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Presently Present with Mama & Papa 🧸🐝💚
Recorded: May 28, 2025 Duration: 1:44:42Space Recording
Short Summary
The Yeti project is launching an innovative Ice Coin Flip minting event, allowing participants to win NFTs and tokens while boosting community engagement. With strategic partnerships and a focus on liquidity, the project aims for sustainable growth in the competitive crypto landscape.
Full Transcription
Thank you. um hey how's it going hey it's going all right that's good to see you how How's life? I know, right? Yeah.
Yeah.
It's good.
Did you hear?
About?
Did you hear the alpha?
Excuse me?
Did you hear the alpha?
I did not.
Tell me the alpha.
I know.
We are, apparently we're going to be, we're offered spots in the Infinity Royale
we've got
some stuff to go on in there
wait you're
talking about the game right?
the game that they're launching yeah they're actually talking
in the Dragon Punk space right now
and they're talking about us doing what?
I don't know
adding our
like content maybe I know we don't have a project but
it's so funny because we don't have a project we are the project right we're all just community
members that love each other yeah we're the bears. We are. I did not hear the alpha.
Maybe I left before that was dropped.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
But, yeah, so that's the deal.
Nice.
What's going on?
Who's there?
Sorry, I was.
Sorry.
Yes, we will try.
Sorry, I'm trying to message and talk at the same time.
Okay.
Wait, does that make sense?
Yeah.
Yes, I was just responding to a DM.
Because the Mad Queen is coming in today.
We are getting to know the Mad Queen, which I'm super excited about.
So, yeah, she was just saying that she's been having a difficult time with spaces today.
And I feel like that is like the constant sentiment.
Did you see the thing?
What, Jomama?
Do you know something, too?
No, just life being tested right now.
That's what I'm going through right now.
Are you?
Yeah, like, I don't know.
Just being tested.
You can tell us if you want to.
Well, I don't know.
It's stupid, but like...
My stupid browser.
This is fucking annoying, but my browser got updated.
And I'm fucking annoyed.
And there's no revert button to go back on this update.
But anyways.
Dude, I'm telling you. i don't understand why there are
so many so there's a funny thing every time papa and i turn on our tv um sometimes it'll say there's
an update and we look at each other and we're like nope because we're afraid to do the update
because sometimes it makes it worse and one time our tv updated and it's not it was not that old and it wouldn't work anymore
and we're like oh my god right yeah it was not good awful sometimes i think they don't think
about like what the updates are you know what i mean right oh i I don't know. Is that appropriate? I sent, Matt Queen, I sent you
co-host, but I'm learning about you. Is that okay for us to have you co-host or would you prefer it
different? Hi. Yeah, no, I have no problem. I don't know if you, whether you can co-host on
desktop. I'm trying to help today. I know you can't host
from desktop, but I don't know if you can co-host.
Okay.
You can.
It's a little
koojee the way that you have to do it compared
to mobile, but there are
things that you can do.
Oh, she's co-host now.
Yay!
I just love listening to Mad Queen talk.
If I had Mad Queen and Babs together, I don't know.
That would do like something to my brain.
Just like, you know, the calmness with the beautiful accent.
And I don't know.
Maybe I should have you guys do recordings for me at night before I go to sleep.
That would be dope.
Because they have like the most beautiful voices. You guys do recordings for me at night before I go to sleep. That would be dope.
Because they have, like, the most beautiful voices.
Oh, Papa, will you put the space up at the top, please?
Sure.
Thanks.
Get a little bit of momentum going here.
Everybody maybe make a comment.
Today's going to be kind a a fun special day i like fun and special days i don't know about you guys but i like that i don't like fun days
you only like fun days yeah yeah like special days i don't know Sometimes they can be a little much. Are they different?
Yeah.
Okay.
I didn't know.
Yeah.
All right.
Well, how was your day?
Let me check in with you first.
With me?
Well, thank you for asking.
Babe, I always ask you.
I know that's the joke.
You know, okay.
Yeah, been working.
I'm now outside, so I'm on location.
On outside?
What are you talking about?
I'm sitting on our front porch.
Oh, okay, okay.
I'm with you.
I'm like, ask me how your day was i thought you said
you're working now outside and i'm like what is he talking about you don't work outside
sometimes no um no i was i was saying that i was working but now i'm outside. Oh, okay, okay. Got it. There's a breeze going on.
There is.
You know.
Mm-hmm.
Just enjoying it.
It's getting pretty outside.
Yeah.
For sure.
Well, Papa, the Mad Queen is sitting up on stage with us.
Have you ever had the pleasure of meeting the Mad Queen?
I don't believe.
I mean, we've been in a meeting before,
and I think she's been in our space before,
but I don't know that we've really got a chance to talk.
And like, yeah, so I'm looking forward to this.
Yeah.
Hello, Mad Queen.
I love your name too.
It's perfect.
Thank you. That wasn't actually a name that I chose. Originally, when I got into crypto, my name was Queen of Green. No doubt you'll find out a little bit why later.
But yeah, and then obviously, when we took over the project, it didn't feel quite as appropriate to have that name. Just, you know, trying to be neutral and not offend anybody.
And so, yeah, the MAD actually stands for Mutants, Apes and Dekus, which are going to be our three main collections.
And then MAD is like a lot of people say, why are you mad?
Thinking that it's the angry MAD, but it's not.
It's the crazy MAD.
Oh, see, I would have thought it was the crazy mad for sure yeah but i like that it stands for something that's cool yeah it was funny because
last night we were actually talking about that and she was like do you think it's mad as an angry
or mad as in crazy and i'm like i think it's the crazy but well isn't that that's a little more cultural too
because in America we say you're batshit crazy and then in some places overseas they're like are
you mad and I'm like that sounds so much nicer to ask somebody if they're mad you know and they
mean the same thing are you batshit crazy so I don't know I think we all have a little bit of craziness but I like
that I've never done like interview style mad queen so you'll have to forgive me but how was
your day how I know it's very late for you you know it was a good day thank you always busy
people always ask me that how was your day and what did you do? And because I do so many different functions within my role, I can never remember.
It's literally I flip from one to next to, you know, in GPC, then I'm in Yetis and I'm doing a piece of content.
Then I'm speaking to people about collabs. It's just never I can never say that one day was doing one job. So yeah, always busy.
That's the way I like things.
I'm a serial doer.
I can't sit still.
I don't watch TV because it bores me.
So yeah, I just need to constantly be on the go.
And I'm at my most miserable when I've got nothing to do.
Oh, that sounds, yeah that that sounds uh my
mom is like that I call her the energizer bunny she is on a constant go and she's one of those
people she doesn't care if she just met you or if you've been in her life for 22 years um she loves
to boss people around I'm not saying that's how you are but she loves to boss people around and tell them I need this and this. And can you do this for me? And could you bring me this? And, but then she's just so scattered all over the house. And, um, and my mom, she also, I shouldn't say also, she enjoys her, um, marijuana and has forever. Like she's 60s baby. Um, And she'll just smoke and like clean the whole house.
It blows my mind, dude.
She's just like a go, go, goer.
So I always appreciate.
You're doing the right stuff as well.
Exactly.
It's always cool to see how different people respond to things.
And I don't know.
I like to be around people who have
the high energy. So I can't keep up with them. I wouldn't say that I'm a go, go, goer for sure.
But I do agree with you. It's very difficult to tell somebody what you've done in a day,
especially when you're in Web3. It's like, well, I was doing discord and trying to figure out telegram and then I had
to make some announcements on you know x I can only imagine how are all the people in your life
like IRL are they understanding of what it is that you actually do so actually in my like active life um we live work play together 24 7 we have done for eight years
um so and my children I've got two adult children they live um quite a long way away so and I moved
up here to be with him so all of my network and circular people live quite far away. So but it works fine, because you're my soulmate,
and we just get it. So yeah, my kids kind of get what I'm doing. And everybody else who does know
me just knows I'm always hectically busy. And it's funny, you should you you made a connection
there between high energy, and people who are go, go, go. I'm a I'm a go go goer but actually um my personality is
quite low energy I I struggle with stuff like spaces and that because I'm not the person who
brings the hype or brings the um I don't have the gift of the gab but if you ask me about something
that I know about then I can talk forever about it I'd say I'm quite an introvert, actually.
Okay, that makes sense. Yeah, Papa's definitely the introvert in our relationship. But him and I,
exactly, we do the same. It's just us. I mean, my kids are all adults as well. My youngest still
lives here, but he's rarely here. He's always back and forth to Denmark to his relationship with his girlfriend.
So where are you?
Where are you located?
So I actually live in the northeast of England.
Originally, I was born in South Africa.
And I've got an Italian father.
So I'm a bit of a mongrel, really.
But yeah, I moved here when I was a child.
So I did all my schooling here, which is why I've got the accent.
And the baby voice is nice because it lets people think that I'm younger than I am, maybe.
