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PREDICTION MARKETS?🚨W3E🧼🎙️🔋:@Expos3dMedia
Recorded: Aug. 27, 2025 Duration: 2:35:04Space Recording
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Thank you. I think I'm gonna take a lot of shots.
I think I'm gonna know when I got.
Get down, Julio, let me act.
I'm doing my boss in the one-knock.
I'm doing my boss in the one-knock.
I'm just gonna get the fuck in the one-knock.
I ain't with the fuck in the one-knock.
I'm trying to have you trust in the one-knock.
I'm stripping, I'm stripping on the act.
I'm stripping, I'm stripping on the act.
I'm stripping, I'm stripping on the act. I'm stripping, I'm strippingin' on the ass Oh, you're so good. I got another shot. Cause you know it's going down in the box.
I just took a hundred thousand on the watch.
I'm fooling nuts and it's all so calm.
I threw a gun.
I dropped that bitch over forks.
I threw a gun.
I had another one of shots.
The way I was shaking, I'm even wrong.
I ain't a bitch that is bad, but it's cocked.
My new vision ain't getting shit out of time.
And then I'm going to me, it's gone and rock
I feel like I just feel like I just got
I feel like I'm falling out with a doctor
That the whole thing y'all got me hot
I feel like I'm bossing on one match I feel like I'm bossing on one match the dog
baby I'm sickin' on the side I feelin' feelin' kickin' me right now Right now, right now
We all bein' better sex than I'm drinkin' sex
We all bein' better sex than I'm drinkin' sex
I'm a part of my life with a friend
If you're treating me, I'm sitting in your back
I'm sickin' on the yard Oh, yeah. I'm super, I'm super, no de ya, oh de ya, oh de ya.
I'm super, I'm super, no de ya.
You shut up like you're in a party.
I'm a fan of the children.
I'm a fan of the children.
I'm a fan of the children.
I'm a fan of the children. I'm a fan, I'm tripping
A nigga blowing up your phone like any bitch ain't no lie
I'm tripping, I'm tripping
I'm off my school, I was off and I'm tripping or not
She's like I'm Oh, yeah. Black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, black, But you don't need my crib big like a football field You might walk around and think I find a football field
But you don't need it
I pay 15 minutes to drop a track in
I pay half a minute to load my gas
But you don't need it
I make them bounce all across the globe
I'm a pimp I got your whole ticket
I'm a pimp I got your whole ticket
I'm a pimp I got your whole ticket I'm a pimp I got your whole ticket
A franchise like a Houston Rock
Getting right in eight months is when I used to drive
But you don't need it I got the streets on lock.
I like my boots written on.
You know my boots are the top. oh
you got your deal off your win, I got my deal off
crap, but you don't, I'm connected like Dove and Mac 10 with ice cubes and my washing
doves on the black beans, I'm getting paid cause I do all the work, it's rainy days
if we don't give all our work, we go for starts, you don't, I'm on the block fam, in the cream
drop land, most of y'all cats with these, y'all ain't hot man, I'm about to do it again, you about to lose it again, it's gonna tear a motherfucker off
of me.
I got a big warm left, warm left, warm left, warm left, warm left, warm left, warm left,
warm left, warm left, warm left, warm left. Oh, yeah. I took a home and thought the mansion Dropped the roof, more expansion Dropped a coupe, eat the same shit
I'm looking under cover
I'm a acidity lover
If we all be boys, no one night, I'm a dog's breed
When we out in these streets
Can you enjoy it, can you pop it, come on
Pull up in a demon on guard
Lookin' like I still do smart
Flyin' poppin' jet with the rod
This is this shit, this is this shit
Pull up in a demon on guard
Lookin' like I see a dude's fly
I'm a demon on guard
I'm a demon on guard
Pull up in a demon on guard
Lookin' like I see a dude's fly
Flyin' by the chair with the rod
This is D-D-D-D-D I'm a boy, son, without Chrissy Tee. I, I, I, I run that yacht, I've been up here. We an addict, addict, for the lifestyle and the pattern.
Damn, how you up a freshman, freshman?
I'm deep, drippin' to death, I need a caffeine.
And we got more strength in the breath, we foul, pepper.
In the middle, I feel like David Beckham.
I'm a nigga, like, lookin' real, I'm finally hooper.
When I got a meal, got me the chills, don't know what happened.
I feel, do what you feel, I'm on this arena.
I'm more like a copy, I'm not no gully
I'm more like a David Goliath, buddy
Look at me calling, I find it funny
Clone, I'm feeling I was feeling dirty
I go in the mountains, you got me nothing
Three hundred to watch Sally, buddy
Me and mother get me clutch, yeah
And this is right out of Russia
I ain't worried, I'm a lady Night crawling in the fan I know them all these don't you pity Look at how it felt amazing looking at me
I'm going to get you out of these trees.
Can you do it?
Can you pop it?
Put up in the demon on guard.
Lookin' like I see a dude's right.
It's like I'm a cat with the rod.
It's a thief.
It's a thief.
Put up in the demon on guard.
Lookin' like I see a dude's right.
It's like I'm a jack with the rod.
It's a thief.
It's a thief.
I'm a hair cat, cause I'm a hair eraser. So, I don't order a nigga damn feel. Somebody needs to rug Will.
He's getting too fucking comfortable with these fucking trades.
He's going over here cooking on trades, coming late.
He gets mad when I'm late.
He's fucking late.
What the fuck?
Yeah, well, run dry.
You know you need me for it.
When I pull up, get in good.
You know how I'm doing.
If the police get behind me, flee, then he's up.
Sweeping on the pad, I'm turning to a sack.
I'm a project, baby, now I stay in Catabank.
Like I'm still surfing, like I'm still jacking.
I be sipping on me, trying to keep in.
Take that D-Walk, D-K with my B-Balk.
I don't say much, I just let me heat talk They drew a wall-up, diamonds like a rear-walk
My little baby ride a dick like a steel dog
When I stepped up in the scene, I was on B-
When I grew up out the beam, I was in Celine
Baby, baby, just to flee, that ain't what I mean
Mother busting out my knees, I got in the skin
Put up in a demon on guard
Lookin' like I see a big slut Flyin' by the jet with the rod He's listening anonymously. William is listening anonymously.
William is listening anonymously.
I don't know what the fuck shit he's on today,
but I'm not for it.
You know what I'm sick of, guys?
I'm sick of knowing.
That's what I'm sick of.
I'm sick of knowing.
I'm sick of you guys telling me,
tell me in public.
I'm telling me in fucking private.
Tell me in public that I knew it!
Fuck you!
Come to the livestream, William.
They come here for our faces and charts, brother. I know. I know. I know. I know. I know.
I know.
I know.
I know.
I know.
I know.
I know.
I know.
I know.
I know.
I know.
I know.
I know.
I know.
I know.
I know.
I know.
I know.
I know.
I know.
I know. I know. I know. I picked, I don't know if we stopped paying for the bill. Yay!
I don't know if I picked, I don't know if we stopped paying for the bill on StreamYard or what,
because my normal settings aren't working, William. I don't know what's going on here.
Yeah, okay, so then there's nothing wrong. Maybe it was me, maybe I clicked the wrong button.
Oh, William. Oh, no, you fixed it. You fixed it.
You fixed it.
I see now.
I see.
I'm just an idiot.
I fixed it. I changed my camera arrangement today, and I'm about to add the light.
Let's see how not ghetto it looks today.
Welcome to the stage.
Welcome to the space.
7, 17 p.m. Eastern.
Web3 Exposed is officially live, the number one show on the internet.
I'm going to give it 37 more seconds, and then we about to be outside.
My guy is wearing the Doodle Brown t-shirt today.
You know what that means?
He's about to give us that alpha.
That alpha.
That alpha. I'm looking for you, Charlie. You've been searching for your style. But I feel it. Yeah.
Girl, I feel it.
Yeah.
But you think you got your groove.
But you won't know what I do.
Tell me, is you still low?
It's probably on the top right now.
Tell me, can we still feel?
Only one, I'm in the zone right now.
Tell me, why still?
Yeah.
Tell me, you're just out here right now. You said it's just the drugs.
And I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know.
Now I know.
I locked you away before.
How they doing?
Oh, before you had this one.
Then I got some money tonight.
And again, I can be drunk.
Yeah. I got some money tonight. And again, I can be drunk.
Yeah. Oh, no bitches beat up back, you lookin' at her Rehearse on the tune of the U, now you feelin' to fuck up my mind as you use the air
We're all been trapped to the birds, actually mad as my head just been catchin' with her
All the listeners are elite, I don't make these creeps make it squack
I message you beat, boy, you fuck me when I'm feeling
I'm feeling it's like this, it doesn't fit me, especially in this cabalogy
And you make it all the creeps, big and gate over, You just have the alma creek. All you body's a real.
And now the kids' dancers asleep.
And now you go stop by yourself.
A minute from there.
Is this the room for me?
Baby, you tell yourself.
Tell me, is you still up?
It's 5'8 and I'm drunk right now.
Tell me, can we still flow?
1'9, I'm in the zone right now.
Tell me, I'm watching.
Yeah, tell me, you just out of three right now. I can be ready for more But then again I could be drunk
Yo guys
Holy shit
The text message that I just got
Oh my gosh
Oh no. you guys
yo will is in the grease trap yo bread when the fuck you gonna just come and hang out here, buddy?
Huh?
Fucking guy, you're too good for us.
I literally made Brett.
This OX Brett guy, he was made right here.
He was made right here on Web3 Exposed.
Tonight's too fucking good for us.
I gotta book them now.
I gotta fucking book them.
Welcome to the show.
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Web3 Exposed is officially live, the number one show on the internet.
We go live every single day, 7 o'clock Eastern, Monday through Thursday.
We're right here, Spaces, X, Kikstream.
We talk everything crypto,
AI, forward-thinking tech. I fuck around, you find out, you fuck around, I find out. A lot of that,
a lot of that. I really enjoy having conversations that aren't normally had. I also like asking questions and going into topics that most people don't even think to go
into. I also blame that on the fact that I just think in a different weird way. I think I'm dumb
sometimes, but it's all right. You guys appreciate my dumb questions. Today's segment is brought to
you by Mango. They're going to be pulling up a little bit later it's a uh
it's a cool trading bot on base the guy's been cooking for a while um i actually know the team
from some personal friends and they're like yo they're cooking and doing something good let's
check it out um they actually sponsored a few events recently so shout out to them for that
so i'll have them on a little bit later if you're into trading if you're into bots especially if
you're into um eth based all that good stuff you're definitely gonna want to check it out listen um but before i get into all that we got will here my quan he's
gonna go into the charts um i've been seeing a lot of discussion on uh on prediction markets now
it's not it's not that even that that's. I've been saying prediction markets are going to be a meta eventually.
But, like, my thing is the type of people talking about it.
Like, there's no way you guys are like, yeah, fuck memes.
You know, I did that.
I'm talking about people that straight slimed out charts.
Okay?
Lawn shit.
All time.
Nah, memes ain't it no more, man.
Let's just go to prediction.
Let's just completely pivot to prediction markets.
Like, what? Like, what like what like fuck it like no none at all like we can't do both like why he's why is it always this or that in this space huh why is it always that another thing too if it's not obvious
my marketers out there my you know anybody out there trying to build a brand, strategy, advisor, fucking whatever, whatever you are that's considered front facing.
Let me give you another obvious fucking piece of advice or maybe it's not advice or maybe it's not obvious to you, but I definitely think it's advice.
OK, stop comparing yourself to the idiots that have
attention in this space. They literally probably have a horrible credit score compared to you.
Profits, what does that matter when it comes to engagement? Trust me, it matters.
Trust me, it matters. Look up to people and follow people that have the things you want.
And I'm not talking about a thousand likes. I know for a fact you motherfuckers don't want a thousand likes more than you want your fucking rent paid.
More than you want food in your child's mouth. More than you want a roof over your head. More than you want assets in your portfolio.
You don't want the likes more. I know you don't. I promise you don't. Okay. I promise you, you don't. The way that things are going now, any idiot, any, anybody, anybody can get eyeballs. It can get eyeballs. Okay. Um, and if you guys can't get eyeballs, make sure you contact me and Levi, we got you but aside from that the point is um i am seeing you guys like and and yeah some of this
comes from from some some dms and some some tweets i see personal combos as well these are all
confirming things for me and and you know shout out to you guys that come in here and listen on
fucking anonymous and then you only come out when there's like 200 people here
somebody relevant on stage and you know oh let's go let's go like you suck you're the worst kind
of person i hope your mother hugs you tighter but this is the the whole gig okay this is the
whole thing this space right here is fucking amazing it's powerful it will change your life
it will change your future for the better and and it's really wild that right now, and I'm not going to expose any names and none of that. That's not what I'm here for. I've counted more than five people that I used to know, look up to, like, respect, all that. They've touched the millions, okay? They've had the millions. I've seen it.
they've touched the millions, okay, they've had the millions, I've seen it, and they are the worst
they've ever been right now, they're down bad, they're, they're, some of them are in the shadows,
you don't even know they're around, but they're in the shadows, you know, they're somebody's mod,
or no shade to being a mod, I need mods, you feel me, if you want to be a mod, hit me up, but
dude, the fucking, the, the, the, the level of people falling off like the level of like height that these some
of these people fall off i promise you it's it's better to just stick to what you know stick to
your lane and like don't distract yourself with everything else go try new shit go do stuff go
collab go figure shit out right but man promise you, this shit is a facade.
These bullshit engagement, all this shit is a fucking facade.
Don't let it get to your fucking head, man.
Do not let it get to your head.
I used to let it get to my head in 2021, and it really was because I felt like I wasn't
platformed enough or I didn't have a platform.
And so you say, you know what? Nobody wants to platform me. I'll create my own. Yeah, it takes a little longer.
Yeah, who cares? Like, you're going to find your fucking tribe. You're going to attract the people
that want to be around you. You're going to work for the people that you want to work for,
that want to work with you, right? Also, this goes faster for you when you double down on your
skill set, if you know for a fact you're fucking amazing at some shit, don't let some dumb fuck
on Twitter just fucking discourage you, go double down on that shit, show that you're great at that,
go, go, go, like, reference that, right, that's, that's, that's the best thing that you can do,
that's the number one best thing you can do. And you're going to fucking thrive. You're going to fucking thrive, dude. Every single time.
For those of you that are wondering the shades that I'm wearing, these are 1990s Gucci shades. You cannot find these at your local Walmart or Target. All right. Just a quick FYI. I'm going to get Will a pair. He's going to wear the blue pair. I'm going to wear the pink pear. We're going to be a fucking duo, as we are.
Ah, I ate today, guys.
I ate.
I broke the fast early today.
I think I'm going to stop fasting, intermittent fasting, because I'm a fucking asshole.
