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Presently Present with Mama & Papa #247 🧸🐝💚
Recorded: May 21, 2025 Duration: 1:56:31Space Recording
Short Summary
In a lively discussion, participants explored the intersection of humor, technology, and personal growth within the crypto space, highlighting trends in community engagement, the importance of diverse perspectives, and the critical role of innovation in shaping the future of blockchain.
Full Transcription
Thank you. I've been here with your daily space of the day.
What's the joke?
You have to go to my video for that.
You can't read it to me.
You already read it.
Well, I
didn't get to hear it.
You didn't
hear the joke? No, because
I was in a space and I'm having a hard
time with my... um, yeah.
Just tell it to me, babe. Okay. Well, it was actually because it was Wednesday.
It was actually double. You got the double. Okay.
So the first one, you ready? Yes. Do you write these down?
You ready?
Yes.
Do you write these down?
Sometimes.
Okay.
I mean, but, yeah.
How did the bee get to class every day?
It flew.
On the school buzz.
Okay, I like that. On the school buzz. Okay, I like that.
On the school buzz.
Buzz, not bus.
I said buzzer.
Buzz.
Buzzer.
Okay.
And then the second one was, why was the bee's hair sticky?
From pollen.
No, because he used a honeycomb
nice
i like that that's cute
can you imagine how cute it would be if a little bee had a butt a little comb
oh my god stop who would want to have that as a actually as a job
where you take fat little honeybees and you just go comb out the out their hair like that's how
you actually like beekeepers they they actually uh you know oh my god they collected the bee
babe i could be a bee upkeeper. A bee upkeeper?
Yeah, because you do the upkeep of the bees.
Oh, that's what they could be, yeah.
Yeah, see, I just was punny.
How's your day, baby?
It's going okay.
Just a day? Yeah, I'm trying to figure stuff out of work it's
it's all right are you trying to find a bug no no i'm trying to uh to figure out some stuff i've
haven't bothered to do before so it's always fun when you, when you try to like, you know, I, I don't know, like, I think in,
in my line of work, especially when probably everywhere has this, but there there's things
where you, you're like, I've, I've never done that before. I mean, I can, I'm sure I can figure
it out, whether it be researching or now we have AI to, you know, to kind of chat with
and get answers a little more quickly.
But, yeah, just like, I wonder how that would work.
You just figure it out, you know.
That's just how life is.
Yeah.
So it's kind of like we just become masters of figuring out things
that we've never done before.
Right.
So do you think that AI is going to be helpful in getting you to think about things in a different way?
What do you mean in a different way?
Like you just said, maybe it's something you've never done or you've
never tried so is that what ai is going to do it's going to evoke these different
options and ways to do things that maybe we weren't taught well either that or like because they have a lot of
sources that it
learns and trains from, right?
Having
more like, oh, this is
more
standard or this
might be a better approach
or whatever, you know?
One thing you do need to be a better approach or whatever, you know? Mm-hmm. I see.
One thing you do need to be careful with is because it's training on,
on data that may or may not be correct in the first place.
but that's kind of like everything.
Yeah.
Yeah. Cause it cracks me up because we tend to reach for google or chat gpt or grok but the reality is is it only knows what it's been told and the
information that's out there is given by somebody else so what constitutes somebody being an expert or knowing that situation in the first place?
Well, you just described as humanity itself, isn't it?
So we had the same problem with ourselves.
In what way?
Well, just like we only know stuff that we've been told.
Right?
Doesn't mean it's right.
That's true.
That's so fucking true. Right? Doesn't mean it's right. That's true. That's so fucking true.
Right?
Damn.
And then we just go look shit up and we assume that what we're being told is right when how do you even know what's right?
Yeah.
And what makes right anyway?
Because we all have different experiences.
Well, hmm. You know what I mean like you
and I we can give an example right now and I already know you'll know who I'm talking about
as soon as I say this because I'm sending you this message telepathically um so there's a person
that you and I have both engaged with um in the space and I absolutely have no interest,
right? And you, that person doesn't bother you. You're like, huh, maybe a little bit of a dick,
but it doesn't bother me either way. But you'll have no problem interacting with this person.
Me, I'm like, fuck, no, ain't happening, no way. Not going in the DMs, protecting my energy, right?
So which one is right?
Because it's a different perception of the engagement that we've had with the same person.
Is that more of like a personality difference? Or is that like a personality difference or is that like um i think it can also be a triggering thing right
and you know that's that's my perception but it doesn't matter if it's just a a triggering thing
or not we all come from a base we all have a different personality and maybe something that
somebody does bothers somebody more than it does somebody else because your background is different than my background.
You know?
And me, I'm like, I'm fucking adamant.
Like, I don't have any wiggle room until you convince me otherwise and then I get pissed that I even decided to go back.
I don't know.
What do you think about that?
You think it's just like a personality.
Issue.
But who's right.
Or there's a difference as well.
Between opinions and facts.
Right.
Okay.
But.
How can you determine.
What my experience with that person.
Is a fact or an opinion.
See. I can do this all day, bro.
Maybe I should have been a lawyer.
I mean, seriously though, think about that.
It's a little mind boggling, isn't it?
Like, okay.
I guess it really depends.
Like, for example, the person is wearing a polo shirt.
Okay.
Okay.
That's one thing.
That would be more of a fact.
I mean, I guess, unless you have a debate on whether or not what constitutes a polo shirt.
Oh, and you're always going to have people like that.
Like, oh, well, you know.
Well, it's actually just a short-sleeved, colored shirt.
Polo shirts, you know, have a different material.
I mean, that's always how it's going to be.
Details, details, details.
And again, perception.
But what is an actual fact and what's the reality? How do you know what is true and what's not? Because it's all off of our own perceptions. Or engagement with, whether it's a person or a project, whatever, it's all our own perception. It's what we take from the situation, which is based off of our own foundation.
Yeah.
Maybe that's where, like, especially when you're dealing with other people involved, right?
Or you kind of have to take everything with a grain of salt and eventually just kind of make your own opinion, I guess.
But then is my opinion right?
It may or may not.
But who fucking determines if my opinion's right or not?
That's a good question.
You don't know?
Let's put this up for discussion
with everyone
here. Okay. Granted,
they may not be right either, but
you never know.
Either no more or less
right than me, I suppose.
That's amazing, babe.
Joe Mama, do you have an opinion about this
yep he's our strong he's our strong silent type yeah what's up joe mama god damn it my shit was
on the thing um well i don't have an opinion it, but there's always three sides to a story.
You're saying stories are triangles?
Fuck.
Yep.
Whoa.
God.
Are we always in a triangle?
What the fuck?
For real, what's going on with this conversation?
Dude, I'm just talking.
This is how I talk.
Sometimes I just get in these conversations, Jed.
It's all good.
I was just like super focused on a tweet to Gary or V or whatever that I like based out from what people were talking about.
based out from what people were talking about. And I came back to like, we are in a triangle.
And I came back to like, we are in a triangle.
We were talking about, um, what is, what is the truth? If, if, so Papa was saying that he was
working on something at work. Um, he said that it's not, basically he was saying that he had
never tried this new way of doing things.
And I was asking, I said, well, how do you know?
Or I was asking actually like, how does AI, does he foresee AI teaching him or teaching
us how to look at things in a different way or how to learn something in a different way?
Right.
And then I was saying how tripped out it is that we can go on the internet and Google something and we take that as an answer.
But what is right?
And then we were talking about perceptions.
So, and then Joe Mama said, there's always three sides to a story.
Is that what he said?
Three sides to a story?
Yeah.
And that's where the triangle came in.
Okay, okay.
I think I caught us up.
Okay, there we go.
Now we're presently present.
Now we're fucking presently present.
I understand this conversation.
So what it's worth.
Okay.
That's interesting.
It is.
You know me. I love to do this kind of things
the truth is what is known okay period you know what i mean like i mean you know like generations
of people like once they you know like world war ii i think or world war one whatever it was uh i forgot i think it might
have been world war one uh where like the last like uh veteran from there from that era passed
away you know and um it's like if you think about if you think about shit like that like
right now we know about it because everybody that is alive knows about it.
You know, that's the truth.
Like, you know how they say like the, like history is written by the victor, you know,
by the victorious or whatever.
Like if enough people from like, for like thousands of years, like, you know what I
mean?
Over a long period of time, you know, die off and new generations come around, you know, like their truth changes. You know what I mean, over a long period of time, you know, die off and new generations come around, know like their truth changes.
You know what I mean?
It's like some people may not know the same things and it could be, you know, I don't know.
Like the truth could be anything to anybody.
Yeah, that's the trip dot part.
But how do you know what's a fact?
Do you know what I mean?
Because it's all fucking perception.
I knew Liquid is up here.
What's up, Liquid?
Hey there.
It's been a while.
I hope everybody's been doing okay.
Yes, it's good to see you.
Good to hear your voice.
Thanks, yeah.
So in this conversation, I guess what comes to my mind is there's an objective reality that everyone agrees upon.
There are things that we all
experience that we all say yes that is a tree outside we all agree that that is a type of tree
we all agree that this is an apple we all you know there's those objective truths that we all agree
upon and then when it comes to you're bringing up your perception and the things that you experience
you're bringing up your perception and the things that you experience and then how you might see that.
At least in my own life, I started to, when I got into meditation,
I started to recognize the things that I was thinking prior that I thought were truths were just assumptions.
And later on in life, things would come up that would show me that I didn't know what i was thinking i didn't know what i was talking about and so it is difficult at times
but at least in my mind i've learned to categorize what i know to be true and what i know to be an
assumption um and then i guess when you're asking like how do you know
you're only gonna i guess some things you're only going to know is if other people can validate or confirm those things for you through their actions or through, I guess, scientific evidence that they can show you, hey, here, here's the evidence.
It's been tested multiple times.
This is the outcome.
You know, does your question go beyond this?
