Hello, Plina. Good day. Good day, everyone.
Hey, Amity, how's it going?
Yeah, going well. Am I audible enough?
Yes, sir. You are excited for the 25th episode?
Yeah, sure, sure, sure, sure. Can't wait to get started.
Yes, it's been a while since we've been grinding, you know, it's a great milestone that we've achieved.
Our community members and, of course, our partners, you know.
Yes, so just waiting in for Dojima Network to join in.
I think the CMO is joining us today and we'll have quite a fruitful discussion, hopefully,
on the current state of Web3 UX and a little bit about Planner Connect and what we're building,
and a little bit about account abstraction SDK. We'll delve into that as well.
Excited. And then let's kickstart once he joins.
Yeah, sure. Thank you very much.
Hey, Jeanette, how's it going?
I hope I'm audible and it's not vibrating for any particular reason.
We can hear you loud and clear, Jeanette. Thanks for joining in.
Also, guys, yes, also, thanks for joining in to our community members for our special episode,
which is the 25th episode of Planner Connect and Web3 UX with Friends.
Today, we've got a special guest, Jeanette, who's the head of marketing at Dojima Network.
Would be great, Jeanette, to get a brief intro about yourself, how you got started in the Web3 space,
and then followed by a little bit about Dojima Network, what you guys are building, and what are the plans ahead?
Sure, thanks. That'll be fantastic. Well, I think I've already been introduced.
I'm Jeanette Merchant. I work at Dojima and head the marketing team.
Personally speaking, I have around 20 years of marketing experience across three different countries,
and coming to Dojima has been one of the interesting moves that I've made in my career,
because, as you know, you've got to live up to the Jones and move at the Times.
Web3 is the next phase of the Internet as we know it,
and that's one of the reasons that I've taken on this as a new challenge and a new opportunity to work with them.
I've been working with Dojima for the past year and a little above a year.
It's been a very interesting journey. We have a fantastic team that is backing the entire initiative.
So that's a little bit about us. And, well, if you've not known about what Dojima Network is doing,
just shed a little bit of light on there.
We are creating an omni-chain layer between all chains.
By connecting all of them, by pooling the assets and the data,
which will be helpful in the expansion efforts of the entire Web3 ecosystem in the near future
and other companies, as well as applications and developers,
they would be able to easily deploy and use complex cross-chain applications across the board on different chains without any hassle.
We are providing a middle ground which is created on an EVM chain with a cross-chain consensus
further increasing the appeal to more than about 80% of the Web3 developers,
because it's one of the most used chains at this point of time.
However, there are multiple chains in existence as well.
We're trying to bring it all together so all the realities come together as well.
Anyway, will you please proceed with what you've got to say?
Awesome. Thanks for that brief introduction.
And also, guys, we've got Amity, of course, our community manager, who will be our host for today.
Thanks for joining in, Amity, for yet another episode.
So, Junat, thank you for such a wonderful intro about yourself,
and thank you for giving us a detailed explanation about what Dojima is all about.
So, I'd like to ask Junat, what is the core mission that drives for the project, the development of Dojima,
and how does it align with the broader goals of the Web3 ecosystem?
That's a very interesting question, Amity.
But the thing is, it's not a very short answer.
I hope we all have the time for this.
Let's look at it this way.
Human evolution has taken centuries and decades and whatnot,
but in the last 100 years, we have seen technology develop so fast,
like I personally am of a certain age where I remember having a four-digit phone number in my house.
That also we had to call an operator and they would connect us.
Mobiles were non-existent. They were just Star Trek fantasies.
We would have a communicator in our pocket and GPS systems and whatnot.
So, let's just rewind a little bit and go back to Native Americans using smoke signals to communicate
because it is human nature to communicate, whether we use language or other means.
Moving forward, we have around 1890, the turn of the century.
Around 1890, we had a lot of technological developments where people were trying to bridge the gap of communication
between different countries, different languages, different borders.
And during the turn of the century, we had a gentleman called Mr. Morse who came out of the unified code.