Like, my mood, I'm just rude.
Like, I'm just really mean.
And I ate before fucking 5 o'clock today, and I'm like,
like, all hype and shit. Tune into the stream if you're not tuned in. My boy's about to go
into these charts. We're going to talk memes. We're going to talk tickers. We're going to have
a special guest here a little later. I'm giving away two claw plays. Guys, it's the end of the
month. I'm going to be real with you guys. You guys give a fuck about me.
I need you guys to go sign up to BZ right now.
I need you to go sign up to BZ right now.
Link in bio.
I'm giving away two claw plays today.
If you go play while I'm streaming, while I'm on right now, I will automatically match you a play.
So just throwing that out there.
However, two claw giveaways. Literally
the last week, I saw somebody rip a $500 card. Another guy ripped an $800 card for literally
$50. Literally for $50 fucking dollars. Now, I'm not saying go full mogul, spend all your money.
No. If you know you like collecting, if you know you like cards, if you know you like to play
against your odds and all that good stuff, that's what you want to be doing that's what you want to be spending your time on
um i am giving away two claw giveaways you just got to drop your bz address sign up link in my
bio link is below okay you have to use that link i'm fucking checking and in about 40 minutes i'm
going to give away these two claw plays and also another giveaway 100 bucks uh I'm lying. 0.5 Solana. So a little more than $100, I think, at 100 comments.
So let's do it. Appreciate you. This is not, you know, I don't rub coins. I don't launch shitters
and all that. So this is what I got to do, guys. This is what I got to do to get the eyes and
engagement up. And we're going to do it. Okay? We're going to do it. We're going to do it fucking
proudly. Anyway, Will, thank you for being here. here hope you had a good day today happy hump day mr will i don't want to hear about how much you're
up okay i don't want to hear how much you're up we don't need these people hating us even more
okay my name is fucking prophets for christ's sake oh prophets women here's your fucking prophets
oh will talk to me buddy
nah i was just uh i was kind of thinking about it last night.
I was just thinking about maybe just giving away a thousand bucks.
Just give away a thousand bucks.
But we'll see.
We'll see.
Wow.
Wow.
I made some money this week, man.
Hold on.
Hold the phone.
A thousand dollars?
Ain't no fucking way, bro.
200 comments minimum.
The day we do that, ain't no fucking way.
This ain't no fucking way this is ain't no fucking way
but yeah go ahead i was just gonna i was just gonna you know throw it out there but um no i
like it and a lot of people they they they bullshit on it though they'll engage that way but like i've
legit paid out people before when i do giveaways like i give money away when i do um i think uh
I give money away when I do.
I think, man, market's been hot, man.
It is.
Look, P&L's looking good.
All right, P&L's looking good.
A lot of people are still looking at that double top conversation.
I don't think it's going to play out in their favor at all.
Again, SFP is below 100K.
We're at like 111, still looking good.
You got ETH, BTC.
ETH still pressing really hard against Bitcoin as far as strength,
still looking good.
ALT's looking really good.
ETH today at 4,500.
People are like, well, it's not 5K.
Yeah, okay.
At what point are you happy?
Throw it on a monthly candle.
These are chad candles.
All of them, since the low basically settled down here in April of 25,
that's where the low was settled.
These candles have been up only, and they've been massive.
There's big money inflow into, I would say, the overall altcoin space.
Solana, another one is staying pretty steady.
I think anywhere is roughly around like you know 208
sorry 205 is kind of where you want to remain above but i mean if you go if you gravitate back
down a little bit you might come back down to like 190 but you're going to kind of ping pong
between 190 205 you know at least for now i think going into september i've saw at least five comments
in the past two days of people talking about you don't think so
in September I'm like look at 23 and look at 24 I'm like look at what happened in September in
both of those years those are the last two years of this cycle they've both been very positive
price action if you bought into September it's not been negative price action whatsoever so
overall you know I would say like you know you're getting very limited on time to be
able to actually bid and be interested in these markets uh i would not bid into the chad candles
once they start happening i think you should be you know kind of front running this move not really
kind of looking for it to happen first uh you got a lot of interesting stuff i saw uh james winn say
f all the kols and then I pulled up some posts on him
where he got paid to show projects.
I posted those today, so I thought that was pretty interesting.
It's like you're getting mad at other people
when you're doing the same shit you're sitting there talking about, bro.
What do you think?
It is what it is, right?
Everybody's got their thing.
Don't bullshit.
If it's what you do, it is what you do. I don't care that their thing i just you know don't bullshit if if
it's what you do it is what you do i don't care that you do it just don't lie about it um overall
link looks pretty positive as far as price action i mean like i can run all coins all day i talked
about crow yesterday talked about it yesterday i you know i was suggesting some people you know
maybe move some some bags over there i'm not gonna
we're not gonna bring up the conversation but you know curl up the 30 since yesterday so
really good price action uh and i think it's gonna continue to push up um it's got really
good motion and then i also saw i think somebody brought up the other day there's something with
the white house or whatever maybe trump or whatnot, it's going to be integrating crypto.com or bid into their company.
I don't know what it was specifically.
I like the chart on Crow specifically.
So overall, I think price action is going to continue pushing up for Crow.
You might get some consolidation at some point.
It's had a really big move in the past day or two.
So you might get a little bit of cool down but overall looks pretty
good s&p is still positive price action nothing too crazy 64 81 i mean i every day i look at this
chart man it's just like there's no pullback it just continue to push up and to the right
um and then likely we're going to see cuts right and we are seeing some push on the uh on the fed
through basically the White House.
So they are trying to pressure them, you know, by going after specific chairmen and women and finding things where they may have done some wrongdoings.
And, you know, using that as trying to leverage them to step down so they can integrate people that they want in there.
So they can basically puppeteer this thing to move move even higher in my opinion
that's kind of my thought process behind the whole thought behind what they're trying to do there um
overall total looks good too another one of those like i said like i i think honestly seven trill
that's what i'm looking for for this cycle for total just regular total and then you've got uh
total three you know since everybody keeps saying altcoins are dead, there's no interest in that space.
That's been looking really good, too.
You're pressing against your high here.
Really, you're in kind of that breakout mode, to be honest with you.
So Total 3 is looking really healthy here.
And I would say the past couple days, man, we've gotten some bangers profits.
I showed you some charts, man.
I threw some stuff out there on the timeline.
I think one play is up 2100 and another one is up i think about 300 since i called them granted i did take one l i did take one l and i'm willing to eat that and i did throw
that out there too so project that i thought i could trust and the people i thought i could
trust but obviously not because that was an l I want to reiterate how important it is to like, if you're going to take someone's plays, you got to take them all so you can have better odds.
And I'm not saying you have to take them all, but don't be that guy that takes the one out of the seven and is like, oh my God, it didn't cook.
Like, come on, dude.
Like, duh, that's literally the name of the fucking meme game.
That's literally the meme game.
A hundred percent.
Yeah, you got it.
You got it.
Again, we call it spreading risk, right? You got to gotta spread your risk so if you get one call take it it fails okay try another
try another turn now if you're on like count like five or ten and they've all failed there's
something wrong right then you can start being like i don't know about this but like if one
didn't cook and you catch two or three that really cooked then you know maybe know, maybe it's worth dabbling with that person, in my opinion,
if they got good, you know, trades and stuff,
I'd have to throw it out to people.
So I just want to be kind of trained.
But I'm always – I always try to be transparent with people
because I don't want people to think that, you know,
I'm trying to take advantage of them in any way.
I took an L on that one too just because I didn't want to sell on everybody.
I had probably had a much bigger position than a lot of people in that play,
but I was willing to ride that back and, you know,
it is what it is at the end of the day.
I made all that back in some on these other two plays,
so it's not even a big deal.
And those plays are still cooking as we speak.
And honestly, like looking at fundamental plays,
I'm very positive on price action right now.
I'm just super bulled up with the market overall.
I think we have
this last leg that we're going to cook on really well. And then we'll see if we get another bear
market or not going into next year. It could be Q4 this year, Q1 next year. Who knows really,
right? And maybe this cooks for another year. Maybe the cycles get broken somehow.
I don't know that definitively, but I'm definitely going to be deleveraging at minimum going into Q1 and then kind of seeing where the market is in Q1 and then kind of trying to figure out if I want to jump back in or if I want to kind of sit out and see how it plays out.
But that's my thoughts overall on the market.
I did have some people DM me some charts to ask me for it.
Sorry, I didn't get to those specifically.
I'll try and take a look at them, throw them on the screen and comment on them but i know that we have other guests too real quick um
i uh we're not going to get into the uh like the ama and stuff in like another 15 20 so anybody
can ask any questions but what what is your take on if you have like maybe some sort of three-step
process right like we know it's alt season or at least gearing up to be alt season.
Are you on coin market cap looking at the top 50 alts?
Are you looking at volume on deck screener?
Like what's a good way for somebody that understands how to read the market,
understands how to trade and do the basics.
They don't need to be onboarded to means or anything,
but they do want to take advantage of the volume at the moment.
I, man, it's such a hard thing to explain to people but so i i've been i've been doing this for so long like i've just
built up this massive list on trading view and i use certain we'll say certain coins as like
indicators of market you know and and what the market wants to do as far as risk so i think like
i think crow coin was one of those
that I was kind of watching because,
and then I could really do like a full breakdown for people.
It's kind of crazy, but like there are like CEXs
and stuff like that.
When those start to get motion,
that means you're getting more interest
and then you start to get, you know, L1s,
which you're starting to see right now
with ETH and stuff like that
and Solana cooking a little bit.
Again, just more interest.
And I kind of watch those to see what's going on there.
And, like, if I'm really looking at alts, I do like the ETH-BTC pair.
But I think, like, there's very little signal unless you're getting significant moves against Bitcoin, right?
There's a lot of people like, oh, you can't cook on alts until Bitcoin bottoms
or until ETH bottoms against BTC.
And I would say that you're absolutely wrong on that.
It's just certain sectors that you had to get the lookout for.
And kind of finding those things specifically
is hard for a lot of people.
You have to first off to kind of look and see what,
you know, the market is really wanting
to kind of push towards like narratives.
It could be like influencer tokens, right?
Those were a thing for a little bit, too.
Those were kind of hot.
I think those are kind of cool down a little bit and those will kind of, I think, come back later on.
But like all we've had is like a jug of money just swishing back and forth.
You just had to kind of figure out where that jug of money has been wanting to go.
But I think like right now, the market is really kind of searching for that next coin that it can feel safe in.
And I think that with all the rugs that have already occurred, it's hard for a lot of participants to feel like they can feel safe in a coin.
So kind of to your title, too, and I want to point that out too because i thought that was
pretty interesting because i do have some thoughts on that you know i do think like followers do look
to specific kols or you know specific influencers or specific traders to give them good insight
on you know plays that they can feel safe in And because there's really no alpha without other people around you.
Like if you think that me, even as a trader,
I don't have some information. You're wrong. I, I always have some information.
I always dig like, but I,
I'm more the person that will go and ask the questions, right?
Like I'll reach out to teams and stuff like that and try and figure out what
they are, what they have cooking and everything else.
And I'll even kind of test the waters myself before I even show it to anybody and see if they're going to try and rub me first
and it's kind of the name of the game and the more liquidity you have the easier this becomes
the problem is a lot of people aren't operating with a lot of liquidity so it's a lot harder for
them specifically whereas like if you have a lot of liquidity like it's been really easy for me because it's like
i'm not looking to compound two hundred dollars into two hundred thousand dollars i'm
i'm throwing in like stupid amounts of money at really low you know really low valuations on coins
and then you know kind of watching them run and then getting in with teams that actually can cook
and you know i did the same thing with mod
and i pointed out many times i thought that was a really good cooker and it cooked hard man like i
mean i got in really low on that one with a with a decent bag i think i threw like 10k at that one
and i'm just slowly kind of gathering my winners and gathering the teams that i know and kind of
huddling around them specifically to kind of
protect the people that I have followed me because I want the people that are following me to get into
good plays and actually make money I don't I don't want to chase KOLs across the board because I think
there are KOLs that cook and there are KOLs that cook you and I think uh in a lot of ways you have
to kind of evaluate people and figure out which ones will do which and then figure out when they're trying to be honest and when they're trying to BS.
So, you know, it's up and down, I would say.
But overall, like I would say, like if you're trying to fish out the next trench play, like I think going to like pump fun dot com and trying to pick out a trench play is like throwing
darts at the board with with a blindfold on it it's it's such bad odds but like if you're looking
for cookers look for teams the best cookers i've had this cycle to be honest with you are ctos
like ctos cook they really cook if you have the right team back in the cto there's different types of cto oh i can
i can give some alpha i'll give you some alpha um so cto specifically when i'm looking at cto's i
like low wallet count cto's because that means there's a lot of a lot of potential buyers right
so if you get a low wallet count cto those those are really good cooks for sure. Like you can make a lot of moves on those.
But like if you have high wallet count CTOs, sometimes in most cases, I'll say most of the time,
it'll be somebody CTOing it, trying to get to break even so they can sell.
And then the CTO team will back off once they get back to break even.
So you have to be kind of careful fishing for high wallet count CTOs versus
low wallet count CTOs and understand the team that's cooking on it. Talk to them a little bit,
see if they'll talk to you and if they'll talk to you, then at that point, you can kind of get a
conversation going and see what their plans are and fill them out. I think if you're going to cook
in that manner, you can do that. Other than that, I would say you can run off charts, right? We've
talked about it many times. My strategy is pretty above the 50 daily you're good to go you start
hitting 86 to 95 you should probably start shaving because that's your strength is way too high
and i'll continue to keep preaching that to people and one thing i've helped a lot of my followers
understand now now they get it it took them a long time is i'm like
look you're up two or three x take initial you can't be butthurt if it goes to zero tomorrow
if you didn't lose anything you if you want to take some profit at the top take profit at the top
but protect your capital that's that's always that's always the name of the game so i would
say like trenching that that's what i would say. I'd say low wallet counts.
You can run your RSI, your stocks, your volume, stuff like that.
But trenching blind new launches,
you're going to probably lose more than you're going to win.
No, well, let's be real.
Come on.
But nobody's trenching new launches unless you got that group chat alpha.
You get me?
Unless you're launching them.
You see me.
You see me.
You see me.
You see me.
You see me.
Joe, what your post is.
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We got some bowlers in the room. Maybe they
add to it, yo. Maybe they motherfucking
add to it. We got Brett up here,
Liz, Mob, Girl in the Verse,
Prez. Holy shit,
Prez!
Oh, he came out of the dark
side to come hang with the girl.
Okay, good shit, Prez.
Good fucking shit. We got Paul up here.
Thank you, everybody, for pulling up.
What, Will?
I was just going to say, no bullshit, though.
