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Privacy Hour: Your Identity Matters
Recorded: April 24, 2025 Duration: 0:56:51Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic discussion, participants explored the latest trends in the crypto space, including Ontology's innovative loyalty program leveraging NFTs, the implications of AI on employment, and the potential for universal basic income as a response to technological advancements. The conversation highlighted the intersection of technology and socio-economic changes, emphasizing the need for adaptation in the evolving landscape.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. All right, GM everybody.
Just waiting.
Have an echo.
Test, test.
I can hear myself.
Give me one moment.
Okay. I still hear myself.
Test, test.
All right.
I will wait on...
This is going to be very annoying.
I'm going to wait for Polaris and Jeff.
They both said they'd be jumping on.
But in the meantime, if anybody's in the audience
and wants to come up,
please do.
And while I wait,
I'm going to try to see how to fix this.
Because this is annoying.
Okay. Yeah. yeah i fixed it all right wonderful
still no sign of polaris and jeff so let's see i'm going to jump on real quick to the ontology updates then.
And then if they come in, we can switch gears. And if they don't, well, it'll be a short one today.
And again, if anybody's in the audience and is interested in popping in and learning a little bit more about you know what what it is that we're
doing here at ontology please do i see billy raising their hand come on up
hey where are we at with this goodness sakes how are you doing billy
i'm okay thank you very much sir yourself
i'm doing really good thanks weather's a little grayer than usual but you know
well so i think you're down by in california right yeah i'm in toronto and and we're about 20 degrees which means about 70 degrees Fahrenheit yeah yeah that's
we're just less than that it's a beautiful day I like it hot it's get it's gonna come regardless
of what we want summer is around. Summer is around the corner.
All right, cool.
I'm going to go through these updates real quick,
and then I'll pop over and see if there's anybody in the audience
that we can bring up.
There, if anybody's...
Sorry for interrupting you, but you do see Polaris here, right?
No, I don't see him yet because I'm on the Medium or the blog.
No, I don't see him yet because, well, I'm on the Medium or the blog.
So I'm on the X space.
So Polaris is up there.
I'm imagining he's probably reached out to you already.
Okay, cool.
We'll bring him up.
The latest blog here from Ontology, if you haven't checked it yet, it should be one of the last things that Ontology has tweeted.
In terms of the loyalty program, doubling NFTs, doubling the fun, according to the Medium article, it introduces different programs for community engagement.
It talks about participation in this Twitter space, so quite timely.
And discussions on Telegram.
And through this engagement, you are rewarded with a non-fungible and non-transferable commemorative NFT.
and there are then a few more layers to this engagement
where, based on these NFTs, you are able to unlock ONG rewards.
Really cool to also see Ontology leaning into
some of the staking mechanisms that it has for ONT,
where it's counted as one of the, I guess, checkpoints or milestones in this
rewards journey to claim or collect these NFTs and then claim 50 ONG.
I thought I saw somewhere, maybe it was on the tweet, where it was translating that to $10.
So, not bad.
Yeah, it is a tweet from April 22nd, which is two days ago.
10 winners, 50 USDT.
Oh, 10 winners. Sorry. I read that as $10.
So cool.
Good to see that there are some incentives there for community engagement.
And then there's like a whole infographic, which then goes to kind of break this down even further.
I'm going to go ahead and pin this in the space. That way,
if you are in the audience and you want to learn more, you're welcome to check that out.
That is from the Ontology blog or the Medium article. So GM, good to have you all up here.
That would have been short if Polaris didn't show up because that was a very small
article. I thought that was going to be a lot longer how you doing polaris
gm gm all good i'm just like um trying to search in the audience for jeff he doesn't seem to be on
the scene yeah he lied to us, man. Not the first time.
Never mind.
But yeah, that seems like an excellent
initiative here. You try not to get him
in trouble over here? You're like, never mind.
He'll be here, bro. I'm sure he'll
must be something, something.
Yeah.
To be fair, this was scheduled an hour
earlier, and I just simply asked a question
and then he changed it to an hour later.
So I didn't say to change it.
I just said, oh, by the way, I want to make sure I'm not going crazy here.
Bro, I think, you know, when you travel a lot, this space-time continuum, it kind of goes all over the place.
It kind of goes all over the place.
I mean, I thought yesterday was Thursday for some reason.
Same here, buddy.