But yeah, I try to stay down with the kids. And sometimes I'm ahead of my children.
And sometimes they're like, Mom, what do you mean you're doing TikTok?
It's like, no, I'm not doing that kind of TikTok it's just for the for the project but
yeah no it's I'm young at heart and Berlin's an old soul like there's quite a bit of an age
difference between us so yeah we balance each other out really well. Okay Berlin I feel like
I've heard that name before but I don't think I've ever seen Berlin around I mean maybe where would I find
Berlin so Berlin is I'm also co-founder of Moon Ape Lab and Yetis he's our strategist he does all
the R&D he does all the tokenomics he comes up with all the game plans and he manages the Yetis
account he does all the AI videos.
But he's definitely not a talker.
So he doesn't even talk in the Discord chats.
You know, he's the quiet, silent, deep thinker type.
So we've got to figure out well there.
Yes.
That's awesome.
See, and me, I'm just kind of like the heart and the, I try to describe myself as like, you know,
Phoebe from Friends, just kind of beating to my own drum. And then you've got Papa, who's very,
he's a real adult and he's like a real thinker and just very technological. And so it's really
funny. We definitely balance each other out. Babe, maybe you and Berlin should be friends.
It would be very quiet,
but at least you guys could be, you know, energy exchanging.
We'll just type back and forth with each other.
That's a good explanation, though.
That's a good explanation though.
Yeah, for sure.
It's funny because Papa had told me that you were from, did you say South Africa?
Is that correct?
Yeah, South Africa.
I still hold my passport, even though I've lived here for the longest time.
And we've been trying to get back to South Africa since 2020.
We were all ready to go
and then COVID happened and said no you don't and it's just been like one thing after the other over
the the last five years that's kind of held us back so one day we do want to go and live in
warmer climates live a much more outdoor life we like space and nature. So yeah, that's the goal. But at the moment,
we've got other things that we need to do first. Yeah, that makes sense. It's crazy how fast
five years flies too. I was talking to a community member of ours and he was talking about making
some changes and he was like, I'll be out for three months. And I'm like, oh my gosh, three
months is nothing. And you think about time and how relative it months. And I'm like, oh my gosh, three months is nothing. Um, and you
think about time and how relative it is. And it's, it's mind blowing sometimes. Sometimes I just can't
think about it too much because then I'm like, oh my gosh, where did the last, you know, 10 years go?
Where did, where did this go? So that's me always trying to work on being presently present. So of
course that's where the name comes to our space um but man that's
that's awesome so do you um do you enjoy you said northern England like do you like it out there or
does it have more of like a wet climate then um it's very beautiful we live in a really nice area
where there's lots of places for us to walk because we do try and get out at least
once a day with the dog to get some fresh air for ourselves and for her but I don't enjoy the
climate it's pretty cold we are having our heating on probably for about 11 months of the year just
because I'm so cold we don't get much above 20 celsius we're lucky. And if it's going to be rainy or snowy,
we're getting it for definite. We're not far from Scotland. So yeah, it's pretty cold up here.
Oh, that makes sense. Okay. Yeah. I can't understand a word of what anybody says
because they've all got such really thick accents and they start talking and I have to pick up like three or four words in a
sentence pads on there I'm near Newcastle so they're all the way I run and I just cannot
understand them I have to ask them to slow down when they talk that's awesome yeah our our co-host
isn't here right now but um one of them because Joe Mama does co-hosting a lot too but memer is actually he
lives in scotland he lives in the highlands and i was just looking at houses there i told papa oh
my gosh we could like get a freaking castle out there i don't know um i just i like to be in
other places yeah you're right in your castle at scot's lovely. It is really pretty. But yeah, cold and remote, very far from everything.
Right, right. I'm like, oh, yeah, Papa is not a fan of the cold either. I don't think he cares as much about the cold. He just doesn't like the rain.
And we live in Washington State. So we have a lot of rain here, though I would say that our summers are getting better um it's going
to be a good place for climate change but he does not like gray skies and he does not like to get
wet he is like you definitely do not want to go to Scotland then because it's always raining and
it is always gray that was the thing I noticed the most when I used to have to go work there
it's just always gray you get off the plane and it's gray.
And then you go into the city and it's gray.
Then you go into the hospital and you come out of the hospital and it's gray.
It's just always gray.
Well, Papa, we can knock that one off the list.
Maybe I'm not supposed to visit or something.
But yeah, definitely.
Yeah, definitely. Definitely. I'm enjoying, I enjoy blue skies.
I enjoy blue skies.
Yeah.
Clouds are okay, but you know, just not the blanket of this gray.
You know who has a lot of blue skies is Scottsdale, Arizona.
Been there.
Not doing that?
No, not so much.
But I mean, they got blue skies, right babe?
That is true
But they also don't have a cloud in the sky at all
Oh, so it's just blue
It's literally just blue sky
Unless you've got the monsoon storms coming in
Oh my god, can you, the monsoon storms coming in.
Oh, my God.
Can you imagine the smell of that, though?
I love the smell of dirt.
I know that sounds weird, but if you've ever had, like, really, really hot days and then it rains, I love the smell of the soil and the dirt.
It just, oh, that smell is like no other.
And you get that in the South, I feel like.
Yeah, I mean, it is coming there in Arizona.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Okay, so the Mad Queen, I have to tell you, I've had several people ask me on the timeline.
They're like, what is, because, you know, I shared the Yetis today.
Because, you know, we want to showcase the Yetis with the Green Pill Collective. And I thought, you know, I would just share that.
And I've had a couple of people reach out to me and they're saying that they don't understand how
to do the mint. And I was wondering, since this is your project, if you would explain to anybody,
maybe what it is that they think that they're missing or not understanding, that would be awesome.
Okay, so do they give any context?
They want to understand what the mince for or they want to understand how to mince?
That's a good question.
I'm going to go look at the message right now.
I've had a couple of people.
I've had a couple of people.
Who was it, right here, hey mama bear,
hope all is well, just wondering if you know why I maybe am having issues to mint,
is what they said. Okay, so a couple of things, we typically build for desktop. So that would be the first thing, just make sure they're trying to mint from desktop. There is a fee, so they need to check that they have enough
fees in their wallet, which would be less than 0.01 Solana. And if they've already minted one, it is a limit of one per person. That may be why they
can't. But they're more than welcome to just drop us a DM. We'll sort it out for them. It's no bother
at all. And in terms of what the mint is for, so prior to the Yeti, when we wanted to launch the
Yetis, we really wanted to use Magic Eden Launchpad.
And when we contacted them, they said that we needed to have as many followers as we have NFTs in the collection.
So we know how hard it is to get followers, especially with the bear market, the way that it's been.
So we came up with what we thought was a novel idea of how we could increase that follower count.
And so the Yeti Mint is a free mint.
Sorry, the Ice Coin Flip is a free mint.
And it's a win or lose. You can either win a free mint Yeti for the main collection or ice tokens.
Or you'll get a roasting from the ice crystal crystal but it also doubles up as a whitelist
and the reason we created that free mint collection was that we made it one follow
equals one mint and hopefully that'll get our follower count up because it would be easy to
just go and buy a load of followers but that's counterproductive because that variable's in
place by Magic Eden to make sure you're going to have a successful mint,
or at least give you a better chance at a successful mint.
So that's what we've been doing for the last three or four months
is just growing the community organically,
connecting with people who like what we're doing,
who understand the game that we're about to present to them.
the game that we're about to present to them.
And yeah, so the free mint should over time get us to the follower count
that we need to then launch the main collection.
And in the process, it's kind of like a white list with prizes
is what we've done with the free mint.
And we added that little amount of fees we just added to stop people botting it or you get these big you get these servers where they're full of people, maybe from third world places that just come in and they it spoils it because it defeats the object of this particular mint, which is to gain the follower traction.
which is to gain the the follower traction so we just put that little bit of fees in and and those
fees will all go back into the lp so you know the play the the people who mint and who come into the
yeti project will still get that feedback even though it's so small oh that's so smart i didn't
even realize that so in order for you to have a collection on certain platforms you actually have
to have a certain amount of following is Yeah, so each platform is slightly different,
and they obviously come with a different audience.
So Magic Eden for Solana probably is the biggest platform,
and that's their criteria.
So they vetted us.
We had to complete really long forms, And then the outcome was everything's fine. But your follow account needs to be made, you know, created a good network of people, then that gives us all the best chance of having the success.
That is brilliant.
I have no idea.
But I do like the organic growth.
And I totally, I have so much respect for you on this because I can tell you there are so many projects that I know that pay for bots.
And I'm sure, you know, you've been in this space before, but I tell people to observe and not absorb.
There's a lot of energy that happens in everyday life.
And there's a lot of energy that is being transferred and just in general on X and within crypto Twitter and within, you know, projects.
