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Presently Present with Mama & Papa 🧸🐝💚
Recorded: July 18, 2025 Duration: 1:40:10Space Recording
Short Summary
In a lively discussion, crypto enthusiasts explored the upcoming launch of the 'Stinky Brown Pinkies' token, trends in influencer engagement, and the importance of community support and honest feedback for growth in the crypto space.
Full Transcription
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... Well, technically it is. But it's the three best friends.
It's the three of you guys.
There are three guys.
That's true.
I need to inform you, but apparently...
So, Big Mama is also having a space right now.
I don't know who that is.
I don't either.
I just, when I go to spaces and look for, search for Mama,
because that's how I, since, you know,
X doesn't seem to want to notify me when there's a space,
when I have my, you know, reminders,
I go to the spaces tab, or the spaces tab,
you know, type in mama.
And apparently there's a big mama space.
So there's, there's a big mama going on right now.
That's awesome, dude.
You have to show me what her at is.
Is it just.
It's like at MXSsni underscore big mama.
mxs what underscore?
mxsni underscore.
I know.
She needed to see the mama branding course.
It does.
Well, her posts are protected, so unfortunately I won't be able to give that a follow that's sad
yeah yeah no big mama for you i know my bad bro damn eac i love that pfp what is it
it's a trench warrior because i'm in the trenches um Hell yeah. You've probably heard of the guy Nine Trev.
Like he had a controversial coin but he's since rebranded his coin to Trench which is you know
like in my opinion a blue chip that's better than fart coin and because who's not in the trenches
and the guy makes viral content whether you like it or hate it. Like it's onboarding.
It's getting seen by normies and people recognize him.
And there's not another guy, in my opinion, who is doing that for crypto Twitter, really, who's on like Instagram and going viral.
Nice.
Okay.
They made a mistake they should have called it
the uh the uh the trench warrior or something but what do i know okay so i went to your profile
is it what you have pinned from nine days ago there's a nope that's eac where's this coin at bro you're telling me about
i'll pop yeah i'll um i'll pin it up if you want like i'll pin up his profile yeah check it out
yeah god you guys the amount of elons that tell me that i've won
90 000 and randomness blow my fucking mind i i now those i do block you guys i feel bad about that but they
won't leave me alone so don't forget to report too though oh that's true i always forget to report
report re-use what do i just say i say spam spam yep okay good good looking out dude yeah i'm oh the amount of elons dude it's i'm
like how do they even get this many elons um oh and then i just got something that reposted me
and it says very his name is actually message that that's impressive dude zero following i don't know working on some of these you guys
it's crazy how many bots they are but me i get in trouble for i don't even know i'm still screwed
that's okay i'm moving along on my new account um not very fast though i have to say god i'm
actually a little upset with myself. It's all right.
It'll be right.
Oh, what the fuck?
Yeah.
So that's, I pinned it up there.
Nine Trev, you can see he has 45K followers and it's like, it's organic and it's crypto.
Nice. Yeah.
You might, you might not like, kind of like what the guy does, but you got to respect
that he is getting attention. Yeah, no,
I'm actually, um, as long as people aren't out, uh, extracting and well, I guess I have a couple
things. Um, but yeah, no, I, uh, I'm all about it. Um, anybody that wants to come up on the,
um, space though, I think I saw i saw a request um be sure to give
uh all three of us a follow-up here that'd be great i think it's just a space etiquette at
this point right oh fucking bounced out see ya i tripped me out for a second pop i was like what
the fuck like are you lost yo shout out computer scrap guy um who just like came into eac and like bought up
like 400 worth of nfts legend yeah dude i love that what a great name too computer computer shout out avni top top uh one of okay uh another web 3 legend like female uh who's a
great space host i don't know if you've ever like spoke with her but you two should connect i have
not and it's a matter of fact i went into um a space that moon was co-hosting and she was there
as well and she actually threw me the mic but i I was too embarrassed. I was like, damn, bro,
I don't know what to go up there and talk about. So yeah, I appreciated that. She just bounced out
too. Yeah, it's a good day. Probably put her on the spot. Yeah, it's okay. I did give her a follow.
She's not following very many people, but that's okay. You know, some people are very tight with
their follows. I'm working on getting better with i
feel like i have so many people i need to follow right now um because my ratio is just still not
the way i want it so yeah i'm working up on saving up to you know send you that paycheck
and make it happen you see you're awesome dude i actually have some suggestions for you just
to start working on your account right now if If you'd be open to listening to me.
A hundred percent. Like definitely. I know that.
I know what I had, like I have to do. It's kind of like,
I kind of just want to tweet about whatever I want to tweet about to sell
EAC. And I know that that's probably like,
I know what I have to do and why
like to get that monetization and how it can be so much better for me. So it's just kind of like,
but I mean, I don't have the dedicated time. I'd rather honestly just pay you a professional to
get it done for me. But I'm down for always like, what, what can I do to get more engagement?
Cause I know I more eyes, I's. Yeah, for sure.
So the only thing I can really criticize on your account right now, and again, I do this with love and kindness, is just be careful with those, first of all, tickers, which it is what it is, right?
That's your project.
So I understand that side of it.
But also hashtags.
Get rid of hashtags.
That's something that Elon had talked about a long time ago. I've been in several accounts and I continually see people doing this and it just
really screws with their reach. Like I can actually guarantee somebody I met with the other day had
actually taken some tickers out, cleaned them up a little bit, and their reach is already double than what they were getting
before within two or three days. So just, you know, just be mindful of those. I think that in
general, he wants to completely get rid of those. It's just those people are really slamming down
their accounts. So, but man, I love that PFP. I don't know what it is. It's so cool. You know
what it is? It's the purple. I'm obsessed with
purple. Yeah, I had to pick that one up off the floor. Got to rep purple polygon. And yeah,
no, I appreciate the advice. I'll pull out the dollar signs and pull out the hashtags. And yeah,
I do want to have more impressions. If I'm not getting impressions, what's the point?
Right, right. And I really do think that, you know, that's part of it. I need to figure out a system.
I actually want to come up kind of like with a tier system so that I'm able to see, you know,
maybe somebody wants to subscribe and have me go in and check their account and just kind of be
brutally honest. I just haven't come up with that. I'm hoping that Papa and I can sit down and do
that. I've just never been on the business side, you know? Package deals. What'd you say?
Some package deals. Yeah. See, that's what I was thinking. That's what I was thinking. I was like,
all right, well, you know, maybe somebody wants me to, because I feel like it's either black or
white and people are just like, all right, can you get me the $5 million?
Okay, cool.
Now can you go in and take care of my whole account?
Bro, I don't have 10 hours a day to dedicate to just your account.
Like I'm happy to show you what to do.
And I'm happy to show you what has worked for me.
But it's about working together and having that person really want to do it.
Because every account moves different. So good shit though would you be the Gordon Ramsay of impressions
or would you be more of like a Simon Cowell a silent cow no Simon Cowell you know
I'm like I do like cows baby but i don't
think it's nice to call me a cow um i would say well first of all i'd want to be a highland cow
because they're adorable um but i don't know what that means does that mean because they're both like
they're both dicks is that what you mean so i'm kind of a jerk. Well, no, you said brutally honest. So like, you know, like. I am.
This tweet is trash.
You know, or whatever.
Imagine I'm like the mama bear that goes and fucks you up.
No, I don't want to do that.
But I am honest with people.
And a lot of times people disagree what I have to say.
And that's okay.
But it's only from my own experience.
And I can get into another account and be like, dude, your account's cooked. Like I have no interest in this. Because a lot of times it's just better
off for somebody to start it back over. So I try not to do it in a rude way. But yeah,
I do come off kind of like that, huh, babe? Like a little brash. Sometimes. I can, yeah. And that's why I try to preface it, like I was telling
EAC, like, I'm telling you this with love and kindness, because I feel like I have to, like,
put out some emojis before I tell people what's up. No, like, I always appreciate, like, honest,
straight-up feedback, because it's what you need to grow and learn. Like, it's really kind of
difficult in the space when when you're giving
constructive criticism and people saying oh you're fighting me because you don't want me to win no
like i'm trying to give you advice because i want you to win but um it's really like also especially
as an artist and if you're you're putting like you're passionate about it and a lot of people
are super passionate and that's good but you can't get your feelings involved into it because then you can't you can't be better like you can't like I learned
this from like really early um when I went to school for graphic design and I worked really
hard on a project and art's subjective and then like they're kind of giving critiques about it
and I kind of went home and beat myself up about it.