Interesting. No, I like that. I like that for sure. But I just, I think that sometimes
it's difficult because we all have a, we all have our base. I talk about this all the time. We all
have our foundation of the hands we were dealt, the way, the choices that we've made in life to make
us who we are. So my perception of something might be different than Papa's or yours, liquid, or jet,
you know what I mean? Anybody in here, our perceptions can be different, but how is it that
we know that something is an actual fact, you know? And, and that's where I struggle because I think
about like, how can I, I I don't it's honestly
it's mind-fucking because sometimes when I look things up online and you get down these rabbit
holes and you do all this research and you think that you've come to some type of conclusion
unless that is your own lived experience and unless that's something that you've gone
and experienced in your own reality how do you know that that is the actual truth?
And I think that we're going to have a lot more conversations about this as we continue to have AI, you know, involved.
Because it's, I don't know, it just fucks with what is reality. But then that goes
back to the whole thing of what has been reality the whole time. I don't know. It's just, and I had
given that example, Liquid, I don't know if you heard me about, me and Papa, we have very different
perceptions or experiences with a certain person. It can be with a project, a person, whatever.
certain person. It can be with a project, a person, whatever. But whose perception is right?
I guess it's just right for that, you know what I mean? For an individual.
Right. I see what you're saying. You're ultimately getting down to the fundamental foundation
of the experiences in your life that have molded your perspective to see the way that you do.
And because of that, that either aims you in a truer sense or possibly
skews your perception in a sense that allows you to see it in an untrue way. And you're asking,
how do I know whether what I'm seeing is true or not? And I guess my only answer to that is to
break down yourself and ask yourself, why do you think the way you think why did I just automatically
go to that line of thinking when this happened what what caused that because
in so many situations there can be a number of possibilities as to why that
person said what they said or had the tone in the voice the way they did or
maybe something was happening right before they said what they said that
caused them to seem the way they did seem or uh there was another one i just had to but you you get my point though like
that it's it's it's hard to tell sometimes like even this is an example some people have resting
bitch face and people look at them people and're like, why is she so mad?
But you're not.
It's just the way you look and that's just your default.
And so that's where you have to be vigilant enough within your own mind to recognize, I don't actually know that.
That is a pure assumption unless I am shown indefinitely that that is a truth, that they've literally stated
themselves or they've shown through their actions
that they're actually fucking pissed off.
You know?
Right.
Such a hard thing to fucking do sometimes.
It is.
It really is.
It really is.
I deal with that.
So, I mean not-
How do you do it, Papa Bear with Mama Bear?
How do you do it? Because
I stroke
resting bitch face too, Mama Bear.
Wait, do you have the resting
bitch face? We missed it. You cut
out. No, no, no, no.
No, my girl does.
Yeah, dude, that's my situation too man
so for me so it's actually for her it's it's more like resting bitch tone
right oh not not not the face as much no he's totally right i always have a bitch tone
as much no he's totally right i always have a bitch tone but even even though you may and so
so one would be i've i've always had to learn one i guess dial it down but like kind of like
put a little translation in your head so like if you're at a if you if you're registering something at you know like you know if you're if
you know if you're looking at the the the pachometer or something right uh did you say
yes okay um if it registers say like a seven on the pachometer right you're like oh no no no
really that's only a three or a four it's it's
okay right but then oh then if it you know like it's even higher okay then maybe that's what or
the other thing that you do is you kind of if you're sure like you know dude that that's
kind of bitchy or whatever like that or you know if you are you upset are you and let's preface let's
preface right now that right now is the most times i've ever heard you say the word bitch
because you would never say that word to me well i would never tell you that yeah but you've never
even said to me what you're saying or your tone is bitchy correct we've we've said that you've got resting bitch tone
yeah but you don't say that to me in the moment babe you've never that would be a very bad choice
no absolutely not i i value my life more than that but um
so much i uh you know i i'm i i've learned a thing or two over the years, I suppose, but
I, I, um, yeah, that just basically that's, that's how I deal with it. You know,
I think that you go, you fucking know what I was going to say. You go at it at a different way. You're not just like, damn, why are you pissed?
You're just, you try to go about it in a side.
Like, you know, there's the rattlesnake, but you're going to walk to the side and watch the rattlesnake and then go around.
Get a little bit of, you know, feeling at the rattlesnake and then you're going come back around and then you're gonna be like hey
what's going on sweetheart what do you mean what's going on does something seem like it's going on
oh my god you see what i mean we're not winning that's how the fuck do you do it like like i'm a
morning person my girl isn't so we already don't fucking click there when i wake up i'm the happiest
i'm ever ever because So we already don't fucking click there. When I wake up, I'm the happiest I met forever.
Poor CJ.
He's having connections.
Say that again, CJ.
We might have lost him again.
Damn it.
God damn it.
Thank God.
I know. Every time. Can you hear me? My bad. It's because thank god i know every can you hear me my bad is because i'm i'm about to can you hear me yep yep you're good now i'm i'm about to catch a
flight so it's kind of like it's like fucked up right here um what was i gonna say yeah so it's
like i'm a morning person so like i'm grateful that i'm you you know, that I'm, God woke me up. And, like, my girl, she's, like, her face, like, but I've been with her for so long.
And she still tells me, like, aren't you used to me already?
Like, this is my fucking face.
What do you want me to do?
I don't wake up with a smile on my face.
Like, that's just not me.
But stop asking me if I'm mad or angry.
Yeah, I don't think Papa ever asks me if I'm mad or angry.
That's not a good choice.
CJ, you've got to pick different words.
I got to take, I got to take, yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Like, I'm learning from Papa Bear every day.
I learn, like, I've done some things that I've heard him say.
Hey, I'm just letting you know, Papa Bear, man, he's not got a big-ass smile on my face
because I got lucky, like, some of those nights.
And I just, like, tweet.
Nice.
You hear Papa?
Nice.
Are you mad or is anything wrong?
It's just fucking fucking butt.
For some reason.
I don't know why.
You doing okay, honey?
Just like that?
Is everything all right?
Oh my God.
Look at that.
Yeah, he usually, he usually, yeah, he does.
He'll come up to me and be like, is everything all right, sweetheart?
Yep, just like that.
Damn, red level at 100,000.
I'm going to try that.
Dude, I think
I get what you were saying
there, Papa.
I feel like
I have to, in my mind,
just tone back
the sensitivity to it.
You know?
Because if you just act like everything is fine like then there's
a really good chance everything's fine you know um maybe not all the time but whatever i mean take
your l's with your wins right
the the other thing that i noticed that that's um now sometimes this backfires but um sometimes it's
like um finding like if you're not like you teach people how to treat you if you if you try to like
teach them to be direct like oh if maybe they're having an issue and they're just
feeling a little passive aggressive about it.
Take them at their literal word.
And then they'll learn quick.
Oh, well, if I have something to say or I have an issue or whatever, I guess I need to be a little more explicit.
Yes.
But that's funny because I'm the most fucking explicit motherfucker out here like we'll literally be watching a show and i'm like i'm bored i don't want to watch this in the
morning anymore i'm on the phone with somebody and i say i don't want to talk to you anymore
see you later
yeah that's that's good yeah i think that's solid advice papa bear like because if if you ask and
like yeah everything's okay and then they they don't tell you and then later on like why didn't
you know blah blah blah like you this is what you told me you know it it's setting the standard for
honest communication between the two or is it just a gemini thing because my girl's a gemini
it's fucking tough like i don't i can't read her and i'm good at reading people
i'm actually very good i just can't for some reason gemini's uh she's a june she's june 6th
she's a June
she's June 6th
imagine
she's
June 6th
1996
so she's 666
she's crazy
but 6 is actually
666 is a
people are silly about that
because they think it's like demonic.
And me, I don't think so.
I think that's one of the angel numbers.
Me either, yeah.
I just missed her.
Yeah, no, I know.
But you should have Papa do her star chart, and then you should give it to her, and you should do yours so you guys can understand each other differently.
It's a cool thing to do.
Papa's done it with me several times.
I told you, that's how he got me to talk to him oh chanity riz level is out the roof it's like oh my god i gotta it's
crazy i'm taking notes though i take notes trust like you don't know papa bear but i do and i try
some things and it works guys it works like little Little things just a little subtle shit that you do. It's like fuck really this work. Oh, yeah
I'm about to have like 10 kids
Well, I would you know recommend the 10 kids
Unless you're trying to go for like a cheaper by the dozen thing. He wants a lot of kids. I think he wants seven
Yeah, oh seven. Yeah, you know as long as as long as they still fit in the bus you're good
but um you know when you're talking about the i don't know i i'm unless you get like a farm
where you you can put them to work or okay so what would you say is What would you say has been the most
Challenging thing though that you've had to deal with
With me like you gotta give these guys
Some sauce
Well
For you I think it's
We're only talking about me
No other bitches period
I was gonna There's two parts That I was gonna
there was two parts
that I was gonna say about
well actually would probably be the anxiety
just because there are certain
things of anxiety of your past
and whatever
that
I haven't had to deal with
and so
being more patient and more, um,
understanding, um, things that necessarily don't make sense to me. Like that's probably one of the
biggest things that I've learned from our, our relationship here. That makes sense. And it's
probably hard to, because there's things that are, everybody brings baggage to a relationship, whether it's a previous relationship, whether it's our past, we all bring something with us that we don't necessarily need anymore.
person without them even packing those fucking bags you know what i mean like there's things that
i know for sure like my thing with you is like i used to have a lot of jealousy issues
you used to i knew you were gonna say that bro this is the part where you're supposed to have
my fucking back okay okay okay well i mean okay you, you have audibly been better about it, I will say.
But, yes, there.
There, was I back enough?
No, I have.
You're right.
I have been audibly better about it.
But I used to give him a hard time and would say things, what would I say?
Like, oh, you're going to go see your other family in Denver.
You know, these were my insecurities, my shit that I was
putting onto him. But I feel like that's a pretty normal thing that a lot of people do in a
relationship. It doesn't make it right, but I feel like that was probably really hard for you because
that's never been who you are in a relationship. Right. Yeah. So how'd you deal with that?
