes from my ex intentionally because the kids need a father figure in their life, right?
Visitation should be 50-50, right?
You should raise your kids together.
They're not a possession.
They're not property because they need both of those roles.
And when you say it's man's fault, it is your fault.
If you put up with someone who nags you and bitches at you and you're just trying to solve problems because you want nookie, you're failing yourself.
You're not having self-respect.
And that is beta bitch ass move.
I'm just going to tell you that you have to look at this.
It's failing.
Is that me?
Is it her?
And if it's you, you better, you have an option.
You leave, move on because you deserve to be happy.
And relationships are not supposed to be hard.
People are like, ah ah they have to be
miserable no they don't you're just if it's hard you're with the wrong person it's not working
i also want to say in terms of like validating the um i also think this you're like almost on
the right track but it's like this thing that society culturally we're not training men or women and they're losing a a chance to bond is like um
women do want you to fix it but it's like when a woman is complaining about something are you
fixing it or are you telling her how she can fix it because that's very different i also realize
this while realizing i'm not gay is like was complaining about a problem in my workplace.
And the guy made a call and literally fixed it for me.
He had the power and the wealth and the, you know, whatever.
This is what I'm talking about.
It's like naturally when he did that, I was like, whoa.
He actually did this for me.
He fixed the problem for me.
Like, again, hormonally, biologically, I couldn't help it.
I started to submit and respect this guy because he has power, because he has wealth, because he has these things.
And he's dominant in nature.
He's not telling me to submit.
He's just being a man and I'm naturally doing it.
See, that was the other thing I wanted to mention. Guys are so focused on female submission when they
actually need to be focused on, do they inspire that woman to submit to them? If they are more
concerned about if they are inspiring her to submit and not so much whether she is submitting or not, that takes, it's okay.
Because a lot of it comes from the Bible.
Nowhere in the Bible does it say, husbands, remind the wife to submit to thee.
Nowhere does it say that.
Okay.
So if you're playing an issue with your woman not submitting, it's probably because she is seeing an inconsistency in your leadership that you're not doing.
And you need to take some self-reflection first before blaming her.
Not saying that that's always the case, but in the cases that I've counseled,
most of the time is the guy has not been consistent in certain areas.
And they may seem so small and not insignificant, but those little things do add up yeah and i understand like the
masculine reaction to that being well i'm not gonna simp i'm not gonna blah blah blah you're
basically telling the man to trust that if he really did focus on himself she would submit
and it's hard for the man to believe that like it but but it is just a biological fact it's hard for the man to believe that. But it is just a biological fact. It is telling the truth. If she is not submitting, you're either going above your league, that's a very real possibility, or you need to up yourself to where she is submitting it can be done and it's the whole storyline of the man saves the woman from
the tower well if she's not if she's not coming out of the tower door uh she doesn't you're not
tall enough or big enough or strong enough to open that door that's what's happening your job
is the masculine you find a princess you want you need to get strong enough to climb up that tower if you can't
climb up the tower she's not going to come out the door it's it's it's a natural process i want
to go to sally and then skindy because she's been here so this is the thing though and this is where
everything gets lost is people think submit be that means one thing. Being dominant means another thing because of the whole dominatrix, dom and submissive.
That's not what it is.
I willingly am going to go to the moon and back for you because you do all these things
and you make me feel a certain way.
That is submitting.
I'm willingly doing these things because I love you.
So it's not like, bitch, go to your room.
Bitch, shut up.
I'm the man I'm speaking. Shut your whore like, bitch, go to your room. Bitch, shut up. I'm the man I'm
speaking. Shut your whore mouth, right? People actually say this. I've heard this in spaces
where I am an intelligent person that could add to a conversation. Bitch, you're a woman. Shut
your whore mouth. Those exact same words from our famous people that, you know, the Myron
Gaines crowd, right? But if you make me feel a certain way i will i will go tired i will sacrifice myself
to make sure that you have what you need because you're taking care of my basic need which is you're
my protector you're protecting me from someone coming into this house and doing something horrible
to me or you're just like opening my car door right that is a dominant act opening a car door
for a woman is a very dominant act.
It shows that you actually give a shit in care.
And anyways, but the definitions of those words are misused and they're used to manipulate children to go further away to what this traditional thing.
You want to call it traditional? I want to call it biological.
Getting back to the biologics of men and women and how we're wired.
It is, yeah.
And the reason they're saying that, I know why the Myron Gaines and the Andrew Tates are saying that.
It's because it simulates submission.
But that woman you're calling a whore bitch slut who like quietly sulks out of the room and listens to you is not a cohesive
partnership. She will also make your life a living hell. If you're treating her, she's not submitting
to you. You're just beating her down. But she's going to go crazy and she's going to end up keying
your car and getting you fired from your job. And like the whole thing's fucked. She's going to,
she's going to say you raped her even if you didn't, or maybe you did because you're being psycho in the first place. It's like
that relationship is not a woman submitting. That's a man, a man forcing something into place
when dominance, my experience of true dominance is very quiet. It's very stoic. He never says he's the dominant. He doesn't need to.
I understand. My body understands. I need to listen. Skindi, go ahead.
Hi, everyone. Thanks for having me on your space, Zintani. Hi, Sally, and lovely to meet you,
Harmony. I want to push back just a little bit on the general
shitting on career women, and I'll tell you why. So for context, I come from an immigrant family.
My parents are Somali. They were refugees when they moved to the United Kingdom.
So there is no boss babe, feminist influence in my history, culturally speaking. I'm Muslim as well, so
family values, traditional values, marriage and having children is central to our tradition.
But when I was growing up, before I was even 20, when I was leaving school and thinking about what
to do after, the women in my family who had traditionally stayed at home and relied on income from the
husbands for generations were all beginning to give us girls advice and the advice was to become
financially independent before you start a family. Now I was aware of feminism when I was young and
I thought this is quite feministic of my family members to tell me and it's quite it opposes
everything that they stand for and everything that they believe.
But I followed the advice anyway.
I went to university.
I got two degrees.
I relocated.
I work in tech and I'm financially independent woman at the moment.
However, had I not listened to my non-feminist, uneducated, barely English-speaking aunts, grandmas, parents, whatever,
my life would have probably turned out quite bad, to be honest. And this is what comes to my mind
when I hear conversations about career women and women delaying having children for marriage.
Let's be honest, how many of the women on this panel
are financially dependent on a man? I don't think a lot of you are. I think a lot of you went out
and got financial independence first. It's not because you are obsessed with a career or status
or you want to be a boss bitch, it's because you are terrified of poverty. And poverty is painful
for women, especially women who have children
I think the questions we need to start asking ourselves is what's worse for women to be single
and secure and stable where you can look after yourself financially or to be at the risk of
poverty with five children we need to ask ourselves that question that's a really really important
question um we've got divorce that happens in the world today.
A lot of the time, people complain about alimony and child support and splitting assets.
Well, if we want women to not get an education and not work and not be financially independent,
but if their marriages fall apart, they also shouldn't get access to alimony and child support.
What? Is it de-incentivizing or disincentivizing having children?
This is the strongest argument for feminism, okay?
And we keep giving the feminists exactly what they think makes their point.
So I have a daughter now.
She's only four.
And even though I'm, like, I'm'm not a feminist I don't really care about that
I'm I'm very very invested in women's interests children's interests family interests my daughter
I will encourage her to seek financial independence before she gets married and she won't regret it
and I didn't regret it and I don't think any woman on this panel regretted it either thanks I want to say I don't think you are um
pushing back at all like actually what I would say is like you're completely correct but what I'm
saying is like that's not fair to you so accountability wise yes like right now in society
this is what we were talking about earlier is women have
adapted. But what I'm also saying is that experience and that life that you've led,
you're doing what you need to do to be a mother, but you should not have had to.
Like the truth is, I think, and I don't want to shit on anyone, is like what I'm saying is like the woman who becomes the man then has to balance being a man and a woman.
And it is just not doable in, it's too much stress on the woman.
too much stress on the woman. Like it's not, you're adapting, but I, I bet you doing this,
being financially independent and then raising children, I believe on your own,
you are accomplishing, trying to accomplish a feat that is next to impossible. And it's just
not going to function the same way that it would have if a man carried
some of that burden for you. Because when you- I agree with you 100%.
