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🦝RAC FM Friday: Reble terra rizing and the TFM Alliance
Recorded: May 19, 2023 Duration: 2:22:23Space Recording
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It's getting rugged, all right, so I had to jump in and out that app a couple of times,
so we've got, we'll see, I'll just send you the co-host mate, I'll be quiet while you
have come up, right? Good morning. Good morning, everybody. Well, I'm going to go to the beginning
in a second. I just didn't want to be getting rugged. We've got a pair of spaces. TFM just
sent you an invite there, yeah? Let's see if we can get you up. Perfect, absolutely
perfect. Who else are we waiting for, Brucey? Mrs. B-Bands, the Queen, the Royalty, Her Majesty.
I know that, I meant from the team, man. Oh, I don't know, is it Rebel on the account,
on the TFM account? Yes, it certainly looks like it. So, did you know that Rebel DeFi,
he didn't want to talk with Bruce, he only wanted to talk with the head raccoon, big robo?
I saw that message, yeah, mate. Thanks for that screenshot. Just give us some, like,
self-esteem today. I appreciated that, Bruce. Good lad. Yeah, because you really need that
self-esteem, right, robo? Oh, I did today, dude. What was I doing on bloody Kusama,
bloody spaces with Jake at 3 a.m.? I mean, come on, someone take my devices away. Anyway, without
further ado, good morning, Rack FM. And it's Friday the 19th of May, 0800 EST, or what does
the O stand for? Oh, my God, your man, Turner Space, has actually got out of bed to come
and listen to his friends. So, everyone, as you know, this is your fucking morning US
Cosmos Crypto Breakfast Show, brought to you, obviously, by your host, Tia Robbo, the Mayor
of Rackville, and Brucie, the plebist, Bruce Mann Rack. And guys, we've got a cracker
today, because TFM, I mean, who saw that coming? I mean, I bet a few people did, but
like, wow, they're just literally taking over the ego right now. Everybody's talking
about the bridge. Everybody's talking about the aggregator. They are hot potatoes at the
minute, right, Brucie boy? The hottest of potatoes. So hot that even a Dane wouldn't
touch it and eat a lot of potatoes. Hot, cold, mashed, not mashed. I don't know if there's
any other forms for potatoes, but yeah, the hottest of potatoes in the cosmos. Everybody
want to hold it, but nobody has the strength and power or the sheer pureness of their souls
to capture the value of what is TFM. Right, Rebel?
Morning, guys. It's the lunchtime with me in the UK, so this is, yeah, a perfect time
for a show. Thank you so much for the invite. That was a really cool introduction. I like
to think that we have pure souls. Bruce, that was class. Another kind of potato, though, come
on. Roast potatoes. Is that a Danish thing? In the UK, we love a roast potato. Yeah, but
roast potatoes are also hot potatoes, right? Oh, absolutely. They could be the hottest,
yeah. I think my mum does them at Christmas. I don't eat them, but in goose fat, apparently
that's a really good way to do a roast potato. Oh, you have no idea. Why don't you eat that
food of the gods, Rebel? That is the only thing my father cooks in, right? He cooks a
does the carrots in there. He does the parsnips. I mean, parsnips in goose fat. Holy moly,
man. But yeah, man, roast potatoes, you can't put anything, nothing else other than goose fat.
Okay, I have something you never tried. So if you take elderflowers, you know what that
is, right?
No, I'm a pleb of elderflowers. Come on, man.
You know what elderberries is, right?
Of course.
Yeah, so you take the flower before they become berries, and you take those, you pick
them, and you dip them in batter, right? And then you fucking deep fry that shit in goose
fat, and you eat it with sugar. Oh, that is very, very good.
I missed that. What do you dip the flowers in?
Batter.
Oh, batter.
You know.
Batter, right. Yeah, I got you.
Yeah, the most delicious flower on earth. Just got to put it in a deep fryer.
Bruce, we're two minutes in, and he's picking on your accent already. I love this. Welcome.
Good morning, B-Bands.
Good morning. Good morning. How's everybody? This is a lovely morning, or evening. I don't
know what time of day it is for you guys.
Let me turn the fan off. I'm back in the living room now. There we go.
It's evening for me, as you well know, but I've had one of those Fridays. Again, B-Bands,
I'm feeling extremely sorry for myself, actually, and I'm looking myself in the mirror, and
I'm saying, you're out of order.
Well, what happened?
Oh, I didn't know. I nearly, I think I nearly burst into tears on the Stargate space, just
thanking Shane for the, again, because he was down in the audience, just thanking him, like,
for the help of the wheelchair mafia, like, telling them, like, we'd sent the money and
stuff. It was on chain, and I was like, I had to jump off, you know, quickly.
Sometimes, I guess, like, exhaustion can do that, too, because you were rocking in them
spaces, even on spaces a lot these past couple of days.
Well, I mean, I'm going to have to go back and listen, but I don't think I did that bad
on the Koo Sama one, on the Dot Sama one, sorry. And your man, Jake, was up there, and
I was like, I'm going to come and throw some support here, you know. Anyway, without further
ado, I did want to say this. Looking at it, looking at the landscape at the minute, and
you two co-hosts, correct me if I'm wrong, I'll add something to the list. TFM have to be
probably in, like, all Cosmos-wide, definitely top three, like, performing project, like,
dev-wise, you think, for Q2? Like, standout project in Q2 right now, yeah?
You'll take that one, B-Banz.
Bruce, I just, I was clapping in agreement. I'm sorry, I just, I just got to the phone,
and I'm trying to get myself situated, but yes.
Did you, did you collect all of the figures and everything, B-Banz, on all of, like, the transactions
that's gone through, like, the bridge and things? Did you, did you do that?
There's so many things going on, like, I'm going to be honest, like, I really need, like,
a spreadsheet with each different project that they have going on, because
I can't keep up, like, I'm actually, I'm running out of steam, like, I can't keep up
with everything going on.
Rebel, can devs not slow down?
Listen, yeah, I mean, there is, we've actually got some stuff maybe coming out before the weekend,
I don't know if it'll be out before Robbo's weekend, but quite possibly out before B-Banz's
weekend gets started, although her weekend might have already started, but just, just,
just to jump in on that, I mean, do you not think that, like, during the last sort of cycle,
like, I was, I was just on a sort of personal level, I felt like I knew what was going on
in Cosmos, and then we went into this bear, and then teams just kept building and stuff,
and even though, like, the markets aren't going crazy, just like B-Banz said, like, there's,
there's so much going on.
I'm hearing about projects and then thinking, what's this?
Like, literally, like, something amazing has launched, and you, you just discover it.
But, um, so yeah, when you make that spreadsheet, B-Banz, I would love a coffee, please.
Yeah, I don't know, it's going to be a lot of work.
I'll get back to you.
Did you say you love a coffee, or you love a coffee?
I love a coffee, I've had one coffee, in fact, I have only had one coffee, I do, I've got
a packet of biscuits, and I'll be having some coffee after this space.
I find sometimes I get a little bit too agitated if I drink too much coffee.
Oh, what, what kind of biscuits have you got?
Oh, I love a Garibaldi meal, I've got a custard cream.
Oh, no, now you've got him started.
Listen, I just went, I went, keep it, keep it plain, I've gone for hobnobs.
Honestly, man, the price of biscuits in the UK is outrageous.
Like, outrageous.
Listen, I got that.
I cannot get a problem.
Biscuits are more than, listen,
four pounds.
Oh, I'm dying.
Wait a minute.
It takes a Scottish, a Scott and a fucking grid to talk about the price of biscuits, man,
in a bear market.
Everything is just hanging, and you're talking about biscuit prices.
What the fuck is going on?
Listen, that's what we should have done.
We should have got out of crypto and invested in biscuit companies.
We would have been millionaires by now.
It's nuts.
Like, I literally, I got back to the UK.
Like, yesterday, and I'm staying in a hotel for a few nights.
My hotel robo for three nights, it's quite a nice hotel, like, but nothing, nothing major.
Literally, three nights is not that much cheaper than a month's rent in Thailand.
Crazy.
If I'd done four nights, man, I would have spent more than a month in Thailand.
Jesus Christ.
Jesus Christ almighty.
That is mental.
Mental.
My mother's been complaining, like, going mad about the gas and electric prices.
Oh, she's kicking right off.
What was like, dude, she's like, nearly on, like, nearly £200 a month for each one of them.
Like, a bill's on a far short of £400 a month, man.
She could be having a beautiful apartment in Thailand for that.
Crazy.
Like, I'm coming back.
I'm coming back.
Oh, I do.
She's on a fucking cruise ship, man.
She's been all over the place.
She's been all over the Caribbean.
Just went into Miami, and then they've cruised off again.
She's absolutely loving life, her, man.
Like, turn the gas and electric off, I'm away.
Hey, bro, give us a ballpark figure, though.
What's the price of biscuits in the UK right now?
Is it more than, like, say, like, for a packet of Hobnobs?
Is it more than, like, £2, £2.50?
Honestly, the Hobnobs are on a deal.
Hobnobs are £139.
So, that, you might not think things are too bad, but, like, that was, like, the one cheap packet in the shop.
And it was a co-op I went to, as well.
So, that's why you're up in Hobnobs.
But, yeah.
Yeah.
Dude, I'm like that.
Whenever I go to the supermarket, I'm just literally raiding, like, everything that's on special.
Like, I love it.
Anything.
I'm telling you, two for one, three for two, I'm grabbing that shit, man.
Like.
Absolutely.
Well, talking to some actual deals.
How do you throw Hobnobs?
They're going to be bad?
I'm trying to Google this Hobnobs business.
It's just.
N-O-O-B?
I don't know.
H-O-B-B.
No, no, no.
H-O-B-B.
Well, this has started well.
H-O-B-N-O-B.
It's Hobnobs.
And you get, you know, you get B-Bands.
Hold on, hold on.
My husband's trying to spell at me, and you're, I'm going to go with what you got to say.
I love you, babe, but you got to.
What was it?
How do you spell Hobnobs?
H-O-B.
H-O-B.
H-O-B.
H-O-B-S.
H-O-B-S.
And you get, you get chocolate ones, you know.
Oh, my God.
They are probably one of the best in the world.
Don't, don't, don't, don't believe him, B-Bands.
I fucking met an Irish man in France that wouldn't fucking stop talking about Hobnobs and how fucking awesome a cookie is and the best biscuit in the world.
And then many years later, I fucking saw them in a Danish shop and I was like, oh, my God, I'm going to get the best biscuit in the fucking world.
And it was just a biscuit.
There's nothing special about that.
So don't believe them.
It's like some weird national pride thing.
No, I don't know if you've got the chocolate Hobnobs.
Can I even click them?
Shut up.
Don't believe them, B-Bands.
It's, it's a Ponzi, man.
It's a Ponzi.
Oh, look, who's joined us?
Can I say something, though?
I think I was dying when Bruce was so annoyed with me for interrupting him that he's like, how do I remove you from the earth?
Yes, I tweeted that out.
I sent it to the group chat yesterday.
How do I remove you from this earth?
Where did we find Bruce?
Oh, good morning, Finn.
The garbage.
GM, y'all, what's up?
GM, sir.
Listen, this is good.
You got me and you got Finn for the old TFM.
Finn is a longtime TFM supporter.
This is true.
And one day, TFM will support me back.
Let's go.
Well, there's been a little bit of a year there.
A little bit.
I mean, the pitch is that, what is it you want to sell Terra Spaces for a million dollars?
Is that one million?
No, the price went up now that we have a CFO.
It's actually five million now because he wants four million.
I get one of those million.
And then, yeah, it's a whole thing.
Having a CFO, probably best and worst decision I've ever made in my life.
Yeah, so I make sure that Finn cannot afford to sell, but I also make sure he cannot afford to stop working.
So it's a good business.
Good business.
It's what we call a win-win in the business situation.
Bruce won twice and I'm still working.
It's just business.
Look what Bruce is putting in the nest, man.
BTC, the biscuit trade company.
Oh, Finn, you must like a good biscuit.
Surely.
I'm a big fan of the sound the biscuits make when you pop that can and it goes pop.
And I like some B's and G's.
I like a good gravy, a nice biscuit and gravy.
Are you guys talking about cookies?
I thought this was a Terra-focused show.
I don't know why we're talking about biscuits.
