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PsyDAO Town Hall - Psilocybin Decriminalization
Recorded: Nov. 16, 2022 Duration: 0:54:58Space Recording
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Hello. Welcome, y'all. We'll just take a few minutes to get people in.
It's my first time hosting a town hall and maybe a Voices even, so kind of just seeing
what features we have in here.
Oh, nice.
Maybe since it's just the three of us in here right now, I can add both of y'all up as speakers
and we can just kind of chit-chat.
So I think I sent y'all...
I think I sent y'all a speaking request.
Cool.
Cool.
Hey.
Hey.
Hey.
Hey.
Hey.
This is Brittany?
Yeah.
Hey there.
Cool.
Hey.
Hey.
Hey.
This is Brittany?
Yeah.
Hey there.
Cool.
Maybe then you can just co-host with me.
Welcome to the couple of people who have just joined.
We were just taking, you know, a couple minutes to let others pop in before we get started.
Hopefully Nelson and Toptino have some info on psilocybin decriminalization so we can all
chit-chat about that in a bit.
Shai, I know you had, like, questions about the subject, but the person who was hoping to be in here...
Yeah, I have so many questions.
Me too.
Me too.
I wanted to dive into this.
I'm surprised we haven't seen any, like, videos of people cheering in the streets in Colorado and Oregon.
I mean, it's huge.
It's really major.
I felt, like, warmth in my heart when I saw that the new decriminalization law passed in Colorado.
I saw that Riley, I don't know if you follow him and maybe I can...
I think there's a way that I can highlight his tweet because I thought it was really cool.
There was, like, I don't know if it was his place or somewhere in Colorado or maybe it was the one that was happening in Oregon.
Let me look through his feed.
But they had, like, vote yes on this prop and then...
Oh, here we go.
How can I highlight this?
Hmm.
Share tweet.
Okay.
Can you see it?
Yes.
Isn't that cute?
Like, the mushroom blow-ups with the signage.
So cool.
Oh, wow.
That's amazing.
Yeah, that's so awesome.
I wonder, like...
I wonder if it was the other...
That's for all the women.
I feel like it's just for the voting.
Incredible.
It's super cool.
Yeah.
Um, so I don't know the other two of y'all that are here in this room, but maybe I can just kind of give a little briefing of what the intention of this meeting is and then maybe we can talk a little bit more about psychedelics.
Um, basically, we host this town hall bi-weekly.
We are probably thinking about maybe lessening it to once a month just so that it's more concentrated and intentional.
But it's just to kind of give a recap on what we've been doing as a DAO, what the different working groups are working on, what we're aiming for, you know, over the next, you know, few weeks or so.
Um, as well as, you know, have a portion of the conversation be psychedelic related.
Um, so I was hoping today to maybe chat more about psilocybin and mushrooms and, you know, the legalities of it all and, you know, the culture of it all.
Um, so as far as, um, the DAO happenings go, um, my name is Brittany.
I work, um, in the, um, community working group, um, which is, you know, community building focused as well as, uh, there's an element of marketing involved.
Um, so, you know, right now we are putting our brains together to figure out what is the best way to engage the side out community.
We want to know what people are expecting from side out.
We're thinking about how we might activate, um, in, in person events over the next year.
So, um, I'm super excited to, um, check out psychedelic conferences this year.
I've spent the past, this past year doing a lot of crypto conferences.
And so, um, I think it'll be fun to kind of explore what's being discussed at psychedelic conferences.
Um, for those of y'all in here, if you have ideas of like what you want to see, um, uh, you know, through the side out community and what we, what we're creating, um, feel free to share, um, DM, DM the side out account, um, join the discord.
Um, I'm like, let's talk about it as far as the other working groups go.
Like there's the deal for working group.
I know that there's a couple of projects that, you know, we are, you know, figuring out how to support.
Um, I can't really speak to that yet.
Um, but hopefully we'll have some more news around those things very soon.
Um, our ops, our ops working group, um, basically we're working on our, um, governance, um, structures and processes.