I, that was like, when i said there were two parts that
was the other part oh shit my bad is is trying to to deal with that one just also have the
understanding is you've that's all you've practically seen right as far as everyone being um you know unfaithful and that and whatever right like
that that's that in your you come from the frame of reference is that's just what everyone does
especially guys but um just basically again it's it's patience and understanding, and that's the alpha right there.
And the crazy part is Papa doesn't even reassure me a lot, so I don't know how he does it.
Because you're not a reassurer.
I'm not either, Mama Bear, so I don't know how he does it.
I don't know how he does it because the patience thing,
Because the patience thing, I got a lot out of it.
I got a lot of it, but I get tested whenever it's like,
when there's like an issue or a problem.
I don't know how to explain it.
Communication, how to get better at communicating,
literally the small things.
I'm very like, how can I explain it?
I'm very like, we've been together for 10 years.
We've been living together.
But she says like, I still don't even feel like I know you
because the thing is, this is what I tell her.
So like work life balance, right?
I don't like to bring my work back to the house.
I don't like to talk about work at the house. If it's bugging me, I try
not to show, but sometimes I can't hide it. Sometimes, you know, because it fucking bugs
me whenever something's huge. I'm putting out fucking fires like almost every day now.
So I feel like a firefighter. And like sometimes she tells me like, well, you don't want to
tell me things. I don't want to fucking talk about it. I don't want to like, I just don't want to talk about it.
I don't want to talk about work.
It's like my cousin who plays ball, like he plays baseball.
And if you talk about baseball to him, he does not like it.
He's told me before in my face, bro, I really don't like when you guys bring up baseball to me.
I fucking hate it.
I was like, bro, what the fuck?
This is what you, like, but then I came back, like, well, you know what?
It's his job.
I know, like, you know, he's blessed and all, but he's right.
He don't want to talk about that shit.
He does that shit every day, every fucking day, 182 games.
He don't want to talk about it.
So, like, I thought about it, like, okay.
So I do the same thing.
Like, now I do the same thing, and I tell her, like,
I just don't want to talk about it.
But I don't know.
Maybe.
Maybe I should.
Because it starts problems sometimes, believe it or not.
And it sucks.
It's because she feels like you're being evasive,
and a lot of times people think if you're being evasive about something, it's the same as lying.
And I think that that's what women see, in my opinion.
That's what, like I said, that's a woman, my perspective.
No, I, I, I, a hundred percent.
And for me, sometimes it's like, well, if I were to try to talk about you know something in my work
or what i've been dealing with then uh it'd be one thing if like you know we were in the same
field and you know then i'd be able to look oh yeah i was i was just you know busy building a
database blah blah blah you know things like that then, but if I were to like go on trying to figure out like, okay,
where's the technicals? Like, what can I,
he's trying to think about how he can dumb it down for a conversation.
No, no, no. He's that smart though, because I, it's like,
we don't do the same thing at work. So it's like,
it's kind of tough for me to express myself with my line of work to her.
She's not going to know what the hell I'm talking about.
Right.
Exactly.
But if we did share that, yeah.
You guys ever think maybe if you told us shit that we would be like, fuck, I'm never asking that stupid question.
I don't know what the fuck he was talking about.
You know what I mean?
Like, now I actually do explain shit to her.
Like, yeah, you know, we did this engine, blew out, and, you know, I got to pay this.
Yeah, you know what?
Like, I have actually started doing that, and it actually is working little by little.
Like, she just won't ask anymore or talk about it.
So, you're right.
You're right.
When's your...
Mom, I have this book.
I don't know if your birthday's on Twitter.
I'm an Aquarius.
Yeah, but I need another day. Oh, February 6th.
Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Let me see.
God, we're so close. I know. We're the Aquariusers.
You have a, you have a good one.
Yours is pretty good.
I'm going to read something to you.
You can tell me if it's Cap or not.
You know what that is, right?
Cap.
I don't know what I'm talking to you.
I do.
I do know what Cap is.
Thanks to you, Al.
Gen Z kids, so, you know.
We have Gen Z kids, so, you know.
Yeah, I know, my bad.
Yeah, I know. My bad.
It says, your insight says,
you're resourceful, a creative by nature.
You do wonders with leftovers.
You can build shelves from coffee cans
or make quilts from scraps.
You're thoughtful when it comes to others.
Not so when it comes to yourself.
A lack of spare time and unrealistic expectations can drain you.
So far, I don't know.
So far, I feel like it's spot on.
She doesn't do leftovers.
You want challenging relationships.
Did you hear Papa?
She doesn't do leftovers.
You don't want challenging relationships especially in love your warmth and sensitivity
captive captivate people your unusual personality can scare them but that personality exactly is
exactly what what they're attracted to in the first place don't underestimate your power passion
comes in several unconventional connections in your life,
especially in the beginning of relationships.
Your love mate has style, ooh, and, wait,
and may be in the public eye.
It may take a few jobs to get you settled,
not because you're fickle, but because of your diversity.
Be patient with your passion for art.
You should look for that in your diversity. Be patient with your passion for art. You should look to that.
You should look for that in your field. You could also find satisfaction as a social worker,
therapist, doctor, or working with children. You have no problem with criticism or authority.
Others may find you lazy, but it may be simple boredom. You need constant stimulation at work and perhaps a bit of freedom.
You may be more interested in hobbies than your job.
I don't know.
I think it's spot on for you.
A lot of that sounds really, that sounds about right.
I definitely get bored very easily.
And this is where Papa comes in and says, how are you with me?
He does that all the time, you guys.
No, like, because...
That's hilarious.
Sometimes I just want to, like, well, then how do you deal with me?
You just...
I don't deal with you, bro. I adore you. But, yeah, but that's the thing with me you just I don't deal with you bro I adore you but um yeah but that's the thing with
me I'm very guarded um and I can I don't want to say pretend to love everybody I have a lot of love
for everybody but you know if you're in my inner circle but I I can quickly quickly detach that too. Like if you fuck with me once,
oh, it's really tough.
There's a certain threshold
and that goes back to my perception
and I guess that we all have our own tolerance level.
We all have our own level of what is okay, what's not
and maybe some people don't know what's okay and what's not
and then they're like, damn, what did I do to piss her off?
You know?
Don't you think Papa?
Yeah.
And I'm huge about respect.
That's probably one of my biggest things is being respectful.
And I'm very much different respect than you are.
Right,
babe.
With respect.
That was actually going to bring up a question was like,
how do you,
how do you determine respect?
Like,
I feel like that's,
that is very much a individual personal thing,
isn't it?
I mean, yeah, but isn't everything?
You mean like
how does
do respect?
It's like
relative, I guess, is what you're trying to ask? Is it? It's like relative, I guess?
Is it what you're trying to ask?
someone was to act a certain way
and you felt disrespected
by their actions, right?
Oh, yeah.
Those same actions might not
bother somebody else.
Or they might not feel disrespected.
Yeah, i'm following
you yeah like i was saying that's with anything yeah and that's what goes back to my whole thing
about what is right and what is who's how do you know that that's right
i think it's just a moral thing you know what i mean like you just know like good and bad
you know what i mean like i mean unless you're talking like you know it's the sky thing you know what i mean like you just know like good and bad you know what i mean like
i mean unless you're talking like you know it's the sky blue you know what i mean like
well what is blue like you know you can go down that rabbit hole but you know what i mean as far
as like i don't know i feel like you can tell when people are when they have malicious intention you know even if they're like trying to just tell
you a fib you know about something like sometimes there's like tells yeah oh for sure and especially
as you get to know somebody for a long period of time like papa can be across the country
um and i can tell by talking on the phone with him what it is that he's doing. I can tell if he has
his hand up behind his head. I can tell if he's playing with his beard, all those types of things
without any kind of FaceTime because I can tell different tones and different movements of people
that I love. I just, I know what they do. Did I just rug?
I can hear you now.
Okay.
Okay.
I just was wondering if anybody else heard that.
What did you say?
no, no.
It was just like you cut out and it was dead silent for like eight seconds.
I think it was me though.
Fucking X.
Hmm. I don't know
I don't know
I don't know
But yes I would say that I have a tone
I've always struggled
A lot with my tone
And Jed is that something
That you see too
I think so.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, I think too, I'm just like, I'm just naturally like, I think I over process things sometimes, you know, and I need to like just chill the fuck out.
In that situation, not to say I'm unchilled, but you know what I mean?
Like, I need to like stop thinking about things so much, like sometimes, you know.
And that goes back to what my therapist talks to me about all the time is that's a thought.
And what's a fact, you know, what's the fact of the situation?
Is that just a thought that you're having?
Or is that a fact?
Because I can easily, I mean, like, I have, like, the most amazing imagination.
Yeah, and it can be, you know, it can be hard sometimes to, like, stop yourself in that moment,
you know? Think, like, oh, it's,, like, there's nothing really evident here
that's insinuating,
that's telling me that my feeling
is factual, you know?
It can be hard to, like,
get in that mindset sometimes.
But I think it,
I think that,
you know, it's like a muscle,, you know, just got to practice.
No, it's true.
I feel like changing your mindset and changing, for me, the way that I react to things.
Those are two different very things, right?
How we react to something and how we respond to something.
I'm a very reactive person. And anything that just really upsets me, you're gonna know. And
that's when I have to really, really consciously work on that. And that's something that I don't
even know if that's ever going to get completely better. Some people are just not Papa is not reactive and that's why we do so well together
that's a super power right there
yeah
for example
I don't know
how do you actually
teach yourself to not
react
or not to how to not react or to you know not to
you know how to not react and and respond to to something what i mean you've been seeing me do it for over two years i think you have to be consciously thinking about it you have to
consciously be thinking not to be overreacting not not to be overreacting. I think, I think I learned the way I learned was because of my seven-year-old.
It's like, so with kids, if you react to, for example, say they drop something and go
crazy, you can see their faces and the way they, the way they react.
It's like, oh my God, the end of the world.
Because how we're reacting.
But instead of reacting and you go, it's all right,
pick it up, clean it up.
Or, you know, then they're more like calm, relaxed,
like, oh, okay.
Like everything is okay.
It's not the end of the world.