Bro, me mate took us for that biscuits and gravy in the Hemingway's for, what was it for again?
Was it, I don't know, some American thing or whatever.
It was just celebrating the end of the Civil War or something.
Dude, it's actually, really?
I was like, biscuits and gravy, you dirty bastard.
And he's like, no, no, no, I'm telling you.
Dude, I've tried it.
And I'm like, fucking shit's all right, isn't it?
It depends on the gravy.
I've had some pretty watery shit.
I also didn't wake up at 5 a.m. to come talk to you fuckers about biscuits and gravy.
But here we are.
So I'll tell you, a nice spiced gravy, a little bit of spice to it.
That's what I like.
In Wendy's.
Do you go to Wendy's for that, do you?
Ew, no.
Nah, that's gross.
Wendy's is fast food, bro.
We don't eat that shit here.
Actually, we do, but not for biscuits and gravy.
You told me you used to hang around in a Wendy's at like 2 o'clock in the morning.
You remember Wendy's is a girl.
Her name was Wendy, not the restaurant, silly.
Nah, when I was a sophomore in high school, I dated this senior, and she worked at Wendy's.
And I thought it was the dopest shit, because not only because she bought me smokes, but she also brought me chicken nuggies every night after work.
And I thought that was awesome.
You were her little boy.
I was.
She drove a CRX with a booming speaker in it, and I thought I was the dopest shit in high school, because I was like 10th grade, and she was like the senior.
It was so funny.
But you were, bro.
You fucking were the dopest shit.
Turns out I was the dopest shit.
Shout out to anybody our age.
CRX.
I know exactly what he's talking about.
They were a weird little shape, a weird little car, weren't they?
Oh, they were, and people, at least where I'm from in Montana, they love to mod the fuck out of those things.
They were so stupid, but we thought they were fun back then.
I would never get in one now.
I'll tell you what, fast little mortars like back in the day.
Right, Finn?
You missed quite a lot at the beginning of the show, like the first 15 minutes.
We're 20 minutes in.
Fuck did I miss?
Y'all talking about biscuits and G's.
Like, what the fuck did I miss?
Come on.
No, we actually started, well, TFM took us down the biscuit route.
So we facilitated our guest, you know.
We're not all about ourselves, Finn.
Us three, you know.
We think of others.
But, dude, at the beginning of the show, you know, we each, in like one sentence, really eloquently, like, summed up, like, the secret to TFM's success.
So would you like to go next?
If you could just sum it up in one sentence, how are they doing?
How are they just hitting it out of the park?
I'll sum it up in one word.
Shipping!
I think that was two words.
Fuck, I think I woke my kid up.
Fuck.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking.
When he screamed like that, I was like, I bet you he woke his kid up.
That is pretty impressive, though, Finn.
Never mind one sentence, one word.
I mean, it really is down to the dead.
Yeah, just getting stuff done and then just releasing it.
Well, I think that and, like, having your ear to these cold, dark streets, I think helps.
If you're not listening to what the users are complaining about, are loving about your service, then you don't know what direction it takes.
I mean, you guys obviously have the vision in the dev's mind of what he wants or she wants it to do.
But, like, that only gets you so far.
They, oh, thank you.
Of what your robot wants it to do, then, you know, that only gets you so far.
But you have people like Rebel, who is in all of these different circles and can listen to all of these different people bitch about, you know, what doesn't work or what could work better or whatever.
And then they're quick to enact that.
It's kind of the same thing Leap was doing.
Remember when Ambedo was like, man, I wanted this thing.
And, like, I mentioned it.
And then the next day, like, it was there.
You know, like, that kind of shit.
That's what you've got to do, especially in a market like this.
Like, you've got the time.
Man, listen to the people and see what the fuck they want.
But you need the resources as well.
So, TFM, I'm going to come in and say I didn't, like, get Rick going and research the team and stuff like that.
Right.
So, what's your exact role within the organization just for the audience and stuff?
Well, I'm the CFO and I do a lot of the content.
Oh, sorry, you're talking.
Leap.
Finn has joined many a time.
We used to do a lot of spaces and Finn would always record them.
We didn't buy out to our spaces, but we contributed a little bit here and there.
So, I mean, my role is flexible, sort of community management, sort of marketing-y stuff, business development-type stuff.
Also do a bit of software testing.
So, yeah, quite a lot of different responsibilities in there.
But really just sort of trying to get the word out.
Jack of all trades.
Are you a jack of all trades, are you?
Jack of all trades, master of none, but oftentimes better than a master.
What is it?
Jack of all trades.
It's a master of none, oftentimes better than a master of one.
Not often.
Always better than a master of one.
Is it always?
Well, see, I mean, that's the thing.
People think a jack of all trades ain't that good.
But sometimes a jack of all trades is kind of what's required.
So, the thing with a jack of all trades is that it's every time it's nice to be a jack of all trades.
Because whatever situation you're in, that's a trade you're a jack of.
You're a jack of.
I couldn't help myself.
Bruce says it, it sounds like he's trying to say you're a jagoff.
So, let's not be a jagoff.
But, yeah, obviously, when it comes to building something like TFM, being a jack of all trades isn't what's required.
So, yeah, very, very skilled team of devs, which is great to work with.
But they lucked out with you, though, because of your position at OC and just within, like, the lunatic community.
Like, you're OG, GP, GT capital, GPT cap.
I mean, like, you've been around.
I think you were around before I was.
And so, like, they have, they basically tapped into the heart of this DGEN shit when they got you on.
I'll just sit back and let Finn keep shilling the old rebel defy here.
That's awesome.
But, I mean, it's great to be involved with a team, to be honest, and just sort of see how it works on that side.
So, like, if there's anyone involved in the audience, and I can see a few, like, I mean, because we're here, I mean, a lot of us have the skills that teams are interested in.
So, yeah, keep your eyes and ears open.
And if you're interested, someone may well snap you up.
So, dude, I do want to say, like, hello to the tank in a second.
But I've just got this one line of questioning before we jump elsewhere.
So, devs, you mentioned about the team.
Exactly how many devs are there in total working?
There's, yeah, front-end, back-end, there is a team.
I don't have an exact number for you, but it's more than just a couple of guys.
In fact, there are different sexes on the team, which is pretty cool.
I'm calling nonsense right there.
Picks or it didn't happen.
Wait, did he say there's different sexes?
Yeah, man.
Yeah, like, they curate multiple CEXs that they curate from.
Oh, okay.
I thought you were saying that there was multiple sexes.
Like, you have lots of, you have some females, you have some males, you have some, you know.
That's the B-Bands, B-Bands.
B-Bands, you and me are on the same wavelength.
You're a Finn.
Finn's getting all.
He's just up at five in the morning.
He's taking the piss.
He's doing what Finn always does.
Trying to defuse.
God damn.
I missed that one.
Shit.
Shit.
So, yeah, you know, it's a great team to be involved with.
And, yeah, to be able to sort of work with these people is amazing.
And do you just run it like, would you clarify yourselves, run like a tight ship, you know,
following like good business practices and just like run it like a business, yeah?
Oh, absolutely.
I mean, that's what I think all these different crypto projects sort of have to do.
Well, they have to do and currently do are completely different things.
Bruce, as CFO, you should be taking notes here, okay?
I'm not sure if you're the boss of me.
I think it's the other way around.
I'll be taking notes for you, sir.
Thank you, sir.
You know, the reason I ask that is, Rebel, is because, you know, we often hear about these
like big bloated teams and, you know, they get lethargic and they're doing a ship.
Like, I just envisage you guys as being like, you know, a lean, mean, like shipping machine.
Do you know what I mean?
Yes, yeah, no, I mean, I would say that's a fair way to put it.
Yeah, there's...
What do you think when you look around these big teams and you see all this like waste and
like a load of teams and massive funding?
You must like, do you just shake your head at that kind of shit or...?
It depends specifically what you're talking about.
I mean, we, TFM, did get like the biggest Terra community funding grant.
So that's something we're trying to use wisely to develop for Terra first and then sort of
help this sort of interchain narrative, which has really taken off.
And I suppose Terra is focusing on the interchain with stuff they're doing, like with Alliance.
And then soon to be Feather and their station wallet as well, which is completely interchained.
So, I mean, we see what we're doing as just a part of the bigger interchain story.
Right.
I know Bruce has been planning this for ages.
He's probably got a list of questions, right?
The size of his arm.
I'll be kicking around when the crack starts again.
But, Brucey, do you want to jump in first?
Oh, we've got to say a lot of tank.
Say a lot of tank.
We've got a guest.
Okay.
Hi, Chang.
Hey, yo, you guys.
You guys remember that?
Hey, you guys.
Yeah, from Goonies.
Hey, you guys.
Hey, you guys.
Just for the record, my arms, I worked as a professional removal man, right?
And I was called the Italian mover because I have spaghetti hanging out of my fucking shirt.
You're so random.
You're so fucking random, dude.
What are you talking about?
Oh, this fucking guy.
This guy.
This guy.
These are his premeditated jokes.
He premeditates his jokes.
But you also have to remember there's a writer's strike going on, so they're going to be pretty hit and miss.
Most of them are going to be missed.
So just, you know, cut him a little slack.
Hey, I'm just going to quote Wayne Gretzky, man.
That AI content that you've been working on is really not doing you well, man.
Hey, hey, hey, I am the AI content.
You have to live with.
Relax, Tank.
The pain and the suffering is all on your side, not mine.
I'm just a language model.
I don't have any emotions.
I want to find out if Tank's been using TFM's products because I guess he has.
And what does he think of the UI and stuff?
I absolutely love the TFM.
I've actually, I meant to do a video last week.
I've been really wanting to make a video because I think a lot of people are going to start adopting it,
especially, you know, NFT projects and whatnot.
But, yeah, love it.
Absolutely love it.
Yeah, they're hitting the mark with those UIs, aren't they?
Anyway, Bruce, is it just bad jokes tonight?
I have questions.
I have questions.
So I can, I had a, for the space yesterday with Reach, right, I had like 10 questions and I only asked one.
So I think I'm just going to start with the nine from the last space.
And if Rebel, he just do what he can, like, then we can go to the TFM questions after that.
It's a quick, quick fire.
It's a quick fire.
It's a quick fire.
Two hours at least.
So, yeah.
No, no, no.
Just in all seriousness.
Serious, serous, less, less, less.
But in all seriousness.
I can't say that word.
That was really hard for me.
But in all seriousness, thank you, Rebel DeFi, like, going to start soft here.
Working with TFM, how has that changed your life?
All right.
I'll maybe get real a little bit.
But it has been really, really great on a sort of personal level working for or with TFM as part of TFM.
It's been about a year, well, just a little over a year ago, I left my job because things were looking pretty good financially.
And then a month later, they were looking a lot less good.
So I had a few months of, like, quite serious stress about what I was going to do.
And then started having conversations with TFM.
And it just sort of worked out from there.
Hopefully I've been helping them.
But they definitely helped me as well.
So, yeah, great, yeah, great sort of personal story of sort of salvation with TFM.
So it's been very good.
Yeah, I remember that.
I remember that there was, like, a handful of us that quit our jobs at probably not the best time to quit.
And I remember TFM came to me and they said, we have enough funds to hire one person and we want to hire you.
And I said, no, I want you to hire Rebel.
He'll do way better work than I will.
And then they did.
See?
And it all came from Finn.
Finn works behind the scenes, helping everyone out.
And so it's been great to see.
I'm the glue.
The glue that holds this together.
No, no, no, Finn.
You are the curtain that separates the behind the scenes and in front of the front scene of the stage.
That is what you are.
Now, I had actually heard that rumor before.
But as far as I was aware, that was a rumor that hadn't been confirmed until now.
So, thank you very much, sir.
I appreciate you.
Wow.
What a moment.
What a moment.
Live on Twitter Spaces.
Hey, I feel blessed to be part of that there.
Great little smile on me face, I have.
Maybe I'll be the one that's crying after this one.
Who knows?
Look at Bruce.
He's like the Swiss Army knife, isn't he?
He's opening you up like a kipper here.
Come on, Brucey.
Keep it going.
Yeah, now I'm just going to pivot very hard into all the technical and the law stuff.
Going to close him down like a little clam.
Let's go.
See what you got.
No, to be honest, right?
I thought this was Robo's big space.
So, Friday is normally his time to shine.
So, my preparation for this is all sourced and touchy-feely.