And then I'm like, but you got to like,
learn to really separate yourself from the work that you do because your
feelings from it, because when, when you're trying to make money,
it has to appeal to, to appeal to everyone.
And so you can't like,
like think that it's personal attacks on you when people are trying to just really they're just trying, they're giving you their honest opinion.
Because when people says, oh, that's interesting, or oh, thank you for sharing.
Oh, that's like, that doesn't help you grow at all, especially when they're thinking in the back of their head, like, I didn't even listen to what you just said. Right. Which is, I like that what you said too, because
I feel like sometimes people, we don't know what people's intentions are. And I think that for me,
I struggle a lot with just being very matter of fact. I'm not logical though. I just, I kind of
go with my gut. I go with what I see and what I see working.
But that has bit me in the ass before because I come across as just kind of rude.
But that's not my intention.
My intention is to be, you know, I'm being kind, but I'm just straight up.
Like if somebody comes to me and they say, all right, what do you think about this?
You literally just open that door.
Don't get pissed when it goes the other way. You know what I mean? I don't know what it is about me. I think I got that from my grandma.
My grandma was brutally honest, but she was also like, she was kind of nasty. Like she was,
and not nasty good. Like, and I adored my grandma, but she was like, she liked to demean you. And I
think that I got that from her
because I can waste somebody with my words but over the years I've really worked on my delivery
and the way that I you know I don't know where the fuck I was going with this but yeah it's it's
actually super needed in the space because we know that positivity like super positivity works
and it's like the best way to run a space, but it doesn't
help. Like when, when you're doing that all the time, when people need to have like straight up
honest feedback that no, your idea sucks. Like, I know that sounds super harsh, but, uh, before you
waste, before you waste your time and money, like, like really plan your stuff out. And here's why. And take this feedback
and do better. Instead of Oh, yeah, keep going. You're doing super good. We're all gonna make it.
Yeah, yeah. And that's, that's horseshit. That goes back to that, like, whole, like,
everybody gets a trophy type of thing. And you're exactly right. How do we grow with that? And
that's why I know that people I surround myself with, they have also good intentions for me. You know, that's my hope. And I know who does,
who might not totally. And I take people's, you know, words to heart. If somebody was like,
damn, mama bear, you, you were really tough on that dude. I'm going to look back on that and
I'm going to be like, oh shit. You know, Papa does that shit to me all the time. But I trust that his intentions are good for me and that that's a way for me to grow.
But I have to agree with you, dude, EAC.
I told Papa before, it's so hard for me because in spaces, it's either one way or another.
You either go up on somebody's space and then they start making fun of you.
All right.
What is that?
Trolling you, right?
And then they troll you enough to try to get a little bit to know of you or they go or you go
to a space and all anybody is doing is rainbows and butterflies and everything you're doing is
fantastic and this, this and that. And it's like, I don't, that's not helpful to that person,
you know, because how are they going to know if that they should keep putting their
time and energy into that and then again it's just my fucking opinion so that's what it all boils
down to so i think to really like grow as a person like you have to be always putting yourself in
uncomfortable positions and like that's going into those spaces where they'll like crush you
and shoot you down it's like that's the spaces you need to be going
into and like, and, and getting to the point where you're like shutting them down. And if you can do
that, you're really like growing and you have a strong, strong, um, your will. Yeah, no, for sure.
And, and I'm not going to go and tell somebody how to run their project because that's their journey. It's just the thing that I feel like I've really thrived and I pride myself on is accounts. And so it's what my experience is. And I've learned shit from Tricky. I've learned shit from everybody. Joe, mom has told me things. You know, I've learned stuff from everybody around me.
And to me, that's just what growth's about. Just fucking taking everybody's words and,
you know, doing with it what you shall. I want to say hello to Danielle's real quick. I know you
guys, other ones were here first, but she's only ever here for like a short, short period of time.
And I have not seen you in a long time. Hi, Danielle. How are you, love?
She could be driving.
I think this might be the time that she goes and picks up her husband.
It's all good.
Danielle, it's good to see you.
She dropped.
What's up, Tricky?
It's Tricky Buddha from Defy Space Donkeys. Powered by powered by weed on solana get yourself a bag of weed
happy friday happy friday so i think i should get paid more you should i tell people that they
shouldn't do the thing they're going to do like there was a couple times where you know i've
you know i said well you said you wanted to launch a project.
And I heard kind of what you're doing.
I'm curious how you think those dynamics are going to work because that's not an easy ask.
And long story short, they're DMing me a couple of months later.
Yeah, thanks for telling me not to do that because that was a terrible idea.
I'm really glad that I didn't go through with it. I've had so many people like, oh, I'm going to do that because that was a terrible idea i'm really glad that i didn't go through with it
because i've had so many people like oh i'm gonna do this project and i'm like do you have the
community for it do you like have the resources and time to do that or would you be better off
using this idea as a feature of another project like giving that idea to a bigger project that you
like believe in would might be the better avenue
you know it's like do you code the program yourself or do you hire an expert coder and
focus on what you're good at you know yeah no it's interesting that you say that too i was in a space
a couple weeks back i think who knows time here um but they were actually talking about how
it's really important for people especially in this space with how quick that it evolves, to do the thing that you're good at and to do it right.
And I think that's what I see, too, in general.
I think that people just start getting their hands into so many different.
It's like they're cooking the kitchen and they're like, OK, let me start this spaghetti.
You know what? I have a hankering for meatloaf.
Let me start some meatloaf.
And then they're like, hmm, you know, oysters actually sound pretty good.
So then they start that and it's just like it becomes a big clusterfuck.
First of all, none of that even matches.
Secondly, you just created like 10 times more work
and then, you know, you don't get what you want to get done.
But they were a master at making, you know, meatloaf.
So they just should have stuck with the meatloaf at first, you know.
So I do think that that's a big issue here in this space, though.
And I think that people mean well.
I just think it gets dirty real quick.
So, real convoluted.
It's a lack of resources at first.
Oh, God, yeah.
Yeah, it's usually a lack of resources at first oh god yeah also yeah it's usually a lack of resources but then if you realize how much harder and more resources it's taking by not
doing it properly funded you know it's like you just got to make a plan to execute yeah
yep i totally agree with you and appreciate it i was responding to legit did his, uh, today was his, he was the
GPC. Oh, he's here in the space. I'm going to put his space, his thing up here on the top.
Um, anybody who didn't engage with that, that would be dope if you could. Um, he actually,
okay. So I have to go find his original post. Uh, so yeah, today was his, uh, he was the GPC post
and, um, it's always good to show love.
You know, Legit's always out there and doing awesome things with his music.
And I know he's doing lots of stuff with Ink Spire and stuff.
So it's good to see.
He's trying to connect too.
What's up, Legit?
How are you this day?
Maybe. Hi, Legit? How are you this day? Maybe.
Hi, Legit.
It's good to see you.
Hey, Mama.
Hey, Papa.
How was your day?
It was an amazing day.
Thank you for asking.
How was yours?
It was good.
I always, like, you always have such a great outlook on everything. You're always so positive. It's good to see you for asking. How was yours? It was good. I always, like, you always have such a great outlook on everything.
You're always so positive.
It's good to see, bro.
It's good to see.
Thank you, Mama.
Yeah.
Honestly, I cannot appreciate, you know, you guys enough because, you know, like I said,
like, the support I received on that was, like, it was overwhelming.
Demigod had to tell me, he was like, he kept on updating me.
He was like, bro, I've been replying.
Like I keep replying.
He was just responding to it.
And I was like, yo, it's what the GPC does, you know.
Support is what the main deal here.
So honestly, to everyone who just took his time,
I know it's not easy to just go repost, respond, give the song a listen.
I deeply appreciate it.
Thank you very much.
I wasn't expecting it because when you, when you told me, you know,
I was going to be on the spot, like, I was shocked for a moment
because, like, I was like, whoa, like, the other thing just came, you know,
unexpected.
So, honestly, I'm very grateful.
Thank you very much, Mama.
Hell, yeah, bro.
I'm glad that it got to your turn.
We're going to be doing a little bit of housekeeping, me and Pads, over on the GPT side.
And we're going to figure out how we can make this work and get people to be more held accountable.
I do like your numbers, but I'm still not happy with how they are.
And that's okay.
You know, we're going to get this to be a well-oiled machine.
And, oof, mama's going to, mama's going to, like, start, I don't know.