I kept telling my wife that tomorrow is Friday,
when indeed tomorrow, which is today, is Thursday.
So I don't know what the hell is going on.
But yeah, it could be like the age of Aquarius
and all this time shifting and we're hitting some sort of a…
Wait, what does that make? Don't start with astrology. I know nothing about that world.
Age of Aquarius. First of all, it sounds like a title of a book.
Yes, the age of knowledge. And I think because we found this planet 300 light years away, which looks exactly like Earth, it seems like, you know, we might be having some sort of time shift.
But who am I to say anything at the end of the day? But here we are.
Man, you can say whatever you want, because when you say it, you sound incredibly knowledgeable
about whatever it is you're saying. So preach on, brother.
Cheers, brother. Cheers, brother. But yeah, it's been fun. Nice to hear your voice.
I think we missed last week for some reason something happened and it's very interesting
how things are shaping up in the world of crypto and in the world really like you know trade
and trade dynamics and everything which encompasses all of those things.
It seems like we certainly are in some sort of a shift
where things are not going to be the way that we're used to. Let's put it like that.
And we've talked about quantum computing and we've talked about like hacks happening and
some very interesting news that have been coming up lately regarding all of these different concepts and how
decentralized identity could be a game changer moving forward in the realm of unknown
so the fact that i didn't know about yesterday was thursday uh yesterday was Thursday. Yesterday was Wednesday, but I thought it was Thursday.
It kind of like aligns with what I'm talking about right now because of this whole huge shift
in terms of how we're used to doing things
and how things are being done.
I think there's a gap there.
And looking forward to talking about these concepts
as we move forward into this discussion.
And GM, Billy, hope you're doing well, brother.
yeah i mean i think that there's there's a lot of conversation about kind of the
progression or evolution of technology and its application around the world
you know i had a conversation
with a group of friends
this weekend, or this week, excuse me.
And it revolved around
AI and humanity.
So we can touch on that here,
if you'd like.
The reason why I bring that up is again this whole idea of like
the evolution or progression of kind of technology and implications not just applications to
humanity and one of the things that was being asked was, do we think that AI will make work easier?
Do we think that AI is a differentiator
in terms of the way that people can move up
in terms of their position at work or just in life because of their adoption
of AI in their work and as a resource, as a tool.
And then when will AI or will AI change the way that we, as human beings,
are able to control our destiny in terms of the,
I want to be very specific here,
in terms of any kind of like future restrictions or freedoms in finding work or choosing work for ourselves.
was absolutely AI is just another tool in our toolkit at this point
where anyone who understands it and uses it
and applies it in a way that differentiates their work from someone else,
you know, to improve their process
or maybe add something else that they weren't very good at before
will make them much more marketable and employable.
And to this point, one example that was given was, will entry-level programmers be more,
I guess, desirable to employers instead of senior devs
because of the fact that a senior dev might be too specialized
in what they can produce and the tools that they use
versus a kind of novice dev has a general understanding of development, but can supplement any gaps
with AI, which I think for the most part in that conversation, there was a general agreement
that that could be the case.
And then moving on and looking at AI more globally as how it could potentially restrict some of our freedoms of choice and
opportunity in the future. And the example I gave, and I'd love to put this out here for debate,
is manufacturing in the U.S., where in order to scale business and accelerate the development of our own economic system,
we outsourced some of the cheaper, if you will, labor to other countries so that we can focus more on building a business and some of the things that
aren't so easily uh outsourced to grow our you know kind of our our own ventures here
companies businesses but overall the u.s economy and the the primary the primary benefactor of that
has been China
because they were able to do things much more cheaply
and so a lot of manufacturing went to them.
But now you see how a country like China
has been able to develop itself quite quickly
because of the fact that it's specialized in this space where there was a need
and is now, at least economically speaking, a contender or a challenger
to the economy that basically leveraged it to grow its business.
And so the proposition, or not the proposition, but what I posited to the group was
AI, we're currently leveraging it to accelerate our work, our thinking, and potentially exercise, also compete and maybe be a threat to our own
micro or global economies because it has reached a level of proficiency that we have lost or are still unwilling to do. So I'll leave it there because I know that's
huge and long, but I'd love to hear thoughts.