And, um, so, you know, as we are a DAO, again, if you have any input around those things, um, feel free to jump in the discord and get in that conversation.
It's great to have other people's perspectives on how, um, to navigate governance and different, um, processes for, you know, building this organization.
Um, that's sort of all of the things I can really cover on what's happening, um, as far as that goes.
But I see we have, um, Ty in here and Patrick.
I know you guys are really involved in the psychedelic space and I would love to invite y'all up as speakers.
So maybe we can talk a bit about what's happening with psilocybin and other, um, other psychedelic news.
Is that cool with y'all?
Is that cool with y'all?
Could you emoji maybe a heart or a fire before I send over an invite?
Cool.
Let's see.
Okay, Ty, I just sent you one.
Patrick, I don't, I don't know if you, if you emoji'd, if I can send you an invite, but I'll
just send you one.
And if you don't want to, you don't have to.
Um, okay.
Okay.
Hi, Ty, how are you?
Patrick, I think you should have, I think I should have sent you an invite.
Okay.
Thanks.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
Okay.
well maybe we can just kind of i don't know tyler maybe you can um kind of get us going or give us
your take on like the where things are at and maybe if you have a bit more information could
you could you talk about what um what happened in colorado and what um yes on 22 122 means
and now that it's passed what happens
hey can you guys hear me yeah yeah so i actually haven't uh read detailed into the prop passing
i've just been like passively tracking the news because i got married recently and so i'm just
getting now back into everything that's happening outside in the world um so i don't have too much
information or background but i do know that it's important to really dig deep into what
the motivations and the people that back this bill are because from what i have read i know
that there's some out of state people backing it maybe some heavy capitalist for-profit people who
are really vying for this to be passed and so even though on that surface it seems good for the
industry it's still really important to keep track of where like why this passed who is the one that
was pushing it through who are the people that are pushing it through um and to make sure that the
rights of individuals are not being trapped upon even if it seems like they're being expanded
um the other cool thing that i think and then only in colorado this would happen is that i think that
they denied this they limited sales of alcohol in some way but they legalized or decriminalized
psychedelics in this way and i think that that's the general trend of um drug use in this country is
going is going towards these um these substances that are useful and maybe more difficult to
understand but in shying away from these simpler substances that um are more maybe more traditional
in our society but more dangerous for our bodies that's pretty interesting i didn't know i didn't know
about the alcohol element of it is that like raising the buying age what does that mean i think it was
limiting the like delivery sales in some way like the doordash breaks um again i haven't i didn't read
detailed into it but i just remember seeing some comments on the um the trend in these laws passing
is somehow alcohol is limited and and then somehow it's like you know it's were expanded um and i think
it's just a really cool incubation place for this sort of trend to begin i mean it's this began in
colorado with cannabis it's probably going to begin there with um other plant medicine psychedelics as
well yeah totally do you do you know much about um the decriminalization of it in oregon because i know
that what was voted on was for people to opt out of access to um psilocybin do you know anything about
that uh i don't know enough to speak on it no
what about you shy what were what were you thinking around the subject maybe
we can pose some questions and think about it together so i've done like just a bit of reading
about it and uh i'm not really like familiar with how state laws in the states work but since i don't
live in the states but uh i did understand that it is legal now to cultivate privately and um and have
like up to a certain uh it's not legal to trade so you can't open a dispensary um that's in colorado and i think that's true for oregon too
um but just the fact that you can cultivate and i'm guessing no one's going to persecute i know unless you really go overhead and and open a
uh a dispensary um which actually they might if if behind it there's like a big venture capital like
compass pathways or some other company that wants to have that those two states as you know uh though
the first uh to to go to market with their clinics they might actually
prosecute individuals who who sell but i don't know
where do you live and what are what is the state of things um in your place
so i live in israel um it's illegal um it's happening i know obviously several people who
well i know that it's done you can get it here um but it's not like a big law enforcement