Yeah, the children will turn. I'm not saying you're a bad mother at all. I'm saying you are
looking at the world and adapting as you're built to do. You're built to adapt and you're doing the
best you can. but you're probably
more stressed out than you'd be in a timeline where you had a man that took on his role as a
man. The children are probably a bit more stressed out. I'm sure I've seen single mothers do amazing
jobs or like women that take on both these roles, raise fantastic children, but there's some
timeline where the man was there,
where the children and you are all doing better. So I'll just say one last thing. I've got to get
ready for work if you don't mind. I agree with you a hundred percent, like in terms of vision,
like your vision and everything you guys have been talking about in this space,
I'm in line with that. When I think about giving women the tools to be financially
independent, this is a survival tool. This is a safety net. It's not the ideal. The ideal
is that if you are focusing on raising the children, you don't want the stress of the
bills and the mortgage and the money and the taxes. You don't want that stress. I know the
stress and you're 100% right, Zintani. I consider myself a stay-at-home career woman,
trad mother or whatever, like everything. Yes,
I stay at home. I work from home. I work in tech. I bring in the money. I raise my daughter. I do
everything. Is it ideal? No, but I'm so glad that this safety net existed and it would be better
if men did take on the responsibility of providing financially for families and that there be a
system that ensures that mothers do not experience
poverty and children do not experience poverty in the event that a marriage falls apart but there's
just no system that we can guarantee at the moment or that we can rely on so we've just got to figure
out tools to be independent and um some of these i'm grateful that they exist that's essentially
what i wanted to say but thanks for having me i've got to run i got um have to get ready for work but it's been nice
chatting yeah it's also like some of the fucking flaw of this is like this is some of the self
sacrifice that the woman has to do is like if we were talking about a solution here reverting back
to traditionalism well a lot of these women are
going to get signed up to submit to a man that is not going to do his job well and it's her job then
and this sucks ass but it's her job to deal with the man that is not being a man and do her best
and and submit i guess to him and to the family to the best of her ability this is like part of that self-sacrifice
in this shitty uh shitty situation is like we messed with the nuclear family and kept getting
crazier and crazier with it ideally the father is supposed to be there to help find the husband it's
why it's why these things were in place and why it works so well. The man goes and asks the
father, can I marry your daughter? That's there for a reason. The man is supposed to protect,
be this sort of fail safe to make sure that the daughter is not going to land with some man that's
fucked up. But now we're so far away from that culture. It's like we're birding back would be so complicated.
The solution cannot be, well, now we take away the rights of women and we let them, we lock them into a house.
It's like, no, we fucked with the whole culture so much.
We're so far away from biology at this point.
It's like, how do we get back?
Sally here.
Or Harmony?
What was that?
I need to charge my phone
because I'm leaving in like an hour.
Could you guys call on the hands?
Yes, ma'am.
Carrie, you're next.
Am I now?
Well. Perry, you're next. Am I now? Well, it seems to be in the last sort of five, six years or so,
a constant topic that gets up, does the rounds,
and solutions aren't forthcoming because I'm not sure they are because it seems within the
and solutions aren't forthcoming because I'm not sure they are,
discourse for maybe the last thousand or so years it keeps doing this it keeps popping up
and I think part of the problem is that we take a view of history the history of relationships especially and the history of men and women and we we somewhat take
a univariant view of it and that's to say that we look at what worked as the ideal outcome and say
it used to be that whereas of course it never was it never was just that the sheer variety of outcomes from all sorts of relationships that
there have been between men and women all sorts of marriages throughout history isn't reflected
in the laws that govern it it's reflected in the lives that were lived by the children and indeed
by the husbands and the wives and whatever combination of power bonding you want
to look at. We can certainly look at trends and say that it was slightly better in this time
overall. But if you look back at the 1950s, and you look at certain rates of certain things that
we'd view as negative, they are absolutely sky high. and is that because of the nuclear family no not really
but it wasn't solved by it either you look back at the medieval era and you say well actually that
was a lot better in terms of certain levels of stability within society at certain points and
in certain places and it was perfectly normal to invite a bunch of people to your house, have a party, pray together, and then actually have sex in front of each other, walk around naked, bathe together.
None of this needs to be reintroduced.
It's ultimately, I think, about communication.
if you are looking to dominate without trying and have submission. If any of these are actually in
your mind incentive, simply acting as best as you can to be as good a man as you can and to learn
from mistakes, that's going to see you right. Unless you do that, if you're focusing in on
end goals instead of on, well, there's no other way to put it, virtue, broadly speaking, and focusing
in on your performance in every possible aspect of your life, which is difficult, and being willing
to fail. Unless you're doing that, then you'll end up becoming some kind of lover boy snake oil salesman or a loser and ultimately left behind.
And, well, we're seeing the results of that today, I feel.
Sorry, no penis jokes today.
I should think of one before coming up next.
No, I really actually, Serena, I really appreciate it.
Don't fucking start now, Zintani.
Don't fucking start.
I swear to God, you know my name.
You will say my name. You will submit.
Serena, please.
No, I actually really appreciate that pushback because I worry sometimes when I talk about these things that I'm coming across as if the solution is simple and I think I have this all figured out. Like, no, what Serena is talking about is absolutely valid.
Like, of course, these things are more nuanced and complicated than that.
And I also want to say, like, I don't think there's any simple solution here for, like, how to go forward.
But what I'm more talking about and I'm very confident in is the fact that like hormonally, biologically, we have lost the plot.
And this is a fact. Like there are hormones that allow certain things to work and certain things to not work.
And we have unanimously across the board denied this on both sides.
denied this on both sides. The right and the left are refusing to acknowledge, all of the people are
refusing to acknowledge the hard truths about the roles between men and women. Not to say there are
not certain women that are more masculine. Ayn Rand, I don't think we should eliminate women
that have masculine traits from being in those roles, merit-based.
Every once in a while,
you have like a very masculine woman
who does a fantastic job in that role.
I don't think you should strip her of her job.
The woman who invented fucking Wi-Fi, you know?
I bet you that, and she was a feminine model,
but in her mind, she was very masculine thinker.
Who was that nuclear bitch?
Marie, what the fuck ever.
So like, I'm not saying across the board, every single person will do well in this type
of dynamic.
What I am saying is that there's a lot of women who are absolutely feminine women
pretending to be men because they've been told to and they're lying uh these women are lying
we are built to adapt we are built to submit and holding women as a demographic responsible for society is stupid across the board that that that's what
i'm asserting is like the biology where we're not looking at like the fact
but i agree that that you know it's always more complicated than it's not like we're in a bunch
of shit birth rates are absolutely declining and it absolutely, this is playing a role in it.
We're telling the women to be men.
And even the men are criticizing the women when they are women.
When the men say like, what are they bringing to the table?
That's not their job, asshole.
It's your job to bring the table and the silverware and the meat.
And she needs to cook it. That's her job. She cooks the food. to bring the table and the silverware and the meat and she needs to cook it.
That's her job.
She cooks the food.
You bring the food.
You bring it raw.
She cooks it.
You're deviating from that and saying, well, she's not bringing enough food to this table.
You're criticizing her for being a woman.
You're beating down the last feminine traits that are existing
in women as if it's their fault. And it's working. The women are getting masculine and the men are
not in love with them anymore. Good job. Go ahead, Zora. Well, thank you. Sorry, Serena still got me.
I really respect. He's got the greatest jokes. I was hoping
for one, but my final comments on this dear, and thank you again for entertaining me is, um,
I think this is kind of coming at a little backwards from what I'm hearing. And again,
I'm not an ultimate authority on this. It's just my opinion, folks. Um, I can give you three examples near and dear to my heart of
marriages that have failed, that have gone to counseling, where the counselor has looked at
the woman and said, are you fucking stupid? That's to say, the men are at least trying,
are doing their part the best they can, and it's still not enough. Again, this is not to discourage
men. Men got to keep doing it. It's just this disgusting
reality that we're in where society is incentivizing broken families, divorce, and single children and
single parents. Now, that being said, it honestly really doesn't change the trajectory that men
need to be men and women need to be women. The final thing I'll deposit here, Zantani, is this. The reason you're
probably hearing that men are saying like women need to like say what they're offering, what are
you offering, is because the initial demands are coming from the woman's side, which in and of
itself is already a masculine role, should not be taken by the woman from the get-go. That's just something
I've experienced as well. Women I've talked to, they're like, well, I want this, this, this,
and this. I'm like, wait a second. We haven't even got to know each other. Why are you telling me I
should be this type of man when I don't even know what kind of woman you are? And that's where that
is coming from. It's like on this disgusting back foot situation. But again, if the men were to be men,
and I'm saying this again, they're going to be the force. They're the first line of defense when
it comes to families. Now, society has broken down the first line with all the divorce and
the alimony and child support payments. The women are the last line of defense. And that's where I think
if the women could hopefully, or society, God willing, we get the women up, be that last line,
men can step in and be that first line again. And that's my opinion, folks. Again, thank you
once again, Zantani. God bless.