And I think that as humans, we often want to just go to these huge accounts that have hundreds of
thousands of followers or tens of thousands of followers. And we tend to go and follow them, but very little are we ever engaged back with. And if you were to pay
attention to how people's numbers are moving, you would know that it's all smoke and mirrors anyway.
So that's always been a huge frustration of mine. And honestly, it's something I had to learn
from being in accounts and helping with the monetization process and helping with getting people's accounts and good health and things like that.
I just noticed.
I'm like, gosh, my engagement's better than some of these people's.
And it wasn't me saying that I was doing better than them.
It's the fact of me seeing that they're paying for, you know, 1.3 thousand followers a day to come in and it's wrecking their accounts. But as humans,
we get so excited about these numbers and we're like, oh my gosh, that person has so many followers.
They must be amazing. But the reality is, is their account is such low quality. They don't
give a shit about you and they're not engaging with you or bringing anything to you.
So I'm hoping that changes.
And I was talking to Papa about the fact that I, over time, I want to invest in people and not just in their project.
Because I can go to spaces and I don't know if you remember the back in the day of the
AMAs, right?
Where you go to the AMAs and they're like, this is what we have planned.
And our roadmap, roadmacks kill me now.
I'm like, oh God, don't talk about a roadmap.
Because it's brought trauma to this situation, right?
Or let me get you into this pre-sale and don't talk about the pre-sale but
there's a pre-sale um just all of these things that have really put a bad taste in my mouth and
i know in a lot of other people's mouths so um i think we all learned probably quite a lot through
the bear market because well i won't speak for, but for a lot of us, 2021 was our first bull market.
And, you know, so that was our first experience and everything was crazy. We did all follow the
influencers. And then you saw through the bear market that those people just started drifting
off and they weren't showing up. And I think that's the thing that I struggle with the most in Web3 is that
I see all the people that are working, all the people who really,
really care about their communities.
They just want to do something great in the space and they grind and they grind
and they just their voices aren't heard or they just don't get the support,
or the community doesn't understand that the team cannot make it work. They can only do the work,
but the community has to talk about the work. And then you see these people with them, like you say,
the big following accounts, or they've got a lot of hype around them because they've got the hypey vibe going on.
And then it amounts to nothingness.
And it frustrates me so much because, you know, I'm one of those that works really hard.
And I just don't feel like we've had a fair outcome for all of the work that we've put in.
So, yeah, it's very, very, very frustrating. And especially when you know that you put your
best in and you've created a real quality product. And then you see a rock or something selling for
$20,000. And you're like, what the F? So yeah. You're like, wait a second, I have a fucking
banana in my pantry. I could easily go tape that on the wall. I mean, yeah, you're right. Things are, things are crazy. I feel like it's funny because Papa's talked to me a few times about having a
project and I do not, I'm mortified of having a project. First of all, I see people who do things
quote the right way and there is no wrong or right way. In my opinion, there's a right way by doing things in an honorable fashion.
I'm talking about having a project, staying in contact with your community,
following through with things that you say that you're going to do,
or just calling it exactly like it is.
Like this is just a shit coin, right?
But I see these people who are really working hard, you know, who are artists out in the field and, you know, putting their heart into it or a project.
Exactly.
That is trying and working hard and trying to change the meta.
And they are so undervalued.
And it sucks.
And I do have to say, I do appreciate everybody in the Green Pill Collective because I feel like you guys are the pioneers. And I think that even though there's all the hype and all the bullshit about
all the other projects, like you said, the ones that have the really high following that are
paying for a lot of bots, the ones that are, you know, the top of the top and we can't be messed with and things like that,
those are not going to be here for the long term.
I really believe that.
I know that we see some that just kind of do a rinse, wash, and repeat.
Next, they're doing the next money laundering.
They're doing the next liquidation on you. But I think overall when all the normies come here
and we get a lot of people from the outside
world that come in, they're not going to be interested in the hype things. I hope, that's my
hope. My hope is that they have a safe place to land and that they have a safe place to look at
that's already vetted, right? Like the Green Pill Collective where they can come in and I can feel safe to have my elderly
lady neighbor come over. And I'm just like, hey, if you've heard about crypto, this is a phenomenal
project. The Yeti's over here, the Mutant Sheba, whatever it is, and I can feel comfortable
handing her that information so that she's not being given here's the wallet address send as much as
you can here if you don't you're not going to make it in life and you're a piece of shit
and um if you don't wear this pfp you're a loser we're going to block you let's all mass report
you know what i mean like who wants to if we want crypto to withstand the times like why would we
expect anybody to want to deal with that bullshit?
I mean, I sure wouldn't.
Well, this is the upside
of now coming into a second cycle
for those of us who are here
for the second time
is that I'm exactly the same.
I invest in founders.
I've got to like the art as well,
but I 100% invest in founders.
And if I see a project that I like the art,
but there's something not quite right, or I think it's just a hype project, I'm not here for the
flips. If I want to flip, I'm going to go and buy meme coins. If I'm buying art, I'm buying art and
I'm buying the people that have shown that they showed up alongside me while I was here working,
that they showed up alongside me while I was here working or they've delivered x y and z
because they're committed to the cause and they're not just here to extract or make their
quick mint and you know eight chain um started out with the just for fun and it kind of like
exonerated them from any responsibilities or any after work. And that I think is the big
difference between a CTO. I say this quite often, you know, CTOs get a little bit of a bad rap
in as much as that they're almost seem to be lesser than. But if you actually strip it back,
CTOs are more than because they haven't taken the funds, the funds have been
extracted by another team of people, that team of people weren't prepared to do the work and stick
around and build and continue on. They just came for that short term return. And a CTO team,
typically will be left with minimal funds. And they do all of the work to build what people actually spent their money for in the first place.
So, you know, I have a lot of respect for CTOs. It's extremely difficult.
And if anybody said to me, Rick, if anybody said to me, oh, I'm going to take over a project, I would say actually don't find an
artist and go and start your own. Because all of that financial extraction and the hype around
the value of the NFT has been taken, it's been used once already. And so now you've got to really
build on longevity, you've got to have a patient community, you've got to flex to the market,
to the demands. And we've all seen that it's moved from the NFT hype that we loved, because
everything was just buzzing and there was fun everywhere. And it's now all moved to this casino
mentality. And how can I get money out quick enough? And how do I make $5 on this NFT?
And we kind of lost, NFTs are about art.
Otherwise, you may as well just have a meme coin.
So I'm just waiting for the day where art is appreciated,
that it becomes about collecting something that a group of you all love,
collecting something that a group of you all love, whether it's Pokemon cards or Mutant Sheebers or a meme coin NFT even.
But just like really getting stuck into that, not the short term, short attention span mentality that's around at the minute.
And we really get into supporting the art supporting the artists supporting what
we can do with the art the plans of the team and and then getting behind them so they can actually
deliver it that's what nft should be and yeah i think that they have a huge amount of utility
that's not being explored yet or not being taken seriously yet and hopefully one day that will happen and and these guys everybody who's been around working
for that moment will finally get what they worked for right no that's very well said it's funny i
was just about to message papa and be like you hear that um because we're actually on the board
of a project and i don't know how to say this any
other way but the fact that we have money that goes out every single month in order to keep us
afloat nobody's making any money they're basically all holding their dicks in their hands waiting for
somebody to come save them and it's crazy to me because there's so many people that are huge investors in it and there's never going to be enough.
Do you know what I mean?
And that's my point to pop up because we've talked about, quote, CTOing something and really working hard because the art was cool and it was such a nostalgic.
You know, it was my first project that I whitelisted on.
And, you know, those nights where I was grinding over and over
and over again, when Lambo, let's fucking go. Like it was back those days, right? You know,
because you get your points. And then I stood out because I was older and a female, which
whether you guys like it or not, there's not a lot of females in this space. And I stood out to them.
So they were like hey come on you know
be a dow signer i'm like i have no idea what the hell that is all right let's do this um and i got
further and further into it now i'm the internal vice president and i'm the secretary and papa's
the chief what are you babe i'm the cto yeah so you don't even know what the fuck this stuff means
and i'm not business savvy in
any way, shape or form, but me, I just am like, let's do something with this. And everybody just
wants to sit around and they're like, oh, we're going to be saved by this amazing person who's
well known within the industry. And the reality is even if Papa and I went to them and said, hey,
let us have this, you know, it's doing nothing anyway.
We're working on shit damn near over two years now.
It would never be enough.
You know, well, the investors wouldn't be happy in that.
Well, that's, it's not doing anything anymore.
So I appreciate you saying that because I'm like, you hear Papa?
You hear?
No, that's right.
So Mad Queen, did you say that you actually were involved with the CTO?
Yes.
So, shall I do a quick whistle stop of what happened there?
Yeah.
It's whatever you're comfortable with.
I don't mind talking about anything.
This is actually quite nice because I'm an unintentionally private person.
And what I mean by that is whenever I'm speaking, I just always want to take the opportunity to talk about the project because that's what I see as most important.
But I do realise that it's nice for people to know who I am.