And I learned that because obviously, you know,
first time parent, I'm because obviously, you know, first time parent, I'm
used to, you know, and I'm, you know, I wish my mom was in here. Like I'm used to like
something happens, reaction, get your ass beat, chancla flying from one, from one end
to the other. And I don't want to be like that. Like, and I was being like that whenever
he was a little bit younger, I'll react. What? Like, you know, like I wouldn't want to be like that. Like, and I was being like that whenever he was a little bit younger. I'll react.
What?
Like, you know, like I wouldn't cuss or anything.
I don't cuss like that around him.
But I try not to.
But what's it called?
I'll react, though, for any little thing.
And then now as he's getting older
and I'm getting wiser
and, you know, reading stuff,
it's like, fuck, why the fuck did I react?
Like, instead of just going,
everything's all right. Like, even reass like everything's good everything's okay it's okay
and it just i don't know i don't know but i feel like i'm getting better when it comes to that
though because i used to react a lot yeah you it seems like you had the conscious awareness to
catch yourself every time and then it got easier and easier.
And then got to a point where you, I guess you don't necessarily
have to catch yourself, right?
Just like Jed was saying, it's like a muscle where you have
to become aware in that moment of the automatic cyclical
reaction, mental reaction you're having and rewire it.
And it just takes time.
100%. I feel like it takes takes time especially if you're a person that
is aware i am a very aware person so like there's people around me um that aren't aware and i see
how they act but you can't tell another person how to parent their kid. And that's the problem in this world.
It's like, you know, if I'm being the best parent that I can be,
and I feel like I'm being the best parent that I can be to my kid,
but the homie or the homegirl is not, you know, up to par,
and they're just letting their kid do whatever the fuck they want,
and they're being fucking hooligans and shit, it sucks. It sucks, but you can't tell another person how to parent their kid do whatever the fuck they want and they're being fucking hooligans and shit it sucks
it sucks but you can't tell another person how to parent their kid as long as i always tell like me
and my girl were always like as long as our kid is good like because man we don't need another
we don't need another one of those out there like we need you know good people and i and i and i
you know my my little son seven year old he's he's such a good
person kids nowadays they're fucking evil like i thought like when i was growing up like it was
crazy right i'm a 90s baby um it was it was crazy right i survived it all that shit and now i think
about it like with my son like kids his age seven, seven year olds, they're cussing.
They they they they know a lot like they know so much.
And my son, he doesn't know jack shit.
Like he doesn't know a lot of words when it comes to like and I don't want them to.
But but I think about it a lot like, damn, these kids are advanced right now.
Is it what they're watching or is it or is it who they're listening to,
a.k., aka their parents?
I don't know.
It's crazy, though, out here.
In Cali, at least, in Cali.
Yeah, no, I don't.
I don't.
I'm not envious of any of that.
What were you going to say, Papa?
Oh, no was i forget now
but yeah i i think it takes a lot of effort for me to not be reactive um and i will be the first
to admit that if i hold back hold back something to be reactive to that doesn't mean that it
doesn't still affect me
internally. And that's something that I'm trying to work on is how am I going to not let that
affect me on a physical level three days later? Because I tend to, it's weird because I'm a fast,
I'm a fast reactor on the fly. If you give me a chaotic, traumatic situation, I deal very well with the situation.
But my body, it doesn't catch up for about two to three days later.
And then I feel it physically.
So even if there is something for me that I want to react to and I hold that in, I have
to find a way to be able to still release that.
So I found myself, you know, going into the room and flipping
off the wall and telling the wall what I think about that bitch who's at my living room. Do you
know what I mean? Like things like that, because, and I feel that it is very important for us to
have an outlet to get those emotions out, whether that's through breathing, meditation, whatever it
is, because I don't think that it's healthy to hold all that in.
And for me, my reaction is not only a release for me, but it's a defense, right? It's a way that I just shoot from the hip, but I don't know how people just hold it in. Are those the motherfuckers
that are on snapped? Because I don't want to be like that either. I'd rather tell you exactly
what the fuck I think, when I think versus holding it all in.
And then I'm on the news and they're like, damn,
mama just killed a bunch of people.
There's good and bad though, mama,
because I have a buddy, um, old time friend, uh, you know,
his name is Anthony. He, um, like, like for,
like this is a good example. he lived him him and his girl live with um
the girl's parents right they all live under one roof the the dad at night was having a heart
attack and um there's people that just won't react they just like they're just being shocked
and stuck him this is his first time he was. Him, this is his first time, he was telling me like,
this is my first time ever seeing any of this.
He just reacted right away.
Like, everybody else was screaming.
He thought somebody was breaking into the house.
He's fucking over here grabbing, you know, his fucking gun and shit.
But it was just the wife screaming like,
something's wrong, you know, with hubby.
And he was having a heart attack.
And all he did was, he just reacted., like brought him down, started fucking just pumping his
chest.
Uh, like he called the 911 or whatever.
And then 911 walked him through.
He didn't get nervous.
He didn't, he didn't freeze up like everybody else did.
Everybody else in the house, they just froze and he just reacted.
He was just like, I don't know, but I just reacted.
And I was like, bro, you saved his life.
Like you legit react, was this your first time ever seen,
this is my first time, I didn't even know
what the fuck I was doing, but I was just pumping his chest
because the cops were just like,
you gotta perform CPR or else he's gonna die.
And then he was just like, he didn't even talk.
He just said he was just focused.
He was just locked in and he saved his suegro's life. So it was crazy though, whenever he told me that story.
be reactive. But now that things are calmer, and I'm in a safe place, it doesn't mean that those
responses don't still show up. We talked about this yesterday about how the brain doesn't know
if I'm 10 years ago, if I'm four minutes ago, or if I'm in right now. And I think that that's
where I really struggle, but it is just constantly working and working harder and harder not to be reactive because I'm, I mean, I definitely admit that I am.
So, but I don't know how it is to never be reactive.
Like that trips me out.
Yeah, I think too, I mean, being reactive in like an emergency situation versus being reactive and like you know
the way you take the way someone looks at you i mean i think it's like two different things you
know because i mean that by the way cj that's a fucking crazy story bro most people would like
freeze up you know or not know what to do and you know you know lock up but you know, or not know what to do and, you know, you know, lock up. But, you know,
there are some people out there that probably don't even fucking know it because they've just
never been in that situation that, you know, they have, you know, some sort of reactive ability like
that. It's, uh, it's rare. And it's like, it's like, honestly, it's like a gift if you think
about it. Um, I don't, I don't think if, I don't think
I've ever been in that kind of a situation. Um, I'd like to think I'd be reactive. You know what
I mean? All the little trainings and shit I've learned over the, you know, course, course of
my adult life. Um, but you never really know until you're in that situation. Just be prepared as best you can.
And it's better to, it's honestly, I was just watching something about this.
And it's like, it's almost like it's better to try to do something and be reactive,
even if you don't solve the problem, than to just stand by.
Because then you have learned.
You now have more experience in those situations and the next time
remember what you said jen remember what you said like he was telling me my brother could show up he
was telling me the people around them because they were they had like a party before or whatever
they all like you just said it's like a gift sometimes or like some people just got it
naturally he was telling me the people that were around, they froze. They were just frozen.
The girls were screaming.
Fucking annoying.
The girls were screaming.
And I understand.
It's crazy.
It's crazy.
Like you're watching somebody fucking die in front of your face.
And my boy aunt, she just fucking, he was just like, I don't know what I didn't say a word.
I just locked in and I just, I don't know.
I didn't even know what I was doing.
I just called.
They said, you got to do CPR.
You have to, you got to pump his chest as hard as you can.
Trust me, you're not going to hurt him.
And he just fucking started pumping his shit.
And until they got there, but like everybody froze, like nobody helped.
They just froze.
And he didn't ask for help either.
He didn't like, I told him like, did you say anything?
He was like, bro, I didn't say a word.
I was just looking at him, like locked in his face
and just like listening to whatever 911 was telling me.
And then they finally got there.
And then I took a breath like
oh shit i can't believe it and now he's
oh no
oh no
it is it is and we all humans all respond.
And a lot of times in a traumatic situation, that's what our brain,
I think we go back into a primal state to where we,
there's some people who will run.
There's some people who will freeze and there were some people who will
fight.
I think those are the three aren't they?
I don't know.
What's up, Rick.
Hey, what's up guys good convo uh i did pin to the top we've spoken at about it before but the most unbelievable reaction i've seen
from the lady in that video up at the top that uh she was getting uh she was getting they were getting mugged
for crypto uh and the guy gets stabbed you maybe you won't see this when you watch it so i'm just
going to say it uh you'll see the guy gets stabbed and then the gun drops on the ground and this hero
of a woman somehow throws the gun to a bystander he picks up the gun points it at the the crooks
and they run away uh but man that that right there is it's very difficult you think that that's easy
it's very very very difficult i've been in situations because obviously living in south
africa i've heard gunshots outside my house and then run outside to see what it is.
And bullets flying and the police there, like shooting at hijackers on the streets, hit them,
you know, blood everywhere. And yeah, like I just freeze. I like, as much as I can try to think in
my mind, I won't freeze. freeze i just freeze but in that situation there
i just ran for my life honestly like something inside me just said go and i sprinted away from
there i came back later and there was the guy was dead they had shot the guy in the head on the side
of the road uh but the other guy that was with me he like like ran towards the thing. It was weird. Like I ran away.
He was running towards it.
I was like,
damn,
this guy's,
he's brave,
bro.
Like running towards these gunshots.
But yeah,
man,
it's,
it's crazy how,
how,
how,
how we don't even,
you can't control that.
Like you can try saying your head now,
Oh yes,
I'll run or,
Oh yes,
I'll freeze it. But, yes, I'll freeze.
It just depends on the situation. Like, you never know how you're going to react.
I watched another one the other day, like some video of a girl standing next to that bridge where the ship, like, went into the bridge.
And she was just standing there, like, the tiktok while this this ship went straight
into the bridge knocked its mask down uh and she's there like laughing at it you know it's just crazy
some people have no self-awareness as well like shit can be going down around them and they just
don't they're like in another world uh so i think there is one fourth one there, Mama.