Well, listen, maybe I can ask you guys a question then.
And this could go out to anyone.
No, definitely not.
Oh, shit.
I'll speak when I'm spoken to.
Shut it down.
Shut it down.
That's it.
You had a lie, Bruce.
You had a lie.
Yes, what is your question, sir?
Well, I mean, it could go out to be banned.
But, like, where do you sort of do your DeFi?
Where do you sort of buy your NFTs?
Both of those questions.
So, I only buy Rack NFTs.
And right now, I can only do that on Stash.
So, I do that and I buy shitcoins on ETH, right?
And I don't know where I buy them.
I just use DexScreener and use a little window in the bottom and it tells me where I do it.
And then I buy RackCoin on WIND.
But that is not a very nice experience.
So, yeah, all over.
Very, very good stuff.
All right.
Well, let's think about your Rack token on WIND, on Juno.
Oh, let's not, please.
But, yeah, I mean, where do you get the tokens to buy the Rack with?
Oh, I normally use my dad's credit card when he's not home.
That works out all right.
And can you just bring money straight into Juno?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
There's something called Kato.
I can do that with, but I've never tried it.
Bro, I use, like, I give some of my money every time I'm on board.
I give some of my money to CZ.
Isn't that his name?
That one's gone right over my head.
I'm dying here.
I'm dying.
Not as dying as this interview.
Thank you, Bruce.
I think at this point in the bear market, I don't believe there's very much onboarding going on.
I think at this point we're just kind of shuffling around the existing crypto liquidity.
But, yeah, Kato was a pretty big popping thing before the crash over on Terra.
I remember, I believe that was the service I used to purchase a set of headphones on Amazon with.
Weren't they the ones doing the Amazon to UST thing that you could buy stuff?
Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes.
Was that Kato?
It was the Kato P.
That was it.
Man, that was so cool.
Because everyone got paid in UST back then.
And you just had it sitting in Anchor just accumulating more UST.
And then Kato was like, hey, you want to buy shit on Amazon with your UST?
Fuck yes, I do.
It's good to see they're still around.
Because we definitely have seen a lot of projects that didn't make it for one reason or another.
So definitely glad those guys are still kicking.
Well, still building.
Can I just backtrack a bit, Rebel?
Is that okay?
I was just, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Go for it.
No, if there's anything you want, just go ahead, man.
I was just going to say, like, so if, I mean, and you gave the example.
This is not my example.
This is your example.
But, like, on Juno, because there are so many different liquidity pools, I might call it fractured liquidity.
So what have you got?
You've got Wind.
You've got JunoSwap.
You've got Loop.
Hoppers.
And White Whale.
So all these different liquidity pools.
I'm not sure how many of these different AMMs have rack liquidity pools.
But particularly on Juno, this is where, like, a sort of DEX aggregator, like TFM, can really shine.
When there's, like, so many different liquidity pools, you can come to TFM to find out which pool is going to give you the best swap rate.
So that's step one.
Step two is that sometimes TFM can actually give you a better rate than any one individual liquidity pool.
So basically, you're sort of saving, like, 0.5% here on a trade, maybe even 1% there.
It's just all these little marginal gains.
If you're doing trading, particularly on Juno, it might be worth just having a look at TFM, comparing it to the normal DEX that you use just to see if there are savings there.
And I think, speaking relatively confidently, that you are going to find savings.
Yeah, and you guys are the only ones doing that that I've seen so far, being able to split up transactions across multiple different LPs and whatnot to calculate the best rate for the time and everything, which is really handy.
Especially, yeah, like, there's so much fractured liquidity.
Like, every week, it seems like someone in Rack is like, man, I just got ripped on some fucking slippage because I tried to buy, like, a grand worth or whatever and then didn't pay attention to the pool or whatever.
Yeah, using TFM, you won't bite that bullet as hard, for sure.
Obviously, it does depend on the LPs that are available.
Finn, I paid attention to the pool.
It was the UI that fucked me over.
But I had sheer responsibility.
It was the code.
That does happen.
That does happen.
Especially when you play around with all this stuff.
You know, it's early, baby.
It's still early.
We still early.
It looks like there's not that much Rack liquidity.
Like, when you type in a grand USDC to Rack on TFM, it does give you a big red warning.
The price impact is going to be over 10%.
And that's a relatively new feature.
We sort of implemented a few months ago just to really make it clear.
Because if it's not, like, in your face that you're going to get a little bit wrecked on the price impact, it's quite easy just to sort of click through a trade.
But there's only ever been one pool?
There's only ever been one main pool, hasn't there, though, for Rack, basically, what was moved over from JunoSwap.
Because, like, the osmosis one's been shallow.
It's always been, like, really, really shallow, right?
We've seen, like, what's happened when people went and bought an osmosis, right?
Or is it not because, like, there's not, like, loads of pools all over or something?
Is it looking at that one and looking at that one and it's like, oh, this is really bad because one of them is, like, really bad?
There's a percentage that you can go under as long as you're doing small amounts.
You just have to do it several times.
But, yeah, if you pull it all at once, like, which now that I say it out loud doesn't really make sense because the same liquidity is there regardless.
But I feel like when you do smaller buys, you're not getting ripped as hard.
Yeah, and if people are trading the other way to you, that's going to kind of balance things out again.
And then you can do another $100.
And then if someone sells, you can then do another buy.
Whereas if you do a buy for $1,000 all at once, that's going to move the pools.
So how many is aggregated, like, altogether?
How many collectors have you got aggregated?
Well, essentially, on Juno, it's all the pools.
Or all the Dex's, all the AMM's, like, five.
All right, look at this.
Right.
So it's in there.
I mean, you can read about in the TFM documentation about sort of volume splitting, which is maybe sending, you send 50% of the trade to wind.
And then you send 50% of the trade or 25% of the trade to hoppers, another 25% through JunoSwap, say.
So, I mean, that's something if you're trading on individual Dex's, unless you're going to be doing lots of individual trades, you can't really recreate that.
But, I mean, that's something that a Dex aggregator can give you.
I've got a quick question.
With that, does it reach across multiple IBC chains as well?
Or does it just stay on the one chain?
Because right now, like, Rack has a little LP on Bow, which is on Kuji.
Would it look across that as well?
Because it is the same token?
Or does it go based on the chain that you're trying to work on?
The latter at the moment.
But, I mean, the dream really is being able to aggregate not just Dex's on a single chain.
But, I mean, can you imagine, like, going to TFM and you put in a trade that you want and it literally looks across the entire cosmos for all the liquidity?
Well, that's why I interrupted earlier, dude, when I asked you the question.
And then I went, oh, like that.
And I showed up.
It was because I was going to say I thought, like, you were aggregating, like, other chains as well.
So, I thought you were, like, tapping into, say, osmosis as well, you know, amongst others, like Finn saying, put your euro as well, you know.
Coming soon now.
We put it in the ear.
Now it'll become reality.
I like that.
So, watch this space.
I mean, people have suggested this already and it's, like, it is quite a nice concept.
So, it's something that's being looked into, you know what we say.
And the infra is still pretty early with that stuff.
Like, we're just now, I mean, we had Game of Alliance where you were able to shuffle around different Alliance assets on Testnet.
And then now, you know, we have Whale that you can do that with.
Aeris you can do that with.
So, I feel like once more chains get on that vibe, like, you guys will have an easier time on the back end, like, looping all of that shit together.
But you need the relayers.
You need this infra setup.
And we didn't really have that, like, six months ago, you know.
It's all down to the oracles and stuff, isn't it?
I will presume, yeah.
I'm not saying it's necessarily the oracles so much, but, I mean, certainly for cross-chain transfers is, yeah, the relayers, obviously TFM infrastructure as well.
But just, yeah, it's the connections between chains.
I mean, Osmosis has a ton of relayers connecting it to lots of other chains.
But some of, like, the smaller chains have less IBC connections.
But, I mean, that's what this, like, recent release of Smart IBC Bridge is about.
Because previously, it was, we were able to, like, well, thinking about your RAC tokens.
Or, say, thinking about Juno, say, if you were transferring some Juno, ROM Juno, you could send it to anywhere that Juno was connected to.
And that was it.
But that was still quite a lot of chains where you could send your Juno.
But if you had Juno on Osmosis, you couldn't then send that Juno to UMI, for example.
Not directly, anyway.
Even though, theoretically, you can do that, what you'd end up with is a token on UMI, a Juno token on UMI, that wouldn't be usable.
Because it would be, like, a wrapped version of Juno.
Correct.
It's exactly like ICS721, isn't it?
The NFT.
So, like, basically, if you mint one on Juno and you send it to Stargaze or whatever, and you wanted to, like, say, send it to, I don't know, Omniflix or wherever, you've got to send it back through, like, where it came from before it can go on the next journey, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, and that's the same way that, like, these IBC Alliance transfers work.
Like, Terra was the main hub in Game of Alliance.
So, whenever you tried to IBC anything across to, like, Altraides or any of the other chains, you always had to send it through Terra first, then from Terra to the other chains.
And what TFM has done is it does that kind of for you in the back end.
You just tell it where you want it to go, and it'll pick the path for it, which is really cool.
So, are we seeing decent daily volume, are we?
What's your daily volume like, bro?
Doing it users or something?
I'll be honest with you.
I don't have those numbers right in front of me just now, but we can definitely get them and get them published.
So, yeah, I mean, the more you guys use in TFM, the better our numbers are going to get.
Do we know what the daily volume in the Cosmos is because it's not that high, right?
It's 10.
It's 10.
So, I got a question.
I'll do Bruce's job for you real quick since Bruce is not pulling his weight tonight, and he'll get a talk to you about that later.
I got you.
No worries.
So, Rebel, as an OG degen, I mean, you started out in the OC game, still do stuff with OC, now with TFM.
And for you personally, like, what is the feature, the set of features that got you most excited that you were like, yes, this is where I want to be.
These are the team I want to be building with.
That is a good question.
Thank you for, and that wasn't a planted question, but I appreciate it.
That was actually my question that Finn asked for me to you, as he said.
By proxy.
I mean, when I joined TFM, we were doing the dex aggregation side of things, and I thought, I'll be honest with you, I mean, when I first joined TFM, I didn't know what a dex aggregator was.
So, if there's anyone in the audience who is not sure of, like, what an aggregator is, how it works, don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.
I think we have all sort of gone through that stage, if indeed we have gone through that stage.
I mean, just getting my head around the concept of, like, what is an aggregator?
So, I appreciate that, like, TFM had some patience with me, sort of, as I sort of worked out, well, as they taught me, like, what an aggregator is all about.
But essentially just bringing together different liquidities.
So, yeah, it was the dex aggregation side of things is what we had when I first joined.
The challenge I had personally was that I didn't have a ton of liquidity to be trading with.
So, I was like, yeah, it's kind of cool, but I literally can't use this all that much myself.
Then the NFT aggregator.
I mean, to be honest, I was more into DeFi, I think, before, but having got into NFTs, I think the NFT aggregator is dope.
Like, really, really amazing in the sense that if you're on, I mean, at the moment, you can look at NFTs on TFM, across Juno, Omniflex, Stargaze, Intera, like, all of them.
It doesn't matter what market, but I mean, obviously, Stargaze is essentially the one marketplace.
Omniflex, again, essentially the one marketplace.
But Juno, you've got a few different marketplaces.
Terra, you've got three different marketplaces, but you can see them all on the TFM terminal, which I think is really cool.
So, again, rather than having to check, like, sorry, come on in, I'm rambling.
No, as you say, that's super helpful, because before, what did we have to do?
You would go log in to check Random Earth, then you would check Nowhere, you would maybe check Talos.
You would check Luart, you would check Messier, and these were all on Terra.
And, like, if you were on to find the best deal, like, you were sitting there with, like, Notepad open, writing down, like, the prices on which, you know, shop that it was on.
And now with TFM, yeah, you just go and type in, like, hit the NFT section, and they're all right there, you know, sort it by volume, sort it by how many items or whatever, you know, like, it's all right there.
It looks really nice, too.
I'm scrolling through it right now.
Pick up another toad, I think.
Chubby's having none of it.
Chubby hates it, because there's no passion for TFM.
Ooh, Chubby's here.
That's it.
Oh, let's talk about Chubs real quick.
Let me direct your attention to rec clip number 400.
Hold on.
Where are we at here?