And if you're in the community, you get to see a bit more of that.
But publicly, I'm quite business, you know, I'm focused on the business.
So I joined Moon Ape Lab right when they were minting in January 2022 as a holder.
We were all going mad for this project. It was they had the most amazing roadmap with all these promises on it and the discord was you know there were two three
four hundred people in there 24 seven it was just on the go all the time and they created this play
to earn um model for the for the moon apes so berlin and i jumped in we'd actually gone over
to solana because we'd got we'd had enough of ETH fees but this project
just you know really stood out to us so we minted um in January we played the game hard you know we
thought we were being super clever with moving stuff to this wallet to maximize how many moon
egg colas we were going to get and if we did this we were going to get moon pets and you know we just thought we were being really clever strategically with this play to earn and um april 1st 2022
we really so sorry before that i got well into this community so i became an unofficial mod
and none of the mods were paid but because I knew everything about the project
and I'd started getting to know people that they kind of gave me this role just one day I woke up
and I was in another there's another channel open to me and now I was answering tickets and all that
kind of stuff and then April 1st came and there'd been some rumblings like for a couple of weeks beforehand where the founders were a bit inactive.
And then we saw that the community manager, we don't even to this day know what everybody's roles were and who was involved with what.
But the community manager was selling off his NFTs, his moon apes, and he was undercutting the floor.
So there's this silence and then this sales activity
and then there was these big transaction moves of eth from the community wallet going out
and so there was lots of rumblings and people were talking about a rug and all this kind of thing and
even as mods we couldn't get hold of the team and then april 1st it kind of all went down where everybody we'd uncovered a lot of
information that confirmed what we suspected and there was just one founder well I won't say there
was just one founder yeah one public facing founder because we retained the artist but one
public facing founder who stood and stayed and and faced the. And what he did in the first instance was he said that he was going to hand the project
over to the two senior mods in the community.
Well, by this time, I was probably about 30 grand in on the project.
And I have a business background.
I have 20 years of country level management under my belt and so i'm like looking
at this looking at my investment and going no there's no way i want these 20 something year
olds managing my investment and what's going to happen next with the project so i pulled a load
of people off into a separate server and they were people who were respected within the community the majority of the whales
people with web 3 experience and then people with web 2 skills that would be necessary for us to
take over the project and I think at that time there were about 26 of us over there
and as you can imagine there are coat tailors who are just coming along for the glory but don't want
to do the work.
So we kind of wheedled them off over time.
But we spent about, I think it was about two weeks just strategizing.
And initially it was the whales who were saying, OK, well, let's at least slow things down a bit.
If we don't sell, then that doesn't panic the community and it keeps things a little bit stable while we're figuring out a plan.
So all the whales agreed we weren't going to dump our bags.
And we came up with a plan to to present to this founder that stuck around.
And we had a long call with him. The artists weren't involved in anything that had gone down.
So they agreed to stick with us and um about six weeks later we
did all the documents and we got everything transferred they gave us literally everything
we all doxxed as a team and um the night before everything was supposed to be finalized we noticed
at our you know this new team's dev spotted that they moved another 27 eath that
was in a wallet they hadn't declared so it was at that point I kind of said right um that 27
eath goes back in before I wake up or the deal's over and you can deal with whatever's coming
to you because we were saving their asses really we had community members ready to get on planes
and go and hunt these guys down so um yeah all of that happened he stayed on actually for about
I'd say it was about three to six months um consulting me um just doing everything handover
making sure the dev had everything that he needed um I can't fault him. He was really forthcoming and helpful.
So there's a strong possibility that he wasn't directly involved. But we did then find out
somebody came into our discord and showed us that there was this full report written about a group
called the Mafia Rug. And within that six month period that Moon Apes got caught
up in it, they did 170 rugs. And Moon Apes was one of them. And I believe that we're the only
one that was CTOed. So yeah, that was that feels like such a long time ago. I don't even think
about those guys anymore. Because what we've done is way, you know, they were there three months
and we've been there three years and three months.
So, you know, I see Moon Ape Lab as this team who is here.
I don't think of us as a CTO, but technically we are.
Holy crap.
What were you going to say, Papa?
I was going to say, wow, that's a pretty cool story.
That many drugs, though?
Wow.
I mean, yeah.
That's sickening, dude.
It is.
Yeah, there was very much a copy-paste going on,
because I believe that they modeled the
Moon Ape Lab of creeps.
I don't know if creeps are still going, but it was a very, very similar model and we felt
that maybe there was something going on there as well, but they didn't want to talk to us
creeps.
Yes.
So I guess what would be, what would you say your biggest challenge maintaining things
like over the time, how has that been?
Yeah, I think probably the thing that's hurt us the most over the three years has been
the fact that we needed so much time to rebuild because building a 3d
collection isn't a two week or three week or four week project it's a two year project and so in
that meantime with minimal funds you have to be really frugal you have to be really careful with
your budgeting and you have to make sure that everything that you do isn't going to limit how long you can do it for.
So we came up with loads of creative ways to keep the community engaged.
We did loads of rewards.
A lot of the so this play to earn that they created, it actually generated four or five additional collections.
It was silly really so you know you've got your moon ape and then by staking it you then get pets and then by staking
your pets as well you get loot bags and then you can swap your loot bags for cola bottles and then
your cola bottles become mutants and so there were all these collections and they weren't small
collections that were really your rewards for staking,
but people didn't really cotton on to that.
And then all the shit went down.
And, of course, everything got dumped and then they got devalued.
So it was really important for us to tidy things up
and streamline all of the collections.
So we stripped it all the way back down to the moon egg genesis which is the
2d collection and the mutants and then everything else we found an alternative use for them or we
found a way to exchange them for something else so there's like a treasury nft which was linked to
the lp that they fudged.
And so anybody holds a treasury now,
when we launch our second collection, the Dekus,
when we launch those, they can exchange that for a freement there. And they were promised 3D avatars if they had all of the pets.
And we said, okay, well, if you've got all the set of pets,
we'll do a unique 3d wearable for for all
those guys and then we burnt the the pets and the loot bags for other rewards and then we've done
two big events for staking events with the tokens that the holders were earning um because we
rewrote the staking contract so it was just for the genesis and mutants and then we've done two huge events where i think we gave away like it was a minimum of fifty thousand dollars worth of nfts over those
in each event they were about a year apart so you know it was about keeping the community
interested while we needed to take the time to build the 3Ds. So yeah, it's been a challenge.
And obviously, of course, when there's a rug, you lose a huge amount of the community. They don't
really care what you're about to do or who the new team is or what their intentions are. It's like,
I've been rugged, it's over, I'm done. You know, just ghost the project so we I we lost a lot of people
via that route then you add on top of that the bear market where people drifted off and they
went back to doing normal life because discords were taking over their lives and they realized
they needed to you know hone in a little bit which is a blessing in a way because it allowed
us that time to build but it also then
means you've got to rebuild that community once you're ready and and that i think has been the
hardest because we've got we've got a really nice community we've had zero fud at a touchwood
uh we've had zero fud we've been i think that comes because we've been completely transparent
we've done everything that we said we would do and we said we would do a lot but we've been, I think that comes because we've been completely transparent. We've done everything that we said we would do.
And we said we would do a lot, but we've done it all.
And, you know, just down to the small things that were approachable, anybody can access us.
People get instant responses.
And the community that has stuck around, they're just, you know, they are solid.
Everybody understands the project.
They understand what
we're doing we have a ledger on our discord which documents every single penny that we spend and
what we spend it on so you know we haven't given anybody any reason to fud us but that doesn't mean
that we're just plain sailing because that community pool has just got a whole lot smaller. And then, you know, the rest is history of what's happened in NFTs in general.
Right, right.
Now, okay.
But now, that was Moon A Blab, but Yetis,
that's a separate thing that you are starting up?
that's a separate thing that you are starting up yes so um we launched the 3d avatars in march
last year didn't go as planned um obviously we saw the end product and we we've got industry
experts to kind of um quality check them if you like and we were told that we built stuff to
really really high standard and they look great and we all fell in love with them and they got great personalities and so
yeah we just obviously thought they were going to fly off the shelves and they didn't um so
while we were kind of still trying to generate this interest in what we were doing by all manner of events and activities and incentives.
Berlin obviously was watching the market all of the time and artists we've actually we had two
collections in our back pocket at that time that the artists had created for us. One was the Yeti
collection and the other is the Deku collection. And looking at what the market was doing and how Pump.fun and the launchpad on Magic Eden even,
and then these newer layer two chains coming in with a much lower priced NFTs,
just to align with what was going on in the meme coin market.
And that people were, you know, I think they were overinvested in NFTs.
And it's like, I'm not spending $300 on an NFT mint anymore,
but I'll go and buy $10, $20 NFTs and spend $200.
So, you know, there was quite a shift in the market and the dynamic
and what people really saw the value of an NFT being.