Maybe we do the 1K next week
or something like that.
We won't tell them what day.
We won't tell them what day.
We're going out there one of the days
next week.
This is Daddy Will talking.
This is Daddy Will talking. This is Daddy Will talking.
This is a big deal. This is a very, very
much so big deal. Make sure you
I cook this week, man. I can't be upset.
I love this guy, man.
This is the kind of guy you want on your team.
You know why? He's not going to grift you.
He's not going to grift you. He's not going to use you. He's not going to
rinse you. I love this
guy. Fuck, I love this dude. Liz!
What's up, Liz? No, you're about to let will play cheap daddy he literally committed to something already i already commented will it's too late you're gonna have to figure out a new giveaway for next
week and profits i don't know who the hell you were calling off her text message i felt that it
was a personal attack because i texted her this morning and i was like all i said was profits i'm
proud of the way you conduct yourself on fucking line and then she's like people were
texting me so i don't know i'm here prophets what's up what liz that's a great that was a
great text message thank you no i literally got a text message about seven minutes ago
and uh it just made me crack the fuck up so that's what i was referring to specifically
thank you for that message earlier i genuinely genuinely appreciate that. And I think it's
starting to become more obvious after years go by. And this is just how the nature of this space is.
Honestly, this is the nature of life. Sometimes you cannot react, respond, talk, sometimes ever,
but other times you have to kind of wait it out because then you look crazy. You look psycho.
I'm already loud. I'm already brown. I'm already ghetto so i gotta i gotta play shit differently sometimes unfortunately i'm not i
wasn't born a white chad you feel me no no shade to white chad we love white chad white chad be
behind the section but i'm not a white fucking chad so to bind the section yeah yeah yeah behind
the section because white chad wants to you fucking up the section at the club
White Chad wants to hang with the cool kids
So he's like yo what do I gotta do
I said well we already got this taken care of buddy
What do you wanna do
There you go reach in that
Motherfucking
Reach in that pocket
If you're calling white Chad buddy
He ain't buying no section for you
Just letting you know Yeah that, yeah, that's true.
Yeah, he's offensive now.
Yeah, it's all right. It's what's up profits.
We only see good experiences that actually occur. Okay, what's up?
Oh, I'll spoken today. I want to let him go first.
Yeah, well, thanks for having me profits Prophets. I appreciate it for having me
up on the space here.
Was able to connect with you kind of back
behind the channels and things. I know,
obviously, you've had some differences
with some individuals that
I'm with in terms
of, like, working with in the past.
But, hey, we're here to
mend that and to work together
with things that are going forward into the future.
Also, I wanted to say, to extend that out, you are the first selected person that we are going to be giving two tickets to for our event that we're going to be doing in Vegas.
for our event that we're going to be doing in Vegas.
So you're the first person that is going to be getting those tickets,
two of them that we're giving out to having different people at the event.
I know that you were saying that you're going to be in Vegas
for a lot of the things that's going on with Bored Ape.
I wanted to also extend that invitation for you
and then one other person completely on us to go and attend that event.
Oh, dude, that's really nice of you let me uh
yeah so it's um it's gonna be october 15th through the 17th uh we're actually partnered
with tau group um this is our second event that we've done with tau now uh we did an event with Tao out in New York city a few months ago.
That went extremely well.
A lot of things blossomed out of that relationship into us doing a big event
with them in Vegas at the Venetian hotel and resort.
So we've got Hakkasan shut down.
We're going to shut down Tao beach club and we're gonna shut down tau nightclub
for community and exclusive events i think you should also extend an invite to tmos down there
tmos will bring the women out uh he'll definitely be bringing out the women oh we're not gonna have
any issues with the woman i can tell you that from our last event from our last event we're
definitely not gonna have any issues with the woman. There we go.
That's what I want to hear.
That's exactly what I want to hear.
Thank you for that, Tal.
No, I'll hit you up after.
We definitely are due for a little chat.
Absolutely.
Definitely see what's good.
Mob, what's going on, bro?
How's your day going?
I'm chilling.
Life's good.
How are you?
I heard you getting into it earlier with the VC guys, man.
Yeah, those guys are idiots, dude. I don't want to get back into it.
Oh, no, no, no. We don't want to get back into it, dude.
I just want to commend you for holding your ground. Housing market collapse. Car market collapsing.
Everybody's poor. Nobody has savings.
Market continues to go up and to the right forever.
Holy shit.
Yeah, I wonder how many people are currently unblocking me right now.
Shout out to the Dojinal Dog.
Hey, everybody's got me blocked.
It's okay.
Everybody unblock Will, too.
Make sure you unblock Will.
Go like his fucking post up.
Wait, wait, wait.
Hold on.
Before we continue, I did want to bring this up.
I can't pin.
Well, let me try to pin it.
But, dude, Sandbox just laid off like 50% of its staff.
Founders.
Yeah, they did.
Yeah.
Pushed to the side.
This is my whole thing.
I love Sandbox, by the way.
Bullish on some of the people I met there.
Super cool.
But there was a fucking point in time where we were really bullish on the fucking metaverse, okay?
Shout out to Kate Erwin. I'm reading off her tweet here. It says,
Big shakeup being reported at the sandbox. Over half of employees being laid off.
Founders removed from current roles. Animoca CEO Robbie Young has stepped in.
At least five offices to be closed. Apparently, there's a meme coin launchpad in the works.
Hold the fuck up.
Motherfuckers looked at the
Pump Fun Playbook and said,
hold on, there's only six
whole motherfuckers that work there?
Fuck that!
Fire everybody! We're launching a launchpad!
Call Anselm! Call
Surab Guy! Call Frank! We're gonna be
fine! Dude, that
makes a lot of fucking sense. That makes a lot of fucking sense that makes
a lot of fucking what do you will
what do you think of this what do you think of this
please stop
look if you're here listening
okay and you plan
on making another launchpad
for the love of god
hey but at least this time it's gonna be on
base though it's a base launchpad
no yes it's going to be on base, though. It's a base launchpad. Yes, brother.
It's base meme coins.
No, this is a launchpad for metaverse meme tokens, so it's cool.
It's different.
Oh, metaverse meme.
Okay, when are we doing AI meme tokens?
Fuck!
Why are you airing out my idea, Will?
Come on.
Yo, Sandbox raised like 300...
What was it?
Like 350 mil million sales on yeah
400 mil like it was 350 in 2021 and they extracted it all didn't put any back into the ecosystem so
yeah gg sandbox hey they kept those mfers on payroll longer than i thought they would though
like yeah gotta remember like like
going through the bear market and everything else they really dispersed out that liquidity to the
people that worked for them so i mean shout out to them for doing that actually profits when you
just mentioned sandbox i was like wait what like they're still here like i i honestly had no idea
it was still a company i thought they were like long gone. No, most of those companies just exist in name. They don't actually exist.
Right? They still have a token and they exist in name. That's it.
I'm actually kind of pissed because I have land. So, fuck that place.
What does this mean for your land?
Bro, I don't even want to talk about it.
Zero? Zero?
No, but you know what? You know what's hilarious?
I forget who it was
but remember when we were
in that group, that trading group
and I was telling everybody everything's
going to end? I was telling
this one person specifically to sell
all their fucking, all their land
from
that shit. They told this like i think it
was like two or three months ago they were like thank you so much for telling me to sell all my
land because it ain't worth anything now i was like yeah i was like that's how these cycles play
out i'm like they're full extraction you gotta you gotta play part of the hype yeah it's interesting to see how this
will go but i think that they'll catch a bid i think we're seeing everything kind of catch a
bid now and the first start of that that we really saw was the fine art stuff on eth really catching
a bid and that stuff starting to move so if fine art is catching a bit and people
are buying that then i think metaverse land's definitely going to catch a bit and we'll see
how far up it goes i don't think it's going to do extraordinarily well i think that was
much more a 22 uh 2021 thing that was really pushing forward that and we had like all the
vr headsets that were coming out at the time if you remember the vive the oculus all that other stuff that was really pushing that narrative hard
that now like barely anybody uses so i don't think that it'll do extraordinary well but i
definitely think it will catch a bid for sure i don't know i i i think a lot of those things like
if they see any bid it just bots i don't Well, it doesn't matter because if the bots push it up,
then you can sell into the bids and you can cash out and make the money.
Yeah, I mean, if you want to sit in one of those plays
for that high risk to reward,
I think the risk to reward there just isn't there.
I mean, if you're holding it, sure.
You got to pray that that happens.
But if you're not holding it, man, I think buying that shit, you're just going to get wrecked. I think you're not it sure you got to pray that that happens but if you're not holding it
man i think buying that shit you're just gonna get wrecked i think i think you've either got to
go like two ways of strategy though right like there's nobody nobody makes it mid curving right
you've either got to go super safe or super degenerate and yeah and i think buying those
plays is super degen i think buying fine art even early when you
were buying it is pretty degenerate so uh it's definitely interesting to see how that'll play
out the other thing though is is that it's it's kind of a a higher tier game when it comes to like
cost basis of people coming in people are used to being able to throw 10 to 20 into a meme coin and
that being the case
for buying in um but i don't think that it'll catch a bit until whales are just looking to just
buy random shit and there's just money and everything flowing around everywhere and then
that's when you'll really see a lot of these different um vcs and liquidity partners really
start to pump money into these collections in order to extract some out of their supply
that's what i was talking about yesterday with profits i was like until people become rich again
nfts don't really do much i was like that's just how this is going to work i don't know brother i
feel like we've actually had a lot of success in in our sector speaking in coming in from
an outside perspective so me personally i've been around crypto since like 2019
um i didn't even get on crypto twitter until uh this past year i made this account in december
2023 and then ended up like growing this account very well in a year thanks to the nft community
that i joined and um with the floor price of that even being on like a section small
like uh subculture community like dogecoin it's went from like a free mint to now they're like
four grand a pop so like being able to do that like in this market there's definitely exceptions
to the rule that and um another one to highlight outside of this community would be toyo robots
with what uh the bonk guy creator did
with unrugging that collection so there's definitely been some nft plays to play for sure
i don't think we're disputing that that's that's a given i would even argue and say uh me being
unbiased from let's say i didn't even know anything about dojo knows i had no relations or
anything i would just say that's like a bro Bro, this is a compliment, by the way.
That's like a fucking...
That's like a live version of an XRP community.
Like, that's unheard of.
No motherfuckers are different.
No, I'm for real.
I said this with love.
And I don't know the...
But you used XRP.
Shut up.
I don't...
It's a good...
Bro, XRP army on the internet is awesome.
You get fucking a thousand XRP followers,
your engagement's good forever, okay?
My point is of what Toil just said,
I'm getting at the fact that what will means
when we want to start flexing again,
I think when we're blowing past all-time highs,
blow off top, all this money is flowing,
there's going to be purchases and things on the timeline.
Money laundering. I bought my penguin, I bought my ape, I bought things on the timeline and money laundering penguin. I
bought my ape. I bought my whatever the fill in, whatever the fuck. And that is what is what I
think that that's going to be like, Oh my God. Like what you guys are like, what you just mentioned
as far as like your community, your cult community specifically. Yeah. Like that's dope. Like that's
really cool. And Hey, maybe, maybe more people even fumble into stuff like that. that right but um i think overall what we're getting at is just the fact that when people start
to want to like think about the uh the table flexing you know towards the end of the year
like at our basil and everybody wants to buy a table in miami yeah you dumb fuck yeah you want
to buy a table in miami you're not paying rent for the rest of your fucking oh my goodness um but
that's what it means like more like flexing more like flexing the fact that you have the money to buy, you know, fill in your favorite fucking product or whatever.
Yeah, I think more what I, like when I speak and I always get people confused because they're always like, this guy's just negative Nancy.
It's like, bro, I'm just speaking from like a trader mindset, right?
Like I need number go up.
So number stay stable isn't really my play but number go up
is my play and so like i think like a lot of these nft you know projects have done well to get where
they are and hold their floor but i think from like a number go up standpoint there's not a lot
of volume and movement and i would say other side buyers to where you can just swap these things
continuously whereas like in 2021
you could do it very easily right you'd always have a buyer on the other side of yourself
and i would i would agree and i i'm also a person that comes in from a trader perspective so i
sympathize with you in that because like i didn't trade nfts at all last cycle because i was like
these things make no fucking sense to me why would i
wait for somebody to like oh yeah say i wanna like get out of this like nft and have to have
somebody say oh yeah i agree to buy that for you it's like i'm stuck and i can't get out unless
somebody says that i can get out and somebody decides when i get out so that was one of the
main reasons why i never traded NFTs last cycle.
Now, looking at things now from the perspective that I've been able to develop from learning
to understand NFT culture and having NFT people around me, I realized that I faded a fuck
ton of money.
But hey, I mean, hindsight's 20-20, I did very well with tokens.
Were you in the DeFi ape era?
Not yet.
I was not in the defy ape era not yet i was not in the defy ape era
yo yo tall would have been a one of the one giving away 50 defy eggs as well shout out to
that was a fun time that's before it got different and weird but we don't have to go into that um
talk to me no yeah i definitely would have been and um i think he had 10 minutes he had 20 minutes
hey hey i gotta i gotta make time for you.
Cause you know, profits, you've been nothing but nice to me actually, since we connected
and, um, wait, I wasn't mean to you in your DMS or anything.
I didn't tell you.
No, no, you weren't.
You weren't actually.
No, no.
At first, like you were like saying stuff about like, oh, but then, but then I think after
like hearing me like speak on spaces and being able to actually like talk and have conversations
back and forth, you're like, hey, this guy's like actually decent with the hell's he got
going on here.
And so then it was like, we ended up like networking and talking a little bit back and
forth.
And, you know, that's what like, this is about.
And that's what I'm out here doing, you know, like, the same thing with Prez even, too.
Shout out to Prez.
And, like, that's what, like, I'm about is going into these different, like,
communities and different spaces and really being able to build back these
bridges.
Because I think what ends up happening is you end up having, and you've
experienced this too, Prophets, you end up having, like, a narrative that is
pushed by a bunch of people that have a self-interest for themselves that at the end of the day isn't true.
And that ends up like causing a bunch of like people to think like one way or the other when those things aren't actually accurate.
Well said.
Well said.
We'll set. We'll set. We'll set. We'll quick. We'll hold on. Let me reset the room real quick.
Well said.
Real quick, Will, hold on.
Let me reset the room real quick.
8.03 PM. I'm going to call the winners for the two claw plays in about 15 minutes. Again,
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We have some awesome special guests that I'm going to pass to. Will, you could complete
your thought real quick, and then I'm going to go ahead and pass to my guests.
No, I was just going to say, like, I didn't have any,
I guess I didn't really have any quans with a community.
But I do think, like, NFTs, that's what they're all about specifically, right?