Well, I would push back on that again and say, well, yeah, that is the woman's job is to say, I want
this, this, this, and this. That's the sexual selector. I want a man who does this, this, this,
and this. But I will say in your credence and another complication that we've added in a man's
to, to the man's defense, which makes everything way more difficult. You, men are facing more trials in being a man than probably ever before.
It is so emasculating to men.
And the reality is you exactly the way you are 100, 200 years ago.
It may be the case that you were like an ideal man that any woman would submit to.
But we're in a different world now.
So like one of the unfair realities is hypergamy. I think it's, is it hypergamy? Where is,
is that what it's called? A woman is looking for the best man she can get. So this is one
of the complications is like, we should not criticize women for doing that because that is their job they're supposed to find
the best man they can get the problem is that the men also talk about that it is truly unfair
it's unfair to the women and the men is that the women are thinking that they can get better than
they can actually get and this is because of the internet um right now is the worst time in history
to have a harem,
as you're seeing from Elon Musk. Because if you can get one billionaire, you can get another
billionaire with more money. And the woman's job, also accountability-wise, once she has committed,
it's also her job to stay there on the basis of, let's say he's a good man. He's providing for you.
He's taking care of you.
If you're leaving that man just because another man has more money,
you are denying, I'd say, your job as a woman.
However, I'd also say, because men think most women are like this,
I'd also say this is a rarity.
This is a fucked up woman.
This is a woman who didn't,
it's some sort of daddy issue and she's adapted. Because biologically, hormonally, again,
women want safety in a nest. They want to stay in one stable place. So if a woman is doing that,
I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but I will say it's rare. If you're seeing this often,
I don't know, you're hanging around weird crowds of people because biologically it's just not likely. A woman is way more likely to stay in a safe place than venture out and see if there's another safe place. So there's something neurologically going on there.
Looking for the best man, the solution can't be that we tell women to not do that.
I guess the solution would be maybe we need to be more realistic.
We need to teach women like, you know, what is the difference between a man who wants to fly you out and fuck you one time and a man who's going to commit to you?
I truly think we should teach this in school is like the woman should be saying, I want this, this, and this. But in your defense, I think the things that women are saying are probably unrealistic.
They're just following their own biology.
We see in IQs, women tend to congregate towards the middle.
Most women are about 100 IQ.
They congregate towards the middle.
This is because it is their job to find the high IQ man, to even out and balance out the IQ and the genetics of the human genome.
They're designed to deny the men at the lower end of the bell curve and to seek the highest
that they can get.
If you don't have that control mechanism, we would have societies fall apart because
a woman would be choosing like stupid ones and the children would be stupid and empires
And the children would be stupid and empires would fall apart every other fucking day.
would fall apart every other fucking day.
So their job, their role in hypergamy, this is actually very beneficial to us as a species.
I know I'm like looping and reiterating, but I'm trying to explain like a very complex thing in simple words.
I don't know how well I did that.
Would you agree with that, Zora, or no?
I appreciate the reiteration. It's something I do a lot. Some people actually hate me for it. So I
apologize, but I agree with quite a few things you did mention there, Zantani. The only thing
that sticks out to me is that there is this sense of masculinity that comes across when a woman
makes demands of a man, especially before she's really even gotten or given the chance to know him.
Just a personal thing.
I'm on these godforsaken dating apps just because I don't have the time to get out and meet people in real life.
They have a full-blown paragraph of what they're expecting.
And then it's just me saying, hey, I want to get to know you.
And that's it.
So, like, it's just me saying, hey, I want to get to know you. And that's it. So like, it's just terrible. But again, anecdotal doesn't explain the whole thing. Unfortunately, I can see they have to be careful. But this one point you mentioned that I think the moral compass of society is totally broken down. I personally don't think money is a
sign of success. I don't think possessions are a sign of success. I think whether you have a
family, whatever that may be, whether you're content with what you have, I think is the biggest sign of success. And that comes probably from my personal faith where, you know,
you don't control how you're born. You don't have a conscious decision of how you want to be born
and say, hey, you know, I'm going to be born a human being. This is the life I want to choose.
I'm going to be a white man. I'm going to be a black man.
I'm going to have this family. I'm going to live in this country. You just open your eyes. You come
into this world and you have to obviously just make the best of it with what you can.
And if that's my premise, that leads me to believe that we have a certain foundation we need to
adhere to. And if that foundation of morality is totally destroyed, people looking for
possessions and money, that's where I think where all of this is stemming from. So I would submit
if we could fix that morality issue, we might actually have a good chance of fixing the
relationship and family issue. So I do stand in agreement with you there.
I'm really glad. No, yeah, Glenn, I'll go to you. But I did want to say I'm really glad that we fleshed this out because I'm actually in total agreement with you.
It is her job to say, I want this, this and this. But it's also, like I said earlier, the thing she's accountable for really is keeping the man in love. And yes, the way she's saying it is masculine. And this is, she is not doing her
job as a woman when she says to a man in a manly way, as if she's a man doing a business deal.
And this again is like, like the problem with culture is yes, that this shuts men off.
It's a woman saying, this is the deal. She's in a business suit almost. And she's saying,
do this, this, and this, or no deal. It's very masculine. When you look at like the feminine way of going about it is likely
quite quiet. You know, you're considering this man, if you're doing your job as a woman,
you're holding, you're maintaining your boundaries and you are assessing him quietly.
You're not telling him you need to do this this this and
this what happens is if she is assessing him he will naturally and she's being feminine about it
he'll naturally fall in love and figure out what the fuck she wants and he'll do it because he's
in love and he's pursuing her and this is what courtship is it's what it's what happens and the
interesting thing i've noticed over and over
again, um, I know that I know what I'm talking about here because I've gotten so many women
married at this point, having the same conversation with them that maybe I should be a fucking dating
coach is like, these are things I've discovered is like, I also used to do that. And sometimes
I revert back to it.
But the reason it happens is because no one's teaching women how to be women either.
So none of the men are falling in love with them.
And every single time I've gotten one of these women married,
the issue is always the same.
As they come and they're like, well, he doesn't like me anymore.
He's avoidant. He's a narcissist.
I'm like, bitch, okay, let's look at how you're talking to him.
And every single time there's some conflict like this where the man is like not being a man.
It is that the woman is being the man.
And I have to explain to them, you weren't taught how to be a woman.
So you're not understanding.
You're shutting him down.
He's trying to love you.
When a man comes to you and wants to get to know you, blah, blah, blah, that's the start of the courtship.
He's trying to fall in love with you instinctually.
And you're shutting him down by telling him you can do everything yourself.
If a man, like, you know, wants to take you on a date and you say, I want to pay for myself, or you say whatever, you're preventing him from bonding with you.
And that's why he's acting like a, quote, narcissist.
You need to be more feminine.
You're not stimulating his hormones.
It is always that.
It is always businesswomen who have been taught to be men and don't know how to be women. And when I talk to them and they start doing it and I say, listen,
just try it. Instead of calling him a narcissist and avoiding whatever, let him be a man and stop
criticizing him vocally. Just listen to me. Stop nagging him. And I've gotten, how many women have I gotten married at this point?
I think three women going on four.
It's always the same thing.
So in men's defense, this is absolutely also happening.
It's not always the men not being men.
Sometimes it truly is like you have a man who's trying to save you, who trying to court you and they shut they shut them down
yeah so i agree with you when a woman says i want this this this and this you're you're turning him
off he's a man isn't gonna you know that there's a there's a biological responsibility here for the
woman to to let let him be a man for you if you're if you're fighting him like a man you're just
turning him off and he doesn't
like you anymore.
It will always be the, always be the case.
Sorry.
Go ahead, Glenn.
Yeah.