And so what we wanted to do was create something that while we built out this real long-term
vision of the lab, which includes animation studios, short animated films in the future,
the metaverse, obviously, when it's ready. In the meantime, we needed something
to be using our skills for and maybe just generate a little bit of income for us because
none of us have been paid for the last three years. I'm full-time for Moon Apes, full-time plus,
I would say. And so we needed, you know, you can't do that perpetually forever a lot of us have
expired our savings and that kind of stuff so yeah we wanted to create something that was relevant
to what people were interested in in the moment without going down the 404 route because we wanted
to keep the flexibility for any type of collector whether you love mean coins or you love nfts we
want both to be accessible and so we created this meme coin nft which allowed a much quicker
turnaround mentality to survive in there so every time that you purge you mint an nft you get you
mint the tokens the tokens get minted alongside it.
And every time you buy a Yeti NFT on secondary, you generate more tokens.
So it really keeps that flow of, without putting into staking,
even though there will be staking, without locking everything up,
you can constantly play with your coins and your NFTs throughout the Yeti game. So
a much more short attention span project to keep us busy, keep things going, you know,
hopefully you'll see some overlap where people see what we're doing in Yetis and they come over to
Moon Apes and vice versa. So really just using our skills, demonstrating that we're not a one trick pony,
we want to be cross chain. So this is us kind of getting into Solana. And yeah, it's tough.
I'm not going to lie, it is really, really tough. If you don't have that huge,
groupie following, it's really hard to get the the excitement going and it's very localized so
i can talk one-on-one to people or i can talk on a spaces and people go yeah that's great
but it's just so so small compared to what we need so yeah it's tough it's tough. It's not easy. I'm not going to say it's easy. Yeah, the...
You know, it seems every day, it seems like Web3 is just...
It's just built on hype, right?
And who can hype the best and sell the best game?
They're like a bunch of lawyers, Papa.
You know, it's the best narrative. Whoever lies the best wins.
Pretty much.
Only, like, who can say we're going to go to the moon, right?
The moon.
Do you know the other thing that I noticed over the shift that happened between 2021 and now?
over the shift that happened between 2021 and now is that in 2021,
I found, and this may just be because I'm now a founder,
but I found that in 2021, 2022, I was in a lot of communities,
like a lot of communities and actively involved in a lot of communities.
And what I feel now is people really have found their favorite
and it's kind of like this is this is my my product this is my project that I stand behind
behind and you know that's where they spend the majority of their time and they kind of flit
into the other ones maybe and just have a quick glance of of the announcements and stuff but
you know instead of getting really involved in 10 or 15 projects,
people are getting really involved in their favorite one, two or three.
And then everything else is kind of like, oh, yeah, I'll see what happens.
I'll flick, you know, I'll have a couple of NFTs there and see if they do anything with it.
So it's very much quite closed communities, I feel, a bit more than it was in 2021.
I can see that. I think one might be like whatever really resonates with them.
You know, like, for example, with me, with the bears, right, the bearish.
To me, I'm like, you know, hey, I'm a Papa Bear, so maybe I should be a bear, right?
And just, I love the fact that they're builders, right?
So that part really, I enjoy.
And they've got pirate hats, so that's a big plus too.
But...
Anybody wants their collection,
you got to have a pirate hat for Papa.
He'll be there.
Exactly.
Exactly.
but,
but you're,
you're right in the fact,
I think it's also,
maybe it's,
it's a thing of like,
it was,
it got too overloaded,
right?
People are like,
oh my God,
I can't keep up with,
with all these discords you know we're just
all just going from one place to one place to one place anyway so you know i'm i'm gonna stick with
my people here maybe see what's going on over there and that and a little bit and checking in
see oh do i like that do i like their vibe do i like their the art whatever okay but that's about it right
they have their home so i don't know i don't know absolutely right and that's great because
probably going through a bear market you need you need that cool community that base of people that
just always champion you always show up always waving the pom-poms um and and that's
what we just need to grow is we need more people like that to be exposed to the good projects uh
the good founders the ones that've got the right intentions and you know slowly i think people will
get fed up of gambling and losing but you know that web3 is an interesting place. There's no playbook. There's no playbook
to follow that you know, you can pretty much gauge where you're going to land. I come from
a very corporate background. For anybody who doesn't know, I worked in the medical devices industry. So I started out as a
sales rep for Johnson and Johnson and was fast tracked into management. This was all while I
was a single mom of two girls. I built up a career and I left in 2018 as country manager for some
really big blue chip companies.
So everything was very structured.
I was given a lot of freedom to implement my own sort of processes
and way of working, but huge responsibility.
But you knew that if you sent your sales team to do X, Y and Z
and it was easy to manage the route.
Whereas Web3, two founders, two projects can take the exact same
route and get completely different outcomes so that is a real challenge i would say and web3
marketing is nothing like web2 marketing either oh gosh web3 marketing makes me sick yeah i can't
tell you it's funny because again buying on a green, which we laugh
at, right? When we're out here trading, we're like, never buy on a green candle. But as my account has
grown, now all of a sudden, all these people who I wanted their attention so badly want to talk to
me. They want to talk to me in the DMs. They want to offer me NFTs. They want to offer me coins.
They want to, can you be a KOL? I don't even know what the fuck that means, bro. And I'm surely not going to put
your shit out there unless I know that it's safe because ultimately that comes back on me,
but it's funny because it doesn't. And that's where we need to change shit. So you have these
people out here who have a certain threshold, their audience, whatever it is that they think is enough for you to be considered a KOL.
You then put the information out there.
People get dumped on.
People might be mad for 22 minutes and 33 seconds and it's over.
Like it's insane.
And I think that's where things really need to change.
We really need to start talking about this, about how these people who are out here pushing these projects, they are getting allocation. If you
don't know what allocation is, really start learning, start figuring out the actual process
of what it is that you're fully immersed in. Because when I get allocation, then a bunch of people buy after me.
I'm essentially on top of them.
So they are then pumping my bags. Then these KOLs go and sell.
And all of that gets dumped on you.
And you lose.
And I don't know why people don't understand this.
But I really think that it's about teaching.
And really, because there's no accountability anywhere, really.
You know that this whole KOL thing in Web3 makes me cringe so much because for so many reasons, like in business, in in real life business, a KOL is somebody who's earned the respect.
They're an expert in their field.
They are the gold standard. They're definitely not self-proclaimed. They don't give themselves
the title of KOL. They've proven themselves as the leader in their particular field. And
so for anybody to be a KOL in Web3, I find pretty ridiculous. I'm not going to lie.
And I hate that term. I really do hate that term. Like, just do your thing, do it well. And if you
do, then, you know, people should come eventually. Exactly. There's no KOL linked to the number of
followers that you have. Like that is not the definition of you don't qualify as a KOL just because you've got 20,000 followers.
Exactly. Exactly. And it's funny you say that, too, because I go to spaces like listening to Rick or I listen to Big Man or I listen to Crypto Stoner.
I listen to tech. All of these people have different, they all bring something,
right? D-bros. These are all actual builders in the space. And to listen to all of these
different perspectives and what they're good at amazes me. I'm like, why don't they have 2 million
followers? But it's, again, people don't, I don't know what it is. It's really hard. And I think that it's going to take a lot of effort to break that cycle by actually
being appreciative and lifting people up who are actually doing something worthwhile.
And most importantly, it's all perspective, right?
My perspective can be like, oh, D-Bros is the best thing since sliced peanut butter.
And somebody else can be like, oh, D-Bros doesn't know what the hell they're doing, right?
That is a perspective.
But I am an action speak louder than words kind of thing.
My grandma always told me that.
You know, showing is better than telling.
And what I have seen is I see that these people like CryptoStoner and D-Bros, these people are not hurting others.
So that's why I always really, really push that observe, don't absorb, because it's so
important that we do that in life in general, but especially when you're talking about money.
Like, come on, you guys, there's money involved here. Stop letting these people have this hold over you. I
don't understand the concept of it. So yeah. T-WAP's messaging me. Yeah. Those pieces of shit.
That's my son, by the way. Yeah. Stop messaging me. You're messing me up up I'm not a monologuer either um queen uh so I was going to
ask you is there anything that you wanted to share with us that maybe like you said you're
you don't like to share personal stuff you said that first of all your boss holy shit um you
worked in the corporate world single mom worked your way up um do you miss that job is that something that was just part of that journey
you know I absolutely do not miss that job at all I I don't think I will ever work for somebody else
again um once you are full-time for yourself and you know I think it depends on the person as well
like you've got to have some kind of motivation in yourself to go, you know, fully on your own. But the freedom that it gives me, I work more hours
in a day than I did doing that job. And I work long hours doing that job. But I do it because
I choose to. And I do it when I choose to. You know, there's no alarm clock. If I want
to get up at 10 o'clock in the morning, I get up at 10 o'clock in the morning, but I'll still be
working at two o'clock in the morning. So, you know, and I love, I love what I do. So that all
makes a huge difference. I just can't imagine putting on high heels. I can't imagine wearing a suit painting my nails we are just all natural here i live in
trackies um you know the hair goes up or it goes down it just doesn't matter because i'm only
focused on the work not how i look or yeah yeah it's it's just very liberating. And I could never go back to working for a business again, I don't think.