And that made so much of a difference.
That code is used till today. Morse code is known by everyone.
That became like an omni-layer, omni-chain protocol for everyone where people use no matter what medium.
We call them chains now in the website ecosystem, but people could use light signals, smoke signals, electromagnetic pulses.
They could use radio frequencies, but as long as they use Morse code, they knew who's talking and what they're talking about.
Moving forward, around 1990s, we had something called the evolution of the Internet
where initially it was used by, let's say, the American military who utilized the Internet.
As we know it today, it was very different back then.
They used it to communicate with each other about strategic locations and certain tactical requirements that they had.
And even banks were using it to expedite their settlement process to make sure that things are working much easier
rather than having a check reach from point A to point B for it to be cleared.
It would just do it electronically.
And in 1995, approximately, there was a deregulation in the industry which made the worldwide web come into existence.
As we know it today, we all use it.
Similarly, the next phase of evolution would be the Web 3 ecosystem, as we know it.
That is from Web 2 to Web 3.
And what we are doing at Dojima is something beautiful.
We have got an omni-chain layer in place which will help all the chains talk to each other seamlessly.
And that is something which we are very proud of.
Let's see how it goes in the near future.
It's not like we are reinventing the wheel.
It's just that we are adding a lot more functionality to the wheel.
I hope I've answered that question well enough for you.
So how many chains have you guys integrated?
And how many chains are you guys looking at?
You mentioned EVM compatible chains.
Are you looking at other chains here, or it's just EVM compatible chains?
Well, EVM and non-EVM chains, the most awesome thing about Dojima would be that we help EVM chains talk to EVM chains with assets and data.
Yes, we also make EVM chains speak to non-EVM chains and non-EVM to non-EVM as well.
So there are three parts to that puzzle that we have almost solved.
And the good part is that it's not limited to the number of chains.
It depends on liquidity and requirement by the user base.
At this point of time, we have around 10 that we are supporting.
We are going to 14 in the next couple of days.
And as and when the liquidity and the requirement increases, as I said, sky is the limit.
We can integrate all of them if required, depending on liquidity, of course, because it has to have a certain amount of users on board to make it viable for us to put in that effort to make sure that it works well.
But yes, we can do it all.
Yeah, sure, cool, cool, cool. I look forward to seeing you guys achieving this and making it a global landscape, making it on a global landscape where every chain can actually be integrated from EVM to the non-EVM, EVM to EVM and whatnot.
Such a wonderful response.
You know, I'd like to, you know, it's the web series space and, you know, we've got competitions here and there.
In a competitive landscape, what unique strengths, you know, does Dojima possess and that distinguish it from other projects with similar objectives?
Hey, you're giving me curveballs here. Let's talk about this a little bit more in detail.
So one of our core strengths is our team.
When people make the place, similarly, our team is what is the driving engine behind the supercar, which is Dojima.
We together have been working relentlessly.
We have people in our team who have been living, eating, breathing, sleeping Dojima since the moment they wake up till the moment they go to sleep.
And we have been at it relentlessly for the past year, a little bit more than a year, actually, you know.
Well, we like to take it in a very structured approach.
Rather than hurrying things across, we go through on how the industry is evolving, what changes other changes are making,
what changes are being done in the space, you know, what evolution is happening.
And we try to quickly adapt to those before we put anything out there in the industry.
So I would say that our team is the core strength, is the driving force of Dojima itself.
And, you know, I'm just quoting myself once again, people make the place.
Similarly, you know, our team is what makes Dojima what it is.
And looking at, you know, competition, well, I said earlier as well, you know, we are not reinventing the wheel.
The wheel has already been invented.
There are other players in the industry who are, you know, working on a multi-chain setup.
Yes, they're doing it very well.
And we don't consider them competition.
We take inspiration from our peers in such a manner that, yes, they're doing it.
We are standing on the shoulders of giants, indeed, and aren't we all effectively?