That's true.
Just no clue.
I always give Papa a hard time about that.
I'm like, bro, do you not notice anything?
He's like, I don't pay attention to that shit.
I don't give a fuck about it.
I'm like, but you need to know.
I'm the person who's hitting you up while you're in the store.
And I'm like, listen, there's a chick walking in right now, red hoodie.
She's up to something dirty or especially a dude with my daughter.
I'm like, all right, you need to get out of the store.
This dude's about to roll up in there.
I know some shit's about to go down. Uh, right, Papa?
Like I'm like, stay away from that car over there. That's an angry car.
Yeah. You said that.
Cause I'm like hyper aware. Like'm i'm watching people i'm trying to see
what's happening i i gotta know what's happening at all times around me but again that is a response
because of my lived experience
but papa believes also what you um what you focus on is what you're going to see more of.
Right, Ben?
Well, yeah.
And also, like, if you interact or you kind of, you know, I don't know how to explain it. Like, I feel like,
not that I like think you ever would invite people to, you know,
mess with you or whatever like that, but you can, you, you can also like,
I don't know, energetically throw off the don't, don't mess with me vibe.
And I feel like that, that has a lot more um
a lot more sway than you think but i'm obviously yeah well we know i do that too but i'm also i'm gonna know what's gonna happen around me at all
times and i feel like you're the more like you're more oblivious because you just
don't care i could see you now like in the restaurant and you're hanging out with papa
and you're like do you see the guy with the black glasses and the red shirt and he's like looking
around the room he's looking across the restaurant he doesn't see anybody with black glasses and a
red shirt and she goes like look in the reflection of the teapot on the back left corner
of the bar you can see him out in the street right now he's making a telephone call you know
like or whatever like that's fucking mom bear 100 you mean the brown shirt oh okay no and he
won't even look you should tell him it's the green shirt because he thinks it's rude yeah papa wanted to look i'm like bro watch out watch out for them what is green
i'll tell you one funny story though um we were at friend meyer and papa went inside and i was
like i messaged him i was like dude this chick next to us is fucking smoking meth and he's like
what i'm like dude i swear it's like getting in the car And he's like, what? I'm like, dude, I swear.
It's like getting in the car.
And he's like, well, put it on hazard mode or whatever.
This dude fucking summons the car with me in it to go towards him.
Cause it's like a huge thing.
Cause it wasn't working properly.
And the chick ended up walking up to him and trying to talk to him.
And I was laughing so hard.
You remember that, babe?
Yeah. walking up to him and trying to talk to him and i was laughing so hard you remember that man yeah that was before they uh they stopped allowing someone to work when there's somebody in the car damn yep now my dream will not come true i had a nightmare that papa actually summoned the vehicle
and crashed me into a residential area and i was in the passenger side shit's fucked up
me into a residential area and I was in the passenger side. Shit's fucked up. Yeah, but no,
for sure, Jed, you're totally right. I know everything that goes. I know I can tell you
anybody that's in my area who I've seen walk by. And if I don't, I don't like people to point it
out. Like, yeah, a couple of days ago, we were down at the water and I was like, where'd that
fool go? And Papa's like, oh, he got out of his car, and I'm like, fuck.
Because then I get upset with myself that I let my guard down.
Nobody else is like that.
Fine.
Hypervigilance sucks, you guys.
And having to be on all the time is exhausting.
So just so you know, it's a shitty way to be.
I can imagine. It is imagine this is fucking exhausting i hate it
i just need a really big gun but i just i just don't even put myself in those situations anymore
like i i just avoid any situation that like could be dodgy.
Obviously, you can never always avoid it,
but like I don't even, man, I just try to stay away from humans.
I know that that's crazy, but like IRL humans sometimes can be wild.
So in two weeks, I'm going to have to go to a conference
and see actual humans.
It's going to be devastating, but I think I'll make it through.
Where are you going, Rick?
I'm doing an AI workshop at NFC Lisbon.
Oh, cool.
That's so awesome.
Papa and I were talking about going to your area sometime.
He was like, man, that'd be kind of cool.
Is it beautiful?
Yeah, you'd love it um you'd like you'd probably want to move here so many american people want to move here when they visit because uh like the healthcare system's quite good here uh obviously
compared to like in terms of price uh you don't pay as much and actually the quality is also amazing um the only problem
is right now there's a huge crisis here with there not being enough um houses for the amount
of people living here so the rentals have gone like pretty crazy but other than that like
living's pretty cheap um and the food is just probably the best thing about portugal i would say if i had to say
one thing that that you should do when you come to portugal is go to go to a traditional
portuguese restaurant but if you guys had to come out here i'd do a whole
uh itinerary for you guys so so you could see everything and experience it. Very, very like, oh, like, I think the thing that you guys would probably find most beautiful about the place is like the cobbled streets and like all the old churches and architecture.
A lot of the history, they've got like the first, the first of the first elevator in the whole of Europe as well.
So you can ride on that.
It's just cool things like really old school.
You almost feel like you being, uh, you time traveling into like 50, 60 years ago.
Cause a lot of the buildings are like, and unchanged and the streets are still like, they
all look like very old school compared to the US.
You know, I just saw a post from Mama Bear
on Babs's post in London.
And she said, I love the cobblestone.
It's funny you just said that.
That's one of my most favorite things is the cobblestone streets
yep i was like yep and while he was talking i was looking through pictures
i was like rick is uh taking me on a journey through portugal right now
so yeah we've definitely talked about it
also like i live close to centra which is like this um this castle and there's like an
old monastery there like a monk monastery um actually those like pistachio donato is like
the famous custard cakes from lisbon that everyone raves about those were made by monks originally
that's that's how they came up with it uh they used to use the
egg white to as like starch for clothes and then they would keep the yellows um and they didn't
know what to do with it so they mixed it with sugar and turned it into like these little custard
tarts and now those are like the signature of of portugal so it's like these hot custard tarts with like a very thin
filo pastry and then you top it with a little bit of cinnamon cinnamon and icing sugar and you eat
it while the custard's still like hot and the pastry's still like super crispy um it's probably
like the most addictive desserts slash treats um you'll ever have in your life people go crazy for
it yeah you won't be able to stop eating them i i can honestly polish off like 12 in one sitting
easy that's awesome i feel like papa's looking this up he's like what is this
um and is weed legal over there like can you smoke over there or not so it's not it's not legal but
all they've decriminalized all drugs in portugal so everything from i mean when i say all drugs i
mean all drugs there's not one drug here that that's uh like you'll go go straight to jail for. You'll go to like rehab and like that type of thing,
but they won't send you to jail for drugs.
Unless you're dealing drugs, then you'll get sent to jail.
Or if you're importing or exporting, then you could get sent to jail.
But like if you have like 20 grams of weed or even like cocaine or ecstasy
or heroin or LSD or anything,
and the cops stop you and it's on your person,
you'll have to go to like an office like the next week
and then they'll sign you up for like a rehab program.
Then you have to go through the rehab program and then that's it.
You're done.
And the rehab, obviously obviously like it gets more intense
so if you get caught like a second time then like it's a more intense rehab the third time more
intense rehab so they it's more about like just helping people that are um in trouble and portugal
had the highest heroin consumption in the world through the 80s and
the 90s uh actually i think might be in europe but i may even be the world um but i'm sorry that
i'm not 100 on that but uh they since then uh they are now one of the lowest in the whole of Europe because they give people counseling,
like clean needles.
Also AIDS was like massive in Portugal because of the needle sharing and all of that.
And it's been totally like eliminated through them making drugs decriminalized because there's
people that go with like bibles and they go with like clean
needles and they go with blankets and stuff to these areas where the drug addicts are and they
go and they're like help them out you know try help them out um but obviously it like if you get
caught you you are in shit like that that is the thing you are still still in shit, but you're not going to go to jail. That's the point.
Interesting.
Yeah, we have a huge fentanyl problem here for sure.
And something really bad is going around in our specific area right now.
We've had a high number of deaths.
Like we always have the overdoses, but people are really like, yeah,
I don't know what is going on. Is there like a center where you can go there and like go test your fentanyl, see if it's like clean? I think,
I don't know for sure. I know that they provide them with the Narcan, the free needles. We actually
have centers where you can go and shoot up, and it's monitored by nurses.
So they provide a lot of things like that here,
but it's not helping the situation at all.
Well, that's what I find interesting.
It's like they basically decriminalized it in a way,
if they're allowing that to to happen without like
locking these people up knowing that they they've they've consumed so um i wonder why it's not
working the same way that it it worked here maybe it takes some time but i see the problem seems to
be getting worse though is it all drugs over there like you you get you know like if you had
Is it all drugs over there?
Like you,
you get,
you know,
like if you had versus if you had LSD or co or weed,
and then you got pulled over or something and you had to go to rehab,
I mean,
would you have to go to rehab for all,
would they have a rehab for all of those different drugs or is it all?
Yeah.
no different rehabs,
different rehabs.
but they have each drug,
like for whatever category they play. Well, yeah, category, not, different rehabs. But they have them for each drug, like for whatever category they place.
Well, yeah, category, not each drug.
So, like, there'll be, like, the Class As and then, like,
obviously weed and stuff is, like, a really, like, you know,
not an intense one.
But, like, a Class A, you'd probably be locked up, like,
in an institution, like, in rehab.
So, in a way, you are kind of, like probably be locked up like an institution, like in rehab. So in a way you are kind of like getting locked up, but you know,
like it's for rehab. You're free to go after the rehab, you know?
But I don't, if I might be wrong, but I don't really,
I feel like some drugs in the United States anyway,
are looked at differently like that. Like they're not,
it's not all one in the same.
It's like, you know,
pot is probably looked at a little bit differently in the eyes of the
government anyway.
Then, you know, let's say, uh, I don't fucking know Coke or whatever.
Like, do they like, do people,
I don't know what the fuck i'm trying to say it's crazy because we
portugal is also the the number one exporter of weed in the whole of europe so like even though
it's illegal here it's it's also the same it's like that like they don't really care about weed
like they like they do care about coke and obviously like fentanyl.