Yeah.
You know, it's funny.
When you said that you were a country manager, I was like, are we talking to the prime minister or something?
I didn't realize you were talking to me for a second there, but I get it now.
Yeah.
I was like Googling it. i'm googling it i'm like oh gosh we have the prime minister on stage okay sure we'll just call it national sales manager
if that if that categorizes it better for you yeah i was responsible for the whole of the
the um business for the uk and all of the sales team and all the departments that sat underneath
that so yeah what the business delivered was on my head
makes sense hey babe that's a that's a boss ass bitch i don't know if we're let's say that
anymore but i just said it so um yeah aspire to be right. Gosh, that's crazy. I, and it's funny because that's another thing
that I really, really, I think we have to tread very lightly in web three and on crypto Twitter,
seeing all of the things that we see, right? We see these huge accounts. We see these PNLs of, you know, I just made $822,000 in the
last 15 minutes. We see everybody, you know, with their Rolexes and their fancy cars and their
yachts. And I'm just like, do people really believe this shit? And I have to say at the beginning,
I did too. And I was thinking I'm only three clicks away from
generational wealth holy shit and unfortunately that is still what's really really pushed
and I think that we have a lot of people in this space specifically not in our space but in general
who are in a desperate place and having that kind of information,
whether you're from a third world country or maybe you've had some trials and tribulations,
maybe you believe in something more than just what the government has to offer. I think we have that,
you know, like a large amount of people with that same mindset and they come here and they're being
told all of these things. If you wear this PFP, this will
happen. If you do this click, this will happen. If you invest into this, this will happen. And
I have to wonder why it is that people blindly continue to follow this crap over and over and
over again. But I think it's because of hope. And I think that every human wants to have some type of hope.
And that's why oftentimes we have a higher power or a higher belief, whether it's the universe, God, Allah, whatever your higher power is.
It's because it provides you with hope.
And I think that that's where things can get really tricky here in this space.
And that's why I tell people all the time to really observe because it's so easy.
I mean, can you imagine you live in a third world country and you're told, okay, if you
do this, you can monetize your account.
Your monetization is going to pay your whole year's worth of your apartment for rent.
All you have to do is post.
All you have to do is re-quote post this and support this person.
But the reality is, is that blue check mark that you're paying for,
you can barely even afford.
And maybe that's taking food off of your plate.
And all you're doing is then lifting somebody else up.
So it's awful to me.
It's scary to me. and it's very sad. And I think
that it's just more and more people are coming in and it's another rinse and repeat. And it's,
it's hard to watch. It is. And I can't, and I, and I know a lot of people know the previous project
I was with, which actually coincidentally enough, um, today that, um that old PFP of mine sold.
And I gave it adequate time.
I always had hope.
I always had hope that that PFP and that project would be representative of something better down the way.
I always had hope that if I wore that PFP, that they could see how amazing just I was behind the PFP and that I didn't move
like everybody else. But we have to be careful because what we are showing and what we are
representing, people oftentimes associate you with somebody else's naughtiness or somebody else's
demise. So I don't know. It's been a very, very interesting journey for sure.
I've had people come to me and I think, oh, they're amazing. And they're just like family. And
Papa, please go and invest in them. And the next thing you know, I'm being, you know,
ostracized and made fun of and have spaces about. I'm like, wow, I didn't know it was that important.
have spaces about. I'm like, wow, I didn't know it's that important. So I don't know. I don't know.
It's interesting because we just, I will go over this. I think we just really, really need to work
on providing a better and safer environment. And that's what I think the Green Pill Collective is.
We have to do that. We have to make it bigger. We need to spread the word.
We need to bring other people in and just show them that this is the other option. You don't
have to just go with the shit. You know, you can come here to this option. We're not going to put
others down. We only lift each other up and see how it goes from there. So, man, I don't know.
That's tough. No, you're absolutely right. And there's also this thing of, like, everybody's being squeezed, you know, financially, globally.
Forget Web3.
Everyone's being squeezed.
And there aren't many options to help yourself.
And so when people do come across crypto and they hear somebody else say, oh yeah, I've made some money here. They take the gamble.
They take the gamble with stuff they haven't gotten, they get wrecked.
And then they they're off to tell their mates how shit crypto is.
So yeah, it's, we need to change the story.
We need to change the expectations and yeah, then people,
there's this thing that I remember when I was younger,
somebody said to me that, um, when, when a doctor gives you medication.
And they say to you, okay, I'm going to give you this medication to treat your stomach ulcer, but it's going to give you headaches.
Then when you get the headaches, you're like, oh yeah.
Okay. Well, that's just from the, the medication.
It's fine.
I understand.
And you deal with the headache.
Whereas if the doctor didn't tell you you were going to get headaches, you take the
medication for your stomach, and then you get the headaches and you go, oh my God, these
tablets give me headaches, I'm going to stop taking them.
So it's that whole laying out the expectations.
People need to understand that, that you know some projects are for
a quick flip yetis is great for jetas and other projects are for a longer term you know they've
got a purpose like the moon apes so yeah it's just really drawing different lines helping people to
understand exactly what they're getting into when they spend their money. And then, you know, as founders, it's up to us to caretake them. Yeah. And it's funny, something you said just
a little while ago too was how frustrating it is to have a project and to get through people's minds,
how imperative it is for them to then share that information. If you want to be an investor and you come into a project
and you invest that money and you're waiting for it to just magically skyrocket, you have to do
your part. And I think that is very underrated. I think people really need to reflect back on that
and be like, hey, if I want to pump my bags, I need to put in even a little bit of work. And by that little bit of
work, that's getting out into the algorithm and sharing what it is that that is. So as soon as I
got into the Yetis, you know, I got my coin flip. What did I go do? I go and do a quote repost.
I go and do a comment. I try. I know we can't be active everywhere, but it's so important.
How do people expect it to get bigger if you're not willing to help the collective force?
You know? Yeah, absolutely. It's just if people thought logically, they'd get it.
You know, I see people writing, I don't need, I really don't need the praise or the credits or the glory or anything
like that as an introvert that actually makes me feel really quite uncomfortable when people say
nice things but I realize that the project needs that to happen so you know you you see people
writing great things about Rathsby from A Kid Called Beast, or you see them writing great things about ponds from the plague.
And, you know, it's just like, I don't, I don't,
I'm not craving people writing about that,
but I know that it will make the difference.
And so it's, how do you ask people to do something
that makes you feel uncomfortable, but you need it?
Like you absolutely need it.
Because if nobody, I'm not,
I'm not going to stand up and blow my own whistle. And if I don't do it, and the community doesn't do
it, how does anybody know what we're doing so great? So yeah, communities really do need to
understand that. And if you're trying to build a community of like for a 6,000 collection and you need two, 3,000 people,
then how do you possibly think that six individuals who are the team are going to generate that on
their own? They can't. It's just impossible. There's only, you know, we can do all of the work
and give you all of the tools, but us six cannot gather, it'll take us years
to gather that many people. So yeah, it's something that I don't think people have quite
cottoned on. And it's frustrating because if they did cotton on to it, they'd realise that they
could be the next Pengu or they could be the next yoga lab like if enough people see a project and and what
it can do and they get behind it and get out there that's exactly what hype is it's crowd generated
enthusiasm it is and it's that collective energy. I totally agree with you. We have to do better. We have to do better, you guys. We have to not just say that we believe in something, not just show up in the discord to push the sword so you can see if you can win something, right?
show the love out on. You can even, you know what else trips me out is go on Twitter or pro,
whatever that view is, schedule your posts. It's so simple to schedule your posts. You know, I get
people will tell me all day long, well, I'm super busy and I have a nine to five. Okay, well,
schedule a post. Schedule a post about a project or a project founder, schedule a post about how
you appreciate somebody in your community, schedule, even go sit in spaces so that you
fill a spot. That is all being supportive. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, absolutely right. And this is
another thing that, you know, it's not even that people maybe aren't or don't want to do it they
just don't know how to do it well so you know you can stick up an engage in your discord and you'll
get x amount of people who'll just go and put an emoji or and then you'll get x amount of people
who'll just type the same reply on every post because that qualifies them for their engage points
and really it's about writing your own original content it's about writing something of substance
on those replies not just posting a pic of your of your nft that you have from that collection
you've got to tell people why you're even bothering to reply on that post. And I think there's a lot of education about not just about how the the mass
mentality needs to work together, but what that mass mentality is actually
saying when they start working out there.