I wanted to speak on the fact that I think hypergamy has a bad rap.
We hear it as like, oh, all women are hypergamous.
So that automatically means that they're looking to get with the next best thing.
That's a false narrative.
Actually, I think hypergamy is a good thing.
I have a daughter that's 21 years old.
She's in college, right?
I'm glad that she's hypergamous.
She has this filter to be able to suss out the guys that are of quality and of value
versus the fuck boys right um if she didn't have that how would she be able to select right so
i think what tends to be a thing is like the narrative from certain creators spin this like hypergamous thing as it's their it's doomsday and so what i
tell guys and guys that i coach i'm like look why are you even worried about hypergamy how about you
just become the best version of you that you could be and the women that are in your life
you will always be their best hypergamous choice because you are constantly improving.
You're not worried about this or that.
You are moving forward, leveling up.
Who would want to leave that?
Nobody would.
So it's just one of those things that guys need to worry about what they have control over.
And the only thing they have control over is themselves.
That's why I said women love a man that's in control, but they hate a controlling man.
A controlling man is a man that's weak and he's trying to enforce or domineer his will upon them rather than just being the guy that these women just desire to submit to or desire to please.
There's a big difference. Yes. Yes. That's exactly what I'm saying. Like hormonally is like,
don't criticize the women for not submitting. And in the same way, don't criticize the man
for being a psychopath narcissist. I don't, I understand there are
true psychopaths and true narcissists, sure. But I think it's way more rare than, than the women
are making it out to be. Most of the time, truly, it's that he just does not desire to please you.
Men do naturally. If a man is in love, he does not tell that woman, what are you bringing to the table? Those aren't words of a man who wants that woman. He doesn't want her if he's saying things like that. Logical mechanism and it's also something i've noticed in billionaires i've talked about a couple times is all the billionaires I know and I know this is anecdotal
But they all have this really peculiar traits of like hyper
They're very positive people almost like to the point of delusion
Of like you can look at a situation
Like a man can where he likes a woman and she doesn't want
him. And you can say, oh, fuck women, hypergamy, blah, blah, blah. But you could take that same
situation and say, this is a reason for me to get better. And when you see a man doing that,
then we're talking about testosterone. That's what testosterone is, is competition, competitiveness,
we're talking about testosterone that's what testosterone is is competition competitiveness
which plays in the vasopressin it's like you can watch a man change his whole life for a fucking
woman and there's the fact of the matter is there's there's just no other um truly i i i think
i don't know if i'd upset people in saying this, but I truly think like the greatest men almost make muses out of some woman.
And then they do fucking remarkable things in pursuit of that woman.
It's not really about the woman.
It's just some like biological mechanism at play.
You just have a woman standing there, but she's everything to him.
Yeah, he's hunting.
He's competitive. He's got that testosterone going it's like when you sit and you complain
and nag about oh the woman doesn't want me blah blah blah you're being a woman it you should be
spurred on you should be angry not at her but angry at yourself like this is a part of the the beauty of masculinity i just don't
i see it thrown away so often it's like you could take all that hatred you have for that woman
and turn it in yourself into what you could be doing direct that hatred towards a drive
and accomplish maybe even get to the point where you don't even want that woman anymore.
That's, that's your, that's your whole biology and, and men just throw it to waste.
They say, oh, it doesn't feel good.
So I don't like it.
It's not supposed to feel good.
It's supposed to feel bad.
It's a military term embrace the suck
you know yes
you know
and it goes back to again
I spent this earlier guys are problem solvers
so what we
having a problem with right now is guys
we have too many men that are not problem
solvers women don't
like me why doesn't she like me you should
like me instead of shaming
women to like you that's very pathetic it's almost like asking for sympathy sex what they should be
doing is becoming again one don't do anything for the woman improve your life for you don't make the
woman your mission your mission is your mission but if you want to have better options, then improve your standing so that you have those options.
It's that simple.
Yeah.
I feel guys don't hate women for what they are.
Love them for what they are.
Respect them for what they're not.
or not and appreciate that but also it brings to mind too something that i think culturally
And appreciate that.
which is actually very unfair to men especially to little boys that we're doing and i think this
is like vicious it sounds nice and bubbly and fairy like but we're encouraging little boys to
be emotionally in tune and when you look at what you're actually teaching these boys,
you're just confusing the fuck out of them.
When women say, like, I want a man who understands his emotion,
no, the fuck you don't.
It turns you off.
It confuses the biology of the man.
And then you have things like that where from his perspective
like when he's um being in tune with his emotions and and sharing what hurts him rather than um
solving it he's just doing what he's been taught we we're teaching little boys to do this yeah
we're teaching them to be vulnerable and all that stuff yeah it doesn't benefit the biology of a man to sit and ruminate about
his feelings it benefits women we're built for that it just fucks with men you're not supposed
to understand like why you're sad and sit and talk about it you're fucking your own hormones up well
it's the difference between how men and women problem solve right um men Men say, oh, I have a problem.
Well, how does that make you feel?
I don't care how it makes me feel.
I want a solution.
Let's get to the solution.
Let's not talk about the feelings, right?
But I say men, men and women both experience emotions the same.
You know, men know their emotions.
I just say men need to have better emotional regulation.
No, we don't.
We don't experience emotions the same.
You can look at the neurology of it.
Meaning that we experience the same emotions.
We both experience anger, sadness, maybe not in the same manner or express the same way.
But we experience anger, sadness, joy, depression, all the same emotions.
joy, depression, all the same emotions. But if there's a difference between being emotionally
regulated, meaning knowing when to walk away or knowing when to exit the scenario to where that
you are not acting out emotionally, that's the difference. Yes. So like we know neurologically
women actually, and this is going to probably upset a bunch of men
because they might take it the wrong way so i just want to explain it thoroughly this might upset men
listening but we actually know i know a lot of people aren't going to believe this but women
are way more logical about their emotions than men are. They're built the activity from the limbic system
to the prefrontal is way more logically consistent in women than it is with men. So we're not,
no, no, let me, let me explain that. Cause men are going to get really upset. It's like,
when's the last time you've met a woman who punched a hole in the wall you know anger is also an emotion
so like keep in mind like we're talking about a lot like limbic system to prefrontal problem
solving attached to your emotions men just don't have that line of activity um so when you're
telling men to be emotionally in tune you're telling them to access one part of the brain that doesn't have strong access to the other.
And the result of that is they get pent up, they get upset, they get really angry, and they punch a hole in the wall or something because you're telling a man to do something he's not built to do.
A woman, and what I mean in like emotional logic ties you can tell a woman hey sit and think
and talk about what is hurting you and she will find some lesson in that in the way that women do
and she'll find some conclusion of like yes this is and it's like why women are sort of like
flowery they'll be like this chapter is coming to a close and i am recognizing the lesson i was
supposed to learn here men aren't built to do that so when we tell men to do that they're we're just
fucking with their emotions men have more um one-way thinking so if he's sad he should notice
he's sad but then he should use his prefrontal not his limbic system
don't don't think about the sadness think about why are you sad figure it out and then how do i
solve the thing making me sad that is the healthy way for a man to think it is it is the opposite
with women yeah yeah yeah with so so this idea that like women are these like illogical um emotional
beings i i'd say like culturally probably now we are but women do just naturally neurologically
have way more of a hold on the emotions not only of themselves but also of others around them i think it's also this this
idea that if you express your emotions that makes you emotionally intelligent and that just to me
shows me that you're emotionally not regulated if you are constantly you know breaking down or
constantly getting irate and lashing out. That's not emotional intelligence.
That's just emotionally irregulated.
Yeah.
All over your emotions.
You are actually making yourself more depressed when you do this.
It is like a severe atrocity.
I think that we're not teaching like the biological mechanisms of this in high
school.
We should be teaching the difference between men and women to the little boys and little girls is like when you ruminate, you are a man and you're
saying, I'm sad because of this. You're opening up to someone. You've been taught to do this.
You've been told to do this, but this is a fucking lie. What you're actually doing when you verbalize,
I am sad because this girl hurt my feelings. You are telling your brain to be sad because a girl hurt your feelings.
Women are not the same.
They can say that and find conclusion out of that.
But with you, with men, I'm talking general.
Of course, there are some men that are more feminine, but like general across the board,
you're training yourself to be depressed.