issue maybe because it's not a big uh consumption uh item yet um if it were i don't know maybe we
would stop having wars um but as it is right now we we don't use a lot of psychedelics uh relatively i
think um and they don't prosecute it a lot i mean i know of several cases i've heard of but nothing big
yeah interesting i haven't i haven't heard anything on what's going on in psychedelics
in israel what about you ty where are you based and what um what's going on there
uh sorry was that reference reference to me yeah i was just wondering like what state you live in or
where you are and like what yeah state of globalization i am in phoenix arizona um we were
one of the first to legalize cannabis medically and we just published or legalized it recreationally
and i mean i tend to think that states that were open to cannabis will be the first ones open to
psychedelics but i haven't seen or heard anything um legislature wise in the state yet um i'm slowly
tapping into the psychedelic scene here in phoenix and hopefully there will be like kind of the breeding
grounds for that to happen and hopefully if possible i can get in on some stuff that early but
and i can have something to report but for right now i know that um there's not much talk about in
arizona yeah i live in i live in lisbon and i think i think all drugs here are decriminalized um
but yeah i actually don't i i really don't know much um around it i was in la before this it's funny
because i i don't really ever hear much about what's going on on the east coast nor the midwest
as far as the subject goes um do you know anything about the east coast of america like what you know
what states are the most liberal like if anyone is like moving towards um decriminalization yeah
there's a town in massachusetts i believe somewhere in the northeast that has decriminalized
plant medicines i feel like every state has a little different language surrounding what
they're decriminalizing and then more the midwest but michigan and ann arbor also has is one of those
municipalities that has uh some sort of decriminalization i feel like there's a couple
other ones on the east coast but they're just like specific towns rather than a broader like state level
decriminalization uh decriminalization you know what i think psychedelic alpha has a decriminalization
tracker on their website i'm in the car right now but i believe that they recently published that
and might be useful maybe for this conversation as well cool i'm going i'm going on their website
right now oh my god access denied how is that real oh well if anyone is on psychedelic alpha
team the website is down in this call oh no i gotta check it out i've talked to josh pretty regularly
so i can let them know yeah i'm getting a message from cloudflare that i need access to the website
well um gosh i don't know it seems like we all we all have some questions around the subject and need to
need to learn more ourselves um i was hoping we would have a few more people in here to dive further in
is there anything that is on y'all's minds is there any ideas floating around on like
on decriminalization on side out that we can maybe like get into
is one one two two like the the bill that passed like does it make sense to like make it a thing like
420 that can can we do like a thing on january 22nd
that's a great idea yeah that's hilarious um that could be cool yeah that maybe that's something we
can explore
we'd have to do a lot of campaigning to like really like let everyone know
like exactly what our angle is yeah we can do like an international um
um how do you call it in english like hide the treasure like treasure hunt
what do you mean you know like when like every now and then they they do it in tel aviv like with
weed or something where they like they do a game and they're just like bags of weed all over the city
that's not confined so we can do that like internationally that that's definitely gonna get
someone someone's police on you but just like a like a psychedelic geocache system
i mean
let's propose it let's propose it let's talk to the lawyers let's see um if we are
or an organization that can um rally around internationally distribute
if you don't like like straightforward hand people and ask for money i don't know you know
i do like the idea of an international um scavenger hunt that sounds really fun
um down to brainstorm what that looks like that's also kind of fun too just a way to activate
like in different cities for conferences as well um that's a good idea
patrick i sent you an invite request to speak so if you if you are interested in chatting like
the invite should be there so that you can jump in on this conversation
top tino you also have an invite so feel free to join
i have a question related to sideo or like discussion so i know that it's not totally
hashed out and maybe you can't speak to it but
is um sideo aiming to fund or help support other types of uh businesses or services in
the psychedelic space besides research like are they interested in supporting other sorts of like
therapeutic or even like quasi recreational type things or is it kind of mainly just focus