Rec clip number 400 and, oh, wait, 412.
Now, this is an interesting clip here.
There's a Pepe space going on.
You know how Chubs likes to come and pin stuff in everyone's nest about Pepe.
Well, we gave Pepe a little of that medicine, and you know what?
They didn't none like it very much.
So maybe, maybe Chubs will remember that and go tell his boss that, you know, hey, maybe you guys shouldn't be such soft little baby pussies, and maybe you should let people pin stuff.
Because guess what, boss?
I go around and do that to them.
And you know what?
They're not pussies.
They don't just, like, boot me out.
They listen to what I say.
So, just, you know, just a little note.
Maybe take it back to your boss, Frog.
See what he says.
You know, I got frogs, too.
Yeah, Chubs.
You have to go along with that.
Where's the clip, Finn?
Where's the clip?
Well, you'll have to mint it on Rekclips when it comes out, won't you?
Gonna be a pre-sale.
Rebel, tell me about the deal score.
The deal score.
You've got to love a bit of deal score.
Now, yeah.
Deal score was something that we used to have.
I think there was, like, a flip side website I used to, like, checking out back on Terra1.
And it had some sort of deal score metric.
Can't remember if I can find that website.
Might be my favorite somewhere.
Anyway, I'll be able to share that website.
And it just seemed to make sense.
The idea that, like, what?
I want to buy, like, the best NFT.
Not, like, just the best, the rarest NFT in a collection.
But, like, I've got 20,000 stars.
I want to get the best bad kids I can for that money.
So deal score essentially lets you do that.
It helps you find the rarest NFT that money can buy and list them in that order.
So it may well literally be that the number one NFT per star is the best value for money.
And that might cost you a fortune.
But it could also be that some of the less rare NFTs, because they're so cheap, are actually the best sort of value for money you can buy.
So I think it's a nice way to sort of get good value for money.
Very cool.
That's just something new I noticed.
I was kind of curious about it.
Some of them have it.
Some of them don't.
And I'm guessing the ones that don't are freshly listed and haven't had that calculation done yet.
Oh, right.
And if an NFT is not for sale, it doesn't have a deal score because it needs both the score, which is related to rarity, and a price.
Because it is rarity or score, which the rarity has worked.
Score is basically like an on-chain score.
Score.
That each NFT has based on the rarity of each of its traits.
And then.
Okay.
So if you have a collection where rarity really doesn't matter as much.
I mean, I guess you could say there is some sort of rarity in the majority of collections in one way or another.
But like if you have, I mean, maybe Skeleton Punks isn't the best idea because they might put up another prop to give certain weight to certain rarity.
But as it stands right now, regardless of the rarity, you're still getting the same B Luna rewards.
So it wouldn't maybe necessarily matter that much unless you were hunting like a specific trait, I guess.
And maybe that'll change once the weights are different, depending on how the community decides to vote via governance in enterprise there.
Possibly, possibly.
But I mean, okay, so another collection you know, and quite a few people in here know fairly well, Pixel Wizards.
So let's, I'm just having a look at them just now.
The default prices, and this is something we'd love a bit of feedback on.
The default prices when you go into a collection are dollar value.
This is on TFN, but you can turn that off and you can see the stars value.
If people would prefer it to sort of show the stars by default with the option to turn on USD, we could flip that switch.
Well, and you have it showing both when you click into a NFT, like the Jarek Tinkerfield here with the owl.
So it says the stars and then the dollar value.
But if you're just looking on that main page with the panels, you just have the dollar value, which I think is good.
I think people get too caught up in like, oh, it's thousands of stars.
But it's like, yeah, it's thousands, but it's still like a few bucks.
So I think having the dollar value there is a good like reminder that like, all right, here's how much real money this actually is.
Yeah.
Real money, what are you talking about?
The money that you can pay your rent with, you know, that you can buy eggs and milk with.
The real money, the money you can buy weed with.
You know what I'm talking about, that real money.
That weed money.
Pepe, the real money.
You know what I'm saying.
Come on.
Well, that is funny.
That is funny.
When you put the deal score on the Pixel Wizards and you start descending, the top is actually the rank number one.
Pixel Wizard does come out as the one with the highest deal score.
And like Pepe, Calvin Game Boy is quite green.
Then it goes up to all this Pixel Boar.
Pixel Boar.
My goodness.
I've got my B's and D's the wrong way around.
But then there is, I think, rank 367 Pixel Wizard for 7,274 stars.
So it's that $100, you can get like a top 400 Pixel Wizard.
So, I mean, that's what deal score is good for.
You can quickly see where the best deals are and then decide, do I want to invest in this or not?
So, I want to backtrack a bit, Rebel.
Just a bit.
It sounds, everything sounds really good.
Back it up.
Yeah, back, back, back it up.
So, those three months, right?
After you quit your job and Do Kwon, he quit his job and, yeah.
You know, those three months where you were balancing the edge of homelessness, how did you cope?
Like, what, how did you go through your day?
Like, where did you find your power, your will?
Your will to live.
I was actually back living with my mother at that stage in the town where I grew up.
So, I was balanced.
I was actually so busy then because I was wanting to go full time at TFM.
But I did actually have a job as well.
And the job was, it was kind of nice.
But after I'd done it for a month or two, I was like, right, this is, I want to focus on TFM here.
But, yeah, I was just working in a shop.
And it was very nice to not have to really think about work so much.
So, I was in doing my job, just thinking about stuff I wanted to do for TFM.
And then, as soon as I finished my job, I was, like, back home on the computer.
You know what it's like, late night computer stuff.
And then, up in the morning, doing my job.
So, yeah.
What was, what, what, what does Rebel do for work?
What, what kind of job?
Is that something you can tell us?
I'm just, for my own curiosity, I'm trying to picture you, like, in a Toys R Us or, like, a KB.
Or, like, what, what kind of shop, what are we talking here?
Record store or what, what did you do?
I mean, my, my, my, like, sort of real job before I quit was, I'm a school teacher.
And I think, I think Cosmo.
You're a teacher?
Yeah, man.
Yeah, okay, okay.
Yeah, so, I, and that's how I got into the, sort of, the YouTube game.
I saw, I saw Danku doing it and thought, that's really good.
I can just, sort of, speak to a different section of the market.
I was thinking I was trying to get newer people up to speed on various things.
And that, like, I was a, sort of, an elementary school teacher or in England, we call it a primary school teacher.
So, I was dealing with, like, sort of, the young ones.
So, hopefully, my educational content was useful.
And I think that's, kind of, what caught the eye of TFM.
And it just, kind of, all worked out.
But, and that's, kind of, still what I'm trying to do for TFM.
It's just, sort of, educate people about, because it is quite a complex trading terminal.
So, it's just making it understandable and, like, to help people realize what they can do with it.
And then, hopefully, more people are going to come in and use it and think, wow, this is interesting DeFi.
Let's keep using it.
That's really cool.
And a lot of those skills definitely transfer over.
I mean, Joe tries to do it.
You know, he struggles here and there.
But he does what he can, you know.
But I think being able to break complex things down in a way that, like, five to ten-year-olds can understand it.
Or not maybe understand it, but, like, get it enough to, like, be able to at least, like, stumble their way through it.
And that's what all these YouTube videos are, basically.
I mean, we saw a lot of, like, basic educational onboarding material being created.
I mean, shit, Simon from Luke got paid, like, a fat mill to make some fucking educational videos, you know, like, before the crash.
I mean, there's – that was good business because people needed to be educated.
And apparently, not everyone is good at breaking, you know, things down to people.
So, that's cool to see, like, actual teachers in the space with us.
In the game.
Yeah, I mean, Luke Learn was – they were, like, one of the good things that Luke did.
I didn't realise a seven-figure sum was involved in that.
That's interesting.
Well, your man Simon took, what was it, 230K and went and built the Clips pad and releasing it on the DC network?
Fucking unbelievable, man.
Unbelievable.
They say 70% of the dev power in the Cosmos has transferred over to say, that's just what I heard.
Could be a PSYOP.
I don't know.
I couldn't stop laughing at that Tom Norwood's thread the other week.
Honest to God, I just – I couldn't stop laughing.
Every single, like, one I read, each one of the tweets in the thread, like, I just, like, my God, my God, my God.
Laughing my head off.
What a gig of player, man.
Never mind.
Never mind.
We've done something.
So, Rebel, if we look in your wallet, what sort of NFTs are we going to see?
What sort of transactions are we going to see?
Is there a lot of looping?
A lot of shitcoining?
What are we going to find when we take a look into Rebel's wallet?
And Rebel's wallet is really public because that was – it used to be my sort of demo wallet address that I was using back on Terra1 and then sort of ended up becoming – that's all that's left.
I've got some – I've got some majority, I suppose, are older Terra NFTs.
If you look into the TFM wallet, that might be a bit more interesting because there are some different NFT projects throughout Cosmos.
I can see Atlas DAO in here.
Forgive me if I'm not shouting out anyone else from NFT projects.
But a lot of projects are donating like one or two NFTs.
Some are actually donating more than that into a TFM wallet, which we're going to use for giveaways at various stages to sort of help promote the TFM trading terminal, to help promote the different marketplaces, the different L1s, and also the NFT projects themselves.
I mean, that's what we're kind of thinking is that, like, NFTs really are sort of holding together the Cosmos communities at the moment.
So if there's different ways that we can help support the different app chains that have NFTs, as well as the different projects we keep on building, then that's going to be sort of good for everyone, or so we hope anyway.
So, yeah, I mean, we've already done a few giveaways of some Cosmos apes, but like I was saying, Atlas DAO have given us a couple as well, so we'll be giving some of those away at some stage.
Maybe, I don't know, it'd be interesting to hear what people value as sort of the best way to do sort of NFT-type giveaways.
Would a trading competition be something people would be interested in, or is it just sort of like straight up?
Anything other than tag, anything other than tag three friends?
Because that could change.
Yes, I'll be honest with you, that rile, well, it doesn't rile me, I just don't even do tag three friends, so to set that up on the TFN Twitter account would be difficult for me.
I do, and every time, I just tag Chubby three times, every time.
One day, Chubs, we're going to win one of these giveaways, you watch.
And we also sometimes run missions in the TFN Discord, they were quite popular.
We did a Crew 3, and I think Crew 3 might have changed their name, but I didn't feel Crew 3 was a great sort of camp.
It is a great campaign tool, sorry, I don't want to say it's not.
No, I'll say it's not. It's really not.
Crew 3 is awful.
Crew 3 is there to collect all of your data, connect it to all of your wallets, and send it to the government.
So enjoy that, I hope, whatever NFT you won was worth it.
I ain't touching that shit, though.
I just look up who the CEO of Crew 3 is, and tell me that guy is not working for the feds.
Just do that for me. Tell me what you think.
Oh, interesting.
Well, I wasn't even thinking of that, Saeed, but that's very interesting that you've raised that as a potential issue.
But we were finding that the engagements that we were getting just didn't even seem like legit people.
I mean, some of them were legit.
Is he still in space?
I don't think Chubby participated, but we would have welcomed Chubbs in for sure.
But yeah, Dizzle. Dizzle came and joined some of the Crew 3 campaigns, so obviously knew he was a real person.
But I think for every sort of real person or real Twitter account that engages with the Crew 3 campaign, there's maybe three or four dubious ones with like 10 followers that do nothing but retweet.
So I just don't know if that's necessarily the best way to bring legit people into Cosmos.
I'm sorry, I just need to comment on what Finn said.
So he actually worked in the Army?
Oh, sorry, the Navy?
Intelligence Division.
Yeah, I just posted a picture in the private GC there.
You can tweet it if you want, but that's David Bigam.
Yep, yep, yep.
He looks like he wants your email address so that he can sell it on a spam list with everyone else's email address.
I just, I don't feel comfortable giving that man anything.
No, no, he was, yeah, he was also in the Navy for 11 years.
Look at the state of him, man.
Oh my God.
Looks like a right snake oil salesman.
It's got to be the sunglasses.
On LinkedIn.
Yeah, just like...
Dance, can you post that in the nest somehow?
I didn't know where to put it, so I just put it in the GC.
But, I mean, you guys can find it if you just Google Dave Bingham, B-I-G-H-A-M, you'll see.
Crew 3.
You've got to put it in the comments if there's no tweet about it.
You can't share it.
You can only share tweets in the nest.