You're training your brain to know that you're a loser who is sad over a girl. It's a real thing. You should not be verbalizing
the, your greatest fears, your greatest regrets, your greatest sadnesses. When you verbalize it,
it's very toxic to you psychologically. I think actually that actually plays a big role in why we
see so many like um crazy young males in school doing some you know pew pew stuff um because they
they have been taught to we've been like i said we've been raising our our sons to be defective girls so you mix this
increase of feminine way of doing things plus all that testosterone and when it doesn't work
out for them that is like like a nuclear bomb ready to go off it's like the perfect storm yes and sally isn't here um so she might
have some bush pushback for me here but i saw the biggest indication of this um i'm so sad and feel
so sorry for little boys in utah uh they're really fucking up those boys. Um, I understand the religious mechanism, whatever,
but there is a culture in Utah to take little boys that are teenagers and having sexual thoughts
and tell them that's the devil. Every time you think about a naked lady, that's the devil. And
if you touch yourself, that's Satan. You're a bad demonic child.
And then these little boys are like, oh my God, because it's natural.
It's just a natural thing.
They grow up learning to like diffuse it and stifle it.
And then, yeah, with testosterone, if you talk to these mormon young adults i i've i've been across the country and never in my life have i felt like more rapey vibes than like those young adult men in utah
that aren't allowed to have sexual thoughts they will stare at your tits i understand men all over
the world look at tits okay but most men i've where i've been they don't lock in on the tits and cannot
look away most men will try to steal glances whatever okay but i'm telling you in utah
they fix it they can't look away they hate themselves for it and they can't control
themselves because they haven't learned how to regulate I'm not saying all people in Utah but
it's a thing. We and I are in the same city
right you know like we are in
the city where there's a lot of
glitz and glam a lot of flashness I work
in the film industry so I have
been around some of the most beautiful
women in the world right
they're still just people to me I don't
care who they are like I walk talk
to them hey how you doing hey get to set let's go we got we're gonna shoot in five right like i don't it's and what it
is is when people are not used to being around that caliber of people or if they're not used to
being around women in general they will yeah they will stare at them or they will you know get
fixated on the fact that they're beautiful um but when you're
rounded enough it kind of you kind of get like this desensitization to it they're like you're
desensitized to it you're like oh it's already i've been around women the same women yeah she's
pretty that's great good you know like you're not really hooked on it or stuck on that you're you're
looking for other things or you're looking at other things because those other things are more interesting now yeah i do understand this when i come on here and say like
men take accountability be men i do understand the unfairness of what i'm how unfair it is for
to say that but that because yeah i do recognize like we're not giving men
any fucking uh avenue to know how to be leaders like culturally we are stealing this from men
so once they've already developed and they're developed improperly then expecting a bunch of women that are men to be men is unfair. You say to these men,
well, man up. I understand this isn't, it's almost, you're asking the impossible because
they're already developed in the way they are. But the fact of the matter is like, it's a,
it's a biological reality. If you don't say that what are you gonna say the men do need to
man up they need to i don't know figure it out with the unfair whatever and lead us out of this
bullshit i would like to propose some actionable advice because i we've talked about a lot of what
the problem is and i think everybody could agree like yeah this is a problem you see this is a
problem so what now what next what should these men be doing or what should these women be doing? Right.
And so I, I have a book out, I mean, after my mentor's book and it's for men to help them get
out of this like red pill rage, black pill phase and focus on becoming a dominant masculine man and creating
this dominant masculine presence for themselves by focusing on seven principles, seven basic
skill sets that they should be using every day, that they have to use every day in order
to survive in general.
And a lot of these guys, they maybe have one or two of these skill sets that
they're really good at but they're not proficient at all seven and that's why they tend to see this
lack of success in their lives and once they kind of get away from the whole red pill female
hypergamy alpha beta nonsense and they're able to focus in on working on these seven skill sets we have
seen a lot of guys improve their lives i've seen marriages get restored i've seen guys level up in
their career and in their family life i've seen them help their own family like maybe their dad
was very soft-spoken and then now they're helping their dad out i mean it's great i mean we've helped
guys on the verge of suicide walk away from it and be able
to change their lives and right now i'm working on a book called um the elegant feminine presence
and it's about characteristics and traits that men seem to be drawn to women and that in based
off of just research and anecdotal history, what makes these relationships so
successful? Is it the boss babe chick? Or is it that there's these specific traits and
characteristics that these women have that are with these dominant masculine men that just
naturally make a good cohesive, you know, harmonious environment for the family off and raising and lifelong
partnership so i think stop worrying about what women are doing guys and focusing on leveling up
yourself for yourself and not making them so much the prize but your future the prize that kind of really puts things in better perspective
and when women come in your life you're in a better position to decide okay you know what
do i want to get in a relationship or not because you have the option
to yeah wait that sounds amazing do you have a link to your book actually i already sent it to
you in the dms you can put it in the jumbo if you want um yeah that's sort of the issue with
this whole thing when i start talking about this because like in reality um I can't I'm not a man so when I talk about these
things I'm I'm absolutely confident what I'm saying is true and I can say like I can tell
you very honestly what a woman's biology really responds to with truth I'd say like more than a
neurotypical woman who will have a tendency of saying she wants a certain thing, but it's not real.
So I'm confident in my capacity to know what women biologically respond to just because of how I am neurologically.
But I have no idea what the fuck being a man is.
I don't have testosterone governing me.
So I do think the biggest issue is truly like men don't have direction men don't
know what it is to be a man and i know for a fact these andrew tates and myron gains they're doing
the best they can i don't think they're evil i do think they're helping men but it's not sustainable. It's not the right answer.
Ultimately, until some man who's had a good father and knows how to be a social media influencer or something can be a leader for these fatherless men, I don't have much hope for like a cultural change.
Gary, go ahead.
Oh, thanks on that white pill. Thanks for that, Zintani.
I'm still tickled by your ultimate realization of your calling as a matchmaker.
When you do finally go back to that gingerbread house in the woods,
you can actually not wither crops and put curses on people you can actually just be that crazy tanglehead bitch in the woods that people go to for matchmaking advice so that that's good that we've sorted that out
and to Glenn as well as a an example that I'm bringing up sort of to to back in sort of the
thread that you two just went through as a fellow actor if we look to
Shakespeare if we look to Lady Macbeth the real smooth-brained moronic modern interpretation of
Lady Macbeth is she's the power she's the conniving one whereas actually she's not a sympathetic
character per se but she's a lot more complex in that she says at several points during Macbeth that she is doing her wifely duty in order to back up her husband and his ambition.
And she does it particularly well. And eventually she can't take it, of course.
But what we what we can look to there is that the idea of an overarching principle that governs duty in and of itself isn't enough.
You have to be a good person.
And it's the point that I made at the beginning.
A univariant view of anything to do with human interaction or flourishing is not sufficient.
If we look at just relationships, getting your house in order, a house has multiple rooms,
and it's in a neighborhood, and you have neighbors neighbors and you've got to look at the school district.
It's everything. And that's why it's so difficult.
And why snake oil salesmen saying sort out this one thing, sort out the one thing and you've got it and not to be trusted because it's far too complex.
We live in an unbelievably complex system.
And once you start to do the best you can,
try and aim for the shining city on the hill
with no hope of ever reaching it in this world.
The moment you start doing that, things do get better.
And you start to care less about attaining
the absolute peak pinnacle that you possibly can, because that's utopia, which, of course, literally means no place.
That's what utopia means. Itintani, once you do go back to the wilderness as the witch that you are,
plus nobody's looking at your witch tits, by the way.
Literally nobody looks at them.
We would see scores of people
all over the world.
And so nobody's looking at them, Zintani.
But once you do go back to the woods,
be a matchmaker.
It's your true calling.
Get off spaces right now.
Stop doing this.
All your neurology talk, it's nonsense. Be a off spaces right now stop doing this all your neurology talk
it's nonsense be a matchmaker for lonely ladies
i i'm surprisingly good at it yeah i'm surprisingly good at helping the women uh
get some narcissist psychopath avoidant man that to commit them. The thing is, like, it's generally,
once they're like that, it's, like, a problem. Sometimes I think it's, like, a lost cause, but
I do think, like, the woman's role is to make the man love them. So it's, like, one of the harsh
truths of a woman is, like, that a woman needs to acknowledge. It's like if men are treating you like shit, well, men are not biologically programmed to treat you like shit.