on the research aspect um i guess just from my own perspective of things like
yes the major focus is research just based off of like the other dows we're affiliated with and that
being their focus too um but i would think i would think that we want to you know support other efforts
i i would want to um personally um i think what is exciting about psychedelics is that it kind of
it kind of branches out into other realms it really does yeah and so one thing i've realized too is
that like there's so many interdisciplinary and other areas that psychedelics could be involved in
besides just the science or the like the yeah yeah exactly like just like the nature of what psychedelics
are like it's it's expansive it's mind expanding um it you know it shows up in different ways
i mean my like my own interest in participating is you know through art i'm an artist and i want to
figure out how to create art experiences through our community and engage with people that way
um and who knows what kind of research too can come from like an artist as well
we can have like the first dao owned a psychedelic retreat
that's actually one of the things i was thinking about um that would be so cool
we've kind of like floated that around through like you know smaller team conversations um
that would be really fun that would be really fun i mean well in portugal i've started to kind of
like put feelers out on like what what sort of like ceremonies and retreats have been happening i
haven't really been to many psychedelic retreats and i kind of want to like explore a bit because
i think that would be a super cool thing for the dao to provide if if it's something that's possible
i think that you know everyone has their own path to and through psychedelics and to have services that
are dao owned like every step of the way for people whatever path they take would be would be
really cool because they could it's kind of like you know one of the things that excites me most about
vita dao for instance is that you can be a patient collective that partially owns the
drug that you take and while i don't think anyone should own psychedelics people can collectively own
the facilitation in society and every other step of the psychedelic experience and they can own
partially own the path that they are taking through it rather than like needing to go to the like
illicit market or maybe in the future like vc backed you know for-profit companies
yeah i totally feel that i i would hope that like you know a service that we provide
is education i think you know that's you know so it's so important when getting involved
um in psychedelics um it's just to know how to navigate it yeah i would love to be able to curate
the experiences and have a yeah have a way for all of us to um share our different you know i'd imagine
like as we continue to grow the organization we're going to get people who are you know who know how to do
these things we're going to get plenty of healers involved and people who are organizing retreats
and stuff i think that's cool i think that's something we should we should talk more about
it's a good idea yeah what i've been doing can hey can you guys hear me i've been having some
technical difficulties yeah so i've been starting to organize like group work and integration circles
and that kind of thing i'm just sort of getting excited about the peer support and sort of
community models as opposed to like one-on-one therapist um or even like more expensive retreat
settings and yeah i'd be curious if side i was going to be doing things like that like just say
like an integration circle or just ways for for people to connect over like their actual use of psychedelics
we definitely want to we were we were just talking about an integration circle yesterday and shy even
you know we were we've been discussing like what like a journal club looks like um but yeah i think i
think we're open to doing all of these things we should we should um we should do this
because i think too we partner really well with i mean yeah a dow owned retreat is a that's an
exciting big goal but you know like these that's a an amazing in-person community event of actually
going on the journeys together and then actually being able to to integrate and support each other
over the long term stuff like that is is very exciting to me yeah i'm like super hyped on this now i
want to i want to start planning the retreat i want to start thinking about that
um i volunteer to host uh if if anyone wants to come to israel i live in a ecological
sort of ecological kibbutz in the south in the desert a great location and i would do my best to
come to anywhere in europe if it happens there um yeah cool yeah this is this is super exciting i mean
this is something that yeah i feel like maybe we can start to map out and see you know what what's
needed and really strategize around it i think it's i think it's brilliant
bringing it back to like legislature the other you know implication of having a dow
where you know that has a treasury is being able to help fund uh like pushing legislature through