I can see a few tweets up in the nest already.
When are you going to let Robbo have some questions?
I'm keeping quiet because I've got the big numbers, the big ones.
Did you get your questions sorted out?
It's all you, baby.
Take it away.
No, but I'm going to be really honest about something.
You know, I made a bet on an ecosystem.
We made a bet.
A lot of us made a bet on an ecosystem, right?
And there's a lot of times, like, I've turned around and I'm looking at the development, like, over on Lunar.
And then I'm going, fuck.
Like, I kind of understand how Lunar went through, like, what it did.
And all, like, the devs stayed there and they didn't just stay there.
They started, like, producing, like, awesome fucking shit.
Like, and even, like, the ones that have moved, like, most of the revigoration that came into, like, Stargave and all that was all.
Like, their project's moving over.
Like, the Skellies and all them, right?
After, like, the crash here.
Mate, how has this been possible?
Why has Lunar got the magic sauce where we've seen so many others, like, you know, Juno, for example, et cetera, feel in regards to, like, the dev output, the quality?
I mean, you see a feather's coming out.
We've seen Enterprise.
We set one up.
It's lovely.
There's all sorts of stuff going on.
The Astroport, et cetera, et cetera.
I could go on and on and on.
How is this possible?
How did they retain their devs and then they just bang it out of the park?
Is that for Rebel or is that for Finn?
No, that was for you, that, buddy.
Like, in your opinion, having gone through the crash and seen these devs rise like the phoenix, like, to me, I'm like, I mean, didn't you get me wrong?
There has been some all right stuff over on Juno, but if you take away, like, what, four or five projects, like, there's nothing there, right?
Like, you look over Lunar and you go, like, whoa, look at this.
I mean, look at the success, like, say, like, the lion devs had.
Like, every project seems to just be going like a rocket at the minute over there.
That is a fair point.
I mean, I think before the crash, I mean, that crash was a seminal moment in Cosmos.
Things were pretty tribal with different ecosystems, maybe thinking they had better things going on with other ecosystems.
And there was, yeah, without wanting to sort of throw blame around, there was, I'm sorry, I made myself speechless here.
I think the UST, right?
Like, there was no decentralized stable.
So I think having that pre-crash was a huge in for the rest of Cosmos because now they could utilize this stable that wasn't controlled by fucking Circle or whatever.
Like, it was a true decentralized stable.
And then after it crashed, it took all of those projects with it, you know?
And not obviously completely with it, but it put a big dent in everybody's fucking war chest, you know?
And the fact that a lot of those projects just had a bad taste in their mouth with Terra, I think, created this air of, like, all right, we have to stick together as this community and this ecosystem and keep building something because we're going to get shit on no matter where else we go because everyone's hating on UST because they were all way over leveraged.
And then to see a return to the cosmos via this alliance, via what Feather's going to be, I think, will hopefully bring everyone back in together across this IBC game and start to kick it out.
But the devs, I mean, you saw it.
Like, Juno was trying to poach devs at Sway.
I mean, like, every ecosystem was, like, trying to lure them in.
And there was a secret space where Secret had a dev fund for Terra devs, you know?
Like, every ecosystem wanted Terra devs after that crash.
And some of them went and chased money, you know?
And good for them.
I hope they got it.
And some of them stayed.
Some of them did both, you know?
And it just depends on the situation and the people.
But I think what we ended up with is a pretty tight-knit group of really, really big-brained people and then a bunch of us smooth-brains running around yelling about it.
And that, I don't know if that's enough, but we had this discussion the other day.
And it's the same discussion all these other ecos are having.
It's like, we need a face for this project.
Like, this ecosystem needs a vision.
It needs someone to steer it.
And for us, that was Doe.
Like, Doe was the vision.
He was the captain.
He was steering this ship in the path that we all wanted to go.
And now, like, we don't really have that.
So, like, we're in that position that Juno is in and Starz is in.
And everyone else is like, who's steering this decentralized shit show?
Who is the spokesperson for this decentralized shit show?
Who speaks for these apes, you know?
Who is the leader that's going to unite all this shit and, like, push it forward into the next century?
And I think that's where we're at right now is trying to figure that out.
I was hoping Ryan would do it, but he's too busy with the pride and stuff.
Maybe Soy was going to do it, but now he's sucked into that whole Neutron thing.
So, I don't know.
I don't know where we're going to go.
But I know a lot of us are still here.
And there's a lot of good devs still building some dope shit.
Absolutely.
Is it not kind of what Rob was saying as well, that things are now kind of ground up rather than top down?
Yeah, and maybe that's the best thing for it, right?
In 10 years, we're going to look back and be like, man,
it's a good thing that fucking crash happened.
Otherwise, none of this other shit would have happened.
And obviously, you don't know what would have happened had the crash not happened.
I mean, Luna obviously would have went to 1,000, and we'd all be living in mansions right now.
But neither here nor there, we are where we are, and we know what we need to do to keep moving forward.
And that's what we do.
That's why you see the same group of people showing up every day, you know, seven days a week.
Like, we do it.
That's just what it is.
I don't need a job, though.
Isn't he forever the wordsmith?
Isn't he?
Or Finn?
Forever the wordsmith?
Absolutely.
Someone, please give Bruce a job so that he can stay in this space all day with us.
He needs $5, please.
No, no, no.
$10.
$10.
I'm not that cheap.
Take me $5.
Like Don Cryptonium.
Go on.
Have you seen my elf at Dogface?
Like, that's $10 worth at least, man.
I'm not cheap like Don.
Did you put that in the nest?
Oh, I can do that.
But only when people ask me.
Babe, Barnes, have you seen what's coming?
Have you seen it or not?
Is it in our private GC chat?
No, it's coming to the nest.
Bruce has just docked himself.
And at the same time, he's also doing the Don impression.
Yo, I commented that his lips literally look like a little heart.
Like, it has an exact heart shape.
How cute.
Oh, B-Bans.
Look at his little mouth.
Oh, we've lost Finn.
That's too much for him.
Yeah, so TFM, you sound like you've been good friends for a while, you and Finn, yeah?
Get along like a house on fire.
Yeah, and there's something, I mean, it's not really fully Web 3 in the sense that it doesn't involve smart contracts,
but we've been working on these ecosystem pages, which are going to describe or have details about all the different app chains in Cosmos.
So, kind of a nice sort of cool little website feature.
And part of the ecosystem pages, I mean, is going to be Twitter spaces.
And because Finn has recorded a lot of Twitter spaces, not just for Terra, not just for Juno, and a few other ecosystems.
I mean, he's literally all over Cosmos.
There's going to be a sort of a Terra spaces section within each L1.
And for all the L1s that have had Twitter spaces recorded by Finn, they're going to be up here and there.
There's going to be a nice donate button as well.
So, should people want to, and this was sort of designed before Finn got his Terra funding,
but that doesn't sort of mean that we have no obligation to support when we can.
It might be nice to sort of gamify this somehow to find out which communities are most up for supporting Terra spaces.
Am I back?
Oh, I just got rugged so fucking hard.
Can you hear me?
You're back, you're back.
Okay.
You're loud and clear.
The last thing I heard, sorry to just burst in and interrupt, was the gamification thing.
And that's the one thing I really, and I mean, there's several things I like about what Spark IBC is doing,
but that was the one thing I really liked about it, was their leaderboard for the Spark points,
because that showed who was actually pitching in and who wasn't.
Obviously, that only works on Juno right now as far as being able to donate and get on the leaderboard,
but it was a cool way to see like, all right, who are these projects that I'm spending my time on?
Like, which ones are actually pitching in versus who's not?
And obviously, we get the random donation here and there for like a hundred bucks or a couple hundred bucks
that there's like just nothing in the memo.
So I'm like, all right, I have no idea who sent this, but thank you.
But having that leaderboard as a way of like, look, these are the top five or 10 contributing projects.
Like, let's go support them because they're supporting the ecosystem sort of thing, I think is really cool.
Yeah, that'd be nice to sort of, I mean, we'll do it without the Spark points,
but I think it could be quite nice for communities to see who's supporting Terra Spaces and at what level.
I mean, people might see, whoa, wait a minute, Terra Spaces has taken in a hundred grand over the last three months.
Maybe we don't need to send them any cash.
But on the other hand, it might be, oh, Terra Spaces has made $300 over the last four months.
Maybe it's time we kicked something in.
And so, yeah, I think it could benefit everyone, just everyone in the sense that blockchain transparency is quite nice.
Benefit communities getting their spaces recorded and Benefit Terra Spaces getting a little bit of funding.
Yeah, we can be like, OK, Finn, so like this month you took in this much.
OK, even though you worked really hard the next month, made the same, nah, let's not send him any more money.
We got to control what Finn's making so we can keep him in want.
Yeah, exactly.
I keep my bitches broken hungry so they need me.
It's like classic pimp game 101, baby.
Let's go.
Now, I heard, this is quite recently that I heard this, but it surprised me because I knew she is involved with the Space Scalies.
But I've heard that B-Bands is maybe still or has been in the past quite a big dragon, a Levana dragon holder or egg holder.
So have you had a look at the Levana dragon page on TFN?
I feel like you just injected me with acid and you're like, survive, survive, live.
And I'm like, I'm trying, but I can't.
No, so I sold all of my eggs.
I sold everything.
Long time.
I mean, for a loss, obviously a huge loss.
But yeah, I did all that.
I just I couldn't take it.
I think after the whole thing that happened, I'm like, I don't need this like stress in my life.
I I've lost trust already.
So I don't want to go there.
I hope they do well.
I hope people get to like make money and stuff like that.
But for me, I'm not interested.
And it's just like a mental mentally.
I don't want to I don't want to deal with it.
Does that make sense?
Okay, I'm sorry for bringing up old feelings.
And then I wasn't I yeah, I wasn't aware of that history.
Why do there's one woman, one female in this room and you just take out your little Scottish club and you just start battering her little golden heart?
No, I'm being I'm being funny.
The whole acid in my blood and tell me I'm just being funny.
But I mean, as far as everything else is truthful.
I just I'm not I'm not I'm not even going there.
There's other projects I can focus on.
When when he first said that, I thought he was going to ask you about the new gelato hire.
And when he said Levada, I was like, oh, shit, here we go.
This wasn't used to me.
This one, but I just I mean, because because we've been speaking and I know AMB is in this one as well.
And there are quite a lot of like old school Levada Dragon holders.
And I knew they had issues with the sort of marketplace that they had on Juno.
Just not being all that responsive to things that they were asking for.
So, I mean, I think TFM have been particularly responsive to Levada Dragons.
And we can essentially do this for any NFT collection is put in custom.
Sort filters.
And so one of the custom sort filters is you can order the dragons or dragon eggs by spirit level.
And as far as I'm aware, that wasn't possible on directly on the marketplace.
And so there is stuff you can do on TFM that makes the sort of researching and buying experience, particularly for if you're in the Levada Dragons, like a really nice experience.
And I'm just looking, actually, I was, I'd been interested in possibly buying another egg for five hundred dollars.
Like, oh, yeah, I used to spend that kind of, I used to spend that, I think, in total, I think I spent like 15 G's on eggs.
Anyways.
Bans, did you do the meteor shower or did you get in after all that?
Oh, no, I was there at the meteor shower and then I started flipping eggs and then I was like doing the game stuff and like, that's, I thought it was less.
And then my husband brought it to my attention.
That was actually, you know, the amount.
And, yeah, I'm just looking at old Levada stuff.
Now that you brought it up, I'm looking at their token vesting schedule that they had.
Or the token that never came.
So, just a whole bunch of stuff.
Okay.
I mean, there's maybe a token coming, isn't there?
I feel like that crash, like, for part of the projects, it was a huge sigh of relief because they were like, man, we didn't know what the fuck we were going to do.
And I'm glad that this happened.
So, now we don't really have to do anything.
And then, obviously, for the rest, it was like, oh, fuck.
Like, that really put a wrench in our plans.
But I definitely think there's, like, this large handful of projects that were just, like, whew, dodged a bullet there.
Robo, do you have any questions?
No, dude.
I've just been eating some fried chicken and sticky rice while I was listening to you.
Oh, are you eating on this pace?
Oh, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho.
Again with the sticky rice.
Man, never gonna.
Real quick, a history of the wheelchair mafia on Stargaze is now 39% minted.
Slow but steady, baby.