You're doing something wrong.
What do you think is the main problem?
We still all guys do like tits and even witch tits, just for the record.
Well, no, look, the sad thing is, is we can tell in the changing quality in Zintani's mic just now that she immediately went over to her lingerie drawer to see what kind of bra she could put on to improve witch tits.
There's no such bra, Zintani.
We could tell.
We could tell with a slight echo that you went to the drawer, opened it up, had a look and went, ah, shit, now there's nothing in here.
It's not going to help.
It's not going to help.
I am.
I'm leaving.
I'm about to go. I've just lost my shoes. I'm trying to find them.
But yes, there is a space ending incoming soon, Warren.
Yeah, you're starting to rubber band into the matrix, but I've had a lot of fun, Zantani.
You always know how to get a good space going, and I see Sally.
I hope she can hear us, but we had fun.
I would love to do this again.
Speak now or forever hold your peace.
It's about to get rugged.
Well, I just want to say thank you, Harmony, for bringing me me up and Zatani for allowing me to speak here
you guys can catch me in spaces frequently
or you can catch me on my YouTube channel
where I'm talking about this exact topic
regularly to men
helping them not hate women
for what women aren't but love them
for what they are
and have them
stop being so angry all the damn time
and direct that anger towards more beneficial and profitable things for their lives.
So thank you. I followed some of you and I hope, you know, y'all do the same, but until next time,
have a great day.
I'll jump in from Canada I'm not closing quite yet like you guys
can talk oh
okay my bad
I just want to say
thank you I've been listening from Canada
I'm an adult male with
young adult children
so I'm out of this scene that y'all
are talking about but it's fascinating to listen to.
Thankfully, my young ones have found
significant others in their lives.
I'm going to be talking to them about how much of this crap
that you guys have to face and go through.
This does not sound very appealing to me.
I'm actually glad I've retired from all of that stuff.
So I'm just listening, taking notes, actually.
And can I plug something, Zintani?
Yeah.
I do a once-a-week 24-hour marathon space.
I've been doing it since Christmas.
It's me live on the mic, no naps, no breaks Christmas. It's me live on the mic. No naps,
no breaks for real me live on the mic. I welcome people from all over the world. We all topics
are on the table. Nobody's allowed to scream and curse at each other. We discuss everything
and it's every Wednesday. Takeoff is 10 a.m. Eastern Standard Time Wednesday morning and I
will be with you till 10 a.m. Eastern Standard Time Wednesday morning, and I will be with you till 10 a.m. Eastern Standard Time Thursday.
Thanks for the opportunity to mention that.
Thank you very much.
Miss Atomic Blonde, sorry, I saw you in the thing.
I'm just getting ready to head out, but go ahead.
No, you're good let me
first say I became a forever fan when I saw your Kumar rant because he and I
are lifelong enemies so you got a fan after I saw that dude that's forever
locked in real quick just two points going back to like the claiming
masculinity and kind of teaching boys how to you know not like a like their
goal not to be a techno attain a woman and feel defeated and
demasculated every time they can't get the two really good resources, I think for older boys,
like preteen and above is David Goggins autobiography. I'm not going to go into it,
just look it up. And the Jocko Wilnick podcast, The Good Rant. Those two things, if you watch The Good Rant
and you read David Goggins' autobiography,
you'll be set for life if you follow those touchstones
and those tips to become a man, to embrace masculinity,
to not be afraid to be a man, which is what's happening,
which is what the disintegration of society right now is. That's what's happening. Men are being taught that masculinity is bad.
And I fucking hate that. Sorry. Language. It's disgusting. And moving away from that 1950s,
again, unpopular opinion. I don't care. Moving away from that 1950s traditional male female roles that is
such a huge problem and it's like it's all planned it's all an agenda it was
all planned this way to you know break down society and they are doing a great
job feminism is their weapon of choice and it's working it's how it's worked
for decades so anyway yeah just boys young boys anyone who has boys out here
Buy them a copy of the David Goggins autobiography and direct them on YouTube to the Jocko Wilnick good rant
And that's all I had to say. Thanks for letting me speak
Dude, I want a I want boy. I want babies. I need a man
I need a real man to show up. What the fuck?
I thought you were pregnant.
Save me.
I saw these pregnancy photos.
I thought you had already had two or three kids.
Yeah, I keep having miscarriages.
It's wild.
Yeah.
I want a boy.
It sounds so amazing.
I can imagine myself
raising a boy who's
a real man.
You know, I really want to do that.
I want to bless the world with a man with my jawline.
And I'll tell you right now, I'm a boy mom.
And I will tell you right now what you, sorry, I'm choking.
I've been losing my voice.
What you want is like, you should want that.
I love girls, whatever. If I'd'd had a girl I would have loved her
However, the thought of raising me is just horrific like no
Raising a boy that is like me has been glorious
He's me but in a stronger
Refined way that he picked up what I needed him to pick up of my essence and he
Channeled it into like the ultimate masculine power. He is amazing. He knows how to understand women. He is a gentleman
but he is such a man. Like if I can brag for two seconds then I really will shut up. When this kid
wanted to lose weight he didn't buy gym equipment. He didn't go to the gym. He started going out to
the woods with a pickaxe and digging ditches and pulling himself out of them and swimming in the river and that kid got to his goal weight and
This is how he operates and I don't know if I taught him that
I think he was born like that, but I do know that I gave him the structure and the ability
I showed him how to love men. I showed him that I gave him the structure and the ability. I showed him how to love men.
I showed him that I loved men and I appreciated masculinity.
And I think that got him to where he is today.
And so God bless boys and boy moms.
And I hope you do get a boy one day because they're the most amazing gift.
And a boy mom, a boy and a mom relationship is a stronger bond than any other familial bond that I can think of
dude I believe it the only thing I know I'm just like a mom in my mind but I have put a lot of
thought into this and I think like I think a lot about because I I don't see my husband anywhere
where the fuck is he um but I've I've done a lot of thinking about like preparing myself
like what are my flaws realistically if i had a baby right now how would i fuck them up not would
i fuck them up i know i'm going to fuck them up to some extent but what are areas right now i can
do to make myself a better mom in the future and i think about it a lot is like i think with a boy my greatest um hurdle would be not turning
him into too much of a mama's boy i think that's a danger man because if you i i know lots of great
men but they're like they love their mama more than wife it that shouldn't be like that so i
It shouldn't be like that.
So I worry about that.
As per your request, about 18 months ago,
I sent you 15 coolers climate controlled via FedEx of my sperm.
What have you done with it?
You just wasted it.
You're just making martinis with it and tricking your guests.
Come on.
You're going to have at least one cooler left.
One round.
That's all you need.
Fine.
You'll have 15 boys. You'll be happy. You won't fuck one of them up at least
What I put something in the Jumbotron that kind of reminded me of what you just said it's a meme
What do you think about it?
I um, I might disconnect the space might end, but I'm gonna try and keep it going
in case it doesn't end it we will get on the elevator, though.
I'm kind of glad she didn't do what I did. I really like this space.
I'm glad I came across it.
I just want to say
hello, hi, and I
hope to have some more
spaces like this in the future. This is
very interesting. Thank you.
Didn't it sound like Zintani
was taking one of my boxes of sperm into an Uber?
Like she's going to give it to some poor, probably immigrant Uber driver as a gift, just a box of my sperm.
Cool, I guess.
Are we going to do hands or is my hand just sort of up in vain?
Is my hand just sort of up in vain?
I'm not...
Listen, our host is hosting, and it's going in an elevator, so that's how things are going.
Yes, I'm still here.
There might be a disconnect here.
If there is, I apologize.
But if I can keep it going in the Uber, I will.
Harmony is the boss.
It's totally glitched, guys.
So, yeah, guys.
So, yeah, please.
Sigmund, Sigmund, you may speak.
Sigmund.
Well, thank you so very much, Zantani.
I've not seen you for quite some time.
It's very nice to see you. A very interesting line of discussion.
I've got a few points to offer the panel this evening,
to offer the panel this evening, particularly pertaining to Atomic Blonde's view on rearing her child, her male child.
Now, I was once a male child. I am still a male child.
My mother is currently on an airplane with my father off to Heathrow in the United Kingdom.
We, of course, live in Cape Town,
and they're going back to the motherland.