I might have to start busting out the chancla or something and being like, all right, well, let's do this.
Let's see what's happening.
No, legit for real.
I'm super happy that it was your day and you totally deserve it.
Like I said, you're always showing up for everybody.
And to me, it's so important to, you know, you're a community member.
You don't even have your own project.
And, you know, like AJ and I talk. You don't even have your own project.
And, you know, like AJ and I talk about all the time, who the hell would a community be? Who the hell would a project be if it weren't for the community members? You know, it's super important.
It's important to show people how much you care and appreciate them. So, all right, let's go
around here. We have quite a few people. This is great. I want to say what's up to Computer Scrap Guy. I don't think I've ever spoken to you before. If I have, I apologize. How are you doing?
Hey, good evening. Thank you for having me up. I'm doing pretty good. How are you?
I'm good. I'm really good. Yeah, it's a good Friday day. You know, sunshine's been out.
You know, I don't have any complaints.
Where are you joining us from?
I am from Florida right now.
Okay, nice.
Nice.
Well, that's a good thing. Do you all have some nice hot weather there?
I saw some crazy shit that it said you guys had, like, some flesh-eating bacteria.
And I was like great
now what's happening did you see that or is that was just some new hype thing
i have i have not heard that story as of yet okay if it it comes around i probably will but i'm i'm
just east of Panama City so okay okay okay yeah i need to go to florida
i'm in orlando where are you from um so i'm in washington state right now
um that's where i've lived for a long time yeah pacific northwest it's beautiful but lots of
things i don't like about it um but papa does not like the rain uh we talk about relocating often
especially to somewhere that is just beautiful.
And I can't imagine how many beautiful women are there, too, to look at, you know?
Bikinis are the way.
So, yeah.
I'm lesbian.
What did you say?
Can I talk?
I am lesbian.
Yeah, Hamad and Javad.
Yeah, if you guys just wait just a second.
We're talking to, we got Computer Scrap Guy up here right now.
Sorry, what was that?
Yeah, I don't go to the beach very often.
Oh, you don't?
Yeah.
No, I just work and do crypto and that's about it.
There is a backstory to my name.
Oh, I'd love to hear it uh there is a back story to my name oh i'd love to hear
way back in in early 2019 or actually a little bit before that i started uh collecting and scrapping old computers i don't do it as of right now because i don't because with my living
situation i don't have a room to store them.
But back when I had a house before COVID, I collected computers and scrapped them.
And then the ones that were actually halfway functional, I would take and throw a couple
of video cards in them and mine Bitcoin.
That was my first experience ever with with crypto so i would
i'd mine i'd mine a little bit of uh bitcoin mostly just as a as an experiment to see if it
would actually work and it and it did i mean you know i didn't get but just a little bit off of it
but you know it did work and i also want to shout out EAC. As he mentioned, I'm just part of a part of the community and and I support him, too.
So. Oh, yeah, we love EAC. That's really cool that you listening to you talk about that reminds me of Papa.
So that's my husband up here. And I'm sure he is very like, oh, yeah, I used to do that kind of stuff.
I can imagine you guys getting along.
He's a, he's pretty quiet guy, right babe? You're here though.
Me? Yeah. And yes, I'm quiet. Yeah. But you didn't, you never mined Bitcoin, did you honey? I have not, no. Yeah. I was kind of surprised about that. I told
him I thought he would have been
a Bitcoin millionaire. Like maybe he tells me 10 years in, okay, I'm actually holding 100 Bitcoin
or something, but it hasn't happened yet. So if it does, you guys, I'll let you know.
There's like some kind of hidden shit going on. Now that's cool though so like um have you and you said that you don't have the room anymore i
know it takes quite a bit of um power i was talking to somebody about that and they said
the amount of electricity it takes is quite a bit right in order to mine can you still mine
you guys i don't even know oh oh yeah but it takes a like a walmart size full of servers oh shit or bitcoin miners to to make
any real profit comparing the amount that you get with the amount of power that you're using
that makes sense so that's that's why we kind of kind of i tested it and tried it and then kind of said, uh, this isn't really worth it because the power bill just like doubled. So yeah, I'm scared. I then went to just buying a crypto straight from,
uh, my, my first, uh, application that I used to purchase. It was, uh, was eToro. And then,
uh, of course I, I moved over into DeFi, uh,Moon, and just kind of went from there.
I am a team member for an NFT project.
We're fixing to launch a coin.
The name of it is Stinky Brown Pinkies.
Oh, my God.
That's awesome.
And what team are y'all on?
Solana. Oh? Solana.
Oh, Solana.
Okay.
Yeah, we have 50 out of 500 NFTs currently minted.
And we're launching a coin in about two weeks.
So it's a fun time.
Keeps me busy.
Yeah, yeah.
And it's interesting.
I actually think that we're going to see a lot more coins and projects.
You know, things are heating up.
And I'm totally okay with people coming in here and talking about stuff as long as they're not, you know, being disrespectful or trying to shit down on everybody.
Because, you know, we're all adults here.
We all make choices.
But that's a fantastic name.
So I don't know who came up with that, but that's hilarious.
There is a backstory and there's two versions.
There's a family friendly version and then there's the full version.
But yeah, if you, our motto kind of is,
we're the smallest finger with the biggest impact.
We're here to make waves in Web3.
Oh my God.
Have you ever heard of Cocktoons?
I feel like you guys could be friends.
Cocktoons are hilarious.
Those guys actually, I just got a message from them.
I feel like they are doing something here soon. I think they said two more months. I guys actually, I just got a message from them. I feel like they are doing
something here soon. I think they said two more months. I'll actually, anyways, it's really
fantastic. They do kind of, they have like the adult swim vibe. Is that right, Papa? Is that
how you'd say it? Yeah, they're really cool. Really funny guys, but it's fun when you can,
I don't know. I think it's really brilliant when these people come out with these projects or coins that you can just, I don't know, have fun with and come up with things and banter back and forth because all that's free advertisement.
So, you know what I mean?
It's not like you're pushing hard to have a leaf coin or whatever it is, you know.
But actually having something that, you know, is fun and silly and, you know, I like that.
So, yeah.
The name came from our main dev.
He's had the gaming handle, Stinky Brown Pinky, for like 20 years.
So he just kind of brought it over here with him when he came over to Web3 and launched an entire project just off that name.
and launched an entire project just off that name.
And the backstory is the full backstory,
if y'all don't mind, it'd take just a couple minutes to end.
Yeah, you're fine.
I'll put that down.
Okay.
The full backstory is there was a lonely little pinky
floating through space,
and he got sucked into what he thought was a lonely little pinky floating through space and he got sucked into
what he thought was a black hole uh he kind of lost track of time while he was in there
and the only thing he had to to to to to live on was corn it ended up being a cosmic butthole
so he was in there for many many years he lost track time. And then at some point he got ejected by a large fart
into the blockchain. And so we're trying to investigate, try and figure out
if it was Fartcoin's fart. So we're going to try to, if Fartcoin will respond back to us, we're just going to try to have a friendly little me more.
Nothing bad or negative or anything like that.
And that's kind of our narrative.
I hope that Fart definitely hits you back, especially since they're part of your lore.
So I think that's awesome.
I feel like Papa really enjoyed that.
And he's probably laughing with his mic muted. So, um, I think that's awesome. I feel like Papa really enjoyed that and he's probably laughing with his mic
muted. So, yep.
I appreciate you having, I appreciate you having me up and, uh,
and thanks again for EAC for having me and part of his community.
Oh yes. We love EAC. It's a pleasure to meet you.
I'm sure I'll see you around as things are, you know,
heating up and moving along. Uh, let's see who else we got up here.
Oh, sorry, I have politics.
Oh, yeah, definitely do.
I'll keep you updated.
Sounds good to me.
I wanted to pop over.
We had two people pop up,
and I wanted to give them the mic.
What's up, Hamid?
How are you today?
Hi, everyone.
Yeah, you talked about mining and buying bitcoin yes my question is uh what
prevents or incentivize miners to just sell their machine and computers and just buy bitcoin on
exchange and hold it instead of mining and on on the other side, what prevents or incentivize those who have,
you say, more than 10 Bitcoin or any other number,
which is sufficient to run a mining factory, even little and small?
What incentivize or prevents people to not switching their holding situation into buying mining machine
or the opposite? That's my question. Is that clear? It is clear. Papa, do you have any thoughts on this?
gosh i really don't know what i would say um like i said i haven't i haven't actually um you know
been been part of the um you know done done mining or kind of calculated the you know
like what it would take versus like the economics of it of of running versus trying to sell it but
right i mean i assume just yeah sorry I didn't mean to cut you off.