We're going to get there.
Feed those dogs.
I know.
I wanted to do, like, the raffle at, like, 40%.
Just for the culture, you know.
One more percent.
i am just looking at a history of wheelchair mafia on um does rebel is he familiar with the the dog
chariot racing gentleman because i feel like i've seen the vid i've seen the video and they all come
out and they're looking so excited and yeah man it brings a tear to your eye that one i mean i've
never met robert's friend but yeah yeah robert told me about about the wheelchair mafia
rebel he put he sent me a screenshot of the wheelchair mafia on tfm fairly shortly after
the launch happened right yeah man they're they're up there i i'm and i'm just looking at how many
um items you've got in the collection it's 555 is that correct it is yeah and the price of 555 so
basically i mean we've said this to a few people just to fill you in quickly here in thailand five
means like ha so over here the end there text messages and everything was like 555 which is
like ha ha ha right it's like a common real common thing over here so we were like b bands was like
hey where there's a wheel there's a way and uh i mentioned the 555 to these guys quite a while ago
when stars was like two 2.2 cents or something and they were like yeah yeah we'll go with that and
to be honest like we didn't change the price because it's like a little nuanced dude you know
that's why that the price that that and that's why there's that many in the collection there ha ha ha
the dogs why shouldn't the dogs be at the luff as well right absolutely i think that number is like
quite um uh uh an interesting number in various different cultures i was um when i was leaving
japan i went to i went to starbucks they do this really nice this really nice thing called like a
yuzu tea i went to get yuzu tea and the girl who was serving me she said oh she said i don't
a nice smooth head because i just shaved my head that morning um and then i said to her like
do you shave like and i thought i made an indication like a mustache and she went yeah yeah i have to
i'm totally like santa claus unless i shave we had a laugh about that and then the price for my tea came
up and it was 555 and and you're saying in thai that's ha ha ha in japanese that's go go go
so the way she told me how much my tea was going to be it was quite funny um and it just made me
think wow these dogs go go go so that's that's a great and fast forward to today rebel married that
woman and today they live a happy life but she doesn't have to shave anymore because he accepts her
he accepts her beard and it's fine i'm very happy for you absolutely a bearded lady they are rare
but you got to appreciate them when you find them
it was all quiet and shit do you think we need them like oh chubby baby finally gave up
where did he go he had he was waiting for a while he really went to go harass another space probably
chubbs doesn't have a whole lot of patience he's he's here to do a job right he he's here for like an
he was like for 45 minutes just didn't patiently made his dedication
so chubby you're going to come up and you're ignoring him man there's only one person i ignore
is this shit talking about to start is it just just asking for the audience it already started i thought
all right bruce kicked it off didn't he straight away any more corny jokes bruce
are you really do you really want some i'm looking at his set list here and i think we're at the the
end of his his jokes so that was all he brought today but good material bruce not bad we'll work
on that we'll tighten it up a bit nice thank you man i'm always down to get into the studio
sorry go ahead rebel i was just going to say before we jump into shit talk well i suppose there
has been a little bit of shit talking already bruce but um tfm we definitely appreciate feedback
and and like finn talked about this earlier on um about sort of stuff that we build also stuff that
might like if you see like oh that seems a bit strange or that's not working the way i'd expect
um i can see we've got r hatton with the um sort of larry styled um pfp there he
as if it's if it's the r hat i'm thinking about and i think it is um brought something to our
attention in the tfm telegram sort of community chat group um which was really great so i'll be
honest with you i can't remember exactly what the issue was hopefully it's fixed now um but rather
than sort of like if you're using tfm and something doesn't work and just thinking oh don't want to use
that again um tell us we'll get it sorted i mean it may not even be like sort of direct like sort of
tfm issue i mean it may be something to do with a relayer um but obviously if a relayer is not
working properly and you're using tfm that's going to have an open effect that tfm is not going to work
properly and you think tfm is not working um but yeah bring any issues that you sort of have if you
have any or positive constructive feedback whatever um if you if you want to drop it into
our telegram group or on some other channel that would be that'd be really great so i got a quick
question do you guys have any plans to spin up some of your own relayers based on all of this data that
you guys have just looking at like where the weak points are like is it is it feasible financially to
kind of fill in the gaps there in the meantime while we wait for i guess other validators to do
it because that that's generally a validator job is that right well not necessarily a validator's job
but some some validators um are particularly strong on their their relayer game okay so not all validators
do relaying and not all relayers are a validate is what you're saying i i wasn't aware of that personally
essentially yeah that's you you described it pretty well um there there are of different
things under discussion about how to improve that side of idc yeah and which may involve tfm doing stuff
directly um i mean like you were saying that it does actually cost i think you know how to vote
recently and to maybe pay relayers but like running a relayer is basically it's an expense
um and because the fees are so low it's not they removed they removed the relay fees i think
okay okay so then
that's interesting yeah so i mean if if if it's not going to cost validators to run the infrastructure
then hopefully we'll get better infrastructure
yeah that makes sense i just feel like i remembered i i don't know if it was pfc or somebody was talking
about like how expensive it is to run these relayers and that's why they had to up a percentage or two in
their validator uh take rate or whatever the the commission that they get and i i didn't realize like
i didn't i didn't realize how much
no no uh uh what's he called block pain like all on spaces like like when they've been talking about
like really and i even gains was on about it like because they were in like the top 10 i think
i think they were like seventh place they're like most uh relays or packets done you know
but they literally lose money at the end of the day like
a lot
yeah and that sucks because it sounds like it's a pretty necessary service for uh something to be
ibc connected i mean if you're not getting relayed you're kind of not ibc right you're stuck on
whatever chain you're on so yeah it maybe there there definitely should be a better way to incentivize
that or to reward validators that are doing the above and beyond and and getting those packets
where they need to go or whatever
uh i had a dm somebody asked a question they wanted me to ask they said is tfm's plan really
a cosmos-wide stealth strategy to establish themselves as the dex aggregators for everything
then one day suddenly bang pull the curtain back and reveal their shadow org of actual dexes
and nft marketplaces is that true
that that tfm are already running dexes all across cosmos is that is tfm kucoin is tfm binance
who are you that well i mean a lot of our team is
yet i don't know i don't know if they're unknown but they are sort of building in the shadows
um sorry to disappoint cz is not as far well i've not seen cz at any of the team meetings so
i have no direct connection oh now you know who he is now you know who he is
earlier in this space sorry people earlier in this space you
said you did not know who that guy was something's fishy going on here
nice pull that string unravel it bruce take him down what does tfm caught in a lie here damn yeah
not even two hours bro scottish people man isn't that right robo
who would i think you want to leave us uh
who would you want to be leaving us brits alone man i'm telling you
listen robo is more scottish than he is english
hey so when's um when's your next team meeting and is it like a live team meeting
your cc meeting are you gonna you're gonna hack the mainframe and come join us
no i said if it's live like you guys gonna have a team meeting in person or are you guys having a team
meeting like oh i see well i listen listen why don't there's gonna be a tfm presence at
cosmoverse as far as i'm aware that's not that many months away so certainly for the europeans
in the house and robo is wrong it's not a million miles per robo to get to turkey
um hopefully see soy over there turkey what fucking wouldn't get me in turkey i'll tell you
bollocks to that shit it's as soon as it's gonna be hot come on it's like home away from home
dude i'm telling you nowhere nowhere did it didn't agree with one question one interview
question like i know this wasn't my interview or anything but i did have like one question i wanted
to ask is that okay please okay so um what impact do you expect to have on the overall growth and
development of the cosmos ecosystem like what are you hoping for what are you what are you looking for
with with with with everything that you've created what impact do you want to make
that's a great question i i mean as as i mean i am becoming i remember jake hartnell had a thing
he's a dow maximalist um i think for me working for tfm i am becoming like an interchain maximalist
and and i i love the idea of sort of what tfm is trying to achieve with all this this aggregation
like bringing different chains into one terminal and also with the bridge as well just trying to
connect i mean i know it's not tfm that's running all the relayer infrastructure but connecting like
all the different ibc go enabled chains i think is is really exciting i mean there's a lot of chains and
i saw someone in earlier on and i know you guys had them on a space recently the checked guys
doing all their sort of id stuff um i i think that the more connected the chains are the easier it's
going to be for i don't know maybe maybe newer chains easier it'll be for newer chains the easier it'll be
for chains that maybe don't have a huge marketing department to sort of get more of the line like the
more connected things are when people say oh connected to osmosis oh what's this chain i'll
find out about it um i mean at the moment i think it's something like 85 fully connected chains and
then there's even more chains on top of that that don't have relayers because they're sort of still
under development and then there's even sort of all the other at chains that are still getting built
um so so just yeah just playing a part in getting the ibc more connected would be a dream come true
for me and definitely something that tfm are are playing a big part in
awesome thank you i was just curious when do you have my one question out there
that was that was quite a big question but did that did that sort of answer yes absolutely
yeah i just wanted to hear from you i don't have any like i feel like sometimes when you ask somebody
a question and they give you the answer it doesn't really always need a commentary it just you just need
to hear what hear what that other person is trying to communicate you know yeah so i i mean
again speaking personally rather than being just sort of in one ecosystem i think i i think
like early 2022 or so late 2021 early 2022 a lot of us were kind of predominantly in one ecosystem
wherever that was i i would say that's my contention anyway but nowadays in 2023
the majority of us are across tons of different ecosystems so being involved with this
sort of cross-chain narrative inter-chain narrative in inter-chain i mean we're all sort of inter-chain
maxis at the moment which which i think is great
back to you bruce thank you b-bans so i know you're not like the def
you're not doing the coding rebel but when we're talking bridges right the whole technology with
bridges and the whole concept and then when we're talking ipc bridges the security aspect is like
two completely different things right yes so how yeah so how how do you maintain a high level
security even though it's ipc right and how has that make your the def teams the team's efforts easier
the fact that it's ipc good question the best person to speak to this would probably be our cto
um to discuss the sort of yeah the technicalities of this but um
hopefully i'm not going to get things too muddled up but
like you said it's not like a bridge from ethereum to cosmos or i don't know ethereum to arbitrum or whatever
we don't take custody of anyone's funds
as far as i'm aware so therefore it's it's it's just i it's just it's just ibc transactions the
transactions either succeed or they don't if they don't succeed then the their funds are going to
still be in the user's wallet there was it was actually a strange one recently and which occasionally
happens if there's an issue with the relayer um the funds can leave your wallet and then they kind
of get stuck on a relayer um and then after about 24 hours the transaction just reverts and the funds
then go back to the originating wallet um but again as as we thought of anything when you're sending
money to a different wallet you might want to do like a smaller amount first just to check that
it's actually going to the right place and once you're happy and confident that you're sending
it to the right place you can send the rest of your bags
just a little tx101 with rebel defi thank you for that answer man
yeah because you guys aren't i mean like you said there's no custody happening you guys are
basically doing anything someone with cli knowledge would be able to do just by inputting a bunch of
commands and whatnot i would imagine obviously i'm not dead but from what it sounds like it's just
doing what ibc does you guys just have this handy interface that automates a lot of that stuff
i mean we put out a thread um day or within the last 24 hours maybe just talking about how to
and and other people have been talking about this recently as well but like just setting up manual
transfers across cross chain in with your kepler wallet um so yeah people can go that way and it's
quite nice being able to sort of work out how these travel i mean not necessarily fully technically how
the transfers are working but just just to see that okay if i type in i want to go to that chain i just
type in that channel number okay i can transfer these tokens and it kind of it it works
um it's a little bit scary the first few times you do it just sort of direct and kepler
um but then so yeah tfm abstracts even that sort of level of complexity away
and just allows people just to sort of choose what chains they want to transfer tokens between
select a token type in the number and then and then go for it
all right i got a few just real quick i want you just first off top of your head answer
ready go for it favorite ecosystem
is am i talking for tfm or talking for your favorite ecosystem cosmos
for you personally in the cosmos favorite ecosystem in the cosmos i am i've got a few i'm getting more
interested in stargaze for the nfts and terra for the the old school vibes um juno for the community
that's how i got involved with these rack clowns um there's tons of ecosystems i mentioned checked
before i love what they're building um okay so favorite favorite ecosystem you're dodging the
question favorite ecosystem terra okay favorite nft collection collective punks nice favorite food
obnobs favorite color blue favorite mobile device os
ios oh god you're killing me killing me all right no further questions i heard you are not into
black punks i don't know i don't know if you're just doing that because to to rebel against chubby