governments in various places around the world i don't know if there's any precedent of like a dow
backed bill but it's like a deluxe is like right now at the forefront of you know new
polit political stuff happening
yeah i mean
yeah part of that
yeah that's super interesting to think about like uh using pooling resources in the form of a dow for
what i'm thinking about is like some kind of lobbyist group you know like people buy in with
with an intention to to change legislation
i mean i'm super bullish on that i i really want i really care about like having an impact in that
capacity as well as yeah like advocacy angle of everything um
it's something that like we've been starting to talk about but haven't like had
full-on conversations around it but super impactful super important
um these are like really um these are like really good ideas i'm glad we're talking about them here
side note not that we're here for that but great source for liquidity
i mean or if if the dow has a token and you like sell tickets or just psychedelics
uh in a retreat like people would buy the token not that we're here for that
i think that's an interesting concept though like an nft or something that allows you access to
a retreat or some sort of other community thing or like a certain integration circle or like a
workshop that like it there is a utility there i think
yeah definitely
i mean we basically like so it's kind of like what um
cabin dow does sort of like it's not a psychedelic retreat but they're like
they own property i believe as a dow and then people can um i think request to use the spaces
um i'm really i really like that concept
which one cabin dow cabin dow yeah yeah they're awesome um really interesting
hi graham i'm wondering if uh it'd be okay to invite you up i know that you probably have some
some good insight on the legalities of things
can we sell psychedelics internationally
that's the question graham i sent you a speaker and
and launder the money with our own no
no no of course
we can ask graham that as well
graham we're floating around the idea of an international scavenger hunt for psychedelics
as well as a dow owned psychedelic retreat
do you think those concepts are possible are they legal
oh graham you still haven't accepted the speaker invite so
if you're trying to speak you have to go in and look
and accept the speaker invite
just while he figures that out circling back around to the retreat thing and legality
i live in peru and yeah like certain psychedelics are very much legal here like ayahuasca retreats
san pedro and a few other a few other substances are like decriminalized in small amounts like
depending on how serious side that was in the future it's entirely possible to organize that here
okay cool
i wonder
i'm just thinking about how our um
i'm thinking about discord and i mentioned you're in peru i know that there's like a few
channels for people based on location
um i'd be curious to tap more into the peru community psychedelic community over there
how long have you lived there
uh just over a year now there's definitely
i mean there's a very large psychedelic community where i live
but there's also there's definitely a few crypto nerds too
um there probably is some some good overlap here i'll have to check out that section of the discord
super cool what made you what how did you end up there
it's kind of a long story uh long story short my wife and i drank ayahuasca and just never left
okay amazing that's a great that's a great sounds like a great psychedelic experience
cool
speaking of breaking international law
are you open
yeah i'm just kidding
but always looking for exotic spores from all over the world just saying
i was just gonna say speaking of international trade we could totally have like a side-down network
uh spore geneticist cactus geneticist or
record uh the hobbyist that just trade them around
yeah i would love that you'll grow a side-down spore
oh that's super cool
feels like everyone has their own their own strain now
like what happened in cannabis a few years ago when everyone decided they're making their own strain
now every guy i know grows cultivates mushroom has their own several strains
it's so easy to just isolate a genetic strain and just keep growing it i have one too like i grew a
gigantic mushroom one time and i've just kept that lineage going and they're just the most robust
golden teachers that i grow
like they're aggressive they grow aggressively and it's awesome
i would love a sample of that and i'll match it with
i i still haven't grown them but i have uh i've collected spores and a clone
uh add a two-headed uh golden teacher
cool is it like the head grew off of like the cap grew off of the cap upside down
or like just two caps i actually had one like that too
i had like one like that too
uh interesting i didn't know it's it's a thing
uh but no i also had one where
like the cap just split into two caps
whoa i would love to see if that could be replicated
yeah i want to see
i'll look there welcome
maybe we can merge the two strains
oh yeah okay i'm gonna dm you and we can we can get each other's uh addresses
i still have like a gigantic spore print um from that one mushroom