Billy okay that was that was a mouthful but I want to touch back because Polaris I know you're in
East Asia Southeast Asia on a regular basis and I don't know if you're down there again but but recently that sorry this is directly directly directed at Polaris there's a
doctor from Pakistan who had been developing a injectable that can determine
through your blood flow what's going on with your blood flow and possibly detect cancer now I put that in my library
the conversation was with Michael Levin on the things polar on the things you were speaking
about there Humpty the interesting part at the, when you were talking about new programmers
to older programmers or more experienced developers, um, this has a lot to do with most businesses
that the, the fact is that they, they prefer to be able to train somebody in their mode of thinking and doing.
So, yeah, somebody with more experience, if they're brought into an organization and they can be transitioned so that their experience is used to help the new developers, then you can get a dual use out of them going forward.
out of them going forward in regards to the geopolitical environment with the US
and China and obviously I'm up I'm up north right in Canada here we're not
tickle pink about his policies as for China they started in, what, 2000, or just before 2000, bringing China into the global economy and supporting them.
And that's when the businesses started transitioning from the United States to China.
And most of that was because the Americans that owned the businesses didn't want to pay the higher wages,
so they could pay a lower wage to somebody in China.
And that was generally the biggest benefit of it.
It also allowed America to offload a lot of its polluting potential to other countries.
So America's reduced that that number America has a I just was listening to a man
talking about the shipping around the globe and the fact that these tariffs are actually affecting
the volume of material coming into the LA ports and the fact that truck drivers are being
are not being employed at the same numbers as they were just a couple of
weeks ago because the amount of transit from China into the United States is
dropping there's a lot of things I mean America has benefited greatly from China
and trying to took advantage of it too far as
far as I'm concerned yeah but we are where we are right now yeah and to just
turn the hose off to deal with everything I don't think that's the right
way to go becoming an isolationist society doesn't benefit the people
that are isolating themselves and and that's just uh that's the same thing as if you take
somebody in a small town you keep those people out of that part of the town because you don't
like them eventually something's going to happen in that part of town
so those are those are my general thoughts about what you were discussing Humpty and I'll leave that
rest open I just wanted to say the one other thing sorry for continuing but as
I mentioned my library to Polaris I've shared it with Barnaby Troy Barnabas I would like to be able to post it
in the discord I had asked over a year ago about that and I just kept getting non-committal or
non answers on it no if it's it's a straight-up no and then that's fine. I can live with that.
But everything pretty much that we're discussing here is in my library.
It's a library of just under 1,900 podcasts.
I started about 10 years ago.
But I'm very current with where we are today within that library.
I'm just letting you know.
Awesome.
I guess I'll address the Discord thing real quick.
Is the issue you're having that the bot isn't letting you in?
Because from my understanding, at least the way that it's set up,
if you are cleared through the CAPTCHA bot,
more for security reasons than anything else so that we don't get a ton of spammers or bots,
you should be able to post into the channels there, no?
Unless something changed.
No, I was asking for permission
because I didn't want to post unnecessarily.
So I thought that was the best way to approach it.
Oh, no, man. necessarily so that i thought that was the best way to approach it oh no man like it's it's a
it's as long as you're not spamming you know or just like you know using negative language
against people like it's free it's open it's it's for people to conversate like i'd love for
to see you chatting away in there so no i mean you don't need permission just keep it
you know keep it kind and uh intellectual which you do usually so i would definitely say go for it
um in terms of some of the other points i i also want to make sure i didn't misunderstand
but my my my my initial point about the u.S. manufacturing in China was more to make a point about the opportunity, like you said, that China took to grow their own economy and position in the world based on a need.
And basically, the U.S. wanted to outsource manufacturing.
Fantastic.
It was able to focus on other things
because it was able to reduce the cost of labor.
No problem with that.
The point I was making is in terms of AI,
was making is in terms of AI, should we be concerned that as we leverage it for similar
reasons to want to focus on other things that AI can't do yet, that in the future there
will be competition from AI the way that there is competition from China today. There's nothing
wrong with there being competition from China today. The question is, as we experience AI's growth,
which is quite rapid in the last year,
should we at all be concerned that there might also be competition in the future from it
and with the development of a general intelligence, one that, you know, could be, and I use the word threat just to make a point in terms of like, we don't have an answer for it.
I don't know if anybody's expecting that.
expecting that. And with all those unknowns, there's a lot there to potentially lose by
being caught unaware. So that was my question. So if anybody wants to debate that or have
any thoughts on it, I'd love to hear it i mean absolutely when we look at the rate of technological
growth curve you can see very clearly that we move from a 10,000x to probably a 20,000x,
especially in the last six months.