but man come on i i have toads and i have sps i had a galactic punk once for eight minutes i won it
from an auction it was an angel protocol one and then i flipped it immediately to the angel dude
for double what i paid for it it took eight minutes and i was like well there goes my punk and then i
just never bought another one one day one day i'll help when i can stage them and get b luna then i will
i'll buy one or twenty absolutely in fact it was it was romey i think it was romey that had the issue
about sending tokens i think you're trying to send stuff to injective or from injective is that right
romey's in the audience does that ring a bell i think i'm pretty sure it was romey that was having
the um the issue yesterday but he got his tokens back so it's all good nice what's your favorite
wallet that's an interesting one i i'm going to start looking into leap more again i'm getting some
good recommendations about that i he feels embarrassed to stay kepler but he wants to stay kepler no no he
wants to stay station no i mean i know i have so much i want i want to see station but i can't say
station at the moment um station will get better i absolutely convinced of that i used to i think the
more you use kepler the more you think it's not that bad um i did meet josh lee in hong kong web3
festival and he showed me some new kepler stuff and it looks very good i think it looks when when it
comes out you might think this this seems quite a lot like station um it's been a long time coming
and a redesigned kepler ui ux is gonna be pretty cool i think will it still cause your phone
to want to catch fire when you use it on mobile with something like dowdow that's interesting i
have noticed i'll be that that's the weird thing i don't i'm not really a mobile guy i think it's
maybe my age except i think you and i are probably about the same age and you're you've chosen the
mobile route and maybe you just want to hang with the kids only when i have to only only when i have
to trust me it's not my preference okay especially when my phone feels like it's a
fucking hand warmer but yeah i have noticed but like sometimes the phone gets super hot i and and
station is there is no mobile version at the moment is that there it's the old one and it hasn't been
updated to do the uh cross-chain stuff like the alliance stuff because they they looked at their
stats and mobile was a very small uh allotment so they they wanted to get where everyone was first
but yeah i i spread people are not using i i thought i thought mobile was more used than i
thought i thought i was in the minority using desktop and i know dizzle he is in the space just
now he's a big fan of leap i don't know if that's leap mobile as well um i'm pretty convinced that
i use leap a bit on my mobile and i'm pretty convinced it's the best mobile choice at the moment
oh wow okay thumbs up from dizzle as well so it's two votes i i definitely held off because i know they
they i never used them in terra it just was like station did everything i needed it to and i wasn't
about like want to put my seed on other things just me being me and then and beta was like man you
really gotta try this leap thing and i was having some issues with kepler like wanting to set my phone
on fire so i was like cool i'll check it out and after i tried it i immediately like put all of my
wallets into it and now like it's i love it like it works so good and it's got like their whole dash
ui setup like it they've done a really nice thing with leap board and everything so i definitely i'm
a convert for sure but stations were at you know have any of you guys tried the wallet called frontier
no is that an osmosis thing uh no it it covers like i think 60 change chains like eve everything
from eve to juno okay so like a trust wallet interesting i have not messed with it the next
one i want to play with is sonar just because i really like what kuji builds so that that'll
probably be the next one on my list to play around with finn would you use a wallet if the casino was
implemented implemented okay why can i speak implemented inside of the wallet
oh that's a good question yes and no i would and then i'd be like this is too dangerous for me and
then i would stop but i have heard cosmos station does that but i just never like i said i don't like
putting my seed phrases in too many things so no no like like i think i i don't think i made myself
clear so a wallet a mobile wallet just like leap right where the casino the rack casino for example
is implemented inside as a d-app inside of the wallet well yeah bruce have you been drinking today
pay attention i said i use leap now so if it's in leap yes obviously i'll be using it okay i don't
drink by the way i just eat food never hey the first step is admitting that you have a problem so
let's let's cross that threshold and i do have a problem we can do i do have a problem i am the cfo of
terror spaces and there's no money 99 problems being a cfo ain't one oh lord
so that's it challenge thank you oh sorry it's cutting over no i'm just gonna thank my fellow co-hosts
you know always a classic show when bruce is on the mushrooms uh dude you've seen uh a lot of
shit lately in the last few days i mean we're going to be winding out a little bit but uh
you got any comments on all of the uh drama that we've been witnessing over the last week or so
um i
try not to get too involved and there i i like watching dawn's videos and i always find them
entertaining how he tells us to absolutely destroy like button um
definitely entertaining volume dawn's videos and it's it's interesting the stuff that is
being brought to light i i saw um rack fm had put a tweet out within the last 24 hours
and i don't don't know if it's up in the nest
what tweet is he referring to bruce i have no idea
i'm not the one tweeting from my account you guys yeah i don't i just want to make like an
announcement i don't tweet from the rack fm account i don't think bruce does either right
like nope oh shit bruce quits from there all the time you can tell it's bruce
what the fuck you're talking about bruce you know which which one is he talking about from last night
like i don't know it's not me man the last tweet i made from the rack fm account was the one with
your underpants it wasn't that one but basically everyone in here should be following rack fm for
the giggles and the information um now another people who've got rey raspberry is just dropped
into this call um i don't know if he's on the wine just now but rey is uncovering tons of stuff
rey is definitely someone worth following oh he's dropped out he's on the wine no he's here
did you just yeah i can try man i love me some rey
yeah it's brilliant when you're brilliant when you go to talk about someone and they just drop out
the room immediately i don't know maybe he just doesn't like being chilled yeah ray has been doing
some really really crazy good work in the the stuff that he's been uncovering lately and i i don't want
to like blow up his spot or anything i'll let him when he's ready to uh to get it all out there but
yeah he that dude does some really good work like he's a good cat to have in the ecosystem make sure
everybody's staying somewhat honest yeah that that's that's an absolute fair point i mean there's there's
so much stuff is on chain and it's good to have people even though it's it's information is allegedly
available to us it still does require people to sort of decode it for um the normies um so yeah
rey is a good guy to to have about um and yeah just keeping projects individuals honest
that's integrity news for you coming soon finn you see me shilling your uh your nft uh collaboration
the the fin beadle collection huh coming soon you're my favorite shiller because i'm not going to show it
hate shilling myself so i'm glad i have a good team of people here to to back me up when we make
things that are worth killing so in those last two m beto drops probably my two favorite songs i've
ever written so we got two more coming down the pipeline and this mint is going to be awesome
people been waiting for rec clips this first mint four songs the first ep intermixed with rec clips
and art as one massive multi-chain mint oh can't wait can't wait and multi-chain mint so where is
it where is it going to be minting so we're going to copy paste the collection across all the chains
and just let people mint them wherever the fuck they want ideally i the the arc stuff will be ready
but i don't think it'll be ready by then and i want to get this first ep out so uh the next one we'll
try to use an actual cross-chain mentor now i'm kidding we're not going to copy paste it across
all the chains but yeah this uh this collection will be fun well i was about to say though you
could use a mint there if you wanted couldn't you yeah yeah they're up they they had a space
yesterday uh with a bunch of polygon projects that's up on terra spaces if anyone's curious but
yeah mint out they're another one from the terra pre-crash that they they were starting to get kicked
off and i think they did one mint and then that was then the crash happened so yeah they're building
some cool stuff though for sure well i think because i i pretty much can guarantee you you
know you know you're going to sell out straight away if there's only 10 pieces right but like for all
the help and etc etc that they've given like also showed us and uh with them like with your single
etc maybe you know omniflix would be a good bet like to say like okay thank you we're gonna like
release the first one because it's so easy over there finn honestly it's you wouldn't believe
pentimes easier than stargaze is ray raspberry up here or am i tripping yes just just before ray comes
up and talks about something super profound i i just want to chime in on that as well omniflix
it seems such a different sort of ecosystem to stargaze not not to say it is in any way better but it's
just different it seems to attract different um artists and i think it would be a good it would be
a really good fit for for um finn they they you know what about i've been saying this for ages they
complement each other really well in my opinion you're not going to get the like the 10 000k collections
and stuff dropping on on there but you are going to get like people like us trying to do like
podcasters nfks and stuff you know i mean it's it's it's more media focused it's definitely more
media centric and that just speaks to like their past and their history where where they came from
before this like they're media people and you can see that in what they're building and as a fellow
media cat like i appreciate that and i think it is a really cool platform and definitely
on the top three short list i would say of places we're gonna mint stuff
well of course i mean theoretically you know if you wanted to i mean mint there was a great idea
by the way because you've got binance and everything over there right polygon the lot yeah
that would probably go down really well uh but what you've got omniflix stargaze and uh talus right
because you've got a bit of an affinity with tell us yeah oh yeah i put all my photography on talus
and all of this the nfts me and my kiddo make we put those up on talus just because it's super easy
and i'd love tara talus i i don't know if we would do like the evm stuff because we don't really have
communities over there right like we have the rep gang that we're part of but we don't really build
in those communities so i would like to keep it cosmos centric just because that's that's where my love
is uh so yeah it'll it'll be somewhere like that omniflix talus maybe uh maybe even necropolis who
knows only time will tell ray how you doing ray good to have ray up here i'm doing good how many
bottles of wine are we into tonight ray it's it's daytime here i'm in my first cup of coffee
i think i'm in my first bottle of wine yeah well gm surge gm surge do you have anything i didn't want
to break any news or blow up any spots i wanted to leave you to do that since it's your good work but
is there anything you want to bring up uh on this space while we're having a chat or you want to save
save save any info for uh its own space what are you up to man well the the guys in the in the know
know uh what's been going on um we can talk about that revelation i i wanted to start with some
positive news um that should be really exciting for the cosmos so there's a company that's out of
colombia i believe or argentina i think it's colombia called bitso b-i-t-s-o if you're in
if you're south of the united states all the way down to argentina and brazil um argentina for sure
bitso is basically a um it's doing what you wish you could happen in the united states that uh what was
the name of the uh tara project that was that was doing a debit card but basically you can tie your
crypto holdings straight to a debit card and you can pay with bitcoin or uh usdc but they just added
atom natively um which is their first as far as i'm aware is their first offering off of ethereum um
so you'll be able to use if you're in latin america you can use bitso to pay with adam now
at like the gas station or convenience stores or anything so i think that should be huge for the
ecosystem and then if we had an address in one of these countries we could literally register with
bitso and get a card yeah and you can they've got a virtual card that cycles all the time so you can
use it you don't have to use the physical card but my physical card just showed up um i've been
playing around with that uh but they've been fantastic and they pay interest on uh deposits
and you get bitcoin uh cash back for all your purchases oh so you've got a bitso card
yeah i was showing it around to people at cosmoverse in colombia so you can put your money in
uh i think you can do argentinian pesos uh colombian pesos or mexican pesos um sorry
i thought you were in the states no i'm in mexico oh i'm i'm a neighbor to nacho don from terra
you guys have pool parties and stuff together i don't think we get along that well
he is an abrasive fella he's a good cat i think but yeah he uh he has his moments for sure yeah
that's really cool that reminds me of a voyager almost or uh kato i don't know if kato had a card
but i know voyager was going down that route a bit i can't remember the name of the project started with
out right uh out something was it alice outlet outlet outlet oh outlet yeah okay yeah so they
but they're live and it's it's working it's pretty pretty cool you probably won't find any outlet spaces
on terra spaces because i believe they were one of the ones that hit me up and asked to have a couple
spaces removed so i had to submit a removal request form to the boss man and and have those
taken down yeah that's good that they're still around building but since we've got the well
they're not yeah but since we've got the luna crowd here i wanted to say uh we just uncovered
well we uncovered it a while ago so luckily for terra 2 um risk harbor returned about uh 5.6 million
luna it's 5.4 million they'd sold a little bit but we got it back due to some crafty negotiations from
tfm um that was community pool money that was sent to them i've been drinking we'll take the credit
but yeah yeah tfl yeah yeah tfl when i say tfm sorry um yeah but uh back on terra classic so if you
wonder why terra classic had such a hell of a time with any momentum on the token it's because
there are projects that were dumping tokens uh out of their contracts and and uh we've put the
information up we haven't got a response yet from risk harbor um but they rugged uh well we won't
call it rugged right because it's a recorded space but they they've off-chain 200 million 200 million
ustc and uh at a value of about seven million us dollars worth last july and august and sold that
or it disappeared on binance and never came back as far as i can tell
all on top of what they gave back this was before they gave back this was okay this was last year
okay and for people that don't know real quick can you just a quick overview real couple sentences on
what risk harbor was or is so risk harbor was was supposed to be the uh insurance uh risk protocol