awesome like it'll i'll never run out of it
cool exciting
sarah it's nice to have you join in we were we were having questions what's
going on in oregon and maybe also if you knew
some insight on what what's happening in colorado too
colorado was successful in passing their measure
which is and now their uh advisory board has a year
to decide how to implement the program and it'll come uh
to fruition i guess uh in
january 2024
here in oregon
i haven't actually checked the map i've just
i kind of had my head down because it's like a crazy
political and crypto week so i was doing my own thing
um uh jackson county which was kind of
oh so we here in oregon i live here um
legalized or decriminalized all psychedelics in small amounts
and then legalized assisted adult use
psilocybin sessions which we did that two years ago
our working group had two years to come up with the rules
and now the adult assisted sessions will
technically be legal january 2nd
uh but counties and municipalities were given the option to opt out
of having service centers producers
um basically anything in their jurisdiction
jackson county which is like
basically where
a lot of groups have invested in real estate there
was did put opting out on the ballot measure and so it was
very scary financially for uh people who had heavily invested in the
area but uh the opt-out measure did not pass
so those folks are very excited about that i'm sure
um we have we're feeling pretty positive about
our governor who's supportive of the measures
uh the other candidate who could have been elected
was going to roll back the decrim
uh of psychedelics the 110
and that would have made things worse
uh but so i think overall the psychedelic scene in oregon
and uh colorado are flourishing and it's good
cool shy i know you had um some questions around this what were you thinking
um so basically if i understood it correctly so anyone can cultivate and own their own
uh psychedelic mushrooms is that correct
well no that's not correct so you can be in possession of about uh of 12 grams of psilocybin
mushroom and have very minimal legal impact
uh neither measure 109 or measure 110
uh allowed for home grow uh i actually sit on a advocacy board
and we are working to expand first in portland and then take it to the rest of the state
but make home grow uh the lowest priority for our law enforcement
uh and we just had a commissioner we've been working on this for two years
and we just had a city commissioner who was re-elected thankfully uh pick up our cause
uh we were going to take it to a ballot measure
but it'd be great if we can get it started here in portland but no you cannot
without fear of some kind of legal issue be growing at home right now
um it's it's not deprioritized yet but we would we are working hard to make that happen
in city of portland and then expand to the state okay cool another like two questions one is
do you see like in the foreseeable future any state district town city legalize like in a dispensary level
um traded level and two like i find that like a good measure of how
how easy it is to cultivate and and get is like the price so like what would it cost you to get like
five grams or a gram in colorado or oregon like is it still like so underground that it's expensive
uh the second question it's not that expensive uh i don't feel comfortable answering anything else
but it's it's pretty affordable
fair pretty fair not asking for myself i don't live in the states but uh thanks
yeah and then what was your first question oh the legalization or markets so the biden administration
has mentioned a couple times that they will reschedule mdma and psilocybin right now their
schedule ones which means like with the dea which means that they have no known medical use
and because of the fda approved trials that are going on right now that are being put on by maps
and compass and a few other companies uh they are proving medical use there is actual usda funding
well actually it's usd i don't know if it's department of ag funding but they are funding a smoking
secession psilocybin uh trial i believe ecsf gets some government funding as far as like a truffle store
that you could walk into or dispensary or like smart shops that you would experience in vancouver
or netherlands that is happening in some places currently it's not legal so there it's a risk-taking
behavior uh but it has to get moved rescheduled even to like a schedule two you're still that you would
need a prescription to get it so i don't see i i think it's at least five years but i you know i'm
not a i have no idea because things happen at breakthrough speed so but obviously in the next
two years it would be amazing to see md and mdma and psilocybin rescheduled which means there'd be a lot
more access but not at the walk into a store and have an over-the-counter purchase in a legal fashion
cool yeah i think here in israel we're pretty close to have mdma treatment legalized um and you meant
vancouver can you sorry uh did you mention vancouver has like the same legality as
is like the netherlands uh i don't know if they have the same legality i am just aware that there are