We look at it in such a manner that, you know, we are improvising in such a manner where it can help the overall ecosystem evolve over time
and be a more fruitful effort and endeavor for all developers and final end users when it comes to the user experience of things
so that, you know, it can be achieved in a much faster way.
Whatever the users and the developers are trying to achieve might take them seven iterations to do so.
But if they're working alongside us, you know, we can help them do it in one or two.
Yeah, sure, sure. Absolutely. Great idea you guys have got there.
You know, I like the fact you said you don't see it as a competition.
You see it from a place of innovation where you can actually get, you know, more ideas or inspiration from, you know,
what projects are actually building out there, you know, and incorporate it into what Dojima is actually trying to do.
And it's actually a very good one because, you know, the Web3 space as a whole, you know,
we're looking at embodying users from the Web2 space and into the Web3 ecosystem as a whole.
It's actually one where we need to, you know, work together with project needs to, you know,
draw inspirations from each other and check what is and what not there is to do
and make things actually very, very cool for the new users, especially the user experience, you know,
giving them a very, very cool one. So thank you very much for that.
And also you mentioned team. You know, one thing with a good project, every good project out there is actually the team.
And I agree with you, General. Thank you very, very much for such a wonderful response.
So, you know, last year we had the beer runs, you know, the beer took over.
Hopefully we're currently seeing the bull runs. I don't know about you, though.
But I'm actually hoping probably after the April halving, we get to see the bull runs and what have you.
So reflecting on your journey and the previous year, could you share some notable achievements thus far?
And, you know, what type of plans do you have in store for this year?
Definitely, definitely. Just to add on to what you said a little bit earlier about the beer run and bull run, you know,
it's a law of nature. What goes down has to come up. What goes up has to come down.
So it's going to be up and down throughout. But there's another very interesting way of putting it that, you know,
if you're going through hell, keep going, you know, you get through it eventually.
So similarly, where people say, oh, it's the it's the bear run and, you know, people don't don't make things.
We kept on building silently. That's what we've been doing for the entire past year.
We've just been building and building and building.
And in the last year, we have seen a numerous amount of partnerships.
We have seen a lot of user engagement. We've been doing a lot of events.
We have developed our back end to be extremely robust, to be able to handle any amount of deployments on there,
including smart contracts and, you know, the apps as well.
We have launched our wallet. We are looking at the near future.
I'm not giving you a date here, but we are looking at the near future where our main net is going to go live.
And we will be having something called the developer dashboard as well,
which will make it very easy for developers to pick and choose which chain they want to deploy on.
And anyway, if they deploy on the Dojima chain, they can pick and choose any chain that they deploy on anyway.
So it becomes as easy as a point and click, effectively speaking.
Of course, they will have to deploy their contract on there.
But it's not complicated. We have made the user experience fantastically simple.
And well, that's what we are looking at doing in this coming year in 2024.
It's going to be it's going to be a rocking year.
Let's hope the bull run comes into play.
But if it doesn't, it doesn't matter.
As long as the ecosystem benefits from it in the long run, that is what we are looking at.
I think one of the major things or good things the beer market brought was the fact that every project,
I mean, each project out there had time to reflect on their product.
We had time to build partnerships.
We had time to, like you mentioned, you said, at the bucket, you made it more robust.
And it's actually a good one.
I mean, the beer was a good one in disguise.
So like, like you mentioned, you don't know, we have the bull run or not.
It's I think it's what fevers the web free ecosystem as a whole.
And that should definitely play out.
And that's what we're looking at.
So, um, I think that's what we're looking at.
You guys have an amazing and you've had an amazing 20, 20 and I truly hope,
um, you know, both planar and dojima.
Um, we'll have a very, very wonderful 2024 and the every user and all our
users and our communities, you know, would actually benefit from it.
And the web three ecosystem as a whole.
So guys, if you're just joining us, um,
It's our first three spaces for the year and, um,
Welcome to another episode of planar connect and web three UX with friends.
And this is the 25th episode and we've got a wonderful guest here.
Tonight, who is the head of marketing at dojima?