NFTs are specifically about community.
But I definitely had some some cons with some people
but uh yeah people aren't around anymore yeah it is what it is it happens it happens i thought
i thought uh the dogenal dog thing was all like just fake bots until i started i heard
tall and a couple of them speak um but i totally thought they were all bots for a long time well that's
my cue to prove i'm human hi yeah that's what i'm saying these people i always think they're
just bots there's like a thousand of them all the time around he's been around for a while i
remember i've heard this voice before nice little cute pup you got there um all right let's get it
let's get to our guests thank you so much uh for being
patient guys listen this is a this is a brutal stage all right so brace yourself um now but we
got yadi up here we got rob up here the founders of mango looks like a cool trading bot on base i'm
gonna let them uh speak about it but yadi if you don't mind giving a little bit of your background
uh what brought you into crypto what brought you into being a dev and curating your product.
Welcome to the show. How are you doing?
Yo, what's good? Thank you. Thank you, Profis, for the opportunity and having us as a guest.
So basically, to make it long story short, basically, I was
in a really low point of my life around 2017 because I was in the army. You know, I fucked
up. I went to Afghanistan. When I came back, I fucked up. I got kicked out of the army.
So I slept on the streets for a little bit, on u-hauls shower on planet fitness and then
i heard a friend of mine uh his girl talking about bitcoin this was you know early 2017
uh or mid 2017 and she was saying that she saw it a couple years back for like a hundred dollars
and it hit 17k and i was like what the fuck i couldn't even comprehend what happened so i started reading a lot uh so i got into cryptos
late late 2017 uh yeah i got into cryptos and and started learning about you know reading the
bitcoin i speak spanish right so for me reading the bitcoin white paper at those times was not
easy uh reading hash functions and all that i was like what the fuck i'm reading Right. So for me, reading the Bitcoin white paper at those times was not easy.
Reading hash functions and all that. I was like, what the fuck I'm reading?
But I kept reading it and and I fell in love with, you know, what what it stands for, what what is Bitcoin and blockchain and all that.
Then I learned about Ethereum and got into DeFi, you know, early, early, I'll say mid 202018, late 2018, I saw literally the launch of Aave, which they have
flash loans. And when I learned about flash, I don't know if you guys know about flash loans,
but it's basically, if you know how to code in a blockchain, because of the nature of the
blockchain, you can ask for a stupid amount of money and pay it back in the same transaction.
So you can do arbitrage for free, basically.
So I learned about flash loans and I was like, yo, this is crazy, right?
So I just kept falling in love with it.
So I was, you know, I was using Uniswap early on.
I was, you know, just buying tokens, doing dollar cost average.
And in 2021, you know, DeFi summer buying tokens, doing dollar cost average. And in 2021, uh, you know,
DeFi summer, make a lot of money. Uh, like any, like most of us, I think, uh, did a lot of stupid
shit. So I blew up, I blew up, uh, literally millions of dollars. Uh, so yeah, when everything
came crashing down, uh, I saw myself in a tight spot.
You know, I was living a expensive lifestyle, big-ass house, you know, just a lot of stuff.
So I had to cut down on that.
And that's when, you know, I always, as I was learning, I always read, you know, smart contracts or token smart contracts.
And, you know, when I was at lunch, I was reading the documentation for flash loans and I didn't know because I didn't know how to code. So I was like,
yo, what the fuck is this? Right. So I kept reading. And in 2022, once, you know, I literally
hit zero from a couple mil, I went back to zero. I started learning how to code. I kind of,
I kind of hit a point that i was like yo
i know how to make money you know investing in cryptos and all that but i want to kind of take
it a step further uh so i i in puerto rico we have a school which is a holberton school no not not
pay promotion or anything but it's basically they started on silicon valley they went to puerto rico and and i decided to
take the journey so it was nine months of learning how to code uh basics of coding
and and because i have already a blockchain background so i was started building a lot of
stuff uh i was i built you know arbitrage smart contracts. None of them make money. None of them make money. I built sniper bots for base.
Basically, you know, I found out real quick that you can't buy every single token that goes, you know, that people make because you'll get drained in a couple seconds.
So I just started building stuff.
And then I had one experience that changed everything.
It was that I was dollar-cost averaging in this token.
And basically, I dollar-cost averaged for a couple months, saved up a couple of grand on it, and the token went literally 10x.
So I was driving to my work, and my boy hit me up. He's like, yo, look at the token. And I saw it, and I was like, holy work to work and my boy hit me up.
He's like, yo, look at the token.
And I saw it and I was like, holy shit, think about it.
I have a kid, you know, I have to buy Pampers.
I have to buy all that stuff.
So I rushed to basically sell it.
So I have to park my car.
I have to take out my computer.
I have to put my hotspot on.
I have to try to sell the token.
And it was a mess.
So that's when i was like okay
so i need something to manage my own to manage my own trade so i can just basically if i want
to sell something i'll sell it you know with a few buttons and that's it and so i kind of you
know i heard about bunkbot but i didn't with it because i have to send my funds uh so i started
kind of building it for myself,
building a bunk bot for myself,
kind of using bunk bot
and started doing reverse engineering on it.
You know, basically using it and being like,
okay, so this is how it works.
This is how I can do this.
And a lot of people on my Instagram
started hitting me up that, you know,
they want to use it and all that.
And I was like, yo, it's no way.
I'm from the U.S.
So with this, how I was building it, it was no way for me to make it non-custodial.
So if I want people to use it, they will have to put their private keys
or I will have to create their private keys so they can trade.
So I literally kind of abandoned the project for a couple months.
I just hit a dead spot. And then I found out about Telegram mini apps. And when I found out
about Telegram mini apps, I was like, yo, this is it. So basically I started building the first,
well, to my understanding, a non-custodial Telegram bot.
So people can use the same interface they're used to when they use Uniswap or Pankyswap or Radium,
building the same interface within Telegram.
So that's basically the long story short of it, of, you know, a little bit of my background
and how I got the idea to build mango
uh and yeah i don't know if you guys got questions oh i got a lot of questions
which are he's new guys give him a break
um no yeah i'm just messing with you that was well said that was well said
yo do you do you trench at all do you you mean? I know what Robert's background is.
What's your background?
Were you also doing like sales stuff?
Were you always into trading?
Or like what was your background before like trading?
So I was, well, before I joined the Army, I joined the Army at 19 as an infantryman.
I was doing dumb stuff, you know, just like any other person, I think, you know, selling weed and,
you know, just, I didn't want to work at McDonald's or anything. So that's why I joined the army
eventually. Uh, so when I got kicked out of the army, I started, uh, working, uh, on a restaurant,
like a, like a bus boy. Uh, and you know, I, I met Roberto early 2017.
I think.
So this is how I met.
This is the fun.
You know, this is how I met Roberto, literally.
I was sleeping behind McDonald's in Atlanta.
And I got pulled up.
And some cops pulled up.
And they told me I had like two grams on my back.
I always smoked.
So I was half asleep.
They woke me up.
Yeah.
Damn, weed back in the day.
You getting locked up for that?
Hell yeah.
So, basically, they pulled up and I was half asleep.
They told me, hey, you know, can we search your bag?
And I was like, yeah, fuck it, you know.
I was sleeping behind a McDonald's and they found out.
And they literally just fucking took me to, they detained me.
Two weeks passed by, I was going to go to court. My mom found out, I don't know how,
because I didn't call her. She found out, you know, she bailed the bail the same day she paid
the plane ticket to go home back to Puerto Rico. That same day I got to Puerto Rico,
back to Puerto Rico. That same day I got to Puerto Rico, someone hit me up on Instagram that I hit
before. Then I was talking a little bit about cryptos and stuff. And that same day I went to
his crib in Puerto Rico. And that same day Roberto got there and we clicked because we literally live
like 15 minutes from each other and we have never seen each other in our life so it was kind of crazy
and that's how we started the grind basically uh i love that and he was he was a trader the
person that invited us to his house uh he was doing mlm too you know i am by um those times
uh well at those times it was it wasn't Am. It was, I don't remember.
But it was one of those. The point is, Roberto puts you on the right track.
I like that.
Very nice.
Very, very nice.
Yeah, yeah.
We kind of clicked, man.
And we kind of clicked.
And we just went with it.
And we were both broke.
I used to have my mom's car.
And we used to just split like $10.
We were like, bro, I got $5.
You got $5.
Let's put $10 in gas.
And let's go to this person's house to keep learning.
And we did that for a while.
And then, you know, we got into cryptos, you know, DeFi summer and all that.
There you go.
So, yeah.
That's what I wanted to hear.
So, I'll say this because the crowd doesn't know you like that.
You guys have been having your own spaces.
You guys have your own community.
I know Roberto's been building like his reputation, his name he does for a while similar to myself. I think that's why we click pretty well
I also pinned up a video to the top from their page if you guys want to check it out
Go ahead and check it out, but this is my this is my whole thing
This is actually why I was interested in doing this
I I genuinely believe and maybe because I'm um i know i come from a
different side of the internet even though we log into crypto twitter but for those that don't know
right little prophets lord oh looks like luna's not high anymore all right chill relax guys she
was fucked up yesterday bro she's so much better today she's actually barking today thank god
um but no this is what i want to say i genuinely think people like this um bring in new volume bring in new people bring we talk about
oh how are you gonna hunt what kool is gonna hunt nobody gives a fuck about the kool that got 800
fucking body likes i promise they don't fucking see it okay they don't fucking see it you know
what the normies are laughing at? The memes that we post.
I got a DM from a friend like, yo, you made it to my normie group chat. And they sent like a tweet I made.
And I was like, the fuck? This is not even an educational tweet. This is a shit post.
So anyway, I think people like this that come from different parts of the internet, different parts of entrepreneurship,
come in, want to build a product in a a specific sector actually bring in new fucking people i look at their spaces i look at their following i look at
the people engaging with them i've never seen these people in my life so that means that they're
bringing in bringing these people in right i think that's bullish i i personally think that's
i'm not saying the product is the best in the world or anything but that alone is great we want
new blood we want new people we want to
interact with new people um have you done any like nft trading did you did you hang out on
crypto twitter did you is just your first year on crypto twitter or no hell yeah i was i was like uh
when i got into cryptos in 20 late. I literally made my Twitter account.
And I started, you know, just basically...
I got into NFTs in 2019.
So I basically, you know, saw, you know, crypto digbots and all this fucking crazy stuff.
You know, I bought a mutant back in the day.
So I got into NFTs, I won't say early, but 2019, uh, early 2019 started buying like
crazy and, and yeah, you know, I made a lot of money in NFTs, but I also lost a lot of
money because, you know, I used to sell, uh, I sold a shit ton of, uh, sandbox at land.
I was buying for 600 bucks, 700 bucks.
And I sold them for, I sold for 7000, $10,000 at the peak.
But I also just buy a shit ton of NFTs again, you know, and kind of bought.
You know, I didn't make no more money because, you know, nobody wanted to buy any of those shits again.
So, but yeah, definitely a learning experience.
And, yeah.
Crypto dick butt whale right here, guys.
Man, I fucking love it.
I love my crypto dick butt.
You guys make sure you shoot a follow up here to the speaker.
What is this, a lemon?
What's your PFP, buddy?
We need to change this to a manual.
We need to change this.
So that's a...
I forgot the name.
Basically, it was a rug. but I just fucked with it.
It's called, uh, G pebbles.
Bro, that is, that is everybody's answer.
Oh, it was a rug, but I fucked with it.
That's, that's, that's why NFTs are never going to fucking die.
A hundred percent why they're never going to fucking die.
Yeah, like, but they're basically, uh, uh, they're kind of imitating ether rocks, you
know, cause they're like a hundred rocks and, you know, so they kind of do the same thing, drop 100 NFTs and they're like pebbles instead of rocks.
So I thought it was kind of cool. I own like half of the collection, but it's not worth anything.
Not yet. Not fucking yet. Wait till your product pops up. Everyone's going to buy whatever you're holding.
Brother, you know what you should do whenever you actually make
it and make a lot of money you should then buy an ether rock and then level up your pebble to a rock
to show everybody that you made it oh hell yeah bro i'ma buy you know bro i love the culture of
of nfts you know either rocks and and and like the crypto dig balls and the punks you know i
really with it and once i make a lot of
money and i buy properties for my kids i'll definitely buy more nfts but you know first
are the properties i'm also acoustic so i also like rocks bro you said buy properties for your
kids before buying nfts what is going on here i'm not retarded but i like rocks real quick real quick so we can
wrap this up um also they're going to be hanging out here more often i keep telling you guys you
want to build a sick product in the space you're going to do it no matter what but you got to be
interactive not just even on my spaces but other other communities right hang out other communities
a lot of people here actually all either host their own space or they hang out
Like really cool spaces. So I would recommend following everybody here yadi
so you can interact and also, you know get into these like trenches of crypto Twitter and the community but
Name one or two or three
You know main reasons you think your product your trading
Product is gonna like be different or maybe change the way we trade if if you think that change your trading product is gonna like be
different or maybe change the way we trade if if you think that change it
changes the way you trade but what what makes it unique is really what I'm
asking what are some things that make it unique so one of the things that for me
I live in Puerto Rico right so we only have a few options to buy cryptos. One is Coinbase. And I think that's it, honestly.
And they when you make an account, they ask you, you know, what color your underwear is.
Have you a virgin? You know, they ask you all the crazy stuff.
So I basically leverage Telegram and thanks to Rion, which was Wallet Connect.
We can you can buy crypto with your visa.
For Puerto Ricans and people in Latin America, that's a huge game change.
Through Mango, you can just put your visa and get cryptos.
And also, one of the things that we're working on is that we want to abstract chains.
We want to abstract chains.
So I don't know if you guys heard about chain abstraction.
So basically when people are using the app, they won't need to know, are you in Solana?
Are you in fucking, are you in base?
Are you in East Mainers?
So what we want to do is basically abstract the chain.
So you'll be able to swap pancake with, I don't know chiba or something like that right so that's
one of the main goals that we where we have we're already working on it uh and yeah basically provide
an interface for people to you know keep buying keep you know we're gonna add uh limit orders but
it's gonna take time right it's not gonna be tomorrow, yeah, I think that's one of the main reasons that, you know,
we're going to separate ourselves,
even though we are the only non-custodial swap on Telegram.
You know, bunkbot and all those bots together move around $61 million a day,
and they're all the same.
They have, you know, you have to send the funds and just swap, you know, and trade and then withdraw whatever you send.
So we have that different approach on it.
So we are kind of the only ones in the Telegram market with that, you know, non-custodial approach.
And, yeah, we're going to keep, you know, adding stuff like chain abstraction.