It's, again, portfolio.
I mean, imagine you have 1,000 Bitcoin.
How many of 1,000 Bitcoin you want to sell
and buy a mining machine
or just holding all of them?
Holding...
Is that clear?
The portfolio of running mining machine and holding Bitcoin.
Papa, I think you were telling me the other day
that you had actually seen some insane number.
Do you remember what that was?
I think it depends on the people.
I think that from what I just understand
just from our last conversation a couple minutes ago is that it takes a lot of electricity and a lot of equipment in order to mine for it even to be worth your while.
So I think that in general, we've all just gotten into this place where we're able to purchase it and keep an eye on it as it's been moving.
But I think Papa was telling me, did you remember that, babe, a couple days ago
there was somebody who had actually purchased back,
what was it, 12 years ago?
Do you remember that?
You're talking about the,
they moved like 40,000 Bitcoin or something like that
that they had bought for really cheap.
It was like in the billions of dollars.
Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah.
So they had, but it's interesting because money is money is money.
So the way I look at it is right now to us being able to have an entire Bitcoin, you know, what is it?
It's holding strong at like 117, 120.
And so a lot of people, that's unattainable, right?
But can you guys imagine people who, you know, it was 17,000,
and it was unattainable to them at that point. So I think it just depends on each person and what
you're able to get. But I do think that it's advantageous to get as much Bitcoin as you
possibly can. Because there's only a certain amount of it, for sure. Computer, you scrap guy, you've got something to say here, I feel like.
Yeah, I think a lot of it has to do with one of two factors.
Either you're just experimenting with it because you're kind of like a geek like me,
or you're a big corporation that really wants to, you know, like I said,
have a Walmart-sized warehouse full of Bitcoin miners and the actual
Bitcoin physical miner itself is fairly cheap. I think the last time that I looked at prices,
it was depending on what giga hash you got with the miner, it was between like $8.99 and $12.99. So the actual equipment. So if
you sold the equipment and then bought Bitcoin, you wouldn't get very much. But if you have
500 of them running, if you can afford the power, if you're dollar cost averaging the
power with the amount of Bitcoin that you're pulling in by mining then it only makes sense to to keep those 500 is better
you're what i'm sorry i said martingale is better than dca
oh did you say that mining it is better than DCAing in it? Is that what you said?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I wish I was like the Bitcoin queen for you, but I have no idea, honestly. I do think that it just depends on the person and is that sustainable for them you know i think that if you were to talk to somebody about this 10 years ago it looks very different than it does today um especially yeah especially when you're mining that and i don't know have you been into bitcoin for a while
or is this something yes i'm sorry uh do you think if someone is is very amateur or professional in Bitcoin, easily answers question or easily asks question?
Easily answered or easily asked.
I'm just curious, have you been in crypto for a long time?
And are you specifically...
Are you familiar with ZKP?
with ZKP.
I'm sorry?
I'm sorry?
Can I pass
the Turing test
in how much I am amateur?
Sure.
Okay.
Show me your face.
Babe,
can you help me out here, Jom don't i don't get it dude i told you guys i don't understand that kind of shit so um it's all good anyways let's move javon what's up javon
i wanted to say hi to you too i saw that you came up oh you're good. Oh.
I don't know much about it. Oh, there you are.
Okay.
Can you hear me?
I can hear you now.
You were gone for a second.
Okay.
I don't really have a Bitcoin question.
I was just scrolling and I see y'all spaces.
I'm not too keen in these spaces either.
But I see you and Mama Bear and Papa Bear running this.
I just had a question about this co-host, Joe Mama.
And do you guys,
do you guys co-sign his racist tweets that he makes on here?
Because I just, that's how I came across the spaces.
It's him posting
racist stuff posting black people being monkeys so I just and I see y'all co-host
I don't know if y'all knew about this but it's probably in his last like if you
go to his replies and last 10 tweets he called us monkeys and replied to some
saying the n-word with monkeys oh no if I don't know if that was co-signing in his spaces or not, or if y'all is aware of it.
I just want to make everybody aware.
Yeah, no, we always appreciate you telling us whatever it is that you are experiencing.
I don't see that under any of his replies.
I'm down about four hours now.
Oh, I'll post it.
I'll post it. I don't see that under any of his replies. I'm down about four hours now. Oh, I posted. I posted.
You can put it.
You can put it down.
Yeah, I got you.
You can put it down in the purple pill, not up on my Jumbotron.
So, you can put it down in the comments.
Do you see the purple pill down on the right-hand side?
Yeah, I just said.
It's just sitting.
Okay, cool.
But it's nice to meet you jayvon um
do you know joe mama personally no i don't know like i said i just i came across this tweet and
then i came across his faces and i just wanted to make everybody aware in here yeah you know
yeah he's posting if y'all didn't know what type of person he was you know make y'all aware of the
type of person you yeah no thank you y'all aware of what type of person
you yeah no thank you i appreciate you yeah have a good rest of your day well joe mama i know that
you're not out there being naughty so um yeah i will i will definitely check into this okay
i have a question about whether Bitcoin is asset or money.
Oh, sure.
In terms of being asset, in my perspective, asset is something that you can use it when you are alone on planet Earth.
Imagine you have apple, you can eat apple even if you are alone on the Mars. Or if you have a car, you can drive it
when you are alone. But if you are alone on the Earth and you have Bitcoin, you can't do anything
with your private key. So Bitcoin is useless when you are alone on planet, so it can't be asset.
But on the other hand, it could be asset.
How? Imagine you have Bitcoin, you offer to a miner by discount.
Instead of buying Bitcoin, just give me your energy and I'm going to give you my Bitcoin.
your energy and I'm gonna give you my Bitcoin and if your discount is you name 1% discount
if you offer to a miner instead of mining Bitcoin just give me your electricity I'm
gonna give you send you my Bitcoin so so you can you have energy so Bitcoin is like a sin of energy. So in the other hand, it's acid.
So how you introduce or confuse me or others,
whether Bitcoin is acid or not?
Yeah.
Anyone?
Anyone?
Yeah, I was just waiting to see if Papa was going to come off with this.
Yeah, I was just waiting to see if Papa
was gonna come off with this.
The reality is both arguments could be made,
but it doesn't matter what alphabet government organization is overseeing commodities or products.
The fact that they're fighting, basically, the Federal Trade Commission is now looking at like crypto and nfts is like a commodity versus the sec regulating it as a security but
like realistically as a consumer what do you want right do you want to invest in crypto because it's
an investment and have protect like financial protections and legal protections in that avenue
or do you want to have this as a commodity and have it regulated by another government agency?
And what is the benefit for just changing agencies?
No, I totally agree with you.
And we've talked about this before, Tricky, about how everybody wants to sit here and say
they want to keep everything decentralized, right?
But then they want people to be held
accountable for the wild, wild west that we deal with with crypto. But the reality is you can't
have it fuck in both ways. And we've already introduced all of these big names and these
government agencies into it. And then those regulations will come. It doesn't matter whether
it's me using my debit card and that being a digital transaction
versus it being on the blockchain.
You know what I mean?
It's still a transaction that's happening.
So I totally agree with you.
I mean, I guess it depends on what a person thinks an asset is.
Back in my day, you know, it's very, you go to school, you go to college, you get the wife, the kids, the fucking house, the picket, white fence, and that's where you live.
Now, there's no way in hell I'm buying a house.
You know, it's just not what is, to me, that's not really an asset.
You know, I have other things that I would want to do with that money.
I can rent and I'm not stuck into an area that completely changes
overnight and, you know, shit goes down. So I think it just depends on what a person wants to
hold and what that asset is. I don't know, you guys, this is totally not my forte. I'm sure you
can tell. So. Yeah, that's fine. It's the way that he's wording it. So there's just pretty crazy.
oh yeah that's funny just the way that he's wording it too they're just pretty crazy
and joe mama i'm glad that you are uh are here and i absolutely co-assign you what's up pamed
sorry also the next difference between mining and buying from exchange mining is like marrying with
a virgin woman and you buy a virgin woman but when you buy on
exchange you marry with a woman that had many boyfriends in the past. So which one
you like? Mining and marrying with the virgin woman like Muslim people or
having marrying with someone who had at least 10 boyfriend,
buying and buying something like that.
I want, I want someone to know some tricks.