It has been an amazing, amazing session within so far, you know,
I've, I've learned a lot from him and I believe our community, uh,
you guys have lent a lot from him so far, um, and the species.
So I like you guys to do one thing for me.
I like you guys to go on their Twitter handle.
I like you guys to follow them.
I like you guys to join the telegram channel and their discord channel.
If any, I like you guys check out the cool things that they're developing.
And I'm very, very sure, you know, these guys are building magnificent thing
and I like you guys to check it out.
Um, so do not, um, back to you.
Uh, I see, I see what you guys are doing as, you know,
as, you know, as, uh, uh, probably account abstraction, you know,
you're trying to make, um, life easier for, uh, the, uh,
what three users, uh, that we're embodying from web two, uh,
not everyone actually has this technical knowledge about what the web three,
So I see what you guys are doing as a great one.
Um, we also doing this at planar, you know,
where we're embodying the next billion users from web two to web three.
And we're making life, you know, easier for them.
And you know, why, why creating a wallet on our planar super app?
You know, you can actually log in via your, um, Google, um,
email, uh, your email and what, what, and what have you,
and also while you're performing, you know, transactions,
you could actually pay your gas fee in any token.
You don't have to swap to this token.
You don't have to swap to that token, you know,
I can't obstruction playing a whole lot of, um, um,
rule here in, in, in, in technology, probably in web three,
I'd like to get your own concept on account obstruction.
You know, it is a crucial concept in the web three space.
How does your projects, you know,
view this, this significance of account obstruction and in what
ways is it integrated in your project?
I've got a section is a concept for the EVM chains and it is,
it is being integrated because the DF,
we have built our product on Ethereum value machine as well.
So it is pretty strongly integrated in there.
And let's look at it this way.
When you look at traditional money, uh,
traditional money is not actually something that you own.
It's a promissory note that is given to you that you,
you know, promise to pay the barrier. So, and so, so,
when you're looking at account abstraction,
it's just the tokens that a person holds rather than owns the
So it's like looking at having paper currency versus owning the mint.
So that does play a very crucial role when it comes to a
decentralized exchange or any kind of financial transaction that's
happening. And when you're trying to,
trying to make as fees in different tokens,
it can be a little bit of a drag at times,
but we completely understand the concept and appreciate it as well,
where it should be fluid.
a value of any token is irrelevant unless and until it is utilized in
So if it is paying a gas fee or making a transaction,
it should be seamless and accepted across the board,
which is a fantastic thing that is also doing
Thank you very much for such a timely response,
there were three technologies down to the blockchain.
You know, it comes with higher lenient,
you know, cost for users.
we just got all 11 sports,
Bitcoin ETF approved by SEC.
I believe most users out there don't even know what ETF is all about.
Most people don't even know the complexity of how the blockchain
actually works and how now we should go about it.
how do you think we can bridge the gap between the complexity of these
technologies and the user friendly experience,
for mainstream adoption of users from web two to web three?
people in the web two space have,
do have a traditional understanding of things and it's always nice to
correlate with existing technologies and explain the new ones going
A similar example that I'd given about owning a mint versus on versus
holding a paper currency for deployment of smart contracts versus tokens.
So when you're looking at ETFs,
the best way to educate a person in the web to space with regard to
the financial aspect of, of the web three ecosystem would be to speak
about the share market where you have equity traded funds.
Similarly, you have exchange traded funds over here as well,
which are very interesting to utilize.
And when it comes to adoption of web three technologies,
the learning curve, as you said,
it is pretty steep in the blockchain infrastructure side of thing.
It was just an introduction that is required before anybody who has,
you know, worked on the backend of technology, anything at all would be,
would be an easy adoption for them as long as they introduced to it in
And there are multiple resources out there,
multiple resources available in the form of documentation on each
including ours as well on our backend where people can go and have a
little study and understand what the whole concept is, what it is about.
And it has been segregated in a very interesting manner where it depends
on what level of learner you are.