And this is just going to keep accelerating.
And the fact that AGI is almost there, the general intelligence aspect, where your artificial intelligence becomes sentient and it starts making decisions on its own behalf.
And then you have robotics, which are powered by that AGI.
Of course, it can be extremely...
It could be a threat.
But that's not the only thing.
There's developments happening across the board.
So the technology's evolution or development curve,
even though it's according to me about 20,000 X at the moment, it's not
just AI, which is like, you know, excelling at that.
We've got so many other aspects like quantum computing as well, which is accelerating at
the same rate.
robotics are accelerating at the same rate.
Robotics are accelerating at the same rate.
And I think all of these different variables are at play here,
which are causing turmoil in the way we do business,
in the way we interact with things,
in the way we used to do things.
In terms of like the trade wars between USA and China, I suppose you mentioned like, you
know, China was sent all this business about 20, 30 years ago.
And America focused on IP, intellectual property,
and then all the labor was done in China.
Now, all of these things, they tend to merge into one singularity
tend to like merge into one singularity.
Because if on one side we've got a robot
which is capable of doing meticulous tasks
which require that IP to be actualized,
then you don't really need cheap labor,
if that makes any sense.
And the dynamics change dramatically.
And we're talking billions, trillions of dollars of business here.
So as that economic shift is happening,
and obviously if we can speculate on it while being on these talks
every week then you can imagine the people who are responsible for actually creating
policy and strategic directors who are responsible for creating the next move,
they're also aware of these things.
And a lot of speculation which was around how we would do things
two or three years ago, that has completely changed
because of these new change
dynamics.
And eventually, there was an article in 2013 or 2015 where they said that half of the people
are going to have robots as their partners.
And they predicted that to happen in 2025.
And that was pretty spot on.
Not half of the people, but like robots are starting to become companions.
And they seem to be like, you know, interacting in ways in a much more comprehensive manner.
In terms of cooking for you, cleaning for you, fighting for you, protecting you, using, helping you do work. I'll try to keep it NSFW. But yeah, I mean, you guys get the idea that like, you know, things are moving at a very critical rate.
And that certainly changes the scope and the way things are going to happen in the future.
And these ecosystems which have been created based on technology, they are also going to evolve as time goes forward.
So I've shared quite a lot of different tweets ups uh on the jumbotron
i'll start off with this chap who's literally dropped this ultimate ai guide so if anyone's
got any like you know a couple of hours to like listen to him uh it pretty much sums up everything
which has happened so far in a couple of hours.
And it tells you about the tools and how to maximize your productivity using AI.
And on another note, we've got quantum computers, which could theoretically one day crack traditional blockchain cryptography.
cryptography and as a result the ecosystems which we have created based on this technology
aka cryptography will also evolve and
it keeps like changing on a daily basis like you. We keep getting different types of news,
which seem to be moving forward.
So we've got some quantum computers
which could possibly reverse the SHA-256,
and it could literally rewrite blockchain history and could possibly crack ECDSA which is like stealing private keys.
And that places us in a very vulnerable state as an ecosystem or an industry or technologies
which are supposed to be building the future.
And then you can incorporate that curve of technology
which is increasing hundreds of thousands
of X's every few weeks.
It seems to be quite scary at this point,
because literally six or seven months ago, I was under the impression that
we're going to have quantum computing, which is going to eat up all the basic layout of Web2.
As it eats up all the basic layout and cracks the basic layout of Web2,
we have Web3 to the rescue,
and we have layers of cryptography which can secure that because it seems to
be quantum proof.
And now six months later we are in a position where it seems to be that we would literally
as an industry need to have that adaptability to be able to foresee what power of quantum computing can actually do and be able to position ourselves in such a way that this whole industry doesn't become irrelevant. It still remains relevant.
And that's very interesting for technologists and people who are like working every day in this industry.
Because these threats weren't there six months ago.
And they are now.
In December, we had the first quantum computer.
And in April, we were talking about quantum computers reversing the SHA-256.
And it changes everything. everything so it all kind of like correlates with what is happening in the world right now
in terms of how we trade commodities how we offer our services which services are relevant now and
which services are not i mean we'd still need like, I mean, two, three weeks ago,
someone was saying we still need like people to like make homes. And I shared them a video of an
AI bot tiling in the most immaculate manner you could imagine. So we weren't expecting that.