Like fentanyl isn't really a thing here.
Like I don't know why.
Like it hasn't hit Europe as hard.
But like crack and like I'm sure heroin is also like a problem here.
You know, so it's still a problem.
You know, it's still a problem, but it's still a problem but it's it's a very
small problem compared to like how how it was before like you'll see crackheads on the street
now you don't see them on the street anymore so i i just wonder why like in the usa like there's
that problem of of fentanyl like in some areas like so heavily concentrated it's because it's like
philadelphia right and then it's like on on the west coast it's like san francisco kind of like
uh california like has that problem but it's not like a country-wide um thing so i'm wondering why
is it why is that why is it is it like focused in those areas?
I think I'm like, remember, I think I know how to say what I was trying to say.
And that's, I don't, like, I think if you got arrested and you had fentanyl on you,
you know, depending on the state you're in, maybe they'll force you into a rehab.
But I feel like most of the time they would just fucking lock you up.
I mean, maybe unless you're like a repeat offender, you know, whereas if you had fucking, you
know, uh, I don't know if you had, if you were in another state, like if you were in
Oregon or if you were in Baltimore, you know, like Maryland, you know, um, they would maybe
force you into a rehab right from the get.
I don't know.
I don't know if that's how that works.
But I just feel like the way you're describing it over there is that they look at drugs as in a blanket.
And so they treat them all the same and give the same kind of consequence from the beginning.
It sounds like there isn't even an option
to lock you up and put you behind bars. It's just, no, you're going to that, you know.
I think another problem that we have here, Jed, is we don't have the facilities.
We just don't have the manpower. Like, there's not enough facilities because we have so many addicts. And honestly, what I see here in my state is just the continual enabling.
And just they have a higher status.
A person can be downtown and run around with a machete after somebody and be super high.
They might get detained. They might not.
Nine times out of ten, the judge is just going
to release them. And then they go back out and repeat because they're so high. And it has to be
a choice if you want to go into rehab. And then when you do have the choice to go into rehab,
there's usually very little options for a rehabilitation for somebody. So, and our criminals here are treated at a higher level of care than I,
even our regular Papa could go do the exact same thing and he'd get locked up.
You see what I'm saying?
There's just,
it's a,
it's a complete fucking,
it makes no sense.
I feel like the big difference there is the,
the forced rehab.
It's not a forced thing here.
Yeah, and we wouldn't even have the facilities to do so anyway.
Even just from the mental health side, which I see a lot of for the state of Washington, we don't have the facilities.
We have people on waiting lists for several months to even
up to a year. And that's private or Medicaid, you know, the state insurance that are trying to get
their children into hospitals for, you know, self-harm and suicidal ideation and all kinds
of things like that. So it's, we have a really fucked up system as far as that goes. I think that the mental
health in general is just not prioritized. And a lot of people use substances that are in a mental
health crisis. So what's up, Tech? Hey, how's it going? Good. It's good to see you. Good to see y'all too. So there's a lot to unpack here with this conversation. And I want to say for like on Rick's part, as far as Californians and Philly, they're big cities. going to have a higher percentage of people who may be poor, have depression or mental health
issues. So statistically, it makes sense why it would be larger in those two areas, because you
could probably add New York into the fold too. The other thing I want to say is, as someone that's
been to rehab before, and just different jobs that I've worked, like being in CVS and being in the military, healthcare in America is a business.
And in a lot of other countries, it isn't.
there's certain things that if we restructured could be fixed, but it would kill the profit
margins of pharmaceutical companies who have investors on the stock market. So it's not
in their best interest. And I don't want to go too much into the depressing conversation.
I just want to say, as far as healthcare, why is it that United Healthcare only said publicly that they
want to make changes? And I say say publicly that they want to make changes because I haven't
physically seen the changes after someone went after their main CEO. So the root problem of
fixing depression and other people's problems isn't really fixed a lot. Even going to therapy
where I go for like PTSD, a lot of the therapists I've been to, not all of them, they talk about
just living life the way everyone else does. And that's not necessarily good for every individual.
that's not necessarily good for every individual. Like you'll be like, I will depression because my
business broke down. I'm poor and I'm barely paying the bills. And they'll completely ignore
that and be like, what you need to do is start dating, get a wife and get married. And it's like,
nigga, I just said I'm poor and I can barely pay my bills. And you telling me to spend money on this so that's something else to keep in mind but i'll
stop there
tech you always make me laugh
i think he hit the nail on the head though um i think it comes down to like the healthcare system
because like obviously when portugal did that they increased heavily like the
the the rehab centers and all of that to accommodate for that change and obviously the
the healthcare system here is um pretty much like public you know anyone can use go like i could go
to the i could go to the hospital no problem and
they like get everything done in the hospital and not have to pay like a bunch of money like i think
it is in the u.s so i think that that's also comes down to that is like the health care system here
like that maybe like papa was saying you know here you get boom, you've got a rehab room waiting for you there, like, you know, to go to.
But in the U.S. it might be very difficult to find a rehab.
You'd have to pay for it.
There's just no support there, you know.
So it almost becomes like, because it's a business, of course, they're not going to be out free free stays at the the rehab whereas here it's state run still so like the the hospital so obviously
the state run hospitals are still okay like it's they're not overrun yet um because we are pretty
small country i mean like compared to the like you, we're probably as big as some states, like the whole of Portugal.
So, yeah, 100% makes sense
why it would be worse in those areas
because I can imagine,
imagine trying to get a rehab in San Fran
or in Philadelphia.
Good luck.
You know what I mean?
Either you need huge pockets or, man, you probably have to wait as long as time.
Yeah, for sure.
And I think that even when you hear about like a star, somebody going to rehab in LA, I think even to just like walk in the door, it's around $50,000.
So, you know, and then they're going to add on to it, but it is, it's a money-making
industry for sure. There's no doubt about it. Again, you know, all of the drugs, everything is,
it's all, it's all here for a reason. I don't know. It's unfortunate because I think it goes so deep.
That's for sure.
It'll be interesting to see how things continue to go.
But I think that we all just want this huge, you know, we want it to stop.
We don't want there to be higher crime.
And we don't want there to be people who die or families that are affected.
Because that's the reality of drugs, of any substance, really. because that's the reality of drugs of any
substance really but that's the reality of it and it's not there's no like instant fix for it that's
why I go back to the mental health side I think that's why I like to talk about mental health so
much so we got AJ coming up here it's's been a while. What's up, AJ?
You see him too, don't you, Joe Mama?
AJ, how's it going?
Oh, he dropped back down.
Oh, man.
I was getting excited. I know, me too. down. Oh, man. I was getting excited.
I know, me too.
It's been a while.
Now we're all just waiting with paid a breath to see if he actually
did he come back up?
Or was that just a complete accident?
He actually clicked on the thing and we lit him up
and then he's like, oh, fuck, I didn't mean to do that.
He goes back down.
I've totally done that in a space, too. I fuck no i don't want to talk i've totally done that
that's awesome maybe we don't let him up at the same time babe i always wonder that
like me joe mama do we all click the click the button together? It's hilarious. I always think about that.
Earlier I was like, damn, someone's sniping this shit.
Someone's quick as fuck.
So I put a little, little funny gif in the thing, but yeah.
I'm here.
Good.
How are you?
I'm all right.
Now this is an interesting topic.
Cause I came from doing all that shit.
So, Texas, you get, you know, when I arrest an offender, you got one chance to fix your fucking life or you're fucked, you know.
After that, it pops up to a felony.
It's as simple as that.
It's a third degree most of the time.
And then that's two
to ten right so um yeah so that's a hard i've been hit with uh fentanyl i had to get an arc
hand one time uh cuffing up uh locking up an inmate um because he still had fentanyl he knew he had it
so he slapped the out of it and it puffed all three of us. He was so used to it that it did nothing to him,
but it dropped three officers in an instant.
So we had to get Narcan.
So I'm from a different perspective.
I understand it because, you know, I grew up alone, you know.
I know me and Mama Bear have like the same kind of bringing up, you know up with gangs affiliations and things of that nature from the hood and stuff like that.
So I see both sides of it.
But I did law enforcement for so long that I'm on the side where I have no pity for people that do drugs.
I mean, weed is totally different, right?
I'm not talking about that.
But as far as fentanyl and heroin and all these things, because those are the hardest motherfuckers to, first of all, take down and be able to lock up, restraint.
And they don't realize what they did until after they did it, you know?
A lot of them wake up the day after after they've, you know, sobered up, and they're just like, oh, shit, I didn't mean to do that.
My bad.
Well, the damage is already done, fucker.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, you've already done what you did you caused the damage already you
know whether that was an officer an individual or somebody on the street you know um so i used to
lock up these offenders you know most of the time but if it was small amounts other than that you
know obviously um most of the time we just throw it away get the out of our face you know
leave throw it there leave it there and you know leave um but if it's a big amount obviously or if it's uh something organized uh in
uh and organizing in criminal activities something like that or um manufacturing delivery you know
things of that nature then yeah we have to um take them in to the county, you know.
But it's an interesting topic, like I said, because I know so much about this stuff.
It's hard not to be in this topic because I talked about it.
I did this type of conversation for 14 and a half years, you know, with U.S. Marshals, detectives, CID, all these things.
So I came from that investigation side, especially when I was a CERT member, SWAT member.
So it's a daily conversation that I had.
So it's funny that you're on this conversation because I could literally go on this for hours.
I know my statute codes, my DPS codes for Texas and all that.
So, yeah.
Yeah.
And it's funny.
So that's actually one reason that my son is adamant about staying in Texas is because they don't fuck around.
And I think that, and you know, the other side is definitely the way that the schools are here. He doesn't like the agenda that's pushed on the kids,
which I have to have full respect for. You know, I, Washington is a beautiful state, but
the way things run here, I mean, we had a, I don't know, well, maybe you didn't see, but this is every day.
We had an individual who decided to have a shootout with the police, AR-15, fucked up their cruiser.
I mean, this was like, I don't even know how many hours.
Lots of damage done.
Lots of individuals hurt.
Was on the run.