very other are multiple smart shops in vancouver where you can go in and have over-the-counter purchase
of psilocybin in many forms
cool
and i'm like i i don't live that far and i feel like i need to just go check it out
a quick little road trip
yeah i literally have like maybe one meeting this week i could do it oh okay
just throw that on the agenda really quick i know i'm like i'm not really doing anything
important the rest of the week and then maybe i'll have something important happening next week but
might be a good week
well are there any other thoughts or questions
um on anyone's mind um cool beans the other listener in here if you if you want to participate
um let me know you can send a little emoji if you have any questions and i can send you a request
to speak
i'm curious if everyone in here uh is also in discord
and maybe like with a little 100 sign if you're or a thumbs up thanks tyler
and patrick
i can i was gonna say i can share y'all's twitters but
you we have access to each other's profiles from um through this
yeah
patrick and tyler are both um writers in the psychedelic space
um excited for y'all three to all chit chat i think uh i think there will be some cool conversations
that y'all can all have together
oh cool anybody west coast based
i'm in phoenix
nice
i'll be uh in tucson
for the gym show in february
oh i was thinking about going this year so maybe if i do go i will definitely send you a message
what's that
definitely send a message
basically like people who dig up rocks and gems come show off the best stuff in the world
that's amazing
that's amazing
yeah it's like arizona
and especially tucson is like a hot spot
cool
also a hot spot for sonoran desert toads
oh okay
treat the toad with respect
yeah
i have the uh cream shop
shirt uh protect the toads
and it's awesome
so cool
i don't know
this is just a piece of news that i found from earlier
oh do you want to say more tyler
no i was gonna uh go on a tangential
bring up a tangential topic but
please go ahead
i mean your your topic
mine is also
uh i was listening
earlier today in the deal flow group
they were bringing up
i was unaware of this but
mexico
government has
like changed their tone
on mushroom culture there
and in the last few months have like arrested
15 or so mushroom shaman
and that will go to trial in january
so the people who have been
taking care of
these
fungi for
a long time
probably need some assistance
which uh
side i was gonna
maybe
do that but
i'll just have that
in your own awareness
of what's going on
yeah ty and i were kind of
speaking about that
a couple days ago
and fit to figure out like
what is the best way
to approach this
and how we might shine light
on what's going on
you know
talk about this
it's pretty major
yeah that reminded me
i have to follow up
with my
friend who
knows a publisher
at synthetic
or a separate one
no not there
it's a separate one
but i think
synergetic
would definitely be interested
in this book
even if they can't get it out
by january
that they should definitely
be in the know about it
oh synergetic
i got it wrong
um yeah gustav i think
is going to reach out
to them
because i think
he's already been
talking with them
about something else
but yeah let me know
let me know what the
other one
says too
i don't know anyone
i mean
double blind
you know
it's like
double blind
psychedelic news
and a few
and a few
and a few others
just started
like
really
a campaign
i guess
i'm not exactly
a writer
like a campaign
around that
if once a day
something they posted
related to that
i think it could be
amazing
yeah i'm
i'm trying to think
i'm trying to
like we're having
a follow-up call
with you know
the entheum team
this week
and so i'm hoping
that we can kind of
like figure out
the best way
to have the
the highest
impact
in in supporting
them
and so yeah
i would hope
that we could
sort of like
yeah formulate
all of the right
platforms that
you know
we can get
pieces on to
you know
obviously
assemble a bunch
of writers
that we can have
to you know
talk more about
what's happening
as well as
you know
potentially help
them fundraise
and um
do what they need
to um
get people
freed
and have this
major conversation
over there
but yeah i mean
that's something
that's something
we will obviously
all start to like
learn more about
in the next couple
of weeks
and um
work on
together
cool
i love mexico
and actually
plan on
returning there
once the
psychedelic
facilitator
facilitator
training in
oregon
is complete
i just
i care
about the
situation
in mexico
which i think
a lot of
people do
and i'm also
looking forward
to friday
totally
well i mean
we're pretty
much at the
top of the
hour
i'm so
grateful that
y'all joined
and that we
got to talk
more
about
psilocybin
decriminalization
as well as
you know
maybe our
international
scavenger hunt
thank you
for joining
you guys
i will
hopefully see
y'all in
some upcoming
meetings with
the dow
otherwise
around discord
and here
on twitter
thanks britney
thank you for
facilitating
great
yeah
oh yeah
couldn't have
done it
without y'all
all right
speak to you
soon
thank you
britney
thanks
bye-bye
thank you
ciao