I need a, I need a wheel. I need a, a real seasoned person.
I don't know what to say about that. I mean, that is,
that is actually hilarious. I've never heard it be said like that.
So I don't know, Papa, why don't you tell them about how you were in high school and your
girlfriend was in her forties? I mean, it was no problem for you, right, babe?
The comment I was going to make there, I was probably going to say, you know,
You know, when the lights are off, it's all the same.
when the lights are off, it's all the same.
Where is Papa sleeping tonight?
That is the fucking question.
He said, when the lights are off, it's all the same.
I don't know what to say about this behavior of yours, Papa, but...
It was like a cleaner version of the whole.
Oh, my God. pop up but it was like a cleaner version some might be like throwing a hot dog down a hallway it doesn't you know it just is what it
is fucking pop up babe why'd you say that sorry jomar what'd you say no i'm not gonna say it
say it jomama, Joe Mama. God.
Some are shaped as a wizard sleeve.
A wizard sleeve.
You guys are killing me.
I don't care where the magic power comes from.
I'm going to show it off.
Well, Papa's my arm candy.
Oh my God, this conversation.
Oh my God.
I literally have tears in my eyes.
Well, Hamid, I hope that we're a little bit helpful to you,
even though we're just joking around a little bit here.
Have you been... When you're talking...
Yeah, go ahead.
I was just going to ask you, have you been in crypto for a while?
And what is it that you're into?
Like, do you think that are you more?
You want encrypted answer or decrypted answer?
I want whatever answer you'd like to give.
I want to know what it is that you see working well in crypto right now.
Do you have any thoughts?
Are you more bullish on a different coin?
Because here in this space, we're just all money maxis.
You know, we all just love money.
I think it's right now more bullish because, you know, in 100K, it was less bullish.
But when Bitcoin ignites, people start selling.
And one guy talked about DCA dollar cost average but the point is bitcoin is
not linear probability when it pumps i mean in in 100k the likelihood of pumping is more than
likelihood of pumping in 90k in crypto it's it's true if you look at the history it becomes crazy ignites like rocket and the more
bitcoin pumps yeah of course the likelihood of dump increases but at the early stage of pumping
i think it increases so i suggest anyone this is not financial advice, but think about that. Selling your house or car and buying Bitcoin right now,
because the likelihood increases.
Great idea.
Let's buy it right at the top.
Yeah.
What's your idea?
My wife hates you right now because I've been literally trying to do that.
I was just going to say that I've been trying to get Papa.
I'm like,
babe,
do you got any 401k?
Like,
I know your last person wiped you a little, but I think you should take all your 401k and put it into Bitcoin right now.
And I do agree with you, Joe Mama. Like, yeah, let's, why the fuck are we buying up at the top?
That's the problem. Every single time I see this, and I feel like it's a human reaction.
A person sees something going green and fucking A does everybody want to jump
on it. You know, somebody sees somebody doing well, and all of a sudden they're cool with you
again. You know, oh, I've had people who hadn't even given me the time of day or wouldn't even
engage with me. But now that my numbers look a little prettier to them, I'm then worth their
time. You know, there's something about that psychologically.
And I don't know what to tell you about that. We know as traders, by the way, I'm not a fancy
trader or anything compared to like CJ or TWOP or lots of people in this room. But I can tell you
what I learned is to buy on red, you know, sell on green. That's if I'm doing trading. But if I'm
trying to accumulate, I think that it's
just that DCA is not a bad idea. And I don't think that, I don't know, we've got some crazy
numbers out there right now. Papa was just talking about this last night, how it drives them crazy,
how people are like, oh, 500,000 Bitcoin this year. And, you know, there has to be some realistic things to it.
But I also understand why they do that because they want more people to buy in.
And as humans, if you tell somebody it's going to go from this to this, which is significantly
higher, that human being is then going to go buy in on that, which then pumps your other
friend's
bag who got in before you. It just is what it is. So, yeah. Mind you, they got in at 50 cents or
some shit, you know, 25 cents. So just think about that one. Yeah. And I mean, and that seems to be
the game, right? Whether we're talking about a coin, I had to learn the hard way. We all had to
take our licks out on these streets, right? We're out here and we're talking about a coin. I had to learn the hard way. We all had to take our
licks out on these streets, right? We're out here and we're doing our trading and then we see,
oh, the coin, the CA is all over the timeline. So I would go buy it on the timeline. Next thing I
know, it completely shit the bed. Well, those people who were out there pushing it on the
timeline had already gotten their allocation. They had already gotten in and out, or they were
already in so heavy that then I get in and I'm their exit liquidity. So I think that that's
harder to do with Bitcoin because of it takes so much size in order to move it, you know, to hurt
you. And that's where you get into leverage trading. So, but do I think that Bitcoin's an
asset? Absolutely. Have I been here
all these cycles? No, this is my first cycle. And I'm here to learn just like everybody else.
But it is very hard not to have FOMO, right? It's very hard not to, you know, all these people on
the timeline who are like, oh, I'm so rich from this. And I'm already up $2 million. Hey, if you
comment, I'm going to have Grok pick
two people in the next 24 hours. Do you know how many fucking posts I've seen about that in the
last 24 hours? Bro, you're literally farming me and I'm giving you money by having you farm me
for something you're not even going to do. It trips me out, but we keep falling for that shit.
you're not even going to do it trips me out but we keep falling for that shit it's crazy
market's green let's fucking go let me dump on you some more market's green let's run it back
fuck that and also right now i think margin trading is good because in the past it was risky
because bitcoin has low price imagine you have 10k just 5k pump will gonna liquidate you in the
past. But because right now the price is so high, I think it's impossible to liquidate even if you
do margin trading. Because if Bitcoin pumps 10k, it's minuscule in terms of geometry so it's you have to be careful and but i or everything
i say is suggestion recommendation i think as bitcoin pumps people have have much eager for
margin trade because price changing in term of geometric is minuscule. Just be careful.
It's all about leaving yourself a good amount of buffer room and not turning up the leverage too high.
There are places that will let you over leverage like crazy.
I've seen people doing 1,000x leverage trading.
I'm like, you have no idea what you are doing.
You should not be allowed to do that.
And also, even if you won a bet like that,
what do you think the chances are that they're going to pay out the thousand to one thing that you can actually nail on?
Or do you think they're just going to declare bankruptcy and take all the money and disappear?
Like, historically, it doesn't go well for any of the leverage trading platforms that are letting people leverage more than like 10, 20, 30x.
Banks are allowed to leverage a 40x and that's the problem
we're trying to fix. Well, yeah. I mean, and I think that as a whole, we've all become so
complacent and comfortable with having our monies. Go sit in Bank of America, go sit with Chase,
right? These are names that we trust and our money sits there and it's doing nothing, first of all. Secondly,
they're actually loaning out our money and making interest on it every single day.
So if you have 10 racks in the bank account and you want to go take it out that day,
the likelihood of them allowing you to take out that 10 racks that day is pretty fucking low.
And that's preposterous. But guess what, they are then loaning out your money and
making 24% interest on that 18 year old kid that just went and got that auto loan. That's just,
that's how it is. That's fucking wild. And I think that that's what crypto is in general. I think
people want something different. And that's how all of this really got started. Again, you guys,
I'm definitely not an expert at it. It's been very, very interesting to watch, no doubt about it.
You know, and do I ever have enough? No. But I'm also not going to sit there and put myself down
for would have, should have, could have, you know, because to me, that's not helpful. It's
not helpful for my mental health. And it's not helpful in this situation. It's a thought. Some of it is a fact,
but fuck it. Like, what can you do about it? You know, you can only move forward from where you are
in this exact moment, in this exact present moment. So yeah. Off my soapbox. Hi, pads pads i haven't said hi to you yet how are you
yeah i'm on my bear how's it going good how's your day or how was your day i guess it's very
late for you now um it's not especially it's like two minutes to one so it's not two minutes
i've been chilling out with my girlfriend.
We've been out shopping before.
She's got a couple of things for the house.
I've got some light changing.
Sorry, color changing light bulbs as well.
That I'm dead happy with.
I love that.
Dude, I know.
I know so many guys who love color changing shit.
My daughter does too.
She's always had me buy her those like.
They're like these flat light things. and they go like above her ceiling.
And then she puts like, she made like a cloud.
It was really dope.
But yeah, color changing stuff is fun.
You think it like helps your mood or, I mean, what is it?
Music?
I don't know.
Something about it is cool.