So we weren't expecting that.
What's the solution?
The solution would definitely be to keep grinding and creating systems which acknowledge this change.
change and it empowers that change empowers the way things are being run and as as that change
happens we use that we ride that wave instead of creating uh or waiting for a new wave to happen.
So in terms of trade, in terms of identity, in terms of saving online information and our credentials, I think we would need to literally approach this whole issue from ground zero.
We would literally have to do some sort of a SWOT analysis where all of these threats are kept on the highest priority
and create systems based around these concepts.
systems based around these concepts and i will i've talked about this quite a lot of times where
eventually we will lead towards a a general basic income a universal income universal
income for every human out there so we touch on the humanity aspect
So we touch on the humanity aspect.
That once you have that, like what would be the next step?
What do we classify as productivity as a human?
What exactly does it mean to be human?
And once we answer these questions in a comprehensive manner,
we would be able to identify that how do we maximize our humanity.
And it gets very deep, like when we start pondering on to these issues, we realize that this is going to get really deep and it's going to restructure the way we handle humanity as a human race,
if that makes any sense.
Yeah, I mean, it makes absolute sense.
I would say, you know, UPI has been something
that has been discussed for a long time.
This is not new.
This is not inspired by, you know, AI or the proliferation of AI.
I mean, this was a very early kind of idea when crypto
first being developed
at least as a
way of
promoting some of the
opportunities
or possibilities
with crypto
to that effect also it's not you know not something that was
thought up or conceived because of crypto either this is this predates it by a lot obviously
And I don't know, I'm hopeful that that is true, that that remains a priority, probably better if AI is going to take most of our jobs so that we can focus on things that we're passionate about and enjoy doing and things that require our humanity in order to, for us to be able to achieve, then in that case, and obviously there's an income for the work that AI
is doing, there should be
a way
to spread
that wealth
to everyone else
through some sort of UBI
I'd like to see that
I don't know if that's a priority for enterprises who are building it,
but it sure as heck would be nice, right,
to be able to share some of the value or the upside
of the work that AI does
in order to facilitate a better life for everyone else.
And the one thing that I can think of
to connect the dots here
so that it's not purely just aspirational
or this is something that has been discussed
but I haven't seen any movement,
I will admit that it is very interesting that Sam Altman, who is deeply involved with OpenAI,
is also the same person who is deeply involved with WorldCoin or whatever it is that they go by now.
Or whatever it is that they go by now.
And if those two projects were to come together, that would be a really awesome thing to see. they're able to provide some value in return to improve the quality of life of humanity
through the advancement of technology.
I'll believe it when I see it, is all I can say.
I mean, we're getting there.
We are getting there.
And I think, like, as I mentioned, like, we need to, as I mentioned, we need to approach all of these issues from the ground zero.
That would mean that the way we look at enterprises, the way we look at industries, the way we look used to do business 30 years ago or 20 years ago
it starts from there we use the technology towards our advantage we move forward but i think it's going to start creeping like the way the internet started creeping.
In the 1990s, we didn't have everyone using the internet.
1980s.
And then before 2000, the surge of internet users completely changed.
The surge of Internet users completely changed.
Web2 was born between this 90s,
2000, 2010 era, before BTC.
So it changed the dynamics,
how we do things.
And once those dynamics got changed it paved the way
it paved the way for web 3. and web 3 was something which no one was accustomed towards
it started with btc then ethereum and then from there
then Ethereum, and then from there,
you know, cryptography became the thing.
We had Peercoin, we had all of these different
cryptographic avenues which people could explore.
And then from there, it moved on towards
DeFi summer 2017,
where everyone was talking about,
no, it was the ICO summer, sorry,
where everyone kind of like came in,
utilizing the power of cryptography
and incorporating real world businesses or problems.
Whether it was a success or not, that's a different discussion.
But like, you know, the creative aspect was evolving.
And then from there, fast forward, DeFi summer came.
And then from there, fast forward, we had uni swaps.
We had like all of these pancake swaps and all of that stuff.
And then from there, we went into NFTs.
Where community engagement, community.