And yeah, so let me make a brief point here.
I think, Atomic Blonde, it's very interesting and very good
that you feel so strongly about your male son,
your male son, your male offspring, right?
well, your male offspring, right?
I don't think it's achievable to bring a child up,
a male child up, appropriately without the father.
I don't think the mother can be a stand-in
for what the male brings to the table the table right and my father was incredibly
my father his father and i are he had a male in his life he had several his dad was in his life
so anyway sorry to interrupt sigmund carry on yeah all right no well that's fine that's fine
look my mother and i have a very you what you said, the male son, I'm the firstborn as well on top of everything else.
So that adds another layer of complexity, right? Because the firstborn is inevitably seen as the blue-eyed boy.
And my sister is incredibly envious of this, right?
is incredibly envious of this, right?
She sees me, she sees her whole life
as me being given everything that she never had,
which is untrue, which is objectively untrue.
She had everything.
Let me just land my point here.
I admire your attitude tremendously,
but ultimately this dynamic is not meant to be led exclusively by the woman is what I'm trying to say.
The male has to take the ultimate role in rearing men.
A woman, despite her best efforts, cannot actually herself raise an excellent male.
An excellent male is rarely raised by another excellent male,
which is sad because they are so few and far between.
And so many men seem to opt out of their responsibility.
I myself am very much, at the age of 37,
very much desirous of having children
and rearing both girls and boys.
I think girls are extremely beautiful and wonderful and magical
and special to the highest degree,
and boys are the same but different, right?
And I look very much forward to finding a wife, Zantani,
and then prograting the species.
No, I'm glad that the space didn't disconnect.
I don't know if I heard you correctly.
I think you were saying that a woman cannot raise like an ideal son without the father.
Is that what you were saying?
Yes. Yes, and I will say the reason why I say that is I've seen too many boys who have been reared by their mothers primarily.
That doesn't mean that they're from divorced families.
That is to say the mother has played an excessive role in the boy child's life.
And as a result, the child becomes effeminate.
And this is very problematic. It happened to me, quite frankly, right? It happened to me. And my father, my parents
are celebrating 40 years of marriage now in December this year, which is fantastic. But
my father was indifferent to his family. He was the hardworking, and he's a millionaire,
right? They're off to Europe now on a big holiday.
They bought motorcycles. They didn't rent. They bought motorcycles. They're currently flying over Africa to go and have a
fantastic holiday with friends of theirs in
Europe, okay? And they're staying in a literal chateau. So fuck them. They're fantastic. So I'm answering your question. The point is
you can't have an overabundance of female input in a male's upbringing.
It results in effeminacy.
And I had to fight off those things. And I later developed into a much more manly man.
I hope that sort of answers your question.
I feel like I haven't done that justice, but I don't want to talk with you much longer.
No, I actually completely agree with you.
It's why I haven't had kids, because I am a hypergamous, and I do have a set expectation
for bringing a child into the world.
I've always wanted to be a mother, first and foremost.
And I don't know if I'm disconnecting here.
Am I still here?
You're still with us.
No, you're good.
You're good.
Okay.
Yeah.
I've sort of done a good job, I think, at rejecting.
Oh, no.
It might be disconnecting.
Well,
it's been fun. It's been real.
And Sigmund, check the meme.
Wait.
I'm still here.
Oh, there she is.
Good.
The connection might be messed up.
But I guess to TLDR, because I'm going to keep the space going while I'm driving.
What is the TLDR?
Oh, yeah.
I will not bring a child into the world if there is not, if I cannot determine that, like, a man would be a good father.
This has been difficult.
So... I cannot determine that like a man would be a good father. This has been difficult. So.
So let me maybe throw at you a real world example, right?
So, because I think this is very excellent topic.
This is an excellent topic.
My father is very much like Beast in Beauty and the Beast, right?
And that's, of course, you know, Jordan Peterson talks about fairy tales, these ancient fairy tales
all the time. And so this couple who've been together, my mother was 19 when she met my father. He was 21. And they've been together since 1979. And
they're celebrating 40 years of marriage, as I said just a moment ago. And they're currently
on an airplane over Africa somewhere heading towards Europe. So what is my point? My point is my father has been an incredibly
difficult asshole since he was born, right? But he's become rich. He was
born middle class-ish and he's become much richer than any of his other eight
siblings. So my mother had the sense and
I believe she was a virgin when she married my father. I really think so, I
obviously not ask them because I don't really like to think about their sexual
habits, but the point I'm trying to make is what my mother identified in my father was a stable providing asshole and that is probably the best kind of man
that you really want because you don't want someone yeah yeah I appreciate the laughing
emoji there but you don't actually want a man who's too agreeable because then you've got a
nice guy and a nice guy is I think a hell of a lot worse than an asshole
because you don't really know where you stand with a nice guy. A nice guy will
snap at any moment maybe and murder you or whatever. An asshole you know when
he's going to murder you probably I don't know I don't think my father's
going to murder anybody. So my mother made her bed she slept in it, and she actually made a very good decision that has paid off decade after decade.
And they've only gone from strength to strength.
And their love to me and my sister is complex to observe, but they have succeeded in finding each other in a way, Zintani,
but they have succeeded in finding each other in a way, Zintani,
that you're seeking this kind of beast that hopefully won't give you too much shit,
but will provide significantly for you.
Do I understand your view correctly?
Have I given you an insight into my parents' lives significantly?
I wonder.
No, I agree with you that it is the ideal,
but I would also add the beast needs to be tamed by the woman. Uh, she, he should not be, he should have a very soft spot
towards her. So I've met many beasts. Um, I, well, not many, but I've met a couple that sort of check
off that box. But what you're saying is like very complex philosophy.
I agree with you.
These ancient fairy tales are archetypes that exist for a reason.
But in The Beauty and the Beast, she tames him.
He's tamed.
So there's certainly a level of complexity there on the woman's part of like, I've met a couple of beasts.
I somewhat tamed them,
but not enough that I would marry them. And this is something I'm also learning. When I talk about like the accountability between men and women, when I say like, it's the woman's real accountability
is not guiding society. It's, it's keeping the man in love with you. It's like taming the beast.
society. It's keeping the man in love with you. It's like taming the beast. He better be fully
tamed before you get married, you know, better, or that's going to crash as well. There is a
very complex dynamic that needs to occur in order for that sort of ideal. But I'll also say,
let's say there is not a beast in sight. I think there's another type of dynamic where I would also have children with a man. He doesn't necessarily have to fit that archetype, but none of them. I would never involve children where like physical violence could be a thing or abuse. If I sniff out abuse or abusive behavior towards me from that man, no, I'm out.
Because this is bad for the child. So I would rather a, quote, nice guy, if there is no beast
that is tamed. But there is, when I say nice guy, I mean, there's a differentiation there as well.
There's the, what you're talking about, the guy who feigns nice,
but there's also another type of man who's genuinely just loving, caring,
maybe a bit weak, but that also is second best.
I would do that as well.
Do you think that's reasonable?
I'm not sure if I'm glitching or if there were other hands up.
I will come back to you on that if there were hands up.
Kind of reminds me of happy wife, happy life.
That saying, you know, I think that's baloney.
I'm sorry.
I think that's totally baloney.
And I'll take it a step further. There are truly, truly kind men that are as gruff as the day is long.
You know what I mean?
Like, they're like basically Truncladites, but super duper kind.
I've met a few.
And they're lovable in that sense.
Not that that's my preference, but I appreciate it.
To build a home, you know, and giving the other person whatever they want, whenever they want it, is not going to be that kind of a, there's not going to be that tension that is necessary to improve each other.
So I mean, I didn't mean to come in hot or anything, Homie.
No, no. Yeah, I guess what I was saying is because Zintani was trying to say that you tame the beast, so to speak.
So maybe, go ahead.
Well, so I understand it's sort of like the same dynamic of crypto fascism,
of like how the left pushes the right even further right.
So I recognize when I talk about these things and I say, like, actually, I do want a simp.
So I recognize when I talk about these things and I say like, actually, I do want a simp.
Part of that is just because of the sort of cultural push in the opposite direction that what women should look for is like abusive fuckboys.
This I've spent my entire life sort of fighting against and fighting with my female friends of saying, like, this guy slept with you and didn't text you back.