Turns out he had actually been arrested six times in the last,
I think they said it was like three months and locked up was on. I mean, this is like,
this is like a several time repeat felon. And luckily they finally caught him. He was on the
Nevada, California border. And you know, these, these judges just continually let them out, you know? And
it's like, these are high risk situations. How far does it have to go in order for somebody to
fucking listen? It's very frustrating. And I agree because, you know, Texas,
and I'm not going to say Texas is perfect. I love my state, but, you know, we give no justification for drugs, which we shouldn't, right?
But they have so much leniency on DWIs.
I was never DWI certified, but I did do the STFTs test, which is the sobriety test with my partner.
But they have so much leniency when it comes to DWI drivers.
You can get three
four five six duis by the time you're facing any time damn that's tough now once you hit that limit
yeah you're you know you're doing at least a 10 piece but but until then you're you're getting
let off you know and and that's the crazy the crazy thing that most of these guys were killing more
people on the roads with head-on collisions and things of that nature. One of our dispatchers,
her name was Betty. She was a great friend of mine. She had literally like two weeks before
she passed away had just given me presents to give to my kids. And she got on a head-on collision and the driver was drunk
and did he live that's always he lived yeah he lived actually she lived i'm sorry it was a girl
she lived and my friend betty died and she was a dispatcher for our account our sheriff's
department and it's like wow you know that's fucking crazy you know and this lady had had
already had three four dwis under her belt yeah so yeah just
i don't understand i'm saying texas is so they're i don't know i don't i don't get it sometimes you
know but it also depends on the county right right you know the county that i was working for they
were hardcore on on um drug possessions and um db dwis and then the camp then the county over from us was very lenient.
So it also depends on the county and what their statute is on the and who they got behind that
bar. So that matters as well. Yeah, politics. It's crazy how much politics
have to do with it. It just kills me. I don't know. Like I said, T-WAP's always trying to get
us to move. He really misses his family. There has to be a different place maybe that we can meet
because I'm not about the concrete life. I don't know. Idaho, Idaho. Idaho. See, I tell T-WAP and
he's like, Idaho, there is nothing out there. But I'm like, I don't think you're right on that, son.
But I have to, I mean, I totally respect where he's coming from.
Like when he came back here, he's like, it's fucking trash.
You know, you're constantly worrying.
We have kids who have overdosed at parks just by going to the fucking park, bro.
You have a kid.
Kids touch everything.
And there's paraphernalia it
only takes what is it like a grain of rice to kill a person and we're having this happen i mean it's
on a constant i don't leave the house i'm afraid to go pump gas i mean that's that sucks to have
to live that way so yeah and that fentanyl is a whole nother you know when i got hit with that um
that way so yeah and that fentanyl is a whole nother you know when i got hit with that um
like i said it dropped three officers in a matter of seconds and he was just up and ready to fight
while we were fighting him and then he dropped us he dropped us with just smelling that i mean i did
i barely smelled it and i smelt it it had a like just a funky smell but in an instant i was on the
floor and had to be narcan you know along
with two of the officers and he was fine because he was so used to it you know that's just crazy
yeah hey aj i have a question for you is weed legal in texas no it's not it's not see yeah
texas does not fuck around no. They'll arrest you for two grams.
Under two ounces, they'll arrest you.
It's a misdemeanor.
It's like a ticket, essentially, but you're still going to county and getting fingerprinted.
My buddy is a sheriff out there in Texas.
I never asked him, but he's a sheriff out there for, think taylor texas i think tyler yeah tyler
tyler oh he's a yeah he's a he's a sheriff out there he always tells me like you want to raise
the family you got to come out to texas it's just safer and and i'm from cali and it's like
california is just like seattle they're just not they're just not it anymore if you're just like Seattle. They're just not it anymore.
If you're just, like, by yourself, adults, whatever, you're good.
But with kids, man, it just sucks.
Like, California is not it.
Yeah, Tyler, Texas, they're pretty good.
They have good deputies out there.
I taught a class of defensive tactics out there.
Yeah, he's from Cali, and he moved out there, and he got into the, you know,
well, he was a sheriff out here, and then he went out there, transferred out there,
and just totally just 360'd his life.
He's like nothing compared to California.
And he lived in a nice area in California, too, and he was like, I will never go back.
I just go to visit.'s it yeah I mean don't get me wrong don't
get me wrong we have our bad things I mean I've seen I've seen a lot um a lot I mean you come you
become so numb to it it's nothing anymore we kind of laugh it off now. But, you know, we've seen all kinds of shit.
Me and my son and my buddies.
I'm laughing that you say that because it's like, for example, I'm just laughing.
I don't know why this fucked up.
But, like, in Texas, right, you try to break into my house, like, I'm shooting your ass.
And it's like.
That's a fact.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I don't know what's going to happen.
But in California, you're going to jail.
You're going to jail if somebody like
breaks in and you still shoot the person not over here man my my cat has a glock on her side
i mean we have we all have glocks over here or something by our arm just in case somebody gets
brave now if it's a one-on-one thing yeah i'm down with i'm down with the mutual combat but
um if it's a situation where you're gonna thing, yeah, I'm down with the mutual combat, but if it's a situation where you're going to try to be brave and jump me, no, I'm popping off rounds.
That's wild. Yeah, see, we got to go to Texas, mom, but Texas or Idaho.
I guess. Yeah, we got to, I don't know. I think about it all the time, though. I think about
just like the safe feeling, but then I'm like, but I don't leave. I think about it all the time, though. I think about just, like, the safe feeling.
But then I'm like, but I don't leave my house anyway.
But still, there's, you know, shit just keeps rolling up.
You know, you can't even go to the pharmacy without, I don't know, even our restaurants.
People are overdosing in the bathroom.
And it's just out of control.
And it's so sad because it looks like a third world country. You know,
we've got tents all over and explosions for Pike place.
Super excited. I'm talking about the first, I'm talking about the first time,
not anymore, but I was so excited.
And I go there with my fam, whatever.
And like, I was let down. I was like, damn, it is not good right here and i started getting anxiety
i get i get anxiety in in public places for some reason and you know what's even crazier is i smoke
so it like doesn't help me it really doesn't and me and um and the other worst part is i'm over
here walking with j, with JP,
and he really didn't want to go.
I felt so fucking bad.
He was like, I'm just doing it for you.
I really don't want to go because they're going to recognize me,
and you're going to see what's going to happen.
And I was like, damn, I regret it.
I'm so sorry never putting you through that again.
But it was horrible the pipe
place was fucking oh my god i felt like i was thinking the whole time like all right where
the exits at i'm that type like when we go to a restaurant i'm like all right where the exits at
i don't like to sit like like with my back behind i like to look at everything i don't know why i'm
like that but that's how i am and. And then I think about zombie apocalypse shit.
I'm like, fuck, if some shit pops off right now, we're fucked.
We're fucked right here.
Not Texas.
Not, exactly.
I don't know.
It's bigger over there.
Yeah, no, you're right.
AJ, do you guys get tornadoes?
Because T-Wop's dealing with that shit right now.
I don't fuck around with tornadoes.
No, we don't get them in South Texas.
No. I think anything below
maybe below College
Station and below
Austin, we don't get any of that shit.
The most you have to worry about is a hurricane.
Where are you at, AJ?
You're in Dallas? No, I'm in the 8th.
Houston. Houston. Oh, okay. You're where you are you're in Dallas? No, I'm in the eight Houston Houston
It's just floods like crazy over here remember I showed you that photo one mom I
Pended to the top one time and it was a flooding the highway the water was above the highway
Yeah, cuz we're uh because we're under elevation here.
Flash floods, yeah.
So that's the only thing we have to worry about.
But, I mean, we're notified way before.
I want to live, like, on a lake where there's fish and trees.
That's what I want.
Tech has his hand up.
What's up, Tech?
I was just going to ask AJ related to the fentanyl.
I remember hearing some things back when I was in rehab in regards to why it was increasing.
So I heard generally it's a combination of if you're selling stuff on the street, you want to keep your customers and it's the easiest way for them to compete and have stronger stuff.
Now that there are dispensaries, have you found that to be true or have you seen a different story with your investigation?
Well, if you're allowed to talk about that anyway.
Yeah.
Yeah. I mean, yeah. From what I know is it, yes, it was cheaper, faster to make,
stronger. But there was kids out here that were lacing it in their blunts and different things
to try to trick the buyer into thinking it was something higher than what it was and then
it became fentanyl and then those people learned uh okay they fucked us over but damn that was a
good thing that was a good deal like they're smart so they started doing it and fucking off their
buyers and then it just continued on in this huge cycle um but these kids yeah they would lace them
and their blunts in them and things
of that nature. And they were Odine because they weren't sure of, you know, obviously
how much to intake and all that things. We have this drug down here called K2 as well.
I don't know if anybody's ever heard of that. It's a cheaper and very dangerous combination combination of like similar to like weed but they call it k2 and the only difference is k2 will
fuck up your mind uh fuck you up very bad um i knew some kids that i was trying to help
to get off this drug um and the more the more uh i would them, they just became worse and worse and worse.
And there was just literally nothing I could do for them because it had already fucked up their mind.
And fentanyl was the same way.
One kid, I'll remember him for the rest of my life, is a good kid.
I tried to help him as much as I could.
I tried to get him as much as I could. I tried to get him a job.
I did get him a job.
I just tried to teach him that that life wasn't the flex.
The flex was paying bills, things of that nature, getting a wife, having kids, growing up.
He died in my arms from that shit um that was a
very hard day but yeah it's it's just these young kids they get into these things and they uh they
think it's cool they think it's hip until uh until it's not you know um but yeah to answer your sort
your question yes it is the cheaper uh version of anything else and very strong, very strong.
And you don't realize it's that strong until obviously you're in a white bag.
Yeah, bro.
Damn, motherfuckers really fucking with that shit.
That's crazy.
Is that like spice?
Yeah, K2 is spice.
I was actually going to bring that up because around the time I was getting out of the military, a friend gave me some once and just the first try I had it, I felt like I was going to die. It was the worst experience ever.