So I don't really know how to how to do that how to teach people how to um engage in a in a
um in an effective way to generate what we need but yeah it's yeah we'll get that's interesting
yeah do you think like if if you made a video or something and showed people, are the majority of your people in your community,
are they the majority of them in Discord or are they on X as well?
I would say you find that your real loyalists will be in your Discord
because that's your information hub.
That's where you share everything.
It's where they get right up close with the founders.
They get to know the real nitty gritty.
You kind of tend to share snippets on socials or the most important things.
So you get all the meat on the bones when you're in a discord.
We do a lot with our communities where we can to help them with that kind of stuff.
So in the lab, we've got the Moon Squad, which, you know, you if you support x amount of posts within
the week, you get access to a special channel. And I probably spend a lot a bit more of my
one on one time with the people who are in there because they're the people who showing that they
care as well. You know, I'll never everybody will get my time but where I will spend where I will
voluntarily spend time will be with those people
because they're showing me that they're here for us so yeah it's everything's a growing process
everything's a learning process and people all learn at different times they've all got different
time availabilities we've got time zones to deal. You get people coming in and they give it a real
hard shot for a couple of weeks and then life takes over and that one will maybe drop off,
but then somebody else comes in. So you've got kind of got this revolving door of people coming
and going and you don't necessarily get that, let's make it bigger. it's kind of just exchanging people and giving
people a break and and then obviously you get people who just drop off completely those ones
those ones hurt sometimes you know I've had people who I've spoken to every single day in my dms and
then just one day poof they're gone and and it it I take it personally I do I really take it
personally because these are people that I've listened to their problems with their wives and I've given them solutions to their business problems, all this kind of stuff.
And then just one day they're gone.
And then a few months later, you see them dumping their assets and you're like, what did I do wrong?
You're like, where did you go and what did I do wrong? and you know that yeah maybe maybe they got the wrong idea about something or they just
you know were cowards and wanted to right they had to leave and just couldn't be up front about it
it's funny papa actually i want to say it was a couple weeks ago papa's like
he was really upset and we were talking about doing spaces and he wasn't sure if that's what
he wanted to do anymore and i always respect. This man goes to work all day long,
then he gets off of work and comes straight into the space. He is a pillar for me. And I think
sometimes I lean on him too much. So we've talked about this, you know, because he told me he was like, there is such an impermanence about the space.
And it's really, it's been difficult.
And people don't talk about this shit.
People don't talk about how we had, you know, I'm not going to name names, but we've had people that have been in here and we truly considered family.
family. And, you know, exactly like you're saying, talking about, you know, things going on with the
wife at home or, you know, things like, you know, just regular life things, you know, what kind of
work should I be doing? I really value you as a person. I want to find out, you know, what your
opinion is. And, but I told Papa, we have to kind of think of it like, like we, like we say all the time that people
come for a reason, uh, for a season. We've lost some because I changed my profile picture. That
was probably the hardest one for me. Um, I had people's like physical addresses. I was seeing
people's children. Like I was like the mama bear. It was, I was the safe person. And now I'm no
longer just because I changed my profile picture
um that was really really hard for me um but I don't know Papa you came off me what were you
gonna say my love yeah no I was just gonna agree in the fact that it does seem like we're
like there's so many I don't vagabonds or something where it's like, they'll come in and things are like...
What's a vagabond? Like a hobo?
That's not...
No, it's like a, isn't a vagabond like a suave highwayman type, you know, like...
Oh, I better make sure that I'm using the, uh,
yeah, I'm like, I got to look at this word.
This happens to me often.
Mad clean.
Papa says things.
I'm like, okay, let me Google that.
I don't know what he's talking about.
So I was thinking like a wanderer, like look, um, yeah.
Okay.
Vagabond is a person who wanders from place to place without a fixed home or
occupation.
That's a hobo.
Well, hobos are more like on the trains or something.
Like a nomad.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Kind of like they just, they kind of go from place to place.
They'll be here for a little bit, and then they'll just move on.
Uh, they'll just move on.
And that's, that, that is exactly what it feels like.
And that is exactly what it feels like, right?
Right.
I mean, and the, the way that our space, like the way that we kind of run our
spaces, because we're, we're not in this, I mean, we, yeah, we're crypto related,
but we're also just more of like trying to build connections and, and a community.
Right.
And so then you get like invested, invested in your community members,
the people that come into the space, right?
And you're like, and then all of a sudden, poof, they stopped.
Like, maybe they found a different group of people,
or maybe they found, like, they're like, yeah, okay, you know, that's,
they were cool, but, you know,
I'm going to find something else to occupy my attention or
whatever right and then it's like I don't know yeah I think I think as women as well
well I won't speak for women in general but for for me as a woman we have a nurturing side to us
so we genuinely I'm not saying men don't, but we genuinely care about the well-being
of the people around us. So I notice instantly if I haven't seen a member around for a few days,
and I'll drop them a DM and say, hey, is everything going okay? And, you know, just check in on people,
check in on the team, all this kind of stuff. And men aren't like that. So I don't know if I'm
wasting, I don't know if I'm wasting my time when
I check in on people, but it's just part of who we are as women. And, you know, I think there was
a period where I was feeling a little bit frustrated. I have these moments, probably about
every six months, they last for about three hours, where I'm just like, what the hell am I doing here?
Why am I doing it? Who am I doing it for? Who even cares? And three hours later, we've had a bullying and I've had a chat and I'm over it and
I'm back to it. But in those moments that you realise that nobody's asking you if you're okay,
nobody checks in on you to see if you're okay. And then you remember, okay, we're working in a
male dominant environment. That's not what guys do.
Just keep being you, keep looking out for people and hopefully keep as many of them close as you can.
Yeah, that's definitely what Papa was feeling.
He was just like, why?
What's the point?
What are we?
And then I get in my head.
I'm like, oh, my God, what are we?
I don't fucking know what I am
I'm just mama bear bro I just want people to come and chat it up with me and um oh man sometimes
it's funny because in a relationship you have to kind of balance each other out and when papa bear
falls apart I don't even know what the fuck to do i really don't i'm just like oh jesus because your mood affects me so much i've tried to i've tried to be the strong silent type it
doesn't work for me and you know usually usually i can be that right it's just sometimes you you
get your moments right you're just like yeah but yeah no it's it's just it's funny though because she's like well it's like
every six months i'm like okay that's not as scary as i think because i was just thinking
shit when's the next shoe gonna drop when's papa gonna be like what's the point what's the point
of anything of all of this oh i can't do But yeah, I've met a lot of really cool people.
And that's one reason that I won't just go out on the streets of crypto Twitter and talk shit
about a bunch of projects. Because if it weren't for those projects, and if it weren't for my
journey, I wouldn't have met so many amazing people. So even though it might have been a
shitty situation, or I've had the ups and downs and the negativity and the FUD and all of that.
There's been so much good out of it. And that's what I try to hold on to because I think that's
what we need in life. There goes back that hope, you know? So I don't know. It's been a very
interesting space. I don't know. In general, it's been good. And we come here every day and we show up for
each other and we show up for ourselves. And sometimes I tell people all the time,
some things that I put out on the timeline and I haven't been lately are actually for myself.
And if that resonates with you, terrific. And I think that that's us in general. I think that
if somebody goes over to the Yetis, you know, or somebody
goes over to the Moon Ape Labs or over, you know, to the Mutant Shebas, maybe something over there
resonates with you or that founder has something that you are interested in. And I would say,
hold on to that as tightly as you can, because I don't want to call them bad actors, but there's
just a lot of low vibrational energy in this space. So if you find some good ones, you guys,
hold on tight. It doesn't mean you can't go look around and fuck around, like you said,
on meme coins or whatever it is. But when you find those real people really just value them because it's it's kind of
I don't know low bar right now there's not a whole lot to it
oh the mad queen do you have anything else that you would like to add I know that it's super late
for you um no I don't think so it's been a really great chat. I've enjoyed, enjoyed talking to you. Um,
1.30 is still my working day. 1.30 AM. I'm still on my working day. I've got about 30 minutes
before I start winding down. Um, but yeah, I, I, when we went, went into web three kind of shifted
my sleeping patterns so that I could catch Europe during my day and then catch you know the other
side of the water during the evenings and it works out quite well so quite often I'm still here
busy running around doing things until about two o'clock and then I have about half an hour
chill time before bed so yeah you still got the awake I'm the night owl and Berlin's the early bird. That's awesome.
That's awesome.
Yeah, I'm the morning and I do teas at 2 a.m.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
But you guys see each other, right?
That's good.
Oh, yeah.
All day.
All day long.
Yeah.
We work well.
We're lucky.
Very lucky. Very few people, I think, can survive 24 hours a day for eight years nonstop and still be in a good place.
Right. How did you guys meet? Did you guys meet online?
No, we actually, I used to play poker professionally. I had a little bit of a career break.