We also want to add new EIPips that allow us to go gasless so people if
you have i don't know you have chiba and you don't have it you'll still be able to sell it right so
or you know you that's basically with sponsorship and going gasless or you can pay your gas fee
on usdc if you have usdc and chiba you can pay your gas fee in usdc so there's a lot of things that for developers
a lot of eips that are coming out but a lot of developers are not really putting the time in to
to integrate this into the application level you know so basically they do the same thing and they
don't they they don't kind of look forward to how we can bring more people you know abstracting chains for me that's a big one because when i say my my my semi my my token is on base
they're like okay so what the fuck is base or what the fuck is this so uh i think one of the
first step is basically chain abstraction that's one of my main goals right now. Say less. Well, that was well said.
Guys, give him a round of applause.
This is like his first AMA, I'm sure.
A lot of you guys would choke up.
So great job.
Great job.
Great job.
Will, go ahead.
Go ahead, Will.
I was just going to bring up a chart, but if we have more questions about this, we can
do those, please.
He could always bring up a fucking chart.
Roberto, you want to add anything or anything, bro?
Yeah, yeah.
Thank you so much for, you know, giving us the opportunity to talk in front of your people
as well, Shanice.
Yeah, we're just very excited about what we have created.
Like Yaddy said, I've been in this space for nine years, you know, being a part of the market, you know, cycles and watching everything that's happening since 2016.
It's just amazing to see that we're about to be in a position like we was back in 2021.
So I'm just grateful and blessed to be here and having this product that actually is bringing a solution to the market.
Like Yaddy said, we're the first non-custodial in the, you know,
Telegram bought swaps, multi-chain,
so people can literally have, you know,
all of the top chains in the market in one place,
like ETH, SOUL, you know, TRONS, MARS chain. We're going to have all of the top chains in the market in one place like ETH, Sol, you know, Trons, Martian,
we're gonna have all of them. The referral system is just, you know, something amazing too,
because we have five levels deep that we pay and it's multi-chain as well. So we pay in all of
the chains. If you have users swapping through Ethereum, you get paid in Ethereum. If you have
users swapping through, I don't know, like, Sol, you get paying Sol.
And, yeah, I'm just, you know, grateful and blessed that, you know, that we get to do this together.
Because, like Yadis said, we was those guys that, you know, we met back in 2018 and we didn't have nothing, you know.
you know um we were splitting the gas literally so um coming from from nothing to you know being
We were splitting the gas, literally.
a partner in this special um project um i'm just you know grateful to be here but yeah um thank you
thank you so much of course again definitely keep pulling up to not only this spaces but i would
recommend just dropping into others as much as you can and just including yourself um i think like the biggest thing in this whole space is
we've all realized you don't have to be the smartest the nicest the anything if you have
something cool if you participate if you add value eventually you'll be trusted eventually
um you know your product will do well because it'll speak for itself.
Congrats to you guys launching your product and definitely
excited to see what you guys have going on.
Will, make us some money
tonight, brother. Make us some fucking money
tonight. What are we looking at? What are we looking at
right now, Will?
We've been printing.
Go ahead.
Let's be looking at that Twitter picker so they can give us $1,000.
Exactly. Who is printing only will
people listen when I told them to get
in all right what's we're
in the fucking future all right what
are we talking about right now
827 August 27
2025 brother go ahead oh man 826 August 27, 2025, brother. Go ahead.
Oh, man. That's pretty far in the future, but six days. But I wanted to kind of get into this chart
here between BYD and Tessa. I don't know who this is. All right, Carlos. I don't know who you are,
but you've been asking me for like three days to
bring up this chart comparison all right so i'm bringing it up and i'm gonna explain something to
you okay that's that's what this little this little chat here on the left is right and you
know where i pulled this little chat it's something that you can do very easily just type in ai
why is xx hard for xx to do once it gets past XX amount of market cap, right?
Stocks.
So you want to pull up the BYD Tesla comparison.
They're basically both exactly the same, right?
So if you're not sure what I mean by that specifically, look at the market capitalization.
Tesla is 1.10.
BYD is 1.08.
These are important things to understand.
Why are they important things to understand?
Because when a company, even a real company, gets to a trillion dollar valuation, it then becomes much harder for that company to grow anymore.
Right. That's very important to understand. So what, what does that mean for BYD and Tesla?
I don't know what you mean specifically by outperformance, but I can tell you one might
do a little better than the other from time to time
but they're both both of their performance is going to be shit these are these are companies
that have exhausted all growth like i'll just you know i'm just being real about it i know people
don't like hearing those things why do you think they put the you know some of these companies into
your portfolio your 401k because their growth potential is shit but they're
stable right they're stable so you can get a cool two three percent a year but it keeps the people
that got in early growing off of what you're willing to put in so like if you look at this
right here i just pulled it straight from ai if you want to know the question i asked ai because
i know what to ask so it makes it easy Why does company growth slow down after $1 trillion for a company? Right?
That was the simplest question I could give it. It says right here specifically, it's hard for a
company with trillions of dollars or with a trillion dollar valuation to grow because they
have likely already saturated their primary market, face intense scrutiny from
regulators, and become less agile due to their massive organizational structure.
For these firms, the percentage-based growth rates of their early days are mathematically
impossible to maintain. So it means they can never grow like they used to.
So I just want to explain that to people.
Like if you're looking at a company
and you're looking for growth,
it's even in crypto, right?
When people are trying to show me
fucking billion dollar cap freaking shit coins.
It's like, bro, you're never going 200X from there.
You're never going 2000X from a billion dollar market cap.
I don't give a shit how many times you tell me it's going to happen.
I will never believe you.
It will never, like, is there a possibility of that happening at some point with one in a million?
Sure.
But do I like those odds? No, I'd rather play the things that had the better odds.
But do I like those odds?
I'd rather play the things that had the better odds.
Everything investing and trading, and I'm not offering financial advice, I'm offering financial literacy, right?
Everything from investing to trading to everything should be looked at from a risk to reward ratio, right?
What is the amount of money I'm putting in?
What is the risk I'm taking with the amount of money I'm putting in? What is the risk I'm taking with the amount of money I'm putting in? And what is the return I'm looking for at the end of this?
Not these grandstand, crazy, insane numbers that people come up with. math okay math that's it the math is not mathing for byd or tesla the math is not mathing for a
billion dollar coin to 100x all right i'll just make it that simple for everybody i i hope that
really helps a lot of people that maybe struggle with that stuff you got to look at your risk to
reward you're always better playing the mid to lows
if you're looking to take on substantial risk
and gain substantial gains, right?
If you're looking for sustainability,
you're looking at high caps,
like right now for NVIDIA, for instance, right?
Apple, look at Apple's growth.
Tell me, how much has Apple grown
in the past two, three years, four years, five years? You might as well not even bought, right? Why do you think these stocks offer dividends? Because they have nothing else to give you. So now they have to give you revenue share because their growth is shit. So they offer dividends.
so i just wanted to kind of throw that out there i'm not trying to like beat a dead horse i'm not
trying to upset people i'm not trying to be aggressive i'm just trying to explain people like
just we get we got to think about these things sometimes right and this is going to help you
get better gains if you think about these things and i want you to get better gains
this is why i'm explaining it to you if you're looking in EV sector specifically, I would skip BYD.
I would skip Tesla.
I'd look at mids and lows.
Rivian's a big up and coming.
They have a partnership with Amazon.
Lucid has been in the shithole for quite a while, but has good potential too.
Right?
But those are up and coming EV companies.
If you're looking in that sector specifically, that's what I would look towards.
I wouldn't look towards a Tesla or BYD unless you're looking to stabilize your 401k that's it also right there yeah well um since
you're speaking of teslas um i did buy a puts today on tesla what do you think about 327 over
the next month i think tesla is likely not going to go above all time high.
I really do.
I think they're going to be pretty jacked here.
I mean, if they do, I'll be surprised.
I will say that.
I think the valuation is just too high, right?
And I don't mean like the company doesn't have the many different things that they're doing to justify the valuation.
I'm just saying like it needs an overe extended consolidation if that makes sense like i think it's got to consolidate here for quite some time
before we're going to see higher for tesla basically and you we've seen it in the past i
mean we're at the high end range i don't think puts are a bad idea honestly i think we're going
to probably roll into like 160 at some point, maybe the next six months to a year.
And then from the 160 range, we'll see where we go from there.
But I mean, if you look at the previous consolidation range, it was basically you went from 2013 all the way until 2019 before you actually moved out of the range.
That means you sat there for basically six years.
Likely we'll do something similar here with this consolidation range
where we'll sit here for another six years
before we see any type of move from Tesla.
But yeah, downside looks more likely than upside.
Real quick, quick reminder.
You can't regress the high.
Quick reminder, guys.
That button up top that says Expose Nation, jump in the community.
That's where we hang out.
Well, you need to start dropping more
alpha in there i'm just gonna say that right now um just reminding you again but yeah get it there
if you guys haven't already we're gonna be putting some stuff in there that we don't really put
publicly in the timeline also it's just fucking awesome like this feature x is winning because
of this feature right here not because they fixed spaces because they didn't fucking do that
levi what is the update of the day what did you clip today what was interesting
that you clipped today oh shit um jakey had a naked man on his stream oh my god i saw he was
in a banana hammock i saw that he's like dude is am i gonna get banned for this like that was yeah
and the craziest part was he, he asked and I quote,
what are you packing?
And the guy goes six inches and then they laughed him off the stage.
They were like,
no lies.
He's like,
I'm a,
I'm a grower,
not a shower.
Yeah.
It could never be me.
I don't think as a grown man,
and I mean,
I think he's like around my age by like how he looked as a
grown man I don't think I would ever go on a fucking livestream and do that shit
no matter how much money someone paid me no matter if a gun was fucking held to
my head no I think I think I think that's just the end of my days to be
honest I give it I give that whole situation just, let me get on stream, just in case anybody wants to clip this.
I miss both, but you can go ahead and preface and I'll speak on it.
Oh, okay.
No, I was just going to say, I think, look, man, I was 21.
It wasn't like, hey, apply for this and then come out here and do this and bro you had to fucking
either work a job do illegal shit you don't have to do illegal shit but i'm saying like to get by
because you thought that was the only opportunity bro you got legal opportunities on the internet
right now and uh if you're willing to be cringe and do some wild shit then so be it also i might
be entering a cringe arc.
Just a quick fair warning to everybody.
But anyway, Will, go ahead.
No, I misspoke on BYD.
So I just want to kind of correct that or reverse course.
So BYD is not a trillion.
It's actually 141 billion.
Actually, I got that info from Google, which was wrong, obviously. Should
have known better. I looked on the global rankings and it shows that basically 1.41 billion. But I
would still say I wouldn't go BYD. If you're looking at Chinese EV companies, go like NIO,
right? NIO would be the better up and coming Chinese company if you're going just straight
electric. BYD is more of a universal.
And so it's kind of like the Walmart. So it's going to cap out pretty quickly. It's not going to get to valuations like Tesla, in my opinion, because they do gas and electric vehicles. They're
not specialized. Now that they were specialized in one or the other, I think their valuation
would be better, but because they're just trying to fulfill different angles of the market,
it's almost like a Walmart for cars. So I don't think that they'll do significantly well.
But Neo, good pickup if you're looking for Chinese.
And then if you're looking for American,
I would go with something like Lucid or Rivian.
That was it.
Will, do you think anybody on this stage is able to get cloned?
Are we talking Clone X?
No, no, no, just cloned.
You know these individuals.
Look at these personalities.
You think anybody can copy them?
Do I think people can copy people here on the stage?
Yeah, specifically.
Yeah.
Yeah, I think a couple people can be copied.
That means you guys aren't original enough.
That's what we'll just let you guys know.
Just FYI.
I'm just kidding.
I'm just fucking around.
Real quick, too.
I keep getting this, but people keep saying they can't find a subscriber.
So when you look at somebody's page, right, post is all the way on the left.
Replies is the next column.
And then sub is right beside that. If you're looking for sub-specific replies
or sub-specific posts,
go to the sub section
on the person you're looking at that you're subbed to.
I heard he's giving away
$1,000 to his subscribers.
Nope.
2,000 subs,
2,000 for the subs,
and then 1,000 for the spaces.
Make sure you guys subscribe to Will.
For real, for real.
Here we go.
I was going to say, Will,
you have to do the typical thing.
Tag three friends, retweet,
show pictures of your feet.
Who's doing that?
Refer five friends to also subscribe to me.
Oh, man. Okay, Prophets,
to be honest, would you get cloned?
Because I think I would.
No, I've been
offered before. I said no, so I guess not.
No, hold on, hold on. That's
actually a thing? Like real-life cloning?
Yeah, you live in LA long enough. Something like that
will be offered to you.
Shit, I want to get cloned
that's all that you had today for your clips i saw some prediction market clips give me some of
that shit levi no there was some more shit but i mean it's already been talked about on the
timeline like you know fucking everyone's talking about kol showing prediction markets and they're
they're getting paid but no one's actually telling people they're getting paid for it so like i don't know that's what it i i didn't hear that part i so what you
think that the reason that people more people are talking about is because they're getting paid not
because they genuinely care for it kols are shilling prediction markets crazy right so i
just learned about this new coin called avalanche i think like i was just thinking that i'm like did you find it
on a poly market and all my favorite kols are also at the like suey summit or whatever the
fuck it's called sweet and they're they're on the they're on the stacks on scallop and they're all
saying is is a million dollars worth this oh i that. I think it's because somebody made a,
I think it was Volley, I think said, uh, what was it? Like, I don't think a million dollars
to a whole bunch of KOLs to go to a retreat or to some event is worth it. Uh, I mean,
I guess my response to that would be if you are worth a hundred million, then it is right.
if you are worth a hundred million then it is right because you want to engage let's be fucking
real everybody wants eyeballs attention and engagement and now those specific people that
went are they bringing in that who knows i don't know i'm not looking at the metrics but
like that's the idea like no shade to anybody getting flown off or anything you should be
delivering something i'm assuming right unless
people just like you you know i'm saying anybody just like me you want to fly me out you let me
know but aside i mean i'll fly you out the biggest okay sounds great um so but no profits
yeah it's it's honestly for real like like the fact that they're like flying kols out showing
them hospitality and shit like that i mean it's like it's honestly for real. Like, like the fact that they're like flying KOLs out, showing them hospitality and shit like that.
I mean,
it's like,
it's like smart shit because like,
hold on.
if someone does that to me,
like I'm going to like them no matter what,
you know what I mean?
Like I'm always going to show them love.
I think that's what they're playing with.
So I'm flying you out soon.
Absolutely.
And then I'll always show you love.
Wait,
you was already doing that Levi.
What the?
Correct. It doesn't mean I'm going to change up. You know what I mean? If I love. Wait, you was already doing that, Levi. What the? Correct.
It doesn't mean I'm going to change up.
You know what I mean?