Do not speak to him
again. Um, like I have been the probably sole woman in my, all of my circles. Who's like,
I choose the guy who sends me flowers. Yes. Um, I'm not going to punish him for, um,
trying to love me. This doesn't, doesn't make sense, but I understand like the concern of
weakness and I agree. Um, it's again, what we're talking about with like this beast,
tamed beast dynamic, but what I will never, what I will never, um, I guess, um, uh, compromise on
is that the man is not treating me very well. I didn't have parents. So this is
something I've had to like sort of imagine, you know, if my mother and father existed,
would they be, would they want a man to treat me well? You know, when I'm weighing out men,
I'm sort of imagining what my parents would say. And so I'm a huge advocate for go for the guy, being kind to you.
And I do reject quite a bit of this idea that we should attack men for, quote, simping.
When in my experience, it's very romantic, way more romantic than some guy that I'm chasing,
where I'm basically being the man and he's a
pretty boy and he's a fuck boy. I've never had like a sexual or intimate experience with a man
that never called me back. And I never fucking will because I'm careful with myself. And I think
women should be very careful with themselves because how that man treats you is going to be how he treats your children. That's my perspective.
Okay, I really appreciated what you said, Zantani,
about the second situation in having a marriage,
because I have a marriage like that.
I've been married 24 years.
We're about to launch two sons on the world.
It's killing me.
They're having boy time with their dad right now
as he's helping the fourth roommate move in. But it's interesting because although he would appear
like more passive and very even keeled, he is very smart. And that has been kind of a basis
for our relationship because I'm very fun and creative. And that's how I've kept his attention
all these years is because he can't always anticipate me. I know sometimes that's been
frustrating for him, but I'm fun and I'm creative and I can think of things out of the blue. And I've
set that precedent for our family. And it's so interesting because even though he's very even
keeled, he's
like, you know, I've been telling the boys more than ever, just how much I'm going to miss them,
how much I love having them around and laughing. And I'm like, wow, that's like, you're really
opening up. He's like, I think they might get sick of it. And I'm like, no, keep doing it,
keep telling them. And so it is a good condition in which we have two boys and one girl in which to raise kids
is that you kind of have a synergy or even like Honey said, there's kind of a tension,
a tension between like the really smart and he keeps me on my toes and the really creative
and I keep them on his toes. Yeah, something that I'm super concerned about though if we're talking about like
avoiding the nice guy is i would assert um while i fully acknowledge um weakness you don't want to
marry a weak man i fully acknowledge this but i would say there is a much greater danger of getting
involved with a beast that is not tamed, that is showing you he does
not love you, to a woman's ability to pair bond. I'm severely protective over like a man traumatizing
me. And it's truly, I think like we sort of raise women and we tell them, oh, men just want to have
sex with you, blah, blah, blah. I think the real danger is like there's a lot of men that want to traumatize you subconsciously. Lots and lots and
lots of them. And I'm not attacking them. I understand. I think this exists because women
are also subconsciously trying to traumatize men. But when you look at the neurology of women, this is way more of a danger
to a woman to be traumatized by a man than it is to a man. If a man does that, sleeps with a woman,
never texts her back. Her neurology is changing to not trust the authority or the guidance of a man to lose trust in him.
And this masculinizes her and it will prevent her from ever being able to raise children in what I would determine is like the proper way.
Because it, yeah, it's the job.
it's, it's the job.
Women are bonded once, you know, once you have had sex with a man, you're bonded in a way that
you have no control over. And it is to the release of oxytocin, which is what they basically the
bonding hormone. It's the same thing that a woman produces hormonally when she's breastfeeding,
you know, and it's something that women just aren't realistic
about in terms of what their ability is that you cannot walk away from that unscathed.
Yeah. I've, I've had like many run-ins with many people sort of fighting me on this. When
people talk about dating and sex and relationships, they talk about having sex on like the third date. And I've always vehemently
rejected this. I'm not sleeping with a man. I don't care how many months it takes. I don't,
I don't care how many months, unless I understand that there's something stable and real there.
And again, I would assert very strongly, this is the role of women that women aren't doing anymore.
They should be protecting themselves and should not be concerned about, oh, it's date five.
You know, if it's date five and there's nothing stable here and you sleep with him, you're hurting your ability to have children.
In my opinion, obviously, I think it's the man's job to like
go after what he wants. But when girls and I hear men say, well, I wouldn't deal with that. I just
leave. My perspective is good. Leave. My job is to sift through people that would be committed to me.
If you're not capable of committing, if something is flimsy and shallow as sex, and it is
flimsy and shallow until you have a foundation, and then, you know, the utility of sex is very
viable and beautiful, but until that foundation is set, sex is just damaging and harmful.
So, yeah, I've pretty much my whole life, i've been like the only one in the room sort of fighting to protect myself while the whole world is telling me not to and i just i just disagree
so so like to wrap it up to wrap it up that's why i say you know yes i want the simp i'll take the
simp over you know some guy with a six pack. What do I give a fuck
about a six pack being six feet tall? I don't give a fuck. This is not, what does that mean
for fatherhood? Having a six pack? Give me a break. It's stupid. You know, like if you don't
mind, this all ties into the same thing. This is something that I, my heart goes out to women over and we don't even
think about it. So somebody had posted yesterday, like it was a woman who had that, what is it
called? That implant you get in your arm that is birth control. And it was like all bruised up and
she got infected and stuff. And she's like, yeah, look at what happened. And the post was some people will go to any lengths whatsoever to not be chased or something.
Now, I looked at this and I said, you know, first of all, the wounds that this woman bears are like these skin wounds are nothing compared to the wounds that she bears, you know, within her.
You know, I said something like this, and I said,
candidly, let's call a spade a spade.
You know, birth control was invented by a man, a chemist,
an American chemist, in 1960.
So this certainly wasn't in line with altruism,
and we know the cause and effect, the effects in general of artificial birth control,
whether it be an IUD or hormonal replacement.
It has always wreaked havoc on a woman physically, mentally, and psychologically
through weight gain, acne, mood swings, anger, resentment, like all of these things.
It is not kind to a woman.
Yet it is told that this is something that we are told.
This is something we must do.
And I'm always happy, pleasantly surprised to meet other women that have never been on birth control before.
Because it says something about the lengths you'll go to to protect yourself.
And by that, by protect yourself,
I mean protect your entire self.
Yeah, I'm here. I like this philosophy and coffee thing. I think this should be episode one.
And it should be a thing. But I do want to say uh, I, I do feel sort of like a lone wolf Sigma and the action
in itself of like being a leader is quite masculine, which I don't like, by the way,
I don't like that. I feel like I need to sort of, um, fight the world to, you know, um, I've also
never been on birth control. My birth control is I don't sleep with men.
And I don't give a fuck, you know, if people say, you know, and I don't think I necessarily have things figured out or I'd have a baby.
And I'm always trying to figure out what I can do. But I do really want to be a mom.
And I do genuinely have concern for, like, cultural implications.
concern for like cultural implications i think the type of man that i am looking for um is
i don't know where the fuck he is if you guys know um you send him to me i assume the women
will take him for themselves if they find him but um yeah i i worry sometimes maybe i'll never bring
a baby into the world and then it's well, I just fucking failed as a woman.
I didn't do my job.
I need to close this space, though.
I know there's people holding their hands.
And Zora, I'm very sorry.
Maybe for Philosophy and Coffee Fee episode two, tomorrow, I'll do that.
Tomorrow, Zora can have the whole For if Zora if you'd like
I extend the invitation
He's a great co-host if you ever want
He's really good
Yeah what I like about Zora
And let me just give him a compliment
I do need to go
But I want to compliment him because he has been waiting
Something really surprising about you
Is I noticed like the
People who spam thumbs down are generally fucking idiots.
But you actually had like really good pushback that allowed me to think about what I was saying and come to a more broader conclusion, which I actually love.
I love when I'm wrong and I know when I'm wrong. So I'll acknowledge it.
You know, sometimes there are really retards and I'll say, shut up, retard. And that's the end of
the end of the conversation. But, you know, you're not. You genuinely had a wonderful pushback.
So, yes, I need to go. I need to close the space. Zora, you are invited to have the whole space tomorrow for as long as you'd like to monologue.
And you can shill yourself.
You can sell yourself whatever you want.
But it's all yours tomorrow.
Philosophy and Coffee P episode two.
Have a good one, guys.
Bye, Zantani.