I don't know.
There is something about it.
It's amazing.
We've ordered two lava lamps as well.
But, like, honestly, like, go and look at my profile now.
And it's just, like, rainbow colors.
I don't know what it is.
It just relaxes me.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I've just been chilling.
Yeah.
Lava lamps are dope, too.
I remember when those were really, really popular.
Have you guys ever seen those things, too, where, I don't know, it's kind of like a long tube and in the tube it's clear and then it has all of this glitter and stuff in it.
I remember actually using those types of things too. You switch it one way and then you watch it
all fall and switch it the other way. There's something very calming about those types of
things that move, you know, slowly. And I don't know, I love those kinds of things too move you know slowly and I don't know I love those kind of things too so that's
awesome so did you did you go ahead you've kind of got to be careful because you might like I
sometimes think if you hypnotize yourself and then there's no one else around to bring you out of it
you just stay hypnotized I don't know what you do that's one of my favorite things to do pads is
just have you ever just spaced out where you're just like staring and all of a sudden you can't I don't know what you do. That's one of my favorite things to do pads is just to,
have you ever just spaced out where you're just like staring and all of a sudden you can't come back and you're like, not happy.
You're not sure what's happening.
You don't care in that moment.
And then you like catch yourself and you're like, Oh shit.
Hopefully nothing bad just, you know, transpired around me.
That is one of my favorite things to do.
In fact, when my boys were younger, if they saw me spacing out,
they were like, don't mess with mommy during this time. This is my just things to do. In fact, when my boys were younger, if they saw me spacing out, they were like,
don't mess with mommy during this time.
This is my just complete checkout moment.
Even if it's for a minute or two,
just let me be bro.
It's a,
it's,
it is.
It's a,
I don't know how to explain the feeling that I get from doing it,
but I really like it.
So it reminds me with the opposite of stress you got no no stimulus yes we need that sometimes
right would you say pads um it kind of reminds me what you just said about that was it like
Nietzsche or someone said about like staring into the void you just like yeah just zoning out yeah if somebody told me that I could drink
um some type of tea that would make me feel exactly that way I would be totally okay with
trying their tea just because I know what that feeling is um but then I you say that but then
I hear people tell me all these horrible things and then I get in my head. I think that our minds are just so damn powerful.
And I think that our minds believe what we tell it.
And there's something really powerful about that.
I feel like I've been working on that.
And it's something only you can do with yourself, you know?
So, I don't know.
Something about that.
You have to be, you have to have to be comfortable with yourself and the people
you're around in order to enjoy the experience.
And for your first timers,
I would... I mean, even for the first...
Not even first times. All the time.
Have a buddy. Have a guide.
Have someone that can look at you, identify
that you're spiraling, and pull you
out of that shit. Because sometimes
you will be too fucked up to remember,
oh yeah, I gotta think positive. You just go down the fucking rabbit hole and be like why am I you know yeah you start asking
the wrong questions yeah you gotta be careful but so I used to love being like a guide for people
I have so many people who was like yeah the first time I and I don't I'm like oh yeah
but yeah I love you know it's like uh empathy turned on to max at that point it's like the the
only real time you can like really flex that skills when during a mushroom trip people just
like i feel like you could read my mind and i'm like yeah shit was written all over your face
you know like but it just you just needed someone who's like paying attention to you to like kind
of pull you back and once you've done it a couple times, you can, like, guide yourself.
But, I mean, you just, you never really know, especially with the variants now of different mushrooms.
And there's, like, all these cross, like, blends.
And technically, no mushroom is the same ever again.
Like, every time there's a mushroom created, it's different than its predecessor.
They evolve very quickly.
Oh, that's interesting.
I did not know that.
I actually learned something today. This is so fucking off the wall. they evolved or they evolved very well that's interesting i did not know that i actually
learned something today this is so fucking off the wall but i learned that oh god is it neptune
um is either a morning star or a night star did you guys know that was it neptune fuck
i gotta look it up i literally looked this up today i was so uh
to look it up. I literally looked this up today. I was so, uh, Neptune. Do we talk about Neptune?
I am talking about Neptune. Is it Neptune is the morning star or is it Jupiter? Neptune is
first planet in Milky, in solar system, but in Milky Way, it is less planet. You know, NASA is lying to us that because physics orders NASA to be 50% honest and 95% liar.
Because physics says to NASA, be 50% honest and 95% liar.
NASA says lie sometime about position of planet in Milky Way in solar system. So NASA says
planet Earth is... Go ahead. Nothing. I was just going to say those two things combined like 145.
You can only be like 100% of anything. Okay. NASA says planet Earth is exactly at the middle of solar system and very close to black hole in the galaxy.
But how about if NASA listens to physics, they should be thinking about proton, electron, neutron, distribution, Maxwell, and this stuff, gas, speed, molecule, temperature.
So, you know, in solar system, the light distance of Earth to Sun is about 4 hours.
But light distance of Neptune to Sun is just five minutes or 10 minutes. So if you think about that ratio,
you have to be 50% honest or 97% honest. I did screw up you guys. It is Venus. Venus is both
called the morning star and the evening star because of its orbit. So when it appears in
the eastern sky before the sunrise, it's a morning star. And then what appears in the western sky after sunset, it's the evening star.
So I guess there's like 50 some days out of the year where it is not.
So it just switches over.
Babe, did that just totally make any sense?
I know.
I learned this fun fact today and I didn't know much about it.
So I just threw that out there.
I love how verifiable shit is nowadays when you have such good tech.
I mean, there are still people out there who will argue that the world is flat.
And I'm like, hey, yo, do you see these new telescopes that can track planets as they're moving?
And they're all round.
It's so weird.
You know,
I want to,
you know,
because I don't understand physics,
I'm talking about physics.
People,
they talk about
what they don't understand usually.
If you talk about Bitcoin much,
it means you don't understand Bitcoin.
So about physics,
in the past, we thought that Earth is orbiting around the Sun. And then Copernic said that no, the Sun is orbiting around the Earth.
And then we thought that no, both of them are orbiting around the Moon. And the question is,
around the moon and the question is where is the center of mass of solar system that
not only planets but also sun orbits around that so the planets are orbiting around the moon not sun
because the center of mass is very close to moon not exactly moon very close to moon so the sun's like 98 of
the mass in the okay yeah it is huge the sun everything goes around i thought i thought
we said copernic was 99 liar when he said earth is sun. No, none of them are orbiting around each other.
They're both orbiting around the moon.
Not exactly moon, a point very close to moon, which is moving.
Like in soccer, every player is following the ball.
And they don't follow each other.
They just follow the ball so imagine cristiano ronaldo is
sun and leonan missy is earth both of them are following the ball which is moon i mean how do
you explain eclipses though that i can't it's not factually accurate because you you wouldn't have eclipses if that were true. Yeah.
So I'm trying to be maximum liar and minimum honest.
Gotcha.
I mean, I noticed when your math didn't math up, you know,
if 50% of the time you're 95% lying.
You know about minimaxax and Maxine?
I get you.
That's amazing.
I like it because when it comes down to it, no one's infallible, but there's a lot of weird misinformation about all kinds of stuff.
And wherever you have power or information isolated, it'll be a subject for attack and exploit.
And very quickly, people will take, you know,
side with something or issue with something before that,
and they won't do any background or research or anything.
So you have a couple of credible people that get that information
and they can like just spread massive amounts of chaos
and misinformation.
But everything, if science is on point,
which it basically is,
because it's just our aggregate experiences,
it changes with our experiences. If you can't recreate it, then it's not true. But if you can
recreate it and explain it logically, then you can, and you can re-perfect. Someone who knows
nothing about it can then observe those things and, you know, put the pieces together. Then,
you know, it's like, it's real uh but i've seen the i've seen the
funniest models of the solar system and it's absolutely wild i'm just glad we're not hanging
anyone before thinking that really you know oh it's earth is not the center hang them you know
shit got crazy for a little bit it's funny i guess it's all about perception legit has his hand
sorry go ahead so if if you are real bitcoiner do you want to say
the center of mass of solar system is very close to neptron or very close to moon
do you want to advertise bitcoin or ignore or blame that's my entire pretty sure the sun is
the center but i have a question why keep bitcoin around if in 80 years it hits a brick wall and we have to fork it anyway?
Why don't we just learn off the tech and move on?
I mean, whenever is an industry emerging and the first tech they ever come out with is the end-all be-all.
No, definitely not. I agree with you.