Like it started off with 10,000 people bonded together using PFPs and developed little small areas of communities. we hit meme coins where instead of 10 000 people involving themselves in a community
we move forward towards inclusivity where everyone was involved and then from there we moved on to
well the next meta seems to be d5 on btc and the reason why d5 on btc and why it's significant
towards this timeline which i've just mentioned is because of the whole quantum and ai integration
which wasn't there before and because as we move forward,
encryption and cryptography under the realm of quantum computing and AI
is going to be an extremely difficult task to be able to keep secure.
And all the brains are going to be working towards securing the Bitcoin network so that it's still usable.
And then from there, decentralized finance is going to start.
And then I think a new trend is going to emerge after that.
after that so if you look at that timeline and the evolution of technology from the internet
to all the way to where we are at right now uh i think this is really very interesting
and at some point there's going to eventually redefine the way businesses are done
organizations are run and redefine human which i mentioned in my previous conversation like just that
like that concept of humanity is going to get redefined we're going to a school
learning how to do certain concepts so that you can eventually get a job
where you pay your mortgage
and then you have kids
and then you work
and then you do something
artistically on the side
and then eventually it's time for you to leave the planet.
I think all of this is going to be correlated with each other
and wealth is going to...
The term wealth is going to be changed towards a different rhetoric
where wealth will just be an anomaly everyone's going
to have all the basic necessities which are required accumulation of wealth due to the
transparent nature of ai quantum computing and cryptography is not going to be the same as what we experienced 50 60 100 years ago
which as a result is going to give humanity a chance to redefine what humanity truly is
and what makes us human and i think that agi is going to certainly challenge that concept
to certainly challenge that concept.
And we might have some sort of a Terminator scenario.
Hopefully not, but like, you know, where AGI goes like,
yo, I think we are more humans than you.
Because all the traits which you define humanity as,
we possess more of that.
So, interesting.
It's going to be really interesting.
I'm surprised how the time's flown by today, man.
Yeah, it's been a good chat.
I appreciate you as always, Polaris.
I see a hand up.
Billy, is that a new hand or is that an old hand
that you have up?
A new hand.
Oh, what's up?
Two things. First of all don't want to take that
silly hand down um it went back up again anyways uh polaris again not directed to you but what you were talking about with the quantum industry. The CEO of NVIDIA made
a public statement about quantum computing and the fact that he didn't think it was going
to be as big as people think it's going to be.
And unbeknownst to him,
there were a number of trading companies,
companies that have stocks and their stocks all fell
as a result of this statement.
So what he did was he gathered 12 of them,
12 of the different companies and their representatives
to a stage and it did include google and microsoft and d-wave the canadian outfit i talk about but
it's a two-hour video i put it in my library. I'd recommend you take a look at it
and you'll get a much better idea of where we are
with the quantum computer.
My last minute, sorry if I'm extending us here.
And my last minute here, Humpty, you were talking about
what's transpiring with this change
that we're going to be experiencing
as a result of AI entering the workforce.
And somebody shared a picture with me yesterday
of a drone operator washing the windows of a high rise.
And I said, well, the drone should be paying a 10% income tax now that might
shock a lot of people here but if we keep losing workers into the void as it
were and we're not finding proper ways of employing them or making them work
for the country as it were financially then financially, then, yeah, AI is going
to have to be taxed at a replacement value.
For every person that's taken out of the system, AI pays a 10% income tax back to the government
because you just can't have money not going to the government.
It's not going to work out well.
Yeah, appreciate those final thoughts.
Yeah, this has been a really great talk.
I would say if I've taken anything away aside from a hopefully better understanding of everything that's happening around us with these very complex topics is i'd love to see more of your uh insights billy
especially those to do with your um library on discord so i'm excited to see that.
With that said,
this has been a fun chat.
Thank you so much to everybody who's joined us.
I see a lot of new faces down there. So it's really great to see
more people discovering
this space,
more people joining
and sticking around.
Highly recommend checking out uh the ontology discord
the ontology telegram all of it linked at ont.io we will be back next week probably wednesday i'm
gonna let you know now because i'm gonna be traveling thursday so i will not be able to
jump on this space on thursday but want to make sure that we keep these going
so I should be able to join on Wednesday instead
with that said
Kolaris, go ahead and sign us out, man
cool, yeah, amazing conversation
thanks for everyone who's joined us
I might be in Poland on Wednesday
but I will try my best to you know
jump in it's only an hour i'm gonna see what's the situation and looking forward to having another
amazing conversation next week but in the meanwhile everyone look after your mind, your body, touch grass, keep learning, and adios. Thank you.