And I played professional poker for three years and he was down at a annual tournament
near me and we met at a poker table and the rest is history you guys are trying to figure out each
other's tells you're like I want to are you like lifting your eyebrow blowing a kiss at me because
you like me or is this what you feel in your cards or not well actually I didn't don't
tell him but I didn't even fancy him when I first met him um I just uh he just intrigued me and uh
I was right so and I fancy the pants up in there oh I love that you fancy him and I love that you
fancy him and your beautiful uh accent too um it's funny because as soon as I met Papa I knew
I was gonna be with him but I was very reluctant because he soon as I met Papa, I knew I was going to be with him, but I was very
reluctant because he's nothing I've ever been with before. And I'm like, I don't know about this.
This guy is really, he looks so normal. And so he's being kind. And I don't know about this one.
I don't know. Yeah. It took a while, but we do really well together too. And it's funny because
he goes to work and he'll be in the other room and he'll walk by and I'm like, babe, can you hold my hand?
I miss you.
And he's like, I just washed my hands.
I'm like, it's okay.
You can dry your hands on me.
Right, babe?
I just, I love you to always be near me. I'm kind of like the cat. Yeah. So you and Goose tend to have to fight
for my attention sometimes, I think. Yeah. Well, you're the man. I don't know what to tell you
about that. You're the man. Well, I think we've had an awesome space. It's an absolute pleasure to have you and to meet you and get to know you a little bit more.
You're going to be doing a space with Rick tomorrow too, right?
I am, yes.
We do it all over again.
So hopefully he's been paying attention and he doesn't double up on any of the questions.
And me, I had no questions prepared.
That's just not who I am.
I'm such a fly by the seat of my pants
kind of person so you know I used to be I I didn't um I hate scripted spaces I hate knowing what the
questions are going to be I'd rather just give you a you know an in the moment response um but I did
you see you know if we were doing a space for the third dimension I always used to like write some
questions do a bit of research on
their website and stereo would come in like with his gift of the gab and he'd just be chatting
away like Rick does. And I've grown out of taking notes and writing notes. I try and go with the
flow a bit more often. Yeah, and it's working out all right. But like I said, I'm really not the,
I'm not a gap filler. I like to talk about stuff I know about. I'm not very good at just bringing the general chatter.
So, yeah, it's been really nice. Thank you for being such great hosts.
Heck, yeah. I'm glad I'm glad it turned out well.
So do we need to talk about anything more about the Yeti? Because this ice coin flip is live.
So would you like to talk about that at all i did
put it up in the jumbotron um yeah it's quite simple you everybody is welcome to mint a free
ice coin flip take your chances on winning a yeti which will be minting the main collection
will be minting at 0.6463 soul So that's a really nice win from a free mint.
I'm not going to say how many are in there, but we've been generous.
There will also be ICE tokens.
So people will win ICE tokens, which will have a liquidity pool.
For anyone who doesn't know, the liquidity pool is going to be created from the Yeti mint funds.
So 65% of the mint funds will go into that LP and 98% of the royalty.
So there's always going to be a flow of liquidity for the holders. So the Icecoin Mint, you are
welcome to Mint One. Please give the Yeti's account a follow because that's the whole purpose
of that particular mint and you get a bonus surprise for for doing so oh so maybe i need to go
unfollow and follow again i'm just joking that'd be nice if that's how it works if it was easy yeah
it would be at 6 500 three months ago exactly all day click click click so with the the mint
the free mint is there but you don't know yet if you win or lose.
Is that it?
Yes, that's correct.
So right now, so the way we rolled it out was we had a first target 500 OGs in the Discord.
We made that number.
The reason we wanted the 500 was so that we then had a good pool of people to then go out and help us spread the word about
the mint. Um, yeah, just getting a bigger network of eyes to see it and take into account that not
all 500 are ever going to participate because people come in three months ago and then they
kind of like get a little bit bored of waiting, know there's always going to be a percentage of those people so I think we had 200 mints on the OGs um I'm not going to say what but the
mints 100 to 200 sorry mints 1 to 200 there is going to be something for them down the line
the the reason we're not going to reveal the coin flips until they're all minted out is because we don't want to, we don't want people to be multi-walleting it.
And we want to have some leverage for those, for a scenario where people mint but don't follow so the amount of mints that there are will get us to that 6500
follow account if everybody who mints follows the yetis and if we don't so there will be people who
will make duplicate wallets and will mint a couple um that's our leverage at the end is that
they're going to have to help us.
Anybody who minted, if we don't make the 6,500 because of duplicates, they're going to have to help us.
And until we hit that number, we're not going to reveal.
So it's a little bit of leverage to make sure that we do get that number with the mint.
So. And we'll probably we'll probably probably do an early reveal for the 200 so they get their first
get theirs first and we're also actually working on we're trying to figure out if we can do a
mechanism where people can choose whether to reveal their flip or not because they will be
available on secondary so prior to the yetis mint people may be able to trade based on the odds of um you
know how many yetis have been revealed you know free mints have been revealed how many ice tokens
have been revealed the odds of them still being in there you might we might get a bit of fun trading
going on with that it It's not a promise.
It's just something that we'd really like to do and we're trying to put together.
So, yeah, we always try and find some fun stuff to throw in to keep things interesting.
Yeah, and then you have the Discord, which I'm in the Discord.
I'm not super active in the Discord.
I definitely try to do the little sword things.
And I did win one, which was super cool. I don't know if you saw that Mad Queen. I had somebody say, Mad Queen will give you your role. And I'm like, okay. So I'm not sure if I was supposed to do anything else. So when we do rumbles, we either do them for ice tokens and then occasionally we do them for yeti mints.
So we had a little bit of a delay on the ice flip launching.
And during that delay, we ran regular rumbles just as a bit of compensation, keep people happy where we gave away free yetis.
So the first time you win a free mint you get
the role which is the free yeti mint role and then we'll ping everybody closer to the mint for those
to collect wallet addresses because doing it now in three months time people forget what wallet
they they submitted and then we've got to do a whole loads of admin so if we collect them right
close to the mint then that made the most sense and then if you win a second mint then we'll take your wallet so that we can kind of add it to your allocation
that's so smart it reminds me sometime of having to have children on this space um sometimes the
way that I deal with people and you're so right it made me giggle you're like well sometimes they
forget which one it was and oh god that's so true so I love that and then they'll get
mad that you didn't give it to them but they don't know which wallet they used which is even funnier
so um or they'll come back after we ping them seven times to say this is your last chance to
submit your wallets and then all the wallets will go onto the contract and then go I couldn't
bin to I didn't get my free mint because you didn't respond to the seven pings asking for it because you've disconnected.
So, yeah, you know, those kind of things are really I try not to take too much.
I try not to put too much responsibility or guilt on myself when people miss things, because it really is your responsibility to keep an eye on on things and we try and keep it very streamlined so in the
moon ape lab discord there's a channel called take action and anything where the holders have to do
something in order to get something we put it in there so you could be in the moon ape lab discord
and only have notifications on for that channel and you would never miss anything if you paid attention to them. Because I get it, you know,
Discord's ping all of the time and I try not to be too ping crazy, but having it just in that one
place for the people who can't be on every day or connecting all of the time. Yeah, so we'll do our
best to make sure that everybody gets the
message but you've got to be reading to get the message that's awesome like herding cats
not h-u-r-t people think i like to hurt cats sometimes and i don't herd
well just dropped some ice on the floor papa hates it when i do that because then his socks
get wet shh don't tell him um yes i think we're actually going to close up the space
oh the mad queen it was absolute pleasure having you um we're going to be doing more
of these kind of um chopping it up with founders so if it's something anybody's interested in
uh well for me you have
to be part of the green pill collective because that makes me feel safer and safer for people
that listen to this or listen back to this or share it um so hit me up let's do something
and uh you should definitely have rick on for a space space because Rick is a source of knowledge and he can talk for every, you know, he can talk forever.
But I think also the same with Rick. He's very much business. He's he's here for the business.
So I would love to know a bit more about Rick, the person. And I would definitely stay up to tune in for that one.
Well, maybe, Mad Mad Queen you can help me
come up with some some spicy questions for him that would be fun I'm definitely not a question
person I'm just not a prior planner but maybe that's something I need to work on so everybody
who's here I would sure appreciate if you would go and follow the Yeti account. Definitely give the Mad Queen a follow.
You know, she's out here working.
She's out here building and doing real shit.
And also, if you haven't gone and done your ice coin flip, it's live.
It's a free mint.
So pretty cool.
There's three fates as she has it.
And yeah, I don't know how that would be not a good thing to do.
So again, we just loved having you.
It was great talking to you.
I'm sure we'll be chopping it up more in the future.
And Papa, are you ready to close us out?
Sure.
Awesome.
Thank you guys all for showing up today.
We'll be back at the skin tomorrow.
It's going to be at 4 p.m. Papa Standard Time, 7 o'clock on the East Coast.
Until then, do something kind for yourself.
Take a moment to enjoy life's fun stuff.
And as always, move with intention.
We'll see you tomorrow.