If I already like you, then it's easy.
Are you good with the cargo section on Spirit Airlines?
Good save, Levi.
Spirit Airlines.
So it's a huge sign up?
Hold on.
I'm not expensive.
You can fly me, Spirit.
All right, Beth.
Say less.
Say less.
What's up? Go ahead, Hunt, and then we'll go to g yo i'm actually i've been working out a thesis on this fucking uh predictions platform shit and i
don't think they're specifically being paid for it i think everyone's uh anticipating an airdrop
within the next six months from a few different predictions platforms the reason why i don't think they're being paid for is because no one's mentioning any
specific market. If you notice, they're all just like prediction markets of the future.
Right. That's what I'm, yeah, exactly. I agree. Yeah. No one's like, go here, go here, place this
bet, use my link, blah, blah, blah. So I think they're anticipating an airdrop in the future.
I think anyone, I think no one thinks Polymarket is doing an airdrop.
Everyone thinks they're going public. So if you look at the other prediction markets,
and I won't name them, but there's like three holy shit ones that are potentially doing an
airdrop, the liquidity on them is so low that these large meme coin traders cannot take advantage
of positions. They cannot really control a market when there isn't enough liquidity for them to inject something major.
It's the same reason why, like, GayKey doesn't buy your $17,000 fucking bonk ticker.
You know what I mean?
He's, like, entering something else because there's actual liquidity to enter and exit.
So what are they doing?
They're bringing all the sheep with them, right? The amount of traders on Seoul, obviously on
chain, like we've all seen the chart being passed around lately. I had to go verify it to make sure
it was real. And it's real. It's down an insane amount from like the Trump peak. And it just
keeps going down, even though Solana is doing really well. So
I think they're assuming that if everyone migrates to these prediction markets,
they can both take advantage of the new liquidity that comes in, take advantage of the traders
trying to like, you know, be smart and shit by following the trend and just rinse them for
everything while earning points for an airdrop.
The more people trade on prediction markets, technically the larger the airdrop could be.
So there's like a huge win-win.
But until I start seeing like specific platforms named, I'm going to assume they're not paid shows.
Yeah, I would say this, and maybe I'm just different, but as a trader, I would never trade on a platform that just popped off out of nowhere.
No, honestly, the ones even in question, they're not, because that's something you're agreed.
I haven't seen any new booty ones.
I've only seen the same two or three, Kalshi, Myriad Markets markets and um poly market which are all very like
well doing very well with the users but yeah i agree like you know i i think like when you start
adding like i don't know predictions and everything else into it even even like prediction markets are
more for like real hardcore gamblers i in my opinion than they are for traders like traders like to just trade things that are liquid that they can move in and out of,
whereas prediction markets are like, I bet Taylor Swift's going to wear that pink skirt
tonight, and I'm going to put a bet up on it.
It's just dumb stuff.
I threw some money on the green dildo throw on the WNBA
games. Dude, I cooked. I paid some bills last month.
Because it's all attention, right?
Like, it's all attention.
It's all the same.
I also knew the kid going into the game.
I may have not knew them as well.
You'll draw in gamblers 1,000% on attention.
But I think traders are just, if they can actually trade,
if they actually know what they're doing, there's no way they're going to take the risk on something like that but you
never have to go for zero or a hundred though right that's one thing like when i dabbled in
myriad the first time when they when like the full season of farming was going on an abstract and
shit and i just like i like the boys at the morning show so i wanted to try it out and shit
but when i when i gambled on it i was just like jumping into a position and then jumping out when it goes up
20 30 like i don't need to close at 100 you know so then it becomes more like where do you think
the attention is going to go what do you think people are going to assume what's the news going
to say and they become like perps all of a sudden, you know? Yeah, you could test the waters and stuff like that.
I think a lot of people likely test the waters,
but I don't think anybody would come in there with real size
and try and swim around in there.
I think when you look at things like that,
again, prediction markets are highly,
especially on some of these platforms with low lick,
it'd be very easy to manipulate those
because they have no liquidity.
That's the problem.
But you manipulate it with no liquidity.
What are you making?
You know, like I think that's why they're bringing it.
There's a lot of poor people trying to get 1 to 10 to 20K.
So you're going to get a lot of poor people trying to out-trade each other.
And I don't mean that in any like disrespectful way.
I'm dead serious though.
It happens a lot.
You see it in the trenches with low lit coins.
There's consistently people trying to rub people for like a 20K liquidity move.
I think there's also a lot of tech still to unfold on it.
Like I remember when the guy was here yesterday and he was talking about like the potential of streaming and prediction markets.
But also if you remember that market that launched on Blast and for a while
it was like all the rage because you were earning native yield on your USDP while it was in the
prediction. So like you can leave it in there on something that's a super easy bet or a long shot,
but it's not going to settle for like a year and just earn your 5% and farm.
Like, I think there's a lot still to be debuted on these prediction markets that we're just not even thinking about.
I'm going to have a little bit for that.
Nobody's talking about the World Cup, which is a really big deal.
We're talking about billions of dollars coming to the United States from around the countries, around the world. It's a huge deal. All the stadiums, the major stadiums in the United
States, we're talking about AT&T Stadium, MetLife, SoFi, all of them are going to host huge games
from around the world. And the gambling companies are spending the money to have the regulations
loosen up in the United States to be able to take advantage of the massive influx of money. and it's 11 months away. I think it's something you guys might trip out on if you
just go over the research on it. It's a huge deal coming. There's also going to be a launch pad of
sorts eventually, right? Like right now we're kind of at the whim of what they decide to launch,
but eventually someone's going to pump fun it and they're going to let DGENs launch their own.
And it's going to be like, but that's what I'm what i'm saying like the i mean you hit it on the head there will is like it is it is
essentially just another gambling platform that's what it is it's not it's not a trading platform
like traders like to trade volume but it's it's literally gambling and i think like if you're
saying that gambling and trading are you know even, even remotely the same, they're just, in my opinion, they're not.
I think trading is trading off of what you can see, whereas like gambling is, you know, taking a shot at something that you don't really know what's going on.
And PumpFun is a great example of that, right?
It's a great example of not knowing what's actually going on on the back end you know taking shots and missing a lot and then maybe hitting one or two trading used to be that
way but there's a lot of manipulation behind it now and one of the things that people like globally
from sports is it's a finite number that you can kind of know at least there's truth behind it a
lot of manipulation nowadays that we just don't have control or understand what's being pumped
and dumped on the bigger financial moves of these huge institutions which can basically manipulate the way the money goes and sports
eliminates that and there's i mean there's two you could see in the chart you can see in the chart
when when manipulation is occurring i i think so at least i i haven't had a problem trading markets
you know for like the past 10 years i've done fairly well since the low even on bitcoin
i i don't think that they're as unpredictable as people think they are i think they're just
unpredictable to some people and those individuals that it's probably unpredictable too they think
gambling is a better route to go a lot of it's the tools though right like if i'm trading perps
and i can't see where the liquidations are i'm'm probably going to get fucked. If I'm trading a pump fund coin on my Telegram bot, I don't have a list of tracked wallets
there.
But if I'm on my Photon, I've got 90 tracked wallets.
So I know who's in, who's out, when, why, who's on alt, who might buy from their main.
And I feel like that's the edge that makes it
trading not gambling so prediction markets kind of work the same way right you either
have access to information you are more in tune with tech in a space or with the celebs or
with like you know pop culture so you might understand when some of this happens and when it doesn't. And sometimes you're gambling, but I feel like a lot of it is, is trading. If you have the
knowledge and are willing to, I think, I think, I think, I think what we're utilizing here,
that was a little bit of a different conversation. Cause like what you just described to me is copy
trading, right? You're, you're playing off of other people and knowing who's in and who's
out that's copy trading trading relies on you solely to look at the chart and evaluate what's
actually going on like does that make sense is that fair i don't think so like copy trading for
me would be this person jumped in i am jumping in this person jumped out I am jumping out and then
they're probably rinsing you on an alt you know or like that's that's copy
trading to me but if you're looking at a chart and you're saying though the top
holders that came in early have this much in their soul wallets they hold
this much of this token oh a troll way about how much do they have inside
wallets yeah a hundred percent but you're a lot more
informed than without it and but copy trading is just like oh i'm following every trade this guy
does i'm clicking the lightning buy because he makes good decisions not like what group i i i
think i think the conversation around copy trading is a little more deep than what a lot of people
think i know tons of coins that get rugged with KOL still having their full bag in it.
And do I think that they never sold a token?
Hell no.
I think they had side wallets in a lot of cases.
And they sold those side wallets and let their originals to keep other people from wanting to sell.
Right?
Because if they don't sell their main wallet that's visible to you, it looks like they lost with you in a lot of cases.
There's a lot of manipulation that goes on with that and i i think like that is the true manipulation if
you're playing the manipulation game that can be played on blockchain it can be played a lot on
blockchain um then in that case you're gambling and if you're if you're not playing the manipulation
game and you're playing you know what does the rsi look like what does the stochastic look like what does volume look like okay this setup looks good but what does
the trim look like and you're playing off what you see then you're playing more of the trading game
is that yeah and i maybe 100 i just think the amount of people that are able to create
a non-traceable wallet that cannot be connected to another one is like one percent
of even the great traders like ain't nobody walking over ain't nobody using tornado ain't
nobody walking over to a fucking bitcoin you don't think these top kols know how to do that
i think one percent of traders will know how to do that i think all the top kols know how to do that how to create like an untraceable wallet zach xvt
would disagree not no no no not so i'll give you an example of how you can do it okay i'll give you
an example and it's really easy this is a really easy one you can literally just sit there and you
can send the one wallet sell out some of your position and or send some of your position
to a cex which is a black box right you can't see in you can't see out unless you're on
the back end and then from that cex you send to a fresh wallet or you could tornado cash spin your
money and then spin it into a new wallet and then buy the token on the other end too there's a lot
of ways you can do it yeah but a lot of tokens you can't send to sexes right they just won't
you know what i mean so what you do is you you buy on the wallet that's
visible and then you send from a sex to a new wallet yeah and nobody knows about and you buy
more on that wall and i agree that it's possible i just think the amount of people that know how
to do that and bypass like real bubble maps or the tech out there to track it is just like a lot
bubble maps doesn't can't track that the only thing bubble maps can track tech out there to track it is just like a lot bubble maps doesn't can't
track that the only thing bubble maps can track and i'll tell you guys here since we're all here
is they can only track if you take tokens from one wallet send to another wallet that's how it
attaches them it that's the only way they attach it based on previous transactions as well though
right so you can you have to interact if the wallet you have to interact yeah they they didn't traces it but as long as you don't interact it's fine yeah like at any time
ever you have to have not interacted so that's yeah it's really really tough like you're talking
about the biggest traders and the owners of sexes unable to separate their wallets completely due
to people tracking it well
because tornado cash has to have a lot of volume going through it for you not to be able to line
up deposits and like withdrawals right it has to have a lot of volume they'll hold they'll hold
your they'll hold your money until they get enough so like if you put in and they don't have enough
to spit out you just have to sit
but if you send an eath they're not sending you 0.1 at a time over the course of a day they're
sending you an eath so unless there's like 10 000 transactions going through it on any given day
it's very easy to line up the amount deposited and the amount withdrawn minus the fees
what what if what if they send them
what they took from the coin and then they sent in you know another 10 000 each on top of oh there's
ways yeah yeah i don't i don't doubt that there's ways i don't doubt that there's a lot of these
people i think i have their side wallets and they probably have 10 others i don't doubt that it's
possible for someone to rinse me that way i'm just saying that copy trading as a simple term is like,
there's no skill to copy trading, right?
It's like, okay, this person bought, I'm going to do this.
This person sold, I'm going to do this.
Whereas like wallet tracking is different.
You don't copy trade wallets you track.
You like use it to see what coins should be seen.
You use it to see something that launched that you need to see.
You use it to understand who's playing it. Are they playing it alone? Are they playing it with
a group? Use it to see if the larger holders are in already, if they're in small, if they're in
big, if they doubled up, what did they do on a dip? And you're right, it's not 100% accurate,
but it is the difference, in my opinion, between gambling on a coin
and trading on a coin. Like, gambling is
I saw a call in my TG,
I clicked the buy button on my
bot while I'm
driving in the car, and I'm just
going to check it in the next couple of minutes and see what
happened, or set a sell order and
a stop loss right away.
But, like, if I'm on phone
and I'm mapping shit out,
it still feels like there's a degree of due diligence, you know?
Yeah, I would say just, and I'll say this last part,
and I hope you know, like, I'm not trying to argue, like, the point.
I'm just giving my perspective, right?
I actually like talking to you about shit, because I feel like...
Two years later, you guys. Two years later.
Hunt's only been talking to this man for two years
and just now shot him a follow.
I thought I was a hard follow.
He's a toughie, bro.
He's a fucking toughie.
You know, I shot him a follow.
I get a turn off sometimes.
I get it.
Sometimes I play hardball a little bit with the questions.
So I understand.
I'm not going to be everybody's cup of tea at first.
Sometimes it takes a little warming up i think i like black coffee no i used to follow you and i think like a year or two years ago you were saying something about azuki and i
was just like fuck and my bag bias kicked in and i unfollowed you i think something like that
happened because i'm trying to remember like there's no way i never followed
you welcome to web 3 exposed where you're the truth shall set you free the truth shall set you
free sorry g i'm sorry i'm sorry go ahead i like how he really said i think that's what happened
even though he's been thinking about that for two years i got muted and mev'd in the same time. Hi, G. Welcome to the stage.
This is the best ratio in the space.
The best ratio in this.
Of course, that's all you heard, William.
Of course, that's all you fucking heard is sandwich.
He had a better analogy than I did.
I had mine was more R-rated.
It is after 8 o'clock.
We could throw, you know, it's not corporate hour anymore.
How are you feeling, G? How's your bags over there today?
You know, bleeding out a little bit, but that's okay. I have an optimistic outlook. I missed Will's take today. having the same conversation that hunts and will just had with someone on the phone and like about these like side you know they buy from one wallet and they're really selling off these
side wallets because you you can public wallets what they want you to see right exactly um because
i was like the cells don't make sense like why are you clipping out 10%, 20%? And like, you're essentially at a loss at that point.
And so you have a point when it says like the psychology of it is like to think that
they're down too.
But no, I figured that out like a couple of times.
I was like, oh, this doesn't make sense.
But I will say I agree with hunts.
Like, I think copy trading is just like blindly aping into stuff.
But I think wallet tracking, there's like a psychology behind it.
You learn the behavior of how wallets move together
or like what, it's its own language in a sense.
And so if you're able to hone in on those skills,
I think it's profitable.
And then like, you'll be able to learn,
okay, is this a trade?