I'd say we let the government buy in and then we go forward.
Yes, let's do that.
When the government buys in, I'm going to hack
the Satoshi wall. Yes.
Okay.
And money will be gone in 20 years.
Yeah, tricky. I'm down with that. Legit has his
hand up. What's up, Legit?
Yeah, so
I've been following the
conversation
for a bit now
and then I want to ask Ahmad a question because I'm not like he said
something that is like a little bit controversial to me I I do know that a lot of what NASA you know
the information that they give out is not particularly accurate because they say a lot of
stuff I won't lie you know um i also read into
well find something that's inaccurate bill before you say that yeah so um he said that um the earth
revolves around the moon and growing up i know that i've been taught and, you know, we are the Earth existing, you know, the sun solar system.
Our sun is, you know, basically our solar system.
We are all the planets we have from, you know, Mercury, Mars, you know, Venus, the Earth.
We all revolve around the sun.
So I don't know where exactly you got that elon is going to venus
not mars elon is lying to media when he says i want to go mars no his mission is venus planet
because mars is the second planet venus is the fourth planet did you watch with your eye with
your telescope i mean nasa and spacex SpaceX hire the best engineers and physicists and
physics. Are physicists dumb to be all the time proton and be honest do you think? Or
they want to be sometime electron, sometime neutron, sometime positron. Otherwise they
are dumb physicists if they be 100% honest. So there is at least 10% chance that Mars is not the fourth planet.
What do you think?
Yeah, but what concise proof do you have that Elon's mission is Venus and not Mars. Yeah. Because from everything, you know,
we have gotten from media
and from his statements,
from his interviews and stuff,
he says his mission is to put humans on Mars
because it's the next habitable,
it's the most habitable planet apart from earth now i guess now like the the have um
probes and stuff on mars like so i don't know where you got that particular you know source of
information i know that you know physics particularly if you are not at least 20 liar you don't understand physics
so i suspect any physicist any nasa engineer spacex engineer elon musk at least 20
otherwise they are dumb physicists i don't listen to them
okay
even Heisenberg
when he introduced his principle
which is if you want to accurately
calculate the velocity
you will have maximum error in position
I guess to his
level of honesty
maybe he was liar Heisenberg
because if he understood his principle why he have to be Maybe he was a liar, Heisenberg.
Because if he understood his principle, why he has to be more than 50% honest in introducing his principle?
Go ahead.
So basically what you are trying to say is that most scientific principles have a percentage of...
They have a percentage to which they are false
is that correct i mean right now you believe 400 sure that mars is fourth planet i mean
make it 90 is that clear
Maybe it could be 50%, 10%, but I just want to reduce that 100% for 90%.
Be sure 90%. Mars is fourth planet. That's it.
And it's your job to calculate the exact probability, whether it's 50 50 likelihood that mars is fourth planet you have to
buy telescope learn optic calculate distance watch with your eye and do your calculation yeah there's Okay, I was just going to say, what's up, Pads? Just very quickly, like, oh, man, I'm crying.
Like, this is amazing.
Mama Bear, you have to keep this going for, like, another hour, please.
I just wanted to jump in.
So I do think that NASA does lie about, like, a load of stuff.
I'm not saying all the truth, but, like, people have known for kind of tens of thousands of years
that Mars is, in fact in fact like the fourth planet.
You can literally see that it is by like the way that people come up with calendars like
the pernal equinox and stuff, the precession of the equinoxes. So the Earth wobbles on its axis.
You look at something and you can see that it's closer than something else you know it takes like
a smaller amount of time to go to that guy so I feel like that if they were lying about that like
what I always felt that like why are they lying about it like would it matter if Marge was or was
not like what if it was the eighth time what what's the reason for life. But please go back to it because that's amazing.
Yeah, Hamad, if you could expand share on why you feel like Mars is not the first planet.
Because I do know that there are a couple of conspiracy theories.
I don't personally own a telescope, but I do my own personal research and stuff like this.
I'll even share one of the... I don't know if it's just me,
but have anyone ever come across this article that said that the moon landing was fake?
Oh, yeah. I've seen tons of people say that, that the moon landing was fake.
Absolutely. so basically when i read like bunch of stuff around it and um in articles that um i read
they said that everything that they show us concerning planets and stuff that is all just
fabricated that we as humans we have been trying to break um defamination, which is the sky, for quite a while.
And nothing has, we have actually not succeeded.
But I can't believe that because as of yesterday, there was this Red Bull athlete.
I don't know, I've forgotten his name.
He's an Italian guy or something but he he performed um
a free fall from the stratosphere and he was he's he was the first human to break the sound barrier
without being in an aircraft of any kind he just performed the free fall from a helium balloon like straight I asked what the video yesterday
because unfortunately he died in a paragliding accident so it goes to show that you know of
course we have actually gone there we have actually left this planet so okay personally I
don't want a telescope that's why I say like for world concisism because i do know that um first of all
they say mercury then venus then earth then mars you know and and who tout you you just you just
read it you just you didn't watch it okay anyway building internet is more difficult than landing on the moon. Okay.
So in terms of difficulty, I think if we are watching using internet right now and the technology of internet smartphone, I think it's if from alien perspective, if alien lands on the earth and we ask him that alien which is neutral in technology which is harder landing on the moon or having internet technology that alien gonna tell us that building internet
technology is much harder than landing on the moon so if we using internet electricity i think it's
higher likelihood possible that we will be able to or land it on the moon in the past.
My argument is whether NASA is right now honest or not, they should be a little liar or they are liar.
That's my point.
Is that clear?
Landing on the moon is, landing on the moon is...
Going to the moon is harder than making the internet.
Because there is difference between science and finance.
You know, in finance, you rapidly share with others what you found.
But in science, you prolong it for 10 years, 100 years what you found, or even you hide it from others or mislead it.
So the major difference between science and finance, in finance, everyone is hurry up in sharing the truth in finance.
But in science, everyone wants to prolong their discovery.
That's the major difference. And there is no something between them.
Did you guys see how they had Katy Perry?
They said that she went.
Did you guys see that not too long ago?
I don't know if she went to the moon, but allegedly went into outer space
and came right back. it wasn't it shit like that is
they were within the atmosphere and then she was holding the flower up going oh look at it's so
beautiful yeah that's see that's not yori gagari they're just like a ripoff would be yeah they're
just clowning on us at that point man What's up with this grudge?
God damn it.
Dude, I don't know.
I'm only rewarding high IQ people.
That was, that seemed like
pretty fit.
That Kitty, the
Kitty Perry, the whole thing because i know that a lot of
like a lot of you can't just pack a book no offense to what i'm about to say i have to
first say this so that i don't it doesn't seem like as if i'm trying to, but you can't just, you know, put a bunch of women in, you know, an aircraft and they don't have concise training whatsoever.
You know, it's not like they are astronauts.
We are female astronauts, of course.
You know, it's not like they are astronauts.
You know, they don't have training and you just put them in the Andy do what feels is did they have you know that they will not
just keep going up you know and dangerous okay just escaping to and then
all astronauts are women I'm gonna prove you there is correlation between being
nude and naked and being 100% covered in the ISS or space.
The reason people going to space with 100% covered body is some people are being 100% naked on the Earth.
Without porn website, you can't know any astronomer, no NASAa no spacex so all porn actors are astronaut without them you can't 100
cover astronaut body on this thing sorry i'm lost there he's saying that the only reason
people wear space suits is because you watch porn or you yeah i just want to make sure that i've got
I just want to make sure that I've got it.
I just need to like,
we're getting to like the big fucking questions on Presently Present now.
I mean, just,
but I just wanted to check that I had that right.
Yeah, I need more clarification on that
because I know that in space...
That's the reason why they were...
In US, porn is legal, but being prostitute is illegal because US wants NASA shine.
It's...
One's a...
Blah!
One's a video and I knew this not even yeah i'm not taking it
but i'm i'm still lost here i'm still lost yeah yeah what so
so it's a couple yeah bro if you are not at least 23 hours naked, you are not crypto trader.
If you are at least 23 hours naked, you are working outside or you have family.
None of them are crypto.
Wait.
Crypto people are at least 23 hours naked and alive.
Oh, naked.
That's it.
Okay.
We're naked.
Is that what we're doing, you guys?
We're naked?
If you are not 23 hours naked, you don't understand crypto.
What's happening?
I can't even disagree with that.
I think we're on a fucking video or something.