for terra classic for ust if there was a ust dpeg risk harbor by uh underwriting the uh ust token would
pay out for people who put in deposits into risk harbor basically buying insurance against the ust dpeg
right and you used anchor back then during the the uh pre dpeg there was a little button that said
insurance or i forget what it said actually but it was something like insurance and if you hit that
that's where it would take you and you could insure your your ust holdings in anchor
yep and so this the so that was underwritten by 1 billion ust when it was one to one to one dollar one ust
um from community pool money on terra classic and uh that was uh community pool money that was the
drama with lee jimmy and chauncey and and the ozone project because basically ozone was the insurance
program that was started by terra tfl and then risk harbor was a third party that took over that insurance
program um and was backed by the community pool funds and at some point in the spring i think it was
march or april uh there was a request to top up the insurance pool to a special contract uh that was
supposed to be managed by this multi-sig and one of the things that happened when that contract was
instantiated was when it was put on chain live by risk harbor is they added an access permission for
themselves so even though the administrator of the contract was the multi-sig there was also a special
permission uh granted to risk harbor's wallet and then in july they started doing withdrawals of um
i think it was like seventeen thousand dollars worth first and then seventy five thousand dollars
and then after those two went through a week or two later they started doing two million dollars
worth of ustc withdrawals and sending those off to binance
so they've just made an announcement saying hey we've returned the community pool money on terra 2
which they had taken control of uh and uh they'll be sending out an announcement that they're leaving
the ecosystem of terra and uh there's no mention of this 200 million ustc from the community pool that was
that was disappeared um or what happened to that at all and so can you real quick go into what you
noticed while you were poking around in there there was like some odd transactions and whatnot happening
can you go into that real quick yeah so we talked about this a little bit um because so this came to light
uh that they had started on terra 2 in march or july or june or march sorry march or april of this year
they'd done a couple of hundred thousand dollar or a hundred thousand luna transactions where they
withdrew them off chain to binance as well and that got called up by the community and they said oh
we're doing a new stable coin pool don't worry about it and we so some of us started digging into
that and found that it didn't make any sense like what was going on there was no demand there's
nobody using risk harbor and when we started looking back at those transactions of their previous
contracts on terra classic we found that somebody set up spam bots to just hammer those addresses to
basically i mean every 30 seconds the old contract addresses for risk harbor on terra classic are getting
spammed with uh transactions basically burying uh the behavior that they did on terra classic and it seems
really odd that that coincides those bots appearing coincide with them getting caught
uh sending transactions off chain this spring so it isn't like this transaction
obfuscation of these bots started attacking them last year they literally started attacking these contracts
since people started snooping around what risk harbor was doing
and that's that's not just like oh here's like some happenstance that was like let's try to and i
obviously nobody knows the intent but it seems like that's like let's try to just flood this with
transactions so that it's hard to like make those connections yeah because if you've ever gone and
tried to look back on old transactions in mint scan or terra finder or anything there's no way to just say
take me back and show me you know period xyz unless you're looking right so there there were thousands of
pages worth of transactions now that are all just garbage that you'd have to sift through but we were
luckily able to use the api uh on terra to be able to go back and find the original transactions and
then could see the the activity so something is up i i doubt we're going to get an answer on that
something else has come out in the last week too so i did a lot of digging into the risk harbor team
and i'm comfortable on saying this unless they want to somehow refute this but i think i have enough
evidence now um these guys were basically interns most of them are between the ages of maybe 19 and 23
yet they were charged and responsible for a billion dollars um you know they didn't have access to that
billion but they were given access to 200 million dollars uh all of their work experience uh except for
drew working with another coin that was a bitcoin fork all of their work experience that i can prove
seems to be three month internships maybe a little bit longer but no actual employment so they listed
they worked for coinbase all of their coinbase work seems to be uh intern work for like three months
uh they listed one guy listed he worked for the nsa uh that was an internship that he was doing while
he was working at risk harbor and also while he was in college most of these guys are one of these guys
is still graduating college most of them graduated college in 2021 or 2022 so i don't see their like
i don't understand how these guys got you know access to all these funds because they definitely
don't have any work experience that i could tell uh or any projects they worked on before this one guy
um who was the head of research i'd love to hear his side of the story his name was max um he was head
of research and he resigned to go into a advisor role in february of this year and started working for rook
dow and if you where these connections start to come into play is if you look at what just happened with
rook dow they were subject of a takeover and sellout where the team tried to liquidate the treasury
yeah i just tweeted about it uh it happened about what so two it took ten days two weeks ago or
something yep and these guys are there's a link between risk harbor so you know what that was part
of some dow hostile takeover thing so i'm curious and this is speculation i'm curious as if those funds
didn't get used to start buying up uh dow tokens and liquidating treasuries or something
fucking hell that would be fucking mad dot wouldn't it and so think about though think about what he's
saying this is the group that was there to insure your bags like correct this is the insurance company
this is like that that right there just blows my mind because like if you can't have legit insurance and
and offer that like what the fuck you know like you're supposed to be there protecting and being
there when people need you not dumping fucking bags on them even more like that that to me is just
appalling yeah it's um i i would encourage you you go to i think it's riskharbor.io and then go to the
about page about the team uh a lot of those guys i couldn't find some of those guys i couldn't find any
information on um but if you look at their linkedins there if you look at the profiles they give they
list like coinbase uh uh coinify or coinly or some they list a shopify sorry and a bunch of other
companies as places they've worked a one guy lists the white house which is an internship um but then
if you look at their linkedin it's all internships it's not actual employment like in the sense of like
they were hired as a professional so at the end at the nsca i laughed when you said the nsca
yeah it's a it's really weird like how these guys got cleared and put in they got they raised i think
it was three million dollars from pantera capital and a few other places um so on top of this money they
got three million out of that too i guess
rogues everywhere right rukash grabs everywhere
yeah gotta be safe out there and i mean it's it's huge that we have people like ray and like rebel
like mb sheldon i mean everybody that like comes together to kind of like point this stuff out and
obviously we need more of that and we need people going through transactions like that when
shit seems off instead of just being like uh shrug whatever you know like look into some
shit it's all there you know it's it's all right there it's like two clicks away it's just a matter
of mapping all that shit out which that's where people like ray come in handy they're like like i
always think of that charlie meme where he's like in here and here and over here and then this and
then this and then this ft project and then this and it's like man it's so convoluted and sometimes
i feel like it's that way by design like the more complex we can make this shit the harder it is to
watch people get dumped on you know like some of these tokenomics are are like what the that's a tough
job though where they've had like you know thousands and thousands of spam transactions like
you know what i mean like you gotta go digging through that shit good job you had the api mate
yeah thank you for doing all of this man like not just this but like the solar thing the aqua thing
like you're you're definitely the one of the shining lights we look to when things are down and we need
like somebody to make sense of it all so we appreciate how's how's that aqua dude just still walking around
in broad daylight doesn't give a fuck does he like you kind of get over this man's fucking goal right
the gallia the gallia me oh grandma would people people forget quickly in this space
and we move on to the next thing oh what's new and shiny let's see what's going on over here
well it doesn't help too that loop is in their pocket being like hey this new mint coming soon like
if you look at loops twitter profile like the majority of the wheat retweets the wheat tweets
the majority of the wheat tweets are from aqua stuff water whatever next project is happening
it was really weird i forget i was looking for something the other day and i scrolled through
it and i was like what the fuck is this even still a thing like i guess because tom norwood's getting
10% off the top isn't he 10% uh pushed up to the big guy that's what's going on there
i mean tfm what do you think about all this should do not good is it i i am we yeah we're
hopefully speaking to ray at some stage um i mean we've spoken to ray before i speak to ray a lot on a
sort of personal basis but um there's been discussion of sort of yeah different things that could be built to
make this exploration easier for us all which i think we've got a nice thing so yeah hopefully we
can queue up a conversation with ray at some stage you see why many people don't go and analyze like
i mean ray said he's got the api if plebs kind of get all of it because you kind of get the api for
like minscan right that's what null was kicking off about i think version two though they're going to
do something other i'm going to do a paid version maybe or something you can get it but it's not
it's out of date it's like it's not updated frequently so if people make moves you can't
you won't know they made moves until the moves are already done sometimes stuff is like days old or weeks
old so it just depends there isn't a lot of good indexing going on um i know junos and reese are are
working to change that at least for juno so we can get uh that data more rapidly so there actually
can be some monitoring of behaviors but it does take a lot of processing power to do it i would like
to start seeing uh a lot of this stuff automated um that's why we have computers so that would be
helpful oh dude anyone that's ever had to go back on minscan and try and find like searching for
something you're like oh my life right however than finn what time is it like look lads i've come
out for a bit of a walk finn we're coming up to the time matey give us the order that you always give
us like every week brucey can spin up an unrecorded one on the account if you want
how you got bruce oh yeah there's a uh omni flick space happening right now i think episode 53 if they're
in the studio and then at 10 a.m that will be in three out two hours 40 minutes there is the tara nfts
one year later space with threat gang and a bunch of tara nft projects we got a group chat uh that we
reached out to a bunch of different uh nft projects that were around pre-crash and kind of seeing where
they're at now uh what they're doing where they're building if they're still building obviously the ones
that aren't didn't get back to us but uh it should be a fun chat it's uh wreck gang's always a good
time and we got a lot of uh a lot of fan favorites i think that you'll you'll recognize from uh from
the the tara nft game and then uh that's about all i got on my schedule i've been trying to keep it light
this week because my mom's here and she's leaving today so i'll get my my room back and everything but
yeah and then tomorrow caliber capital doing something at uh 8 a.m pacific time caliber
capital they've been doing some stuff that's mr mohawk and the skeleton punks and he's with lyondale
and uh they do a lot of a lot of spaces and shit like that so yeah it'd be a fun rest of the week
top top shilling matey top top shilling eh yeah top top shilling sir thanks very much for the invite
guys it's been a pleasure talking a little bit about what tfm is up to that'll be everyone's homework
over the weekend if you want to try something out on tfm maybe an ibc transfer or maybe purchase an nft
to let us know how you get on oh i got one better for you here's your homework try to break something
on tfm let's do some bug hunts there we go there we go tfm.com thank you rebel always a pleasure
ray thank you bruce and the show please i gotta say thanks though to to rack too for giving us a
platform to get this information out there that's been super helpful um to get people looking at
stuff and talking always a pleasure never a chore right ray i want you all to know that hey we always
say arbitrate is the truth right um ray i when i when i see your pfp or when i see you in a space
i literally feel like um and don't get a big head but i feel like there's this knight in shining army
armor like just kind of like sitting there and he's like on a horse and he's got that big thing
the javelin stick and he's about to fucking fuck somebody up and and i get all like
come on i'm not gonna take that away from jacob
no that's that's white knight she said shining knight if there's a difference
no well i would like to personally thank uh rebel uh been speaking to him for a while and more
importantly i've been kind of just sitting watching going jesus these guys and because you know why
like you've got people like ambido on that right like a lot quite a few people who just constantly
going on about your products like every day i'm hearing like tfm this tfm that you know so yeah dude
really good to have you on the show and you know how we roll a bit of a different style you know what i
mean we bounce and you've been a great guest mate yeah great accompaniment thanks for your time guys
and hopefully next time i'm in thailand we will actually meet up maybe you can take me to see
the real wheelchair mafia yes we there i've got to take you for some proper food though mate i bet
you've only had pleb thai food man i bet you haven't had the real stuff man robo knows where the real
shit's hit you've got to go dark bro sounds good stuff man oh this trolley's just rolled down the
bank and in this fella's car oh that's not good but now there's always something gone on who type
this supermarket you know woman fell off her bike the other day she was filling her bike up with loads
the shit and she fell off when i was like talking about these on the spares or something so so let's
end it here robo yes my friend let's go i need to go in the shop it's been a wonderful show guys
take care love yous all and we'll speak soon yeah be let it be barnes brucey
thank you everybody for coming and thank you to all the listeners man this wouldn't be possible
without any of you guys love you all this chads in this room man absolute chads absolutely thank you