Or is this like an actual, like, long term play, like, you know, based on how much and what
the movements are, and if this wallet in this wallet move together, what that means? I mean,
it's a whole thing, you really have to spend a lot of time. And it's one that I like really love because my brain naturally like gravitates towards puzzles
and I like solving them and I like putting things together so if you have a natural ability for it
like you thrive in that space but if you don't then you get someone like hunts in your group and
he'll probably break that shit down for you so like I agree with him in that sense like copy trading is different than wallet tracking
now what will now what i was just i was just saying like if you're following people in general
like i was just i guess but hey i i guess there there's an art to understanding right but
ultimately i always look at it like this.
I never think anybody is more dumb than I am, right?
And I guess that's a compliment to all the scammers.
I can show you that.
So in this scenario, I take it as like what they're showing me is what they want me to see.
And if they want me to see something, they're trying to bait and switch me.
And so I try to avoid the bait and
switch although it can tell you what to avoid i think in that scenario it's good to kind of watch
somebody's wallets because they can like oh this guy's in there nah i'm good but in in other
scenarios too like a lot of these guys are trapping people by simply put oh here's my wallet publicly
look at all this money I have.
But all that money they have is money that they schemed off of different projects.
And I know like, look, I'm not going to expose the whole space, but I know a lot of callers
that, and almost everyone I know, every single caller, they usually ask for like 1% of the
project or better.
And when you start hitting high market caps, that's a lot of money.
That's a lot of money.
So you got to always say, and some of those colors are bad.
Some colors are good.
And some of those colors will straight dump on your entire chart.
And so it's, you just got to know who you're lining up with.
So, you know, I think like wallets again, are,, again, are what they want you to see is out there.
And I know some KOLs too that are really smart,
and they spit up new wallets a month ahead of a launch, right,
just to make the wallet not look new so it doesn't show up on BubbleMatch as a new wallet.
They'll do a few transactions here and there, like 5, 10, 20 transactions
to try and make it look like it's been used.
Then they'll let it set dead for a little bit and then they'll utilize it on the
next move. And a lot of people, I'm just, I'm revealing the dark side of things here because
I want people to understand what goes on on the backend. It's a tricky space. It's a tricky space
and you got to collectively, I would say this, collectively find people that you can hover around
that are not serial ruggers or, you know, people that are trying to do that, that are trying to ensure that the people that you have following you and the people you have around you are making money.
Because I don't operate against anybody.
And sometimes, sometimes later on they become ruggers, right?
right but if if i find out they're a rugger it's it i'm i'm done talking to them and sometimes i've
But if I find out they're a ruggers, it's it.
I'm done talking to them.
had a couple scenarios where i had to freaking pump the chart to not absolutely blow people out
and it cost me a lot of money to do that and i'm not trying to end up in those situations anymore
i'm just trying to operate around people that i know and so for me i just avoid wallets altogether
and i just stick to you know the people i know and the charts that i know we don't deserve you will and also i hope nobody heard that thinking i'm gonna get this guy let me
get this guy my fnf chad and he's not a dumb ass all right he's not a fucking not at all uh back to
g and then hunt go ahead real quick um real fast real fast. The Claw giveaway winners.
I'm going to tag you below.
Congratulations.
You guys are following the rules.
It's fucking awesome to see.
Oh, my goodness.
Anyway, go ahead.
Go ahead, G.
So I had a thought.
I forgot it.
I had a thought again and then forgot it again.
Post the joint.
Post the joint.
Maybe you'll remember.
Maybe you'll remember.
All right, Hunt.
Go ahead while she posts the joint. I'm'll remember. Maybe you'll remember. All right, Hunt, go ahead, Washi.
Post a joint.
I'm fucking dead.
Okay.
Pop, pop, pop.
You know, Will, just to change the topic a little bit,
I've been looking at the thesis for, like,
the new ETH Foundation leadership and what they're thinking
and, like, obviously building up the L1 and pushing fucking blobs
and, like, having an ecosystem where they're earning
revenue off these L2s. And that pushed me to start looking at the specialized L2s.
And I'm like trying to form a thesis around shape being an NFT chain. The leadership is dope.
I like what they did. I like the people they onboarded i like their socials
and i think when nft season comes there might be some shit there um have you ever traded on shape
like did you trade the fucking meme coins did you collect the art on shape do you give a fuck
uh do you even like look at l2s what's your take i have not been looking at l2s at all i'll just be real right
like i i know the ones that i know but i look at these cycles cyclically which means like
trickle down effect so i try to roll with the rotation and then i start looking at things as
they become hot so not not like as they start heating up but a little bit ahead of time so
right now i think it's the world of l1s and then I think that will shift to L2s once you get enough volume and liquidity flow.
There's no point in me entertaining... I'm just telling you my thought process.
In my head, there's no point in me entertaining L2s until the narrative starts to move that direction.
I think for now, until until eth breaks all-time high
it's not really worth entertaining for me but like once eth breaks all-time high then i'll
look for the rotation and i'll try to look at these different chains and see there's value there
because the thing is is like until eth breaks all-time high and solana breaks all-time high
these other l1s break all-time high and in my perspective everything else can bleed against
them when it comes to l2s so it means polygon will continue to just do nothing or go lower
um and other other l2s can also continue to do nothing or go lower so but for
But for instance, I don't have a token.
don't have a token there's nothing to bleed yet
There's nothing to bleed yet.
Yeah, what I mean by that specifically is not necessarily the token,
but the platform volume, right?
So whatever's on there will likely suffer too.
So if there's things building on top of that L2,
all those things will kind of have a hard time surviving.
So that's kind of the way I look at it.
So like if there's nothing on there for me to bid,
like even if they don't have a token,
and I think everything else on there will bleed against,
you know, these L1s until L2s start to become the shift narrative.
Then in that scenario, I would just avoid it until,
you know, I think the liquidity is going to start moving that direction.
So form of thesis, it's good. Don't jump into anything until all season looks like it's about
to heat up. Yeah. Yeah. Essentially that's, that's the way I would take it. Yeah. Correct.
I remembered again. Oh, go ahead. I was like, it's going to, I thought it was gone forever.
I was like, damn it.
Now it's going to be like, I'm going to think about it tomorrow at lunchtime and be like,
fuck, that was my point.
So I sometimes track wallets to avoid people too.
Like avoid like bidding the chart when they're in it and then getting in when they exit.
So that's, that's another strategy that I use.
That's all.
Gotcha.
Yeah, I would say there's definitely a couple people I avoid getting in charts with.
Cupsie being one of those.
If he's in a chart, I'm going to let him dump before I ever even try and touch that shit.
I didn't want to fud anyone, but yeah.
Bro,
I mean, oh my god, we were in
a token like a week ago.
These two French girls streaming on
PumpFun, and it was actually getting a little attention.
And then,
fucking, oh my god, I forget the
name of the motherfucker, but
fuck, there was like a big ass
What, Gooner coin, buddy? What are you doing? No, there was like a big ass trader that that was just kept buying
and buying and buying and buying and then he said he was gonna pay dex and he ended up with like
seven percent and everyone just held and kept buying it because he kept bidding it like bid
bid bid bid bid and everyone was like going off about it and then he literally dumped six percent one
clip after like 30 seconds after saying i'm gonna pay the decks as soon as i'm done eating
there you go bro it was fucking hilarious like no some of the shit that happens in the trenches is
wild man when you start understanding who's making the moves because you got wallets and shit
it's fucking hilarious bro i i watch guys that sit there and they'll hold a bunch you got wallets and shit it's fucking hilarious bro i watch guys that sit
there and they'll hold a bunch of side wallets they won't hold like 9 10 20 they'll just separate
them all into different wallets and it'll it'll be a fresh coin right and they'll let you keep
edging to bonding right every time and then they'll sell into your edge in the bonding
and then you'll edge in the bonding you'll edge in the bonding edge in the bonding and then they'll sell into your edge in the bonding and then you'll edge in the bonding you'll edge in the bonding and then so they'll just keep selling into you
and then once they get to the point where they're almost
out of tokens they'll just dump the chart
it's atypical
that's why
trenching is a fucking joke
literal joke because of that
okay in some twisted way
I kind of admire Cup C
because he's like the definition of do not
marry your bags he's just in and out of shit like he's pretty clear on like how he trades
and do you do you think cup c doesn't launch any of those coins that he pulls up on stream
hey i i don't watch the streams i didn't even know he had streams. I'm just throwing that out there. I'm just throwing that out there.
I think that he's a sick-ass trader,
but he's also a trader that you don't want to be in the chart with.
I don't think he's a trader.
Traders derive off of charts.
Traders don't derive off of buying fresh launches
and assuming they're going to go up.
I think this type of thing
has been happening
for a while.
The thing is, we just have social media now
and it's normalized to
do this.
Guys, Will's unk
and he doesn't understand. This is how Gen Z
moves these days. It is what it is.
It's just the nature of the world.
You don't have to Z? If you guys
want me to go
in the trenches and start launching coins
and pretending I just found them and then
buying them up and then dumping on your
head the second it gets up to a certain
market cap, I mean
if that's how Gen Z is moving,
it's not hard to do.
If I was in it first
and then I'll sell when I know who does it, it's not hard to do. If Tupsy's in a coin is if I was in it first.
And then I'll sell when I know. He's in at like 7k and then, you know, buys in 10 soul and then triggers volume bots.
Why?
Why?
No, no.
He's not triggering any volume bots on fucking Pump Fun.
There ain't no volume bots on Pump Fun.
Someone's going to clip this and make a fucking side by side Of all the volume bots
There ain't no volume bots
On PumpFun
There's no volume bots before bonding
Yo if Will launches a token
I'm fucking buying it man
That's all I know
What's the CA Will
I will fucking
We'll do a pre-sale
I definitely got pinged at 40k.
And then you see like
Cupsies in like 12 so deep.
Yeah.
Do you think people are jumping on there and doing
12, 10 so buys
because they're just bullish on some shit coin
they just found in the trenches?
No, I mean, I've learned.
I've learned. I've really learned.
I just watch him buy and then I watch him sell.
Yeah.
I mean, it's not hard to do when you control the supply.
I'm just telling you the RR chance is not, it's not there.
Go in there and try and repeat what he does with 0.1 soul.
Take 100 soul in there.
Go in there and try and repeat what he does with 0.1 soul and tell me how in there, go in there and try and repeat what he does
with 0.1 soul and tell me how many soul you come out
of the trenches with. You get wrecked.
Yeah.
RR he has is
not mathematically possible.
Are you buying memes on abstract?
No, but I've heard they're good over there.
Very different on abstract bro slow pace
very easy to see what wallet's actually doing what like shit will start to run and it's still 100
250 holders wallets a lot of the times are public because people are collecting the
xp over there when they're trading um so it's very easy to like see who's holding
what they're holding you probably have them in group chats already it's um very different vibe
there's probably like legit only 500 people um and somehow they're running the shit up
yeah i mean people might in the audience might think i'm like being a hater or whatever. Like I'm just, I'm more of a realist, right?
Like you do the numbers.
If it were possible to do what he does on a daily basis and pull thousands,
hundreds of thousand dollars out of the trenches,
do you not think everybody would be winning in the trenches?
A lot of times though, when it comes to these like popular people,
like if you look at someone like, like Geeky or someone like Cupsie or someone
like Lexapro or like even Marcel. don't get me started on lexapro don't get me started
throw 12 soul into a chart that's like 100k right or 200k and then another four soul right away
and all your copy traders come in and they boost the chart. It's very easy to sell, reclaim your entry, and then either ride the rest or just dump the whole thing and be up, you know, 10 soul or six soul.
Right.
And when you're watching like the wallets you track, a lot of the wallets I see do this rip like literally every 10 minutes for three hours a day where they dump their money into the chart
people follow them people follow like the volume because there aren't volume bots but people are
watching on decks and they see what's getting 30 second volume and like and shit like that and
they'll just bit it straight off the decks they won't even look at the coin they'll just try to
jump in on the volume and jump out quick and they rinse them for five to six soul every like 10 minutes sometimes so it's it's not like you necessarily have to not
and i think they i think a lot of them do but it's not that you have to launch a coin necessarily to
do it if you move with size on low caps you can just make money right away and duck the fuck out
you you you hit the nail on the head it's either
one or the other right it's either one or the other but you hit the nail on the head that's
that's specifically what i'm talking about so you either have copy traders who lose a lot of money
to you and sometimes win right or you have or you're or you actually own the chart that's the
only way you get good rr in the trenches. If you're trenching without one of those
two advantages, you are upside down on your risk to reward. It's just not worth it. You have to
have one of those two advantages. And I'm not saying that Cupsi owns every coin that he or
probably launched every coin that he's put on stream. Some of it may be just copy traders following right and the funny part is is when you're
streaming what you're buying which he does what what are you what are you trying to insinuate
even though you put in a stream do not buy what i'm buying this is not fa blah blah blah
you're you're you're literally inviting people to lose their money because what you're doing
especially when you come in with size because then people think it's safe
how do they know it's safe how do they know that they didn't just throw tin soul into
something that's going to rug them but how often do you see them get rugged live on stream i've
watched them i've watched them live i've never seen them really get rugged live on stream ever
so how do you avoid all the rugs that's what i would ask people it's just
mathematically impossible to avoid all the bugs i would think at some point you're going to throw
tinsel into a chart and you're going to get rugged even as cupsy even as these other bigger players
i think these people exist and you can play alongside them or you don't have to you could
still win i don't know thank you but profits it goes back to the question though is that trading
oh no it's not of course it's not uh copy trading isn't trading having wallets that you track be
part of your due diligence and discovery process is trading i'm not talking about that i'm talking
about copy trading and i'm talking about launching oh yeah that's scamming well copy trading is like
getting milked or um i don't even know what the right word for it is like it's not posing
i think it's trying to take the easy route right it's like that guy that stands back while everyone
does all the work and tries to collect a paycheck but launching is just rugging like straight that's
just scamming i don't care about this new meta not giving a fuck about shit if you launch something with the intent to siphon funds and leave it alone, you're a fucking grifter.
Yeah, those are the two things I'm talking about versus actual trading is just launching and in addition to that copy trading.
I'm not saying like using wallets to do whatever.
I'm not saying like using wallets to do whatever.
I think using wallets to do whatever is fine.
I think using wallets to do whatever is fine.
But I think like if you are genuinely copying,
trading people like buying based on their buys
and then in addition to that,
buying into something they launched,
then yeah, no scenarios.
You're kind of asking for the pain.
Yeah, you have no advantage at that point.
The only person who has the advantage
is the person that you were copy trading
or the person who launched the project.
You think we'll ever have like another
bone or like
another Trump? You think there'll be
something like... Yeah, I hope so and I hope I get
the ECA this time.
Ahead of time?
She's lost for it right now.