Are you an advanced user?
the documentation as well is like a course that takes you through the
entire space and the ease of deployment,
the ease of making something interesting,
something wonderful and valuable,
which will contribute to the web three ecosystem in the long run.
the one thing you mentioned of important days,
the right approach with which we present things to the web two users,
most people coming from traditional finance to decentralized finance don't
actually grab the more terms of things like,
but when you relate things with them,
based on say like the stock exchange,
you use terms which they are very,
very much familiar with and you simplify these things to them.
It would actually make the adoption of web three very,
Thank you very much for that.
listeners are actually taking notes and I've actually,
learned a lot from this species.
with the web three UX space evolving,
like you mentioned earlier,
you cited an example using the payphone.
back then that's the way we do,
we contact the providers,
host down to whoever we're trying to call and,
thank God for technology and what have you.
So with the space evolving,
with three UX space evolving,
what trends do you anticipate and,
how should projects prepare for and adapt for these changes?
I am anticipating the use of AI very,
we have what we call the Plina GPT and,
it's a cool feature that we intend to optimize into the Plina
And I actually hope Plina would give us,
a brief talk on the Plina GPT,
even as the space goes on.
what trend do you anticipate rather,
and how should we prepare for and adapt for these changes?
So with regard to how you mentioned,
AI being one of the key players in the industry,
that is something which is very,
when you're looking at the evolution of the user experience,
AI is going to take over the world.
It's the people who know how to use AI are the ones who are the
successful people tomorrow.
it's the people with the knowledge skills.
has put together all of that together and is going to give you a much
better solution to increase your efficiency.
So something that I would be taking an entire day to do,
do it in a matter of less than an hour.
But depends on how I put it in that,
There's a very old concept of garbage in garbage out.
It was told to me by an old car salesman.
what if I put normal grade fuel into this car?
It depends on how AI is utilized.
The user experience will be much better as well.
And going forward in the web ecosystem,
look at how the web two ecosystem evolved.
And I think it's reached a point where it's,
it's at a saturation point.
that curve goes downward,
things are going to look a little different.
this is a personal opinion over here,
that the web three ecosystem with,
with a nice injection of AI coming into it,
can help a lot of things work much faster.
And it can be a very good experience for the users as well.
So looking at augmented user experiences in the near future,
like how you have targeted advertisers for people,
what we envision is that there could be augmented utilization of AI.
Suppose you have gone online from a different geography altogether,
your experience will be different.
Depends on the kind of age that you are at,
the location that you are at,
the kind of portfolio that you command,
your user experience on a particular website
should be very different from the one that I experienced,
because it will not be relevant to me otherwise,
or it will not be relevant to you otherwise.
Does that kind of make sense?
And AI should be able to do that for the UX,
to be able to change it as per the user in the near future.
Suppose if I'm a person who is not holding any kind of tokens,
but I'm only into gaming and I only utilize tokens for gaming,
the UX of a particular site that I visit,
or a DAB that I go, you know,
or a DAB that I utilize should be customized
for the kind of user that I am depending on the data
that it has gathered on my usability and my user habits.
If you, for example, are somebody who has got a very strong portfolio
who is into decentralized finance,
the same DAB should be able to give you those options
to be able to make your experience much more seamless
and that can be achieved through AI
and the kind of data that it acquires and spreads back at you.
That is something which could be the near future of the Web3 UX.
Absolutely agreed on that.
So we were actually intending to build Planner GPT a year back as well.
And then what we've done is Planner GPT is basically an advanced AI model,
you know, designed to streamline the crypto markets experience,
especially for the Planner users.
So what we're building is, you know,
it aims specifically to simplify the complex world
that we actually are in, especially in the DeFi space,
you know, by offering personalized suggestions,
you know, suggesting management strategies,
providing some trend predictions.
You know, Planner GPT is trying to empower the users
to make more well-informed decisions,
you know, in the rapidly evolving and dynamic crypto industry.
So I think I'm super excited to, you know, give some more alpha on this,
but somehow for some, I think it'll be for another call.
Amity, we can go ahead with the next question.