And then when I was in the desert, because there's a lot of heat there and you have to keep drinking water to properly hydrate, you'll die from it really fast if you're taking it in those conditions
and not drinking enough water.
Exactly, yeah.
It dehydrates you like a motherfucker.
But it also fucks up your mind.
Even if you are staying hydrated,
it eventually just fucks with your brain cells.
It just completely messes you up.
They've done studies on it.
I know CID and us did studies on it when we were investigating we talked with the homicide
detectives and the the Jesus Christ I can't the morgue the people that do the optopsies
and they had done studies and we sent it over to the university and yeah, it just slowly
starts eating away your, your brain cells and your thought processes and your just everything else.
That's crazy, dude. You know, I went in my late teens, you know, at the time, like me and my,
my buddies, we, we didn't really drink like at all. That wasn't our thing.
Like we like to smoke, you know, some pot here and there.
And, you know, it was, uh, it was, we weren't getting in any trouble, you know, we're just
playing video games, chilling, you know, we all worked, you know, so it was like, you
know, we're just hanging out after work.
It was like our beer, so to speak.
But, uh, then, you know, as you got a little older, you you know like i had to get a job that you know
drug tested and all this kind of stuff and it was like all right well you know um i guess i was just
being young and rebellious in a way and i was just kind of feeling like why should a job get to
dictate what i do outside of my job you know what i mean like if i'm not coming to work smoking i'm
not smoking at work like what the fuck you? You know? So one of my buddies
was like, dude, you should try this shit. It's synthetic weed. And we were like, I didn't
fucking know any better, you know? And I trusted the guy and, um, basically I tried it and, um,
yeah, I felt like I was fucking dying. I had a really crazy out of body experience. And, uh,
and I was swear, I was like, Oh God, I came back from that. And I was like, was fucking dying. I had a really crazy out-of-body experience. And I swear, I was like, oh, God, I came back from that.
And I was like, dude, I'm never touching that shit again.
And the craziest part of that story is that the next day, I got some with my buddies.
And we smoked that shit for like a year.
Like literally for like a whole fucking year.
You could go to the gas station. You could go to the gas station,
you could go to the head shop. It was completely legal. It was sold as potpourri, you know,
but you smoke it. That's what it was meant for, you know, and it would fuck you up instantly,
but it wouldn't last long. So you were always going through, you know, um, more than you
realize. And it got so bad at a point, me and my three buddies all around the same time were like, because we had heard some things.
We knew somebody who knew somebody who had a fucking, they went into like cardiac arrest from it.
And we were all like, dude, we need to stop.
and we all just stopped completely um and we haven't touched it since i mean that's over
And we all just stopped completely.
And we haven't touched it since.
fucking like 10 not longer than that probably like 13 14 years ago but that shit's wild to me
to think that like that shit is legal like you can literally just go and buy it and there's just
made in some kids fucking basement and they're just spraying dried flour with a chemical. Like
there's no control over that or anything of that nature. You know, you could get a batch that was
10 times more potent, you know? And I mean, I never like personally like had a, a physical,
uh, trauma from it, but I did feel it like becoming like so addictive that it was like controlling me
you know um that's just wild though i it bodes my mind that's just even legal like can you buy
that in tech could you buy that in texas could you go to a fucking you know like how do they
how do they like get shit like that or is it just like inevitable you got to deal with it
well they i mean most of the time
they would lace it in something um they would lace it in some kind of other narcotic um so we
um we knew buyers or things of that nature but we didn't know exactly how or when they were getting
or where they were getting it you know what i'm saying and again i can't talk too much about it even though i'm retired but um we just know that
they were it was not only k2 that's what they would call it but it was also laced in something
else um whether it be fentanyl or heroin you know i mean not heroin cocaine or something
something other than just the k2 itself so did they like i guess it's just odd like i feel like you can't get
around the fact that if like somebody makes something and labels it and manufactures it as
quote potpourri something that you're supposed to just put in a glass and fucking smell like in your
house like how can they stop people from buying that and smoking it when the people buying it know that that's what it's meant for?
Well, I mean, it's just like...
That's just difficult.
The definition of contraband is something that's been altered from its original state, right?
from something other than its, you know, original state, then yeah, at that point we have,
you know, we can have justification to be able to, uh, now restrain them, you know,
at that point, yeah, you're doing, you're doing harm to yourself. So you may not, uh, go to jail,
but you're going to go to a facility, you know? Um, so yeah. Gotcha. Okay. okay yeah that makes sense i was just like thinking in terms of like
keeping drugs off the street like if a company or if some people were manufacturing that and
they never said it was the smoke you know but people were it's up the people that are the ones
that who get caught are the ones who end up with that contraband type tag right yeah i got
you but you wouldn't be able to like shut down this potpourri business right yeah yeah that's
where i'm like that's tricky that's tricky right yeah i mean a fire can happen somehow someway you
know but yeah yeah fuckers because smell your own potpourri you often i often wonder if that shit
like kinda took away
from my brain power
you know
I saw it in a lot of young
individuals dude
a lot of them I had to drop and put on the floor
you know I mean it's
you know
they just couldn't handle it
they're itchy they're antsy
get your hands out of your pocket get your hands out of your pocket you know, because they just couldn't handle it. They're itchy, they're antsy, you know,
it's like, get your hands out of your pocket, you know, get your hands out of your pocket.
You put your hands in your pocket one more time, you're going to politely go to the floor.
You know, because I don't know if you have a weapon and it takes about a matter of
0.2 seconds to be able to shoot me. And I wasn't one to pull my gun i was one to um fight you know um
so it's those type of individuals they're just real antsy just hands in the pocket oh i got
something here oh i got something there no you because i understand like um what spice has evolved into
with fentanyl and stuff now but i kind of want to ask you about spice let's say if we go back to about 2009 2010 because there was a time before weed became
legal or less criminalized where we have dispensaries and stuff now to where regular
smoke shots before those existed carried spice and k2 legally so if you if you were allowed to talk about it, what were the difference in the ingredients
then that allowed them to legally be in smoke shops? Because back then I took it when I had
it once from a friend and felt like I was going to die. So in my mind, it's equally as dangerous.
So I'm curious to hear what was the difference that allowed it to legally be in smoke
shops then prior to weed being legal and dispensaries existing now? Well, the thing is,
back then, I was in law enforcement, but I was in what I like to call the armpit of law enforcement.
I worked at a maximum prison back then. I wasn't a peace officer then. I had my
TCO license, which is the same state license that you have to hold as a peace officer,
but intended it was for a maximum prison. So back then I was dealing with prison system drugs,
not street drugs. So it's kind of hard to answer that question. I was dealing with
chomos getting stabbed and chomos getting their shit fucking pushed in and bloodbaths and wars and stuff like that in the prison system.
So that's a whole different era for me because I wasn't on the streets then. I wasn't investigating. I wasn't doing my gang intelligence stuff yet.
my gang intelligence stuff yet um you know i was still a part of swat so i guess i got to
transform transform that but i wasn't uh involved in narcotics outside i was involved in narcotics
inside the prison system uh with the dog handlers speaking of dog handlers one of our dogs um here
in the law enforcement overdosed the other day. Luckily they got them to the vet,
but they were doing a room sweep and sure as shit, there was fentanyl in there and poor little
pup went down. I didn't know you could give a dog Narcan. I did not know that. So I guess they had
to do it to some of our dogs. Yeah. Yeah, so I guess they're gonna have to start carrying that because of it being in the facilities, so.
Yeah, we carried Narcan,
back then we carried Narcan in the prison system.
And then each one of us officers had to have
two doses of Narcan on us at all times, ready to go.
See, we have dispensaries for that here, AJ.
We have literally fucking dispensaries.
Like literally, I could go
downtown right now and go get
a can of Narcan for free.
Yeah.
That's a problem. You can go
to the fire department in PA.
Just for fun you know
because anybody can get it.
Wow. Yeah.
Yeah.
AJ's like that's why I don't live here.
Yeah. That's just crazy.
I mean, I'm always down for, you know, I mean.
Did I rug?
Can she hear me? Can you hear me?
I can hear you.
Mama can't.
Can you hear me?
I can hear you.
Okay.
It's just you and me talking now.
Oh, what's up, dog? How you been?
I've been good, bro. How you doing?
Oh, you know, another day, another day. Yeah, I feel up, dog? How you been? I've been good, bro. How you doing? Oh, you know, another day, another dog.
Yeah, I feel that, man.
Just paddling through the surf right now, bro.
Yeah?
Yeah, you know.
I am curious, though.
Did this officer, mama,
I don't know if she can hear us yet,
did this officer survive?
It was a dog, wasn't it?
Yeah. She said it was a dog? Yeah. Oh, that's what you're oh i thought you were talking about the officer that's my my job my uh german shepherd is a
ex-police dog oh i bet it's the best yeah he's uh he's amazing but he's getting old. He was one of my good buddies, a narcotic dog.
He did K2 and weed.
Oh, hell yeah.
What a resume.
I said, what a resume, man.
That's so sick.
I love watching canine videos.
Like, canine YouTube videos. They're so sick. Like, for dogs. I love watching canine videos. Like, canine YouTube videos.
Yeah.
They're so impressive.
Yeah.
Oh, man.
Yeah, dude.
That shit's crazy, though.
Tech was talking about, like, 2009, 2010 era or whatever.
That was about that time.
But it was, like, 2011 for me that I was fucking with that shit.
Yeah.
Back then, I
was in the prison system, man, so I didn't
really fuck with any of the
street narcotics. I never knew
it as K2. I just knew it
as Spice. That was it.
And there was a difference.
I think in different areas, it was called
different things, but down here areas it was called different things.
But down here it was called K2.
It's crazy. This shit was literally in a little fucking square foil bag.
They'd have Green Cobra and Demon and all these different brands or whatever.
It was just in a bag.
And it was just chilling on the shelf in the fucking head shops and gas stations
it's like insane like when when i think about that
whoa wow yeah it's gonna rug watch we got a robotic papa
i think wait if joe mama's a co-host, I know he's still here. Wouldn't it save the space?