Oh, man. Melania 2.0
we're gonna go back to G real quick
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exposed nation thank you
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Gery go ahead
I will say
I did make so I did
copy trade before and I made money off of it so i don't
want to discount that copy trading isn't profitable everybody's as smart as you
huh everybody's as smart as you but no you have to like watch right so the person that i copy
traded for example is frank d god's like i made money off of him. I don't want to discredit copy-trading as an F,
but you've got to be careful
and set really...
What is it called?
Stop losses.
Okay, let me ask you a question.
Would you ever, ever
copy-trade Cupsie?
There's a pause only because i've seen him early on shit that really sent but it would have to be after a lot of research and i wouldn't copy trade him like right after no i'd wait till he gets out
of the chart but also research what the hell it is okay so you'd wait till he gets out of the chart but also research what the hell it is okay so you'd wait till he
gets out of the chart and you'd research what it is so in that case you wouldn't be copy trading
no i guess not but i've seen him early on a lot of shit that ran hard i mean don't get me wrong
sometimes these things it's better to keep the chart moving.
And you got to keep in mind, too, like he may have bought with his main wallet,
but he may not be out of the chart in the way you think he is, right?
Like he could still be in that chart that's running up.
And there's LARPing that he's out of the chart.
And that's the hard part to really
kind of guess. That's why I typically avoid things that he gets into, even if they can send,
like sometimes it's just better to sit back and ignore shit that, you know, has a high chance of
rugging you versus not rugging you. Then it does, you know, to try and take your chance with it.
Again, it just, you know, for me, it just comes down to risk and reward because i bring that up a lot but you know if the reward is there then the risk is worth
taking if the reward is not in your favor then the risk is not worth taking and i think and yeah
i've talked about custody specifically a lot because i've watched just absolutely annihilate
projects time and time again but uh i guess some people can call that a good trader i just
call it somebody who has insight on stuff that's going on that you don't and is playing you know
the copy trading game i'm a crackhead so i don't know i can't be sidelined i'll like have fomo and
then fomo in at the top like i don't want to do that so like okay i'll bid like a small small
amount that i'm okay losing honestly you're pretty well spoken for a crackhead congratulations it's like i don't know if you take
something else maybe you take xanax and get a good night's sleep after but that's that's pretty cool
good job i i used to be that way g i used to be that way i used to be like you know what i'm just gonna take a small bite of this but over time like as i've kind of built out my portfolio i've learned that i'm just
better off sidelining some of these plays and just waiting for the next one to come along than i am
to try and jump in every single play just because it runs i mean here's the thing profits gave me
she's right she gave me far coin at 30 cents I was just like licks too high
I'm not interested because the
RR for me just wasn't there
wait at what market cap
I think like 30 cents or whatever I don't
I don't know what market cap was
she gave it to me at like 30 cents before I just recently ran out
bro we speak in caps
but uh I think it ran to what
120 something like that
he speaks in liquidity
but I'm just talking
the dollar amount of what it was worth 30 cents is 300 million market cap thank you thank you
so 300 mil market cap on the recent run up and i avoid it because licks too high i'm just like
i don't have a good rr on that i usually like liquidity pools sitting around like
two to five hundred k and then you know i try to catch the ones that'll run 100x 200x because
those are still possible from those levels but they're not possible from millions of dollars
in liquidity i'm just like bro nobody's gonna run this up the only coins that have that kind
of effect are like you know the easy coin which is obviously a rug recently and then the trump coin and then you know basically like the the melania coin like
you have very few coins that have that kind of effect that can really push that kind of liquidity
around like these other coins will likely never see that kind of liquidity last question how do
we feel about the yay coin what's the market cap right now will
bro i'd stop tracking it i'm not gonna lie yeah i would yo so that was we don't talk about coins
ever like in excitement or anything we'll talk about the majors or whatever but that i i can't
imagine the people that like host spaces get on spaces daily to show some fucking...
You show five shitters.
That has to be draining.
Hey, though.
I had fun. I had fun.
You feel me? Will, I hope you had
fun also.
I still don't think it's over, but maybe I'm
delusional. I don't know. I can't
imagine how it's been. That was a fun space,
not gonna lie. Yeah, it was fun. That was a fun space, not going to lie.
Yeah, it was fun.
It was fun.
Oh, you're talking about the easy one?
Yeah.
Yeah.
The thing, like, even my own bags.
Like, I don't hop on here daily and tell you guys about my bags.
Like, if somebody asks, I'll tell them.
We should, but we don't.
I usually keep them myself because I'm not,
I'm just trying to give general market sentiment.
That's all I'm trying to do.
I'm not trying to, like, come up here and force you guys into some play that I'm hitting on right now and pump my bags up.
But if people are interested, I'll tell them.
It is what it is.
That's the way I look at this.
I try to come here and treat it like a professional platform.
Maybe a little controversial, but I was actually kind of happy about this easy launch the way it
was done because they were on hyper liquid right away and i don't know if it's because the people
that launched it needed another revenue stream after they saw what happens with every single
one of these tokens they wanted to short it on the way down too. But they gave us all a beautiful opportunity.
The smartest traders I talked to daily opened a short immediately on the token and made a lot of fucking money the whole way down.
And I think that if we have the opportunity to counterplay these as they get launched now,
If we have the opportunity to counterplay these as they get launched now, this might be like the biggest win for any of us that understand what's happening.
Because a lot of people are FOMOing in and we've been here before and we can now short it with our experience in the market.
And it's, it was beautiful.
Like it was only 3x, but it was beautiful. Like, it was only 3X, but it was beautiful. That's a lot of fucking money on the table for anyone that is disenfranchised by, like, the insiders on them
or just fucking absolutely fed up with these kind of launches.
Yeah, the problem is finding the high on these coins when they launch them
because they like to launch them and then pump them to try and liquidate anybody who's trying to take a short.
And then eventually they just kill them, right?
Like the Trump coin took a lot longer.
And then the Yeezy coin, I think, died within hours.
So to get money over on Hype
and then try to get a short on that thing
would have been, it would have been rough, man.
I didn't have any money over there at the time.
Hype shorts are now available on Phantom Mobile. So you can like take perp liquidity you can take perp positions
on phantom um anything that's available on hype is available on phantom
oh nice it's quick it's mobile it's like very easy to enter and exit you don't need to worry
about a fucking vpn like it's uh you don i have to bridge to arbitrum and do all the bullshit it's it's really easy actually to trade it on phantom if phantom ever comes out with an airdrop
um since 2020 fucking two i've been waiting for that shit but if they ever come out with an airdrop
i'm gonna be fucked july 22 i'm gonna be loving i don't i don't think they will bro i don't i
don't think they're ever good remember they tweeted that dollar bill with
the phantom logo on it that fucking dollar and everybody went ham also photon what the
fuck happened to the fucking photon airdrop bro like they have an nft and shit too it's just like
fucking them metamask like os os has been fucking edging the shit out of me
um yeah i need i'd love a little stimmy i'm not gonna lie
it's like kids are going back to school and shit it's you know prime vacation time i'd like some
stimmies right now what happened to the magic eden token i think they actually did well by
their stakers though i'll say that they ended up giving like,
I think five times more staking rewards than they were supposed to.
They did do well by their stakers because their stakers got royally fucked,
right?
If you claimed and push the stake button the same day,
you captured zero fucking upside on that thing.
Sadly,
but yeah,
it did really poorly also mintify mintify was like one that I actually
had some expectations for because they built out the tech to swap tokens do multi-chain blah blah
before magic Eden they were grinding they were a small team they like yeah, they had, they had multi-chain purchases and they had tokens available like ERC 20s.
And they had, they're like Bitcoin.
They had Barra.
They got Barra chain within like one day of launch.
And they, they, they did pretty good compared to like, they had a lot of that tech earlier and they never did the grimy method of XP. They airdrop people keys, and the keys held the rewards,
and you didn't have to...
It wasn't based on daily volume.
It was based on trading habits.
I actually liked what they did,
but I was really disappointed with their TGE.
That's probably the lowest token out of any of these protocols.
It's that 4 mil or some shit. I really feel bad for them. I feel like the team put in of any of these protocols like it's that four mil or some shit i've i
really feel bad for them i feel like the team put in a lot of work i mean magic eden opened at like
five dollars or 68 cents and now it's 68 it pumped to nine dollars that night i don't know i don't
know if you remember i had it in my wallet and like i was driving i sold it yeah i sold it at
eight bucks then i watched it go to nine and i
was like fuck did i just like is this going up forever and then it just kept going down and i
was so happy i fucking got up bro the the thing is i think me and profits were having this
conversation and i and i i think it was like middle middle of the uh the year whatnot and i
was like dude i was like anytime you get an airdrop just dump it like never hold
an airdrop I was like all these things are going
to zero every single airdrop so far
is just zero every single
one every hyper liquid bull is
in the comments right now
and we could
have said every fucking Kaito
bull too but they like
I don't know what's going on right now
with Kaito I haven't kept up to date
i feel i feel bad but that one pumped really well i think i actually regretted hyper so i held my
kaito and i i was happy holding my kaito to like i think two dollars and change when it dropped it
was like 60 or 70 cents he had it pretty good too on launch but then i already
knew where that was heading so i sold that shit immediately are you in hype like you have a
position on hype no i don't i don't have anything on hype man i look i i honestly i'll just be real
like i think the hype protocol some of it is genuine. People like the platform stuff.
But I feel like a lot of the people pumping it are some of the biggest deals in this space.
Yo, do you know there's something that launched on Hyperliquid that, what is it called?
Early Bird or something?
This is a free show.
You're fucking welcome.
I think you can bet on startups. like you can bet if they're gonna do
what like short them yeah you can bet if they're gonna do well or not and that's on hyper liquid
so whatever thesis or not the fact that there is volume and activity there is is cool you know but
at first i'm not gonna lie i was like last, last? Or two? But no, there's some, I think there's some things going on over there.
I don't know, I think there's some volume happening.
The Hyperliquid EVM is very different than the Hyperliquid product.
I think they're like, I think that's where a lot of people are like,
oh, we never use Hyperliquid, nobody ever talks about Hyperliquid,
because the NFTs had a splash for a little bit with Hypeo babies,
and then they kind of didn't.
The Hypeo Collective got a little bit hypeo babies and then they kind of didn't the hypeo collective got a little bit of love and then it kind of faded and the evm is actually not that
good to build on and i'm sorry if anyone's like a bull but just you know from experience it's just
not that good to build on yet but the product itself they faced a lot of backlash they had hiccups they had attacks they had fud they
they were decentralized then they got all their fucking like um then they got all their operators
together and they actually changed the pricing on an oracle to fix an attack like there was
you know in a not very decentralized way like there, there was a lot of issues, but they've done really well.
And they didn't pioneer the buyback model by any means, but they've done it well.
And they never raised no VCs or hold.
You're talking about hype, right?
Yeah, I'm talking about hype as a protocol and a token versus.
Yeah, I like the way that they do things as far as the buybacks
and everything i like all that like i think that helps sustain price i don't think there's anything
wrong with that specifically i just i'm i'm bullish on it while we're in a bull market
but i'm fearful of it when we go into a bear market right because then how are you going
to get that liquidity like you're going to have a
bunch of people trying to chase shorts and what's going to likely happen is either the platform's
going to implode from not being able to pay out all those pays or or it's just going to implode
before anybody even gets out of the positions and like i i can't see a world where it's going to do well in a bear market the payout's going
to be too high as opposed to the uh because you just basically point your finger and short
everything right once you go into a bear it's very likely you're going to hit on most plays
going into a bear but traditionally we haven't seen centralized exchanges shut down payouts
on in bear markets.
Right?
Sometimes they change leverage amounts available, which Hype
also did after that attack. They
lowered some 50% to 20%.
KuCoin stopped payouts?
They closed out positions.
Oh, yeah. Okay.
And they
banned American traders, bro. While. And they banned American Traders, bro.
While we were shorting.
Man, that was the golden days.
I miss KuCoin.
That, I think, is way better
than Hyperliquid.
I think Hyperliquid's going to be the next
Luna of our cycle, personally.
I think with privacy becoming
the next frontier
of cypherpunk and like the thesis,
now that like the government kind of controls your coins, which was the first like frontier,
the next one's going to be privacy.
And having these protocols where you don't have to KYC, but you can take these kinds of positions.
And I'm not saying like obviously you know nothing can
happen because anything can happen but so far people have been safe in taking these kinds of
positions from a non-kyc fully private like fun way it's i'm i don't know i'm a little bullish i i do respect the thesis like
if everything is down only where's the money going to come from i i definitely respect that
funding and like it's just going to be an issue but and especially when they burn a lot of their
treasury right like you look at these guys where then then what right if you don't have a big
enough treasury to cover this shit even though
they do they just increased the the percentage that's going into buybacks from 90 to 99 so like
they're saying they don't even need money anymore and i don't know yeah i mean they're bearish
the the thing is is like kind of like what bob said when when we first saw luna did you ever
think with their bitcoin backing that they
would ever go under every everybody didn't think it would happen agreed everybody sent it to 100
bucks because they didn't think it would happen so yeah definitely agreed is that is that like
i know there's been a lot of talk lately about who's going to be the sam bankman cyclical top
i mean fuck first people thought it was michael saylor's going to impl the sam bankman cyclical top shit i mean fuck first people thought it was
michael saylor's gonna implode the shit and now there's enough like strategy companies like that
that one person might not even though they have a a fuck ton of bitcoin institutions and like
governments are involved now and i don't think that anyone will let that happen but you know
the only way bitcoin falls is if the bond market
falls that's the only way which could happen first yeah i do think that could happen and if
the bond market goes everything's fucked yeah we're gonna fall and collapse at that point i mean i i
don't think we're gonna get 2008 style obviously because we have too much liquidity but we're
gonna definitely get wrecked. It's so bad.
Thank God the SEC has implemented the fucking hyperliquid buyback strategy
on bonds.
Yeah, for now.
For now.
Yo, banger.
Banger.
Hunt took his meds today.
I like when Hunt is activated.
Set your reminders for tomorrow's space, ladies and gentlemen.
Last day of the week for us, last show of the week.
Got a lot of special guests pulling up. Really big, big show. I can't wait. It's going to be good.
Ethereum Foundation will be here. A couple of other cool guests will be here.
G, I saw you hopped in a little late. You want to add real fast before I close out?
I showed up pretty late, so I don't really have much.
Always show up at the end, man.
Always show up at the end.
Sometimes it feels like a conspiracy.
Like, I show up, and then it's like, all right, and that's the space.
Everyone go home.
No, no.
Yeah, thank you for coming through. anything before uh we end the space no i just i hope i wasn't too literal and too uh too abrasive there but uh i just try to keep
things as real as possible with everybody so i hope everybody enjoyed the show and the number
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