I'm so confused right now
We're being punked
That's all
It's okay you guys
Joe Mama are you naked 23 hours of the day though
I was just wondering
Legit
Pads
I can confirm that I've been wearing clothes
For the last
since I woke up
Babe, that is not true
I just went in your office, bro
Your pants were off
Hey, there was still underwear
Thank you very much
Only 12 hours, right?
Yeah, that's right
Oh my god, you guys This has been a trip of a space I don't even know what to say Only 12 hours, right? Yeah, that's right.
Oh, my God, you guys.
This has been a trip of a space.
I don't even know what to say.
Computer scrap guy, this is not how our space always is, just so you know.
But it can get a little unhinged.
That's for sure.
I like this freestyle type space instead of having a specific order of, hey, you you got two minutes to talk and then we're going to go to this guy.
Then we're going to go to this guy.
I like this kind of open open mic type, you know.
Yeah.
Yeah, definitely.
It's just how we do our best work around here.
No, I really do. I think, you know, all jokes aside, that's just kind of what we are here at Presently Present. Sometimes we talk about mindfulness and like Papa said, we can get degen in 0.69 seconds or whatever he says. So yeah, it is what it is. But Hamid, you've definitely brought up some very interesting conversations. I mean, Pads, did you want to share anything?
I feel like this is totally your get down, dude.
What about space?
Yeah, just space or aliens or, you know, things like that.
Like, I know my mom has always asked us since we were really young.
She's like, what would you do if you saw an alien? And I'm like, I don't know. Because I mean, it's a question,
you know, sometimes people ask you, but my mom told me, she's like, I'm totally gonna go hang
out with them. You know? I can talk about if pets doesn't want to be an alien. Did you say,
have you ever seen an alien, Hamed? Yeah, you know, first I have to start with mirror.
If you put a mirror in jungle, most animals are afraid of watching themselves on the mirror.
So mirror is dangerous to most animals, but it is healthy to us.
We watch mirror, we brush our hair, and that's good for us but for animal
mirror is dangerous the same as ai to 99 of human being ai is as dangerous as mirror is scary to animals so and also right now we're talking using a smartphone no matter we sending
voice or we typing this 2d being your smartphone and my smartphone is 2d being but they both have driver in 3D which is my finger and your finger so my finger is alien
from 3D controlling my 2D smartphone by pressing touching his screen so to from smartphone perspective, my finger is alien.
Go one level higher.
But this smartphone is unaware.
He himself thinks, especially if you cover your front camera,
because front camera is like telescope Hubble discovering your brain,
using your eye, watching your eye.
Anyway, so from one level higher, 4D, something else is touching our brain.
So just like if someone is talking well using smartphone, it doesn't because of his smartphone.
No, it's because someone smart is talking in 3D a smartphone, just like one level higher.
Elon, for example, or any genius, they doesn't have good brain.
No, they have normal smartphone.
But an alien in 4D that typing, touching their brain using frequency is smarter.
So I think that's enough.
And also I want to say something else about time traveling
and you can mix them. You know, do you hear me? Yes, we can hear you. Okay. About time traveling
and relation to alien. You know, first I want to add something else. If I dress like monkeys and put a speaker in my body which
imitate monkeys' noise, I press this part of my body. There are 10 key. If I press each of them,
it's going to produce monkeys' noise. And if I cover my body exactly like monkeys,
and if I go to jungle and act like monkeys,
about 99% of them don't realize that I'm not monkey.
They think that I'm monkey.
No, this body is like monkey.
He creates monkey noise because I have a speaker.
But 1% of monkeys gonna doubt doubt this is not like us and rest
of 99 call them you are delusional this is monkey so i mean if you are more than three times smarter
than a bee you can easily pretend like them so if you are at least three times smarter than monkeys
you can pretend like them in such a way that 99 of them don't understand that you are
alien so if alien is at least three time of our IQ, they can easily pretend that they are human.
It's easy to them camouflage among us if they at least three times smarter than us.
And also about time traveling.
You know, people think that can we travel to past and future and this stuff you know in future no matter 100
next hundred year next thousand year next millionaire one day human being gonna build
time traveling machine and imagine they they build time travel next thousand year when they build time travel next thousand years. When they build, they can travel to any moment that they want, especially 2025.
So in order to have future guys among us, we don't need to build time travel machine yet.
We just need to be built one day in the future, no matter next millionaire, next billionaire, if in the future they build
time travel machine and they're going to be built, they can travel to 2025. And this grandpa
paradox that traveling to past is impossible, it is future guys' conspiracy because they don't want us to realize that they are among us.
They built some conspiracy theories like grandpa paradox to convince that future are not among us.
No. I think I'm sending myself to future by being hyper honest. So any question, idea, go ahead.
I didn't see who put their hand up first, but legit.
And Pabz, you guys know this is open.
Please go ahead.
I was just going to say I agree.
Yeah, I have read about this like as well because um when when he started with the monkey
stuff i didn't actually get what where he was going but uh when he now landed you know everything
now became clear because um it's true if you are smarter than a being you know like let's say
three times smarter it will be able you'll be able to blend in with them so about the the idea of
um aliens working amongst us yeah that is actually viable um about the idea of
is actually viable about the idea of people from the future actually working out amongst us.
I think that is also viable. I'm not just stating this out because I'm just talking about,
because I do know that some things are not possible until they are possible like we live in a world where
at some point in time you know if you go if you went to the medieval times you
know where where people were you know we are crusaders and stuff and then you
took an iPhone with you they might probably call you a witch and might burn you at a stick because that time there's
nothing like technology so they'll just probably say oh he's a sorcerer and execute you so
as technology advance it's probable for us to um all these things to happen like for example he I was just a
conversation till he became to the was in the movies terminator and stuff and
now we have a on our freaking phones everybody has a and we're using it I
like it's just a normal thing and it will continue to advance and this the And the whole concept of future persons living among us,
why, again, I think is very, very, very good
because first of all, I watch a lot of movies.
And then I don't just watch movies.
I just want to introduce you.
They are trading, okay?
They are traveling to future past moment.
Just like I ask you, if I able you to travel 500 years ago,
what is cheap in 500 years ago?
And you want to buy from 500 years ago and bring it to 2025.
And what was expensive 500 years ago that you want to bring, get.
So they are traders.
That's the reason they time travel because something right now is so cheap to future
guys and something is so expensive to future guys.
They time travel and trade um arbitrage go ahead
but do you think that is just trading like it's just applicable to trading for example because
i know that if i have time traveling tech and i could travel to the past per se and go to the future
i'll probably be in in positions that will be much more bigger than this because i'll be able
to manipulate world events as a whole like for example i'll be able to know okay what team is
going to win in a in in the world cup event or you know the super bowl and
i can just place a random not even a random bet i know this event that's right um if you
look back to the future you see no betting on sports events stuff like that so i don't feel
like it's just applicable to trading i feel like if there are actually future persons working amongst us,
then these people are at the top level of government, business.
You know, they are like at the top, top level.
Because I won't have time to happen.
I won't have time to happen.
If you are top level, why you want to be famous?
If you are top level, why do you want to be famous?
Weak people should be famous.
If you are powerful, you try as much as you can to drift or be anonymous.
Do you know what means drifting?
Being famous means you require many friends and you're weak
it is not top level it is low level of hierarchy
maybe i'm wrong but 10 likelihood that i am right that the more you are famous the more you level down in hierarchy and
it is 10% that is true and 90% maybe I'm wrong it is 90% chance that the more you famous you level up
in hierarchy all I'm to try and say is just change your 100% to 90% and your 0% to 10%.
And you can think about, think again about it.
Maybe 1%, maybe 99%.
I see where you're coming from, Ahmad, because like personally, I don't just accept information on like as a whole i i must digest it i must ask
some questions i've always been that type of person that will peek behind the curtain so yeah
i see where you're coming from for people who are females with power i'll say that the true people
that really manipulate like who are we seeing what direction
you know the world walks and stuff we don't know then yeah of course there are people behind these
scenes they're just somewhere on an island or in the hill somewhere and we don't know those type
of individuals that part I understand if you level up in hierarchy instead of appreciating you have to
compliant others do you mean that
check i come again and can you say again
no like i need you to come again i think we can blame and appreciate others. And yeah, if you usually blame others,
you're going to level up or level down in hierarchy,
or if you usually ignore.
The ultimate goal is who is best person to you
to ignore him, to appreciate him, to blame him,
and at what level so the problem is which
person you want to ignore appreciate and blame at what level that determines
what is your level .