Because I think if I share more, I mean,
I have a lot to share on Planner GPT,
but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to.
That will be fantastic information,
and the listeners can get some good learning as well from there.
I think we could schedule another call specifically on Planner GPT
because I have so much to speak about, you know,
AI and plus Planner portfolios
and what we're doing with account abstraction and combination of both.
It's an exciting space to be in.
But yeah, that's, I think, for another day.
You'll be interested. That'll be really interesting.
So just one more question for me.
It has been an amazing, amazing space with you, Junaid.
Thank you very much, you know, for tuning in.
So just wrap it up with this question.
Improving, you know, the UX is essential, you know that.
Can you share any user research, you know,
or feedback gathering methods employed by Dujimatsu
to enhance the overall user experience of your web 3 application?
I think I just mentioned that in the previous lecture itself
that, you know, AI is something that can be utilized
to gather the kind of data that each user has over time
and give them a very personalized experience.
That is something which would be very essential
for the user experience and return, well,
let's put it this way, as returning users
to that particular portal or site.
Planar is doing some very good work in there
from what I understand the AI model that they're building
is going to be fantastic.
And we really look forward to, you know,
hearing about it as well.
When you're looking at the kind of research
that we do independently is we sure,
surely take a look at what users are looking at
As I said, you know, we don't look at others as competition.
Ultimately, what we are looking at is
improving the entire ecosystem altogether
and playing our part and paying it forward, so to speak.
So whenever we are looking at a user experience model,
it's not as simple as, you know,
okay, this is a user journey predefined from our end.
It doesn't work that way.
It's more about giving the user everything
that they would require on a platter.
So we are coming out with something called a developer dashboard,
which is in the near future,
which nobody else is doing at this point of time.
What that will enable people to do is to make sure
that they can pick and choose
and point and click on whatever they want,
and it can be done much, much faster
and much simpler way than what it has done
in traditional methods in the web tree ecosystem
about deploying a smart contract
and making sure that, you know,
the contracts are both admitted on the other side
It happens very seamlessly.
That's one thing that we are doing,
but I'm really looking forward to listening
to what Plina has to say about this.
That will be a very interesting conversation.
Actually, that's very, very cool.
You guys are building right there,
and I must say I truly look forward,
you know, to actually seeing that in the near future
and actually seeing more collaborations
between Plina and Dojima in the near future,
and hopefully I hope I have some other time rather,
and, you know, we actually get to discuss,
you know, more of the Plina portfolio
and the Plina GPT and your E.
You said E-BAD, right, or what did you do?
What were you guys trying to create in the near future?
It's a developer dashboard.
So an e-dashboard and your garage,
So thank you very, very much for tuning in.
Jeanette, thank you very much
for staying to the end of the spaces.
and I believe our community listeners have learned a lot.
Guys, I'd like you to still do one thing for me.
If you haven't done that already,
I'd like you to go follow them on Twitter.
I'd like you to check out their website.
I'm currently on their website now.
It's a very, very cool one.
They've got a very good design interface
So you guys should check it out.
I'd like you guys to join their Telegram channel
and I'd like you guys to join their Discord channel
So guys, this is the end of the space.
Thank you guys for tuning in to episode 25
of Plina Connect and Web 3 UX with Friends.
Yeah, it has been an amazing, amazing session so far.
Thank you, Plina, for hosting us.
And thank you, Jeanette, for tuning in.
Thank you very much, community listener.
See you guys some other time.
Thank you so much once again, guys.
And once again, I'm really looking forward
to listening to your conversation on AI later on.
Let's plan another spaces soon.
we can have you guys on board again.
And we could specifically talk about AI
plus account abstraction and user experience
would be great to go down that rabbit hole.
And also, guys, especially for our community listeners,
we know we're giving out,
it's our 25th episode of Plina Connect
and Web 3 UX with Friends.
we're giving out special Galaxy Oats
plus 1,250 Plina tokens distributed to 25 lucky winners.
So if you guys are interested,
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Thank you so much again, Jeanette.
Hope to speak to you soon again.